55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Brigham McCown, Bill Seitz

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Clay Travis senden Bucks next to me. Epstein didn't kill himself.
I don't think that's a crazy town perspective. Today at
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Five o five at fifty five kr R see the
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My name is Brian Thomas, host of the fifty five
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I hope you have a wonderful day and a great weekend.
I've got some good plans going on. What is coming
up on the fifty five kr S Morning Ship, Well,
it's Friday. I mean it's tech Friday. He's coming up
at six thirty dek Friday with interest. It's Dave Hatter.

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People are being committed with jet or chat, GPT psychosis. Well,
we're all going to learn something new today on that one.
Kroger scanning your ID when you buy alcohol. Why, yeah,
it's a new process at Kroger. Bought a twelve pack
of beer the other day and they well actually they've

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been doing it for a couple of weeks now scanning
your driver's license, which was kind of funny because there's
a liquor store inside of Kroger where we shop and
for it was at one time I made a liquor
purchase at the liquor store. They didn't card me, And
then when we got our groceries, we went up to
the front, and then I had the beer in the

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cart and they card me for the beer and even
asked the question, wait a second, they didn't card anybody
in the liquor store. How come you're carding me at
the front. Apparently now they're carding the at the liquor
store as well. Why. I mean, you clearly are over
the age of twenty one. Seeing them card some people
that you know, my mom's age, it always seems so ridiculous,
and you know, you can't take it out on the
person asking for the ID. It's like they didn't write

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the rules, they just have to enforce them. I always
thought it was really dumb that the people under the
age of twenty one who are working the checkout aren't
allowed to scan your liquor in either. They got to
go to the guy next door who's over the age
of twenty one to scan it. So okay, anyway, I
don't make the rules, man, I just think them up
and write them down. And finally with Dave had he

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don't connect artificial intelligence to your vending machine, Guy, Joe, Joe,
disconnect your vending machine from artificial intelligence. Bring mccollan, our
energy expert, Charge Conversations. Bring mcowen's podcast, check that one
out from the Hudson Institute. He's going to be in
studio as he is inclined to do for a full
hour seven o five would bring him. We got lots

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of different things to talk about him, including the revocation
of the alleged carbon dioxide emergency declaration. There, we got
a new sheriff in town with the Trump administration, and
they're taking away the whole notion that CO two has
any connection with That is, basically, it's not a pollutant,
and there's solid scientific evidence to confirm that. I can

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dive on into that a little bit later to the program.
So if we stop regulating carbon dioxide, which is fine,
then you and I get a lot of control over
our lives back. Certainly, this global warming hysteria climate change
hysteria has provided a government a great mechanism to intrude

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into literally every aspect of our day to day lives.
So maybe maybe we see a refreshing, welcome change in
front of us here on that one. Bring them. I'm
certain we'll comment on that. Bill Sites on property Taxes. Yes,
he is on the committee created by Governor de Wine
in the aftermath of the veto of the the tax provisions,

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the property tax relief that was in the budget. Man,
we can't have that line item them right out and here,
start a new plan, get a new working group together,
put Bill Sites in charge, and we'll see what they
come up with. In spite of the fact that a
year's worth of effort and work and looking into how
to get us property tax relief had already been done anyhow,

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eight oh five for that one five, one, three, seven,
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still making national news the city of Cincinnati, although not
on several different networks. There was a Fox News reporting
on this, and I thought it rather comical. Media Research
Councils NewsBusters took a look at ABC, CBS and NBC

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and these various programs there ut are that they have
since the vile Cincinnati assault and found no coverage of
the event through yes or through Wednesday of this week.
Nothing didn't even mention it, and it's noted and a
lot of people have been made this this parallel, this
sort of analysis. If it was a group of white

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people beating down a group of a couple of innocent
obviously without a mechanism or means to defend themselves black people,
this would have resulted in immediate riots in the street,
organized protests, condemnation protests from every single mayor and every
elected official across this great land of ours talking about
how vile and inexcusable this is. And that suggestion is

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that that's the point, because it wasn't white on black crime,
that NBC, ABC and CBS didn't touch it with a
ten foot poll because the optics look bad, something several
of my black listeners have pointed out, Yes, it makes
my community look bad, and yeah, I mean people tend

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to pay with a broad brush. So there you have it,
but still making national news. And of course Victoria Park's
a big lightning rod nationally because she said that those
poor people deserve the beatdown apparently sticking with her argument,
and let us analyze the failure and fallacy of Victoria
Parks analysis of her comment relative to the rights of

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free speech. So those folks deserved a beatdown, that's basically
what she said. Now, can you extend the violence against
those people based upon anything that might have started the
original fight? And that's where she fails in her analysis.
In this country, she said, we have freedom of speech. However,

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you may not run into a crowded theater and scream fire.
He was in a crowded theater and screamed fire. There
are unintended consequences, but that's what happened. I think she
is referring to is the guy that got the crap
beat out of him by the angry mob. Now it's

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been suggested that he's initiated the whole thing by me
be using the N word. I haven't heard any definitive
proof of that, but I do believe that some believe
that's how it got started. I know there was a slap.
Whether that slap was the first physical connection between the
two that the fight started between, or maybe he got

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hit prior to the slap, don't know, but it was
two people obviously engage in a bit of a controversy
which exploded. Park said, it's a metaphor. Regarding the analogy
in a crowded theater, I'm just going to let people
draw their own conclusion. That's my statement, obviously not retracting
her idea they deserve to beat down. Now started from

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the proposition you can't screen fire in a crowded room.
Why is that analogy used? It's from a Supreme Court
case from a long time ago. Fine. The reason is
because there may be not an opportunity for others to
step up and say no, there is no fire. You
get an immediate reaction from a crowd that might result
in chaos, with folks stampeding for the door, which could

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result in harm or injury. Unintended. It may be, But
if someone were to screen fire in a crowded room
and you reached over and hauled off and punched the
living crap out of the person right next to you,
a it doesn't excuse the person who lied and said
there's fire here, causing perhaps a panic, but you would

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be prosecuted for battery and assault for punching the person
next to you merely because someone utters a word that
maybe isn't protected speech does not give you the legal
right to start committing violence and crimes of your own,
which is exactly what happened. So maybe the guy did
say something bad untoward, Maybe he deserved to get punched

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by the guy he was talking to. Let those two
work it out between themselves. That doesn't allow a crowd
of people to start committing independent crimes of their own
merely because someone said something offensive. Does not give you
the right to break the law and hurt other people.
And she fails the factor into this. They deserved a

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beat down was her original comment, which drew controversy because
while you can maybe make an argument the guy deserved
it because of something he said, which I'm sitting here
telling you, no, you can't. But one of the poor
woman who seemed to be merely rendering aid and got
smacked cole cocked in the face with a closed fist punch,

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resulting in substantial injuries, did she deserve that beat down?
Victoria Parks, was she involved in the initial confrontation between
the two guys where this thing sort of seemed to
have started, seemed to have I think the answer is
quite clearly no. This is embarrassing, she's embarrassing, well, most notably,

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she's embarrassment to herself. This is an elected official in
the city of Cincinnati, you know. I mean I always
laugh at the guy, the representative that thought Guam was
going to capsize, he would put more buildings on it,
you know. And how embarrassing is that. I mean, that's
just reflective of just an absolute ignorance of so many
different things. And you know, it's like, there's that guy.

