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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Best time of the day. I get us sick it
afternoon and welcome to our number four at home with
Gary Salvan. By the way, we've got some open lines
outside of Harold, who we're going to get to in
just the second. All right, it's eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five, and go ahead and grab
a line. Happy to chat with you about your home
project and Harold, welcome aboard. How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gary?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Roll tied to you this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You got a game tonight right.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Six six thirty your time, seven thirty year time. I
know we had a couple of guys that did that.
When you went to them, they weren't on the line.
You think maybe they were checking to see what station
the game was on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, No, I think a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We're a little distracted, but maybe.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm being radio.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, main house is ninety four years old. I've got
cross faced about four or five about four feet and
I'm thinking about doing the encapsulation. What are the things
I need to ask the contractors that come out to bid.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, and we're talking about the cross base.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Area underneath the house.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yet it's dirt, so total encapsulation is the first thing
I guess the contractor should ask you is what is
the main purpose of encapsulation? In other words, you have
standing water? Is the soil moist Is there mold and
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mildew down there? Does it just smell bed or what
are we trying to do here?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No smells, no standing water?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I see a little mill dow every once in a while,
but nothing massive. Okay, we're having the having a kitchen redone.
And the contractor said that, I just I didn't see
a lot of mold that I saw some traces, and
so I said, well, maybe it's time to do the encapsuling.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, all right, good good, Well at least you don't
have a standing water or anything. Howl's the house.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Ninety four years ago?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Whoa baby? Okay, what do you got on there? Now?
Is it dirt or is there plastic on the ground
or anything?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Just dirt. I did add on six six years ago,
and they did put plastic down on the add on,
But the main sixteen hundred square feet probably it's just
just darkin easily accessible. Yeah, probably a good four feet
from there goin.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
To So really what they're doing is they're just checking
the moisture at the door and I'll get into that,
and they're creating insulations so that we don't have you know,
cold hitting warm and creating moisture and creating condensation which
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can attach to joist and cosmold. That's basically the process.
So what they'll be doing is you know, hopefully is
what they're going to be quoting you is just you know,
taking like a ten to fourteen mil plastic making it
you know, all the seams are covered and it's it's
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keeping all the ground moisture in period, and then running
up and insulating the sides of the walls even to
a point of where they're seiling off any type of
venting that's going into it. So it's totally encapsulated. If
you have any if you have any insulation on the
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underside of the of the kitchen, so at the top.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of the cross, there's no there's no insulation underneath the
four except the new parts that were added on six years.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, and they'll probably take that out because there won't
be a need for it. So what you'll have is
you have a relatively insulated moisture controlled area, which once
you control the moisture, the humidity, the ground moisture water
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coming in through the walls, you know, checkmate, I mean
you've solved the problems.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, don't put insulation between the floor.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Joists shouldn't have to because that will be warm. I
mean it's not going to be You're probably in it
warm anyway down there, but it'll be even more warm
because they will evculate the walls. They will eventulate the floor.
I mean, yeah, they'll probably tell you to take that down,
would be my guest. Or they'll take it down. I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
When you say ansel like the floor and what are
you talking about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, when they're putting the plastic down, a lot of
times they will pin it up a little bit and
they'll actually have like a foam under there. It really varies,
and it may vary where you live to Herald where
it just may be plastic and a ten to fourteen
mil vapor barrier similar to like what's under concrete, you know,
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So there's a and that itself will be an insulator.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So that's basically what they're trying to get. I mean,
they're just trying to take water out of the out
of the whole equation, because water is the root of
all evil in a house, and you know when you
also temperature variations, certainly you know I have something to
do because if it's if you got water radiating up
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through mother nature of the floor, the you know, the
dirt floor, and it has a you hit a really
cold night and it's kind of humid in there because
we had kind of a damn floor. You know that's
quickly going to cause conversation and that will eventually cause
mold for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, all right now, can you make the tide roll tonight?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't know, man, you think so?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
George is always up.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That'd be a good game. Enjoy it. But yeah, I'll
be pulling for you. How's that? Take care? Bye? I
love Harold. All right, let me give you the phone
number we got open lines. Like to talk to you
about your home project. I would certainly like to cover
some things, whether it's a summer project you're trying to
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put the bed, or maybe some of the things we've
talked about. And I don't think right now I'm dead
serious about this. I don't. I don't think we can
talk enough about ventially and insulation of our homes. I
get in different websites, I get emails I get read
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different gatherings on social media and the amount of stories
that people are posting on the cost of energy. And
I don't mean this negatively, but the amount of whining.
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But I never hear anybody talking about what they're doing
about it. And so I really come to you with
that question today, what are you doing about it? And
I know we we go. I mean, there's all kinds
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of options, and we've talked about some of them today
and some of them are just you know, it's not
like it's going to make your whole energy bill plummet.
But if you're sitting here today and I'm not trying
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to say windows here, but if you're sitting here with old,
rattling windows and you're saying, oh, my energy bill this
year's up thirty five percent, what are you doing about it?
You can see that those windows are probably not up
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to standards, but there are other things you don't necessarily
have to replace the window. You can actually encapsulate that window.
There's calking. You can calk your windows closed in the
wintertime or the summertime, and then when that season passes,
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you can that calking off. So let's talk a little
or you know, when was the last time somebody really
looked in your attic and said, hey, you only got
like six to eight inches of insulation up there. Hmm, yeah,
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maybe you should add some insulation. So let's talk a
little bit about that. What are you thinking about doing?
Have you ever and boy, I hate to open up
this can of worms, I really really do. I'm not
probably efficient enough to give you good strong answers. But
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have you really analyzed your provider on what you're paying
for and the fees you're paying for and gas and
electric delivery? Have you really did a spreadsheet? What a hassle?
Can you say? Money there? So what are you doing
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about higher energy cost? If anything? Maybe it's just I'm
changing to filter more regularly. It's eight hundred eight two
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back at it. We go at home with Gary Sullivan.
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Our phone numbers eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five. Grab a line, Julie, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hi, thank you, you're okay?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can great perfect.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I have a house that's about twenty seven years old.
The original shutters. Two of them, actually three now have
blown off. We had two replaced and two came off again.
