55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday , Don Tolzmann, Jim Grindle

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Some sense.

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Will there it is? You know it's Friday. Got a woohoo,
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the morning show, just I like sleeping in. Anyhow, Tech
Friday coming up to six thirty. One of the one
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before you unsubscribe. North Koreans have secured remote jobs in
US companies and Google is reading your WhatsApp instant messages.
Now why would Google do that? He hates Google. Anyhow,
we'll hear from Dave Tinfoil Hatter at six thirty. Don

(01:29):
Hyry Toltman, our resident German expert with the book I
Am Innocent. It's a jail cell autobiography of Bruno Richard Haupman.
In case you don't remember, he is the German immigrant
who was accused, tried, and convicted of kidnapping and murdering
Charles Lindbergh Junior. Apparently harr Holtzman edited the book. So

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we're gonna hear from Don at seven thirty about the book.
Another book and in studio retired detective Jim Grendel local
retired detective his book Homicide Investigation. He was a former
Springdale Police Department officer and he's written this true crime
book about a homicide investigation. Think was a cold case anyway.

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He's also running another one and that has not yet
been released yet, but something tells me we may get
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of the content from my Heart wherever you have it
to be, including of course the podcast. Steve Gooden, So
happy I have Steve won the program yesterday talked about
Biden's auto pen and the legal ramifications of it. Has

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determined that it wasn't used appropriately or legal expert Steve
Gooden also running as a charter right for say City Council.
Great ideas solid across the board. Good Man, vote for him. Please,
Dear God, hasn't gotten his signatures yet, but you only
need five hundred by August twenty first, and he's not
going to have any problem whatsoever getting the signatures. Congressman

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Warren Davidson joined the show talk about a variety of
different issues, including the spending cuts package that did land
in the House yesterday and I got around the stroke
of midnight. It passed nine billion dollars. Oh my god,
one half of one percent or something along those lines,
some tiny little amount. It just raised so much concern

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and ire of Democrats. We can't cancel this USA program.
It was one of the representatives was screaming about protecting
the Sesame Street in Iran program one of the dumber
things identified by Doge, and believing that that would counter
the anti US sentiment in Iran. Think about that. You

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live in a country where the motto basically is death
to America and death to Israel, and you think a
half hour program funded by the United States is going
to change the hearts and minds, sort of like the
modern day Voice of America. You don't have to use
radio waves and bounce signals off of clouds into areas

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where they try to block the radio frequencies from coming
into the countries to avoid propaganda. You just put it
on TV thanks to USAID presumably multi million, if not
billion dollar contribution from you, the American taxpayer. Laughable concept,
at least that's how I come down. Anyway. Congress officially
sent it up Spending Package deal nine billion dollars in

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spending cuts, that Trump's going to sign it today. I
think today was a deadline. The Recision Package two sixteen
to two thirteen. After an intense debate between Republicans and Democrats,
the Republicans have voted against it. Representative Brian fitzpat Pennsylvania
Republican and Republican Mike Turner from here in Ohio. No

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explanation in the reporting I saw by why Mike Turners
voted know for it. So today being the deadline, the
White House is going to sign it. Otherwise they have
to re obligate those funds as they were initially allocated
by Congress. Mike Johnson calling it a victory but symbolic.

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So I'm describing this as a test on efforts to
claw back even more funds. And I got a parallel
to draw on that. Yeah, nine billion dollars a very
tiny fraction of the seven trillion dollars the federal government
shells out every year. So it is symbolic in a way.
But I'm glad it was block eight billion dollar block

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for US Agency for International Development USA one billion block
that would have gone to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
That's the one that got people all haunted to the
collar as if NPR and PBS are going to disappear.
It's a fraction of their overall budget. Most are from contributions,
and many are suggesting that given the outrage express that

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that's going to result in even more money going to
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and PBS like all these
liberal leftist donors are going to open their pocketbooks up
and write checks to keep them alive, because of course
you need American funding of broadcasting. It reminds me of
Soviet Union Russia when he really comes down to it. Anyway,
this is the first time a Decisions package has been

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signed into law since nineteen ninety nine. Not done very
frequently so, but given the dollar amount nine billion dollars,
and all the handwringing and all of the arguments and
outrage express mostly from the Democrats, how about four billion

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dollars slightly less than half of the total amount of
that is in the recision bill. It was that he's
going to sign California's high speed rail It was announced
earlier this week the Transportation Secretary to Sean Duffy terminated
four billion dollars in unspent federal funding going from the

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Federal Railroad Administration, your taxpayer dollars to this high speed
rail project that's gone literally nowhere in California. Four billion dollars.
In his statement, Duffy said, this is California's fault. Governor Knwsman,
the complicit Democrats have enabled this waste four years. Federal
dollars are not a blank check. They come with a

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promise to deliver results. The announcement followed months of scrutiny
after a comprehensive compliance review, along with feled attempts by
California High Speed Rail Authority CHISRA to address the product deficiencies.
Duffy's statement, after over a decade of failures, just as

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management incompetence has proven it cannot build, it's trained to
nowhere on time, We're on budget. It's time for this
boondoggle to die. President Trump and I will always fight
to ensure your tax dollars only go to projects that
accomplish great, big, beautiful things. Fine, how much? How many
miles of rail did they build on this? This has
been going on for years. Zero. Not a single track

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has been laid since ground was broken ten years ago. Meanwhile,
costs continued to balloon. President Trump said, you know, to
the law abiding, tax paying, hardworking citizens of the United
States of America, I'm thrilled amounts that I've officially freed
you from funding California's disasterly overpriced I Speed Trained to Nowhere.

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He went on, miss boondoggle led by Incomona Governor California
Gavin new Scum, as he always refers to him as
cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars and we have
received nothing in return except cost overrun. The railroad we
were promised still does not exist and never will. This
project was severely overpriced, overregulated, and never delivered thanks to
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. Not a single penny and federal

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dollars will go toward the Newscomb scam. Ever, again, this
was an ill conceived and unnecessary project in a total
waste of taxpayer money. But no more. There you go.
Representative Kevin Kelley, he's Republican in California. He sponsored legislation
to prohibit further federal funding of this boondoggle project, saying
California's icepeed rail is the worst public infrastructure disaster in

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US history. The project that was supposed to be finished,
these were the facts really are just mind boggling, as
he notes, the project was supposed to be finished five
years ago. Remember, ground broke ten years ago and they
haven't laid a single track. Supposed to be finished five

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years ago at a cost of thirty three billion dollar
dollars is now projected to take till the end of
this century at a cost of one hundred and thirty
billion dollars. I'm grateful that Trump and Secretary Duff you
are sparing our taxpayers by cutting off federal funding. The
state must now follow suit with this disastrous project down
and spend our transportation dollars where they are needed our roads.

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This some of course, didn't take this lying down, obviously
threatening lawsuits. Release the statement in response to the Trump
administration what they determined to call illegally determining federal grant
agreements from the funding California's high speed rail and get
a load of the statement. Newsom Trump wants to hand
China the future and abandon the Central Valley. How does

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China come into the equation? What does China have anything
to do with this boondoggle project? Go ahead, make some
sense of that if you will. If you come over
with an answer, please call Newson went on. We won't
let him with projects like the Texas High Speed Rail
failing to take off. We are miles ahead of others,

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miles ahead of others. That's actually a funny statement, given
it a zero miles of track have been laid and
the project has been basically a non starter since it
ground brog ten years ago. Think a little bit more
about your words, Gavin. Then he what goes on to say,
we're now in the track laying phase and building America's

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only high speed rail California, putting all options on the
table to fight this illegal action. Of course it'll end
up in court. Oh the Dot also pointed out that
they were going to pursue recovery of previously dispersed funds,
claw back what you and I have paid for so
far on the project that hasn't or yielded any fruit
at all. In addition to canceling that four billion and

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unspent funds, Secretary Ducky Duffy directed the Rail Authority to
review other obligated and unobligated grants related to this boondoggle project.
Back in June, there was a three hundred page report
that was released. It looked at the project and found delays,
missed deadlines, mismanagement, waste, skyrocketing costs, budget shortfalls, and over

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representation of product project ridership. Other key findings in the
report revealed that the project faced ongoing and increasing contractor
cost overruns due to delays. That's inflation. It's called inflation.
You know you're gotta start a project today. If you
don't start it until ten years from now, guess what
ten years from now, it's going to be more expensive

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to do. Duh. Initially it was that it was sold
as a two phase what they describe as visionary system
connecting LA at a San Francisco and then later north
the Sacramento and south to San Diego. Boy, that was
a big project. Boy, this is going to be great

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when it gets done. Hm. That three hundred page report
pointed out there's a seven billion dollar funding gap to
complete a subset of the first phase in the Central
Valley connecting Merca to Bakersfield. Where how many riders are

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going to be on that leg if they ever built it,
And they have not built even part of it yet.
And since the project's inception, that grand two phase visionary
system connecting LA to San Francisco and Sacramentoo south to
San Diego, it has been dramatically reduced the project size

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from an eight hundred mile segment to a one hundred
and seventy one mile segment, again at an escalating cost,
now up to one hundred and thirty billion dollars and
again and not a single track laid. So okay, that's
why I brought it up. Four billion dollars for that
one project funding pulled unspent nine billion dollars in the

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recision package, which I think goes to the point it
probably could have been a lot bigger recision package. Keep
your popcorn out and wait for Decision Package number two,
which is already being discussed five nineteen. Right now, feel
free to give me a call if you've got something
you want to talk about. I'd love to hear from you.
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Five twenty three you fifty five pair CV talk station
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tech Priday, a day patter coming up with six thirty
a little more than an hour from now and tech

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related article making the news White House to an executive
order are woke Artificial intelligence? Apparently, executive orders being prepared
to prevent tech companies from incorporating woke models into AI.
Into their AI models going after diversity, equity and inclusion
and if is according to people familiar, the order would

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dictate that artificial intelligence companies that get federal contracts federal
money always comes with strings attached, get used to it
requires them to be politically neutral and unbiased in their
artificial intelligence models, because, as many have noted, quite often
they reflect a very liberal bias. Will Street Journal pointing

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out some of the bias that's been noted by people
over the years, prompt responses that have angered consumers inaccurately
depicting historical figures as people of color, Google was Gemini
AI should a black join George Washington? And racially diverse Nazis?
I think we must observe they weren't. They also come

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up with fake information called hallucinations. Dave Hadters brought this
up many times, generating wrong answers or well in site
like Creatson, for example, in legal situations creating whole cloth
built out of nowhere ether case law that some lawyers
have been dumb enough to actually incorporate into the briefs
before the court. Listen, my lawyer friends all know this.

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If you saw a citation, you can go and look
up the citation and see if it's really a genuine case,
think Lexus Nexus or West Law. That's what it's for.
Nobody keeps hard copies of books around anymore. It's all
been boiled down and put in ones and zeros, so

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anyway makes up stuff. So this is an effort to
stop that from happening. And it's presumed that the artificial
intelligence companies out there, all vying for contracts with the
federal government may follow and this executive order and create
perhaps what we could all argue is better artificial intelligence
models that are in fact free from bias. Five twenty six.

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Right now, time for twelve not traffic, that's the next segment.
Gotta wait till five forty for that, Brian, don't have
to wait to go to the phones as is typically traditioned.