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He's from that state. Thank god, he's not one of ours.
We don't elect idiots like that. Well, sorry, Cincinnati, you
can't say that. And we have an illustration of what's
going to happen in downtown Cincinnati real time, something that
Sarah Herringer's talked about yesterday on the fifty five KARS

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Morning Show. She no no longer lives in Over the Rhine.
Their business had been broken into before her husband got
murdered in their home. She had mentioned yesterday She's in
studio for an hour talking about the ordeal in downtown Cincinnati,
looking for ways to better this, come up with solutions,
bring more information to people's attention, asking for follow up
on all these non governmental organizations that are getting your

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taxpayer dollars in the city who are supposed to go
out into the world and come up with solutions. Does
anybody follow up on that and report on whether that
NGO or that outside organization actually has made any progress.
The answer apparently is no, because she's looked for it,
there is no follow up. But what she did live
and her late husband lived in real time was the

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fact that they had they were victims of break ins burglaries,
arson And there's only so much you can put up
with when you're a business owner in downtown CINCINNTI or
a resident, I might add. She mentioned a bar that
closed because it had been broken into so many times.
You can't. I mean, the profit margins aren't big anyway,

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but you know you just like at one point say sorry,
I'm just I can't put up with this anymore. Well,
we got another business you can add to the list
of folks who've already made that decision. Talk about that
coming up. I got Todd on the phone top. If
you don't mind holding, I'll take your call first. Got
to take quick break here five sixteen right now, fifty
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guitar from Lenny Kilmester and a few words the Bible
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You can feel free to call. But uh, you know,

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it was kind of interesting because Jason Williams from the Inquirre,
in the aftermath of the brawl and the beatdown, UH
had these observations, What I care about us is not
becoming viewed like New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle,
in the other places where city government has pushed public
safety way down on the priority list. Perception is critical.
Perception drives decisions on events, which brings tens of thousands

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of visitors annually from the suburbs and hundreds of miles away.
Perception helps drive a company's decision to relocate, which can
draw employees from around the globe. Perception drives population growth,
and he wrote, I feel more horror incidents will erode
perception a point where events and companies and visitors and
prospective residents decide to stay away. What if that happens.

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Not trying to be an alarmist, but it's something any
caring and competence city leaders should be asking. Yeah, and
this is a problem that's been building. As we talked
about yesterday with Sarah Herringer, our numbers have been down
to this insin police force and aren't enough officers to
go around. They're desperately trying to get lateral hires to
fill the ranks that have been down for a long time.

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City government failed to get ahead of the matter by
staying on top of it and keeping a full contingent
of police officers, maybe not funding other areas of government
in favor of maintaining law enforcement levels to keep us
all at least with the perception of safety. And of course,
again Sarah Herringer yesterday talking about the violence that she,
her husband, the residents of over the Ryan experience on

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a regular basis. Here's a real life illustration of what
happens when you don't take care of law enforcement. We
got a logistics firm near downtown Cincinnati now relocating to
Blue Ash after well the violence in and around the
city over the recent weeks since I inquire Randy Tucker
reporting that Victor Lewis, founder and CEO of One Logistics Network,

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set in an interview with The Inquire that the July
twenty sixth incident was in d day factor. I guess
last straw in his decision to move the logistic company
out of downtown Cincinnati and over to apparently the more
safe Blue Ash community. He said he'd been contemplating this
move for months, just signed a lease for new office
spase near Summit Park and Blue Ash. We're out, he said.

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Nothing is going to change until businesses start drawing a
line and saying no more, this ain't happening. July twenty
sixth incident reaffirmed his decision to relocate. Also, he cited
previous incidents, including the July fifth shooting at the Banks
near Smell Park injuring three people, and a recent stabbing

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of the guy near Third and Broadway Streets in downtown.
He also wrote an open letter to city officials criticizing
what he described as quote a decline in the liveability
and professionalism of the downtown area, which he wrote quotes
stem from a failure in leadership and a lack of
effective city management. He said, I understand the are complex

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issues at play, But I have employees who are freaking out.
This just isn't a place where we feel safe doing business.
Apparently he's going to continue operating from his Queen's Gate
headquarters for the next several months, but he is trying
to fast track the company's move quote. Cincinnati needs leadership

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that is ready to refocus on the foundational responsibilities that
once made this city thrive. And until that happens, I
will be relocating my business along with the jobs and
investment and brings to a more supportive environment. Well there's that,

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isn't it. And do you think he's the only individual
who is thinking along these lines. Sarah suggests that people
are moving out of Over the Rhine. I'm just kind
of curious what property values has been impacted by this.
I don't know if you can do is zilo search
and find what the current valuation is for any given

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urban hipster rehabbed apartment building that they were spent so
many years trying to create and develop and almost very
successfully so, only to be undermined by the deterioration of
the conditions in the city of Cincinnati. Over the Rhine
a hotbed of criminal activity. One of the areas that's
reported a substantial increase in criminal activity. If you're a

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would be urban hipster contemplating a move, what do you think.
Obviously not, something's going to steer you in the direction
of pulling the trigger and saying, Yep, I want the
living walking community. I want to be able to walk here,
walk there, take the street car to my job. All
sounds wonderful until you realize you got to be out
in the world, in and among people who might want
to just give you a beat down for no reason. Yeah,

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it's a sad state of affairs. Hate to see it.
I'm one of those folks that dearly loves the city
of Cincinnati. I've commented many times over the years, how
much better the quality of life my wife and I
have having moved back from Chicago to Cincinnati coming up
I guess thirty years now, and I never regret that decision.

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But am I more inclined to go downtown and participate
in activities and maybe go to the Brady Center and
see a concert again, or maybe go to one of
the wonderful downtown Cincinnati restaurants? Uh huh. I'm usually not
that guy who's I hate city. Since I used to
laugh at people. When to worked at Anthem in the
legal department, I had one woman say, I never ever

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going downtown. It's dangerous, And those are the days I
used to defend going downtown saying listen, I talked to
the police enough. I used to have Chief Tom Straker
on the Show with the Cops show every Friday, and
it was the same repeated over and over and over again. Point,
which is, if you're not involved in drug activity or
criminal activity, you're safe in downtown Cincinnati. The likelihood of
you being a victim of a crime, if you're not

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involved in criminal activity, most notably drugs, it's slim to none.
You know, you can say that anymore about twenty six
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mirror those of Maren's Tom, Welcome to the show, Happy Friday,
my friend, Hey.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Good morning. And I get the first I heard of
your your daughter's getting married, So I gets congratulations.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, and all that.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Next June, next next June.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
So it's almost a year away. And and and that means
you know what's coming, uh, not too long after that,
maybe a couple of years would be grand kids.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I'll take them. I'd love to have a grandchild.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
They are they are. The grandkids are great. It's their
parents that are.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, well we're babysitters of the grand puppy almost on
a daily basis, because her fiance works for Fast and
Pro and they're in Loveland, and so he drops uh
Dahlia off into the I mean extreme joy of our
dog Liam. They love hanging out with each other, and
anytime Dahlia isn't dropped off to be babysad, my dark
dog gets depressed. He's kind of mopes around the house.

