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Speaker 1 (00:12):
All right, it is that time. Taking a look outside
where I am, the sun's out. If I looked at
the last three days, it was kind of cold and
gloomy and very very gloomy, and that reminds me all
about plumbing. When it gets cold and gloomy, that's when
we need our help from our friends at Roota Ruter.
And that's exactly who I have, Paul Abrams. Paul, welcome

(00:35):
again to that home with Gary Sullivan. Good to see you, Gary, Yes, sir,
how you doing all right?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know you were talking about that gloominess and yeah,
I'm out of hibernation. I'm waiting for the sun to
come out and I'm going to finish all of my
winter rising today.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well, let's talk a little bit about that, because Rota Ruter.
What a legacy name. I know you guys are throughout
the United States and you know that name. Just when
we start talking about plumbing and pipes, that name just
pops in many of our heads. And on your website
I've said this main time, paulse you got really informative

(01:12):
website that talks about what to do in the fall
and what to do in the winter. And let's just
go through some of those fall maintenance tips if you
don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, sure, well you said it. I mean, we've got
so much information at rotoroter dot com. If you miss
something that Gary and I talk about today, go there
search winter Rising and you'll find all kinds of blogs
and videos and things like that. But yeah, if I
had to say, you know, the number one thing that

(01:41):
causes problems is is frozen pipes, and it's usually that
outdoor faucet. So everybody listening go out there after this.
Disconnect your outdoor hoses for sure, before you cover them
up with a foam insulation kit, watch them for a
few minutes and make sure they aren't dripping, because if
they are, you might have a leak there and it's

(02:02):
best to fix that before winter arrives.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
For sure. For sure. Yeah, I've been preaching that since
probably about mid September. You know, it's so important. I mean,
you know, there's two different types of faucets, and some
people think that frostproof faucet prevents everything, But if that
garden hose is attached to it and there's water in it,
it's just back flowing back into that pipe and you're

(02:26):
going to have a problem for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh yeah, you know, I've got those frostproof hose beds
in my home, and I don't have the disconnects down
in the basement that I have to drain out. But
I know a lot of people do, right, People forget
to do that. And if you've got those, you know,
go shut that valve off, go outside and drain it out,
let all the water get out of the system, and

(02:51):
then cover it with a with a foam insulation kit
and you know, rest easy this winter without that extra
worry of sure of a frozen pipe bursting.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
You know, heaven doing you know, doing this show for
like thirty nine years, Paul, I always equate winter time
with water heater questions. Now, the water heater for the
most parts insideer home? What what what do we have
to do if anything? Or is that just I know,
when it gets cold outside, it's tough on plumbing.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It is, you know, it's the it's that elephant in
the room that we all want to ignore. We know
it does its job, makes a little rumble here and there,
but for the most part, it's awfully dependable, your water heater.
So you know, let's give it a little love. This
is a good time of year to go check it out.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know, feel around the pipes going in the inlet
the outlet, make sure there's no leaks up there. Look
around the base of it if you uh, if you
see any water around the floor that could have been
coming out of that uh. That tube that runs down
the side of your water heater is connected to your
temperature and press relief out and if that thing's burping

(04:03):
and shooting water out, that means your heater is either
getting too hot or it's developing too much pressure in
the tank, and you want to deal with that before
winter too. But you know, it's a great time fall
to to drain down, flush out the sediment that accumulates
in the bottom of your water heater, so that you'll
find instructions at rotorator dot com on how to do that.

