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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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And let's start off with David. David. Welcome, Hey, Gary, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hey, I have a question. I was replaced we have
up on our soft Towards the end of the house.
We had floodlights, so we were replacing him with LEDs.
And when I went and took the softening the off,
there was a piece of MDF board there, which I
(02:06):
wasn't really sure why I was there. But then as
I was pulling down the sofft and looking down the
line of the house, there was more MDF up there.
So I went to a couple other places around the
house and just put a poker up there and kind
of peeled down the soffit and there was boards under that.
(02:26):
So my soffit is supposed to give you air up
into the attic.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Correct your isn't.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's exactly I know. So now I'm like, I'm really
worried now because everywhere I've checked there's like MDF old
MDF board there. So I guess my question is do
I need to take all this softening off and kind
it out?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Need to do something? We need to do something. So
let me ask you a bunch of questions. I can
almost visualize what happened, but let me issu you the
person that put the softening up that has the you know,
the cutouts and everything. Actually he just installed that didn't
remove or open up any of the area behind that
(03:23):
particular soft So the real question is is do you
have ridge vents on the roof or anything? Is that
part of the job. Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, Well, we just had a bad hail storm last
year and we got a new roof and they put
ridge vents up there.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, So was there anything up there before the hailstorm?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, there was a ridge vent up there before.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay. All right. So the way ventilation works in your attic,
and you know this, but I'm just saying it for
everybody else, is the safet that little box underneath the
gutters where you found vents, but then you've also found
wood behind those vents. That's where the cooler air comes
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into the soft e vents and up into the attic
and pushes the hot air out of the ridge vent.
So it works like a chimney. If you don't have
venting below. You can have all the vents at the
top of the roof, but that air isn't going to
go out because there is no sum of it will
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very little bit of it though, because you don't have
the air to replace the air that's going to go out.
Mother nature doesn't let a vacuum form, so the air
just stays there stagnant in hot and probably one hundred
and thirty five degrees. So you need to add the
lower ventilation in order to make that whole convection operate.
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So there's a formula has that. I'm guessing that soft
event's been like that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, since we moved in. It's like two it comes
out about two feet and from the house.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And when did you have the ridge vent put on? Last?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Last year we had a ham store.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What I would do, it's not the roofer's responsibility, but
he did sell your ridge event, right, Yeah, and that
ridge vent is virtually useless, and you know he can
he can fix the problem, or you can fix the problem.
All right, That's where I'm getting that. So there's a formula.
(05:48):
The formula is this. It's three hundred square foot footprint,
so you might have an area obviously bigger than that.
For every three hundred square foot of a footprint of
the house, not the square footage of the house, but
the footprint of the house three hundred square foot, it
requires one square foot of uninterrupted ventilation. So just because
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that softa vent is XYZ, some of it's interrupted because
half of it's solid, right, Yes, So where I'm getting
at is, I don't know if we can just take
that down and put some holes in that MDF board. Okay,
So you know, so three hundred square feet one square
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foot of uninterrupted ventilation split fifty to fifty between the
roof and the sofft, so that ridge vent's probably interrupted
about fifty percent with a filter in it, and you know,
some meshin is what I'm trying to say. And maybe
at the very least he can to help you figure
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out what is the easiest way to go, and you
can cut the MDF you get a whole song and
probably I'm just winging it here now. Every two feet
maybe put a two inch hole through the MDF board.
That might be enough.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I was just kind of thinking the whole soffa needs
to come down and just basically start from scratch.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well you could certainly do that, I mean, or I
don't know. Is the MDF board that's part of the
soffitt structure, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It looks like from what I took apart, it looks
like that's what they nailed the saft.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
To was that. Okay, yeah, probably you're probably right, that's
probably what's going to have to happen. I can't see it,
that's probably what's going to happen. But you've got the
idea of you knew it was wrong when you saw it,
and I'm just giving you the data for how much
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intake you need and how much I'll take you need.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So okay, yeah, I mean I went up into the
attic and I tried to crawl to the edge of
the house, and I was like, well I should I
think I should be seeing light time.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Well, that's why they have those cardboard baffles when
they insulate homes, because if they blow in all the insulation,
they put those cardboard or star from baffles for people
that just don't blow the insulation over the soffits, which
I see all the time. People paint over the softs,
people blow insulation over the soffits, people have wood under
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the soffits. So I say all the time, it's about
seventy percent of the homes are improperly ventilated. You're not alone,
But when you think about it, if you're not pulling
that hot air out you know that it might be
ninety two degrees outside that's still cool air because in
that attic it's probably one hundred and thirty or one
(08:57):
hundred and forty and they're in anything moving.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's blazing hot up there.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh yeah, they's nothing moving till we get air in there.
And then that'll allow the air to rise and go
out to the vent and the roof and it'll just
be pulling. The cooler air will be pushing that out.
So as the hot air says, oh, I can go
out now, there's gonna be air to fill in behind me.