So this is the third total of three unique shutters,
and I ordered the same one for replacement. They have
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special screws and whatever plastic thing is supposed to hold
the screw in the thanks you coming out. If it
makes sense, use something like liquid nails to hold that
in or is that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
A mistake, Well, you can do that. You can use
the liquid nails. So I'm guessing that the what they're
sending you is some screws and then a plastic anchor
that goes in the mortar if it's brick, or into
the siding or is that close to what we're talking about.
So yeah, what you can do is it doesn't even
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have to be, uh, liquid nails. It could be when
you drill that hole, put a little dollop of silicone
in there, and then press that anchor in there. And okay,
if you want to set that all up and just
let that silicon drawer and then come back and run
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the screws in there, the screws will still expand and
that might help you with them, you know, coming out.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Okay, perfect, Thanks, that's a great idea. Okay, I appreciate
you taking my call.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You're quite welcome. Thank you. Julie all right, and Belinda welcome.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Hi, Hi Gary. I used to advertise a company that
laser measured doors and then install them.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I like to know what the name of that company was.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
It was One Day Doors and Closets right over on
Mostella Road in Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Okay, But because I'm I'm thinking of replacing all the doors.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sure, sure, it's it's a great concept. It really is.
A lot of people think that I just go out
and buy some doors and I'll stand them up and I'll,
you know, take the screws out of the old ones
and I'll screw it into the new door, and it
just it doesn't work that way. Yeah. Different thing.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
My house is older and everything is like off size.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
It's like everything is unique.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, And even the thicknesses of hinges, over the course
of time change. So if you like giving an older house,
and you buy a door that's miterred for a hinge,
it might be miterred for a much thinner hinge, and
then the door won't close. So it is it Replacing
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the doors really requires normally a lot of carpentry. So
what one day doors and closets do is it come
out and the heck with the heck with the door
that's there, right, they will measure with the laser the top,
middle bottom with a laser measuring and they'll you know,
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also measure where the hinge and the mortis are and
all that and where the one day comes in. As
you know, they might be there for a few hours
measuring everything. And then when they're all done and you
get all kinds of choices on the types of doors
you want. When they're ready to go, they come in,
they take the doors out, they put the new doors in.
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There is no carpentry work. They're designed to absolutely fit
that space. It's and it's be honest with you. I
remember when I first met with them and we were
started comparing costs. It's it's actually very competitive of having,
you know, a carpenter come out and do all that
work for you. I mean they're just doing it and
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then coming out. It's kind of like the three day
kitchen and bath guy. You know, he does all the
work in the before and then when he's ready to
rock and roll and come to your house. It's you know,
it's all it's all designed to just fit.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, that really sounds great.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yep, there you go, you bet, thank you, bye bye,
all right, you can join us eight hundred and eighty two.
The website, by the way, is one Day Doors and
Closets dot com. One Day Doors and Closets dot com.
Is that the number one or the one?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Everything's spilled out there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right? Yeah? That was a that was a cool place.
And they have a real nice showroom. And you think
you're just going to go there and just get a door.
I mean telling you. They've got all different types of doors.
They've got litted glass doors, they got six panel doors,
they got flat doors, and so many homes, track built
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homes back in the seventy eighties and nineties, A lot
of times they were they're terrible doors in those houses.
I had one of those in you know, a lot
of times they were just hollow, very hollow, and it
was literally like masonite on it. And they were usually
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dark brown, and I remember small kids in the area.
I painted all those things out just to put some
color or some uh, lighten the color inside that home.
All those brown doors is just kind of a dreary house.
It's fine, but when you have paint over something like that,
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then you start running and with kids, you're gonna end
up with chips of white paint all over and you
start seeing the brown speckles. But these have hollow core
wood doors. They have solid wood doors. But yeah, we
haven't talked about that much. But that's a good alternative.
I love it. We thought about this and we're just
ready to make that move. Another good way. When we
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keep talking about our homes, you know there's things in
your home right now that are just stuff bugging you right,
there's things that you know aren't right. In fact, I
had it this week. I've been watching a patio at
the back of my house and I noticed it about
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a year ago, and I thought, man, that doesn't look
like it has a positive grade away from the house.
You remember how I always talk about from waterproofing, water control.
You don't want the ground, you don't want the sidewalk,
you don't want the driveway, you don't want the patio
tilted towards the house. And just looking at it from
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inside the kitchen or family room out onto this patio area,
it just kind of it just appears that the patio
has sloped a little bit to the house. And I
went out and I examined it about a year ago,
because you can always see where that concrete not well
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abutted the foundation of the house. You can see where
that is. It was probably colocked at one time, and
it was down, but it was it was negligible. It
wasn't wasn't I don't know if I didn't use a level.
I was just looking to see the lay of it.
And it was till a little bit, but nothing to
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really cause any big issues. And I saw it a
couple of times this summer. I think, I think that
things dropped even more. And the other day I went
out there and uh, because you know, with winter coming,
and these are the things you really should pay attention to,
quite honestly, when winter comes, we get rain, we get snow,
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we get gunk and all that. And if moisture and
water and liquids are tilting towards the house or going
to run against that foundation, it has the potential to
cause a problem, which we'll get a all then, says, all.
My basement leaks, but only when it rains. That's because
it's catching that patio and it's focusing and pushing all
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that water to the foundation and it will leak. It
may not have a crack in the foundation, but that water,
you'll see water. So anyway, when I went out looked,
it had literally dropped. It's now about a half inch.
And so I got a one concrete leveling coming out
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and shooting me a cost of what it would cost
to lift that, which is going to be about a
third of the cost of heffen to replace that. But
grounds and the ground, the land it settles, and in
some areas in our area is one of them where
you start getting sinkles. You don't think you have sinkholes
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in Cincinnati, Oh yeah you do. I had a friend
of mine is landscaping started sinking around this foundation voids. Now,
you're not going to jack that up, right, But with
a patio, if it starts settling, you can. They'll drill
holes in that slab and they'll pump a cementatious crowding
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and they will literally lift that slab up. Anyway, those
are the things we need to pay attention this time
of year. Again. Our numbers eight hundred eighty two three
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Home with Gary Sullivan. By the way, if you missed
our conversation of wildlife that gets into your attic and
the repairs that it takes how to get it out,
you can check out our podcast. It's on the iHeart
app or wherever podcast starts at Home with Gary Salvin.