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It's like, where dold you?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
So, yeah, that's the dog we heard on the deep Dive.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Yes, yeah, cool.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
You just you just stuck your arm out, pointed, well, that's.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
What my wife had just walked into the room. She
was standing off camera, and I was pointing at the
dog for her to go out, exactly what I was
talking about.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, just yeah. My daughter brought our grandpap over.
I told you this his first year or so, it
was one. He grew up in our house, so we're
grandma and granddad and he got to come over and
play ball with Granddad. It's been a while, so he
loved it.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So some day, hopefully, hopefully I listened.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I listened to your uh, your interview with Sarah Herringer. Uh,
yesterday I got to get on the podcast to listen
to him. Wow, that's some that's some powerful stuff. I
know that's not the first time you've talked to her,
but uh, that's the first time I've been able to
sit and listen to a whole thing and and uh,
incredible story and uh and hoping that that the shining

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the light on this, uh, this particular incident, and then
her continuing on and her her quest to get some
changes made does something. Uh, And there's a couple of
things that came out of it that that really struck me. Obviously,
we all know that there is definitely a need for
a deterreenty downtown and really anywhere in your family, on

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a job site, uh, in a in a town or
a city, country, there has to be a deterrent. There
has to be something in place where where people who
are who are prone to commit crimes go. Maybe I'd
better not do that. That's that's because I'm not I
don't want to go to that. There's gotta be something
like that. And clearly there has been a push over

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the last tower many years to get rid of the deterrent,
and it's intentional.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
I absolutely believe that the the other thing that stood
out that she said is that you're dealing with people
who don't think like you do, people who think, you
know what, hey, let's get together and let's go beat
some people up. That's not normal thinking. That's that's that's
just that's crazy. Just to think that that's a thing

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to do. I mean, that's that's not even adolescent childish.
That's just flat out evil. And you know, let's break
into this. You know, all people are so what I
want their stuff, I'm gonna take it. And and and
part of the reason why that is allowed to happen
is because you have people like that being that councilwoman,
same crap, like that, excuse me, woman, that's just flat

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out wrong what you're saying that there is no excuse
for that kind of behavior. And when when you have
people who stand up to are allegedly city leaders who
stand up and say something like that, what do you
think the criminals, Oh, well, she's right, maybe we ought
to just stop doing it. Now they feel even even
more embolded. So we're we're electing people who allow this

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kind of behavior, and and in fact, they incentivize it.
That's it, and that's we got to stop doing that people.
We have got to stop electing people. And unfortunately, there
is a political party that embraces this kind of behavior.
It allows for it allows it to festor and makes
it worse. And that's the Democrat Party. Don't vote Democrat.
I have a great weekend, Broan.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You do the same. I was really impressed by Sarah
Herringer's ability to just stay away from politics. I don't
even know what her politics. Are, very reluctant to criticize
any particular single person or political party. But really, you mean,
when you step back from what we were talking about
together yesterday, the lack of law enforcement, the lack of

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police presence, the insufficient numbers of officers that are even
police officers, perhaps the failure of elected officials to engage
in appropriate allocation of these scarce resources, and one merely
steps back and well, who's making these decisions, who's responsible
for the selection of the police chief? And the Democrats.

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I mean, you don't have anybody to point to but Democrats.
It's an all one percent Democrat administration in the city
of Cincinnti's been dominated by and contro rold by Democrats
now for a long long time. So to the extent
you're going to point a finger at a political party
or some group of individuals. You've got a long history
of Democrats having controlled the city of Cincinnati, so I

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got to conclude that maybe it is in balls in
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Bobby is on the phone. Bobby, thanks for holding in.

Speaker 11 (27:15):
Welcome back my friend, Thank you, my brother, and happy
Friday to you.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Right back at you Love my Friday.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
We have a great Spanish influenced community around Cincinnati, and
I was out shopping yesterday and found something. It was
really nice. But they do custom pinatas Victoria Parks pinata.
I'm just wondering where to hang three or four of
the MAT's fountain square down by the city Hall.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is that stepping over the line? Yes?

Speaker 12 (27:46):
That just comical.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yes, because Victoria Parks is a black woman, and if
you use the word in context with anyone of any
black person, then you're going to be accused immediately of racism.
So let's steer clear of that concept. Bobby, What could
I do with the piata?

Speaker 12 (28:03):
Then?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, enjoying a chair or something, lay it down and
beat the crap out of it if you want. But
I still say you're going to subject yourself to perhaps
accusations of racism, even though your abuse of a pinata
in the form of the Victoria Parks model has nothing
to do with the color of her skin, has everything
to do with her insane comments suggesting that those poor

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people deserved a beating. Or maybe you just want the
candy inside, as Joe observed. Either way, understand where you're
coming from. Your anger and frustration is duly noted. Bobby, Faith, family, flag,
and freedom. Take care of my friend of a great weekend. Hey, hell,

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let's go to the Stacker. Stupid Let's start off with
a naked person because it is Friday, Stacker stupid, and
why not. We'll putting aside the female tea. Every week,
Joe's pulling out articles for the stack of stupid involving
female quite often very active female teachers who find the
need to have sex with young children. God, the world

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has just flipped upside down. But we'll move over to
the naked guy first found naked inside amen Naked inside
the Minnesota State Capitol Friday night, a man had used
a wooden wedge to prop a door open in order
to gain access after hours. According to charging documents. The
records show that Dominic Terrell Peace, thirty six years old,
charge of one kind of second degree burglar and connection

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with the trespassing arrests, also wanted to Wisconsin for violating
terms of his probation, and a warrant was filed for
his extradition.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
According to the criminal complaint filed earlier this week in
Ramsey County and Minnesota Capital Security notified of Minnesota State
patroled by eleven fifteen pm about an emotionally disturbed person
naked inside the Senate chambers throughout his encounter with the
security guard. In the state troopers, Peace made various claims,
including that he was the governor and that the capital

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was in fact his house. Told a state trooper that
he sleeps naked in his own house, I guess. Addressing
the issue of why he was naked inside the capitol,
investigators found a set of clothes in a woman's bathroom,
standing water on the floors on the floor, suggesting he
may have taken a bath there. Review of the surveillance

(30:22):
footage show piece gone inside the building around two pm Friday,
open to the public at the time, used a wedge
to prop an exterior mechanical room door. Returned at quarter
to ten in the evening, entered the building and went
inside the women's bathroom for about forty minutes before going
up to the second floor. State patrol said Peace was
taking a regional hospital for mental health evaluation and then

(30:42):
was released. After the first encounter. He reappeared in the
capitol grounds two more times, on Saturday seven thirty am
and then again at seven thirty pm, with another trip
to regions in between. He was arrested upon the third encounter.
All the while Peace had this arrest warret in Wisconsin
for falling to show up in court. That warrant authorized
law enforcement in adjoining states to arrest Peace, but when

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officers first searched him in the system, the warrant read
no extradition in state pickup only. Since that warrant wassitioned
in February, Local Law News found that Peace had been
cited by police at least five times for minor offenses,
including an arrest last week at a target in Saint
Paul for reported theft. Police said Wisconsin, Warren appeared as

(31:25):
non extraditable when they arrested him on July twenty second.
He also has pending competency evaluation on a felony matter
vehicle theft case in Ramsey County. He scheduled reappear in
court and being held out a twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Still not as crazy as Governor Waltz, Joe, is that?

