55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Brigham McCown, Cong Taylor, Jack Windsor

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Events in any event.

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The presidents trip to the Middle East.

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Peace Fields and Trey Fields, Checky and Real Talk.

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Fifty five KRC, the Talk station by BO five. If
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Happy Fridays, some say.

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The vacation there it is? You know, it's Friday with
the WUHU. Thank you Joe Checker. Executive producermon name was
Brian Thomas. It's the fifty five KRC Morning Show and
looking forward to the lineup we got this morning as
always on Friday at six thirty Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. Today, Dave,
we'll be talking about GROCK four. What is grock for?

(01:00):
Described as the world's smartest artificial intelligence followed by the
public trust in artificial intelligence is apparently declining a lot
of articles out there to give you a basis for
declining trust in AI. And finally, FaceTime will now be
sending a warning if it detects nudity. All right, Briga

(01:20):
McCowan Charge Conversations and he'll be in studio Love with
him and Brigham in studio talk about energy policy. Charged
Conversations his podcast. You got to check that one out.
It's brilliant. He is Hudson Institute. Brigha mccollwin stops in
to talk about his conference in Europe that he just
returned from, and what the hell is going on in

(01:40):
Europe regarding energy policy. It's on an article the other
day about how Germany has just really cut its throat
with energy policy. Also, they have a very very very
big problem with illegal well it's not illegal immigration in Europe.
They have open borders, but they don't stop anybody from
coming in. So they're overwhelmed with immigration. And of course

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the more people you have, the more energy you need.
Same thing we have going on here with our housing problems.
The more illegal immigrants that came into our country, the
bigger the strain on the housing market. People got to
sleep somewhere, driving rents up across the country. So Briga
mccollin seven oh five will get him for an hour,
followed by Congressman David Taylor. David Taylor returns talking about
the big, big, beautiful, big beautiful broad Blood Bill. I

(02:25):
just really disdain that name, just don't like it. But
what's in it that's good? A lot of people complaining
about what's in it that's bad, or at least that
they perceive to be bad. David Taylor will talk about
what's in the bill that's really good, followed by Jack
wins Or the return of Jack wins Or, editor in
chief of the Ion Press Network. Veto overrides on budget.
That's what we just talked about the other day, Americans

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for Prosperity at Donovan and Neil talking about their efforts
and the return of our elected officials to talk about
overriding Governor de Wines Veto of the property tax relief provisions.
Know why he had a goal going after those. They
really didn't do a whole lot, but it was a
baby step in the direction of providing homeowners and property

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uners with some measure of relief against the outrageous increases
in property taxes. Something has to be done, but Governor
de Wine wasn't allowing that to happen. So probably be overridden.
Let's hope they will. Plus, small business owners in Ohio
are struggling to fill jobs. Jack will talk about that
and what a shame, and you know, on the heels
of the big beautiful bill requiring a work requirement. Look,

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apparently small business owners have jobs that need to be filled.
If you're on the public dole. And you're a working
age individual without children, young children anyway, and you are capable.
You are not disabled, you're not a mom with babies
or anything like that. Why aren't you participating? Look twenty hours,
well maybe career development, twenty hours of community service, whatever.

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Get out there and start participating. That's the point of it.
You're getting other people out here in the tax paying
world to feed, clothes, shelter and house you. If you're
in you fall within a category where you are otherwise
just objectively capable of working. Shouldn't you at least lift

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a finger to move in that direction? That's the point.
And the social welfare safety net was usually designed to
provide you with a leg up during hard and difficult
times in order to get you off of the social
welfare safety net temporary as temporary as it can be.

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It's there for you in times of trouble. And then
you get out of trouble and here we are offering
you all kinds of opportunities to get you out of
that kind of trouble. There's job training and programs out there.
There's a multitude of social services out there to help
you achieve the goal of independence or at least moving
toward that direction. And this is not a period of
time in our economy where there are no jobs out there.

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There are jobs, so the timing couldn't be better for
the wark obligation from my perspective, and most notably, I
will emphasize an underscore as I do all the time, trades,
Lord Almighty, there's so many opportunities in the trades. So
there's your lineup for this morning. Pause as they take
a quick drink of coffee to try to wake me up.
Five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty eight hundred and

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eighty two to three talk pound five fifty on AT
and T Funds. I'm not quite sure where to start
this morning, but let's start locally, since you know, we
had a week that was dominated by all the crime
in the in the greater Cincinnati area, most notably in
downtown Cincinnati. Of course, on the heels of the death
of Patrick Herringer, Sarah Herringer is still outspoken about the

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city stepping up to the playton doing something to protect
the citizenry from the violence that is going on in
the streets, and so she had a word or two
to say on the heels of the public safety meeting
that the mayor and police Chief Thiji and the city
manager held the other day, claiming that crime is actually down.
Sarah disagrees with that, and she issued yet another public

(06:06):
statement along those lines. But let me start with this
one because she addresses it and something that I brought
up the other day. I'm bringing up all the time.
You talk with the police, you talk with the mayor,
old candidate, you talk with the candidates running for city council.
They all want to address crime. But the problem seems
to be judges. How do you deal with the judges
who refuse to move forward with cases against most notably juveniles.

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Juveniles are out there committing all kinds of crimes, quite
often with firearms, attacking police officers, as we saw with
the Red, White and Blue ash festival that happened where
we had all those four hundred or so teenagers running amok,
shooting fireworks at people, including police officers. Got to be
held accountable. But as we've learned from the police, when
you arrest the child for violating curfew, we're committing these

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types of acts. Once you get in front of a judge,
the judge quite often just dismissed the charge outright, and
we had that happen just the other day, so we
had prosecutors charging the Hamilton County Prosecutors. A thirteen year
old who was arrested at that festival July fourth, this
after police said he set off fireworks in the crowd.
Body camera footage shows the red firework going up in

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the air. Multiple police officers ran to the area where
it came from reports throughout the night of young people
doing this. Some people thought it was gunfired, some people
called nine to one one. After the event ended, police
work to clear Summitt part. Police chased after the team
who let that firework off. He was running away along
with several others. Officers took the thirteen year old to

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the ground put in handcuffs. Blue Ash Police reported one
officer suffered a burn to the leg caused by the firework.
Of the six people arrested in connection with the disturbance,
the thirteen year old faced the most serious charges, disorderly
conduct inducing panic and a felony count of assault on

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a police officer. Showed up before Magistrate Tracy Hill in
the Hamilton County Juvenile Court. Magistrate Hill did i dismissed
the assault on a police officer charge and the disorderly
conduct charge for what she said was lack of probable cause. Now,
fortunately the prosecutor's officer didn't take it lying down. They

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have filed an objection to that decision. According to the
Hemmon County prosecutors are with the magistrate determined the probable
cause was insufficient based off of a review of items
excuse me, outside the charging document. The state presented a
validly attested to complaint that satisfies all elements of the
charge defenses, including assault on the police officer. Probable cause

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at the initial plea is not probable cause to proceed,
but probable cause to hold. Now, for his part, the
teen's lawyers said the juvenile court rules dictate the magistrates
considered the complaint but also accompanying documents. He said that
documentation did not indicate the intentionality of the act. So

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apparently one of the elements of the charge on the
assaulting an officer is that you did it with intent
to assault the officer. These are things that the prosetitution
is going to have to prove a trial. But if
you got the evidence, the video footage of the juveniles
shooting the firework off and maybe the firework hitting the
police officer intent can be established down the road. And
that's the argument from the prosecutor's office. So but you

(09:22):
see right here, this is judicial activism in the sense
they won't allow it to proceed. So Sarah Herringer writes
on Facebook just the other day and she addresses this,
not that specific case, but the problem generally. She wrote,
today's city leaders stood before canvas Is just two days
ago and offered a polished narrative. Crime is done. We've

(09:43):
had a good first week of July. Shootings are down
seventeen percent year to date. As someone living in the
intersection of violent crime, public figure and institutional silence, I
no longer had the luxury of pretending this is acceptable.
This is what happens when public safety is reduced to
a press release. Let's correct the record while they celebrate
one data point, here's what they omitted. Violent crimes up

(10:05):
eleven to seventeen percent compared to last year. Homicides are
up one hundred and twenty five percent in the past
twenty eight days. Over one thousand property crimes recorded in
the last month two hundred and fifty plus auto thefts
two hundred and fifty five vehicle break INDs and at
least thirty four stolen firearms that's been widely reported. I
might interject juvenile suspects responsible for crimes including rape, murder,

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and aggravated assault are routinely charged as miners and released
back into the public, repeat violent offenders of being returned
to the streets by judges with no public accountability, and
not to mention, I no mention of this from the
city leadership. Most notable omission I might interject as well,
and all this has occurred within the backdrop of what

(10:45):
the mayor and police chief described as a good week.
Let's look at that good week more closely. July first
through ninth a week of chaos, not progress. July first,
six people shot, one killed in separate incidents across the
city before sunrise. Red White and Blue ash. July fourth,
crowd of four hundred plus juveniles insided panic with fireworks,
trampling families and children. One officer burned, Four juveniles and

(11:07):
two adults were arrested for inciting panic and assaulting officers.
July fourth through seventh, at least three separate shootings accurred,
including a killing of a fourteen year old Taekwon Jones,
Alexander and Avondale, and a mass shooting near the banks
that hospitalized three people. July fifth, four more overnight shootings
and wanted Hills, Wooden Hills, Westwood and over the Rhine,
resulting in additional injuries and fatalities. These happened mere hours

(11:30):
after the new street Crimes task Force was announced. Block
party blocked by ambulance access that was the one in
Cliffe and the police showed up. They were assaulted by
the crowd. Dozens of arrests, hospitalizations, and neighborhood lockdowns, all
in the span of nine days. This is what leadership
now defines as progress. My husband wasn't shot. He was

(11:54):
stabbed to death in our home. He died fighting off
a man who was attacking me. The man brought a
ten inch blade and had every up oportunity to be
stopped before even step footing on our property. He was
known to law enforcement. He was a wall. He was
not apprehended. Patrick, her husband bled out in our hallway
because the system, the same one now asking for applause,
did nothing. He died a hero. The system died a coward.

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Where is the pressure on judges, she asks City leadership
is quick to promote drones, task force and disruption tactics,
but there's no mention of the judges responsible for returning
violent offenders to the street. There is no public accountability
when juveniles with extensive records are released after committing crimes
that irreversibly damage families. Why are city leaders silent about

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the judiciary? Why is there no outrage when justice fails
at the point of release. Why isn't the same intensity
used to confront the revolving door of court appointed violence
or court approved violence. Because it's easier to manage perception
than it is to confront power. They've reduced public safety

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to fit a headline. Public safety is not a single
statistic or a drone in the sky. It's not a
photo op with officers or a well let press conference.
It's whether people feel safe in their homes, at parks,
at public events, and whether the system protects them before
something happens, not after. We're watching Now isn't leadership, it's
crisis management posing as competence. This isn't the first time

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public officials have tried to control the story rather than
confront the truth. But if we let it happen again,
It won't just cost public trust, it will cost more lives.
We're not just fortifying safety, we're fortifying justice. Every time
city leader's dodge responsibility, another family carries the weight of
their silence, and we will not carry it quietly. Sarah Herringer,

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she hit the nail on the head on that one,
didn't she Again, just part of the component of the
deafening silence from our administration. Five eighteen fifty five care
City talk station phone calls are welcome. Got more to
talk and I'll be right back after these freefords fifty.

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By twenty two it is Friday, and a happy one
too you five one three seven fifty five hundred eight
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T bums baus for Lemmy, Yeah, little help you help
you get out of bed? Music this morning, As is
always the case on a Friday, I just found this

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rather bizarre related to really nothing I've been talking about.
Of course, as we start out this morning. Governor Tim Waltz, Minnesota,
you remember him, don't you come. It's widely reported he
spent four hundred and thirty thousand dollars in state taxpayer
money to prepare for a House congressional hearing probe into

(14:53):
the governor's sanctuary city policies simple questions on sanctuary city right.
According to the Star Tribune in Minnesota, they got documents
showing that Walt's office can contracted with some law firm
named cairned el Grades, described as high profile to prepare

(15:13):
for the governor's hearing in front of the House Oversight Committee,
which dealt with questions about his another Blue state governor's
sanctuary city policies, simple enough right. In one month May,
Waltz incurred legal fees of about two hundred and thirty
two thousand dollars, and as they analyze that that works

(15:34):
out to a rate of about five hundred and sixteen
dollars per legal hour, worked of the illustration of how
crazy it is to retain outside council. According to the
report Cano Gates, this law firm worked with Waltz's office
between April tenth and and the day of the June
twelfth hearing, costing taxpayers a total of four hundred and
thirty thousand dollars for the preparation work. One of the

(15:58):
Minnesota GOP report as Jim Nash said, half a million
dollars of taxpayer money to prepare the governor to go
to his old stomping grounds, which he was an elected
officially he's been there, seems exorbitant particulars since the ag
for the State of Minnesota was in Congress with Waltz
at the same time, and the two of them certainly
could have figured out how to do what they were
needing to do, in other words, just answer questions. One

(16:23):
other representative, Harry Niska, Tim Walt's been twelve years in Congress.
He knows that those hearing rooms inside and out, and
he certainly knows how to conduct himself in that type
of setting. So what did the governor field that need
to spend foreign in thirty thousand dollars a taxpayer money
on private firm to prepare for this hearing? There appears
to be no legitimate legal interests of the state racking

(16:43):
up nearly half a million dollars what amount so pr
consulting as he tries to lay the groundwork for a
presidential campaign that's going absolutely nowhere. He described as unconscionable
to make hard working Minnesota taxpayers pay for the governor's
personal national political aspirations be that as it may, ask
yourself this question, why would the governor of a state
who embraces firmly embrace his sanctuary city policies? Why is

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it that he would need help preparing to answer questions?
Do you know the answer to the question? Maybe you
don't know the answer, you said, I'm sorry, I don't
know the answer to the question. I don't recall. Are
you in favor of sanctuary city policies? Yes or no? Yes,
I am How difficult is that you gotta spend an
entire month and almost half a million dollars to help
anticipate what could or could not be asked and how

(17:32):
he might answer them. Shouldn't this be information that is
right at the forefront of his melon, or maybe he's
trying to hide something.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
One of Walt's spokespersons had this to say. They were
too busy performing for the cameras to even feign interest
in hearing from Governor Waltz about Minnesota's balanced approach to immigration.
What's most frustrating is that Tom Emmer and Pete Stauber
planned this spectacle knowing that it would cost what it
would cost and when through with it anyway, Well, it
didn't have to cost Tim Waltz a dime or the

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Minnesota taxpayer's a dime. If Tim waltss goes in and
answers questions, honestly, why does one need legal preparation for that.
He's not facing an indictment or some criminal charge. He
doesn't have to worry about asserting his right to Fifth
Amendment right to be free of incriminating oneself. It's simple
questions about sanctuary city policies. Not the first governor who's

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done this. Boston Mayor Michelle wou said earlier this year
after attending and hearing in the nation's capital, she expected
to pay about six hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
the law firm that helped her prepare Denver, the city
quarter of a million dollars for outside legal counselor earlier
this year to prepare their mayor Mike Johnson for congressional hearing. Mean,

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just answer the question, Just answer the question. I need
to sit down with a lawyer to know the answer
to a question. If I'm being honest to my constituents
on a regular basis, if I can support my policies
if I can sport my philosophies. Something tells me he couldn't,
which is why I needed half a million dollars almost
of legal assistance. By twenty seven, Ron, I see you there.