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Tom Happy Friday, Welcome in the morning, show my friend.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Thank good morning.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
I with working and doing everything else, I don't get
a chance to pay as much attention to things as
I liked. Was there a follow up on that? Remember
that story? Yesterday? Right after I got off the boat.
He talked about a guy that followed some woman at
home and he had his kids in the car and
wound up going to her house to get in a

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fight with the husband or something. You remember that story?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Oh yeah, yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Was there a follow up, like a news conference from
Claremont County or anything on that story? Because if I
heard the story correctly, he got separated from his kits.
Isn't that like a big deal? Isn't that like the
worst ever, right.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, no, no protesters, No protesters in the street talking
about the separation of children from dad.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Now, oh, I think we ought to get something started
at least a go bug me page.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. My recollection, my recollection of the story is that
his wife, the mother of the kids he had in
the car with him when he entered that home illegally,
actually helped the police arrest.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Him, met up with him at a convenience story. Yeah,
I guess she got the kids.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's where I'm going on that one. She obviously is
far more responsible than he is in terms of decision making.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
So yeah, where you come up with a baseless accusation
like that? Yeah, well one and the same subject, but
to switch it up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
One of the best takedowns ever was Tom Holman and
AOC where she's grilling him about the whole separation of
families and oh, you know all these families are being separated,
and he's talking about zero intolerance, and he basically smelled
out for, look, if I get pulled over for a
DUI and now get arrested, I'm gonna be separated from

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my children. And what happens to everybody these people a screen,
bloody murder when normal, everyday stuff happens that what happened
to you? And I, oh, it's happening to an immigrant.
Oh no, it's terrible. These people are absolutely ridiculous. They
make no sense. And then you got the senator I
forget where she's from, just recently was talking about how

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you know, the Democrats we need to we need to understand,
we need to know where these people are coming from. Well,
that's exactly what Republicans have been saying. And in the
whole phase, he's like, oh, well, immigrants or Republicans are
foment to immigrant hate.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
No we're not.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
We're saying exactly what you were saying. It's just and
when we say it, we're apparently hateful. And when you
say you're altruistic and you have so much compassion and
all that, you're full of crap? Is what's your lady?
And all Democrats are so don't vote Democrat. Have a
great league in Bryan, you.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Too, Tom. I always wait to see how he's going
to ultimately arrive at his conclusion. Yeah, and Donald Trump
lies awake at night thinking about the day when he
can reach Barack Obama levels of deportation. I think he
was the king of deportation, at least in terms of
overall numbers of illegal immigrants deported under any administration. So yeah,
it's okay when Barack Obama does it, but because evil

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Orange Man's behind the effort, it's now bad times. They
are changing over the local stories. Internal email WCPO looked
into this, showing details of the Sinsini Police Department's plan
to increase its presence and over the Rhine because of
the rise and violent crime. Email apparently explains a new
detail requiring offers to be officers to be visible on

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Vine and Main Streets from Central Parkway to Liberty Street
between noon and midnight. And apparently if the department doesn't
have enough volunteers to do this patrol, the email says
officers will be mandated, that's the word in the email,
to fill the shifts that on top of the regular shifts.
FOP president Ken Kober, talking to WCPO about this, said

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officers are stretched too thin right now, and adding another
eight hours of walking outside their schedule just is probably
not going to fly. He said, We're going past this
is no longer a volunteer. We're going to force you
to do this if you don't sign up and work it,
and that's where officers are saying enough is enough. He said.
He also questioned the need in that particular area, noting
that's not really where the bulk of the crime is

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being committed. And that's kind of what I was scratching
my head over, especially given that the shift is noon
to midnight. Joe, isn't it your recollection that most of
the crimes and the murders and the assaults happen right
around two thirty in the morning or three o'clock in
the morning. Yeah, I mean, that's what I've been reading
for the past what months, not all of it, I'll acknowledge.

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CBO check the data showed that there have been four
homicides in Over the Rhine this year, one in that
patrol area, twenty nine aggravated assaults in all of Over
the Rhine, just a handful of them in the area
of the patrol. So go ahead and scratch your head
over that one. Data shows most violent crime and over
the Rhine is happening north of Liberty Street, so outside
of the new patrol area. Cober says he's wondering if

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three CDC is the one behind the effort in an
effort to protect his investments and over the Rhine organization
owns or manages much of the property in the designated area.
When you call a shift a detail, can Cober, talking
with Tanya Orourke at CBO, said that means a third

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party like three CDC is footing the bill. He said,
am I nearly twenty five years here, I have never
heard of an instance where officers are forced to work
for a private company. So CPO pivoted over to three
CDC's president, who said he doesn't pay for the details,
but he does pay for details rather, but he's not
paying for this one. Cobra estimates that it's going to

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cost about sixty thousand dollars a month. CPO talked tried
to get police chief and the city manager's office to
comment on it, but they did not receive a response
by the time the story was reported. H five thirty six,
Right now fifty five K see the talk station dack
oh stupid coming up or you can call either way

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you go be right back fifty five. The talk station
must be five forty on a Friday, because of course,
and Joe Strecker is your executive ducer and he's a
Primis fan. That's what you get in a very happy Friday.

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Wo segue into the stacking stupid. And it's Friday, so
we got naked people in the stacking stupid. We'll start
with a naked people in a stolen RV. Not Florida,

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West Virginia, where a couple was naked and having sex
in a stolen RV. Cops pulled a moving vehicle over
after a spot in the driver being straddled by his
intoxicated female passenger. During the traffic stop in Bluefield, Appalachian
Mountain City. Patrolman approach the RV found Shannon Bryant, thirty five,

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now sitting behind the wheel. Passerby yelled out that the
occupants had switched seats before I made contact with them,
stated Officer Ham, who added that Matthew McDonald forty eight,
was the passion in the passenger seat. I inquired about
their actions while the vehicle is in motion, Yes, said
to it, which Miss Brian candidly responded, we were f wording.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
What.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah. Of course that's not the way she phrased it.
Mister Bryant, MS, who appeared to be highly intoxicated that's
in the report. And McDonald were ordered out of the
RV after being read as rights. McDonald reportedly admitted that
he and Bryant were naked and attempting to engage in
sexual activity while driving, and they switched seats upon being

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spotted by the squad. Car search of the vehicle turned
up drug paraphernalia, bag containing white powdery substance and pain killers,
and broken glass pipe in the area. I think I
read this one earlier in the week. Bryan told police
that McDonald had thrown drugs from the vehicle during the
traffic stop. Vehicle check revealed the RV had been reported
stolen from Princeton, a nearby city. The arrest of for

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indecent exposure, drug possession, DUI have possession of a stolen vehicle.
Both have pleaded not guilty. Have extensive criminal records that
have not been able to post bond. Okay, Florida. You
knew Florida was going to show up here at always
is in the news in the stack of stupid. We
got a Florida man behind bars on a felony charge

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for a pair of Walmart sex toy thefts. What forty
year old Jeffrey LaForge arrested Friday in a pair of
theft counts, which he's being held in lieu of a
ten thousand dollars bond. Wow, obviously we're not in California
on this one. Two separate occasions, police charged that he

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swiped a variety of adult toys from Walmart in South
Pasadena and Penelas County. SETI. Store security cameras reported Lafarge
removing items from their packaging and then leaving the Walmart
without paying for them. The two hundred and eighty dollars
worth of good stolen included a thirty one dollars and
forty four cent quote Tush toys close quote Hold on,

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let me get a reading from Jim. You would advise
against saying, okay, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Going to.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
One other I'd have valuated fourteen dollars and ninety eight cents.
Will not be identified by its name on the fifty
five Caroseme Morning show even at the five o'clock hour.
It's only fifteen dollars, Joe, And apparently they have them
at Walmart, so you know if you're interested. Also accused

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of stealing a Reese's Peanut butter ice cream. Valued at
three dollars and ninety eight cents. And they have a
whole list of the different sort of I guess marital
aids that he stole. There's quite a few of them, say.
It's not clear whether the sex toys were in and
for personal use or resale, though the lack of packaging

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might cause a perspective buyer concern that the items were used. Yes,
he took them out of their packages before walking out
with him gross. This merchandise value less than thousand dollars
of sex toy thefts would normally be charged of misdemeanor. However,
due to his history of multiple theft convictions, the accounts
have been enhanced to felonies. What mean rather descriptive names

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for these toys too. I might point out five forty five.
If if five cares of the talk station more stupid
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By forty nine it's by KRCD talk station Happy Friday
to get back over the stack is stupid? And why
not quote to Louisiana for this one smoking gun reported

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with no defense in hand. A man has fleeted guilty
to an obscenity charge for pleasuring himself inside a storage
shed that was for sale at a Lowe's in Louisiana.
Maybe a hockey player joe that is possible storage shed
about the same size as a penalty box. Sixty six

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year old George kaliavas Mid of the fellerity charge during
a district court hearing. He was locked up on a
fifteen thousand dollars bail after his mail eleventh rest at
the Lowe's outlet in Slidel released from custody after his
July fourteenth guilty plea. As detailed in the police department report,

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cops responded to the home improvement store upon receiving a
nine to one one call from a store manager about,
in quotes, a mail subject naked inside a shed for
sale at the Loewe's parking Lot phrasing. During a canvas
of this various storage sheds located in the Loew's parking lot,
Officer Brian LeBlanc discovered Calivius Quote lying in a soupine

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position on the floor of the shed beneath the window.
Pants and underwear were at his ankles, and he was
using his left hand to touch his exposed private parts.

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Why are you doing that? Le Blank noted that there
was an open tube of vaciline petroleum jelly to the
immediate left of Calebas's person that's in the rest report.
In the report, it also says he was watching an
unknown video on his cellular phone and he had headphones
in his ears. After being handcuffed and his riots, he

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advised that he had been well pleasuring himself. Not his words.
He was a little bit more graphic inside the enclosure,
one of multiple sheds Lows had on display for sale
while customers are free to browse the shed. That was
noted in the arrest report. He had no reasonable expectation
of privacy in the shed. Wow, Yeah, I don't know

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what the clean up situation involved, Joe. There was no
comment on that from the Lows personnel. Forty six year
old man taking it into custody after an alleged assault
and failed to escape attempt were in Sumter Counting, South
Carolina for this one, where deputies say that Kelly Jack
Brielan was found naked in a tree after reportedly assaulting

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someone at a home ten minutes after two am Wednesday.
Deputies responded to the residents after reports of an assault.
Witnesses say he became violent and assaulted a before leaving
the house completely naked. After a short search, deputies located
him in the aforementioned tree. Rested charge with a second
degree assault and battery, as well as third degree domestic violence.

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Taken to the Sheriff's office detention center, being held on
a twenty five thousand dollars bond. Obviously not in Hamilton County. Asheville,
North Carolina, man arrested for running naked around the West
Ashville neighborhood and attempting to break into at least one

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home has pleaded guilty. Why are you doing that? Let's
find out maybe. Back in August, the twenty three officers
with the Ashville Police Department dispatched at Madeleine Avenue. Homeowners
reported hearing a man yelling in their next door neighbors
fenced in backyard. They said that after directing two young
children inside their home, the residents said the naked man
jumped over the fence into their yard and attempted the

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ender the side door of the house, but arrival police
later found the naked guy, identified as Ronald Jamal Billings,
inside a home that was under construction Billings originally charged
with felony indecent exposure, misdemeanor decent exposure, felony breaking, rendering
with intent to terrorize, misdemeanor breaking and entering injury to
personal property, first degree trespassing, and resisting slash delay, slash obstructing.

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In the plea deal, however, he pleaded guilty of the
misdemeanor indecent exposure and resisting public off a public officer,
sentenced to forty five days served. Notably a neck tattoo guy.
And finally, we'll end in Englewood, Florida, where a man
completely naked arrested Saturday in Englewood after being accused of
charging at a deputy and threatening others. Charlotte County Sheriff's

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Office said they responded to the area of Placida Road
on reports of a naked guy in public, yelling profanities
and threatening to harm. A woman who happened to be
carrying a baby. Showed up found the forty year old
Justin Grover Miller, completely naked and yelling at Unknone. Suspects
refused to acknowledge the deputies adhere to their command. Ignoring deputies,
he continued to walk through a public park towards Santa

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Caslor Drive. Miller then ran towards a Dollar General in
the area. When he observed deputies approaching. They followed him
into the store and tased him twice after he failed
to follow verbal commands. He did manage to escape and
began running through the Dollar General parking lot, exposing himselself
completely to other patrons, as well as children in the area.

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That time, Miller charged directly toward the deputies on the
scene and forcibly ran through the officer. He was ultimately
taken into custody for resisting with violence, batteran law enforcement officer,
and exposure of sexual organs to the public. Five fifteen
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And I still haven't quite made heads or tail out
of this. Donald Trump called to release, in his words,
all pertinent grand jury testimony regarding Jeffrey Epstein. This after
this high profile craziness that's been going on, of course,
the reversal of the promise that we were going to
get the documents and wait a minute, there's nothing here.

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There is no file, there is no list, We've got nothing.
And that sounds kind of strange coming from the Trump administration.
Who's many of the Trump supporters are claiming all kinds
of conspiracy theories or at least asking for the answer
to many questions that are looming out there. Like I
said yesterday, based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given

(38:23):
to Jeffrey Epstein. I've asked Atorney General Pan Bondi to
produce any and all pertinent grand jury testimony, subject to
court approval. This scam all caps perpetrated by Democrats should
end right now, Bondi in her response, President Trump, we
are ready to move the court tomorrow to unseal the
grand jury transcripts.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
This, oddly enough, probably leading to more speculation and conspiracy theories,
coincides with The Wall Street Journal publishing the reports that
Donald Trump signed a card. I think it was related
to Epstein's fiftieth birthday. This is many years before he
was accused of, tried and convicted of well molesting children

(39:13):
two thousand. Yeah, go way back to two thousand and
three for this one. Although Donald Trump denies that it's his,
so he says he's prepared a lawsuit against Wall Street Journal. Quote.
The Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch personally were warned
directly by President Donald J. Trump that the supposed letter
they printed by President Trump to Epstein was a fake
and if they printed, they will be sued. Mister Murdock

(39:36):
stated that he would take care of it, but obviously
did not have the power to do so. The editor
of Wall Street Journal. Emma Tucker was told directly by
Carolyn Levitt and by President Trump that the letter was
a fake, but Emma Tucker didn't want to hear that. Instead,
they're going with false, malicious and defamatory story. Anyway, press
has to learn to be truthful and not rely on

(39:58):
sources that probably don't even exist. Also called the Wall
Street Journal a disgusting and filthy rag. If there were
any truth to all at all on the Epstein hoax,
as it pertains the President Trump, this information would have
been revealed by Comy Brennan, Crooked Hillary, and other radical

(40:18):
left lunatics years ago. Now that I think that is
a valid point. I mean they actually went out of
a limb and made stuff up whole cloth about Trump
and then went immediately to the press with for your
quote unquote leaks from inside confidential sources or well, here's
the Steele dossier, which ultimately was leaked and it was fake.