It'll be labeled accordingly, wildlife in the Attic. All right,
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you can join us again. It's eight hundred eighty two
three eight two five five. Ron, Welcome, Thank.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You for taking my call. Gary. It's good to speak
with you again.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I have a driveway question. Driveway was built in seventy two.
It's all stone, two cars wide. I would like to
replace it, I believe, with concrete or asphalt. And I
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have questions about concrete. I know you say about the
only thing guaranteed about concrete is that it will crack
and break eventually. Is there a way to avoid that
with proper use of remark and wire mesh?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Sure that certainly helps. Ron. There's you know a number
of things that you'll be talking to the contractor about
because he's going to order the concrete from the concrete supply.
But the first thing I guess is the strength of
the concrete in the thickness of the concrete. But generally
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on the driveway unless you got some large vehicles or
trucks or something like that. But normally the driveway is
about four thousand psi and then the apron would be
probably about six thousand psi. And so you know, the
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thickness of a driveway is usually gonna be you know,
four or five inches stick and the apron probably six
inches sticks a little thicker down there. And then you're
gonna get into the whole thing, and then you got
to start weighing your costs versus your benefit. You're gonna
you could do rebar, and you know, some contractors that's
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the only way they're going to do it is with reebar.
You're gonna have others that'll say mesh, metal mesh, and
I'm okay with that, okay, And then there's others that
are gonna say, oh, we can use fibrated cement and
I don't know, I kind of like the measure or rebar,
but measure is gonna be less expensive. And uh, then
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you you know, I mean that's kind of where you're
gonna go. You're gonna have to make a decision. Some
of them back in the nineties when money was flowing
everywhere and they were building the houses faster than they
could plan them. I observed in our area, which is
heavy clay soil, I saw driveways being poured run on
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top of mother earth. And that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Good.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, the old the old adages. You know, the only
thing basically, what they're saying is nobody really guarantees concrete.
But sure there's a you get a concrete contractor in
there with a good reputation, you're gonna have some choices
to make and they'll be honest and they'll educate you
through it. But uh yeah, I mean they use reborrown expressways.
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Not all of our driveways need that. But you know,
it all depends, right, I mean, you know, it all
depends on money and what they're gonna do, and uh
and what you want them to do.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Okay, I appreciate your help.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You're quite welcome. Thank you, Take care bye bye. Yeah,
we all have to make those kind of choices that
that is absolutely for sure. You know, earlier we were
talking about attic encapsulation and uh so, what's that involved.
We haven't really talked about that. I just always kind
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of tell you it's kind of a trend that you'll
see in uh more, in the hot weather climates southeast Southwest,
and that's really where the payoff is. Okay, I think
I've said it's creeping up in other areas of the country.
But the real payoff is when you have your air handler,
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duckwork and all that up in the attic and you're
in a really hot climate, and then you're definitely going
to have benefits. Whereas you know, we're pretty moderate climate,
maybe not so much. But really what it does is
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they really are encapsuling. They're going to seal off any
type of penetrations and I'm talking plumbing stacks, wiring, can lights,
the top plates so that air doesn't leak between the
attic and the living space, going to encapsulate, debt insulating
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the roof deck. That's usually done with a foam spray
applied directly the underside of the roof sheathing. And then
of course the vapor and moisture control always comes into play,
and humid climates of vapor barrier closed cell phoae is
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used to prevent moisture build up, and the benefits are
pretty amazing. And it also does other things too. It
to reduce the dust and allergens. It's going to increase
the HVAC life of equipment that's running in that conditioned space.
It'll help prevent ice dams because remember the underside of
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that roof is insulated. But there's also some of the
things to consider too, and one of them which we
haven't talked about, is the life of the roof. So
if you've got a newer roof, that'd be a perfect
time to do that. And sometimes floor installation is removed
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because we don't want to trap moisture in between the layers.
But again it really depends on where you're living. And
also building codes, some of them, especially with the air
handler up there, Some building codes in some areas are
going to require ignition barriers or fire retardant coatings and
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overspread the foam. Some will not anyway, just more things
to consider. So it's just not a you know, straight
up front, Oh, I think I'll just encapsulate that attic.
It's just another trend and a lot of it is geographical,
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and I talk about trends. We had somebody talking about
houses that are built in the twenty and thirties. It
sounded like they almost had a balloon foundation. And then
we've talked about for years there was no venting, There
was no ridge vents, there wasn't even soft events. Sometimes
there was soft events. Sometimes we got soft events and
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they don't even work. Sometimes we think we have attic ventilation,
but we don't because we don't have a clue what's
up there and what that venting is. I always talk
about putting a thermostat and a human emit, a stat
monitor downstairs, but the actual monitor where it's getting the data.
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Keep one inside your home and one in the attic,
or keep one outside and one in the attic, and
see where your temperatures are, see where your humidities are,
because all that's going to come into play on whether
that's a good idea or not, and how much of
a struggle things are having. You start seeing temperatures, I'm
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telling you, in the summertime it maybe be one hundred
and fifty degrees in somatics with no ventilation or no encapsulation.
Say it that way too, all right, it's eight hundred
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You're at home with Garry Salvin right here fifty five
care see detalk station. All right, back at it we
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go twelve forty seven. Chatting a little bit about our
home and home maintenance things to look for. We were
talking about encapsulation an attic. Earlier, we were talking about
UH and I really would like to delve into this.
I would like some inputs on what I was talking about. Everybody,
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everybody I talked to or in social media circles that
will stand there and say, like, this is absolutely ridiculous
these prices on electric I'm not disagreeing. I suffer the
same thing. But the real question is what are your
plans to do about that? How can you I know
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the I went up? Can we use less electricity or not?
And what have you investigated? Even silly little things like
it's not silly, you know, weather stripping the door, making
sure it's you know, nice and tight, right sealed off
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a little test. I've talked about it for years and years.
