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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Welcome, very good morning, thank you for taking my call.
Great concrete highway twenty five years old, located in central Georgia.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We have.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What appear to be a pre quarter inch wide exterior
plywood expansion joints between the you know, let's segment the
slabs probably the scabs are probably I don't know, every
fifteen feet. My question today, I'm the extraior plywood is
heavily season and I'm debating on perhaps mixing a fifty
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to fifty mix of turpentine and linseed oil. I'm gently
painting it. Maybe the water seal it. And I just
saw another product, another idea of just completely removing that
three quarter inch wide plywood, installing what appears to be
a vinyl expansion joint, if you will, maybe available and
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different with And we're, like I said, we're at about
three quarters and I believe the depth of that three
quarter inch wide is about an inch and a half
and it's tapped what appears to be from the video
is tapped into the expansion joint once the or the
joint once the plywood is removed. Your suggestions spots about
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trying to rehabilitate that three quarter inch wide plywood that's
in there, versus removing it and replacing it with this
vinyl type of expansion joint.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, Well, number one, I guess is what is going
on with that wood? In that expansion joint. Is it
rotting or why are we taking it out?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, that's good question. It's weathered very heavily. The driveway's
twenty five years old, and you know, mother nature has
gotten to it and it has more of a whitish
grayish appearance now. And if I look at it, looks
like maybe the layers are starting to slightly deenaminate and
open up. And I'm thinking is probably could be getting
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some water in chusion. I don't know that for sure,
you know, I don't want to trace the symptom, but
I'm thinking I could either seal ad and I've used
a turpentine linseed oil fifty fifty mixed successfully, and I
don't know if it'd be worth the effort, you know,
to go ahead and try it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, my quick answer is no, that I don't think
it's broken, so let's not fix it, but approaches. Yeah,
And I'm not real familiar with that vinyl. It sounds
like it's more of a like almost like a molding
to keep moisture from out of there, kind of like.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You call it that. It has a hollow core and
you look at it kind of trap is oidal shape.
It has kind of a hollow core with little fingers
on either side of purely you know, once you tap
it in grip.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, so and so I don't know much about
that to say, yeah, that's a real good answer or not.
I would say this, let's just speed up ten years. Okay,
let's say you're calling me ten years from now, and
that you tell me that wood is kind of really rotten,
it's really soft, and how do I seal that joint?
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What I would tell you to do is to just
get you know, a wood chisel or a scraper or something,
and let's just peel that wood down to maybe three
ace of an inch below the surface. Okay, that's all.
We go to take the whole thing out, unless we
have to. If we have to take the whole thing out,
put a sand in there or a backer rod or something.
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But we want to scrape that down to three ace
of an inch from the surface. And then if you
want to put your uh, you know, tongue oil or
something like that to seal it on top of that,
that's fine. There's also a product called liquid wood where
you can pour it. It's like a tongue oil. It just
hardens that up. Or a linseil whatever. So we're sealing
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that up, but we're scratch scratching it down to the
bottom to about three ace of an inch below the surface.
Then I would get a calking tube with is a
self leveling concrete urethane calking and quickly makes one, sick
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makes one. There's a couple of brands out there, and
you need a heavy duty colcking gun, just not the
dollar ninety nine variety. And you put this cocking tube
in there, and you already have a base now, so
you're not going to waste this, you know, expensive concrete euthane,
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because you got that wood there and it's hardened, and
you would just run a bead right over the top
of that. It will cling to both sides of the
different slabs, and it has the best adhesion and the
best flexibility if there's movement. Yeah, the manufacturer's quick crete
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makes one, and I think it's sitka s I t
k A. Yeah, it's a eurethane. Doesn't really say it
in the name. The quick crete one calls it, uh
self leveling concrete crack filler, euthane crack filler. But they're
both eurothanes, and they're both you know, grand color and
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there there. I mean, when it comes to crack fillers,
that's that's the that's top shelf, that's got the best.
That's flexibility.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I've done it right where the garage, the concrete garage
floor and the concrete dryway transition that gap have some
issues there, and I did. I packed in some backer
rod about a half inchievement, but about a quarter inch
of that. It's called flab product. That seemed to work
out fairly well. You know, at the it was below
the level of quarter engine. Then you know a little
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little uh TLC with a uh rubber glove and it
it came out looking pretty good, right, but right, you
know it's awful expensive. Yeah, yeah, you know, and you start, yeah,
well that's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Probably what I would use. I think you're going to
get more out of that than that vinyl insert you're
talking about. Okay, things that worry me about the vinyl
insert is how stable that be if that crack keeps,
if that slab shifts a little bit and gets wider
point and also how what is the quality of that
vinyl in order to stand up to the sun.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Good points, Because like as you mentioned, like a decade
or two down the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Road right right right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, well I appreciate that. What kind of as far
as peeling at I'm just trying to think I need
a tool about a you know, three happananche. Why to
scarf that at the top of that plywood expansion joint?
You got a suggestion there. I'm just trying to think,
like a wood shows it would be pretty tedious. Would
there would be like a curved tool I could use
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to the kind of scarves that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I'm thinking almost like a motorized one. I mean
quite honestly, we could probably use a circular salt masonry
blade or wood blade with just real fine teeth and
just chew it up. That are a multi purpose tool
with a wheel, or even a drema with a grinding
wheel on the front of it. I think those who
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do the best.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I could lay down, I like the idea with
a stricter sun and just get it to use a
two by four for a guy and come across right
and move over. Yeah, good point, good points, and that
would open up some fresh material then that I could
apply that quick creed sick of product. And again that's
our earthing.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Self loveling concrete crack filler, even though it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
A lovely yeah yeah, self leveling. All good. Tell you what,
I always enjoy visiting Cincinnati a ton of blue ash.