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So there is a precedent for Donald Trump calling this
card a fake, and that's what the Wall Street Journal
reported on. Now, I didn't see a photograph or a
shot of the card, but apparently there's an outline he
made it a sort of a not an obscene gesture,

(41:05):
but it was an outline of a naked woman. And
it's a happy birthday, and may every day be another
wonderful secret was scrawled down there. The letter bears Trump's name,
several typewritten texts framed by the outline of a naked woman.
Trump said, that isn't anything he would ever say, and

(41:25):
he has never drawn a picture of a naked woman ever.
So you have a precedent for the Democrats lying and
making things up. You have Donald Trump reversing on the
release of the Epstein documents. Now he's calling for the
release of the grand jury testimony. That's, I guess, part
of the total package of information, which is does anybody

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else perceive that as a one hundred and eighty degree
shift from where he was just the other day calling
this all nonsense and made up and telling his supporters
to quit, just drop the whole thing, generally speaking, because
there's nothing there.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Certain Trump detractors will say no, the only reason and
he did that and changed gears and went down that
roads because well, among the documents was this birthday card
from two thousand and three, which contains a picture a
drawn image of a naked woman and happy birthday, and
may every day be another wonderful secret. God knows what
that's supposed to even mean. JD. Van, for his part,

(42:21):
also criticized the Wall Street Journal forgive my language, but
this story is complete and other bs. He didn't say
bs he wrote out the whole word. The Wall Street
Journal should be a shamed for publishing it. Where is
this letter? He asked, Would you be shocked to learn
that they never showed it to us before publishing it?
Does anyone honestly believe this sounds like Donald Trump? Well,

(42:43):
I'm sure there are people who believe it does sound
like Donald Trump. There's a lot of people out there
that hate scuts and believe literally anything out there. So
we're kind of left to wonder. And in the final analysis,
I just say, gal, find you're gonna release the grandjury
testimone really everything else that is unless and no one
has answered this question, are they're currently ongoing investigations into

(43:10):
people who hung out with Epstein that molested young women
broke the law in doing so. If those investigations are
going on, that would provide the absolute prevention of the
release of the document to the extents it relates to
the prosecution or the investigations of potential criminal activity, that'd

(43:31):
be a legitimate reason not to bring it out. You
could say that out loud. I know the Department of
Justice doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, but under the circumstances,
it seems like an appropriate time to say, no, we
have some pending criminal investigations. We're not going to daim
names that are ongoing. But the documents in these so

(43:51):
called Epstein files that aren't released do relate to those investigations,
and as a consequence, can't be released because they might
interfere with the investigation. That's a perfectly legitimate claim to assert,
but it hasn't been asserted, and that's one of the
looming questions many people have out there. Listen, this guy
was involved, and everyone knows it knows, notably because he

(44:12):
was convicted of it, but continue to be involved with
fooling around with underage women, and he hung out with
a lot of people, and a lot of them. There's
victims list. There's people who've come forward and said they
were victims of Epstein molesting them and victims of others
molesting them. Members of the royal family included, right, are
they going to be brought to justice? Just asking, I'd

(44:42):
like to think so, or I'd like to get the
definitive answer that no, all of this was blown out
of proportion. But at least in so far as Trump
is concerned. He did make a great point, and that is,
if this actually exist, if this was a real thing,
this letter that he allegedly penned him to Jeffrey Epstein,

(45:05):
then yes, it certainly would have been brought up by
the Left. I can't imagine them passing on an opportunity
if it's a genuine document, unlike the Steele dossier, which
they they held up and waved around and claimed as
genuine for years. That was whole cloth made up. But

(45:29):
if his card was actually in there, and it actually
was done by Donald Trump, they certainly would have brought
it up, unless, of course, the other conspiracy theory is
that no, they couldn't bring it up because filled within
the among the Epstein documents, let's just call him a
bunch of banker's box lit of documents, there's damning evidence
against Democrats, in which case it would have been worth
their time to bring up that one document, because then

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we'd all be clamoring and calling for more documents to
be released, which might implicate Democrats. But see, all this
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Trump's getting some I've work done. He had an executive

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quarterback in January regarding gender related surgery and treatment of
miners in hospitals with hormone replacement therapy. The therapy the
Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation that he signed
January twenty eighth of this year, stating the administration will
not fund, sponsored, promote, assist, or support so called transition
of a child from one sex to another, and that

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will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these
destructive and life threatening procedures patients nineteen and under. Chemical
and surgical surgical mutilation includes the use of pubity blockers,
sex hormones, and surgical procedures. That's a cord to the
order that you can see on the White House web page.
Attorney General Pamela Bond He said, medical professionals and organizations

(48:54):
that mutilated children in the service of a warped ideology
will be held accountable by this Department of Justice. Well,
apparently it's working. Fox reporting the hospitals now are not
providing this so called gender affirming care for youth patients
in accordance with the executive order. Go to Russia Medical
Center in Chicago announced it it is stopping the treatments.

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Spokesperson for Rush Klinger said that it has paused hormonal
therapies for new patients under the age of eighteen. Although
apparently adults can continue to be eligible for the treatments,
and miners who are already receiving these so called gender
related gender affirming care treatments will continue to get them.

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HMM Department of Justices earlier this month announced that it
issued more than twenty subpoenas the doctors and clinics involved
in performing these procedures. New York Presbyterian also removed and
changing even its online verbage of the COMPASS program, described
previously as a safe space for youth navigating their gender

(50:01):
experience and offering puberty suppression and gender affirming hormone treatment.
Now they described the program as a supportive space for
youth and gender Any references to gender affirming care have
been taken off New York Presbyterian's website, and their spokesperson said,

(50:22):
we continue to work through this evolving situation to comply
with applicable state and federal laws and rags as always
our priorities to serve all of our patients in compassionate
and responsible way. Stanford Medicine halted their quote gender affirming surgeries,
according to their statement, after careful review of the latest
actions and directives from the federal government. Donald Trump and

(50:44):
following consultations with clinical leadership, including our multidisciplinary LGBTQ plus
program and its providers, Stanford paused providing gender related surgical
procedures as part of our comprehensive range of medical services
for LGBTQ plus patients and under the age of nineteen,
effective June second of this year. Cleveland Clinic also said

(51:05):
it does not provide gender firming treatments to patients of
the age of nineteen. So it's a growing trend, folks,
And this is, of course a trend that's been growing
for a long time. Over in Europe. Quite a few
countries have banned this. It's outright malpractice. They determined it
doesn't do any good for these In fact, researchers determined
that the rate of depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance

(51:28):
use disorders were in the studies words, significantly higher among
those with gender dysphoria who underwent surgery, which is a
way of saying the surgery actually exacerbates the problem. And
that seems totally logical and reasonable to me. Now you're

(51:49):
suffering from gender dicephia, you really really really want to
be a woman. If you're a guy or of course
a guy, if you're a woman, surgery is not going
to accomplish that. It's recreating or creating from whole cloth

(52:09):
genitals that didn't previously exist. And to the extent anyone
has an expectation that they are going to perform and
function the way that biological men and women's genitals function
is completely duped. Go ahead and read into that. The
complications associated with sewing something on or turning something inside

(52:33):
out are unbelievable, and yeah, I can imagine that might
cause you the suicidal ideation, significant anxiety, and also compound
any substance use disorders that you might have if you
go through and get the surgery. Wait a second, did
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Speaker 4 (54:28):
Always my pleasure, Brian. Happy to be here and hopefully
we're doing some useful stuff out there, making people best safer.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
All right, Puzzled by the headline of the first subject matter,
think twice before you unsubscribe. I mean, I thought the
biggest problem with unsubscribing is it's making it so difficult
to even accomplish unsubscribing from something.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, well that's a good point, Brian. And you know,
in the business, we call that a dark pattern, and
you see those everywhere because in so many instances, these
companies are making enormous money monetizing your data, so they
don't want you to unsubscribe. They want to make things
as sticky as possible in terms of the consumption of them,
and then as difficult as.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Possible to leave.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
So again, if you hear the term dark pattern, that's
what they're talking about. This is a little more nefarious though,
and it relies on something you and I have talked
about so many times, which is fishing and spoofing. So
I know when people hear all these terms are like
now what does that really mean? So spoofing is the
idea that virtually anything that's digital, an entire website, an email,
a text message now thanks to AI, video, audio, etc.

(55:32):
Can be boofed. Right, it's bogus, it's not legitimate. And
then you know, I think everyone knows what fishing is,
whether it's an email or a text or phone call
or whatever. And there are some slight distinction in the
specific technical names, but you know, phishing, I'm going to
send stuff out hopefully find someone who'll bite on it
if you uses spoofing. And in this case, what they're

(55:52):
doing is, at best you get an email or some
message that says, hey, if you don't want this anymore,
unsubscribed it best. It's not really yeah, it's not really nefarious.
It's just a way for them to know you're there.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Right sure.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
The more nefarious part though, is it's a completely spoofed message,
and that unsubscribed link or button is actually either a
way to ask you to log in and steal your
username of password, yeah, a credential, or it tries to
download some kind of now where keystrokelogg or ransomware or
something to your device.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
So well, wait a second, let me let me let
me poke a hole in this for a second. Given
how difficult it is to unsubscribe, how likely is it
that any of these organizations or entities with whom you
have a subscription or a former relationship, how likely is
that they would actually give you the opportunity to make

(56:49):
it easy for you to unsubscribe.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Yeah, most of them don't now, But that said, you know,
for actual legitimate organizations, Let's say iHeartMedia for example, right,
maybe you download their app, you sign up for a
mail list, and somewhere along the way you get tired
of the emails you decide to unsubscribe. This is a
legitimate organization. You know, they can Spam Act, which is
a law that tries to regulate and control spam, which

(57:13):
obviously isn't working very good. As I'm sure everyone could agree,
you know, requires you know certain things of legitimate companies,
so you know, you can legitimately unsubscribe from some mail
list if you're dealing with a legitimate company. But to
your point, companies don't want you to unsubscribe. They often
make it tricky, and the real bottom line is by

(57:33):
using the unsubscribed feature of something that you are not
unless you have like a ninety nine percent conference level.
It's real. By using that unsubscribed link. Again, at best,
you've just told someone there is a warm body here,
and at worst it might be a thinly veiled attempt
to get you to do some of the farious or
something that will lead to the farious activity in your name.
So my advice would be, since it's hard to tell

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when the spooky keeps improving, don't bother unsubscribing. Simply if
you wonder if truly unsubscribe, you go to the organization
that's sending you the emails, go to their website, unsubscribe
for whatever you need to do from their website, or
simply just start blocking the mails, right, Just tell it,
Tell your mail client this is spam, send it to
junk block it, and then you won't see them anymore.

(58:18):
So sadly, Brian, this is just another example of how
creative these people are and how they will leverage legitimate
concepts to defraud you in some way.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah again, I suppose you today it's like one of
those count to ten moments when you encounter anything like this,
you know, be very start on the unjaded, cynical and
suspicious and start with a position that it's probably not real.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
And then that's a smart approach.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, and then, as always, go to the original website.
You've offered that advice so many times, that's why I'm
repeating it. It's like I can't believe no one has
gotten the message yet never ever, ever, opt break through
whatever you have gotten unsolicited. If it sounds like a
good idea, like yeah, I really did want to unsubscribe
to Amazon, then go to Amazon dot com and accomplish that.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
That's exactly right. Go to Amazon dot com, log into
your account, find your communication settings or whatever they call it,
and start unsubscribing from those things. But you know, you're
exactly right. Sadly, we are in a world today where
it's very easy to spew something and as a result,
and distribute it at mass to large numbers of people.
So it's never been more important to have a healthy
dose of skepticism to be aware of these kind of scams.

(59:34):
So I'm glad you guys picked this story. And then yeah,
take it breath, move cautiously. Understand that much of what
you're getting, maybe most of it some people, it's some
kind of scam.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, I know, there are people out there that think
I'm ignoring them to the extent you sent me something
legitimate and I haven't clicked on it. Sorry, you just
caught up in the web of my uh distrust of
everything out there.