(04:24):
There are great YouTube videos showing you how to do that.
But you'll save yourself a lot of trouble and extend
the life of that water heater by draining that sediment
out of the bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Every year, you know, we talk about that and sometimes
you can just drain off like two or three gallons
and remember that water's hot, and you know it'll be
kind of uh, you know, rusty colored or something along
those lines, that it'll be clear and you're probably good
to go. One caution I've used in the past. I
don't know how you feel about this. If you're somebody

(04:56):
that's listening right now and that hot water heater is
for the water here is twelve years old and you've
never drained it, sometimes that sentiment's kind of holding the
water heater together.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, you know, you're right, they say eleven years is
the life expectancy of a typical conventional water heater. Yeah,
if you've never done it before, you're right, Gary, you
might be inviting some problems starting that ten or twelve
years into the life of your water heare. Oh boy,
if it isn't broke, don't fix it at that point.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, it's great to start out doing that and keep
doing it, but boy, if you haven't done anything, it
might be a little more cautious. How about the some
pump we've had some decent rains at least where we're
at testing them. If you haven't had a lot of rain,
probably a real good idea.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, and you know that's some pump. You know, if
you're getting heavy rain in the fall, you can get
down and watch it. If there's water coming into the pit,
you want to see if that pumps turning itself on,
draining most of the water out of the pit, and
then turning itself off again without any trouble. And if
you don't have water in the pit right now, you

(06:08):
can run a garden host through the basement window works,
get a five gallon bucket and pour it in that
pit and make sure the pump's doing its thing and
if it isn't, or if it's hot, nothing, something's off
running too long. I've had one to do that before.
It's a good time to get it, get it taken

(06:28):
care of before winter, because before you know it, we're
going to have the spring thaws and there's going to
be a lot of groundwater seeping into basement walls and floors.
Oh yeah, and you want that some pump to be
working when it's time for it.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
To be working, no doubt about that, No doubt about that.
And before long it's also going to be hard freeze times.
And I know you started out talking about frozen pipes,
and gosh, I can just imagine just how busy you
get on a day where it's ten below zero and
pipes are freezing. Give me some areas, or give my

(07:04):
listeners some areas where to inspect looking for pipes that
are exposed. If you've lived in a house for thirty years,
you probably know where it's vulnerable. But where should we
be looking for pipes that could freeze?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, you know, any pipes that are exposed to the
elements are a little colder with those outside walls. We
talked about the hose bibs, the ones that are connected
to hose bitch. Once you've taken care of those, if
you've got a crawl space, or if you've got pipes
running through your garage or your attic like that in Florida,

(07:41):
you'll want to take a look at those and know
the difference between a water supply pipe, which is usually copper,
it might be pecks and could even be cast iron,
and a drain pipe, which is usually PVC or they're
usually a larger diameter. That's the easy way to know

(08:01):
the difference, right, you know, if we've seen people gary
that they think they've they've insulated their pipes and looking
at that cross base or looking under a pier and
beam home and find out they put pipe insulation around
a drain line, but they've neglected their water supply pipes,
and if drain lines are pitched properly, you usually don't

(08:22):
have to worry about those freezing. Other are always exceptions,
but it's the water supply pipes that There's copper lines
especially that will and see PVC and those things, you
want to make sure you've got good insulation on them.
If you've got a pipe that is especially vulnerable, you
can run thermostat controlled heat tape or heat cable that

(08:45):
will keep that pipe from freezing. I've got one right
now running on my backflowsalve outside connected to my sprinkler
system because they're not going to be able to get
to me until for another week or so, and we're
already getting it dipping into freezing temperatures and that's all
it takes to do damage.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, that's a good point. And you know, I guess
those vulnerabilities are different in different areas too. You're talking
about Florida, and I'm not in Florida, so I forget
about that. They get freezing cold temperatures sometimes too, and
the protection on those pipes isn't quite as great in
the Midwest, where I am a little different ball game.