But we'll leave that for another conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Sounds good. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I appreciate your time today and thank you very much
for your insight and enjoy the program.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Thank you, sir, appreciate it. All right, we'll take a
break and Donald, you'll be up first. If you'd like
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Speaker 7 (12:42):
To prevent ice dams on your roof? Have you ever
heard of building a second roof over an existing roof?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What do you mean by building a second roof over?
I mean, is it the whole roof? You're just putting
another layer on, and.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Yes, another layer?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Is it single? Or are you putting in wood and everything?
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Before you put the before you put you, before you
sheet the roof, you build a second roof with two
by fours and then you birdhold the two by fours
so that air will pass through the second roof.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Uh huh? And what would that accomplish? I have not
heard of that, So what would that accomplish?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Well, what that does is it allows the air to
pass through the two layers of roofing and it prevents
ice dams that will build up and leak into your
into the home.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You've done that?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Heard of it? I have done it. I've done it
in an area where there's a tremendous amount of snow
and ice build up and it works like a champ.
And I heard of it from builders up in Alaska.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's why maybe that's why I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I was wondering if you had heard of it, and
that's you know whether or not it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, so you know when I think of ice damps.
To answer your question, no, I have not heard of it.
And if it's used up in Alaska in different areas,
you know they're very well something Uh, there may be
something there, but where where I'm living and just in
the Midwest one of the things that causes in this.
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I'm using this as just kind of another example of
why I'm a little skeptical. The reason ice dam's form
is because the heat from the house warms the underbelly
of the roof, which makes the snow melt, and then
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when it gets over the edges of the house the overhangs,
it freezes as there is no house air warming that
and a dam forms. So the snow at the top
parts of the roof are melting. That water is trickling
down the underbelly of the snow on the roof, and
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it hits the area over the house, the softet area,
and freezes. So if we had two layers and it
was bird holding, I guess you're talking about opening that
first error area. Wouldn't we have the same thing?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Well you would, or would you?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
The space between the two layers of roof would be cold, Yeah,
I wouldn't. It wouldn't have that heat from the house, right. So,
I've seen a lot of I think a lot of
people use wires heat wires to prevent that. I stam
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and I'm wondering if if a cold roof would be
a better solution.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, or more insulation in the attic.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Yeah, so you could do that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean, basically, that's how we solve it here,
maybe in Alaska when you're where you're talking. Again, I
don't know anything about it. But the secret is to
keep the roof as cool as you can. So by insulating,
you reduce the heat that's escaping from the house to
warm up the area that is under the house. And
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then the wires that you put on are actually put
on the gutter cables, and the roof cables are put
in on the overhang, not on the whole roof, but
on the overhang. Yeah, that last foot or that last
two feet some cases, the last two and a half feet,
so that when the snowpack is melting, it doesn't refreeze
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at the overhang. It keeps flowing. But if we can
keep it, you know, eventually it's going to melt us
from sun radiant energy. But I don't know, I don't
know if that's a solution. I'm not familiar with it.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I don't know then that one is better than the other.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, are you up in the mountains in California
or yes, yeah, very well so yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Do you see it practiced up in the mountains of California.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
No, that's why I'm called Okay, I've never seen it here.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Yeah, I'm thinking that the people up in Alaska might have.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, they may, they may. I'm just again, I'm not
familiar with it either. When I get questions on you know,
ice melting, ice dams, I usually my answer is it's
really a sign that you need more insulation in your attic.
It also could be a sign just the angle the
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sun and the house and all that, but usually it's
the heat of the house escaping to the attic, warming
the underbelly of the roof causing the melt, and you
don't have gutter cables on the overhang, and then it
backs up and you don't have ice guard underneath it,
and water gets in your house. So there'd be a
couple of things you'd need. You'd need increase the insulation,
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and then if that didn't work, the gutter cables, and
certainly next time you have a roof replaced. UH is
code in some areas of putting ice guard beneath that
shingles for the first four feet. I hope that helps
a little bit. And Fritz, you sit tight. We'll get
you on the other side of the break if you'd
like to join us too. So it's eight hundred eighty
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All right to work we go thirty three minutes after
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Let's go to Fritz. Fritz, Welcome, Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
How are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Doing fine? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm gonna acquire an old rolltop desk. I've used some.
I've got to mull and smell to it. I've taken
the back cover off. I've had some uh wait forget
indoor mole cleaner. I sprayed dad on are a week
or so ago and then it's still weeks so that
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mold smell. And then I price for that new mold
disinffective there this past week and it didn't even face it.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
H And you think it's mold or is it? I
know some furniture will just give you that just that
old smell.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, it smells old, smell, really old, I said. I
got back almost setting out on the front porch and
getting air to it and everything. But yeah, the distinct
mold smell.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, there's there's a you know, activated charcoal you could
put in the drawers and things that might be an
option for you. Leaving it out on the porch probably
not a great option, only because I looked at the
immunity level this morning. It was like eighty six percent
where I met just down the road from you, So
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it was a lot of moisture out there in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Has a smell moan inside the.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
House, how about it? Do you have a garage. I've
got a garage, maybe a garage and a box fan
and crack the door a little bit, so we can
pull air in and out. That might be helpful. There's
also that odor exit eliminator, and they also have one
called moms m o MS. It oxidizes mold spores. That
(24:21):
might be an option also. I'm just not trying to
get you to go out and buy a bunch of stuff,
but those might be a couple of good options. Can
you see the mold You said you spread it with
a red nose, Well you can see nothing, Okay, Yeah,
so maybe we just concentrate on the smells. The odor
(24:44):
exit eliminator or the Magic. I don't know which one
I would use. I would I'd have to read them again.
They make about six different products. You can also call them.
That might even be a better idea, because Devil take
your call. She's the owner of outer Exit and it's
eight seven seven and it's odor and then the letter
(25:08):
X and then it so it's eight seven seven oder
xit dot com, not the dot com that's their websites,
Odo exit dot com and give them a call. So
it could be the Magic that it'd work. It could
be the eliminator, it could be the one called MOMS.