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So the cooler air rises and pushes the hot air out.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Let me ask you this, do I need to do
it around the whole house or with one It's like
an L shaped house, would like two sides be enough?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Or uh maybe if you can get that. It's all
about that balance, right, It's about that three hundred square
foot You just want to have enough of it. It's
all going to end up in the same place, right,
So it doesn't really matter now, you know, it doesn't
You know, as long as you are in that area
and if you have we have you know, nobody gets
it exact. But if you're going to air. You want
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to have maybe even sixty percent intake forty percent outtake. Okay, alrighty,
all right, well thank you very much, very good. Hope
that helps. Thanks, take care. All right, we'll take a
break and we got Jim and Nathan. If you'd like
to join us, do so interesting and then on that ventilation.
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Jim welcome, good morning, good sir. I'm pull my hair.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
What's left without trying to remove four coats of porch
and four en ammol from a twelve or six x
twelve concrete pad that's the front porch.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, I tried clean strip.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I went through a gallon of that. That didn't do much,
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leave us it overnight covered in this queen. Then I
got there murratic acid. That seemed to help a little
bit more, but I still have a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Paint to get off.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I'm guessing you missed the conversation we had with Adam.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I did. Okay, there's a ballgame going, so I haven't
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Speaker 1 (14:35):
No, No, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just
saying it was a really, really, really interesting conversation. So
because I hear exactly what you're saying, and I hear
it all the time, these new environmentally friendly strippers are
no good, and it's like whoa, whoa. So here's the deal,
(14:56):
those environmentally strippers, and I don't care what brand it is, Okay,
they do not remove all types of paint regardless, all right, regardless.
DuMond Global that particular company, and I interviewed DuMond Global
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thirty five years ago on this show. They had one product,
one product. It's called peel Away. Peel Away had been
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Eiffel Tower, We've used it on the Capitol Dome. It's
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oil based paints. And then they have now you know
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Speaker 4 (16:19):
Company, unfortunately, I don't know what's been put down over
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oil base, he may have had some latex.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Right, that's exactly right. But how old is that piece? Uh?
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Well, the house is one hundred twenty five years old.
The owner's been here since for twenty five years, god
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Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, so you know. I mean if I was going
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in the store and it didn't work. And if I guess,
I might be wrong too. But my guess is the
Demong Global peel away will be the product. But even
Adam and I just Tolduman, it's do you m m
O n D? And I got to check that whether
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Speaker 1 (17:30):
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(18:26):
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thirty three minutes after the top of they are And
I want to remind you again the podcast I Heeart
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of paint strippers and coating strippers and how to find
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that's in your project list, maybe stripping doors or woodwork,
or of the fade table or whatever the case may be. Cabinets.
You want to get the right one. It's the key
to your success. All right, let's go to Nathan. Nathan Welcome, Hi, Gary,
Are you doing fine? Thanks?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Good?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I live in a brick home belt in the nineteen seventies,
late seventies, and over the past i'd say year or so,
I've noticed in one of the bedrooms. There looks to
be some kind of a stain or something that is
coming through the ceiling. It looks to be coming. It's
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just a thin line like it's coming through some of
where the drywalla has met each other.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, the scene and yeah, the scene.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And I've looked up in the attic. I don't seem
to have any water intrusion or any kind of pests
or anything like that. And I was wondering if you
have an idea of maybe what that could be. The
stains like a yellowish color, and I've actually seen noticed
it growing over the past year is when it started,
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and it's gotten to be about a foot long and
it's maybe a quarter inch wide.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
What's the width of it? Just out of curiosity, is
about the width of a pencil? Like right down that scene?
Is it absolutely a straight line or yes?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Okay, I mean almost exactly the width of a pencil
and an exact straight line.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay, anywhere else here?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Any window pacings?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, go ahead, No.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's not near any windowcasings or anything like that. I'm
just kind of rapping my brain as to what it
could be.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, is it is there any of that stain anywhere
else on that seal. No, okay, all right. So one
thing I was thinking when you were first talking about
that particular issue, I was thinking, Oh, maybe it's air transfer,
you know. I mean, we get that down at the
base through the carpets and the carpet gets stayed right
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against the woodwork. But I don't think that's it. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I've actually, I've actually taken a thermal camera to look
at to see because I know, you know, water stains
can you know, leave a different thermal image said anything else,
or air transfers, and I'm not seeing any kind of
air diffusion or anything like that in there. I didn't
know if maybe in that time period maybe there was
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some issues with drywall or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Has it just shown up or has it been going
on for a while and growing a little bit of
a time, or just pop up one day.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
It just popped up one day. Started really small, and
it comes off the side of the house and it's
about a foot and a half off the corner of
the house, and it just it comes from the wall
all the way out and like I said, within the
passenger or two has grown to probably a good foot
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if not more lost.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, so it's going from an exterior wall on the ceiling,
the ceiling where it abuts the exterior walls, kind of
starting in that corner and moving out to the center
of the room. Correct, Okay, so my bed is this moisture?
Now the question is where, how? Why there's insulation up there?