I'll do it again. If you wait till where it's
dark outside and you can stand with a little one
of these little tiny led fleshlights are perfect and just
go around where the door meets the jam at the
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top and down the sides, down at the bottom somebody's
outside piece of chalk and start putting chuck marks, maybe
on the brick or the siding, and showing where that
light penetration is. It might be a little bit horrif
how much of a gap you actually have there that
you can't see during the daytime, and that needs to
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be addressed. Or I was talking about old windows, and
I get it, you may not be in the market
for new windows. You know, there's a time for everything.
But I was mentioning there's calking where you can literally
calk a window closed, and after you do that, you
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can put the plastic shrink wrap over the inside casings
of the windows. So you've got to calk tight. And
then you know you can't open your windows. But who
opens their windows in the middle of the winter, right
You don't have to do it right now, but have
a plan to do that. You probably do all the
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windows in your house in a daytime, in one day
of the weekend, seal those babies off. You'd be amazed
at the savings there. And so what is that plan?
What are you planning to do to drive that price down.
All right, let's go to Jim.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Jim, welcome, I've good afternoons. Shirt. I want to ask
you a question. I want to ask you a question
about the roof attic encapsulation. My neighbor down here, he's
had to reroof his house but every fifteen years, and
he's got insulation up on his raffers. Will that makes
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the shingles too hot? Because if you've got addic ventilation,
it should cool your shingles down a lot, because if
there's no there's you encapsulate that there's nowhere.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, but when you encapsulated, I hear you, and it
could go either way. It depends what the rest of
that attict's like, Jim. So if he's got it up
there right now, it's probably not doing any good for anybody.
But if it's if it's truly encapsulated, there's insulation on
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the sidewalls or the attic and the underside of the roof,
and there is no ventilation. But your your environment inside
your home is getting into the attic. In other words,
you've made your attic be like a like a thermos bottle. Okay,
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it's not going to get real.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Lot well, that's all right. But what I'm saying is
if if you've got if you've got air flowing in
the attic, that keeps the underside of the angles cooler
because it see what I'm saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, but if you've got added, if you've got insulation
on the underside of your roof now and you're allowing
that air from the house to get in there, you
don't have that real hot air because see right now,
what we're doing. And I'm not advocating this because I'm
not sure. I don't think it's good for all areas
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of the country. But if I take my house for instance,
and right now, I keep the insulation on the floor, okay,
and I got my you know, fifteen sixteen inches on
the floor, and I put insulation on the under side
of the attic, and I insulate the walls. I'm insulating
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from the air and the house from coming in. I'm
insulating the air from the outside from coming in. So
it's kind of a thermos bottle.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, I'm just kind of curious that it wouldn't make
your shangles hotter, because if you've got to, if you've
got an open addic, get cool. So the underside of
the shangles.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, so it may make the shingles hotter. It's not
gonna make the attic hotter. But a lot of your
shingles now, a lot of your shingles now, have you
know that granular protection on the shingle is.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Is more.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Kind of a radiant barrier, so bounces that off more.
And you bring up a good point in the fact
that it would be really interesting. And I don't know
the answers. I'm bringing this up as a question whether
you what's that guarantee or warranty on that shingle, say,
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because there's a lot of things there too right now,
the one I've said seen recently in the last year
is ventilated properly, Okay, So I don't know if there's
a well, that's a good question. That's a good.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Question, because you're going to see that shangle up. If
you've got ventilation in your addic, that shingle's gonna stay
at a cooler temperature. And if you insulate your your rafters,
that shanngle does not cool down, it won't be just
as hot as.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
On the outside it would be on the outside, it
would be I don't know, but I do know the
Owens Corning shingling. I know for a fact up to
about a year or two ago. And I didn't see
a you know, a little footnote that's as well unless
you have uh, but it did say I forget did.
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I'm sure a lawyer wrote it, and it's written well,
but basically says, proper properly insulated. You know, if it's
not properly ventilated, voids the warranty if it's you know, so,
I think you've heard me saying the past that like
seventy percent of the roofs are not properly ventilated. So
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I don't know how whole house encapsulation works. That I
do know metal roof has great reflective qualities. And I'd
said that the whole house attic encapsulations are very prevalent
in the west, south, southwest and southeast, which you know,
kind of addresses what you're addressing. We have different types
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of roof there, but I don't know. I don't know
if it avoids the warranty.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, let me hear one more quick. Yeah, I
got a refrigerator. I did an AMPT test on load
test on I got me a new refrigerator coming and
that thing is forty years old and it's drinking electric.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, the newer ones are coming. Yeah, well that's a
good idea. Let me tell you the And I don't
have data to just recite it to you, but the
amount of you know, all the appliances have like the
sticker we have on cars on gas mileage and the
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energy efficiency on refrigeration, and you're doing something about it.
So I appreciate your input on there. Absolutely absolutely, it's
there's much much, much more efficient.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
It was drinking current. So I did it. Forgot what
it was now, but I got me a new. I
got me a new for each count.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
There you go, there you go. It'd be interesting. Let
me know if you feel the difference when you start
getting the bills. But if nothing else, we know you're
gonna save money. We know prices are going up. I
don't know about you. I'm trying to stay even.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, it's a down, it's a it's an uphill battle
on this.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No question.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
We're trying. Thanks much for the call, Jim, appreciate it.
Take care of have a good weekend, all right, man,
We are battling. I mean, you are trying to stay
it's frustrating. I think the one thing that would probably
make the biggest impact really is insulation, I really do.
I think there's probably a lot of homes that think
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they got all kinds of insulation up in the attic,
and then they find out quickly when you start inspecting it.
Oh geez, I don't you know I'm supposed to have
doing my calculation, I'm supposed to have sixteen inches. I
got ten. And that's why I'm saying, get if you
can't get up in the attic, get somebody up there
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with the yardstick, find out how deep that insulation is.