I feel very very confident one of them will take
(25:31):
care of it. Which one I'm not so sure until
I either get on their website and read them all
or just call deb all right, all right for it? Much,
all right, very good, thanks, take care of bye bye. Yeah.
A lot of that old furniture, when stored in a basement,
I can identify that smell. And I used to take
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this call literally, you know, when the show started almost
forty years ago, and people would always call activated charcoal,
this pet octivated chuck on the drawers. It'll take care
of it. And I've never really ran into that problem.
I don't have it. I have a old chest and
things in my house. I've just never had the issue.
(26:12):
But once they go into storage, it does seem to
be an issue. All right, let's go Steve, Steve, welcome.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Oh hi there, I'm up in Massachusetts. Yes, sir, we
had a pretty major job. We've been out of the
house for about ten months, and we before we had
an old tape and the roof was acting up. So
we took the whole top of the house off and
put on a full second floor in a wild attic,
and we did we did the closed cell insulation in
(26:41):
the attic. We did two bikens huh, and closed cell
on the second floor. So on the first floor we
the you maybe it'll relate to this if you're older.
We took off the ceiling and the sheet rock is
just so heavy it's unbelievable. But on the first floor
they rowed holes eventually in a separate time and sprayed
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in that oh it's the word for it, that that
cellulose insulation into the walls, and the first lay didn't.
We didn't take the plaster down off the walls, but
it's very, very thick. And in the basement they put
in which they was supposed to be closed cell, but
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I think they sprayed an open cell along the top
of the foundation between the floor joy Star. Okay, So
my question is, after all this, I'm kind of I'm
not concerned, but I know the the attic for the
closed cell, you don't have to worry about water vapor
going in and out. But when they spray that stuff
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into an open cavity. We've never had really any mold
in the house, and we actually, believe it or not,
we had no insulation whatsoever built in the thirties, none,
and so when the wind blew the drapes downstairs would
actually move. We probably put up storm windows a few
years ago. But my question is about the mold. I
(28:09):
mean is do you have to worry about like the
open cell and the basement that's that top one foot
and then they sprayed in that like paper, shredded paper.
To worry about the mold builds.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So here's what I would do if it were in
a basement. If it's in a basement and it's below grade,
I would use open cell because they don't want to
trap that water either in the wall or or anything
like that. I wanted to come into the house and
I want to control it. I have to use it.
(28:45):
Do you midifire? But if it's above grade and it
sounds like your joist pockets is what you're talking about,
that should be close. That should be close cell phone.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, because you get more water vapor transfer below grade,
and you don't want that to accumulate in the wall.
You want to just bring it in and manage it
from there. So up top you just have the humidity
from outside. So close close self. Fine, you know, just
(29:18):
let's just block it and be done with it. We're
not trapping it. There's not enough of it. It's not
below Yeah, I don't think it's going to kill you,
to be honest with you, especially since its foam. But
if it were me, I would say it should be
close cell phone.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
What about the up seas when they blew in that cellulose,
I guess that's the word for it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So, so the cellulose was the first floor that you
were talking about where they took through the plaster and
pump that in and there was no uh, there was
no no vapor barrier there right.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
As far as we know, nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but the plaster, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
There's not much I can do, though.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Really, there's not much you can do. The only thing
you could have done there, and quite honestly, it would
have performed better, but it may not even have been
available when when you did that. A close cell foam
in those walls would have been great.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
He was kind of We took some of the walls
down in spots to put the LBL beams in and stuff,
but he was afraid to put the cell phone in
where the plaster was because something about a fire has it.
I mean, I can see his point, but he said,
there's some sort of a chemical reaction in the closed
cell that could actually ignite itself.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe on that particular brand, I don't know, but I
know where I met for plaster walls or dry wall
or blueboard. Even you would use closed cell phoam above
grade and put a vapor barrier. But it doesn't matter.
You did you know you got the cellulos in there.
It's in there, and you know you're not gonna do
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anything about it. Usually what they would do, uh back
when they were doing new construction with cellulose, they would
put the cellulose in and they would wrap it with
a viscueen and that would be your vacant lay.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
A little while ago, with the two by fours on
the roof, there's videos with it. They're trying to push
this rock wall mats where you put a double roof
and you put the mat in between, then you put more.
But I think it's I looked, I you know, I
was with the YouTube. It's wonderful. You can you can
(31:39):
figure anything out, But the cost to do that. They're
pushing that on the internet, but I think it's to
do that double layer. But this would be insulating in
between the two roofs well, very expensive.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I'll tell you one of the other trends. Yeah, it
would be. And there's also things today. I spent some
time talking about, uh, composite decking that has a cool
finish on it or you know, it doesn't get real
hot and burn your feet, And that same technology is
being used in metal roofing because metal roofing is very,
(32:13):
very energy efficient and it stays cool, so it's you know,
it's bouncing that solar energy off, if you will. And
now they're putting it even on shingled roofs. So I
don't know if that would be the best way to
go in terms of expense. It seems to me no.
I'd rather have the metal roof and which is going
(32:34):
to last much longer and have that same solar benefit.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
For mine has the older houses in Vermont has a
lot of steel roofs some years ago for some reason,
so much work up there. But Massa, I'm not going
to get in politics, but Massachusetts is trying to a
new construction. They're giving people a hard time on gas
heating systems. Natural gas. All right, it's kind of gone
(32:59):
to fire up here. We have our sixty in the roof.