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Did you pull back the insulation to get to the
dry wall at all?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I did, and like I said, I didn't really notice
any moisture. Okay, yeah, and that's why I said, it's
kind of racking my brain.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's what this could be.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, and even if there is moisture, I would also
think as it dries out and gets rewetted that sometimes
the tape would curl during at that seam. So so
I'm not really sure, but a yellow stain is very
indicative of moisture stain. And when you have that seam,
we do have a little crevice, right, We have a
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place where it could hold some moisture. And the moisture
wouldn't necessarily have to be a leak. It doesn't have
to be a leak through the softa it doesn't have
to be a leak through the brick or piece of
missing mortar. It could be condensation, and condensation will also
over time. So why condensation. Well, let's say we have
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high humidity in the attic and it goes down to
zero and we get frost in certain areas on a sidewall,
and then it melts and you really don't see any moisture, right,
but it wets and it kind of congregates in that
crevice and stains the dry walls with its you know,
material in there. It'll make a yellow stain and it'll
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dry out, and you know, you know, up you go, Nathan,
you start pulling things back as dry. This thing's driving
me crazy. I'm still betting you it's moisture now, you know.
So now how do I fix that? Well, geez, I
guess I have to monitor temperature and humidity and an attic.
(28:36):
So a lot of times you can get those weather
stations where there's a outdoor monitoring box. Doesn't have to
be outdoors, it could be put in your attic. You know,
when you look at your temperature in your house, to say, oh,
it's seventy two degrees and forty five percent humidity. Oh
that attic is thirty eight degrees or thirty two degrees
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and it's fifty percent muddy. Wonder what's going on there?
How's that moisture getting in there? I don't know. Is
there moisture barrier underneath the attic? Is? You know? I
don't know how. I don't know how the moisture is
getting there. I'll just bet you it's moisture. So a
couple other things I got in my head because it
(29:21):
sounds like it could be a big project. But maybe
it doesn't have to be a big project. Maybe we
go up and we pull that insulation back. It's dry.
You'll see that little seam where it's kind of budded.
It's usually just a little bit of a crevice or
a place where I can hold a couple of drips
of water. Uh, maybe we just get some calking and
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calk that smooth on the back of it. Make sure
that the insulation has a vapor barrier, because you could
actually get it be getting heat penetration with some moisture
coming through that ceiling and hit the vapor barrier, creating
a little compensation. Now, I don't know, but if we
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do that, and since it's so slow growing and it is,
you know, it doesn't look good. I get that, we
calk that, we make sure it has a moisture bearer.
Then we put a stain hidening primer on there and
paint the ceiling and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Okay, I don't know. I sound like it's something I'm
going to look into.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's an option, But that would be my interpretation.
I think what I would you know, if I'm befuddled,
and I am, and might that might be that might
be a way to get going. And maybe it's just
to be solved with the stained ceiling primer. There's no
growth in mildew. It's it's probably not something that's ongoing
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all the time. Maybe just creates a little dampness in
the winter, gets a little melt and it takes six
months for disdain.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, because it was really weird how it all of
a sudden popped up. I mean after the house being
there since the seventies and all of a sudden I
get into this weird stain just leaking through and it's
growing a lot faster than I would think something would
grow like that. Yeah, without any other stainage or anything.
But yeah, condensation does sound like a good thought on that,
(31:22):
And I guess I'll have to figure out where that
comes from.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There's no bathroom fan vent around there or anything, is there?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
No, I mean not for fifteen twenty feet.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, I think really monitoring the temperature and the humidity
level up there might give you a reason to suspect
that or dispel that. But if it was a crack
brick or missing mortar joint or a leak where they
I mean, it could be a clog gutter and it
backing up and getting in that way, but I think
you'd have more water than just a little stain and
(31:57):
not being able to detect moisture.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yeah, and there's not any gutters on that side of
the house. Okay, So all right, Well, thank you, Gary,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
All right, you get an answer you let me know definitely,
all right, thank you. Yeah, it very well could be
in a good stained blocking primer like that total one
kills his or a ben primer sealer on there that
might just check it. And with no mold growth that's
a good sign too. All Right, we'll take a break, James, Linda, Allen, Jim,
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Speaker 6 (35:56):
This is about a deck question. It's a composite deck.
There's no stairs. It's a rectangular. It includes the top
rail and the I don't know what you call them,
the verticals. So I heard you talk about this material
for many years. I bought the property and about a
(36:16):
year ago, I don't believe. I don't know the material
and the property was built in the late eighties, but
this was put in afterwards. So I'm trying to determine
the manufacture of it, and I can describe what it
looks like. It's it's I guess it's like a brownish
(36:39):
or a tannish, and it's got a coarseness to it,
and it's like it's almost like fiberish and and it
does not have any like peeling or anything like that.