You can figure out what your R value is. It
always scares me really not getting up in the ag
and kind of inspecting it, because there's fans that are
vented in the attic and bathroom fans, and then you
got condensation, you can have mold, but having that inspected
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periodically again, if not you, somebody you can get up
there and that knows what they're looking for, would be
a huge benefit. Danny Boy, thank you very much. It
was a busy, busy day. I kind of looked forward
to tomorrow too. I'm sure we'll talk about plenty of
the things that we touched on today. Good Lord willing,
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Danny and I'll both be here for more. At home
with Gary Sullivan
Best time of the day. I get us sick it
afternoon and welcome to our number four at home with
Gary Salvan. By the way, we've got some open lines
outside of Harold, who we're going to get to in
just the second. All right, it's eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five, and go ahead and grab
a line. Happy to chat with you about your home
project and Harold, welcome aboard. How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gary?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Roll tied to you this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You got a game tonight right.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Six six thirty your time, seven thirty year time. I
know we had a couple of guys that did that.
When you went to them, they weren't on the line.
You think maybe they were checking to see what station
the game was on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, No, I think a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We're a little distracted, but maybe.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm being radio.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, main house is ninety four years old. I've got
cross faced about four or five about four feet and
I'm thinking about doing the encapsulation. What are the things
I need to ask the contractors that come out to bid.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, and we're talking about the cross base.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Area underneath the house.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yet it's dirt, so total encapsulation is the first thing
I guess the contractor should ask you is what is
the main purpose of encapsulation? In other words, you have
standing water? Is the soil moist Is there mold and
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mildew down there? Does it just smell bed or what
are we trying to do here?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No smells, no standing water?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I see a little mill dow every once in a while,
but nothing massive. Okay, we're having the having a kitchen redone.
And the contractor said that, I just I didn't see
a lot of mold that I saw some traces, and
so I said, well, maybe it's time to do the encapsuling.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, all right, good good, Well at least you don't
have a standing water or anything. Howl's the house.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Ninety four years ago?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Whoa baby? Okay, what do you got on there? Now?
Is it dirt or is there plastic on the ground
or anything?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Just dirt. I did add on six six years ago,
and they did put plastic down on the add on,
But the main sixteen hundred square feet probably it's just
just darkin easily accessible. Yeah, probably a good four feet
from there goin.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
To So really what they're doing is they're just checking
the moisture at the door and I'll get into that,
and they're creating insulations so that we don't have you know,
cold hitting warm and creating moisture and creating condensation which
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can attach to joist and cosmold. That's basically the process.
So what they'll be doing is you know, hopefully is
what they're going to be quoting you is just you know,
taking like a ten to fourteen mil plastic making it
you know, all the seams are covered and it's it's
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keeping all the ground moisture in period, and then running
up and insulating the sides of the walls even to
a point of where they're seiling off any type of
venting that's going into it. So it's totally encapsulated. If
you have any if you have any insulation on the
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underside of the of the kitchen, so at the top.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of the cross, there's no there's no insulation underneath the
four except the new parts that were added on six years.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, and they'll probably take that out because there won't
be a need for it. So what you'll have is
you have a relatively insulated moisture controlled area, which once
you control the moisture, the humidity, the ground moisture water
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coming in through the walls, you know, checkmate, I mean
you've solved the problems.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, don't put insulation between the floor.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Joists shouldn't have to because that will be warm. I
mean it's not going to be You're probably in it
warm anyway down there, but it'll be even more warm
because they will evculate the walls. They will eventulate the floor.
I mean, yeah, they'll probably tell you to take that down,
would be my guest. Or they'll take it down. I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
When you say ansel like the floor and what are
you talking about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, when they're putting the plastic down, a lot of
times they will pin it up a little bit and
they'll actually have like a foam under there. It really varies,
and it may vary where you live to Herald where
it just may be plastic and a ten to fourteen
mil vapor barrier similar to like what's under concrete, you know,
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So there's a and that itself will be an insulator.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So that's basically what they're trying to get. I mean,
they're just trying to take water out of the out
of the whole equation, because water is the root of
all evil in a house, and you know when you
also temperature variations, certainly you know I have something to
do because if it's if you got water radiating up
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through mother nature of the floor, the you know, the
dirt floor, and it has a you hit a really
cold night and it's kind of humid in there because
we had kind of a damn floor. You know that's
quickly going to cause conversation and that will eventually cause
mold for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, all right now, can you make the tide roll tonight?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't know, man, you think so?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
George is always up.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That'd be a good game. Enjoy it. But yeah, I'll
be pulling for you. How's that? Take care? Bye? I
love Harold. All right, let me give you the phone
number we got open lines. Like to talk to you
about your home project. I would certainly like to cover
some things, whether it's a summer project you're trying to
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put the bed, or maybe some of the things we've
talked about. And I don't think right now I'm dead
serious about this. I don't. I don't think we can
talk enough about ventially and insulation of our homes. I
get in different websites, I get emails I get read
(07:09):
different gatherings on social media and the amount of stories
that people are posting on the cost of energy. And
I don't mean this negatively, but the amount of whining.
(07:30):
But I never hear anybody talking about what they're doing
about it. And so I really come to you with
that question today, what are you doing about it? And
I know we we go. I mean, there's all kinds
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of options, and we've talked about some of them today
and some of them are just you know, it's not
like it's going to make your whole energy bill plummet.
But if you're sitting here today and I'm not trying
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to say windows here, but if you're sitting here with old,
rattling windows and you're saying, oh, my energy bill this
year's up thirty five percent, what are you doing about it?
You can see that those windows are probably not up
(08:37):
to standards, but there are other things you don't necessarily
have to replace the window. You can actually encapsulate that window.
There's calking. You can calk your windows closed in the
wintertime or the summertime, and then when that season passes,
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you can that calking off. So let's talk a little
or you know, when was the last time somebody really
looked in your attic and said, hey, you only got
like six to eight inches of insulation up there. Hmm, yeah,
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maybe you should add some insulation. So let's talk a
little bit about that. What are you thinking about doing?
Have you ever and boy, I hate to open up
this can of worms, I really really do. I'm not
probably efficient enough to give you good strong answers. But
(09:42):
have you really analyzed your provider on what you're paying
for and the fees you're paying for and gas and
electric delivery? Have you really did a spreadsheet? What a hassle?
Can you say? Money there? So what are you doing
(10:04):
about higher energy cost? If anything? Maybe it's just I'm
changing to filter more regularly. It's eight hundred eight two
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Our phone numbers eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five. Grab a line, Julie, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hi, thank you, you're okay?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can great perfect.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I have a house that's about twenty seven years old.