I get it. To keep them happy. They don't complaining
from our sixty is what we ended up with.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
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how are you doing? Wonderful? Thanks, I am.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I'll make this as fast as I can because there's
not much time. Uh. There's the plastic line going from
an april air unit, which I don't even know what
the hell that is, but going from the april air
unit and it goes down to PVC that then, of course,
you know, runs out of the house. But the PDC
(36:44):
is clicking like a sieve. You know, it goes across
the water or the floor into the drain and uh,
you know, I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, so this is directly coming out of the april
air box.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Yeah, yes, yes, the april airbox, it goes it's not PVC,
but it's you know, plastic line and the water seeds
to be going into that, and then close to the
floor it's PVC. And when it gets down to the PDC,
I don't know what you call it, but there's like
a little piece that goes down toward the floor. I
(37:23):
guess just allows the water to accumulate a little.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Bit, right, right, So first of all, there should not
be well, so is it leaking right now? Is it
the problem currently?
Speaker 9 (37:36):
As a matter of fact, you know, I put a
fan down there in a week and then it won't
a week and then it won't.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So so to answer that question, I'm I'm a little confused.
It's very common to have that leak this time of
year because what it's doing is when the air conditioning
is running, it's taken the humidity out and it goes
to that PVC pipe and then goes to a floor
(38:01):
drain or stationary tub. And if you look at that,
when it comes out and the pipe goes down, there's
like a tee and that tea is open at the
top because it's probably either not sloped properly or it's
got some slime in there, which is causing that to
back up, and then it goes in the pan and
(38:24):
it leaks around the base of the air handler.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Gotcha, gotcha, so.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Good to.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
I don't know if you can do this, but you know,
snake that mind.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Sure you can snake that line. You can put some
bleach down there. There's even a capsule that you can
drop down there that cleans those lines out. In fact,
I was just telling Danny that's a real problem for
people that put those energy efficient units up in attics,
because I guess it doesn't go on the basement floor,
right it comes to your s So even you might
(38:57):
try blache bleach or you know, trying to get that thing.
I've already even run a wire up at the base
and lifted that plastic a little bit and just kind
of scraped out whatever was holding it in and you know,
start free flowing right away. So I've had that problem too.
And again you can always put a little bleach down
(39:18):
that opening of that one.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Tee.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The reason I said doesn't make much sense is if
that pipe is a little bit different. In other words,
it's not coming out of the air handler. It's just
a standalone pipe and that rubberized hose from the april
air unit, which is a humidifier. Okay, it could be
it could be clogged and just discharging the water directly.
(39:44):
In other words, you didn't shut off the humidifier. There's
a valve up in the joist that is a water
supply that goes into the april air and then there's
a discharge pipe that's coming out, and that could still
be running if if if it's not the air conditioner condensation,
and I can't tell you which it is without seeing it,
(40:07):
you know.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
And even that april air unit that strikes me as
some kind of old device I remember having added my
parents' house.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
M m.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
There's still something that you still use.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, they still use them in the winter time, especially
in areas, you know, winter climates where it's real dry.
So you would be turning that water valve off, you know,
in the springtime, and turning it back on in November.
So it may just be on and that may be
the problem. May have nothing to do with condensation.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, well I'll try. You'd mentioned some kind of
a substance as you put down in that pipe to
dissolve it a little bit, right, what was that.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't know what the name of it is. It's
a it's a little capsule that you mix with water
and you pour it down there. It's some sort of
disinfect and it's made for air conditioner discharge by but
I can't think of that.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
Uh, well, that help the people that they're not around here,
but corking, you know somebody like that? Would they?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah? But really, at first, if you've got a long
piece of wire, I'd do it from the bottom and
see if you scrape something out of there, and then
just put some bleach down there. All right, thank you much,
and let's grab Paul. Paul welcome. Hey Gary, how are
you doing fine? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
One second, Gary, get just switched over here.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yep, I'm here.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
Okay, I'm having trouble hearing you, but I I am.
I have a new house that is in the trouble
with the.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Oh we lost you now, Paul. I'm sorry. I don't
know what your question was. I know your last question
was basement humidity and not sure what was going on
on that call, but yeah, I'm not either. We had
him when he switches over, it was fine. Yeah, but
for everybody's information, I will tell you basement humidity this
(42:16):
time of year is critically important, and watch it. If
you open your windows and it's you know, a nice day,
say eighty degrees, but if it's eighty degrees, then you
got ninety percent humidity out there, Keep the windows closed,
keep running the air conditioner. Your basement humidity should be
this time of year fifty five or below. Please don't panic.
(42:39):
If it's fifty six or fifty seven, don't go over sixty.
And if you have a nice day, that's fine, open
up the windows. But I tell people all the time,
be careful those days where it's you know, goes down
to seventy five, you have a cold front and it's
misty and cloudy or something like that, your outdoor humidity
is going to be running probably ninety percent, and you're
(43:00):
gonna fill your house up with all that water vapor.
You're gonna close that house up, and you're gonna have
a warm, humid house until that air conditioner removes all
that moisture. So you know the temperature. Yeah, I know,
when open my windows too, it's pretty simple, but pay
attention to what the humidity outdoors is because you're gonna
bring that moisture indoors, and you'll eventually have to get
(43:22):
that back outdoors. All right, see all the fun things
we learn, well, for sure, a fun weekend, a busy weekend.
If you missed our discussion with the folks from Moisture Shield.
The decking that is a cool decking. Uh huh, you
might want to check. It's a composite decking, but it's
cool to the touch. Sun isn't gonna heat that up
(43:44):
where you can't walk on it. Check it out. It's
on the iHeart app or wherever podcasts are, and uh,
there's a probably a twenty minute podcast there. I'll tell
you all about that particular decking. Danny boy, thank you
very much. A great weekend, Good Lord Willing. We'll both
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Welcome, very good morning, thank you for taking my call.