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I will be more than happy to take your call.
Just got to pause for a moment for these brief words.
It'll be right back. Fifty five KRC the talk station an.

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Official message.

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Ten and nine first one to one the four KASS
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eighty eight seventy one degrees. Right now, if you five
KRECD talk station five thirty on ey Friday, Happy Friday,
one hour from now Tech Friday with Dave Hatter and
being timing, go over to the phones. Ron was kind
enough to hold over the break, Ron, thanks for holding
Welcome in the Morning show.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
No problem, Sorry I missed Wednesday's lunch. I wish you
would have said, the place we're going to be at
is behind such and such building. I would have known
exactly where.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Was at the first time I was over there. I
always look at Google Maps or some other map program
before I go anywhere, just so I get a bird's
eye view. So I knew exactly where to turn. But
that's because I plan ahead. I do have GPS in
my in my car. You know, the map took me
exactly where it was, but it was tucked back a
little bit. Because my advanced planning, I knew that it
was tucked back a little bit. So apologies, Ron, But

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first time I should.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Have called my son Brian, because you know, I called
him Wednesday night and said, where's this place? Always behind
Arthur's huh?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
No, huh, now on the other side of the street,
and before you get to Arthur's, or no, it's not
even close to Arthur's. Arthur's isn't even the same neighborhood anyway.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Well, yeah, but it was.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's all right, Ron, and we'll see it the next one.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Hopefully, well, hopefully where's it going?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Do you know I think we're going to be at
Weedhaman Brewery again.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Oh okay, okay, okay, yeah, I was selling Joe. You
talked about the things of Blue Ash. They had the
same thing as Hubert Heights up here. Some teenagers leading
off some fireworks and stuff, and apparently somebody threw a
bunch of a barrel or something and one guy got
his hand burnt badly and another one got maybe a

(21:26):
finger blowing off or something. But yeah, what are you
going to do? You know the parents are right there watching.
You know you're going to arrest the parents instead of
the kids. I mean it's you shake your head sometimes.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I as It's one thing to you know, a
light off fireworks if your quote unquote supervised by your
elders and have their tasted permission for you to do.
It's another one to gather in a gang of four
hundred and run them up in a public festival and
put other people in danger by firing off fireworks at
them and police officers. I think it's a huge difference
between the two. Just my thought, Tom, Welcome to the

(22:03):
Morning Show, Happy Friday, to you friend.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Oh, good morning. You were talking about something going on
in Minnesota. You mentioned the GOP REP. I didn't realize
that the GOP had reps in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Actually, hey, they even have them in California. Tom, there
are some out there.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
I know, Yez, don't ruin the joke.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
It's not the city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Yeah, that's for sure. It was the last time we
had a Republican on city council. Then a minute, hasn't
it a couple of It's that's mess up there. I've
been to Minneapolis a couple of times, and you know,
you go to a city and you feel like you've
never been there before. You're like, you know, you're in

(22:49):
a different place and you don't recognize the buildings, in
the lay out of the land and all that. You know,
it takes. You know, the first time I went to Vegas,
it was you know, overwhelming and all that. But after
a couple of times, you know, Okay, I know where
I'm going at least you know, this is Minneapolis just
has a whole different feel to it. And I don't
know if it's because of the the area that I

(23:09):
was at or whatever, but I mean it is it
is strange up there. I don't I don't know what's
going on. And I know I hear about all the
politics and not just at the state level, but the
city level. And here in Minneapolis, it's it's weird and
and and I know, I know it has a lot
to do with with who's running the show up there,
based on the policies that I'm hearing coming out of there.

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And and you know, we in Cincinnati, we're not too
far behind, uh unfortunately, And it's it's scary, and we gotta,
we got to take this stuff seriously because there people
are literally trying to change our country into another country.
They don't like our our freedom that we have, and
they don't like the way we allow our citizens while

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under the rule of law you have the freedom to
do things and and behave a certain way, and and
women can do things and have a have a voice.
So they don't like that. They don't want that going on,
you know, and it's crazy. We got we gotta be
careful and make sure that doesn't happen. And really, beyond me,
I keep saying it, the only way to make sure

(24:14):
I've done happen is don't vote Democrat. Have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Brian, you do the same, Tom, appreciate your call. Five
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to five point forty Little John Fisherman JEPHG. You're out there.
Good morning to you all right, looking like a typical

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Friday morning stack and stupid. Although we're not starting in Florida,
we do have a stack filled with bunch of naked
people doing stupid stuff. So let's start in Halle County, Georgia,
where a Buford man facing charges FWCA he stripped naked
and knocked another man out using a freezer. Happened at

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Lake Lanier. Forty two year old Logan Nicholas Young arrested
at his houseboat. Officials with the Hall County Sheriff's Office
say the incident happened at a boat slip and Landier
Islands Parkway on July Sex that night of us get
to say, Young, fifty nine year old and a fifty
nine year old victim, as well as two women, were
on the victim's boat. Some point, Young reportedly took off

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all of his clothes in front of the other three people,
leading to an argument in which officials say he punched
the man in the chest and then left the vessel.
Victim and the two women thought that Young had gone
to his own boat, so they tried to leave the dock,
and that's when Young allegedly threw a deep freezer at
the man, hitting him in the head and knocking him
unconscious and into the lake. Fortunately, the man was able

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to get back onto shore. Official see he had a
large laceration on his head, but did refuse treatment, and
deputies went to Young's house boat to speak with him.
They say he silenced his phone, turned off his boat lights,
and hours later the deputies obtained at a restaurant and
found Young hiding under a bed in the boat. Isn't
hiding on a boat sort of an exercise of futility.

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Not a whole lot of surface area there to cover,
not a whole lot of places you could possibly hide anyway,
it's doing it. Yeah, things because they're idiots. Booked into
the Hall County Jail, released the following afternoon after posting
a bond of more than thirteen thousand dollars, facing charges
simple battery, battery, public indecency in three counts of obstruction
of an officer, all misdemeanors, and no explanation as to

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why he felt compelled to strip naked in front of
those fellow voters. Now we go to Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
As a tradition, aymen brother residents of a Fort Lauderdale
home and had to call police after a naked guy
went for a swim in their pool and then refused
to get out. Fort Lauderdale police responded to the residents

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on Tenth Avenue after the homeowner said the man appeared
in the pool in his birthday suit and refused to leave.
Officers forced to pull the naked guy out of the pool.
Javier Caverro, I guess the homeowner. It was like a
police surrounding him. He was right in the middle of
the pool, acting weird as a tradition, oh honor. Cavero said.

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The man did get out momentarily before jumping back in.
He said the naked guy even splashed water at the officers.
He was throwing water at them. I mean, the police
were very patient. Why are you doing that? Officers first tries,
we may find out, first tried to speak with a
guy to convince him to leave the pool, and then

(29:19):
even offered him a soda. At one point, following some
failed attempts to convince him out of the pool on
his own, officers grabbed him and pulled him out. According
to Cavero, they were waiting him out because, you know,
they didn't want to pursue him. They couldn't taze him
he's in the pool already and spring him with mace.
He could have had a bad reaction start drowning, so
they just waited it out. He said. It took officers

(29:41):
nearly four hours, along with some improvised attempts to use
a pool skimmer and a hose to wrangle the guy
out of the pool. Vara said the officers shared in
the one of the kind of experiences that I asked
some police officers if you guys ever encountered someone in
middle of a pool. They said never, But they finally

(30:04):
finally got him out of that eight a clock. Once
he was removed from the pool, authorities took him to
be medically evaluated. I thought that was going to be
a conclusion that drugs were indeed a factor, and I'm
going to go with that. Not normally a gambling kind
of guy, but I think it's a pretty safe bet.

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went three seven, four, nine fifty, five hundred, eight hundred
and eighty two to three talk or a pound five
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is stupid. Look more naked people, this one naked person
in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, where a man's been arrested after causing
a disturbance in a Hopkinsville neighborhood while not wearing any clothes.
Hopkinsville Police Department arrest report reflects they responded to a

(32:21):
disturbance seventeen hundred block South Campbell Street three o'clock in
the morning on July eighth. Officers advised that a naked
guy was banging on the door of a residents. The suspect,
thirty three year old Christopher Price, was located with his
genitals exposed, wearing only socks on his feet, which is

(32:43):
a funny statement in the reporting. I guess you could
wear socks elsewhere, Joe was it weren't the Red Hot
Chili Peppers famous for that?

Speaker 8 (32:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Anyway, they were on his feet, but that's all he
had on court the police, what was that, Joe? It
is a great look. He could have improved on it
if he had white sox and had sandals. That would
have been that would have been the ideal look for
naked guide anyway, Obviously not interested in making a fashion statement.

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A court of the police, suspect was yelling, causing annoyance
and alarm of the nearby residence.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
At the time.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The suspect told officers that there were snakes on him.
You got that one right, also disclosing that he had
just laughed rehab. He was suspected of being under the influence.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Of drugs tradition.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Heymen, brother, facing three charges including public intoxication of a
controlled substance, disorderly conduct, and of course, indecient exposure. Here,
I have an idea, why not take this drug?

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
What might happen to me? Well, you'll be desirous of
taking all your clothes off and running amok and banging
on people's doors in the middle life for literally no reason.
And you may think you have snakes all over you. Wow,
that sounds like a fun experience. Here, let me have
some No one ever walks through the logical process before
they take drugs, do they? Now go to Georgia, where

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a forty six year old woman was taken into custody
after a lengthy SWAT stand off at her Powder Or
Springs home, where witnesses say she appeared nude in a
window and allegedly assaulted a teenager early in the day.
According to the Cobb County Police, they showed up at
the fifty four hunred block of Stirrup Way, got a
call about a woman identified police as Nicole Simpson, not
her who had active orange for aggravated assault and Paulding

(34:44):
County officers later requested assistance from the SWAT you know.
When she refused to surrender, officers showed up confronted her,
confirmed her outstanding warrant. She refused to leave the house,
prompting the use of a flashbang device believed to have
been deployed through the bathroom window. Witnesses described as neighborhood
being flooded with police cars. Sixteen year old Nalali aka

(35:06):
Noni Domingas as she was walking into the neighborhood when
Simpson began shouting at her from the window. She said
she started screaming things like oh I voted for Trump,
adding she was kind of blocking me from going anywhere.
Diminga says she fled to a friend's home where surveillance
studio captured Simpson allegedly trying to hit her with a
rock and slamming a gate on her, leaving marks on

(35:27):
her arm. According to Minga, she tried continually knocking at
my friend's door trying to get in. She just would
not get out of the house, and all she had
to do was surrender, said the neighbor, and then a
big boom. The flash bang video shows officers using non
lethal rounds to subdue Simpson. Witnesses said she finally exited
the home while still unclothed. One witness said she was

(35:51):
spy the upstairs windows, sticking up middle fingers. Just naked
female subject taking into cestdy without injury or significant incident,
according to the Cobb County Police, taken to the Cobb
County Jail, expected to face additional charges beyond the original
aggravated assault warrant, no additional details, and no mention of

(36:14):
her bizarre behavior or why bizarre way I'm gonna go
with that one as well. Oh man, how much can
I comment about the use of illegal drugs? Five and
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and the bottom of the ear of course, Tech Freddie
but Dave Hatter, Fast Forward seven o five Hudson Institute,
Brigha mcow and Charged Connections or Conversations podcast. He just
got back from a conference in Europe, and we're gonna
find out what in the hell is going on in
Europe regarding energy policy. Sort of a cautionary tale for
us here in America.

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Don't do that.