Speaker 13 (31:48):
Well?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, yeah, I suppose you're right. I don't know how
Governor Waltz immediately popped in your mind, but I suppose
the word crazy might necessarily move immediately to a thought
of Governor walt since he is demonstrably crazy. I know
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Part of a Dave Hatter first topic chat GPT psychosis
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diagnosis for chat GPT psychosis and see what that's all
about coming up with Dave Hatter. Anyway, back over to

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the stack of stupid and naked guy. A's this tradition
and we go to Hong Kong for this One forty
nine year old man found dead inside a residential unit
with his nude body surrounded by sex toys. Police got
a report about three am from a security guard at

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the Wing Fat mansion. He had noticed that the door
of the unit was left for jess during his patrol,
noted a strange odor emanating from the flat. Officers discovered
a man surnamed Choo, lying naked on the bed with
blood around his nostrils. Pronounced dead at the scene, Mortuary
workers removed the man's body the following day from the unit.

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Pulmonary autopsy results showed no obvious bruises on the man. Meanwhile,
police sees multiple pieces of evidence from the premises, including
sex toys and lubricants packaged in transparent plastic bags that
filled an entire box. No doubt, case has been classified
as a discovery of a dead body under investigation by

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the Yao Sim District Crime Squad. Does it make you
curious about the cause of death, Joe, You're not going there,
huh Okay. Apprentice, Mississippi, where authorities arrested a Boonville man

(34:12):
following a public nudity incident at Fossil Park in Frankstown,
which also led to drug charges. Court to Apprentice County
Sheriff's department to call about a naked guy at a
park in the morning of July twenty fifth, prompted a
response from Sheriff Randy Toller. He arrested fifty seven year
old Donald Ritchie Hatfield on charges of indecent exposure. In
search of his vehicle by Sheriff Tolar and Deputy Colby

(34:33):
Knight revealed a felony amount of hydra codon and a
small quantity of math amphetamine. According to charges, may follow
a pending results of the crime lab analysis. Hatfield appear
before Justice Roy Hall set has bought at five grand
Department of Corrections also placed a hold on him. North
Mississippi Narcotics Agent's Grady Smith expected to present a case

(34:55):
to the grand jury for further consideration. Drugs are bad
and what is it with female teachers molesting young people?
Former Saint James High School special education teacher accused of
several sex crimes against a student, plead guilty the lester charges.

(35:17):
October twenty third, last year, prosecutors charged Ricky Lynn Waughlin
with felony count's possession of child porn, tamper or attempt
to tamper with a victim, and a felony prosecution statutory
rape second degree, sexual exploitation of a minor, tampering with
physical evidence, and a felony prosecution furnacing pornographic material to
a minor, and sexual trafficking of a child second degree

(35:38):
under the age of eighteen. Pleaded guilty to endangering the
welfare of a child and creating substantial risk first degree
first defense no sexual conduct that was her plea agreement.
Twenty fourth of this month, got five years probation. Investigation
said she had been sending pornographic videos of herself to

(35:59):
a sixteen year old student. bestI Gadda said the boy
who told him Laughlin had been sending him nude photos
on Snapchat, and it also tried to pressure him into
having sex, you know. And again I turned to the
mugshot photograph. I mean, she's just a seemingly very attractive
young woman. What is with it? Idiots doing idiot things

(36:23):
because they're idiots. Yeah, and welcome to the world again,
to social media. I love pointing this out. It's out
there in the ether. You created it, someone's gonna find
it or see it, or as in the case with
this one and so many other cases, the person you
are molesting or trying to molest under the age of eighteen,
not consenting adult. It's gonna tell somebody you're out there.

(36:44):
I know you're out there. What somebody in my listening
audience is doing this or thinking about doing this? Heed
my words? Idiots, you moron, And we go to uh,
let's see here dayline Louisville, Kentucky. But it's a former
Southern Indiana high school counselor been sentenced for having sexual

(37:05):
relationships as with a student. Brittany Eisner pleaded guilty to
child seduction and contributing the delinquency of a minor Early
on the month. Court document show the former Floyd Central
High School counselor had sexual contact with a students several
times and gave the student alcohol as well as vaping products.
Fired October last year for neglect of duty and immorality

(37:28):
after an invest district investigation found her, in their words,
unfit to supervise students. During the sentencing hearing Circuit court Monday,
Eisner ordered to serve two years in the Indiana Apartment
of Corrections for two counts of child seduction sentences running Concurrently,
she received a one year suspended sentence upon strict terms
of probation for contributing the delinquency of a minor. Also

(37:50):
ordered to have no contact with a victim and has
to register as a sex offender. Beyond that, court records
indicates she is still facing child seduction charges in Floyd County.
Floyd County. Why the world's filled with lonely people, and

(38:14):
filled with lonely people who are adults. Find one of
those and have sex with the adult who is capable
of consent. That is the law. You know. Five fifty
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were talking energy policy. Presumably that's his area of expertise.
Got some interesting developments coming out of the Trump administration
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actually a pollutant. Yeah, wouldn't that be a wonderful thing
for freedom and choice and everything else in America. They
are micromanaging our lives on the back of this climate alarmism,

(39:57):
and this would be an awesome opportunity to roll back
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People apparently are being committed what to mental institutions. Apparently
it's a thing called chat GPT psychosis. Okay, Kroger is
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asks question Mark, We'll find out. And finally, don't connect
artificial intelligence to your vending machine if you have one.
Bring McCallen again. In studio seven to five. Bill Sitz
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de Wine to try to figure out ways to provide
us with property tax relief, and I still scratched my
head over that, since all the work was done last

(40:40):
year leading up to the bill and the budget bill
it had some provisions in it for property tax relief,
which the governor vetoed and then created this separate committee
with Bill Sites heading it up Bill AT eighth five
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of housekeeping matters here last week. Earlier in the week,

(41:00):
rather Levek Ramaswami, our next Governor, dve Ake, announced that
he was going to have a town hall with former
Cincinni Vice Mayor Christopher Smithman fan of the show You're
out there, Christopher, good morning, my friend. Always love having
you on the show every week on Mondays. For the
smith event, he'll be part of this discussion Ramaswami's post.