Uh So the purpose of this call is twofold one
to find out how can I determine the brand of
that material and to what I'm selling the property. And
(37:00):
I wanted to clean it up a little bit, mostly
with pine cones are on there, and I don't know
what to put on there. I just cleaned it with
water at this point.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But I'm going to yeah, well, in terms of finding
the brand name, they're not labeling each board, so I
don't know how you're going to do that the way
you describe it. So, the original composite material was built
in or made in I think probably the very early eighties,
(37:35):
early to mid eighties, and it was made by Treks
and it was a combination of wood, flower and plastic
that was molded together. And the claim was it will
never ever need maintenance and there since there is wood
flower in it. You know, it does need maintenance. Over
a long period of time, it bleaches out. And this
(37:58):
will be a weird question, but has there anything been
anything put on it, like pain or anything like that,
or is it just looked like a gray like almost
like a concrete board.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Nothing to my knowledge, has been put on it. And
it's not great.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Okay, what color is it?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Oh Jesus, it's somewhat of a like a tannish color,
if you will, And I say that like a very
it's it's not a very attractive color or whatever. Yeah,
it's not great.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, Well, if it were wood flower and plastic, which
I have to tell you, in that time frame, probably
one hundred percent of the decking was now they put
a cap, a PVC or a polyethylene cap over the
composite to take the wood flower out of play. There
(38:57):
was also a period in there where they started making
a lot of vinyl decks. When you said it kind
of looks like a coarseness, that that really does kind
of sound like a composite, uncapped composite, like a tres
But if nothing's ever been put on it, I guarantee
it looked like a slab of concrete. So you know,
maybe somebody put a stain or a solid color paint
(39:20):
on there and you can still see that texture. Okay,
would you think, I mean, does that does what I'm saying?
Does it make sense? I can't see it, so.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah, I would say you're probably right, But it looks
I think it was a clear they put on. Maybe
if that, I don't Maybe I don't know if it
was a solid or not, because it doesn't the uniformity
of it seems like no matter where, if it's in
the shade or whatever, it looks the same. So if
you get a solid stain, would there be an inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
No, I think it would be the other way around,
to be honest with you. If it was a semi transparent, uh,
it fades faster than a coating, so I would say
it would be the other way around. If it's a
semi transparent or you know, along those lines, it's got
pigment in it, but it's minimal. So so let's get
(40:18):
back to the question. Okay, we know it's a composite
of some sort. I mean, that's about what was out
in the eighties. There was pressure treated wood period and
composite decking period. Now there's capped and all kinds of
other stuff, but in that timeframe, that's what was available.
So what do you want to do to it?
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, I I cleaned it up with just water and
it looked a lot better.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
But I just know if there was like if.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Uh, maybe put like a I don't know, a light
detergent on there and then put something just to pop
up it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Here's where I want you to go. There's a website
it's called Defy Defy Woodstain dot com. They have a
deck cleaner. It's a very high quality oxygenated bleach. It's
a powder, it's not chlorine bleach. It's mixed with water.
(41:18):
You'll spray it onto the deck or mop it onto
the deck. However, just get it on the deck. It
said about ten minutes. Take a wood fiber not scrub brush,
but like a street broom and just agitate that or
a stiff broom or scrub brush whatever, just to create
some agitation in it. And take a hose and rinse
(41:38):
it off. Okay, okay, that's the safest, best deck cleaner
you can get, all right, and it'll take care. Now,
there's some things that's not gonna get like if I
know you're in Arizona, but if if you were like
in the Midwest and had walnuts and you know, heavy tannin,
(42:00):
it may not take all that out, but it'll clean
almost everything. And I'll even kind of bleach those out
to a degree. I would clean it with that first.
While you're at the Defied wood Stain website. They have
and I think there's maybe just two other companies that
have it, they have a composite decking stain. And if
(42:23):
you wanted to go full bore and clean it and
it didn't hit your magic button at that point, you
might consider doing a composite deck stain on it.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Okay, yeah, I'm on. I'm on their website now I
see it. It's a composite deck cleaner. Just a little
comment there, even though I'm in Arizona. I just want
to make I'm at this is a cabin at eight
thousand feet, so it's more us, you know. I get
founded with the yes.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Absolutely absolutely, And depending on whether you have a semi
transparent or a solid color stain, I mean I can't
see it, so we don't need semi transparent stains don't
last as long as a solid color stain against the sun.
So if you're at eight thousand feet in full sun,
your semi transparent stains probably got a lifespan of two
(43:17):
maximum of three years, but probably more like two regardless
of how great the product is. Solid color stain probably
three to five. And I'm not encouraging you to go
one way or the other, just so you know, in
a semi transparent you'll be able to see more of
the texture than you would with a solid color. Solid
(43:39):
color is more of a paint, a coating. So let's
clean it first and then see what it looks like. Okay, alrighty,
I'm good. Appreciated the product, all right, bye bye, all right,
there you go, and again let me give you the
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Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hey, I have a question. I was replaced we have
up on our soft Towards the end of the house.
We had floodlights, so we were replacing him with LEDs.