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with Brigha McCowan. Stick around more after that. I'll be
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trust and artificial intelligence is declining, and FaceTime is going
to be sending warnings if it detects nudity. We'll get
that at the bottom of the hour. Brigham McCowan one
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podcast moderator Brigham knows all there is to know about
energy policy. Just got back from a conference in Europe
on that, and we'll be finding out what the hell

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is going on in Europe regarding energy policy, and as
I suspect, although I don't know, it's going to be
one big, long discussion of cautionary tales of what's going
on in Europe and why we shouldn't go down that
stupid path cutting our throats. Congressman David Taylor at eight
oh five on the Big Beautiful Bill and what things
are good in the bill. We have identified some of

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the bad things. We can learn a little bit about
some of the good things. Jack wins Or, editor in
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Governor de Wines Vetos in the budget, which Donovan and
Neil from Americans for Prosperity talked about earlier this week.
You can podcast that at fifty five Carose dot com
also talking about how small business owners in Ohio are
struggling to fill jobs. And as I pointed out in

(38:45):
the last hour, thinking in advance of the conversation with Jack,
I mean a good timing. We got a new work
requirement for able bodied adults that have to work twenty
hours a week, or community service twenty hours a week,
business training, education training, something that moves you away from
the idea of being hooked up to the Biblical court
of government, freedom, liberty, self determination, all these beautiful concepts

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that made America great. Well join in the fund. I
hate that it takes government to impose a twenty hour
a week obligation on folks who are receiving public assistance.
But if you can work, why not take advantage of
your abilities, hone those skills and put them to your
own interest, in their own advantage. So that'll be with
Jack Windsor at eight thirty five one three, seven four

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nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred eighty two to three
talk go with Ton five fifty on AT and T
phones and No Need to Die. Was going to talk
about the judge placing the block on birthright citizenship order.
But you heard about that top of the Hour news. Fundamentally,
I know the Supreme Court is paired back District Court's
ability to issue nationwide injunctions. They did carve out a
very critical important step there, though, and that is class certification.

(39:55):
You have a class action lawsuit and it covers people
all over the United States, then you can qual to
have perhaps a nationwide injunction once you certified a class.
And in this particular case, the judge certified a class
for all those impacted, with plaintiffs being a pregnant woman
who gave birth in April and the father of a

(40:15):
baby born in March, representing people in similarly situated circumstances.
So I honestly think that probably will pass muster in
terms of the class certification, but there are legal challenges
that can be made to that. But moving away from that,
there was an opinion piece out of Oklahoma, and I
don't need to dive on into it, but Oklahoma has

(40:39):
just ended woke in doctrination as students. Oklahoma State Department
of Education, apparently working with peger U, they developed an
assessment for teachers that are relocating from states that I
guess have progressive education policies. So you got a California
teacher coming into the state of Oklahoma and wanting to
teach there. This applies to them. The new assessment of

(41:00):
aighwates these new educators on three specific topics. Knowledge of
the US Constitution, understanding of American exceptionalism, and a grasp
of fundamental biological differences between boys and girls. So we're
going to quiz you, how are you how do you
feel about the following subject matters? They just basic messages

(41:20):
or Oklahoma schools are not going to be pushing a
woke agenda like California, New York That according to the superintendent. Superintendent. Now,
the reason I bring this up is because what was
revealed in the reporting on this. Just this week, the
largest teachers union in the nation, National Education Association, held

(41:41):
its annual convention. These are the teachers unions we talk
about all the time. What are they all about? Well, specifically,
business item included on their agenda quote to defend against
President Donald Trump's in race of fascism by using the

(42:02):
term fascism in any a material. So you're going to
start seeing this rolled out. The ANYA stuff is going
to be talking about fascism fascism, which is a sorry
state of the members of the National Education Association that
they don't have a firm, clear understanding what the definition
of fascism is. Just by saying Trump's a fascists doesn't

(42:22):
make it definitionally accurate. You morons, read the definition of fascism,
thank you very much, and then decide who's more of
a fascist, the socialists who want to run our country
and how to and dictate the terms and conditions of
your life. What car you can drive, what dishwasher you
can buy, what refrigerator you can own, on and on
and on and on and on. That's dictatorial, top down management,

(42:43):
micromanagement of our lives, including the micromanagement of many businesses
every single day. There's your problem, folks, State control of
the means of production, fascism. That's not what the Trump
administration is all about. Look, they're trying to eradicate multiple
rules and regulations. They're getting rid of a giant bureaucracy.

(43:05):
They're getting rid of fraud, waste, and abuse in government.
This is not what fascists do. But nonetheless they're going
to be in their materials. Any a is going to
continue to refer as Trump as a fascist fine, just
setting you up for an opportunity to make fun of
them and their ignorance. Also to quote, oppose any move
to eliminate the US Department of Education as an illegal,

(43:27):
anti democratic, and racist attempt to destroy public education and
privatize the interests of billionaires, or perhaps to prevent woke
ideology from being shoved down the throats of our young people.
To defend birthrights, citizenship, and oppose the attempt to revert

(43:51):
to pre civil rights movement Jim Crow legal concepts of
states rights in order to deny citizenship to the children
of immigrants, and to support student efforts to organize against
ice raids and deportations. What does that have to do
with public education, reading, writing, and arithmetic. Nothing. They're engaging
in political activism. They are telling the National Education Association members,

(44:15):
the teachers there, who probably are in front of your
children in the classroom today, to engage in political activism. Now,
your family may feel differently than the NEA on how
we should approach illegal immigrants, ice raids, and all these
other legal concepts or political concepts. You're entitled to have
your own rights and freedoms along those lines, you're entitled
to make your own political decisions, and here they are

(44:36):
using the public education system as a mechanism to indoctrinate
your children against the policies of the Trump administration, which
policies were voted by a majority of the people in
the United States under what we call representative leadership and democracy.
Here they also committed to sending out a quote know
your rights close quote documents so teachers can work around

(44:57):
the Supreme Court ruling allowing parents to opt out their
children out of gender and doctrination, so depriving you, the parent,
of a right to know about these things. Know your rights,
here's how you do a workaround. That's what you want
the NEA to be focusing on. Also said it would
hold quote speak up, speak out, close quote LGBTQ plus conferences,

(45:18):
and it pledged not to quote, use, endorse, or publicize
any materials from the Anti Defamation League, which is an
organization founded to fight at my anti semitism. So you
don't want concepts of anti Semitism to be discussed. You
don't want to talk about the horrors of anti semitism,
anti semitism. You don't want to look at the horrors
of the Nazi regime and the extermination of millions of

(45:41):
Jewish people, and how that kind of concept still is
alive and well these days in the anti Israel protest
going on all across various college campuses and elsewhere in
this country. No, no, no, we can't have any of that.
And as the op ed author writes, and I give
you credit, is there, It's Kelly, It's in the Washington Times,

(46:03):
sort of ask this rhetorical question, is it any wonder
why this year's National Assessment of Educational Progress showed that
seventy percent of eighth graders were below proficient in reading,
seventy two percent were below proficient in math, Why patriotism
among Gen z has reached a record low, or why
forty five percent of Americans age eighteen to twenty four

(46:25):
agree that socialism is the ideal economic system for the
United States. Well, if you aren't having an informed debate
about the well evils of socialism and the deprivation of
rights that socialism brings about and the economic calamity that
socialism brings about, you're not going to have children who
embrace the idea of freedom and liberty and an open,

(46:46):
free market capitalist system where competition creates better products, goods
and services. No, we don't want to talk about that.
I just find that this is part of their jenda
out loud stated written down in the minutes for adoption
at the National Education Association's annual meeting Scary five sixteen

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get tech Friday's Dave Hatter love that segment. Further to
education and announcement, yesterday, Department of Education said it will
be ending taxpayer subsidization of career, technical and adult education
programs for illegal immigrants, which under the terms of the
legislation creating the program that makes these funds available for citizens,

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they're not qualified to receive it in the first instance.
What happened will the Clint administration happened They reinterpreted the
law to allow illegal immigrants to access federal funds for
these education programs in violation of the act, which is
the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act p RAW.

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Education Department's new interpretive rules now makes it clear that
illegal immigrants do not have access to pelgrants as well
as student loans. According to Secretary of Education Secretary or
Linda McMahon, post secondary education programs funded by the federal
government should benefit American citizens, not illegal aliens. Under President
Trump's leadership, hardworking American taxpayers will no longer foot the

(50:31):
bill for illegal aliments aliens to participate in our career, technical,
or adult education programs or activities. The Department will ensure
the taxpayer funds are reserved for citizens and individuals who
have entered our country through legal means who meet federal
eligibility criteria. Well, what a great opportunity for all those
folks now with the work requirement for the getting Medicaid. Look,

(50:52):
you've got opportunities with this PRWRA program to get education
opportunities fulfilled, eating your twenty hour per week standards and
also sending you on the direction of freedom and independence
that can be brought about only through work. Now, this
act limits eligibility for federal public benefits to US citizens

(51:13):
permanent residents in certain categories of what they call qualified aliens.
But the Clinton administration issued a what they call a
dear colleague letter this back in nineteen ninety seven that
exempted this career, technical and adult education programs from the
eprwroa quote. In doing so, they said it relea is

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Yesterday the Department's interpretation mischaracterized the law by creating artificial
distinction between federal benefit programs based upon the method of assistance.
Congress made no such distinctions in this act. Fairly going
to start enforcing this August ninth. Why it's pushed off
till then, I guess they need to get their ducks

(51:53):
in a row to figure out how they're going to
enforce it. But illegal aliens need not apply. They never
should have been able to apply, I think, is the
point here from the announcement from the Department of Education.
So Dave Hatter, he'll be covered up next, talking tech,
starting out with GROC four. What is GROC four? Is

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it the world's smartest artificial intelligence? And do you have
any trust in artificial intelligence? So some of the topics
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Speaker 5 (55:16):
Well?

Speaker 9 (55:18):
Rock four is x slash elon Musk's latest generative AI release,
and it's caused quite a stir. They had a rollout
the other night, and so let me just explain to
people because it's a little different than let's say, like
a chat, GPT or Claude or Perplexity, other other generative
AI tools that people may have worked with may be

(55:40):
familiar with, or even Copilot. Copilot is Microsoft's product. It's
kind of embedded into all the Microsoft stuff.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Okay, so every company, every major tech company, is coming
out with its own version of what artificial intelligence is
and how they're using it, Like if I do it.
If I do a Google search, the search results always
with an artificial intelligence generated answer to the question.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
Yeah, so Google has JEM and I as well as
some other models. We talked about the VO three model
that makes the videos that are pretty incredible, right, but
you've got all these different players out there, and Grock.
While you can download it as an app, it's mostly
embedded in X right. I'm looking at X right now
and down the left hand menu that lets you sort
of navigate around on the platform. And just as a

(56:25):
reminder for people, X is the former Twitter. There is
an option now called Supergrock.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
It used to just be.

Speaker 9 (56:31):
Grock, and grock is a word that came from a
Robert heinleine. Now it means to deeply understand. This is
a typical musk nerd type thing right in fact that
you know, if you're a nerdy science ficed fan like me,
I'm a huge Hindhline fan, you know, they use the
word like to deeply.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Understand something like I grock it right.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
Okay, so they just upgraded the model to rock four
point zero, and now again you see this. I think
it's funny super grock and I can tell you. You
know I work with these things a fair amount, and
you know they still have a lot of problems. There's
so much hype around this, Brian, including this roll out here.

(57:08):
You know, it's caused a lot of news cycles because
many predictions were made and you know, some hyperbole. But
you know, these things still hallucinate or can fabulate.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
They make things up.

Speaker 9 (57:20):
They will try to convince you something completely made up
as false. And when I say completely made up, I mean,
let's be realistic. Everything they do is generate synthetic media rights.
It's all made up. It's a question of is the
answer that it gives you to something when you prompt
it kind of like a search insin query, you interact
with it by quote prompting, you tell it what you want.
You know, is it producing something that is accurate and

(57:43):
correct or is it producing something where it just made
something up. I know we've talked in the past about
lawyers using these yeah, and it just literally refers to
cases that don't exist.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You are an idiot lawyer if you do not go
through and evaluate each and every case generated by artificial
intelligence to find out if it's real or not, because
apparently it makes stuff up. Whole cloth all the time.
And if it just finds out about it, which they will,
you're gonna get sanctioned, you gonna be held in contempt
or fined or otherwise held accountable. Maybe you end up
in the front of the Supreme Court on a charge

(58:16):
of malpractice.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
God Almighty, Yeah, So, Brian, I.

Speaker 9 (58:21):
Encourage everyone to do what you just said, regardless of
whatever field they're in. You know, if you don't know
anything about something, you know these tools can be a
great way to learn about it quickly, understand you might
not be getting correct information, use multiple sources at things.
But if you're going to try to use this to
produce content that you intend to repurpose for another thing,

(58:41):
and you don't vet what it puts out, that's that's it's.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Going to bite you.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
An answered yes it will.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
But I encourage people you should try these tools out,
see what they can do. Understand what they're good at
and what they're not good at, because when you do
understand what they're good at, it can be an incredible
productivity enhancer. But there was there was a lot of
claims made. A couple for example, xai is claiming groc
as the new top scoring model on Humanity's Last exam,
a collection of very advanced problems, as well as other

(59:09):
yardsticks of progress.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
There are two versions.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
There's the public version, then there's like I guess, an
extra powerful version you can pay extra for. It's quite expensive,
three hundred dollars a month. You know, it did do
some like as we've discussed, these things are not perfect
that they say in this particular article, it faltered when
asked to whip up a quote opera about a diet coke,
delivering what sounded more like a sing song Shakespeare monologue instead.