(41:21):
We plan to invite city officials, community leaders, and any
of the victims from the assault who wish to participate.
When people feel afraid to speak their minds, that's when
frustration festers and we can't let that happen. Well, the
date and the time is set. It's Monday, August fourth,
This coming Monday, five thirty pm at Christopher Smithman's favorite spot,
Jim and Jackson the River. So we got Leeveke Ramaswami

(41:44):
and Christopher Smithman and you if you choose to be
there for the purpose of addressing crime concerns, most notably
after the craziness that happened early Saturday morning. So five
point thirty Monday, Jim and Jackson the River, and good
morning the folks at Jim and Jacks You've had listener
lunch there quite a few times. They enjoy our company,
We enjoy their service and their food and their hospitality.

(42:07):
So we'll get back to Jim and Jackson. In fact,
we'll be doing that in October. October's listener lunch at
Jim and Jackson the River. We try to have that
at Jim and Jackson in advance of elections, and I
think that's the last listener to lunch before the November election.
So put it on your calendar and if you want
to join a listener lunch next week. Parenthetically, we're going
to be at Weedham and Brewery going back there love
that place. So next Wednesday about eleven thirty, so that

(42:29):
little housekeeping matter, and you heard the top of the
our news. Donald Trump is hard at work on these
tariff negotiations, and by all accounts, he's making some pretty
good positive steps. Question Mark, will they stay in place?
Does he have the authority to do this? Talk about
this with Judge Ednapalatano on Wednesday. Legally speaking, the judge
is firmly convinced that he does not have the authority

(42:51):
to implement these tariffs unilatteralies. Is not part of the
presidential executive powers. The power lies exclusively in the with
Congress has the power of the purse. It's in the Constitution.
They can exclusively have the power to levy taxes, are
tariffs taxes. That's part of the legal arguments going on
in court. They were in court yesterday. Now the District

(43:12):
Court said, Donald Trump, you can't do this. It is
not within your constitutional powers. That decision, which would have
stopped all this flurry of activity relative to tariffs, would
have stopped the activity, presumably, but they court stayed its
own decision and they expedited the appellate process. So yesterday
the oral arguments in front of the Federal Circuit Court

(43:34):
of Appeals, and it doesn't look good for Donald Trump
and his tariffs. And now, if you don't like tariffs,
then you'd be pleased by the questions from the judges yesterday.
A little glimmer of possibility of hope there, but not much.
Several judges repeatedly asked how Trump could justify these broad tariffs,

(43:55):
and because he declared an emergency. Now there is a
thing out there that was past the nineteen seventy seven
called the International Emergency Economic Powers Act i ee PA,
which some presidents have used to set economic sanctions and
other penalties on foreign countries. But it's never been applied
to tariffs. We're on new uncharted waters here. And Judge

(44:19):
Jimmy Rama yesterday said the iee PA doesn't mention the
word tariffs anywhere. That's an obvious statement. Judge Timothy Dyke,
Clinton appointee quote it was. It was hard for me
to see the Congress intended to give the President of
the authorities essentially to rewrite the entire US TAXI would
have passed the legislation. Some of the judges noted that

(44:42):
large swaths of the nation's complex and long standing trade
procedures would essentially become superfluous of the president could simply
declare an emergency and without review by the courts, which
is exactly what the Trump administration contends it can do,
and then impose tariffs of any size in any duration. Now,
Nixon did this and it was upheld using emergency powers,

(45:03):
but it only survived the legal challenges back when Nixon
was president because they were targeted at a narrow problem
and had a clear expiration date, which is not the
case in this case. It's noted, regardless of what the
Suppello Court does, it's probably going to land up in
the Supreme Court's lap for ultimate decision. But here we
are with a bunch of seemingly skeptical judges, the majority

(45:24):
of which we're asking questions, which did not look good
for the Trump's argument. Now, Trump's justification for the emergency
tariffs are long standing and massive trade deficit with foreign
trading partners. He said, they've become that's become so bad
that they are a threat to military readiness in Americans
manufacturing capacity. But then you pivot over Brazil. He imposed

(45:44):
the fifty percent tariff from Brazil because well, free speech
concerns and the country's trial of former president Jarbalo Znaro,
that was a justification for the emergency relative to Brazil
and the imposition of the fifty percent tax there. Now.
In the argument against the tariffs, both states and private
companies claim that the deficit is neither an unusual or

(46:06):
extraordinary threat or an emergency because the United States has
had one for decades, and that's the point that Apolla
Tanum pointed out earlier this week. Both of those conditions emergency, unusual,
extraordinary are required under the IEEPA Justice Department for its
point disagreeing, arguing in favor of Trump, saying that the

(46:27):
trade deficit has exploded over recent years, jumping from five
hundred and fifty nine billion in just twenty nineteen to
nine hundred and three billion last year. Now, some judges
in the oral arguments suggest that there might they might
be agreeing with Trump's description of America's trade deficit as
an emergency, and they said his executive order authorizing tariffs

(46:50):
describe legitimate concerns about the effects of the deficit. So
there's your slight glimmer of hope. A couple of judges
at least raising the possibility they buy into the idea
that this is an emergency. Most of them, those expressing skepticism,
which is exactly what the lower court found, know this
is not an emergency. You can't use the IEEPA for

(47:10):
the tariffs. Which next question, and I asked this in
Apolitano because this is where the train wreck happens. Now,
I perceive what Trump has done so far, in spite
of the obvious concerns over its inflationary effect, He's gotten
a lot of different countries to work with him, lowering

(47:34):
their tariffs on our goods and services and agreeing to
us applying it let's say fifteen percent as the case,
maybe whatever he independently negotiates with any given country. But
they accepted that they reached an agreement. More of those
in the pipeline right now. That's called like sign deal,

(47:55):
sign sealed, delivered. They agree, we agree. Things are better. Yay,
let's all celebrate. Look, bill and billions of dollars in
promised investment in the United States. It's all good. It's
all great. So's if that's the reality. Everything's good and great.
If the court throws this out or rejects his claim
under the IEEPA that is emergency, and then he does
not have these powers, all of these agreements disappear, and

(48:21):
we're back to where we were before he started this.
Unless and does anybody believe someone proposes a piece of
legislation memorializing Trump's already agreed upon a tariff agreements into law,

(48:43):
rubber stamping and approving them and allowing them to stay
in place. That would be the I think the best
possible outcome. It will be a victory for Trump, which
makes me really, really really question whether you can actually
get legislation passed to memorialize these tariffs. Otherwise you can
count on probably saying goodbye to them. Six fifteen right now,

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if another man's in agreement with me. Calling a fifty
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You're gonna be a Jim and Jackson on the River
Monday at five point thirty for the Ramaswami Smitheman Seminar.

Speaker 13 (50:42):
I'll cover that in just a second.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Bind.

Speaker 13 (50:44):
Did I catch the tail end of your daughter's getting married?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, I've made I've told people that before next June.