The original shutters. Two of them, actually three now have
blown off. We had two replaced and two came off again.
So this is the third total of three unique shutters,
and I ordered the same one for replacement. They have
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special screws and whatever plastic thing is supposed to hold
the screw in the thanks you coming out. If it
makes sense, use something like liquid nails to hold that
in or is that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
A mistake, Well, you can do that. You can use
the liquid nails. So I'm guessing that the what they're
sending you is some screws and then a plastic anchor
that goes in the mortar if it's brick, or into
the siding or is that close to what we're talking about.
So yeah, what you can do is it doesn't even
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have to be, uh, liquid nails. It could be when
you drill that hole, put a little dollop of silicone
in there, and then press that anchor in there. And okay,
if you want to set that all up and just
let that silicon drawer and then come back and run
(12:02):
the screws in there, the screws will still expand and
that might help you with them, you know, coming out.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Okay, perfect, Thanks, that's a great idea. Okay, I appreciate
you taking my call.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You're quite welcome. Thank you. Julie all right, and Belinda welcome.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Hi, Hi Gary. I used to advertise a company that
laser measured doors and then install them.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I like to know what the name of that company was.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
It was One Day Doors and Closets right over on
Mostella Road in Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Okay, But because I'm I'm thinking of replacing all the doors.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sure, sure, it's it's a great concept. It really is.
A lot of people think that I just go out
and buy some doors and I'll stand them up and I'll,
you know, take the screws out of the old ones
and I'll screw it into the new door, and it
just it doesn't work that way. Yeah. Different thing.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
My house is older and everything is like off size.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
It's like everything is unique.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, And even the thicknesses of hinges, over the course
of time change. So if you like giving an older house,
and you buy a door that's miterred for a hinge,
it might be miterred for a much thinner hinge, and
then the door won't close. So it is it Replacing
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the doors really requires normally a lot of carpentry. So
what one day doors and closets do is it come
out and the heck with the heck with the door
that's there, right, they will measure with the laser the top,
middle bottom with a laser measuring and they'll you know,
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also measure where the hinge and the mortis are and
all that and where the one day comes in. As
you know, they might be there for a few hours
measuring everything. And then when they're all done and you
get all kinds of choices on the types of doors
you want. When they're ready to go, they come in,
they take the doors out, they put the new doors in.
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There is no carpentry work. They're designed to absolutely fit
that space. It's and it's be honest with you. I
remember when I first met with them and we were
started comparing costs. It's it's actually very competitive of having,
you know, a carpenter come out and do all that
work for you. I mean they're just doing it and
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then coming out. It's kind of like the three day
kitchen and bath guy. You know, he does all the
work in the before and then when he's ready to
rock and roll and come to your house. It's you know,
it's all it's all designed to just fit.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, that really sounds great.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yep, there you go, you bet, thank you, bye bye,
all right, you can join us eight hundred and eighty two.
The website, by the way, is one Day Doors and
Closets dot com. One Day Doors and Closets dot com.
Is that the number one or the one?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Everything's spilled out there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right? Yeah? That was a that was a cool place.
And they have a real nice showroom. And you think
you're just going to go there and just get a door.
I mean telling you. They've got all different types of doors.
They've got litted glass doors, they got six panel doors,
they got flat doors, and so many homes, track built
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homes back in the seventy eighties and nineties, A lot
of times they were they're terrible doors in those houses.
I had one of those in you know, a lot
of times they were just hollow, very hollow, and it
was literally like masonite on it. And they were usually
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dark brown, and I remember small kids in the area.
I painted all those things out just to put some
color or some uh, lighten the color inside that home.
All those brown doors is just kind of a dreary house.
It's fine, but when you have paint over something like that,
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then you start running and with kids, you're gonna end
up with chips of white paint all over and you
start seeing the brown speckles. But these have hollow core
wood doors. They have solid wood doors. But yeah, we
haven't talked about that much. But that's a good alternative.
I love it. We thought about this and we're just
ready to make that move. Another good way. When we
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keep talking about our homes, you know there's things in
your home right now that are just stuff bugging you right,
there's things that you know aren't right. In fact, I
had it this week. I've been watching a patio at
the back of my house and I noticed it about
(17:17):
a year ago, and I thought, man, that doesn't look
like it has a positive grade away from the house.
You remember how I always talk about from waterproofing, water control.
You don't want the ground, you don't want the sidewalk,
you don't want the driveway, you don't want the patio
tilted towards the house. And just looking at it from
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inside the kitchen or family room out onto this patio area,
it just kind of it just appears that the patio
has sloped a little bit to the house. And I
went out and I examined it about a year ago,
because you can always see where that concrete not well
(18:01):
abutted the foundation of the house. You can see where
that is. It was probably colocked at one time, and
it was down, but it was it was negligible. It
wasn't wasn't I don't know if I didn't use a level.
I was just looking to see the lay of it.
And it was till a little bit, but nothing to
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really cause any big issues. And I saw it a
couple of times this summer. I think, I think that
things dropped even more. And the other day I went
out there and uh, because you know, with winter coming,
and these are the things you really should pay attention to,
quite honestly, when winter comes, we get rain, we get snow,
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we get gunk and all that. And if moisture and
water and liquids are tilting towards the house or going
to run against that foundation, it has the potential to
cause a problem, which we'll get a all then, says, all.
My basement leaks, but only when it rains. That's because
it's catching that patio and it's focusing and pushing all
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that water to the foundation and it will leak. It
may not have a crack in the foundation, but that water,
you'll see water. So anyway, when I went out looked,
it had literally dropped. It's now about a half inch.
And so I got a one concrete leveling coming out
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and shooting me a cost of what it would cost
to lift that, which is going to be about a
third of the cost of heffen to replace that. But
grounds and the ground, the land it settles, and in
some areas in our area is one of them where
you start getting sinkles. You don't think you have sinkholes
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in Cincinnati, Oh yeah you do. I had a friend
of mine is landscaping started sinking around this foundation voids. Now,
you're not going to jack that up, right, But with
a patio, if it starts settling, you can. They'll drill
holes in that slab and they'll pump a cementatious crowding
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and they will literally lift that slab up. Anyway, those
are the things we need to pay attention this time
of year. Again. Our numbers eight hundred eighty two three
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you can join us again. It's eight hundred eighty two
three eight two five five. Ron, Welcome, Thank.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You for taking my call. Gary. It's good to speak
with you again.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I have a driveway question. Driveway was built in seventy two.