(59:37):
But then some of the other quick claims here if
we were out of time, GROC is smarter than all
graduate students and all disciplines. Simultaneously, Musk first declared a
few minutes later he said GROC is postgraduate PhD level
and everything, and then later also said better than PhD level.
So again, this just rolled out this week. I honestly
have not done much with it. I like Rock personally

(01:00:00):
compared to the other platforms that are out there. If
I'm going to use one of these for something, I'll
typically use Rock. I tend to like its answers better,
and it also tends to add if you ask it
to more humor to things, which isn't always appropriate obviously,
but yeah, it's a lot of very major claims were made,

(01:00:23):
you know, on the test too, and I forget what
it's called. This is a different test than the touring test,
which is trying to tell you if something is AI
or not. There's this other test that you know is
supposedly going to be able to determine if something as
artificial general intelligence. So general artificial general intelligence is the
idea that it is as capable as a human being

(01:00:44):
in any task, which is essentially what he's claiming here, right,
the HD level and everything. And then there's artificial superintelligence,
the idea that this would eventually get to a point
where it's more capable than all human beings put together,
and at that point all bets are off. I know,
Brian I mentioned before a book called super Intelligence by
Nick Bostrom that it's about ten years old, but it

(01:01:07):
kind of looks at all the different ways you might
get there and the pros and cons of that. But
you know, if this thing is really capable of everything
that he's saying here, you know, it's a major major
step forward in this direction, and you know, I'm not
entirely certain that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Well that's a nice segue to our next topic of conversation.
Public trust in AI is declining. Will continue with interest
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So take them up on that offer. Moving We're going
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before we get to why public trust may be declining
in AI, and I certainly understand the reasons why are
we in this shakeout period here with artificial intelligence, for
each of these powerhouses is endeavoring to become the dominant
AI player much of the same we went through all

(01:02:48):
this with search engines, because there used to be a
whole lot of search engines back in the day, and
they've all followed by the wayside in favor of like
Firefox and Google Chrome and some of the big players.
So that that's what's going on right now, right.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
Yeah, there's there's definitely a race to the top, and
there's also a race against China, you know, and that's
one of the things that makes this a little concerning
to me. I fully understand the argument that if this
is going to bring the promise and possibly the utopia
or the dystopia that we often hear about with this,
right because there's people on both sides of this argument,

(01:03:22):
predicting everything is going to be great and then predicting
that you know, we're going to live in some dystopian
hellscape because of all of this. Right, if you know,
if we don't get there first to whatever this is,
and China gets there first, I mean, have you seen
the rolling.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Ball robot thing they've got now, Brian, No, I'll send
that if you haven't.

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
Yeah, imagine what looks like a robot out of Star Wars.
It's kind of like a rolling rubber ball that's armored
and it's you know, rolling around like surveilling you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
It's it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
That's creepy. So you're a walk around the corner of
the Kroger and see one of those robots walking down
the sliding down the aisle. I have not, yeah they
have it or or Kroger. It's creepy. I don't know
if I think it's doing inventory, but it's just as
it's a robot and it just slowly moves down with
sensors and things, you know, through the foot traffic, and

(01:04:13):
I don't know, I just it's it's a little unsettling
from my perspective, but.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
I understand kind of like there's surveillance cameras everywhere. I
think I told you I like to get Krouger and
wear my make orwell fiction against shirt and as I
walk under each one of those, seeing myself on the screen,
I just point to the shirt.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Anyhoy.

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
Yeah, it's there's definitely a race on not only between
these companies to be the king of the hill, but
between you know, the United States and China in this front.
It's one of the things that concerns me a little
bit about this is, you know, are we doing everything
that we should to create systems that understand humanity's values
and ethics and that sort of thing, or are we

(01:04:52):
moving too fast because of this race against China or
just too fast in general. And I think that's what
this Defense won article, you know, they they had is
declining public trust and as a national security problem. They
say that, you know, based on various polling, trust in
AI is going down despite.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Advances like we just talked about with Rock four.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
And you know, it's an interesting, interesting conundrum because again
I'm not saying it's the right argument, but I certainly
understand and my gut tells me, yes, we don't want
the prevailing model of this to come from our friends
in the Communist Party of China, the way they treat
their own citizens and the incredible dystopian Orwellian surveillance they have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
They're folks under so well a propaganda machine too, like
TikTok is.

Speaker 9 (01:05:37):
Yes, yeh. And you know I think part of it too, Bryant.
So here's some additional stats. And March survey by Edelman
showed trust and AI dropp from fifty percent thirty five
percent since twenty n eighteen. Mistrust spans political lines. That
follows other surveys that have should increasingly cent our public
centiment towards AI, even as professionals who have incorporated AI
into their work report higher levels of performance. Again, I

(01:05:59):
want to be clear, I'm not suggesting that people don't
go check this stuff out for themselves just to understand
where it's at and how it can be useful, because
it can absolutely be useful. My personal take on it is,
you know, now, this rock thing, assuming it can really
do everything they claim, you know, which would definitely make
it the leader based on what I know about the
other products. You know, if you can really do all that,

(01:06:21):
that's that's pretty advanced, but a lot of this stuff
still has a lot of problems. We talked about the
hallucination and the last segment, but I encourage people go
check it out for yourselves. I think, though, what is
driving this is it's it's unpredictable where this is all
potentially going in the long run. You know, if this
does continue to advance at the same pace that it

(01:06:41):
is and it really can do all the things they say,
it's what you can do, and it eventually gets to
artificial general intelligence, you know, if you couple that with robots,
actual you know, aroid type robots, that would potentially well
I don't I shouldn't say eventually get to the place
where they have all the same capabilities as human Yeah,
I'm not sure how that isn't going to impact jobs,

(01:07:02):
and I'm not sure what that all means for the future.
So I do have a lot of concerns about the
longer term aspects of this, but we'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Again. People should go out and get that book. Super Intelligence.

Speaker 9 (01:07:15):
And there's another guy actually a PhD from the University
of Louisville. I watched an interview with him on Joe Rogan.
His name is Escaping it's something like, yeah, PULASKI, I'll
see if I can look it up while we're talking here.
He he has some very disturbing takes on where all
of this is headed. I'm not saying he's right, but

(01:07:37):
he's a guy that knows what you know. He he
is much more steeped in this than I am, and
it's it's worth giving him a listen about what could
potentially happen. So it's no wonder to me that you
know people's concerns are rising about.

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to FaceTime warnings about if it detects nudity, I presume
artificial intelligence involved in detecting whether it's nudity in a post.

Speaker 9 (01:09:25):
Yes, But before we get too deep into that too
quick things. If you have Windows updated critical updates came
out this week and update ads. You know, Brian, We've
talked about this a million times over the years. You
should set your devices up. For consumers and a commercial enterprise.
This is a little different and easy, a little easier

(01:09:46):
to do, but set your devices up to update themselves.
You've got to make sure you're getting these critical updates.
Whether it's your web browser like Chrome or hopefully at
more privacy friendly web browser, or your operating system, you
got to get these updates. The guy I mentioned in
the last segment, his name is doctor roman im Polsky.
I hope I'm pronouncing that right again. He's a PhD
level artificial intelligence researcher at the University of Louisville. He's

(01:10:09):
fairly well known in this space. The Rogan interview, which
I've posted all over.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
My social media.

Speaker 9 (01:10:14):
You know, folks, I'm constantly sharing information about all this
tech stuff and cybersecurity stuff in particular. If you want
to follow me on ex, LinkedIn, Facebook, whatever. But I
encourage people to go watch that video again. He makes
some very bold claims. I'm not saying he's right, but
he knows more about it than me. I'll just leave
it at that. It's very interesting, a little disturbing. People
should go watch that and get that book I mentioned,

(01:10:36):
and I'll put all of these in my show notes
and then to get back to the question at hand. So,
you know, one of the things that Apple has going
for it, and you know, Apple is way behind in
the AI space when you talk about all these big
companies like we've talked about before, they're in this space.
You know, Microsoft is trying to be a leader. Google's
trying to be a leader with their Gemini product. You know,

(01:10:57):
open ai is still perceived by most as the leader,
and I think has the most market share. You've got
Xai out there, from our rock, from Xai slash x.
So you know there's this battle going on and you
don't really see Apple in this space much at all.
But that said, what they're doing here, which I think
is interesting. Apparently it's been leaked, I shouldn't say leaked.

(01:11:19):
It was released in some beta testing software a feature
that will essentially if you're using FaceTime, and it can
detect that you are taking your clothes off, give you
a warning and potentially tell you that you should in
the call. Now you know some of the questions raised
by this and one of the things they point out
in the article, and it goes back to.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Where I started. Apple generally tends to be more privacy friendly.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
One of the things they're doing, like all of this processing,
according to the research I did on it only happens
on your phone.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Apple does not know this is happening.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
They're not sending your live stream of FaceTime back to
their service to process. This processing is happening on your phone.
That's typically how they do things. It's one of the
reasons why they tend to be more privacy friendly. It's
not sending everything back to the mothership. They're trying to
process it locally. But yeah, you will potentially get this
message and they show a screenshot of it audio and

(01:12:12):
video or pause because.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
You may be showing something sensitive.

Speaker 9 (01:12:14):
If you feel uncomfortable, you should end the call and
then you have the option to was new audio and
video or in the call. And you know, I honestly
Brian as a parent, as someone who is well aware
of the sextortation problem that you and I have talked
about on here many times, and that state police have
warned about, local police have warned about, the FBI, I've
warned about you know, there are many well documented cases

(01:12:37):
where kids, typically young boys, teenage boys, have killed themselves
because they get extorted through one of these sextortion scams.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
So personally, I think this is a great idea.

Speaker 9 (01:12:48):
They're not just cutting you off, They're giving you a
warning and giving you the option to continue again.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
You know, for me as an adult that you and I.

Speaker 9 (01:12:55):
Both know because we've talked about it multiple times and
told your listeners just don't do this sort of saying
on a phone period, and you will have any of
these problems. But if you're an adult and you're into
this sort of thing, hey whatever. But I think the
idea of making a kid at least take a pause
and think about, wait a minute, is something? Is this?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Is this good?

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Is this right?

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
Should I keep this going as opposed to be essentially,
you know, persuaded into something by a person that has
ill intent at heart?

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:26):
I'm all for this personally, you know, especially to the
extent that it's not sending this to Apple and it's
doing the process processing locally, so you know, we'll see
this is supposed to come out in iOS twenty six.
They're changing the numbering around to align the operating system
across all Apple platforms, so you're going to see a
weird leap in the numbering.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
But this is slated for September, so I guess we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yes, we will, and we'll have you to keep us
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Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
Always my pleasure. Brian, thanks all right.

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say about energy policy. Brigha McGowan, It is fantastic seeing
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come on in and talk to my listeners of me today.

Speaker 11 (01:15:21):
Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me in the studio.
It's an honor to be back here and happy to
be back in America too.

Speaker 8 (01:15:29):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
And that's where I was going, because I understand he
just came back from a conference in France. It wasn't
on economics, you say, generally speaking.

Speaker 11 (01:15:38):
Yeah, generally speaking on economics, and of course we know
that energy is a key component to economics.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah, learning about that in Germany where they apparently have
fallen off the map in terms of production capabilities because
of the unsteady reality of energy and how outrageously expensive
they've made it. I don't necessarily want to dive onto
them first, but we I mean, I said, I kind
of figured that at the conclusion of this hour together,
I was going to reach the boiled down proposition or
conclusion that Europe, in the European Union is a cautionary

(01:16:08):
tale for what a roadmap for what we should not
do here in the United States.

Speaker 11 (01:16:13):
Absolutely, And you know, I think a lot of us
think fondly on Europe and we're like, oh, wow, you know,
they're so advanced in this or that, and you know
when it comes to energy and frankly more and more
on general policies. In general, Europe is not the leader,
they're the laggard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, we alway talk about how great our relationship is,
and yes, they are our allies. We do have defense
agreements with NATO aligned countries, and we did rebuild them
in the aftermath of the World War Two. But you know,
it's kind of like Vietnam. You know, we expected him
to go full on commie and we lost, you know,
fifty four plus thousand American men fighting that battle to

(01:16:51):
stop the Red Scourge and we didn't. But it really
is more of a kind of like European nation. We
trade with them, we exchange with them, we have They
are i would say more capitalists than communists. So the
world's turned out to be an interesting thing. But as
contrast to the Europe, Europe we expected to be this
great capitalist bastion and free markets and everything like that,

(01:17:14):
but they've drifted away from that into this full on socialism.
They you know, the value add attacks all them edicts
and mandates. I know you're I know UK is no
longer in the European Union. But if you want a
great illustration of how micromanaged people's lives are, watch Clarkson's farm.
Have you seen that show?

Speaker 11 (01:17:34):
I have Jeremy Clarkson, And you know, it's, uh, it's funny,
but it's sad exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
You can't help but laughing. But you know, the the
just the absolute micro management of literally anything he does
on his own private property. It's they're just obsessed with it.
But that's like the European Union. I mean, that's just
the way they are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
It is absolutely like the EU.

Speaker 11 (01:17:59):
And you know what's really sad about the UK is,
you know, our laws founded on their law of generalities,
not you know, the Napoleonic Code, very specific the Germans
very specific you kind of get that, but this has
even happened in the UK, which, by the way, they
are very happy to say they have phased out coal,

(01:18:21):
and they're less happy to say that they have the
highest energy prices in all of Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Exactly, and they go hand in hand. I mean, you
need inexpensive, reliable, emphasis on reliable energy production. If it
ain't reliable, the lights are gonna go out, They're gonna
be rolling blackouts. And that's you run into that when
you don't have some efficient, affordable supply of energy. Clearly
stated natural gas and coal are reasonably affordable and readily

(01:18:49):
available and provide regular, unstoppable power production. Solar panels, windmills
do not. And then they always want to exclude nuclear
from the discussion. I mean, at least France has more
nuclear plants and they can safely say that, look, we've
got reliable energy production, but you can't say that in Germany.