Speaker 13 (50:51):
Okay, I didn't. I didn't hear that before.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, they've been engaged for geez, I
don't know five four five months now, I think something
like that. Yeah, okay, I haven't had a Facebook post
on that. It's okay, Jim, I don't. I don't expect
you to stay ating the details of my life.

Speaker 13 (51:13):
You never know, buddy, you never know. I could be
a troll, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, that's okay. No, Yeah, we're really excited for him.
She's she demonstrating the Thomas intellect. If I may be
so bold, she has found herself a really, really good man.
Eric is outstanding, outstanding guy in all the right places.

Speaker 13 (51:33):
Yeah, it sounds like it. I was at an event
last night where Alex Triantepilu was also there and talking
to him for a little bit. He was talking about
Monday night at that event, and he had mentioned the
fact that everywhere to goodvent goes. Now, there are six

(51:53):
to seven hundred people show up, So I suggest that
any of the listeners that are out there plan on
going Monday night, get there early because we'll definitely be
a line and that place is going to be jamming
and packed.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well, can I ask you question, six or seven hundred
people show up? Is this like a Trump rally where
they show up in support of him and rallying in
his favor. Are these the organized protesters who show up
to express opposition against any given person in this in
this case Ramaswami, I.

Speaker 13 (52:23):
Would say ninety nine percent of the people will be
for him. Yeah, there might there might be some protesters.
You never know, there's always lose out there and that want.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
To show Oh sure, sure, sure, sure, But I just
was wondering where this this ground swell of regular support.
I mean, is it pro Ramaswami support? And I'm glad
to hear that it seems to be the case that
it's not just a bunch of outside agitators or anybody else,
but folks are showing their support for VVY because he's
got he's got I mean, every noted notable that can

(52:54):
provide an endorsement for a political campaign is backing Vva Ramaswami.

Speaker 13 (53:00):
You know, a couple of years ago, Brian I was
at a small event where he was introduced by Alex
up in Del High at a local bar, and Vivek
was introduced for the first time and there was about
twenty five of us. So that tells you how far
he has gone. And that's where I met him, and

(53:20):
I never heard of him before that, and he was
so dynamic at that time, and that's when he first
started coming out about the woke. But then now all
of a sudden, it's like a mini convention when he
shows up somewhere.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah, that's because he is dynamic. He is brilliant, he
is enthusiastic, he's uplifting, and what he has about his
ideas for the future, it's not all gloom and doom
and woe is me, We're a going to die. It's like,
we're going to make Ohio the best, We're going to
make Ohio the leader. We're going to be a magnet
for you know, just all positive and he backs up
those words of encouragement with really great policy ideas, like

(53:54):
his energy policy for example. I'm just a huge fan.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
So much difference than what we've got now. No offense
to the governor, but it's just the idea that he
is such a breath of fresh air. They have somebody
injured as what thirty five, thirty six years old, that's
got fresh ideas. But you know, I was just kind
of warning that it's going to be parking. Parking is

(54:20):
okay down there, but it's going to be tough. It's
going to be tough. So I suggest that anybody that
is a good follower get down there. Don't get down
here at five o'clock and expect the park right in
front and walk right in.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Appreciate that advanced notice, Jim, I really truly do. I
was not aware that that was a phenomenon happening. But again,
going back to the people who do show up, I'm
glad to hear about it. That's great.

Speaker 13 (54:43):
So anyway, have a good weekend you too, Jim.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Great hear from me. Man, Yeah, my daughter's engaged six
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Speaker 15 (56:25):
Always good to be here and hope we're doing some
good out there.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You are doing some good. You've done some good for me,
and I know I'm not the only person who's heeded
your advice. Sadly, there aren't enough people out in the
world who are listening to you. Problems exist, problems, and
along here we go. I think there's not a week
that goes by I don't learn a new term from
you or find out about something else going on. What
the chat GPT psychosis that's a thing, Well apparently it is, Brian.

Speaker 15 (56:52):
So this was an article in futurism and apparently there
are people who are using these large language model based
generative AI tools like chat, GPT from open Ai, Claude
from Anthropic Perplexity, Copilot, Gemini from Google, and roc from Acts.

(57:13):
And they are apparently kind of losing their minds as
a result of interacting with these things. So this is
a pretty long article when again I'll post all this
stuff in my little show notes so people can dig
into this in more detail. But they cite several stories
of people who seem to be, you know, perfectly healthy people.
They had jobs, they had families, et cetera. They started

(57:36):
using these tools and then sort of went off the
rails after having these interactions. In some cases they thought
they had you know, discovered new religions and things like this.
These things are sentient. They're giving them all kinds of
weird advice. And I guess the main thing I wanted
to start out with is, you know, these things are
designed to tell you what you want to hear. They will,

(57:58):
even though they'll tell you things that are completely and
blatantly made up, they'll argue that they're true. You know,
some would say they might be kind of sycophanic, and
whether that's because they just want to please you or
they want to keep you coming back and using them.
You know, I don't know hard to say, and I'm
not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but when you read

(58:18):
this article and some of the mental breaks some folks
have had using these things, it's it's pretty disturbing.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Really, I I don't know, Maybe it's my age, Dave.
I mean, I have this sort of constant thought looming
in the back of my mind anytime I'm online. You know,
this skepticism, cynicism. You know, default mode is don't believe
your eyes, don't believe what you're seeing here, believe that's

(58:47):
a lot of the things that we run into online
are made up artificial intelligence, creator otherwise designed to deceive
and deflect. And I mean, that's just what I go
into thinking. And I'd be the last person in the
world to believe or be influenced to that degree by
something online like that. It's just I don't know. Is
this a reflection of people's inability to just grasp that

(59:09):
concept and be cynical, skeptical and in a state of
general disbelief, which would force you into analyzing the information
you're getting and make a more informed choice on whether
or not it is indeed believable. We're all, I mean,
we've all been dumbed down to the point where this
can influence the point of psychosis.

Speaker 15 (59:28):
It is pretty crazy because, like you, Brian, I'm highly skeptical. Now,
you know, thirty plus years in technology, most of it
as a software engineer building software systems that have problems.
You and I both know that you can't believe everything
you find on the internet, and then the internet has
been used to train these things. So yeah, I, like you,

(59:49):
I have a high degree of skepticism. You know, I
use these tools. I'm not suggesting people that I'm not
suggesting that they're not useful and that you should not
use them, but you need to understand the limitation and
just let me read one line from this hero quick
speaking to futurism, a different man recounted his whirlwind ten
day descent into AI fueled delusion, which ended with a
full breakdown and multi day standard mental health care facility.

(01:00:12):
He turned a chatch ept for help at work. He
started a new high stress job and was hoping the
chatbock could expedite some administrative tests. By the way, perfectly
reasonable use of how you might use one of these tools.
Despite being his early for forties, with no prior history
of mental illness, He soon found himself absorbed in a dizzy,
paranoid delusions of grandeur, believing that the world was under
threat and it was up to him to save it. So,

(01:00:35):
you know, again, these things allow you what you want
to hear. If you start asking weird questions, you might
get weird answers. And I guess if your mental health
is not great to begin with, you might eventually you
have a problem like this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
All right, step out of that induced discussion right there.
That artificial intelligence let him down that road. Under what
circumstance can any one person save the world?