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you'll stay out of trouble. Hey, real quick, Dave, before
we get to the North Koreans doing remote work for
US companies, frightenings that may be. It made me think

(01:00:20):
about the most recent legislation in the budget, which is
going to ban pornography without proper ID checks here in
the state of Ohio, yep. And one of the things
that immediately came to my mind, well, if you have
a VPN, they don't even know you're in the state
of Ohio, you could be literally appear as if you're
in Norway or something or some other state that doesn't
have that kind of law. But in the article they
said they were going to address that through something called

(01:00:42):
geo fencing. Can you explain that, because when I'm looking
at North Koreans working at companies in the United States,
it seems to me that the companies could figure out
that these people are operating out of North Korea, unless,
of course they're using a VPN. So what's the story
on this? Can you help me out?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Yeah? Yeah, So the idea of geo fencing is, you
know who, however you connect to the Internet, whether it's
your cellar carrier or you know a landline based carrier
like Spectrum or somebody you know, ALTI fiber fill in
the blank, they have a range of IP addresses and
when you connect to their servers for your Internet access,

(01:01:17):
you're going to get assigned an IP address. They can
know roughly where you are. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
First, only for a cell phone, because you can, you know,
you can use the pings and locate it. Even if
you don't have your cell phone location device on, they
can still figure out where you are where the phone is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
But even your computer sitting on your desk at home
for example. Right, let's say you use Ulta fiber, Well,
it gets an IP address assigned from Aultifiber, they can
know that you're coming from Aulti Fiber altifibers in the
greater Cincinnati region. And then you know, Ulti Fiber has
certain ranges assigned to certain areas, so you know, within
a relatively small area, they can know where you come from.

(01:01:54):
In fact, people, many people, I'm sure, and you're hosting
audience of experienced thats at work where let's say they travel,
and the company has some sort of essentially geo fencing
set up so that if you're coming from an ip
out of a certain range. This is not a perfect anology,
but it's closed. You might get blocked and you may
have to call and say, hey, I'm legitimately traveling, you know,
turn me on. So to your point though, with a VPN, yes,

(01:02:18):
if I you know, I use Proton VPN for my
personal stuff, you know, I can find up my Proton
VPN client and it can look like I'm coming out
of let's say Finland this morning and Denmark later today.
So yeah, it's you know, if you know what you're doing,
you can essentially hide behind a VPN and make you
make it appear that you are somewhere you're not. And

(01:02:38):
with these North Korean hackers. So what they're doing, and
unfortunately there are family people in the United States who
are being paid paid to facilitate this, and several have
been arrested. So someone in the US essentially sets up
a server or laptop farm, call it whatever you want.
So the North Korean hacker basically sets up a bogus profile.
This is really a form of spooping. Again, pretends to

(01:03:01):
be a legitimate employee, gets hired by a US company,
and despite the fact that they're essentially North Korean assets
working in North Korea, they are remoting and they're connecting
to a quote laptop or server here in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Kind of like the way of VPN works, except this
is a nefarious version of it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yeah, it's basically sort of a VPN type of operations
designed to cover your tracks. So you get interviewed, you
get hired, you appear to be a US based person
working in these systems coming out of Like there was
a recent story about six months ago where a guy
in Nashville was arrested where he had dozens of computer
setup and these remote North Korean I would call them hackers,

(01:03:45):
you know. The story goes on to say, you know
data has been stolen, sensitives, information has been stolen, Cryptocurrency
has been stolen by these people. Again, they're pretending to
be let's say, a legitimate programmer.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
Or network engineer or something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
They get hired, they get now high level access to
these company systems. So if you think about it, Brian,
you know I can hack and hack and hack away
and I might get in. I might get something if
you hire me. The high level actions you're in, right, Yeah,
it's the ultimate insider threat. I have time to lurk.
You think I'm working for you while I'm figuring out
how to steal your stuff, and I appear to be

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doing it as a person onshore in the US because
we have what I would call traders facilitating this type
of activity for you know, foreign adversary. Sometimes obviously it's
just financial, but you know when you have companies like
North Korea and China doing this sort of thing, you
know it's clearly beyond I just want to steal this
company's money. They want trade secrets, they want military secrets,

(01:04:40):
you know, or whatever else it is they're looking for,
and this is a nefarious yet smart way to get
at it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
So recognizing This is obviously a real problem if they
appear to be US based. How does a company deal
with this threat? Can they do something to protect themselves?
I mean, I guess a background check might be a method,
but I'm not certain under the circumstances.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Well, I think the first step is awareness that this
is a thing, so that you're more in client who
want to really thoroughly bet someone you know. Yeah, clearly
remote work is a thing, right, and you may have
someone who appears to be in the US. I think
it's doing a deep dive background check, thoroughly betting people,

(01:05:23):
you know, if someone but but it's going to get
tricky if someone is really smart and really good at
impersonation and really can stick to their story through the
fake profiles they set up. You know, if you are
truly connected to a server in Cincinnati, let's say, and
you know going to work for a Cincinnati based company,

(01:05:44):
it's going to be hard for you to know that
if you don't cat you know, once they're in, until
they trip some sort of alarm or something. This this
speaks to something that most companies are not willing to
spend money on, and that would be things like insider
threat protection, data loss protection. You know, there are ways
to set up trip wires in your company. If you

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have your permission set up right, you're not going to
give people access to stuff they shouldn't have access to.
You know, there's things called honeypots, where again, once someone
starts nosing around too much, it starts to set off alarms.
But the big thing is Brian making people aware that
this is even a thing, so that ideally you would
not hire these people in the first place. And all

(01:06:27):
this stuff I just talked about, like data loss prevention,
well it takes work. You got to you got to
tag data and say this is sensitive. And if someone
tries to copy this file or copy files from this solder,
you know someone should look into that. So there are
technological solutions that can help you discover this once it starts,
but they're expensive, they take work, and you know, consequently,

(01:06:48):
a lot of organizations, unless there's some sort of high
level government requirement or something, won't spend money on that
because they don't see the value in it, which I get.
So this helps point out why there might be value
in it. And again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
And it's crazy crazy, and regardless of what it costs,
that is a service that interest I can help a
business accomplish.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Yes, we can certainly help with any of the stuff
we're talking about in here, or at least help you
understand why you should care.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
About it right, and they will do a free upfront
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messages by default. What's this all about, Dave? Your favorite company? This?

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
This is it touches on several things that I think
are often confusing to people, and I'm concerned about when
it comes to privacy. We already talked about dark patterns
in the first segment, but this this gets into the
whole issue of opt in versus opt out. One of
the reasons why I get frustrated with so many of
these companies is they use dark patterns constantly to try

(01:08:06):
to make you stay, and they opt you into things right,
rather than you have to say, hey, I love to
use this new feature you've rolled out. Sounds great, I'm
going to turn it on. They will just roll things out.
Apparently this Jem and I started rolling out on July
seventh to people's Android phones, and you know it's turned
on by default. Now apparently they send out an email,

(01:08:28):
but you've got to open that email. You got to
read it. You know you can even understand what it's
telling you. Probably not in most cases. And again it's
the frustrating thing for me is they're just doing this
and then you have to opt out of it. Now,
the good news is apparently you can opt out of it.
And as you know, Brian, I don't have personal experience
with this because I don't use an Android phone, nor
do I use WhatsApp. But let me try to make

(01:08:50):
a put a finer point on this. So you have
an app from Meta right, what's app, which is theoretically
a secure end to end messaging app, and one of
the reasons you would use it is because it supports
end encryption. You have the WhatsApp app, I have the
WhatsApp app. You and I can send encrypted messages to
one another and unless someone can unlock your phone or

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my phone, no one can read those messages because they're
encrypted in the WhatsApp app and send to you right, right,
So this whole Gemini thing, and I understand how if
you want to assume good intentions, it could be beneficial.
You know, the Gemini app hits it's their AI. Now
you can talk to the phone. Hey, I want to
send to what's app message to Brian Thomas, and here's

(01:09:32):
what I want to say. And ideally it would open
the WhatsApp app, plug that in and send it on
my behalf without meaning you need to open the app
and type it in manually. Right, that's the theory. The
problem though with that is I want to send a
secure message to you. You know, even the way the
end encryption works, it should not be possible even for

(01:09:54):
Meta to read those messages exactly. Okay, But now that
I am talking to the Gemini app on my phone
and it's composing this message on my behalf, Google potentially
has access to that message. Well, of course the content
is accessible with Gemini before it's encrypted by WhatsApp. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Yeah, you are reading your message that is to be
encrypted by WhatsApp, but you're reading the out loud message
to the Google related software, which is then converting it
into a third party app, which in this particular case
is WhatsApp.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Yeah, so this isn't just a WhatsApp thing. It would
be anything where you would be exchanging You could be
using their AI product to do something. It would have
access to that information before it even enters into the
other applications. So you were potentially exposing information you wouldn't
want Google to have to them by using this app,

(01:10:51):
and they've essentially opted you into it from everything I've read. Now, again,
I don't use any I don't use anything for meta
if I can help, but I don't use anything from Google.
I like it, So this isn't a problem for me
and I have not experienced in firsthand. But if you're
an Android user, this stuff is rolling out and you
need to understand that by using it, you are potentially
exposing information that you might not understand as beings. So

(01:11:14):
my advice, and apparently you still can go in and
turn this off. I would argue dark patterns are at
work because I read all the you know how to
do it and solve the screenshots. Apparently there's multiple places
you got to go. You know, you could just disable
to or delete the Gemini app. That would be my
recommendation to you. However, you know, you've got to decide

(01:11:35):
for yourself or or better yet, get off their platform
and find a more privacy friendly option like Apple. I'm
not saying Apple doesn't have its problems, Brian, but in general,
the whole business model is different and they are less
incentivized to want to capture your data and do these
sorts of things. So again, I want to be clear
and every day that I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm

(01:11:56):
not telling you they're you know, spotless and without blame, right,
just telling you that in general they are more privacy
friendly than most of their competition. So I'm you know,
I'm not going to use an Android phone for the
sort of reasons we just described here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
That's a consistent message from you. That's one thing we
can always count on you consistently rejecting the idea of
using Android and Google Meta.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
And you know, Brian, I had the Android phone for
a long time, many years ago, and finally, because of
the sorts of things we're always talking about, I finally
said enough is enough, you know, and there are more
privacy and friendly options out there than Apple. However, they
usually are very unfriendly to consumers. You know, then more
difficult to use, YadA, YadA, YadA. And you know, at

(01:12:37):
some point I may find myself switching over to that,
but for now, apples for me, strikes a good balance
of usability, you know, ease of access versus privacy. So
I am I'm at but yeah, it's you're using an
Android phone. I encourage you to look into this and
strongly considered disabling this Gemini feature or removing it entirely

(01:12:58):
because you're potential going to exposed things you would not
want to expose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Fair enough, appreciate the sound advice as always, Tech Friday's
Dave Hatter interest id dot com where you find Dave
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It's don Heinrich Toltzman at the bottom of the hour
about the book I Am Innocent, which is described as

(01:14:15):
a jail cell i autobiography of Bruno Houtman, who's the
guy who was tried, convicted, and jailed from murdering Charles
Lindbergh Junior the Lindberg Baby in studio. Retired detective Jim Grendel,
who was with the Springdale Police Department before a long
time before retiring, he's written a book called Homicide Investigation,
The Interview, True Crime, Robbery, homicide book. It's a two

(01:14:39):
hour interview unedited and he just explains basically, it's a
homicide investigation and he interviewed the obviously the suspect, and
it's a really interesting analysis of how you go about, well,
I suppose, getting people to confess or otherwise provide information
relative to crimes. He'll be in studio at eight oho
five to talk about that. In the meantime, before I

(01:14:59):
moved go on to something else and not quite sure
which direction I'm gonna go. I'm gonna let Bobby decide that. Bobby,
thanks for calling this morning, and Happy Friday to you.

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
Happy Friday, my brother faiths flag family and holiday greeting
cards there you are. Well, one thing I need to
ask you about is the what's this stuff about the porn?
What are they trying to regulate it?

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
What are they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Yeah, in the budget bill here in the state of Ohio,
they have incorporated a new it's a child protection measure.
So in order to load or go to a pornography website,
I think the one that was sided was like porn
Hub or something. Just an illustration. They are apparently hundreds
and hundreds of them out there. But if the content
that is on the site is that the company provides

(01:15:42):
it and it has a financial motivation providing this content.
In other words, they make money off providing pornography. Then
you must provide age verification in the form of submitting
your driver's license or other government issued identification to prove
that you're over the eight of eighteen. And they say

(01:16:03):
that that you can't work and work around at using
a VPN, although I'm still not convinced that it will
work because the VPN is going to make you look
like you're someplace else, not in the state of Ohio.
But if you're just logging in on your cell phone,
you're logging in your computer and you go to a
porn site, that site is now going to be obligated
to ask you for age verification. Now, what has been

(01:16:24):
the reaction in other states? This is what we're like
the twentieth state to pass the law along these lines
other states, the sites just decide they're not going to
do business in the state, so rather than collect the data,
then they just say, well, we just want to offer
our service in now Ohio. I suppose law kicks in
I believe at the end of September, So no porns
for you in Ohio, unless you're willing to give your

(01:16:46):
information to a third party vendor, which oh yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Hey, I got another question about it. Well, young people
now are really in the these podcasts. Why don't we
have a porn cast with just audio? And that'd be
a fine thing for the Drive at five.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
You know, actually that probably would be a workaround.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:17:06):
If there's words that are said, you know, you can
always beep them out, and you know, preload everything up
and have the Drive at five first thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
And nothing but porn cast. Now, you got it. Your
next business venture there, Bobby, the verbal porn site.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
That's it. I mean, you know you get pasted all
the moaning and groan and there's a few words here
and there, just beep them out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Okay. Joe Strekker who does podcast as a sideline, So
if you need a podcast, I got to Jude Trekker.
He said that would be an interesting podcast to edit.