Speaker 11 (01:19:07):
No, you can't say that in Germany. And you know,
this is what happens when you know people's politics get
into policy, and Germans have always had an adverse reaction
to nuclear power. It's been part of the their their
Green Party which was until recently part of the governing coalition,
and so the Greens were given you know, the Economic Ministry,

(01:19:31):
which includes their climate and energy ministries, and they're like,
you know, no, we're phasing all this stuff out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
We're shutting down our nuclear power plants.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
But their mindset is stuck in you know, Cherniobyl era
or seventies era three Mile Island type mindset where yeah,
there was some problems, but we don't have that technology anymore.
We've got modern, safe, efficient, reliable, very little to no
waste nuclear power production the form of these small modular
reactors that can literally go anywhere and don't take up

(01:20:01):
that much space.

Speaker 11 (01:20:02):
They don't, and you know, speaking of that, the Trump
administration is working toward adding four hundred gigawatts of nuclear
power onto our grid by by mid century. So nuclear power,
you're right, you know, I love classic cars, right, but

(01:20:25):
you know all my dad's old nineteen sixty six Mustang
was a great one, but it didn't exactly have the
same features the modern car has.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
D that's so funny you bring that up, because I
am a huge fan of late sixties Mustang fastbacks and
my dad had a friend who did basically a rotisserie
restoration on a sixty seven Mustang Fastback, and he knew
I loved him, and he said, I know he doesn't
want to buy it, but he's welcome to come over
here and drive it. Like, oh my god, I've never
been able to drive one. So my son and I

(01:20:56):
went over to his house hopped in this thing, and
I was so excited. Pulled out on a knee road
and I ended up driving about four miles. I pulled
back in his drive. He said, well, that was a
short trip. I said, yeah, and my bubble is completely burst. Yeah,
I mean you got a plan on breaking, you know.
I mean, you know, four wheel disc brakes on that sucker,
no power steering at all. It just it was like

(01:21:19):
driving around in an empty coke can. Yes, just loud
and flimsy. I mean, you know, it's like the I
take a modern car all day long over this rick anything. Well, yeah,
my dad's was a.

Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
A convertible and I really thought the chassis was going
to come off the frame.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
For reason compared to modern cars. Yeah, but that was
the norm.

Speaker 11 (01:21:46):
Back then, right, So to your point, a nineteen sixties
nuclear power plant is not the same thing as a
brand new power plant.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
The fuel is different.

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
You know, nuclear fuel today is only enriched by three
maybe four percent. It's not like the old stuff, not
like what the Uranians were producing. No, No sixty plus
for a peaceful Yeah, yeah, whatever, it's not. And you
know the way the reactors work today, they're just they're
just far different. And you know, really America needs to

(01:22:17):
build these SMRs. They even have microreactors, and frankly, we
need to keep building the large ones too. And there's
a good new advanced gen it's called a Westinghouse design
reactor that can produce a lot of power.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
So we need all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, and why not. It doesn't produce carbon for those
people who worried about carbon production, and I think Bringham
this is illustrative of the reality that they the left,
the Greens. They don't want inexpensive, abundant energy that creates comfort.
It it bolsters the middle class, It makes living easier,

(01:22:54):
more enjoyable, more comfortable, it creates wealth, and that's all
the antithesis of what they want.

Speaker 11 (01:23:01):
It is they all want us to live in a
communal society and be dependent upon the government and not drive,
not have our own lifestyle because they are not free,
open market society, wealth generation people. That's not their stick.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Yeah, because capitalism destroys the planet or whatever. And the
key to capitalism and wealth and abundance is inexpensive abundant electricity.
So we'll continue to bring McCallan. He's going to give
you a fun fact speaking of France, which is where
he was for this economic conference conference, francis gross domestic product.
Where does that stand relative to the United States and

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Energy Policy expert.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
He is saying he has a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Charged Conversations podcast which I recommend you listen to, speaking
about France. As we exited the segment, Brigham, you let
me now, let's give France the props for getting sixty
seven percent of their power from nuclear energy, and that
is an example of you how you can have secure
low carbon energy leadership. It's in the European Union. Germany's

(01:26:22):
decided it's phasing out it's nuclear plants for reasons completely unknown,
while it has one of the highest energy prices in
the entire European Union. France I have gone the other way,
relying on nuclear power a lots. That's great, use them
as an example. Have you had any problems with nuclear
power in France? The answer no, right, no.

Speaker 11 (01:26:39):
In fact, the only problem you've had is because the
grids are starting to be interconnected. Is the French are
complaining because Germans want more and more electricity from France.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Save me from myself, France.

Speaker 11 (01:26:50):
So they had that, and then the French had to
restart Spain after it's bread went down too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
So yeah, yeah, well, thank god they had the nuclear
power provide enough that they have extra for everyone else.
So I'm going to be a Vivek Ramaswami. When he
was on the program, and I've talked to him several
times about this, he wants to OHIW to be the
leader in nuclear power so much so that we can
actually have an abundance to sell to the idiots in
the Northeast region who keep going the opposite direction facing

(01:27:17):
power outages. So maybe some hopeful the state of Ohio
here but pivoting over to France as a model while
they do rely on nuclear power to their success. From
an economic standpoint, I could not believe what you told
me before the show started. Let my listeners know this
fun fact. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I didn't realize
this fact.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
In France, the media and household income is between twenty
five and thirty thousand euro that's about twenty eight to
thirty two thousand dollars after tax, with a poverty rate
of fourteen percent. Basically that aligns with Mississippi, whose nominal
GDP per capita is forty one thousand and median household

(01:28:02):
incomes fifty four thousand, with a pretty similar poverty rate.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Well, so the entire country of France and everything that
they build and produce gives you that standard of living.

Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
They've they've made it up there. And I'm not knocking Mississippi.
I've got a kid that goes and goes to Ole,
miss And you know, it's a great state. But when
you think of France, right, you think of one of
the largest countries in Europe, I don't think you think, well, yeah,
they're about as rich as.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I know, it's it's really really hard to believe.
So what else did you learn at this conference? What
was some of the takeaways you got from being.

Speaker 11 (01:28:37):
Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, well it was a great
Honestly it was. You know, it's really a thrilled to
be invited to it. You know, almost nine thousand attendees
on side one and a half million online views already.

Speaker 14 (01:28:51):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:28:52):
Yeah, So people do look at this, and the good
takeaway is people are starting to say, hey, we have
to sort of become more realistic. In fact, the theme
was the shock of reality and the literal translation from
Frenches it offends. It offends me, this this lack of reality.
But then they immediately go down the rabbit hole of gosh,

(01:29:15):
we need more regulations, and if we did more regulations,
that would make us better and more competitive. And you know,
I told them that they had it wrong. You need
less regulation, you need to unleash innovation, and and that
that never comes from the federal government trying to regulate something.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
No, it doesn't. They're not they're not interested in in
in improving lives or coming up with new ideas. And honestly,
anytime anytime something new comes out that there's a demand for,
that becomes popular, the federal government decides or the state
government's decide, well, we're going to tax that. And why
is that? Why are you treating that particular category or

(01:29:53):
product as outside of the normal product. Well, because it's new,
that's why.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I mean vapes come to mind, and I know people
were against vapes or in favor of apes for whatever reason.
But you know, it's an alternative tobacco. Nicotine is not illegal.
It's a nicotine delivery product. So why would you treat
that any different than if you decided to open a
chewing gum manufacturing company and sell chewing gum. Do you
tax chewing gum at a twenty percent higher rate just
because it's chewing gum?

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
But you see it's new.

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:30:23):
You have this in Europe And in fact, one of
the complaints is all energy prices are too high, so
we will just put a cap on how high energy
prices can be. I'm like, you guys, are economists do
you not understand the law of supply and demand.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Guys, nine thousand economists at this and they come up
with that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
They get up with Yeah, they come a mom Donnie.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Proposal.

Speaker 11 (01:30:43):
And then on the opening session there was a gentleman
from Council of Economic Advisors on the White House who
was probably a career person, not necessarily a politically appointed person.
White House has more career people that work there than
you know, politically appointed people. And a lady on stage
who's a member of the EU Parliament from France, was

(01:31:06):
just going after him for Trump and he's rude and
obnoxious and this is not how you treat friends. And
he said, oh, we don't treat friends by having disparate
trade policies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
You don't treat.

Speaker 11 (01:31:18):
Friends by singling out American companies, don't You're not friends
by And the more he said in a logical fashion,
the more she emotionally I thought she was going to
helicopter off the stage back through the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
That's what happens when they're confronted with logic and reason. Yeah,
the name calling and the broadbrush painting falls apart under
any thoughtful analysis, and they're left with literally nothing to
defend their position with so they start screaming and calling names.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
And yes, and actually a couple other French panel members
chastised her and said, look, you know, the game has changed.
Trump has done positive things for Europe. We've not been
paying for our defense for fifty years. And if you
look at it from America's perspective, they've been guaranteeing European
security for over one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
So and what did it deliver us a whole block
of basically socialist, micromanaged countries.

Speaker 11 (01:32:14):
Well, instead of spending money on defense, they've been spending
it on all their social programs.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Into the logical argument on that, why would they want
to be beholden to the United States of America for
their security?

Speaker 11 (01:32:27):
Well, I think you know the reality is they felt
the end of the Soviet Union it was all good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
I've always used that our moral barometer ended when the
Soviet Union fell.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
It really did.

Speaker 11 (01:32:38):
But you've got Brian. You have other countries like Poland,
who since the fall of communism, have seen their economy
increase ninefold. They're now in the top twenty of all
countries in the world. Because the Central and Eastern European
people get it because they're not so far removed from it.

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Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
We want to pick ABOUKIRCD talk station. Happy Friday. Brin
Thomas here with Hudson Institute and Miami University professor Brigham
McGowan talking energy policy on his return from the Economic
Summit in Europe. Wildly popular. Nine thousand attendees that are
economists and other noted notables like Briga McGowan, more than
a million and a half online viewers so far, three

(01:35:20):
hundred journalists showing up. Talk about economic policy, Energy policy included.
And did the subject of the European Unions and NATO's
security come up, Because you got this little pesky thing
called Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and I know they're all
incensed about it, and they keep looking to us to
provide Ukraine with more weapons, even though there are a
very few Ukrainian soldiers left to operate them. Russia continues

(01:35:42):
to make advances. It's been a brutal bloodbath for both sides.
It just looks awful. But since Ukraine is not a
member of NATO, they're not a part of the European Union,
they just happen to be sort of right there. Has
it brought about it? Is there any concern awakening over security?
Clearly there has been a move in the direction where
they're going to start defending themselves or at least have

(01:36:03):
the ability to defend themselves with this five percent GDP
allocation for military reasons and security reasons. But what about
how does this relate to energy policy? You'd think that
the nord pipeline or nothing. Yeah, the was it? The
Nord pipeline, Nordstream Nordstream pipeline got blown up at the
outset of the conflict, Russian energy was shut off and
depriving the European Union of But then they had to

(01:36:23):
do workarounds to continue to get and support Russia's military
by buying their fuel supply. I mean, it doesn't make
any sense, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:36:32):
It really doesn't end for if you go back to
the Soviet Union days, they were so cash strapped. They
operated in two different worlds. They had their political military
world and then they had the hey buy our energy
and you know, we promise you will never use that
as an instrument, and they didn't. Putin's not the same guy,

(01:36:53):
and he's leveraging everything he can. And again, after the
end of the Cold War, germany first policy was let's
talk about renewables, but let's buy as much cheap oil
and gas from Russia as we can possibly get in
both Nordstream one and Nordstream two, where German projects, where

(01:37:13):
the former Chancellor of Germany, Gearhart Schroeder was actually on
the Russian board trumpeting all ways stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yeah, nothing to see here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Move along, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:37:24):
So Yeah, and Merkle had this German first policy and
it completely backfired him because it's the don't keep all
your eggs in one basket. Diversification of supply is very
definition of energy security plus affordability.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Well, look, administration's change. The Trump administration taking a hard
line on Europe and it's needed to defend itself. He
didn't do that before. So you have a new president
in Vladimir Putin, that's not the former Soviet Union's dictator.
He is using energy as a weapon. You don't have
to drop a bomb, just slip the energy switch off.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Sucks to be you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Yeah, the you know what has surprised me over all.
This is the naivete in Europe.

Speaker 11 (01:38:04):
Yeah, these pieces and you know, but you know, Brian,
their adults, they understand this because part of the joke
in Europe is, well, a great crisis in the world happens,
and we Europeans go to the cafe and have a
latte and complain about it. Meanwhile, we expect you guys
in Washington, DC to do something about it. It's learned helplessness.
It's like you're an all kid living in your basement.

(01:38:25):
Mom and dad are buying everything.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
For you, exactly. And again we're the ones providing them
with security. Yeah, I mean, we're the armed forces. We
are the police department in essence for the European Union,
and we have been for years and years and years
and again, I would be in a very I'd be
extremely unsettled as a European to have that as my reality.
WHOA what a second, like using energy as a weapon.

(01:38:49):
What if the United States wants to flip the switch,
which is kind of what Donald Trump is sort of
doing in the sense that he's not providing Ukraine with weapons.
Well now he is, but you know, and he could
cut off the European Union in so far as defense
is concerned.