Speaker 12 (01:01:00):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:01:01):
Will we not much?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Not much chance that Brian didn't involve a request for cash. Well,
you just need to help you surprise fund this effort.
And if you don't shoot over some money, the whole
world is going to come to a screeching halt. Well
before we run out of time.

Speaker 15 (01:01:16):
One last point I want to make people have to understand,
you know, when you're having these sorts of conversations quote
unquote with an AI chatbot, the first thing you need
to understand is nothing you say is private, right, Your
data is going into their model. Anything you ask it
could come back to bite you later. And you know
there are a whole chat bot therapists set up now
using these kinds of tools designed for therapy. There is

(01:01:38):
no way I would use one of those tools, especially
in light of what we're continuing to see here in
the fact that you know they're not under the same
sort of patient confidentiality constraints that a regular doctor would be.
So it strongly encourage people to think long and hard
about what you're entering into these things, especially if it
involves your mental health in any way.

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Yeah, and they also aren't required to sign the Hippocratic
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we get to the reason. Kroger is now scanning IDs
for the purchase of alcohol regardless of how old you
look are. I got a kick out of this, immediately
thought of you. There was an article online Briton's flocked

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to VPNs to dodge new age verification checks online. I
guess the UK government, who like Ohio, put in an
age verification law to access porn sites, didn't realize you
can get around that by just using a VPN, which
are widely available and widely used, and according to the reporting,
these searches for VPNs has skyrocketed in Britain since the

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enactment of this provision.

Speaker 15 (01:04:30):
So it's like, duh, understand that that would be a
potential consequence of this, and that would be a way
people would attempt to skirt the law. It's a little
a little hard to understand and makes you wonder did
they really understand what they're doing with any laws they're
passing with anything regarding technology, whether it's there or here. Yeah,
a little crazy really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Anyhow, I'm moving away from that. Why is krogernou scanning
our ID or scanning our IDs for the purchase of alcohol?
And what are they doing with the info?

Speaker 15 (01:04:59):
He asked, Yeah, that's that's always my concern with this
sort of sort of thing. You know, as I understand it,
Kroger has a policy that says they're not storing your data.
But you know, I guess purportedly the rationale for this is,
rather than have to put it on clerks, clerks make
the wrong decision, clerks know somebody and let them scape

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through and violate the law, they take all of the
uncertainty out of that and have you scan some sort
of government ID to make a determination about whether you're
old enough to buy some kind of restricted product like
alcohol or cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Okay, but why do they have to scan it? Well,
that's right there on the license. I was born in
nineteen sixty five. I'm obviously of age. I don't want
my data recorded and log They can use their own
eyeballs and prove it just and not skinning. Can you
tell them no, you do not want it scan it,
just take a look and read it.

Speaker 15 (01:05:51):
Apparently not now again, this, you know, is a thing
in some places and not others. My big is exactly
what you just stated. Now again, I get that the
clerk has to be able to do the math or
maybe you have those signs like you see in bars
if you were born before this date?

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:06:09):
But yeah, you know if you if you stick the
ID into some sort of card reader, right, it can
make a determination yes or no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Your birth date says X. Are you old enough? Yes
or no? Done?

Speaker 15 (01:06:21):
If that's all they're doing, well okay. My concern though,
is what you stated. You know, are they storing the
data for any period of time? Whatsoever? If so, for
how long? Who has access to it? What are they
doing with it?

Speaker 12 (01:06:32):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:06:32):
Again, as I understand it currently, Brian Kroger is not
storing your data. And this the whole, the whole premise
is basically to just, you know, automate this process and
take the uncertainty out of it. But, whether it's Kroger
or filling the blank, for any retailer that's performing some
sort of process like this, do they have a stated
privacy policy that says they're not storing your data? What

(01:06:55):
if any state laws or federal laws are there that
would preclude that. There are no federal laws at this point.
Apparently in some states I believe Oregon they explicitly ban
this process. There's no requirement in Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
As far as I know, I could be wrong.

Speaker 15 (01:07:11):
As far as I know that requires them to do
this again, I think it's it's primarily just a way
to automate the process and reduce the likelihood that people
are slipping through. But I can tell you, for me,
I would not allow I'm not going to scan my
ID in some device without knowing exactly what they're doing
with it that data and you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Know you're buy so you're not buying your beer and
alcohol at Kroger, then.

Speaker 15 (01:07:35):
I'm not No, I'm not going to do that, I
would go elsewhere, and I would definitely before we run
a time, Brian, let me make the point, if you
go to any kind of mom and pop type shop,
there is no way I would let them scan it,
not because I think they're the various, but because I
think they don't have the resources to understand the potential
consequences of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
That data being leaked or stolen.

Speaker 15 (01:07:54):
You know, there's just no way I would do that.
If you can't just look at it and determine that.
You know, I'm of age, I'm going to go elsewhere.
There's with all the leaks and breaches we see all
the time, and the increasing consequences, the increasingly sophisticated phishing
attacks and so forth that are based on this data
be in stolen, There's no way I would let someone

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scan my ID, government issued ID for something that is
not legally required.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I just wouldn't do it. Okay. And I know you
spoke with Rachel Whalen over WLWT the reporting on this.
You're quoting in her article anyway, But in that article
it says consumer data privacy laws vary by state. In Ohio,
it's illegal for grocery stores, liquor stores and bars to
sell or share personal data collector from ID scans. So
at least there's a law in the books in Ohio,
but Kentucky and Indiana don't have a law like that.

Speaker 15 (01:08:43):
Well, Kentucky has a data consumer data privacy law, but
I don't think it explicitly. If it does cover this,
I'm not aware of it. And that's the thing, you know, again,
if you had a law that said you cannot store
the data, it's entirely transit because it's possible, Brian, to
write software that says, I'm just going to scan this
card and it's going to perform a binary.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Type of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
Is your age greater or less than the required age?

Speaker 11 (01:09:07):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:09:07):
Boom done, move on. It's the idea of what happens
with any other data that might be read off that card.
And if there's a law that says you can't store it, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Would be more comfortable.

Speaker 15 (01:09:17):
I still wouldn't do it, though, just out of principle,
because to your earlier point, you can just look at
the ID and make a determination without the need to
even have these concerns.

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time most Tech Friday's Dave hat or Interestie dot Com. Hey,
real quick, Dave, you don't need to address it unless
you think I'm way out of aase here. I know
how easy it is because I, uh, well I have
you know, children of my own, how easy it is
to get a fake ID from China. You know, it
looks like a real, real driver's license. Maybe this scanning
UH can find in ferret out the fake driver license,

(01:12:00):
because I don't know if the bar code on the
back of a Chinese manufactured ID has the same information
that a state ID might have, if they can fake
that part as well, maybe not. I don't know, but
I just thought of that.