It's all stone, two cars wide. I would like to
replace it, I believe, with concrete or asphalt. And I
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have questions about concrete. I know you say about the
only thing guaranteed about concrete is that it will crack
and break eventually. Is there a way to avoid that
with proper use of remark and wire mesh?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Sure that certainly helps. Ron. There's you know a number
of things that you'll be talking to the contractor about
because he's going to order the concrete from the concrete supply.
But the first thing I guess is the strength of
the concrete in the thickness of the concrete. But generally
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on the driveway unless you got some large vehicles or
trucks or something like that. But normally the driveway is
about four thousand psi and then the apron would be
probably about six thousand psi. And so you know, the
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thickness of a driveway is usually gonna be you know,
four or five inches stick and the apron probably six
inches sticks a little thicker down there. And then you're
gonna get into the whole thing, and then you got
to start weighing your costs versus your benefit. You're gonna
you could do rebar, and you know, some contractors that's
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the only way they're going to do it is with reebar.
You're gonna have others that'll say mesh, metal mesh, and
I'm okay with that, okay, And then there's others that
are gonna say, oh, we can use fibrated cement and
I don't know, I kind of like the measure or rebar,
but measure is gonna be less expensive. And uh, then
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you you know, I mean that's kind of where you're
gonna go. You're gonna have to make a decision. Some
of them back in the nineties when money was flowing
everywhere and they were building the houses faster than they
could plan them. I observed in our area, which is
heavy clay soil, I saw driveways being poured run on
(23:46):
top of mother earth. And that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Good.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, the old the old adages. You know, the only
thing basically, what they're saying is nobody really guarantees concrete.
But sure there's a you get a concrete contractor in
there with a good reputation, you're gonna have some choices
to make and they'll be honest and they'll educate you
through it. But uh yeah, I mean they use reborrown expressways.
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Not all of our driveways need that. But you know,
it all depends, right, I mean, you know, it all
depends on money and what they're gonna do, and uh
and what you want them to do.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Okay, I appreciate your help.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You're quite welcome. Thank you, Take care bye bye. Yeah,
we all have to make those kind of choices that
that is absolutely for sure. You know, earlier we were
talking about attic encapsulation and uh so, what's that involved.
We haven't really talked about that. I just always kind
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of tell you it's kind of a trend that you'll
see in uh more, in the hot weather climates southeast Southwest,
and that's really where the payoff is. Okay, I think
I've said it's creeping up in other areas of the country.
But the real payoff is when you have your air handler,
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duckwork and all that up in the attic and you're
in a really hot climate, and then you're definitely going
to have benefits. Whereas you know, we're pretty moderate climate,
maybe not so much. But really what it does is
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they really are encapsuling. They're going to seal off any
type of penetrations and I'm talking plumbing stacks, wiring, can lights,
the top plates so that air doesn't leak between the
attic and the living space, going to encapsulate, debt insulating
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the roof deck. That's usually done with a foam spray
applied directly the underside of the roof sheathing. And then
of course the vapor and moisture control always comes into play,
and humid climates of vapor barrier closed cell phoae is
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used to prevent moisture build up, and the benefits are
pretty amazing. And it also does other things too. It
to reduce the dust and allergens. It's going to increase
the HVAC life of equipment that's running in that conditioned space.
It'll help prevent ice dams because remember the underside of
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that roof is insulated. But there's also some of the
things to consider too, and one of them which we
haven't talked about, is the life of the roof. So
if you've got a newer roof, that'd be a perfect
time to do that. And sometimes floor installation is removed
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because we don't want to trap moisture in between the layers.
But again it really depends on where you're living. And
also building codes, some of them, especially with the air
handler up there, Some building codes in some areas are
going to require ignition barriers or fire retardant coatings and
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overspread the foam. Some will not anyway, just more things
to consider. So it's just not a you know, straight
up front, Oh, I think I'll just encapsulate that attic.
It's just another trend and a lot of it is geographical,
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and I talk about trends. We had somebody talking about
houses that are built in the twenty and thirties. It
sounded like they almost had a balloon foundation. And then
we've talked about for years there was no venting, There
was no ridge vents, there wasn't even soft events. Sometimes
there was soft events. Sometimes we got soft events and
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they don't even work. Sometimes we think we have attic ventilation,
but we don't because we don't have a clue what's
up there and what that venting is. I always talk
about putting a thermostat and a human emit, a stat
monitor downstairs, but the actual monitor where it's getting the data.
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Keep one inside your home and one in the attic,
or keep one outside and one in the attic, and
see where your temperatures are, see where your humidities are,
because all that's going to come into play on whether
that's a good idea or not, and how much of
a struggle things are having. You start seeing temperatures, I'm
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telling you, in the summertime it maybe be one hundred
and fifty degrees in somatics with no ventilation or no encapsulation.
Say it that way too, all right, it's eight hundred
eight two three, eight, two, five, five Grab a line.
You're at home with Garry Salvin right here fifty five
care see detalk station. All right, back at it we
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go twelve forty seven. Chatting a little bit about our
home and home maintenance things to look for. We were
talking about encapsulation an attic. Earlier, we were talking about
UH and I really would like to delve into this.
I would like some inputs on what I was talking about. Everybody,
(29:38):
everybody I talked to or in social media circles that
will stand there and say, like, this is absolutely ridiculous
these prices on electric I'm not disagreeing. I suffer the
same thing. But the real question is what are your
plans to do about that? How can you I know
(29:59):
the I went up? Can we use less electricity or not?
And what have you investigated? Even silly little things like
it's not silly, you know, weather stripping the door, making
sure it's you know, nice and tight, right sealed off
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a little test. I've talked about it for years and years.
I'll do it again. If you wait till where it's
dark outside and you can stand with a little one
of these little tiny led fleshlights are perfect and just
go around where the door meets the jam at the
(30:43):
top and down the sides, down at the bottom somebody's
outside piece of chalk and start putting chuck marks, maybe
on the brick or the siding, and showing where that
light penetration is. It might be a little bit horrif
how much of a gap you actually have there that
you can't see during the daytime, and that needs to
(31:05):
be addressed. Or I was talking about old windows, and
I get it, you may not be in the market
for new windows. You know, there's a time for everything.