Speaker 11 (01:39:01):
Absolutely, And just yesterday Secretary of State Mark or Rubio said, hey, look,
we're we're trying to deliver more weapons to Ukraine, but
the Europeans haven't responded by increasing production. And we're looking
at giving them another patriot missile battery, but we can't
get to Europeans to offer up their own patriot missile battery.
Right so it's you know, it's talk but no action,

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your podcast un Charged Conversations with my guests today Brigha
McGowan and studio talking energy policy on the heels that
was returned from the Economic Forum in Europe in France,
where I understand the European Union addition to all these
other crazy policies want to get rid of air conditioning.

(01:42:15):
I understand this is just ninety some odd degrees. And
they held this conference outside, yeah, out of doors as
they would say doors.

Speaker 11 (01:42:22):
And well, you know, it was in the in the
south of France, in Excellent Provence, which the Provence region
is well known for its rose and lavender fields, and
it's it's very French to throw up massive tents and
in this park we had four different amphitheaters going. But yeah,

(01:42:42):
it was it was warm, it was above average, and
uh they blamed it on climate change, well a few
people did, and then a couple of days later, the
mister winds picked up, which was also a normal weather
phenomenon when the high pressures moved off, and uh we
got nice cold winds from the Alps sweep down.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
So that's climate change to change. It was really nice.

Speaker 11 (01:43:13):
But yeah, to your point, and to be fair, you know,
in most European countries you don't have two parties. You
have I don't know, six eight ten, and so a
far left French politician on the green side called for
the elimination of air conditioning because, uh, you can conserve
your way to prosperity right by producing less. And that

(01:43:34):
was one of the points I made is economic security,
Uh depends on you having all the stuff you need.
Energy is part of that. Energy abundance brings prosperity. They
don't want prosperity, they don't and the energy scarcity equals poverty, folks, exactly,

(01:43:55):
It's that straightforward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
I mean, I suppose, by some twisted circuitous route, if
you take air conditioning out of the equation and power
was not being generated for air conditioning, that extra unused
power that used to go to air conditioning could be
used to serve the means of production. Unless you could

(01:44:17):
become more abundant. Brigham, how about that?

Speaker 11 (01:44:20):
I guess so, I guess they're leaving aside the fact
that thousands of elderly in UH in Europe die every year,
or the lack of from heat, and you're not you're not, well,
that's true too, So we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Probably next want to get rid of heat in the
winter time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Possibly.

Speaker 11 (01:44:39):
But you know, the other thing I figured out is
in Europe, air conditioning doesn't necessarily mean air cooling. I'm like,
it's hot in here, and they're like, well, yes, we're
conditioning the air. We're removing like a dehumidifire, not actually
cooling anything.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
So the exacerbating factor of the extra moisture will be removed,
but the temperature will remain the same. It's that's why
one hundred and ten degrees doesn't feel hot when you're
in Arizona, because it's it's a dry It's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Right, it's a dry heat. And you know, this gets
back to Brian.

Speaker 11 (01:45:09):
Look, if if I don't know, pick pick solar power,
pick wind energy, if it were awesome, if it were inexpensive,
if it yeah, yeah, you know, uh, no need for subsidies.
People buy things that they want to buy, right if
people made what folks want to buy. And I say, well,
you know, but we just don't know what's good for us.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
So we have to.

Speaker 11 (01:45:33):
Introduce all of these levers and put your finger on
the scale and move stuff around. By the way, the
energy credit, if now's the time to get your solar
power or your your tesla what do they call that
the battery backup system? Because that thirty percent tax credit
that Joe Biden put in is over at the end

(01:45:54):
of this year. See your fingers on the scale, right, Yeah, Well,
you know I had to shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
I had to give to my daughter because it's to
me the wrong side. Good ideas do not require force
or coercion, and tax incentives and rebates and things of
that nature caused people to do something that otherwise would
not have done. Exactly, you're trying to do this electric
vehicle in my family's best interest, considering what I need,
the range and all that these logical things we walk

(01:46:20):
through in terms of the selection of a vehicle, and
then you got, well, it's going to cost me ex
for this internal combustion engine car, but I can get
seventy five hundred dollars off if I go that direction
and get an electric vehicle. You end up buying one
of those and then struggle with the downside realities of it.

Speaker 11 (01:46:35):
Absolutely, And you know, just just to be fair to
you and the listeners, I own a Tesla.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
I've got one.

Speaker 5 (01:46:41):
I know you did.

Speaker 11 (01:46:42):
I've had one six years, right, early adopter. It's cool,
it's fun, it's fast. But recent study just came out
that said the same three issues that were plaguing people
wondering whether they wanted to buy an electric car are
still there. Range, how I'm charging it, and the fact
that when it's too hot or too cold, you can

(01:47:03):
take that battery and discount it by thirty to fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Yeah, that's a huge limitation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
I mean, it's great for around town. I love my car.

Speaker 11 (01:47:12):
I've actually driven it Brian across the country. I'll have
to tell you about that another day.

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Station seven to fifty right now, if if you've have
KRCB talk station and hope you having a wonderful Friday.
Coming up out of the top of the our news
Congressman David Taylor, the return of Congressman Taylor to talk
about the great, big, beautiful Bill and what things are
good in there. And I know there's a lot of
good in there, and of course maybe not, of course,
but if you're just finding out. Jack Windsor, editor in
chief of the Ohio Press Network, returns at the bottom

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of the hour eight thirty to talk about detail over
rides in the budget, something we talked about with Donald
and Neil from Americans for Prosperity earlier in the week.
He can listen to the podcast fifty five KRC dot
com plus small business owners in Ohio are struggling to
fill jobs. Jack will be talking about that as well.
In the meantime from the Hudson Institute Final Online at
Hudson dot org. Doing some great work at the Hudson Institute,

(01:50:19):
Briga McGowan and studio about his trip to Europe and
the dysfunction that he witnessed in Europe in terms of
energy policy, their pursuit of zero carbon emissions. And we
didn't talk a whole lot about the auto industry, but
the European Union really really really driving the insanity going
on in the automobile world with regard to European manufacturers

(01:50:40):
moving all the way over and embracing electric technology. I
know Volkswagen has Audi of course, under the same umbrella,
Porsches moved a lot over to electric and I even
have read a bunch of articles they make several different
electric versions of the cars over portsche But the cutoff
date for the internal combustion engine, I think as respects
the case and the Boxer was supposed to be. I

(01:51:02):
think this was the last year of internal combustion production,
going electric next year. But they're going like, well, hold on,
hold on. The demand isn't there. Maybe this is not
a road you want to go down. But the only
reason they're going down that road is because the edicts
and mandates from the European Union.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 11 (01:51:19):
And I think you know they also resume based on
Biden policies that we were mirroring. Really he was adopting
and mirroring what Europe was doing. And we had executives
from Daimler there, from Volkswagen, as you point out, which
owns a lot of different brands as well as BMW
was there. And they're rethinking their strategy because they've admitted

(01:51:42):
privately that the sales of evs have dropped. They got
excited in the beginning, but what they failed to realize
is this is this early adoption period where a lot
of people want to try it out, and the age
of early adoption ended about a year ago. So EV sales,
even with these incentive has been following fairly flat. And
you know, Ford Blue is losing their shirt on there

(01:52:06):
on their EV side. So I expect to see a
change of heart I suspect coming up because they're just
not going to get the market penetration and saturation that
they want. And again, if you want to drive an EV,
you got an extra stall in the garage, one around
town car fine. But these mandates have been overturned. The
Trump administration has reversed its tailpipe emission rule, which we

(01:52:29):
called the the FAV mandate mandate. So that's all been
been reversed and we're getting back to you know, if
you build something the consumer wants to purchase and have
at it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
It's exactly right. And the other elephant in the room,
you talk about the European Union, thinking we were going
to go in that same you know, mindless direction towards
the full adopt to our adoption of electric and the decarbonization,
new new administration. Going back to the point, administration change,
people's attitudes change. They reflect back on maybe this isn't
a good idea. Look what happened in Europe. Let's not

(01:53:03):
go down that road. So we've got rid of the
EV mandates effectively. Good, they see that. But for me,
this whole carbon output, climate change alarmism and the restrictions
and the throat cutting that European and Westernized countries or
developed countries were going, I guess because of guilt or something,

(01:53:26):
they left China and India and the other major polluters
out of the equation, massive massive polluters. While we struggle
against this Sissophian challenge to get rid of carbon, they're
meanwhile building all kinds of brand new coal power plants.

Speaker 11 (01:53:40):
Well, and this is what concerns me, and our research
is indicated if you look at this from a purely
power play right. China has a well documented history of
entering to a market, dumping a product down a very
cheap price to destroy the domestic industry, and then they
take over and they raise their prices back up.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
We've seen it with coal.

Speaker 11 (01:54:01):
We've seen it with a lot of dipreneurs, which is
a big concern even if you do want to go
to this direction. China controls eighty plus percent of the
entire supply chain for renewables. This is not by accident, folks.
They were thinking ahead and thinking wheah, these guys want
to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
And guarantee you they are the biggest influence peddlers on
the planet in terms of propaganda behind this global climate
change craft.

Speaker 11 (01:54:24):
They are one hundred percent. And so if you take
China and India and put them together and CO two
is your thing, they're responsible for more than the United
States and Europe combined. They're responsible for forty percent of
CO two.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:54:40):
And while we've been talking, they've probably put another coal
power plant online exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
And they're loving every minute of it. And they're the
ones stirring the pot. Social media, it's easily accessible from
the four corners of the world and they're going to
do that to advance their own best interests, because they
put their own best interests first, unlike us. Brigha mcawan,
it has been a pleasure having you in. Next time
we'll get this story of your cross country trip in
your tesla. Apparently took a little bit longer than you thought, shocking.

(01:55:05):
Absolutely no one Briga McCown will look like and you
will find you with Charge Communication or Charge Conversations podcast.
Find you at Hudson dot org. And of course your
students said Miami University will find you in class when
classes in session.

Speaker 11 (01:55:17):
Brian, thanks very much, and you can also find me
on any of the major social media sites. And yeah,
love to hear any ideas folks have for our research.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Wonderful do that. Briga McCown has an open door, folks,
stick around. Congressman David Taylor after the top of the
ur news followed by Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network,
It's going to be some good conversation coming up in
the next hour. News happens fast, stay up to date
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Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Not gonna be complicated, It's going to go very fast.

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Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
If you buy a krc DE talk station, Happy Friday,
extra special welcome back. It's extra special because we get
the return of probably representing Ohio's second district Congressman David
tayl Or. Good to have you back, Dave. That's a
giant chunk of land, that second district, and we thank
everyone in the second district for putting you in office.
It's good to have you back on the morning show.

Speaker 8 (01:56:22):
Thank you, Brian. It's a doubt the prettiest part of Ohio.
We're glad to represent it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
I know you're proud of it, and I will get
I will let you know. Brig him account from the
Hudson Ins Too, was just in the show for the
last hour talking about energy policy and his economic meeting
in Europe that he attended. On his way out, he said, oh,
David Taylor is going to be on. He's a great guy.
I really think the world of him. So if Brigha
Mcowan's likes you, I think that's a rubber stamp of approval.

Speaker 8 (01:56:46):
I'm glad to hear that. I appreciate that I'm saying that,
and the hard work they do.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
You voted in favor of the one, Big Beautiful Bill.
I do not like the name of it, but I
like a lot about what's in it.

Speaker 8 (01:56:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
I'm kind of on the the Thomas Massy ran Paul
side of the equation about the deficit hole we keep
digging ourselves in. It looks like there's no end in sight.
But despite that, there are some really good things in it.
And the Democrats are screaming and yelling, mostly about the
cuts to Medicaid, although they seem to want to overlook

(01:57:16):
that this would have been the largest tax increase had
it not passed that America has ever seen all these
middle class homes. And they keep talking about billionaires getting
a tax cut. They never quite mentioned the fact that
the middle class also is getting a rather extraordinary tax
cut considering the income brackets involved.

Speaker 8 (01:57:34):
No doubt, Brian, the actually middle and lower income folks
are going to see the bigger percentage of tax break
from the Big Beautiful Bill. There really are no custom Medicaid.
You know, we sat through quite a bit of debate.
You're probably following some of that. Oh yeah, our sort
of all night session, and I listened to what I didn't.

(01:57:54):
I might have lost count at some point, but I
believe it was about one hundred and five Democrats stand
up in demand that there'll be no cuts whatsoever, no
looking whatsoever at Medicaid or SNAP for any kind of fraud, waste,
or abuse. They wanted illegals to continue to benefit from it.
They wanted absolutely nothing done to stop the massive overspent
on those two programs, two vital programs. That you are

(01:58:17):
not sustainable if we don't look at how the money
is spent. So they lined up and all made the
exact same motion. We demand illegals on these programs, We
demand how other frausters that continue to get their money,
and we demand that the bureaucracy itself continue to be wasteful.
So it was something to see.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
It really is and was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
And you know, one must look to the original purpose
of medicaid, which to help those on life's margins, get
them through the bad phase of their life they're going
in so that they can then free themselves in the
biblical court of government and hopefully go on and get
a job. But by expanding Medicaid ranks, which is what Obamacare,
what they did during the Obama administration and offering the
the these welfare benefits to able bodied people who should

(01:59:01):
be in the workforce, I think is revealing of the
ultimate subterfuge that's going on here, which is their ultimate goal,
the Democrats goal to really turn Medicaid into what they wanted,
which was national healthcare coverage for all. They wanted to
put everyone on Medicaid at some point, right.

Speaker 8 (01:59:18):
And you know another thing, it's kind of cynical in
my mind that the the cbo UH says that millions
of people are going to lose their Medicaid coverage because
the work requirements come in the The idea that these
people might instead comply with the work requirements, which factually
are not work requirements to begin with, doesn't cross their mind.