Great concrete highway twenty five years old, located in central Georgia.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We have.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What appear to be a pre quarter inch wide exterior
plywood expansion joints between the you know, let's segment the
slabs probably the scabs are probably I don't know, every
fifteen feet. My question today, I'm the extraior plywood is
heavily season and I'm debating on perhaps mixing a fifty
(02:04):
to fifty mix of turpentine and linseed oil. I'm gently
painting it. Maybe the water seal it. And I just
saw another product, another idea of just completely removing that
three quarter inch wide plywood, installing what appears to be
a vinyl expansion joint, if you will, maybe available and
(02:28):
different with And we're, like I said, we're at about
three quarters and I believe the depth of that three
quarter inch wide is about an inch and a half
and it's tapped what appears to be from the video
is tapped into the expansion joint once the or the
joint once the plywood is removed. Your suggestions spots about
(02:49):
trying to rehabilitate that three quarter inch wide plywood that's
in there, versus removing it and replacing it with this
vinyl type of expansion joint.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, Well, number one, I guess is what is going
on with that wood? In that expansion joint. Is it
rotting or why are we taking it out?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, that's good question. It's weathered very heavily. The driveway's
twenty five years old, and you know, mother nature has
gotten to it and it has more of a whitish
grayish appearance now. And if I look at it, looks
like maybe the layers are starting to slightly deenaminate and
open up. And I'm thinking is probably could be getting
(03:30):
some water in chusion. I don't know that for sure,
you know, I don't want to trace the symptom, but
I'm thinking I could either seal ad and I've used
a turpentine linseed oil fifty fifty mixed successfully, and I
don't know if it'd be worth the effort, you know,
to go ahead and try it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, my quick answer is no, that I don't think
it's broken, so let's not fix it, but approaches. Yeah,
And I'm not real familiar with that vinyl. It sounds
like it's more of a like almost like a molding
to keep moisture from out of there, kind of like.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You call it that. It has a hollow core and
you look at it kind of trap is oidal shape.
It has kind of a hollow core with little fingers
on either side of purely you know, once you tap
it in grip.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, so and so I don't know much about
that to say, yeah, that's a real good answer or not.
I would say this, let's just speed up ten years. Okay,
let's say you're calling me ten years from now, and
that you tell me that wood is kind of really rotten,
it's really soft, and how do I seal that joint?
(04:42):
What I would tell you to do is to just
get you know, a wood chisel or a scraper or something,
and let's just peel that wood down to maybe three
ace of an inch below the surface. Okay, that's all.
We go to take the whole thing out, unless we
have to. If we have to take the whole thing out,
put a sand in there or a backer rod or something.
(05:03):
But we want to scrape that down to three ace
of an inch from the surface. And then if you
want to put your uh, you know, tongue oil or
something like that to seal it on top of that,
that's fine. There's also a product called liquid wood where
you can pour it. It's like a tongue oil. It just
hardens that up. Or a linseil whatever. So we're sealing
(05:26):
that up, but we're scratch scratching it down to the
bottom to about three ace of an inch below the surface.
Then I would get a calking tube with is a
self leveling concrete urethane calking and quickly makes one, sick
(05:46):
makes one. There's a couple of brands out there, and
you need a heavy duty colcking gun, just not the
dollar ninety nine variety. And you put this cocking tube
in there, and you already have a base now, so
you're not going to waste this, you know, expensive concrete euthane,
(06:07):
because you got that wood there and it's hardened, and
you would just run a bead right over the top
of that. It will cling to both sides of the
different slabs, and it has the best adhesion and the
best flexibility if there's movement. Yeah, the manufacturer's quick crete
(06:30):
makes one, and I think it's sitka s I t
k A. Yeah, it's a eurethane. Doesn't really say it
in the name. The quick crete one calls it, uh
self leveling concrete crack filler, euthane crack filler. But they're
both eurothanes, and they're both you know, grand color and
(06:54):
there there. I mean, when it comes to crack fillers,
that's that's the that's top shelf, that's got the best.
That's flexibility.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I've done it right where the garage, the concrete garage
floor and the concrete dryway transition that gap have some
issues there, and I did. I packed in some backer
rod about a half inchievement, but about a quarter inch
of that. It's called flab product. That seemed to work
out fairly well. You know, at the it was below
the level of quarter engine. Then you know a little
(07:25):
little uh TLC with a uh rubber glove and it
it came out looking pretty good, right, but right, you
know it's awful expensive. Yeah, yeah, you know, and you start, yeah,
well that's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Probably what I would use. I think you're going to
get more out of that than that vinyl insert you're
talking about. Okay, things that worry me about the vinyl
insert is how stable that be if that crack keeps,
if that slab shifts a little bit and gets wider
point and also how what is the quality of that
vinyl in order to stand up to the sun.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Good points, Because like as you mentioned, like a decade
or two down the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Road right right right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, well I appreciate that. What kind of as far
as peeling at I'm just trying to think I need
a tool about a you know, three happananche. Why to
scarf that at the top of that plywood expansion joint?
You got a suggestion there. I'm just trying to think,
like a wood shows it would be pretty tedious. Would
there would be like a curved tool I could use
(08:30):
to the kind of scarves that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I'm thinking almost like a motorized one. I mean
quite honestly, we could probably use a circular salt masonry
blade or wood blade with just real fine teeth and
just chew it up. That are a multi purpose tool
with a wheel, or even a drema with a grinding
wheel on the front of it. I think those who
(08:52):
do the best.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I could lay down, I like the idea with
a stricter sun and just get it to use a
two by four for a guy and come across right
and move over. Yeah, good point, good points, and that
would open up some fresh material then that I could
apply that quick creed sick of product. And again that's
our earthing.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Self loveling concrete crack filler, even though it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
A lovely yeah yeah, self leveling. All good. Tell you what,
I always enjoy visiting Cincinnati a ton of blue ash.
But we'll leave that for another conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Sounds good. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I appreciate your time today and thank you very much
for your insight and enjoy the program.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Thank you, sir, appreciate it. All right, we'll take a
break and Donald, you'll be up first. If you'd like
to join us, well do so. It's eight hundred eight
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Speaker 7 (12:42):
To prevent ice dams on your roof? Have you ever
heard of building a second roof over an existing roof?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What do you mean by building a second roof over?