But I was mentioning there's calking where you can literally
calk a window closed, and after you do that, you
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can put the plastic shrink wrap over the inside casings
of the windows. So you've got to calk tight. And
then you know you can't open your windows. But who
opens their windows in the middle of the winter, right
You don't have to do it right now, but have
a plan to do that. You probably do all the
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windows in your house in a daytime, in one day
of the weekend, seal those babies off. You'd be amazed
at the savings there. And so what is that plan?
What are you planning to do to drive that price down.
All right, let's go to Jim.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Jim, welcome, I've good afternoons. Shirt. I want to ask
you a question. I want to ask you a question
about the roof attic encapsulation. My neighbor down here, he's
had to reroof his house but every fifteen years, and
he's got insulation up on his raffers. Will that makes
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the shingles too hot? Because if you've got addic ventilation,
it should cool your shingles down a lot, because if
there's no there's you encapsulate that there's nowhere.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, but when you encapsulated, I hear you, and it
could go either way. It depends what the rest of
that attict's like, Jim. So if he's got it up
there right now, it's probably not doing any good for anybody.
But if it's if it's truly encapsulated, there's insulation on
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the sidewalls or the attic and the underside of the roof,
and there is no ventilation. But your your environment inside
your home is getting into the attic. In other words,
you've made your attic be like a like a thermos bottle. Okay,
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it's not going to get real.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Lot well, that's all right. But what I'm saying is
if if you've got if you've got air flowing in
the attic, that keeps the underside of the angles cooler
because it see what I'm saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, but if you've got added, if you've got insulation
on the underside of your roof now and you're allowing
that air from the house to get in there, you
don't have that real hot air because see right now,
what we're doing. And I'm not advocating this because I'm
not sure. I don't think it's good for all areas
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of the country. But if I take my house for instance,
and right now, I keep the insulation on the floor, okay,
and I got my you know, fifteen sixteen inches on
the floor, and I put insulation on the under side
of the attic, and I insulate the walls. I'm insulating
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from the air and the house from coming in. I'm
insulating the air from the outside from coming in. So
it's kind of a thermos bottle.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, I'm just kind of curious that it wouldn't make
your shangles hotter, because if you've got to, if you've
got an open addic, get cool. So the underside of
the shangles.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, so it may make the shingles hotter. It's not
gonna make the attic hotter. But a lot of your
shingles now, a lot of your shingles now, have you
know that granular protection on the shingle is.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Is more.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Kind of a radiant barrier, so bounces that off more.
And you bring up a good point in the fact
that it would be really interesting. And I don't know
the answers. I'm bringing this up as a question whether
you what's that guarantee or warranty on that shingle, say,
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because there's a lot of things there too right now,
the one I've said seen recently in the last year
is ventilated properly, Okay, So I don't know if there's
a well, that's a good question. That's a good.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Question, because you're going to see that shangle up. If
you've got ventilation in your addic, that shingle's gonna stay
at a cooler temperature. And if you insulate your your rafters,
that shanngle does not cool down, it won't be just
as hot as.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
On the outside it would be on the outside, it
would be I don't know, but I do know the
Owens Corning shingling. I know for a fact up to
about a year or two ago. And I didn't see
a you know, a little footnote that's as well unless
you have uh, but it did say I forget did.
(36:35):
I'm sure a lawyer wrote it, and it's written well,
but basically says, proper properly insulated. You know, if it's
not properly ventilated, voids the warranty if it's you know, so,
I think you've heard me saying the past that like
seventy percent of the roofs are not properly ventilated. So
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I don't know how whole house encapsulation works. That I
do know metal roof has great reflective qualities. And I'd
said that the whole house attic encapsulations are very prevalent
in the west, south, southwest and southeast, which you know,
kind of addresses what you're addressing. We have different types
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of roof there, but I don't know. I don't know
if it avoids the warranty.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, let me hear one more quick. Yeah, I
got a refrigerator. I did an AMPT test on load
test on I got me a new refrigerator coming and
that thing is forty years old and it's drinking electric.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, the newer ones are coming. Yeah, well that's a
good idea. Let me tell you the And I don't
have data to just recite it to you, but the
amount of you know, all the appliances have like the
sticker we have on cars on gas mileage and the
(38:00):
energy efficiency on refrigeration, and you're doing something about it.
So I appreciate your input on there. Absolutely absolutely, it's
there's much much, much more efficient.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
It was drinking current. So I did it. Forgot what
it was now, but I got me a new. I
got me a new for each count.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
There you go, there you go. It'd be interesting. Let
me know if you feel the difference when you start
getting the bills. But if nothing else, we know you're
gonna save money. We know prices are going up. I
don't know about you. I'm trying to stay even.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, it's a down, it's a it's an uphill battle
on this.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No question.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
We're trying. Thanks much for the call, Jim, appreciate it.
Take care of have a good weekend, all right, man,
We are battling. I mean, you are trying to stay
it's frustrating. I think the one thing that would probably
make the biggest impact really is insulation, I really do.
I think there's probably a lot of homes that think
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they got all kinds of insulation up in the attic,
and then they find out quickly when you start inspecting it.
Oh geez, I don't you know I'm supposed to have
doing my calculation, I'm supposed to have sixteen inches. I
got ten. And that's why I'm saying, get if you
can't get up in the attic, get somebody up there
(39:24):
with the yardstick, find out how deep that insulation is.
You can figure out what your R value is. It
always scares me really not getting up in the ag
and kind of inspecting it, because there's fans that are
vented in the attic and bathroom fans, and then you
got condensation, you can have mold, but having that inspected
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periodically again, if not you, somebody you can get up
there and that knows what they're looking for, would be
a huge benefit. Danny Boy, thank you very much. It
was a busy, busy day. I kind of looked forward
to tomorrow too. I'm sure we'll talk about plenty of
the things that we touched on today. Good Lord willing,
(40:06):
Danny and I'll both be here for more. At home
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