And when I went and took the softening the off,
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Speaker 1 (02:32):
Correct your isn't.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's exactly I know. So now I'm like, I'm really
worried now because everywhere I've checked there's like MDF old
MDF board there. So I guess my question is do
I need to take all this softening off and kind
it out?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Need to do something? We need to do something. So
let me ask you a bunch of questions. I can
almost visualize what happened, but let me issu you the
person that put the softening up that has the you know,
the cutouts and everything. Actually he just installed that didn't
remove or open up any of the area behind that
(03:23):
particular soft So the real question is is do you
have ridge vents on the roof or anything? Is that
part of the job. Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, Well, we just had a bad hail storm last
year and we got a new roof and they put
ridge vents up there.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, So was there anything up there before the hailstorm?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, there was a ridge vent up there before.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay. All right. So the way ventilation works in your attic,
and you know this, but I'm just saying it for
everybody else, is the safet that little box underneath the
gutters where you found vents, but then you've also found
wood behind those vents. That's where the cooler air comes
(04:14):
into the soft e vents and up into the attic
and pushes the hot air out of the ridge vent.
So it works like a chimney. If you don't have
venting below. You can have all the vents at the
top of the roof, but that air isn't going to
go out because there is no sum of it will
(04:37):
very little bit of it though, because you don't have
the air to replace the air that's going to go out.
Mother nature doesn't let a vacuum form, so the air
just stays there stagnant in hot and probably one hundred
and thirty five degrees. So you need to add the
lower ventilation in order to make that whole convection operate.
(05:01):
So there's a formula has that. I'm guessing that soft
event's been like that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, since we moved in. It's like two it comes
out about two feet and from the house.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And when did you have the ridge vent put on? Last?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Last year we had a ham store.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What I would do, it's not the roofer's responsibility, but
he did sell your ridge event, right, Yeah, and that
ridge vent is virtually useless, and you know he can
he can fix the problem, or you can fix the problem.
All right, That's where I'm getting that. So there's a formula.
(05:48):
The formula is this. It's three hundred square foot footprint,
so you might have an area obviously bigger than that.
For every three hundred square foot of a footprint of
the house, not the square footage of the house, but
the footprint of the house three hundred square foot, it
requires one square foot of uninterrupted ventilation. So just because
(06:18):
that softa vent is XYZ, some of it's interrupted because
half of it's solid, right, Yes, So where I'm getting
at is, I don't know if we can just take
that down and put some holes in that MDF board. Okay,
So you know, so three hundred square feet one square
(06:38):
foot of uninterrupted ventilation split fifty to fifty between the
roof and the sofft, so that ridge vent's probably interrupted
about fifty percent with a filter in it, and you know,
some meshin is what I'm trying to say. And maybe
at the very least he can to help you figure
(07:01):
out what is the easiest way to go, and you
can cut the MDF you get a whole song and
probably I'm just winging it here now. Every two feet
maybe put a two inch hole through the MDF board.
That might be enough.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I was just kind of thinking the whole soffa needs
to come down and just basically start from scratch.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well you could certainly do that, I mean, or I
don't know. Is the MDF board that's part of the
soffitt structure, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It looks like from what I took apart, it looks
like that's what they nailed the saft.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
To was that. Okay, yeah, probably you're probably right, that's
probably what's going to have to happen. I can't see it,
that's probably what's going to happen. But you've got the
idea of you knew it was wrong when you saw it,
and I'm just giving you the data for how much
(08:00):
intake you need and how much I'll take you need.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So okay, yeah, I mean I went up into the
attic and I tried to crawl to the edge of
the house, and I was like, well I should I
think I should be seeing light time.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Well, that's why they have those cardboard baffles when
they insulate homes, because if they blow in all the insulation,
they put those cardboard or star from baffles for people
that just don't blow the insulation over the soffits, which
I see all the time. People paint over the softs,
people blow insulation over the soffits, people have wood under
(08:36):
the soffits. So I say all the time, it's about
seventy percent of the homes are improperly ventilated. You're not alone,
But when you think about it, if you're not pulling
that hot air out you know that it might be
ninety two degrees outside that's still cool air because in
that attic it's probably one hundred and thirty or one
(08:57):
hundred and forty and they're in anything moving.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's blazing hot up there.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh yeah, they's nothing moving till we get air in there.
And then that'll allow the air to rise and go
out to the vent and the roof and it'll just
be pulling. The cooler air will be pushing that out.
So as the hot air says, oh, I can go
out now, there's gonna be air to fill in behind me.
(09:26):
So the cooler air rises and pushes the hot air out.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Let me ask you this, do I need to do
it around the whole house or with one It's like
an L shaped house, would like two sides be enough?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Or uh maybe if you can get that. It's all
about that balance, right, It's about that three hundred square
foot You just want to have enough of it. It's
all going to end up in the same place, right,
So it doesn't really matter now, you know, it doesn't
You know, as long as you are in that area
and if you have we have you know, nobody gets
it exact. But if you're going to air. You want
(10:03):
to have maybe even sixty percent intake forty percent outtake. Okay, alrighty,
all right, well thank you very much, very good. Hope
that helps. Thanks, take care. All right, we'll take a
break and we got Jim and Nathan. If you'd like
to join us, do so interesting and then on that ventilation.
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lot of great information there. All right, let's go to Jim.