(01:59:40):
Like these work requirements come in, which you know, we
haven't basically every other you know, federal safety in that program.
These come in, and their their presumption is that they're
just gonna refuse to meet these requirements, which include you
you can you can volunteer, Yeah, you can get work
training for the terrible cost of twenty hour or the week,
which most Americans don't even consider a full time job.

(02:00:03):
You can volunteer at your own child's school twenty hours
a week and meet this requirement.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
And continue to get the benefits. Right, and continue to
get the benefits. I mean, you're not losing your coverage.
You just need to get off your butt for a
couple of minutes a week, right, I mean, isn't that
what this comes down to.

Speaker 8 (02:00:22):
Exactly? And you can, Brian, you can literally do it
from your butt. You can do it on the computer.
That all makes you want.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
That's an excellent point.

Speaker 8 (02:00:29):
And meet the requirements.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Yeah, oh wow, you know. And I it's just well, anyway,
they try to make a mountain of a molehill of
a non issue effectively, is what this is. So you know,
women with young children and disabled folks and everybody else
is going to tinde to get their Medicaid benefits. But
there is a heapload of fraud, wasting abuse, and there
are a whole lot of illegal immigrants that sign up
for these social welfare safety net programs. But the fundamental

(02:00:54):
point that almost was glossed over in your initial comments,
no snowfall of view, is these programs are on a
downward slide to becoming bankrupt. I mean, we hear about
it social Security all the time. They're going to be
taking less money in then they pay out. That is
a huge problem for folks who rely on Social Security.
Medicare and Medicaid are kind of in the same boat.
They're not sustainable in the current trajectory. So history will

(02:01:17):
look back and perhaps say, you know what, the saviors
of medicaid were the Republican.

Speaker 8 (02:01:22):
Party, Right, the people you just talked about in pregnant women, children, seniors,
people with disabilities that rely on Medicaid are in the
long run going to lose their benefits because we can't
do it anymore because it's unsustainable. So if we don't
weed out they illegals, the people who are the so

(02:01:45):
called able bodied adults without dependence who just refuse to work.
If we don't get these sort of folks that shouldn't
be on there to begin with off, these programs will
be sustainable for the people who truly need it. And
as you said, these programs are supposed to be temporary
help to get you back on your feet. As Chairman
Thompson says, it is supposed to be a trampoline, not

(02:02:05):
a spider web. When you hit it and it helps
you back up the goal of all these programs has
to be to get folks back on their feet well.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
And the other component of this is I would argue
that this twenty hour a week, you know a training
requirement if you want to call it for some or
you know community service requirement if you want to go
down that road to fulfill your twenty hours. But in
so far as job training is concerned, it couldn't come
at a better time. I got Jack Winsor going to
join the program at bottom of they are. He's the
editor in chief over the Isile Press Network talking about

(02:02:35):
small business owners struggling to fill jobs. I mean, the
trades are a wonderful career opportunity. It doesn't take a
four year education to get a job in the trades,
electric plumbing, HVACM, there's a multitude. Construction. Demand is high,
and you got a bunch of small businesses clamoring for
people willing to work. Boom. The answer to your prayer is, Okay,

(02:02:56):
I got to do some job training. Why not go
out there and earn while I learn in the trade
the profession. Timing's perfect, right, yeah, oh absolutely. The primary
complaint I hear from small business owners throughout the second
District is we just can't get anybody to work. Well,
you continue to make the finance their lifestyle from their home,

(02:03:16):
then they're not going to work. So, uh, changes have
to be made. These able bodied folks need to work. Look,
they're all going to be happier in the long run because,
as you and I know, they don't make the rules.
But if you feel like you're contributing something at work,
you come home at the end of the day generally
are a happier person. You may not all love your
job every every minute of every day, but at the

(02:03:37):
end of the week you say, you know, I accomplished
something this week. Somebody needed me and I was there.
That that helps people. There's there's no way around it.

Speaker 5 (02:03:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
We send a couple of minutes left in the segment
Congressman Dave Taylor from the second District, what what's beyond
the the enshrinement of the tax cuts permanent, which is great.
I hate I go on a tear about all the
times did do tax policy and it's limited to some
short period of time or ten years. They kick the

(02:04:06):
can down the road and they forced another Congress to
have to address it. At least this is permanent. If
you're gonna want to raise taxes, you're gonna have to
run on it, right, I mean, and no one likes
to hear about their taxes going up, So good luck
with trying to raise taxes down the road. So that
kind of bursts the bubble of that possibility. If we
get a Democrat Congress, they may try, but I don't
think it would be popular with American people. Considering Trump

(02:04:28):
ran on this. I mean, he was elected by a
majority of the population, He won the majority of states,
he won the electoral college across the board. It was
a win, and he did not pull any punches letting
the American people know what his agenda would be. This
was in there. It's what we wanted, absolutely right.

Speaker 8 (02:04:45):
Usually you get these big thousand page bills and there's
a bunch of so called pork in there. Every aspect
of the big beautiful bill. As a campaign promise President
Trump made, it's the agenda that people voted for in
November is being implemented. You know, it's being codified. And
as you said, the tax policy is vital. And the

(02:05:08):
fact that these tax changes are not sunset not sunsetting,
it was part of the negotiating process. So the doubling
of the tax, child tax credit, doubling of the standard deduction,
the twenty percent deduction for small businesses, the death tax
exemption is doubled and made permanent. It goes on and on,

(02:05:29):
and it's going to be to the extreme benefit of
you know, main Street America. So no bill is perfect,
but it's a darn good one, and you know, don't
throw out the good for the sake of the perfect.
I understand that argument. Of course, it's been made over
again and the lead up to it, because there was
some concern whether you know, the likes of Thomas Massey

(02:05:49):
and others wouldn't get the perfection they were looking for.
But I understand their principal point. Let's continue with Congressman
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Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
Fifty five krc ohc bil Uh. What else is in
it that you are particularly fond of or proud of
of Dave Taylor? Beyond the tax cuts, which I think
you and I charactery across the border great for everybody.

Speaker 8 (02:07:06):
Yeah, the very important for our district was the community
in rural hospital funding. I think everybody that you looked
into it much knows that the provider tax structure we
use now to fund it. It's sort of sort of
an inherently unfair to the taxpayer system. On the other hand,
community hospitals have to can you continue to be funded fully?

(02:07:27):
And you know, we have great community hospitals in the
Second District. We just need more of them, so funding
has to continue. So my hat's off to the Senate
for the changes they made to how community hospitals are funded.
We're in close contact with Senator Houston and Senator Marino
and and community hospital leaders from from the Second District

(02:07:48):
and around the state. Before the big beautiful bill got
across the finish line. They came up with a great solution.
The community hospitals are very pleased with it. And for
those of you they in Ohioans and think, oh, we
have two brand new senators, maybe we're not getting the
best bang for a buck in the Senate. I promise
those two guys are kicking the same thing we were

(02:08:09):
talking about sitting on earlier. They're doing a great job
over there in the Senate for Ohio in all kinds
of ways. So very very proud to get to work
with those guys.

Speaker 5 (02:08:18):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
In terms of energy policy, I understand it's a large
expansion of domestic oil and gas production capacity. I know
it comes at a kind of an odd time globally
with OPEC increasing output, and I think it's done with
the specific design to keep us from opening more wells.
But we'll deal with with the consequences of that as
we move forward. But also, and this is something I
talked with Brigham Gown about with energy policy, an opportunity

(02:08:41):
to start building more nuclear power plants, which I think
are the ultimate key and answer to our energy production
issues here in America.

Speaker 8 (02:08:51):
I agree Brandon, you know the Second District is going
to have a large part to play with that. As
I think we might have talked about last time. We
have the only urate enrichment facility that's American owned in
the United States and Pike County. But yeah, I like
hearing all forms of energy talked about. I'm for You're
even people are even talking about coal. The President's talking

(02:09:12):
about the coal again. But I do believe nuclear is
the future, and you know that's it's gonna It could
very well be the epicenter of it right here in
southern Ohio. Uh, there are small modular nuclear reactor companies
who are eyeing the site, and UH, we're hoping for
big things out of there. You know, it's obviously it's clean,

(02:09:34):
it's abund and it's cheap. It's it's a solution to
every aspect of the energy concerns, whether it does be
environmental or supply and uh, it's a road we have
to travel in safely, responsibly and soon.

Speaker 5 (02:09:49):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
And one of the criticisms from many, I think I
will throw myself into the hat along that. Not that
I'm against funding the military, but when you have an
American military and a budget that they cannot even pass
an audit five times in a row, I call that
a giant red flag, most notably on the heels of
what DOGE was able to figure out with even just
one department of government that's usaid. No one is ever

(02:10:11):
going to be able to convince me there isn't massive
amounts of fraud, waste and abuse in American military, which
has now has a budget of a trillion dollars. Is
there any hope that I'm going to have my prayers
answered that will unleash DOGE or some other entity like
an Inspector General on the military spending budget to fire
it out the fraud, waste and abuse, And maybe we
don't have to spend that much mundy annually to keep

(02:10:31):
our military ready and armed.

Speaker 8 (02:10:36):
Yeah, brand, I think you're even being extra kind. I
think it's eight audits. They have been able to meet
their number, so either way, one is too many. And
the big beautiful Bill does have one hundred and fifty
billion dollars for modernization of our military, which is vit
all your getting out built in navy vessels by China
at an alarming rate and a current we don't even

(02:10:58):
have the capacity need to build at the rate their buildings. Right,
money has to be spent, but it has to be
spent wisely. And I think you know the dose activity
is going to continue even without Elon Musk And obviously
the Department of Defense is how long have we heard
the joke about the five hundred dollars toilet seed? Oh yeah,

(02:11:23):
So it just chugs on and on. So it has
to be looked into our dollars. We worked hard for them,
and we're happy to spend them to protect our country.
But that's what they need to be spent on, not
on a bloated waste.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
All right. And finally before we heard of ourt company,
Congressman Taylor, we got money to secure border lots more
ICE officers, money, more border patrol agents, all of which
are apparently doing a very effective job. Right now. Do
you think it's still necessary to build a wall? I mean,
considering the last administration and the numbers just flowing over
the border, that was because it was facilitated. I mean,

(02:11:58):
we hung a dangling care of open borders and free
benefits and stuff and things. The world showed up at
the southern border and in the northern border as well,
and we didn't do anything to stop it. As soon
as Trump gets elected, it's almost it stopped completely. I
mean there were very few interactions, and those who interacted
with ICE agents were sent back home so they weren't
admitted into the United States. We've almost shut down the

(02:12:19):
illegal flow of immigration. Do we really need the wall
if the agents themselves are doing an effective job of
stopping to flow of humanity.

Speaker 8 (02:12:28):
It's a good question, Brian. I think on a cost
to effectiveness basis, we should be going forward with the wall,
and there are certain parts, so the bigger part of
it is not wall. I think there's seven hundred miles
left to cover, or seven hundred miles of wall and
sixteen hundred total miles left to secure and for the

(02:12:48):
dollars at that cost and the effectiveness that it has
long term, especially in the event of a we go
back to a Democrat controlled Congress and White House where
you know, there what seemed to be their primary motivation
was to get as many people as possible across the
southern border. At least the wall would serve to slow

(02:13:08):
it down in that circumstance. So yeah, I think, you know,
you know, for value for a dollar, Yeah, I'm for
the wall, for the for the barricade, because it's going
to help our border patrol too. We went down to
the New Gallas crossing point, and I mean that place
is immaculate. They were showing us the intake and holding
areas and there wasn't the sole in there that when

(02:13:28):
while we were there, we didn't see anybody even attempt
to cross. And those guys are happy as they can be,
and they're working hard and been, you know, allowed to
do their job, which is all they ever asked for.
So I'm from making their job as easy as possible,
for protecting America at the highest level we can for
the most reasonable price we can, and I think the
wall does that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
Dave Taylor, and thanks to all those in the second
District in Ohio for electing Dave's doing a great job
up there, and keep up the great work, Dave, and
we'll continue to as we move forward with the Trump
administration see if he can't fulfill more of his promises
that he and Dave keep doing the great work.

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
My friend.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
I'll look forward to having it back in the morning
show real soon. Thank you, Brian, looking my pleasure. Eight
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honored to be here at Thank you for choosing me.
Oh please enjoy it. Happy looking forward to your insight
on these important matters. Let's talk about the veto overrides.
I was scratching my head. What does Governor de Wine
have against some small steps in the right direction of
providing the property owners here in the state of Ohio
with some property retax relief. Of the sixty plus vetos,
he singled out three of the ones that were related

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to a step in the right direction for property tax relief.
Now we can talk about the specifics of them, but
these were a consequence of a lot of study groups
and efforts and work over the years to hopefully come
up with a solution to get this onerous property tax
bill off our back. So this has been widely discussed
and these things were ferreted out and he vetos them

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and says, no, we need to talk about this more.
What's your take on this, Jack, what's he got against
property tax relief?

Speaker 14 (02:16:49):
Well, you know my take on it is he loves power,
he loves control, and he loves things done his way.
I guess what I scratched my head at was many
of the property tax provisions that were placed in that
biennial budget were actually the result of over a year
of research and investigation by lawmakers and hundreds of hours.

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So what they put in the bill was already the
product of a work group. And then Dwine comes out
and says, well, you know, I think what we need
to do is take a closer look at this.

Speaker 3 (02:17:21):
I'm going to create a work group. And he's done
just that. So he has already started that process of
creating a work group. You know, to me, it signals.