Speaker 9 (01:17:43):
You wouldn't have to hire anybody. You could go ahead
with all past things on, you know, every movie known
the man. Just take the audio here and there for
Matt thirty minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Of porn cast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I suppose you could, Bobby there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Doesn't sound very compelling to me, Bobby, But you know, hey,
different strokes for just different folks. And I don't know
there's a flag for anybody out there that would, uh
well consume that type of content. Bobby, have a great weekend, man.
I appreciate it is Friday, it though, don't mind you
I drive down that type of cul de sac on
a Friday. Anyway, I'm still strugging. This whole Epstein thing
has just got me baffled, befuddled, bewildered. So I can

(01:18:20):
come over with the more alliterative words to use and
tack onto that help me out. But okay, everybody's been
clamoring for information about Epstein for a long time. Okay,
the whole idea that he killed himself, Yeah, Epstein, it
was a joke almost people just like nobody believed that.
And so that was a conspiracy theory. It was fueled online.
And I know, and I never had any idea one

(01:18:41):
way or another. It didn't really care ultimately, I mean,
I guess part of me was glad he's dead. Say
the taxpayers some trial money. But so you had that,
you have these all these celebrities, well known folks. There
are millions of photographs out there with all these famous
people with Epstein. We've got all kinds a flight record
showing that Epstein flew people around in his private jet,

(01:19:03):
most notably to the Lolita Island, where I guess women
were molested and women under age were molested. Criminal activity.
Lots of discussion about that over the many years that
this has been the subject matter. Of course, he was
convicted of molesting children and was a known pedophile from
back in the late two thousands, and there's a picture

(01:19:26):
of him with Donald Trump and a lot of people
suggesting he was friends with Donald Trump. And now the
Wall Street Journal publishing an article about this letter or
this this birthday card that Donald Trump allegedly created back
in two thousand and three with a sketch of a
nude woman in some random comment that they attributed to Trump.
Trump came out yesterday said he's going to sue the
Wall Street Journal because he told him it was not him,
and he didn't write that. It isn't something he would say,

(01:19:48):
and he's never drawn pictures of naked women before, but
there it is. Some are saying that the Democrats created
that whole cloth, so I don't know, I haven't seen it.
Donald Trump now saying that he is planning on having
the grand jury testimony released. He's instructed that. So rewind
a while back. Trump's in favor of releasing the Epstein

(01:20:10):
documents he said he had on the campaign trail. Now
the Department of Justice comes out and says, there's nothing
to release. There is no list. The only information in
there is stuff that we can't have anyway because it
constitutes childborn. We don't want to release victims' names because
it might, you know, impact their privacy. Maybe there's ongoing
investigations that will be a legitimate reason to withhold the documents.

(01:20:31):
But no one said that. But considering the length of
time we've been talking about this, now you've got the
Trump administration sort of doing a one eighty away from
releasing the information, at least up until yesterday when he
talked about releasing the grand jury testimony. But really hard
rejection of those out there clamoring to get these documents.

(01:20:51):
I mean, he's he was angry about it, but what
of the Biden administration? And it was interesting exchange yesterday
between Democrat Representative Jamie Raskin and Joe Scarborough. Of all
people leftist, he is MSNBC's Mourning Joe Joe Scarborough. Talking

(01:21:11):
about this situation, Scarborough asked if the saga involving Epstein
was a crisis the Biden administration did not release records
when it was in power, Epstein was and here here's
what Raskin had to say that leads into a really
good sort of cross examination by Joe Scarborough. He said

(01:21:32):
Epstein was able to use all his powerful connections, including
who was then his best friend, Donald Trump. Now you
know that's a lie. Donald Trump knew the guy and did,
I guess have some interactions with Epstein, but he cut
that off after a failed real estate transaction. He didn't
hang out with the guy or didn't do anything with him.
And that was prior to Epstein being convicted for molesting children.

(01:21:54):
So that's kind of well documented. So kind of ignore
the overstatement from Raskin along those lines. And look, he
went on, why is this important? Because the sexual abuse
of young people and children is a crisis throughout our society.
There is, of course, the church scandal or many church scandals.
There's what happened in Michigan State. There's what happened to
Ohio state. That's when Scarborough interjected, But Congressman, you could

(01:22:18):
have gotten that from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five,
when Democrats controlled the Department of Justice, it was a crisis.
Then it's a crisis. Now, why didn't Democrats call for
it from twenty one to twenty five? Legitimate question, because
they are right now the Democrats driving the call to

(01:22:38):
have these documents released. It's almost as if this is
another one of those scenarios where if Trump wants something,
they're gonna say no, you can't have it. In this
particular case, Trump is now saying no, you can't have it.
So the Democrats natural knee jerk reaction is to jump
up and say no, we want it. Now we're asking
has this weird reply? Obviously backed in a corner, and
he said, so, I mean, you'd if you go back

(01:23:00):
and look specifically a particular prosecutorial decisions and what was
taking place in terms of other cases. So I don't know.
We could try to reconstruct that record. But the point
is is that Donald Trump is the one who has
led the crusade to say that Epstein, who was his
very close friend, over statement and there's all kinds of

(01:23:20):
pictures of them, and so that Epstein was at the
center of this broad conspiracy. He is now in a
position to do exactly what he demand demanded, which is
to release all the files. And so why is that
not happening? That's the question I can't answer for Merk
Garland or anybody else in the Department of Justice, but
I will tell you that there is a bipartisan consensus
in the Judiciary Committee right now that all these records

(01:23:41):
need to be released. So he really just danced around
Scarborough's backing him in a corner. Why didn't the Biden
administration release him? And that's a legitimate question. This is
why it's so be fuddling to me. Everybody's position has
gone the polar opposite of what he used to be,
which seems like five minutes ago. If you can make

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Friday looking forward to having Don Tynrin Toltzman joined the
program talk about the book I Am Innocent that will
take place in the next segment. He's the editor of
the book, so it could be a fascinating account by
Bruno Richard Hoptman, the guy who was convicted of killing
Charles Lindberg Junior. Anyway, related to nothing under Donald Trump's
been having an ongoing battle with the Fed. When he's

(01:26:50):
got the interest rates low for the purpose of home buyers,
Obviously the interest rates are significantly higher than they have been,
and that's a real problem. I still refin luck back
on when we first bought our house, when interest rates
were north of eight percent. We had a seven to
twenty three balloon on our first house and it was
financed at eight and an eighth and we had a

(01:27:14):
provision in our closing where the seller paid three points.
So obviously a different landscape, but we were able to
manage through that. But it's been a real problem because
the price of homes has gone through the roof, and
this is where the problem lies. If you get the
interest rate lowered, it's not going to impact the price
of the house. In fact, there's going to be more
demand out there since more people would be able to
afford a mortgage if the interest rates were lower. I

(01:27:39):
saw this article the other in the in the Journal.
Median age of a first time home buyer is now
thirty eight years old. Medium price for an existing single
family home last year four hundred and twelve five hundred dollars.
That significantly increased rising interest rates made it a bad situation,

(01:28:02):
whereas average monthly mortgage payments on that medium priced house
jumped from fourteen hundred and forty five dollars in counter
year twenty one all the way up to twenty five
hundred and seventy dollars last year. Home insurance has also
gone up dramatically. You may have noticed that that's a
problem that's plaguing a lot of folks, most notably in
states that have a lot of natural disasters, like California,

(01:28:23):
where homeowners insurance companies are pulling out completely. Good luck
on that, and that rising home insurance premium transforms that
twenty five seventy average monthly premium up to thirty two
hundred and seventy bucks a month. As translated, the annual
income required to qualify for a mortgage on the medium

(01:28:46):
house risen more than sixty percent since twenty twenty one,
which prices out more than half of the potential first
time home buyers, which is why the average home buyer
is now thirty eight years old. Used to be a
lot younger than that. They say government policies aren't helping either.
Trump's tariff's going to add significantly to the cost of

(01:29:07):
building because lumber and aluminum and other products are going
to building. Homes are going up. There's a shortage of workers.
We're apparently short two hundred and fifty thousand construction workers.
And that's a career opportunity for folks out there. It
really is. The trades are where it's at so many

(01:29:29):
there's so many opportunities for people to get a career.
If all you need to do is earn why you
learn in a trade program or I guess go to
a school and learn the trades, plumbing, HVAC, construction. You're
going to get a job, apparently. But the landscape isn't
going to change, even if Trump got his way and
had the interest rates lower. There's a shortage of houses

(01:29:50):
out there. And the other thing that's changed, too is
what builders actually build. And this is something that I've
observed many times over the years. The new homes are
massive compared to the old homes, and as the article
points out, the median size of a new home has
increased from about fifteen hundred square feet back in the
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this book that he actually was the editor of. I
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z Her Holtzman. They'll come in.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
Good Morgan, Good Morgan, Thank you, Brian. I In the
past I've come on and talked about a lot of
different topics relating to the German heritage and one that
I became interested in was the trial of Bruno Richard Hauptmann.
And I had found by reading through the German American
papers that many, especially German Americans, felt that he did

(01:33:55):
not get a fair trial, that he had been framed
and railroaded during the trial for the Lindbergh kidnapping case.
And when I was in Germany and I happened to
visit Hautmann's home town, comments in Saxony, and I found
that part of his autobiography had been published in German,

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but it was part of a larger manuscript that he
had written. And when I came back to the US,
I founded at the New Jersey State Police Museum. Parts
were missing, the part that had published in Germany. So
I translated them into English and put together the full manuscript,
and I think it sheds light of the case. And

(01:34:39):
I added a lot of notes to it based on
my research, which I think clearly showed that he did
not get a fair trial. It was really an absolute farce.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
And I should say too that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:53):
The kidnapping that took place in nineteen thirty two, it
made international news.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Yeah, was the first man to cross the Atlantic in
an airplane. I mean he was a global hero.

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
Today we take it for granted we fly back and
forth to Europe, but in nineteen twenty seven he flew
the first NonStop transatlantic flight and he was like John Glenn,
who you know, the man in the Moon. I mean,
he was famous beyond it was. I mean, we're just incredible.
So so the kidnap he took place in nineteen thirty two,

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and we'll go into some of the details. But after
Halpmant was arrested, the police beat him to a pulp
tried to get a confession from but they failed. He
maintained his innocence. The police there too, from their perspective,
they were under tremendous pressure. Been two and a half

(01:35:57):
years after the kidnapping, they had not found anybody, and
they offered money to Haupman if he would confess. They
offered him leniency, but he maintained his innocent So I
edited the autobiography and it gives him a posthumous opportunity

(01:36:18):
to tell to tell his story. And you know why
is it important? Well, it was called the crime of
the century, and it was you know, even then already
people questioned that the evidence was manufactured witnesses were bribed.

Speaker 7 (01:36:37):
And so on.

Speaker 11 (01:36:38):
And you know a problem for the haupman at the
time anti German sentiment was right after World War One,
anti German feeling. Hitler just came to power.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
So here he was a.

Speaker 11 (01:36:55):
German immigrant and that made it difficult for him. I
was an underlying cause against him, that was against him,
and also his lawyers totally incompetent. They met for him
very actually very few times, and they were incompetent. Then

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you know, I wouldn't mention the witnesses, the witnesses who
testified him against him. One of the lead one was
John Condon, and in a police lineup and then in
a meeting with Helpman for an hour, he denied that
Haman was the man he had spoken with when ransom

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money was transferred.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
And I was going to ask you specifically about doctor
John Condon described as a key witness as the person
who acted as a mediator between Lindberg, who was the
alleged between Lindberg and the kidnappers. So Charles Lindberg still around,
He wants his son back. The kidnappers obviously, I guess
want their money there there there their their ransom demand.
How did this condom guy end up being the liaison

(01:38:05):
between the kidnappers and the Lindberg family.

Speaker 11 (01:38:08):
He's really a strange person. He uh in the New
York area. He read about it. He contacted Lindbergh and said,
could I put a note in the paper asking the
kidnapper or kidnappers to contact me and I will act
as a mediator. And so he came out of nowhere.