Jim welcome, good morning, good sir. I'm pull my hair.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
What's left without trying to remove four coats of porch
and four en ammol from a twelve or six x
twelve concrete pad that's the front porch.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, I tried clean strip.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I went through a gallon of that. That didn't do much,
even though I would put it on according to their instructions,
leave us it overnight covered in this queen. Then I
got there murratic acid. That seemed to help a little
bit more, but I still have a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Paint to get off.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I'm guessing you missed the conversation we had with Adam.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I did. Okay, there's a ballgame going, so I haven't
caught you.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
No, No, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just
saying it was a really, really, really interesting conversation. So
because I hear exactly what you're saying, and I hear
it all the time, these new environmentally friendly strippers are
no good, and it's like whoa, whoa. So here's the deal,
(14:56):
those environmentally strippers, and I don't care what brand it is, Okay,
they do not remove all types of paint regardless, all right, regardless.
DuMond Global that particular company, and I interviewed DuMond Global
(15:17):
thirty five years ago on this show. They had one product,
one product. It's called peel Away. Peel Away had been
used in cathedrals in Europe. They've used it on the
Eiffel Tower, We've used it on the Capitol Dome. It's
for it's for coatings that lead based paints, really old
(15:40):
oil based paints. And then they have now you know
smart strip advanced Smart Strip pro those take care one
takes care of acrylics and latexas the other one kind
of epoxies. And what they did, Jim, and this is
what I'm going to refer you to do. They've got
a test hit in the test kit. You put on
(16:04):
the coating that you're trying to remove, and you'll see
because they give you samples of each of their products,
and there's only one that's going to pull that coating
off and the other.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Company, unfortunately, I don't know what's been put down over
the years from the previous owner. May have had some
oil base, he may have had some latex.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Right, that's exactly right. But how old is that piece? Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Well, the house is one hundred twenty five years old.
The owner's been here since for twenty five years, god
knows how many.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, so you know. I mean if I was going
to guess, but see you guessed and bought the stripper
in the store and it didn't work. And if I guess,
I might be wrong too. But my guess is the
Demong Global peel away will be the product. But even
Adam and I just Tolduman, it's do you m m
O n D? And I got to check that whether
(17:03):
there's two, Yeah, there's just one m Do you m
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kits and you can get them at Sure and Williams,
some do it best stores they're like fifteen bucks. And
then you're going to be dealing with the right product
and that's what it's going to take. And if you
get it, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Somehow I just knew you'd know if you get a.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Chance, and all seriousness, if if you got the time,
if you got the iHeart app and listen to today
the podcast, listen to the podcast. It's as I told Danny,
I've had this explained to me about four times five times,
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and until I did that whole interview, I was like,
oh I got it, now, I got it. So your
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That there's a special place in heaven for all the
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Well, thank you care, thanks Jim, appreciate it all right,
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You know. It's just sometimes things just work out perfectly.
But when you're talking coatings and just grabbing a paint
(18:26):
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I mean that smart strip advantage is probably going to
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if you have other types of coatings on there, of
(18:46):
poxies or lead based paints, or or if you get
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(19:07):
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Are you doing fine? Thanks?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Good?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I live in a brick home belt in the nineteen seventies,
late seventies, and over the past i'd say year or so,
I've noticed in one of the bedrooms. There looks to
be some kind of a stain or something that is
coming through the ceiling. It looks to be coming. It's
(23:49):
just a thin line like it's coming through some of
where the drywalla has met each other.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, the scene and yeah, the scene.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And I've looked up in the attic. I don't seem
to have any water intrusion or any kind of pests
or anything like that. And I was wondering if you
have an idea of maybe what that could be. The
stains like a yellowish color, and I've actually seen noticed
it growing over the past year is when it started,
(24:23):
and it's gotten to be about a foot long and
it's maybe a quarter inch wide.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
What's the width of it? Just out of curiosity, is
about the width of a pencil? Like right down that scene?
Is it absolutely a straight line or yes?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Okay, I mean almost exactly the width of a pencil
and an exact straight line.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay, anywhere else here?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Any window pacings?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, go ahead, No.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's not near any windowcasings or anything like that. I'm
just kind of rapping my brain as to what it
could be.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, is it is there any of that stain anywhere
else on that seal. No, okay, all right. So one
thing I was thinking when you were first talking about
that particular issue, I was thinking, Oh, maybe it's air transfer,
you know. I mean, we get that down at the
base through the carpets and the carpet gets stayed right
(25:16):
against the woodwork. But I don't think that's it. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I've actually, I've actually taken a thermal camera to look
at to see because I know, you know, water stains
can you know, leave a different thermal image said anything else,
or air transfers, and I'm not seeing any kind of
air diffusion or anything like that in there. I didn't
know if maybe in that time period maybe there was
(25:44):
some issues with drywall or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Has it just shown up or has it been going
on for a while and growing a little bit of
a time, or just pop up one day.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
It just popped up one day. Started really small, and
it comes off the side of the house and it's
about a foot and a half off the corner of
the house, and it just it comes from the wall
all the way out and like I said, within the
passenger or two has grown to probably a good foot
(26:21):
if not more lost.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, so it's going from an exterior wall on the ceiling,
the ceiling where it abuts the exterior walls, kind of
starting in that corner and moving out to the center
of the room. Correct, Okay, so my bed is this moisture?