I mean, is it the whole roof? You're just putting
another layer on, and.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Yes, another layer?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Is it single? Or are you putting in wood and everything?
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Before you put the before you put you, before you
sheet the roof, you build a second roof with two
by fours and then you birdhold the two by fours
so that air will pass through the second roof.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Uh huh? And what would that accomplish? I have not
heard of that, So what would that accomplish?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Well, what that does is it allows the air to
pass through the two layers of roofing and it prevents
ice dams that will build up and leak into your
into the home.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You've done that?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Heard of it? I have done it. I've done it
in an area where there's a tremendous amount of snow
and ice build up and it works like a champ.
And I heard of it from builders up in Alaska.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's why maybe that's why I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I was wondering if you had heard of it, and
that's you know whether or not it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, so you know when I think of ice damps.
To answer your question, no, I have not heard of it.
And if it's used up in Alaska in different areas,
you know they're very well something Uh, there may be
something there, but where where I'm living and just in
the Midwest one of the things that causes in this.
(14:55):
I'm using this as just kind of another example of
why I'm a little skeptical. The reason ice dam's form
is because the heat from the house warms the underbelly
of the roof, which makes the snow melt, and then
(15:16):
when it gets over the edges of the house the overhangs,
it freezes as there is no house air warming that
and a dam forms. So the snow at the top
parts of the roof are melting. That water is trickling
down the underbelly of the snow on the roof, and
(15:37):
it hits the area over the house, the softet area,
and freezes. So if we had two layers and it
was bird holding, I guess you're talking about opening that
first error area. Wouldn't we have the same thing?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Well you would, or would you?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
The space between the two layers of roof would be cold, Yeah,
I wouldn't. It wouldn't have that heat from the house, right. So,
I've seen a lot of I think a lot of
people use wires heat wires to prevent that. I stam
(16:26):
and I'm wondering if if a cold roof would be
a better solution.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, or more insulation in the attic.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Yeah, so you could do that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean, basically, that's how we solve it here,
maybe in Alaska when you're where you're talking. Again, I
don't know anything about it. But the secret is to
keep the roof as cool as you can. So by insulating,
you reduce the heat that's escaping from the house to
warm up the area that is under the house. And
(17:04):
then the wires that you put on are actually put
on the gutter cables, and the roof cables are put
in on the overhang, not on the whole roof, but
on the overhang. Yeah, that last foot or that last
two feet some cases, the last two and a half feet,
so that when the snowpack is melting, it doesn't refreeze
(17:24):
at the overhang. It keeps flowing. But if we can
keep it, you know, eventually it's going to melt us
from sun radiant energy. But I don't know, I don't
know if that's a solution. I'm not familiar with it.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I don't know then that one is better than the other.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, are you up in the mountains in California
or yes, yeah, very well so yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Do you see it practiced up in the mountains of California.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
No, that's why I'm called Okay, I've never seen it here.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Yeah, I'm thinking that the people up in Alaska might have.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, they may, they may. I'm just again, I'm not
familiar with it either. When I get questions on you know,
ice melting, ice dams, I usually my answer is it's
really a sign that you need more insulation in your attic.
It also could be a sign just the angle the
(18:30):
sun and the house and all that, but usually it's
the heat of the house escaping to the attic, warming
the underbelly of the roof causing the melt, and you
don't have gutter cables on the overhang, and then it
backs up and you don't have ice guard underneath it,
and water gets in your house. So there'd be a
couple of things you'd need. You'd need increase the insulation,
(18:55):
and then if that didn't work, the gutter cables, and
certainly next time you have a roof replaced. UH is
code in some areas of putting ice guard beneath that
shingles for the first four feet. I hope that helps
a little bit. And Fritz, you sit tight. We'll get
you on the other side of the break if you'd
like to join us too. So it's eight hundred eighty
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All right to work we go thirty three minutes after
the top of there. I hope you having a great weekend.
And seriously, if you're in an area where you and
it looks like half the country is real super hot
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little preview, and maybe fall take advantage of that and
(22:32):
get some of those projects completed or at least started.
Let's go to Fritz. Fritz, Welcome, Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
How are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Doing fine? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm gonna acquire an old rolltop desk. I've used some.
I've got to mull and smell to it. I've taken
the back cover off. I've had some uh wait forget
indoor mole cleaner. I sprayed dad on are a week
or so ago and then it's still weeks so that
(23:02):
mold smell. And then I price for that new mold
disinffective there this past week and it didn't even face it.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
H And you think it's mold or is it? I
know some furniture will just give you that just that
old smell.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, it smells old, smell, really old, I said. I
got back almost setting out on the front porch and
getting air to it and everything. But yeah, the distinct
mold smell.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, there's there's a you know, activated charcoal you could
put in the drawers and things that might be an
option for you. Leaving it out on the porch probably
not a great option, only because I looked at the
immunity level this morning. It was like eighty six percent
where I met just down the road from you, So
(23:51):
it was a lot of moisture out there in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Has a smell moan inside the.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
House, how about it? Do you have a garage. I've
got a garage, maybe a garage and a box fan
and crack the door a little bit, so we can
pull air in and out. That might be helpful. There's
also that odor exit eliminator, and they also have one
called moms m o MS. It oxidizes mold spores. That
(24:21):
might be an option also. I'm just not trying to
get you to go out and buy a bunch of stuff,
but those might be a couple of good options. Can
you see the mold You said you spread it with
a red nose, Well you can see nothing, Okay, Yeah,
so maybe we just concentrate on the smells. The odor
(24:44):
exit eliminator or the Magic. I don't know which one
I would use. I would I'd have to read them again.
They make about six different products. You can also call them.
That might even be a better idea, because Devil take
your call. She's the owner of outer Exit and it's
eight seven seven and it's odor and then the letter
(25:08):
X and then it so it's eight seven seven oder
xit dot com, not the dot com that's their websites,
Odo exit dot com and give them a call. So
it could be the Magic that it'd work. It could
be the eliminator, it could be the one called MOMS.