(01:38:31):
Was he himself involved in the kidnapping, that is a question,
But he popped up into the case totally an unknown factor.
And then he met on two occasions with a person
to transmit ransom money to him, and he spoke with

(01:38:54):
it with that person, and later on then he met
with Hautmann and jail, but he denied that that was
the person he had spoken with. But then on the
during the trial he said he was a person.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
H change your heart there, No, that's not the guy. Yes,
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let's pause. We'll bring you back to talk about some
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Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
It's seven forty fifty five KRCD talk station Brot Thomas
with Don Henry Toltzman with a really fascinating story. He's
the editor of the book we're talking about I Am Innocent,
a statement from the death cell. We're talking about the
alleged killer of Charles Lindbergh Junior, the son of the
great Charles Lindberg, first person to fly across the Atlantic,

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a real, genuine, true world global hero in a picture
on the front of all the newspapers around the globe
for a long period of time. They're just a very
famous man. He was so of course, his son being
kidnapped and ultimately murdered drew the attention of the American people.
And this guy, the person who was convicted, Bruno Richard
Houtman wrote a book in German and that's what Harr

(01:42:13):
Toltzman has uh has translated into English, so it's his words.
But also the commentaries were learning from Don Toltzman about
why this was probably a total farce this trial. And
as I read your notes, Don Man, this guy was
he was railroaded.

Speaker 11 (01:42:32):
Absolutely, he was completely railroaded. And I said also earlier
he had been severely beaten, almost beaten to death. And yeah,
attempted to be bribed, and the witnesses were, uh, condom
was completely the mainness was unreliable. Other witnesses. One said
he had seen Houtman near the Lindbergh home, but he

(01:42:54):
was partially blind in one eye.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
Reasonable doubt.

Speaker 11 (01:42:58):
Another witness was paid for by his testimony by the police.
And another witness said they had seen him near the
Lindbergh home in a green car, but Helpman had a
blue car. Now, there were other witnesses that said Haman

(01:43:18):
testified that he had picked up his wife as per usual,
from a bakery in New York. There were several testified
he was there. They were completely blown away and ignored.
And so the whole thing about the witnesses is absurd

(01:43:38):
and I think maybe you as a lawyer could understand
that readily.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 11 (01:43:45):
The ransom notes another thing they said that so called
experts said that he had written them. Well, the police
told him to exactly copy the ransom notes. He was
supposed to exactly meet him a whole day, night and
day to copy them. Looked exactly like the ransom notes.

(01:44:06):
Then they had the so called efforts, say, look at
what he wrote the same as the ransom notes, but.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
That he did what he was instructed to do, which
was mimic the handwriting in the ransom notes rather than
penned in his own hand. Yes, oh that's insane. Now,
you know, any effective lawyer would have blown these witnesses
away on cross examination. You could create reasonable doubts so easily.
What the hell was this? What was the deal with
Edward J.

Speaker 11 (01:44:32):
Riley his attorney, Well, the Riley was really incompetent. He
spent a total of about forty minutes, only forty minutes.
Most of the meetings with Hautman last at five minutes.
He was often intoxicated, he was a big blow hard,
and it was completely incompetent. So his lawyers were also,

(01:44:57):
you know, there was an assistant lawner, but they were
really incompetent. And then there was other evidence. One thing
that they talked about was the wooden ladder that was used. Yeah, well,
when they first searched Houtman's garage, they couldn't find They
didn't find anything, but then later they found a board

(01:45:22):
that they said matched the wood used on the ladder.
Well it obviously looks to have been planted there by
the police. And when you looked at the ladder, it
did not even reach the window of the Lindbergh home.
And also it wouldn't have held somebody of haut Month's weight.

(01:45:43):
I think there was a test done on and one
of the lower rungs of the ladder broke. And also
it was about two feet below the window the second
floor of the Lindbergh home. And so how somebody could
have crawled out of the window carrying a like a

(01:46:03):
thirty pound infant and get down there was incredibly well,
you know. And also Lindberg's her Heutman's fingerprints were found nowhere,
and so the whole case really looks like a farce.
And also I alluded to a recent research by Lisa Pearlman,

(01:46:30):
who has a book called the Lindberg Kidnapping Suspect Number One,
The Man who Got Away, and she convincingly argues that
it was Charles Lindberg who masterminded the whole kidnapping what
that he was behind it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Base of all, I don't go down too too far
down that Lisa Pearlman rabbit hole. But based upon what
why would Lindbergh want to have his own son kidnapped?

Speaker 11 (01:47:00):
The Sun had Ricketts, which a disease reals were results
in bowed legs. He was considered had mentally deficient. Lindbergh
believed in eugenics and genetic superiority and purity.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
And he was an anti semi too. He was an
anti semi too, if I recall my history correctly, it.

Speaker 11 (01:47:27):
Was an anti semi. He went to Nazi Germany and
he received an award from the Nazi regime. He was
criticized for it, but he refused to return the reward,
Whereas I should say from my research, other German Americans
would not accept any medal or award from Nazi Germany. Now,

(01:47:52):
when they did the autopsy of the of the infant,
they found that parts of it were organ had been
removed surgically. And in this recent publication I mentioned, it
was found that Lindbergh was in touch with a surgeon
and it thought that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
The baby was.

Speaker 11 (01:48:17):
Operated on to investigate what was the cause of his
of the rickets and the disease, and this related to
Lindbergh's in the same belief in eugenics. He couldn't understand
that he fathered a physically diseased child.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
So it's in case itself.

Speaker 11 (01:48:40):
I mean, the trial was an absolute farce. It wasn't
he was and he he was browbeaten too during Houtmann,
during the trial wasn't given a chance to tell his story.
So that's why I edited his autobiography, which he wrote
in a jail cell, and to give him a chance

(01:49:01):
to listen to what he had to say, because he
didn't get a chance. He was mocked and browbeaten and
physically beaten.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Well. So I got a couple of questions though, considering
all of this damning evidence in so far as the
prosecution and the in the in the prosecutorial conduct from
law enforcement all the way through trial. First off, real
quick here, harr Holman, uh Toltsman, how did they finger
Houtman as the guy the suspect? I mean, what brought

(01:49:31):
him into the field division of law enforcement in the
first place? Given all of this, you know, exculpatory evidence
that's floating around the.

Speaker 11 (01:49:39):
Reason that he was arrested, was that he uh the
the ransom money that had been given to the person
that Condon met at a cemetery. At the serial numbers
haven't copied. Well, a couple of years later than Haupman

(01:50:01):
had gone to a gas station and he had paid
for a gasoline with one of the bank and it
was a what was called a silver certificate, and they
were being turned in at that time, and so the
serial numbers were copied and when the attendant there noticed that,

(01:50:25):
and he contacted the police about it, and they he
had copied on the license number on Haupman's car, and
so they traced it to him, and that's the way
he identified it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
But given its years years later though that it's a
possibility that the actual ransom recipient had passed those notes
around and he just ended up with one in his pocket.

Speaker 12 (01:50:50):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 11 (01:50:51):
And the ransom money also was turned in at various
banks around the country, even in the Midwest. Three thousand
dollars were turned in at a bank in New York
City and none of these notes had any connection to
hout Mon.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
He wasn't there.

Speaker 11 (01:51:13):
He said that it had been given to him to
a business associate who had returned to Germany where he died,
and so his name happened to be fish and the
police mocked that story that that his fround had given
him when.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
They called it a fishy story.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
So well, all the way around he was he was railroad. Yeah, clearly,
clearly I Heardtols were out of time. It's fascinating what
you've done here. And of course, obviously the extent of
the wrongdoing against the defendant, who ultimately paid the ultimate price.
They executed him, and apparently while he was waiting execution,

(01:51:53):
they offered him lean seeing he turned it down because
I'm not going to confess to a crime I didn't do.
So it sounds like getting nail on his on the
head here, don Heinrich Toltzman. I appreciate you doing the
translating and doing the commentary on the book, and I
know my listeners is gonna want to get it, which
they can do. Got a fifty five kres dot com
where Joe's got a link to the book on the page.
Don It's always great talking with you, my friend. Keep
up the great work. I'll look forward to having you

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greater Cincinnati area. Welcome back, Tiffany. Who are we looking
for today? She looks happy.

Speaker 13 (01:53:35):
Cincinnati Police District four is looking for Danica Pew. Miss
Pew is wanted for felonious assault. On July ninth, at
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(01:54:47):
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to my listeners. Seven fifty six. Right now after the
top of the our news in studio, retired detective Jim
Grindle speaking of law enforcement. Lead detective with the Springdale
Police Department for thirty fi five years twenty one years
doing investigations before retiring in twenty thirteen. He's written a book,
Homicide Investigation. The interview. We'll talk with him after the news.

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Tayto five here fifty five KRC, the Talk Station. It's
been a very happy Friday to you. Good to have
in studio detective retired detective Jim Grindle, who's written a
book Homicide Investigation. In the interview, Jim, good to have

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you in studio and be able to see you face
to face and talk with you. And let me start
by thanking you for your storied career in law enforcement.

Speaker 7 (01:55:56):
Well, I definitely appreciate that. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Happy to do it man, and I, as I told
you before when the mix came on, it's been my
experience in my coming up on sixty years that if
you're sitting across the table with a retired police officer
or an active police officer enjoying a beer, they're the
best people to talk with because they have the most
outlangious and crazy stories, real things that happened that never

(01:56:19):
happened anybody else because of, you know, being involved with
the criminal element. It's just it's crazy what you have
to deal with over the years, and we have a
lot of fun with the stories, for sure. Oh I
bet now you are not really retired right now, as
I understand.

Speaker 13 (01:56:33):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:56:33):
Actually, my career started back in nineteen seventy nine. Actively
retired in twenty thirteen following twenty one years in investigations.
The spread Down Police Department has a program which allows
officers to come back and work in an auxiliary position.
We don't do any active enforcement, but we do a

(01:56:54):
lot of the paper pushing and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Well, fair enough, but you've got to assault it. By
fourteen year old the other day, Well he was autistic,
and is this in the line of duty? This happened?

Speaker 7 (01:57:06):
This was an off duty detail, okay, and he was
a regular at the church that we go to and
he was just having an episode.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
I understand, Look, you were an out serving award or
something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:57:18):
Was no, no, and it wasn't intentional on his part.
I don't believe either.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
All right, Well that's good. Well, let's pivot over to
the homicide investigation. The interview. Explain to my listeners what
this book consists of.

Speaker 7 (01:57:29):
Jim, Well, the book starts, well, basically, the reason for
the book was is during the interview, the individual portrayed
a lot of body language that was beyond just your
normal interviews. Pretty much displayed everything that you can actually
display during an interview. And I always thought, man, i'd
be great for a book.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
So body language indicating a guilt.

Speaker 7 (01:57:53):
Right, Well, it's basically a nonverbal communication, you know, through
body posturing, facial expressions, movements, and things of that nature.
And you know that it's a lot about signs of
deception or that they're not being truthful. And during the interview, So.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
I imagine a young detective or someone in law enforcement
who's going to be interviewing suspects could learn a lot
from this.

Speaker 7 (01:58:19):
Oh, I would hope.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
So asks maybe one of the points you of your
putting the book together.

Speaker 7 (01:58:23):
Well, the book's got a lot of clips in there
showing when I talk about the different kind of language
that he's portraying. It's there in the book, and there's
also a two our interview and it's entirety that could
be watched as well.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
All Right, how how many years experience did you have
at the time you interviewed this suspect.

Speaker 7 (01:58:39):
Maybe as a police officer about thirteen years, fourteen years,
Because as I understand it, and here you can be
correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, there's a real
skill in an art form to getting information out of witnesses.
I would agree with that. Basically, you pretty much got
to sit down as if we know each other, and
once get a little trust in you, they're more apt

(01:59:02):
to talk to you and tell you things that you
need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
All right, So being a bad cops not a good
idea under those circumstances.

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
It works for the good cops.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
It works for the good cops. No, But is this
a learned skill, Like do you sit in a class,
a canet training class or some other follow up, you know,
continuing police education class to learn what you need to
do and how you need to conduct yourself the best
interview witnesses and get information out of them.

Speaker 7 (01:59:27):
There are classes. I tell a lot of people that
are in this kind of you know job to watch
everybody's interviews and learn what you like about their approach,
what works for them, and then kind of develop that
into your own. The big thing with interviews, you got
to have a lot of patience. You got to you know,
get a report with the individuals. And I feel that

(01:59:47):
once people feel trusted with you, they people want to
brag about themselves. So it's not hard to get a confession.
Once you get that response, you know through them, he.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
Is there have you learned over the years? I mean,
is there certain certain psychological profile that kind of fits
people who would commit very dangerous acts? I mean there
is no one size fits all? Or do they sort
of fall into a pattern if I can call it that.