Now the question is where, how? Why there's insulation up there?
(26:49):
Did you pull back the insulation to get to the
dry wall at all?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I did, and like I said, I didn't really notice
any moisture. Okay, yeah, and that's why I said, it's
kind of racking my brain.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's what this could be.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, and even if there is moisture, I would also
think as it dries out and gets rewetted that sometimes
the tape would curl during at that seam. So so
I'm not really sure, but a yellow stain is very
indicative of moisture stain. And when you have that seam,
we do have a little crevice, right, We have a
(27:29):
place where it could hold some moisture. And the moisture
wouldn't necessarily have to be a leak. It doesn't have
to be a leak through the softa it doesn't have
to be a leak through the brick or piece of
missing mortar. It could be condensation, and condensation will also
over time. So why condensation. Well, let's say we have
(27:52):
high humidity in the attic and it goes down to
zero and we get frost in certain areas on a sidewall,
and then it melts and you really don't see any moisture, right,
but it wets and it kind of congregates in that
crevice and stains the dry walls with its you know,
material in there. It'll make a yellow stain and it'll
(28:13):
dry out, and you know, you know, up you go, Nathan,
you start pulling things back as dry. This thing's driving
me crazy. I'm still betting you it's moisture now, you know.
So now how do I fix that? Well, geez, I
guess I have to monitor temperature and humidity and an attic.
(28:36):
So a lot of times you can get those weather
stations where there's a outdoor monitoring box. Doesn't have to
be outdoors, it could be put in your attic. You know,
when you look at your temperature in your house, to say, oh,
it's seventy two degrees and forty five percent humidity. Oh
that attic is thirty eight degrees or thirty two degrees
(29:00):
and it's fifty percent muddy. Wonder what's going on there?
How's that moisture getting in there? I don't know. Is
there moisture barrier underneath the attic? Is? You know? I
don't know how. I don't know how the moisture is
getting there. I'll just bet you it's moisture. So a
couple other things I got in my head because it
(29:21):
sounds like it could be a big project. But maybe
it doesn't have to be a big project. Maybe we
go up and we pull that insulation back. It's dry.
You'll see that little seam where it's kind of budded.
It's usually just a little bit of a crevice or
a place where I can hold a couple of drips
of water. Uh, maybe we just get some calking and
(29:42):
calk that smooth on the back of it. Make sure
that the insulation has a vapor barrier, because you could
actually get it be getting heat penetration with some moisture
coming through that ceiling and hit the vapor barrier, creating
a little compensation. Now, I don't know, but if we
(30:03):
do that, and since it's so slow growing and it is,
you know, it doesn't look good. I get that, we
calk that, we make sure it has a moisture bearer.
Then we put a stain hidening primer on there and
paint the ceiling and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Okay, I don't know. I sound like it's something I'm
going to look into.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's an option, But that would be my interpretation.
I think what I would you know, if I'm befuddled,
and I am, and might that might be that might
be a way to get going. And maybe it's just
to be solved with the stained ceiling primer. There's no
growth in mildew. It's it's probably not something that's ongoing
(30:49):
all the time. Maybe just creates a little dampness in
the winter, gets a little melt and it takes six
months for disdain.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, because it was really weird how it all of
a sudden popped up. I mean after the house being
there since the seventies and all of a sudden I
get into this weird stain just leaking through and it's
growing a lot faster than I would think something would
grow like that. Yeah, without any other stainage or anything.
But yeah, condensation does sound like a good thought on that,
(31:22):
And I guess I'll have to figure out where that
comes from.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There's no bathroom fan vent around there or anything, is there?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
No, I mean not for fifteen twenty feet.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, I think really monitoring the temperature and the humidity
level up there might give you a reason to suspect
that or dispel that. But if it was a crack
brick or missing mortar joint or a leak where they
I mean, it could be a clog gutter and it
backing up and getting in that way, but I think
you'd have more water than just a little stain and
(31:57):
not being able to detect moisture.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yeah, and there's not any gutters on that side of
the house. Okay, So all right, Well, thank you, Gary,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
All right, you get an answer you let me know definitely,
all right, thank you. Yeah, it very well could be
in a good stained blocking primer like that total one
kills his or a ben primer sealer on there that
might just check it. And with no mold growth that's
a good sign too. All Right, we'll take a break, James, Linda, Allen, Jim,
(32:31):
We'll get your questions answered. Don't worry about it. We'll
be right back after about three four minutes. You're at
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phone calls. We'll go to James. James, Welcome, Kerry.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
This is about a deck question. It's a composite deck.
There's no stairs. It's a rectangular. It includes the top
rail and the I don't know what you call them,
the verticals. So I heard you talk about this material
for many years. I bought the property and about a
(36:16):
year ago, I don't believe. I don't know the material
and the property was built in the late eighties, but
this was put in afterwards. So I'm trying to determine
the manufacture of it, and I can describe what it
looks like. It's it's I guess it's like a brownish
(36:39):
or a tannish, and it's got a coarseness to it,
and it's like it's almost like fiberish and and it
does not have any like peeling or anything like that.