I feel very very confident one of them will take
(25:31):
care of it. Which one I'm not so sure until
I either get on their website and read them all
or just call deb all right, all right for it? Much,
all right, very good, thanks, take care of bye bye. Yeah.
A lot of that old furniture, when stored in a basement,
I can identify that smell. And I used to take
(25:51):
this call literally, you know, when the show started almost
forty years ago, and people would always call activated charcoal,
this pet octivated chuck on the drawers. It'll take care
of it. And I've never really ran into that problem.
I don't have it. I have a old chest and
things in my house. I've just never had the issue.
(26:12):
But once they go into storage, it does seem to
be an issue. All right, let's go Steve, Steve, welcome.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Oh hi there, I'm up in Massachusetts. Yes, sir, we
had a pretty major job. We've been out of the
house for about ten months, and we before we had
an old tape and the roof was acting up. So
we took the whole top of the house off and
put on a full second floor in a wild attic,
and we did we did the closed cell insulation in
(26:41):
the attic. We did two bikens huh, and closed cell
on the second floor. So on the first floor we
the you maybe it'll relate to this if you're older.
We took off the ceiling and the sheet rock is
just so heavy it's unbelievable. But on the first floor
they rowed holes eventually in a separate time and sprayed
(27:04):
in that oh it's the word for it, that that
cellulose insulation into the walls, and the first lay didn't.
We didn't take the plaster down off the walls, but
it's very, very thick. And in the basement they put
in which they was supposed to be closed cell, but
(27:25):
I think they sprayed an open cell along the top
of the foundation between the floor joy Star. Okay, So
my question is, after all this, I'm kind of I'm
not concerned, but I know the the attic for the
closed cell, you don't have to worry about water vapor
going in and out. But when they spray that stuff
(27:48):
into an open cavity. We've never had really any mold
in the house, and we actually, believe it or not,
we had no insulation whatsoever built in the thirties, none,
and so when the wind blew the drapes downstairs would
actually move. We probably put up storm windows a few
years ago. But my question is about the mold. I
(28:09):
mean is do you have to worry about like the
open cell and the basement that's that top one foot
and then they sprayed in that like paper, shredded paper.
To worry about the mold builds.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So here's what I would do if it were in
a basement. If it's in a basement and it's below grade,
I would use open cell because they don't want to
trap that water either in the wall or or anything
like that. I wanted to come into the house and
I want to control it. I have to use it.
(28:45):
Do you midifire? But if it's above grade and it
sounds like your joist pockets is what you're talking about,
that should be close. That should be close cell phone.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, because you get more water vapor transfer below grade,
and you don't want that to accumulate in the wall.
You want to just bring it in and manage it
from there. So up top you just have the humidity
from outside. So close close self. Fine, you know, just
(29:18):
let's just block it and be done with it. We're
not trapping it. There's not enough of it. It's not
below Yeah, I don't think it's going to kill you,
to be honest with you, especially since its foam. But
if it were me, I would say it should be
close cell phone.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
What about the up seas when they blew in that cellulose,
I guess that's the word for it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So, so the cellulose was the first floor that you
were talking about where they took through the plaster and
pump that in and there was no uh, there was
no no vapor barrier there right.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
As far as we know, nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but the plaster, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
There's not much I can do, though.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Really, there's not much you can do. The only thing
you could have done there, and quite honestly, it would
have performed better, but it may not even have been
available when when you did that. A close cell foam
in those walls would have been great.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
He was kind of We took some of the walls
down in spots to put the LBL beams in and stuff,
but he was afraid to put the cell phone in
where the plaster was because something about a fire has it.
I mean, I can see his point, but he said,
there's some sort of a chemical reaction in the closed
cell that could actually ignite itself.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe on that particular brand, I don't know, but I
know where I met for plaster walls or dry wall
or blueboard. Even you would use closed cell phoam above
grade and put a vapor barrier. But it doesn't matter.
You did you know you got the cellulos in there.
It's in there, and you know you're not gonna do
(30:58):
anything about it. Usually what they would do, uh back
when they were doing new construction with cellulose, they would
put the cellulose in and they would wrap it with
a viscueen and that would be your vacant lay.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
A little while ago, with the two by fours on
the roof, there's videos with it. They're trying to push
this rock wall mats where you put a double roof
and you put the mat in between, then you put more.
But I think it's I looked, I you know, I
was with the YouTube. It's wonderful. You can you can
(31:39):
figure anything out, But the cost to do that. They're
pushing that on the internet, but I think it's to
do that double layer. But this would be insulating in
between the two roofs well, very expensive.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I'll tell you one of the other trends. Yeah, it
would be. And there's also things today. I spent some
time talking about, uh, composite decking that has a cool
finish on it or you know, it doesn't get real
hot and burn your feet, And that same technology is
being used in metal roofing because metal roofing is very,
(32:13):
very energy efficient and it stays cool, so it's you know,
it's bouncing that solar energy off, if you will. And
now they're putting it even on shingled roofs. So I
don't know if that would be the best way to
go in terms of expense. It seems to me no.
I'd rather have the metal roof and which is going
(32:34):
to last much longer and have that same solar benefit.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
For mine has the older houses in Vermont has a
lot of steel roofs some years ago for some reason,
so much work up there. But Massa, I'm not going
to get in politics, but Massachusetts is trying to a
new construction. They're giving people a hard time on gas
heating systems. Natural gas. All right, it's kind of gone
(32:59):
to fire up here. We have our sixty in the roof.
I get it. To keep them happy. They don't complaining
from our sixty is what we ended up with.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, well mine, I'm further south, but very good. Thank you,
take care, bye bye, all right, um well, our number
is eight hundred eight two three eight two five five Tom.