Speaker 14 (02:17:31):
And listen anyone who follows me on social media, anyone
who's followed by reporting on Governor Mike Dwine, I call
balls and strikes no matter who the person. But when
it comes to Governor Mike Dwine, I usually I don't
mince words. And this is just a guy that I
think is out of touch. I've never seen property owners

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here in the Buckeye State as livid as they are
right now, and rightfully so. I talked to a man
yesterday who has seen a thirty nine percent increase in
his latest property tax bill, and he explains to me
with what many of us already understand, which is great.
The value of my house went up almost forty percent,

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but I didn't sell it right, and now I have
to pay the difference in cash.

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
It's an unrealized gain. Your house is only worth what
you can sell it for on the open market at
the day of the sale close period, end of story.
They could say you all day long, your house is
worth eight hundred thousand dollars, but if no one out
there is willing to spend more than six hundred, you're
gonna sell it for six hundred A You're gonna stay.
It's unrealized gains.

Speaker 1 (02:18:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:18:35):
I mean, it seems to me that we could be
testing that in the courts. How can you tax me
on an unrealized value?

Speaker 14 (02:18:42):
I mean, that is it certainly seems unfair, and I
think that strikes at the heart of what lawmakers tried
to do with property taxes. And by the way, I
have to be the first to admit our tax structure
in Ohio, particularly when you looking at property taxes, it's

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a it's a mass. I mean, it's really hard to understand.
And I think the part of the effort, part of
the victory that lawmakers tried to celebrate when getting this
budget over the finish line, was they were going to
simplify the property tax code all all the different types
of levees that schools go out for. It can be

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very it can be very confusing. For example, there are
districts that go out and they'll declare it an emergency levee,
and as a voter, you go, oh, well, that sounds serious.

Speaker 3 (02:19:33):
We better we better approve that one or else, right.

Speaker 14 (02:19:37):
But unfortunately, what we found out through the vetting of
this UH, these property tax provisions, there was one school
district that was in an emergency levee position for twenty years.
And the question is what kind of an emergency is
it if for twenty years, it's you know, it's a
persistent issue. And so part of what this UH, this

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language tried to do was really dumb down the tax code.

Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
And so if you're a school district.

Speaker 14 (02:20:03):
You know, they're saying, there are only two types of levees,
and we're going to be very clear about what those are, right,
and here they are, and I think it takes away
a lot of confusion for voters. But I digress. I
probably need to come back up and so far in
the weeds there.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
No, that's okay, because what was it the forty percent cap?
If you didn't spend over forty percent of the prior
year's budget, you couldn't ask for a levey. I mean,
is that kind of what it boiled down to into
the provision that he vetoed.

Speaker 14 (02:20:32):
Yeah, So what we've seen is and I talked to
State Senator Andrew Brenner on this earlier in the week,
and I'm going to give you numbers that are not precise.

Speaker 3 (02:20:42):
So let's take this for what it is.

Speaker 14 (02:20:44):
But say a decade ago, schools carried over maybe ten
to eleven percent. That number has ballooned in terms of percentage.
It's it's well over forty percent. And schools were carrying
about ten and a half billion dollars in extra cash
in the past couple of years. And so lawmakers said, well, listen,

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if you're carrying that much cash and property owners are
struggling to pay their property tax bills. What we might
want to take a look at is giving these local authorities,
these local commissions, the opportunity to say, Okay, if you
have cash in excess of forty percent of your operating budget,

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we're going to return that to taxpayers who are struggling
to pay the tax bills.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
And that that is what got shot down.

Speaker 2 (02:21:34):
Yeah, and it seems like a very logical and reasonable
step in the right direction. So I understand they're bringing
back the lawmakers to override the three specific property tax
related provisions to wine vetoed jack your tea leaf. Prediction
on the success of that effort.

Speaker 14 (02:21:51):
Yeah, you know, the one that they're not certain about
is that forty percent cap, but I think the other
three are are pretty significant. One of them is making
sure that the twenty mili floor calculation is changed. And
without getting too confusing there, what's happening now is schools

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are going outside of what they could get at the
you know, the baseline two percent and creating these other
operating levees, and so lawmakers are going, now, we're going
to include all of that into calculation to eliminate this
type of confusion. I think I think the three other
than the forty percent cap on carryover money, I think

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they will pass. The twenty first is the target date
for the House members to return. The Senate is still
working on a date to return, but because it is
a House bill, it has to originate the override vote
and effort that is has to originate in the House,
So that will happen on the twenty first, and I

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expect the Senate we'll see probably sometime later in July,
if not early August. The challenge they're running into, I understand,
is a lot of lawmakers, as you know, they have
second jobs and or they have families, and this is
the time of year that they schedule vacations, and because
they need three fifths vote approval, you want to make

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sure you get all the lawmakers back, and I think
in the Senate that equates to about twenty two votes.
So they're going to make sure that they have all
the lawmakers back that are going to vote in favor
of overriding the Vedo.

Speaker 3 (02:23:24):
So it'll be just a little later for.

Speaker 2 (02:23:26):
The Senate, all right, fair enough, And they have a
window of opportunity that goes beyond the summer break period,
so if they can't get the cats herded before then,
they could bring them back, maybe in September or something
and address it at that point. Jack Windsor from the
Ohio Press Network editor in chief, we'll bring you back.
And I was mentioning earlier in the program. I've said
it a couple of times. What a great ideal opportunity

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since you now have to if you're able body, you
now have to work at least twenty hours or get
education at least twenty hours a week to continue Medicaid benefits.
What a perfect time to do that because there are
an abundance of job opportunities available for folks out there.
Let's continue with Jack after these brief words fifty five KRC.
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Coming up at eighty forty one fifty five KRCD Talk
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Ohio Press Network. It's Jack Windsor returning the fifty five
KRC Morning Show talking about budget line item vetos from
the governor in the last segment and pivoting over to
Ohio and the amount of jobs that are available. Sadly, though,
Hi according to the reporting from the High Press Network,

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Ohio's unemployment rate JACK is the ninth worst in the country.
And that's a statement in an article talking about small
business owners clamoring to find qualified employees and having a
desperate search to find those employees to fill the jobs
that are available. Our our labor participantation rate does not
have to be this low, and if those jobs are

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out there, we can improve that number of people just
got up and started applying for jobs, couldn't we.

Speaker 3 (02:25:55):
It sure seems that way.

Speaker 14 (02:25:56):
And so I'm on both sides of the aisle here,
one as a reporter and two my wife and I
have several small businesses that we operate, and so we're
living this Four point nine percent was the stated unemployment
rate in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (02:26:14):
The last iteration of numbers that we received.

Speaker 14 (02:26:17):
As you mentioned, it's not good compared to other states.
But what's really interesting is that unemployment is high and
businesses small businesses, and that's the distinction. Small businesses are
concerned at about two percentage points higher than they were

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last survey cycle on this so and by the way.
You know, there are a lot of businesses that operate
and you can think of what they are during the summer,
and so there's an increase.

Speaker 3 (02:26:52):
In need for employees.

Speaker 14 (02:26:54):
So it might not be that uncommon for smaller companies
to try to hire more. But I think there's something
going on in the workforce still. I always contend, and
I hate to beat this drum to death, I always
contend that there's a certain amount of people that became
brain broken during COVID. Oh yeah, and we see that

(02:27:17):
in the in the in the job market, and it's
a lot more of a fickle job market than I've
seen in a while. But it's it's certainly a struggle
for small businesses to find employ and keep good employees well.
And you know, I have a thirty two year old son,

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and I've heard this.

Speaker 2 (02:27:41):
Anecdotal stories and observations that he's passed along to me
about the age group and their mentality toward workforce. They
don't have any loyalty to know at all. And you know,
they'll walk off a job without even giving notice if
they find out what they perceive to be a better opportunity.
They're just up and gone. They don't feel like they
need gave you a two weeks notice. They won't even

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call back if you get an interview opportunity. It's just
like the ghost the employer who's reaching out to them
because they submitted a resume. It's a really weird You
mentioned fickle, but it's just the concept of loyalty and
desire to do hard work, even if for the sake
of work, it just doesn't It doesn't exist anymore, at
least it appears so well.

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
Yeah, there is a very interesting dynamic. And I'm probably
gonna reveal how old I am here and you and
I might be the same on this, Brian.

Speaker 14 (02:28:30):
When I was younger and I was looking for a job,
I put on a dagum suit and yeah, I printed
out resumes and I walked into places and said, Hi,
I'm Jack Windsor here's what I've done. Do you have
an opening? You know, you don't see that stuff anymore now.
Part of it is technology has advanced, and I get that,
but you know, there's there's two things that I think
I've seen in the workforce that I haven't seen, you

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know before, now that I'm really starting to notice. And
one of the things you just said is that there
is no loyalty and you know, for a few dollars more.

Speaker 8 (02:29:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:29:02):
But here's the other thing that I'm seeing.

Speaker 14 (02:29:04):
And maybe it's because workers are more in charge now,
maybe they have more choices, maybe they have more options.
But what I see is we, you know, we have
several employees who have multiple jobs. So instead of certainly
there are people who are unemployed. And then and then
you have people who work two or three jobs. And
so if you're one of those employers, now you're competing

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not only for their off time, but you're competing for
maybe they could work with that other job for fifty cents,
you know, more an hour.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (02:29:33):
Yeah, And so once in a while we'll call people
and say, hey, so and so called off, can you
show up? Ah, I've got my second job. Let me
let me call and see if I can you know,
go in later there or whatever. And so, you know,
there are just there's just weirder dynamics in the job
job market than I've seen in part of it.

Speaker 3 (02:29:50):
I'm going to go back to as I think.

Speaker 14 (02:29:52):
I think we became very accustomed to sitting on our
smartphones and watching wine with the wine at two o'clock
and a lot of people just like to stay on
the couch.

Speaker 2 (02:30:00):
Yeah, I certainly see that myself, and I can't let
this go without saying I wanted to go back to
the budget and get your reaction because I think I
know where it's going to be, the money for the
Cleveland Browns, and that's the subject of litigation. I talked
to the lead attorney at the Dan Law firm who's
launched this legal challenge, and I think he is going

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to be met with wild success and I see him
getting summary judgment on it. Because this is a taking
of private property for the use of going to another
private entity, in this particular case, the owner of the
Browns family. That's unconstitutional. I don't care how the budget reads.
You can't trump the constitutional reality of the countless cases
that have said you can't do that. So maybe it'll

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get overturned. But the simple concept of doing it, Jack,
who is it that that family has pictures of that
allowed them to get six hundred million dollars for a
private sports stadium. I mean that just drives me out
of my mind.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
Jack. Yeah, so.

Speaker 14 (02:31:00):
I could probably get out my soapbox for twenty minutes
here they're sixty seven line item vetos. Some of them
I scratch my head, like keeping library books that have
pornographic material or gender transition stuff within the line of
side of children and do wine over riding that veto.

Speaker 3 (02:31:16):
I don't get it either.

Speaker 14 (02:31:17):
I don't get keeping money for homeless shelters that socially
transitioned kids.

Speaker 3 (02:31:22):
I don't get it.

Speaker 14 (02:31:23):
I don't support it. But the one that I think
the optics are terrible on is you're skating. You're kicking
the can down the road on property tax reform. When
people are losing their homes, Brian, They're losing their homes,
homes that they've paid for, but because you know they're
on a fixed income or whatever, they can't They're going
to lose a home. But we're gonna give six hundred
million dollars to the Cleveland Browns. This is tone deafness

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at its peak in my opinion. And I joke and Brian,
maybe you can join me in this. I would argue
you and I provide much more of a public service
than the Cleveland clowns.

Speaker 3 (02:31:57):
Where's our millions? And then where's the line in the sand?
And when do you say no, we.

Speaker 14 (02:32:01):
Can't give it to that private business, that we can
give it to this private business. I think it looks awful.

Speaker 2 (02:32:06):
It looks awful, and you're a small business owner. Was
there a line forming around the block in the state
House that said this is where you stand in line
to put your hand in the cookie jar?

Speaker 3 (02:32:15):
No, well, and listen, Oh go ahead, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:32:17):
No, just making the point. I mean, that's clearly the
brown said they're footing the door or had an inroad.
They're obviously very politically well connected. They've got a lot
of campaign money to throw around. They're going to get
the money. Everybody else will suck on it.

Speaker 3 (02:32:30):
Yeah, that's just it. And and frankly, I think there's
a common thread here.

Speaker 14 (02:32:35):
We just talked about unemployment and small businesses being concerned.
You know who's not concerned, Intel anderill Right, The state
is very happy to help those bigger companies, and if
you're the Cleveland Browns and the Hasms, so that they're
willing to help you. But there are a lot of
mom and pop companies out there that could certainly use
some help.

Speaker 3 (02:32:55):
And so that's all I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 14 (02:32:57):
But I just think, listen, I grew up a Browns fan,
So obviously I'm patient and I know what heartache is.
But I just you don't give money to a private
enterprise to build a stadium. And by the way, it's
not the first time we've seen this movie, Brian. We
know that the promises that these families and these companies,
these sports teams make at the front end, they're never

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fulfilled on the back end.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
Never.

Speaker 14 (02:33:19):
They always overestimate and underdeliver. I don't know we should
not be shocked when this is the case here.

Speaker 2 (02:33:25):
I think there have been studies. There's no singles stadium
out there that has generated the return on investment that's
promised up front, and then after the project is built
you realize that no, maybe not, but it's too late
that by that point, Jack Winsor You're always welcome on
the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. I appreciate your insights,
your comments, your thoughts, and enjoy reading what you and
the other folks at the Ohio Press Network right about.

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It's online. You can find it, folks. I will recommend
it the ohiopressnetwork dot com. Jack, I look forward to
having back on the program real soon. Hepe.

Speaker 3 (02:33:54):
You have a wonderful weekend, my friend, you, Sue Brian,
thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:33:57):
Take care. It's eight forty nine fifty five care see talks.
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