Uh So the purpose of this call is twofold one
to find out how can I determine the brand of
that material and to what I'm selling the property. And
(37:00):
I wanted to clean it up a little bit, mostly
with pine cones are on there, and I don't know
what to put on there. I just cleaned it with
water at this point.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But I'm going to yeah, well, in terms of finding
the brand name, they're not labeling each board, so I
don't know how you're going to do that the way
you describe it. So, the original composite material was built
in or made in I think probably the very early eighties,
(37:35):
early to mid eighties, and it was made by Treks
and it was a combination of wood, flower and plastic
that was molded together. And the claim was it will
never ever need maintenance and there since there is wood
flower in it. You know, it does need maintenance. Over
a long period of time, it bleaches out. And this
(37:58):
will be a weird question, but has there anything been
anything put on it, like pain or anything like that,
or is it just looked like a gray like almost
like a concrete board.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Nothing to my knowledge, has been put on it. And
it's not great.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Okay, what color is it?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Oh Jesus, it's somewhat of a like a tannish color,
if you will, And I say that like a very
it's it's not a very attractive color or whatever. Yeah,
it's not great.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, Well, if it were wood flower and plastic, which
I have to tell you, in that time frame, probably
one hundred percent of the decking was now they put
a cap, a PVC or a polyethylene cap over the
composite to take the wood flower out of play. There
(38:57):
was also a period in there where they started making
a lot of vinyl decks. When you said it kind
of looks like a coarseness, that that really does kind
of sound like a composite, uncapped composite, like a tres
But if nothing's ever been put on it, I guarantee
it looked like a slab of concrete. So you know,
maybe somebody put a stain or a solid color paint
(39:20):
on there and you can still see that texture. Okay,
would you think, I mean, does that does what I'm saying?
Does it make sense? I can't see it, so.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah, I would say you're probably right, But it looks
I think it was a clear they put on. Maybe
if that, I don't Maybe I don't know if it
was a solid or not, because it doesn't the uniformity
of it seems like no matter where, if it's in
the shade or whatever, it looks the same. So if
you get a solid stain, would there be an inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
No, I think it would be the other way around,
to be honest with you. If it was a semi transparent, uh,
it fades faster than a coating, so I would say
it would be the other way around. If it's a
semi transparent or you know, along those lines, it's got
pigment in it, but it's minimal. So so let's get
(40:18):
back to the question. Okay, we know it's a composite
of some sort. I mean, that's about what was out
in the eighties. There was pressure treated wood period and
composite decking period. Now there's capped and all kinds of
other stuff, but in that timeframe, that's what was available.
So what do you want to do to it?
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, I I cleaned it up with just water and
it looked a lot better.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
But I just know if there was like if.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Uh, maybe put like a I don't know, a light
detergent on there and then put something just to pop
up it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Here's where I want you to go. There's a website
it's called Defy Defy Woodstain dot com. They have a
deck cleaner. It's a very high quality oxygenated bleach. It's
a powder, it's not chlorine bleach. It's mixed with water.
(41:18):
You'll spray it onto the deck or mop it onto
the deck. However, just get it on the deck. It
said about ten minutes. Take a wood fiber not scrub brush,
but like a street broom and just agitate that or
a stiff broom or scrub brush whatever, just to create
some agitation in it. And take a hose and rinse
(41:38):
it off. Okay, okay, that's the safest, best deck cleaner
you can get, all right, and it'll take care. Now,
there's some things that's not gonna get like if I
know you're in Arizona, but if if you were like
in the Midwest and had walnuts and you know, heavy tannin,
(42:00):
it may not take all that out, but it'll clean
almost everything. And I'll even kind of bleach those out
to a degree. I would clean it with that first.
While you're at the Defied wood Stain website. They have
and I think there's maybe just two other companies that
have it, they have a composite decking stain. And if
(42:23):
you wanted to go full bore and clean it and
it didn't hit your magic button at that point, you
might consider doing a composite deck stain on it.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Okay, yeah, I'm on. I'm on their website now I
see it. It's a composite deck cleaner. Just a little
comment there, even though I'm in Arizona. I just want
to make I'm at this is a cabin at eight
thousand feet, so it's more us, you know. I get
founded with the yes.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Absolutely absolutely, And depending on whether you have a semi
transparent or a solid color stain, I mean I can't
see it, so we don't need semi transparent stains don't
last as long as a solid color stain against the sun.
So if you're at eight thousand feet in full sun,
your semi transparent stains probably got a lifespan of two
(43:17):
maximum of three years, but probably more like two regardless
of how great the product is. Solid color stain probably
three to five. And I'm not encouraging you to go
one way or the other, just so you know, in
a semi transparent you'll be able to see more of
the texture than you would with a solid color. Solid
(43:39):
color is more of a paint, a coating. So let's
clean it first and then see what it looks like. Okay, alrighty,
I'm good. Appreciated the product, all right, bye bye, all right,
there you go, and again let me give you the
phone number because we've got a lot more to cover.
It is eight hundred eight two three A two five five.
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