You'll be up first when we come back. If you'd
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Gary Sullivan. I'm about eleven minutes before the top. They
are Tom fire Away. How are you I'm doing find Gary,
how are you doing? Wonderful? Thanks, I am.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I'll make this as fast as I can because there's
not much time. Uh. There's the plastic line going from
an april air unit, which I don't even know what
the hell that is, but going from the april air
unit and it goes down to PVC that then, of course,
you know, runs out of the house. But the PDC
(36:44):
is clicking like a sieve. You know, it goes across
the water or the floor into the drain and uh,
you know, I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, so this is directly coming out of the april
air box.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Yeah, yes, yes, the april airbox, it goes it's not PVC,
but it's you know, plastic line and the water seeds
to be going into that, and then close to the
floor it's PVC. And when it gets down to the PDC,
I don't know what you call it, but there's like
a little piece that goes down toward the floor. I
(37:23):
guess just allows the water to accumulate a little.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Bit, right, right, So first of all, there should not
be well, so is it leaking right now? Is it
the problem currently?
Speaker 9 (37:36):
As a matter of fact, you know, I put a
fan down there in a week and then it won't
a week and then it won't.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So so to answer that question, I'm I'm a little confused.
It's very common to have that leak this time of
year because what it's doing is when the air conditioning
is running, it's taken the humidity out and it goes
to that PVC pipe and then goes to a floor
(38:01):
drain or stationary tub. And if you look at that,
when it comes out and the pipe goes down, there's
like a tee and that tea is open at the
top because it's probably either not sloped properly or it's
got some slime in there, which is causing that to
back up, and then it goes in the pan and
(38:24):
it leaks around the base of the air handler.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Gotcha, gotcha, so.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Good to.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
I don't know if you can do this, but you know,
snake that mind.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Sure you can snake that line. You can put some
bleach down there. There's even a capsule that you can
drop down there that cleans those lines out. In fact,
I was just telling Danny that's a real problem for
people that put those energy efficient units up in attics,
because I guess it doesn't go on the basement floor,
right it comes to your s So even you might
(38:57):
try blache bleach or you know, trying to get that thing.
I've already even run a wire up at the base
and lifted that plastic a little bit and just kind
of scraped out whatever was holding it in and you know,
start free flowing right away. So I've had that problem too.
And again you can always put a little bleach down
(39:18):
that opening of that one.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Tee.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The reason I said doesn't make much sense is if
that pipe is a little bit different. In other words,
it's not coming out of the air handler. It's just
a standalone pipe and that rubberized hose from the april
air unit, which is a humidifier. Okay, it could be
it could be clogged and just discharging the water directly.
(39:44):
In other words, you didn't shut off the humidifier. There's
a valve up in the joist that is a water
supply that goes into the april air and then there's
a discharge pipe that's coming out, and that could still
be running if if if it's not the air conditioner condensation,
and I can't tell you which it is without seeing it,
(40:07):
you know.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
And even that april air unit that strikes me as
some kind of old device I remember having added my
parents' house.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
M m.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
There's still something that you still use.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, they still use them in the winter time, especially
in areas, you know, winter climates where it's real dry.
So you would be turning that water valve off, you know,
in the springtime, and turning it back on in November.
So it may just be on and that may be
the problem. May have nothing to do with condensation.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, well I'll try. You'd mentioned some kind of
a substance as you put down in that pipe to
dissolve it a little bit, right, what was that.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't know what the name of it is. It's
a it's a little capsule that you mix with water
and you pour it down there. It's some sort of
disinfect and it's made for air conditioner discharge by but
I can't think of that.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
Uh, well, that help the people that they're not around here,
but corking, you know somebody like that? Would they?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah? But really, at first, if you've got a long
piece of wire, I'd do it from the bottom and
see if you scrape something out of there, and then
just put some bleach down there. All right, thank you much,
and let's grab Paul. Paul welcome. Hey Gary, how are
you doing fine? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
One second, Gary, get just switched over here.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yep, I'm here.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
Okay, I'm having trouble hearing you, but I I am.
I have a new house that is in the trouble
with the.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Oh we lost you now, Paul. I'm sorry. I don't
know what your question was. I know your last question
was basement humidity and not sure what was going on
on that call, but yeah, I'm not either. We had
him when he switches over, it was fine. Yeah, but
for everybody's information, I will tell you basement humidity this
(42:16):
time of year is critically important, and watch it. If
you open your windows and it's you know, a nice day,
say eighty degrees, but if it's eighty degrees, then you
got ninety percent humidity out there, Keep the windows closed,
keep running the air conditioner. Your basement humidity should be
this time of year fifty five or below. Please don't panic.
(42:39):
If it's fifty six or fifty seven, don't go over sixty.
And if you have a nice day, that's fine, open
up the windows. But I tell people all the time,
be careful those days where it's you know, goes down
to seventy five, you have a cold front and it's
misty and cloudy or something like that, your outdoor humidity
is going to be running probably ninety percent, and you're
(43:00):
gonna fill your house up with all that water vapor.
You're gonna close that house up, and you're gonna have
a warm, humid house until that air conditioner removes all
that moisture. So you know the temperature. Yeah, I know,
when open my windows too, it's pretty simple, but pay
attention to what the humidity outdoors is because you're gonna
bring that moisture indoors, and you'll eventually have to get
(43:22):
that back outdoors. All right, see all the fun things
we learn, well, for sure, a fun weekend, a busy weekend.
If you missed our discussion with the folks from Moisture Shield.
The decking that is a cool decking. Uh huh, you
might want to check. It's a composite decking, but it's
cool to the touch. Sun isn't gonna heat that up
(43:44):
where you can't walk on it. Check it out. It's
on the iHeart app or wherever podcasts are, and uh,
there's a probably a twenty minute podcast there. I'll tell
you all about that particular decking. Danny boy, thank you
very much. A great weekend, Good Lord Willing. We'll both
be back next weekend for more. At Home with Gary Suliban.
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