Speaker 7 (02:00:12):
I don't know if I agree with that. I mean
I've sat down with people where you think absolutely could
not have done something like this and find out they did.
My philosophy is always, you know, I assume everybody's guilty
until I prove am innocent. So that way, I'm not
lazy about what I do.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
Fair enough, Now, how much advanced work do you have
to do before you're interviewing someone? Evidence gathering, you know,
the crime scene information photographs. Do you use all that
incorporated in your interview or you just kind of hit
the ground running with it.

Speaker 7 (02:00:39):
Well, in this case here, I kind of spent about
two days to getting prepared because there was a lot
of paperwork involved in it, and when I do the
interview that that stuff is on my table. I use
a lot of that as props. Actually, there's times where
I will take out photographs of the victim or of
things that are uncomfortable source be sure, and I will

(02:01:00):
leave them out there and during the interview just kind
of watch his response and how he reacts to the
photographs and stuff that are sitting in front of him.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
All right, let's turn specifically to the subject matter of
the interview in your book, homicide Investigation the interview, what
was he what was he suspected of?

Speaker 7 (02:01:14):
When you were interviewing, Well, there was a robbery that
occurred involving three Hispanic males in an apartment complex there
in Springdale. After that robbery occurred and the fleeing of
that vehicle, an individual shot. He's actually one of the
people that was, you know, involved in the actual robbery. Right,

(02:01:36):
So basically it's an accidental shooting by bad guy in Ohio.
Though that would only basically be you know, an accidental
accident shooting, but the fact they're leaving a homicide or
a robber, I should say, uh, it would make a felony,
and therefore, you know, a homicide.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
And anybody involved in the crime where the homicide happened
is himself or herself also going to be charged with
that homicide.

Speaker 7 (02:02:04):
That's correct, And the purpose of the interview was one
to establish they were involved in the actual robbery and
who actually fired the round that killed Lamore.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
And I presume at the outset of the interview the
guy denied even being there.

Speaker 7 (02:02:19):
This was a two hour timide interview, and it wasn't
until about an hour and a half into it that
we actually got something out of him that put him there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
Okay, well, what was your first indication that you had
the right guy?

Speaker 7 (02:02:29):
When he sat down?

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
Sat down?

Speaker 7 (02:02:33):
Well, the reason I say that is the work had
already been done, the search works were done. We had
text messaging and we had phone records. Oh so when
we said down, we pretty much knew everything we were
going to be asking him.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Then, Okay, well, when confronted with hard evidence like well,
here's your cell phone, here's the text information back and forth,
and this is why it's relevant to this particular case,
how did someone just deny that? All right? I presume
it's some measure of the guy denied it.

Speaker 7 (02:02:58):
No, he denied, strong, strong denials with his non involvement
of it. But uh, and actually it's kind of interesting
that the photograph is sitting in front of him. He
actually turns around and actually points out and says she
did it, and starts actually pointing on the photograph.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
I said, that's rather damning. Under the circumstances, he can't
say you weren't there and then identify someone who was
involved with it if you weren't there.

Speaker 7 (02:03:24):
That don't work very well.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
It doesn't work well. So what's a guy's reaction like
that when he pointed out to him? He's denied it,
denied it, and then he points to the photograph, said
she did it? I mean, did you see Well, wait
a second, U said, you weren't there. How is it
you know she did it?

Speaker 7 (02:03:39):
Well, the other problem was who was driving the car?
Who actually fired around? So at this point he claims
now that he's the driver of the car and had
nothing to do with actually firing around that killed him.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
But truly that doesn't really matter under the circumstances because
again he was involved in the crime. That's correct, all right, Well,
what is one of the more interesting sort of developments
during this interview that you knew you had the right guy.
I guess because I'm just kind of wondering how this
all unfolds.

Speaker 7 (02:04:06):
Well, when he first sits down and everything, you know,
the two of them were best friends. They grew up
in school together Princeton. The person was actually killed was
an upcoming football sensation. They thought he'd make it actually
to the NFL, and he played off the fact that
they were great, you know, great friends and everything. And

(02:04:26):
when the shooting took place. Lamar didn't actually pass the
night of the shooting. It was a couple of days thereafter.
And this individual would actually stay with the family, you know,
as a friend and everything else. And he had no
idea that he was actually part of the homicide while
he was living with an household.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
All right, well, we'll bring Jim Grendel back again. Storied
law enforcement crew with the Springdale Police Department. He's been
involved in a lot of different cases, some fascinating ones
to me. We can touch base on a few more
of those and talk about his career in law enforcement.
God bless those in law enforcement. Grinnell will continue. It's
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Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Eight eighteen here fifty fouo KRCD talk station. Jim Grindle
retired from the springdalf Police Department, and he did a
whole bunch of years as a police officer but also
an investigator. I'm talking about one of the cases he
did an interview on and ultimately the suspect was incarcerated
homicide investigation. The interview, it's a very interesting work of

(02:06:34):
you know, how you get information out of a guy
who's in absolute, outright denial and lying to you through
his teeth. I thought it was a rather funny exchange, Jim,
you're He says, I wasn't there, I wasn't in the car.
I wasn't in the car. And you say, wait a second,
I got your phone records. Man, we know you were there.
And he denied even knowing the woman that was involved
in the crime, although he had like twenty two different

(02:06:56):
phone calls tour. I mean, this guy was just an
exercise of futility in his denials.

Speaker 7 (02:07:01):
Well, he only claimed to note for a short period
of time, but because of those records, we know that
the actual robbery has been playing like four days in
prior to that, and that they'd actually known each other
for over a week.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
Wow, how did the person get shot because it was
an accidental shooting?

Speaker 7 (02:07:16):
He said, well, well, well, one of them was driving
the car. And I really don't want to throw the
actual shooter out yet here because it's in the book
and I think it'd be interesting for people to kind
of it's a hoody type thing. Sure, But in the
in the getaway leaving the crime scene of the robbery,
he shot the another individual gets shot is in the

(02:07:36):
front seat of the car.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
It was an accident. The shot came from the back seat.
So you ever see pulp fiction?

Speaker 7 (02:07:41):
I did not see that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Oh well, there's a scene in pulp fiction the the
uh one of the gangsters in the front of the
car and he's got his forty five automatic but he
has his finger on the trigger and he's talking to
a kid that's in the back seat asking him a question,
and the gun goes off and it blows the kid's
head off. As a total accident, But that's sounds analogous
to what happens. That's pretty much what happened. Okay, keep

(02:08:04):
your finger off the trigger unless you are intending to
shoot the firearm. A little lesson there. So it's called
the homicide investigation. The interview, real fascinating stuff with Jim. Jim,
I understand you have another book in the works. What's
that one about?

Speaker 7 (02:08:19):
That's actually a homicide from nineteen ninety nine. It's the
Walker It's gonna be the Walker Files. It's a sixty
seven year old man that was beaten to death in
his home. We know that the people response before the
death or out of the Indianapolis, Indiana area, two people
were actually apprehended for using the credit cards after about

(02:08:40):
a thirty day surveillance of some gas stations, and then
from there some other suspects were they're really strong, strong,
you know, people of ventures. Because of some of the
things that occurred in Indianapolis and also here in Cincinnati,
we could put them in the locations here.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
All right, So another sort of who done it? And
a crime book in the works. We're here from Jim
on that one. After it's out and done, make sure
you give me a copy of it.

Speaker 7 (02:09:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Let me just get your comments and thoughts about we.
I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement. You know that
we've already talked about it, and I think you were
aware from listening to the show. My sister retired from
the Cincinni Police Department after twenty five years of career
law enforcement. Your perception of what's going on now? We
have a difficult time recruiting police officers now, the defund

(02:09:29):
the police, the police are all a bunch of racists.
You know that kind of narrative has permeated through the society.
Are since a police departments down one hundred and fifty officers.
They're losing more and more every day. I know they
got some classes lined up and they're trying to do
some lateral hires. What's your take on law enforcement right now?
You know, for someone out there that maybe consider for
a career, and do you think things have kind of

(02:09:51):
run off the rails as we exist in a society
here relative to our perceptional law enforcement.

Speaker 7 (02:09:55):
Well, from when I started in nineteen eighty, things have
come along way, and I say that not in a
good way. When you got law enforcement back then, it
was a brotherhood. It was something you really wanted to do.
Now it's a job for just money. I mean people
come and get to work. You know, I see people
turning down details to pay fifty five sixty dollars an hour.

(02:10:19):
There's not a strong brotherhood like there used to be.
And it's like you said that with the courts and
what they're doing now with the people that are you know,
I think what they do is they protect mostly the
bad people and the people that are good people it's
just don't work for them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
Well, in your motivation to go into law enforcement, I
suppose comes out of your sense of community. You want
to help the community. You want to you know, get
the bad guys and see the justices served well.

Speaker 7 (02:10:45):
With everything said like that, here I am forty four
years later and I still enjoy it like it was
the day one for me.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
Yeah, well, one sense of community doesn't disappear with age.
I mean, you can become jaded and cynical, but it's
the reason you entered into law enforcement. And it's kind
of a shame that it's it's it's it's gotten the
way it has. And you're right, I said, the the
the core to the justice system, the key, you know,
leg on the stool of the justice system is holding

(02:11:11):
people accountable and and and you know, punishing them for
their crimes. It acts as a deterrent so that others
do not do it. He's that person's held out as
an example. Look what's going to happen to you if
you do the same damn thing, So you're not inclined
to do it. I wouldn't want to go to jail,
for God's sake. It's enough of a determ for me
to keep my nose clean my entire life. But if
you take that away, things runningm uck well. And with

(02:11:34):
that said, I mean I've worked with a lot of
great people. My career wouldn't be like it is without
the people I worked side by side with. And I
mean there's a lot of good people out there, and
then a lot of them have the same feelings I
do that this is a great career. I still recommend
it to people. Good for you, I'm glad so.

Speaker 7 (02:11:50):
And that's what you put into it. I mean, if
you go into it with a you know, where you
get along with people, you like to work with people,
it'll work for.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
You, right, And no one's going to tell anybody it's
an easy job, that's for sure, but it can be
very rewarding. It is, Yeah, well, Jim, it's been a
real pleasure having you in the studio talking. Joe's gonna
put your book up on my blog page P five
cars dot com. You look, did you publish this yourself
or do you have luckily published because you didn't go
to Chili Dog Press?

Speaker 4 (02:12:17):
Did you?

Speaker 7 (02:12:17):
I did not, now that ch asked me that that's
one I don't remember. I know exactly what it is.
I just can't say the name of it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
Now, that's all right.

Speaker 7 (02:12:27):
It's a local right there off of Fairfax.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
Joe put it on the blog page fifty five cars
dot com. I noted one more thing I gotta ask
you before we part company today, and I wish you
best of the weekend. The Russia White Plastic investigation is
one of the high profile cases you mentioned in the
liner notes on the back of the book. Real quick,
what's that all about?

Speaker 7 (02:12:46):
Well, well, at what they were doing is they were
coming in and this was going on over the country.
But they were taking Now the credit cards are they
got the little strip on the backside of them. What
they were doing is they were they were in voting
them with you know, stuff that they stole information off
other cards. Then they would go to ATM machines and

(02:13:07):
start withdrawing money. And they were doing this all over
the country, and they were out of Turkey and some
people out of Russia, and Secrett Service did the majority
of that, but it started a lot. Actually in Springdale,
they went to a what was that a travel Yeah,
and they were taking the cards and putting nine thousand,
nine hundred and niney nine dollars on them, and that

(02:13:28):
started the investigation with us.

Speaker 1 (02:13:29):
Well, and as you also worked with the FBI, got
secret service there, and you're involved in a multitude of
cases over your entire career. Jim, it's been a real
pleasure talking. Will you thank for putting it down on
paper and letting us enjoy and learn from your experience
as law enforcement officer.

Speaker 7 (02:13:41):
Well, I appreciate you for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:13:43):
It's been a real pleasure. Have a wonderful weekend, sir.
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Over to the phones. I'm gonna go, Jeff, Welcome to
the morning show. Happy Friday to you, my friend.

Speaker 12 (02:15:19):
Good morning, Brian. As always you enjoy our true patriots.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
Buddy love hearing that. I truly appreciate the compliment, and
I do take it as a great compliment.

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
It is it is.

Speaker 12 (02:15:29):
Hopefully it will never be a code word. But anyway,
I mean there's been crazier Jeff. Anyway, Well that's true.

Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:15:41):
What I want to let all the listeners know, and
of course to talk to their friends about, is you
can have the best police force in the world, but
unless you have strong district attorneys and prosecutors and even
city council people, you're not going to have a very

(02:16:02):
good law enforcement because they're the ones who will then
end up punishing the people that the police bring in.
And as we've seen unfortunately in a lot of these
coastal cities which will remain nameless New York and calibrating

(02:16:22):
and and they it's it's not going to help the
police if all you do is it's a revolving door
when they bring them in and they just release them.
If you do something wrong, if you and I, you
or I break the law, we have to be punished.
It's not so much as a cruel thing. It's actually

(02:16:45):
a good thing. It keeps us from reoffending, It keeps
us from getting worse with our law breaking. I mean,
if you don't punish these people, it just emboldens them
to do worse and worse things. And I just can't
reiterate enough that we got to remember when you when

(02:17:07):
you hire these people, when you vote for them, they've
got to be strong on the police. They've got to
be strong on the constitution. Right, We've got to make
sure we punish the evildoers and try to protect the victims.
I mean, we just got to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
I agree. And as I've talked with the FOP president
and many times and over the years of talking to
the various FOP presidents, members of law enforcement, if you
don't have the enforcement element in place, if either your
prosecutorial wing is not interested in prosecutions, which up until
recently has not been the case, if you judges will
not punish and they're very lenient, then the police think

(02:17:47):
it's a pointless effort to do their job. I mean,
you know, I always kind of speculate them in the
back of my mind, you know, Jay, Jeff, I wonder
what the real crime statistics would be if the police
actually arrested everybody who should have been arrested, if they
didn't just ignore the curfew violations. Let the young teenagers
go out on the street because they know that nothing's
going to happen of them, and the work in arresting

(02:18:08):
them is a pointless gesture because there's no place to
put them, so why bother If they had actually, you know,
issued citations or otherwise arrested everybody that they encounter who's
committed to crime and it has the justifiable reason for
being arrested, I bet the crime stats would be a
lot worse. It's just that its point is doing their job.
I feel sorry for It's one of the reasons morale
is down. Yeah, my friend, I appreciate the call, Jeff,

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Speaker 6 (02:19:53):
Morning, Brian, no problem, brother gobtailing with your discussion, and
I that it's been right on the money. You know,
not only are police discouraged because of liberal judges.

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
Let's be fair here.

Speaker 5 (02:20:06):
Liberal judges supported.

Speaker 6 (02:20:08):
By your local Democrat party that give light sentences no bonds,
think that the criminals are the victims, and the victims
are actually forgotten about.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
That is the cause for a lot of this. But
I'd like to dovetail this over.

Speaker 12 (02:20:24):
To not to always tie everything to party politics.

Speaker 6 (02:20:26):
But something that jumped out at me. I don't know
if you, I'm sure you saw that yesterday was the second,
if not third. I'm kind of losing count. It becomes
like an exercise daily for these people. Another protest was
held yesterday around around the country. Yea, and which is
funny that it was during it seemed to be during
business hours.

Speaker 8 (02:20:46):
A lot of these people don't have jobs.

Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
This might be their job.

Speaker 6 (02:20:49):
But I saw there's a recurring theme along a lot
of these protesters, and that is that they are actually
There was many, many signs in many shirts I saw
that said something online wishing violence on Donald Trump and
actually the murder of Donald Trump. To be honest with you,
when you say eighty six forty seven and then you chuckle.

(02:21:13):
A woman had a sign that said someone just do it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:19):
And I asked, what this.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
I saw that. Yeah, I saw your post on that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:21:23):
Yes, And so you know these people and then they
advocate for so these people are actually I just I
don't know where the disconnect is with these people in
there in what should be a brain area that they.

Speaker 1 (02:21:35):
Can't make the connection.

Speaker 6 (02:21:36):
They are advocating for the murder of a human being.

Speaker 8 (02:21:39):
Murder.

Speaker 6 (02:21:39):
Let's just call it what it is, a murder of
a human being because they disagree with them politically. I
want that to sink into everybody out there. When you
know you might lif like Donald Trump, God knows, I
did not. I was not a big fan of Joe Biden.
But you can search back through any any utterance I've
ever made regarding Joe Biden or the number I've never
advocate catered for the actual death of another human beings

(02:22:03):
on political lines or any other lines. Now, are there
some that I won't be torn up about if their
time comes?

Speaker 4 (02:22:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:22:10):
Sure, I mean, let's be honest, But that doesn't that's
not on political that's more on personal beats.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
That I might have with somebody.

Speaker 6 (02:22:17):
Where the Democrat Party is at as far left as
they've gone, I find really really troubling, and voters need
to you know, you are lamenting the police, are lamenting
the crime and about the crime, the violence here in Cincinnati.
You can clearly trace this back to one party here.

(02:22:37):
And I'm not saying everything breaks down on party lines.
And then they say, oh, judges are a political that's
a bunch of bunk. Okay, judges don't get to put
an R or D next to it. But they are
they are very supported by political parties. They are nominated,
they are supported, they are held up, they are they
are you know, voted by mostly on political lines. And

(02:22:59):
you can clearly traced fact that God only is this poor,
you know, the level of morale on the police suffering
because of this you know, it's just we said no deterrence.
I saw news stories yesterday about oh protesters arrested at
the anti ice protests on the Rowland Bridge. They're arrested
because they were blocking traffic.

Speaker 4 (02:23:21):
Okay, you don't have the right to block traffic.

Speaker 6 (02:23:24):
You might right to protest. You still have a sideway,
sidewalk all day long. But where where is this coming from?

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
And let's call it out.

Speaker 6 (02:23:31):
You know this this we've crossed the path we are now.
One party is actively they're a lot of their supporters,
and to be fair, the leaders go along with it
because God knows.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
They cannot fight.

Speaker 6 (02:23:43):
Their mob that they have is one of their pillars
of their base. So one of we have a political
party in America right now today is advocating for the
murder of one of their political opponents. Yet somehow these
very same people have the gumption to get on their
soapbox and label the.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Other side as Nazis. Yeah find it funny. Yeah? Well,
and you know the other thing I find very troubling.
And on one level, you know, the sort of maybe
little ill libertarian and we kind of find some understanding
and appreciation for the argument. But in the days that
we live in now where there's docsing and where people
can easily be found where they live, who their family

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members are. Just using social media alone as a tool
like Facebook, you can figure out who family members are.
Of course, go to the Hamilton County Auditor's web page
and find out if somebody owns a house under a
certain name in Hamilton County. But all the counties have
that the idea that that there are elected officials pushing
for legislation taking away the ability of ICE agents to
keep their faces covered to avoid that happening. Because it

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is happening. Our ICE agents are under threat all the time.
I mean the amount of crime and criminal activity directed
at ICE agents according to report I read, is jumped
like eight hundred and fifty percent. They're being threatened, their
families are being threatened, and one of the ways they
have to protect themselves and their families from that is
by key and their faces covered.

Speaker 6 (02:25:01):
So no question, and I'll tell you this, I say,
you may hear it, Neil right on the head, you know, clear,
you know, I'll just to parenthetically, I was a victim,
you know, a liberal here in the township, a local
lunatic UH created a false profile and and and went
on social media, listed my property, both of my properties
for sale, put my phone number out there, also put

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my name on made false claims about pedophilia and put
it on a pedophile side. I had to get that
taken down. This is what occurs in America today. And they,
you know, yuck, yuck, wink wink, we didn't do it.
We don't know who.

Speaker 4 (02:25:35):
That is.

Speaker 6 (02:25:36):
What a croc, I mean, just what a crock. The
lunatic left is keep lurching further and further to the left,
and you know, unless the voters finally have had enough,
and this next election cycle you have a good chance
to do that by re electing good conservative judges.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
That's where it starts.

Speaker 6 (02:25:55):
And I'm not saying vote along party lines, but by god,
if you don't start holding these parts. He is responsible
for nominating, supporting, and pushing these liberal judges across the
finish line. And then they get an office and they
have the gumption to say, oh, that's an a political part.

Speaker 1 (02:26:10):
You know that's not a partisan position.

Speaker 6 (02:26:13):
Well, it clearly is. And that goes all the way
down to school boards. I mean you know that that
the school boards, I truly feel should be a political However,
in today's society, what is what isn't a political? Everything
you do now today has been spun is political. Yes, So,
I mean, you know, you have a choice to make.
One party has lurched further and further to the left,

(02:26:33):
and now that they're not getting their way, they're becoming
violent and pushing for violence and advocating murder. And the
other party. I'd love for someone to point out, can
you think, I mean, you've known me a long time,
and you've known my conservative views, and you know conservatives.
Can you remember anyone pushing or advocating for the murder

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or death of Joe Biden?

Speaker 8 (02:26:56):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:26:58):
I don't know Obama, I don't never.

Speaker 6 (02:27:02):
Never would need to be considered unfathomable. Now is the norm?

Speaker 4 (02:27:07):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (02:27:07):
So unless we unless we start to reel this back in,
we're going to have a very big problem. Violence is
not the answer. However, when confronted with violence, you only
have you know, you have the right to defend yourself.
And if that, if it's going to be survival of
the fittest, that's who anarchy is, that's what we're going for.
That's the place I don't want to go and I
don't want to live.

Speaker 1 (02:27:27):
In a society like that a then all day long,
although Drew I got to point out, I would like
to qualify this. I don't want to see that happen.
I don't want to go through some kind of civil war.
I don't want societal unrest. Generally. I want to be
able to go about my life peacefully, but knowing the
people that I know, if it came down to a
shooting war, I think we're probably on the better equipped side, Drew. Plus,

(02:27:52):
we've got the range time. I appreciate it, Drew, I do. Man,
you have a great weekend. I appreciate tenning in the
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Joe Strekkers there a producer always putting smile on my
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a good friend of mine, friend of everybody's. Keegan Corcoran,
good head, you back on the show man, Thanks for
calling in this morning.

Speaker 8 (02:28:53):
Hey Brian, I worry man.

Speaker 1 (02:28:54):
I'm doing fine. We need to have another wine discussion
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If you don't know Keegan, he is the former song
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has achieved. So there's your background, Keegan, and some free
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Speaker 8 (02:29:22):
Thanks for the plug, man, I appreciate now. I was
speaking of why you know, I'm driving around as I
do in the morning's always listened to you, always enjoy
the show.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
You know that, thanks mate.

Speaker 8 (02:29:33):
You know, listen to some of these conversations. A few
things kind of kind of struck me and it's kind
of been going around in my head lately when I've
been tuning in the news or whatnot, and you know,
the reports of you know, juvenile crime up et cetera,
et cetera, which I don't think is exclusive to Cincinnati.
But you know, there's one thing, that one element that's

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always neglected or at least too rarely neglected to be
talked about that you know, dads need to be more
involved with with their children's lives. And there needs to
be a bigger push rather than or maybe not rather,
but in tandem with all these other efforts that we're
trying to do, we need to be putting out the
message that you know, dads and fathers are such an

(02:30:17):
important role in the development, especially in the development of
of young men's lives, to where if they don't have that,
it's it's too easy for them to go astray and
and get you know, not only influenced by, but taking
advantage of some some bad actors and bad characters and
thus caused a bunch of trouble. But you know, I

(02:30:38):
I really think that that's that's the biggest solution, would
be the biggest tool in the tool belt of the
city and the region to just get the word out
even more so. And and dads you need to get
involved in uh and and it's it's just it's just rampant,
and you're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
You are right, and you know that to double down
on your point, the need for father and the need
for the involvement of men and these young people's lives
to help mold them, to show them, you know what
it is to go to work every day. I mean
that alone. If you're live in a house and you
got a dad that gets up every day and goes
to work, he is demonstrating something to you that is valuable,

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that work is important and he's willing to get up
and go to work every day for you, it's a
sign of love without even say out loud, I love you.
But the problem is we live right now at a
time in society when men are belittled, they have been minimized.
Women don't need men in their lives. They're equal as men,
and they're not going to play I mean, you know
how it is the idea of a real, true old

(02:31:36):
fashioned man's man has been replaced by, you know, the
likes of like a David Hog type character.

Speaker 8 (02:31:43):
Yeah, it's it's really bizarre. I'm at least thankful of
the previous election that we've seen some change and some
shift of that time.

Speaker 4 (02:31:51):
But you know in a day and age.

Speaker 8 (02:31:53):
Where the stupid phrays you know, toxic massiculinity. Yeah, I
mean that that is just is definition less as toxic femininity.
So like if somebody can like describe either one of those,
you know, but that's never spoken of. It's just it's
the blame so to speak, or whatever do you want
to call that. It's falling squarely on the shoulders of men.

(02:32:16):
And it's just not a great example for people. You know,
both of the sexes bring wonderful things to the table,
and and you know, family unit is made whole by
both those people moving together, you know. And and but
fathers need to be in the homes and dads need
to get involved, and that's what needs to happen in
the community more. And that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (02:32:37):
That's my two cents today, besides.

Speaker 8 (02:32:39):
All the wine knowledge I got floating around.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
Brian, one of only six under the world to hold
the title of Advanced Salier within the Court of Masters,
says and I'm waiting for you hit the next level, Keegan.
I know it will happen someday, but in the meantime again,
ignitionwines dot com free free pub for my friend Keegan,
and you're right, Keegan. The theation and fall of the
nuclear family, I think can be traced directly to the

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problem we're having with young people these days. And I
have talked to so many men and women in law
enforcement as well as education and counselors and psychologists and
psychiatrists over the years. They would agree with you completely
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