(09:23):
But you get some older housing, no insulation in walls,
and you know block construction, and that copper pipes running
right along that block underneath the kitchen sink. That that's
vulnerability as height.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And what you have to think about is when it
when a pipe freezes, you know, it creates pressure. There's
an ice block in there, and it creates pressure. And
that pressure's got to give somewhere. And that's why they
tell you, you know, you can leave your leave your
at least some thinks trickling during extreme cold periods, it
leaves the pressure. So if you get something freezing, that

(10:01):
pressure is going to go somewhere, and often it's out
the side of the pipe wall, right yeah, first fine.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, yeah. I was just gonna say, even if you
have one of those situations that I just described, you know,
leaving the cabinet doors opened, and uh, you know, if
you don't have any foam sleeves around that copper that's
something you can do today because we always love to
put that off.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Them at the big box doores and uh, you know,
keep some of that stuff ranging never know when you're
gonna need it.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I know, folks call rotor ruter when they have plumbing
problems and also drain problems. Is there any drain maintenance
a homeowner can do anytime of the year. Yeah, things
are just running a little slow.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sure, when things are slow, Uh, you know, you think
about your house, which drains typically run slow. The shower
drain in my house run same here slow from time
to time. And me and my wife has longer hair
and boy, but it seems like, you know, every six
months or so, I got to slow drain in there.
So you can get one of those little you know,
the little plastic drain widgets that you put down in

(11:10):
there and even put a hook in a metal coat hanger.
Push it down in that pipe, twist it around a
few times, go fishing. I said, right, pull back and
you'll be surprised what you catch down there. Do that
two or three times until nothing else is coming up.
That takes care of it. And then after you've cleaned it.
There's a lot of these bioins. I'm drain care products

(11:33):
aren't caustic, and and you know with the fumes and everything,
they're natural products and those that you introduce good bacteria
down into the pipes. And it eats away. A lot
of that gunk doesn't work instantly, but you leave it
sitting there overnight, it works miracles sure.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And we put so much of that gunk in there ourselves.
I mean, our toothpaste has gelling it, our shaving cream
is gelling it, our hairspray has gelling it. Everything we
use in a bathroom has gel in it. That makes
the inside of those pipes nice and tacky, and it
kind of collects things. And you're right, those enzyme products
do a pretty good, pretty good job. I've used one

(12:13):
called Drainbow. Just put the plug in the vanity bowl
and put some warm water in there and pour some
of the drain Bow in there. Let's sit about ten minutes.
It activates it, and pull the plug and let's sit overnight.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, there are great products. You know. This week, of
all ways, you mentioned at the top, we're coming into
Thanksgiving and plumbers called brown Friday. It's the busiest day
of the year for roto Router and most plumbing companies
and most markets because drains just get overloaded. You get
a house full of guests and they're taking extra showers,

(12:49):
they're they're flushing the toilet more often, running the disposal
and making a big meal in the kitchen. All those
things come together. It's a perfect storm for your drain system.
And that's why so many dreams back up on Thanksgiving
and the Friday after.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So if I have twenty potatoes toppeel on Thursday, I
don't take all the scraps and shove them down the disposal.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It happens every year and every town.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, Well, we've been preaching a little bit of
that too. One thing I will say, and I think
it was in I don't know, one of our conversations,
or it was in one year commercials or something, but
I've really latched onto this, and that is, if you
are not comfortable doing plumbing and we all got to

(13:40):
know where our strengths, or you don't have the time
to do it, to create kind of an ongoing list,
almost like a shopping list. You know, vanity sink, slow drip,
toilet flushes itself. In other words, when you call rotor router.
If you have multiple small jobs, very very efficient at

(14:03):
getting that taken care of and save yourself a little
money at the same time.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, create a punch list because you get second job discount,
third job discount, fourth job discount. So you know, rather
than pay you know, oh, let's just have him deal
with this one issue. It actually saves you money. Sure
while the plumber's in your house, to have him knocked
out any of the problems that you're that you're worried about,

(14:29):
that you're dealing with it, it's a lot less expensive
in the long run.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Very good, Paul, thanks for joining us today. A happy Thanksgiving.
I hope you're not too busy Friday. And again, folks,
that website is rotoreruter dot com. You can get a
lot of good information. Schedule a visit with Rotor Ruter
to your home if you'd like. And Paul, thanks again.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
My pleasure, Gary, Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Thank you, take care all right, very good, Thank you
very much, Paul. I enjoy the conversation we have throughout
the years, and they do a great, great job for you.
Get a lot of compliments about the folks at Rotor Router.
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