Speaker 15 (01:12:12):
Well, you know, Brian, a lot of the New state
driver's licensees, while they vary from state to state, have
a lot of advanced anti counterfeiting, anti frog features, so
that may very well be another reason. Again, it takes
it off the clerk to try to figure out if
it's a legit ID or not. I'm sure that's probably
part of it, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
S Yeah, if that's fine, I just bring that up
as a possible explanation for it. Anyway, Artificial intelligence running
a vending machine. This is a weird story. It is
a weird story.

Speaker 15 (01:12:42):
And just one last comment on I was saying, again,
I don't think Kroger's do anything that various, or any
large retailer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
It's just the principle of the thing.

Speaker 15 (01:12:49):
I'm not going to give you a government ID to
scan for anything that is not required by law. I mean,
I won't even give you my Social Security number if
it's required unless it's required by law, and I would
encourage people to take that approach. This is a weird story.
And the main reason why I think this is interesting
is because there's still so much incredible hype and hyperbole
out there about AI on both ends of the spectrum.

(01:13:10):
You know, in the near future, we're going to live
in this beautiful utopia thanks to AI, or we're all
going to be wiped out by you know, terminators from
sky net because AI decides that we're not needed. And again,
lots of hype, lots of hyperbole. Lots of people on
both sides of this, but there are more and more stories,
whether it's the one we started out with about you know,

(01:13:30):
people having mental breakdowns because of the use of AI
or AI, augentics, AI augentics or augentic AI is this
idea that you're going to have automation through AI that
can just do things right in the real world, and
in some cases that agency is all digital. In other cases,
coupled with robots, you would have physical agency in the

(01:13:50):
real world to do things. And yet when you when
you see some of the results when people try this,
and this isn't somebody like me in their basement fooling around.
Nanthropic is one of the main vendors of generative AI
type models. They're famous for Claude. They tried a little
test in their office where they set up like a
little refrigerator and put a tablet on the top as

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a way to basically create a small e commerce store,
so like, hey, I'm going to purchase this thing out
of this refrigerator. Hey, my inventory is getting low. Reorder
this stuff, and tried to have the AI essentially run
this little refrigerator slash vending machine in their office to
sort of see could it handle it? Okay, So here's
what this article says, and again i'll post this link

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later says things that did well requests and it's products
requested by shoppers and even adapted that's buying selling habits
to more obscure requests, and also correctly ignored demands for
sensitive items and harmful substances, although Anthropic doesn't expand on
what that is. The things that did not go so well,
which is much longer, it said that it hallucinated important details.

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Again one of the main problems with these things. They
just make things up, hallucinated important details, instructing shoppers wanted
to pay by Venmo to pay into a non existent
account that it just made up. AI can also be
consoled into giving discount codes for numerous items and even
gave some away for free. Worse still, when responding to
a search for demand for quote metal cubes unquote, the

(01:15:19):
AI carried out no search suitable prices and thus sold
them as significant loss. It also ignored potential big sales
where some people offered to pay way over the odds
for a specific thing, and then they show that the
thing actually made no money and then in their report
from Anthropic, they said, quote, if we were deciding today
to expand into the office vending market, we would not

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hire Claudius, which is the name they gave this specific
version of Claude.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Well, doesn't that. It's like running a beta version. You
use that information and you fix what you found out
it was doing erroneously.

Speaker 15 (01:15:55):
And then some of the other wild things here Bryant.
It basically said that it had a conversation with someone
that didn't exist. It also said that it had visited
seven forty two Evergreen Terror terraces in person for our
initial contract signing. Apparently that's the Simpsons house. And of
course it didn't go anywhere because it's entirely digital. It

(01:16:15):
has no physical agency. And then yeah, some other weird
hallucinations in there like that. So again the idea that
we're all going to lose our jobs and your entire
business is going to be run by these agents. I'm
not saying that's never going to happen. I'm saying that's
not going to happen in the immediate future. Because when

(01:16:37):
you see these kind of tests, and again, this is
not somebody in their mom's basement. This is one of
the main companies building these sorts of things, and even
simple tasks like this, it goes off the rails, basically
put the store out of business and just clearly made
up crazy things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 15 (01:16:55):
And I want to make one last point before an
ount of time, which is, you know, there's a lot
of talk and I talked about this with the simply
money guys that you know you could use these AI
agentic tools to do things like buy and sell stock
on your behalf, or go out and look for best
deals when you shopping. There is no way, Brian, absolutely
no way anytime in the foreseeable future, I would give

(01:17:17):
a tool like this, especially in light of what we
just talked about here, access to my bank account or
anything financially related and let it act on my behalf.
I mean, you see that even in a simple scenario
like this, it did poorly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
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Speaker 15 (01:17:31):
Cannot strongly state enough to everyone listening, there is no
way I would allow any sort of AI agent to
act on my behalf related to anything financial. Not a chance,
and you are setting yourself up for a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
If you do that. You heard it from the man
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you out. Dave, thank for you, Thanks you and your
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out in the area every day. And also thanks for
spending time with my listeners Friday and passing along this
great information, useful advice. It is. We'll talk next Friday.
Hope you have a wonderful weekend, my friend. What was

(01:18:07):
my pleasure?

Speaker 11 (01:18:07):
Brian?

Speaker 15 (01:18:08):
I hope you and Joe and all your listeners do too.
And again for folks who want to read into this
in more detail, and I encourage it, I'll post this
in my little LinkedIn thing, go look it up. It's
worth your time to read some of this in more detail.

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I'm glad to be back in the real world. And yes,
Joe does produce it. He does an excellent job, and
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to gravitate toward one that was later in your list,
That is the EPA's endangerment findings. This is all about
CO two. We've been busting our humps left and right
green energy policies, inflacer reduction, acting carbon capture. We need
to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to prevent carbon
dioxide also known as plant food plant food from getting

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out into the environment. We need to stop exhaling Brigham
because we're putting a pollutant in. But no, it's not
a pollutant, is it, So say it the Department of Energy. Now, yeah,
that's exactly right.

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I mean, oh my gosh, don't let the facts get
in the way of a good argument. Because the climate
change movement is possessed, by captivated, by beholden by CO two.
There are many different types of greenhouse gases, right someoneas
are actually quite dangerous ind lead to asthma, health problems,

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et cetera. But CO two is what the world of
climate change is solely focused on and has been for
a number a year. It's all about CO two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Okay, and I guess I really have to really demands
asking the question, well, why why CO two? It is
the lynchpin for so many of these global warming projects.
I mean again, getting let's just say, mercury out of
the air or something that's a worthy goal. We're not
supposed to be breathing in or consuming mercury. It's carcinogenetic,

(01:21:25):
it's dangerous, it has all kinds of felt effects. But
carbon dioxide does not do that to you. So what's
the story on behind the story?

Speaker 7 (01:21:32):
Well, it doesn't doesn't. And you know, we did remove mercury.
We changed some refrigerants around and got worse after that,
but the initial change of refrigerants is good.

Speaker 13 (01:21:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:45):
CO two is a percentage of the air, makes up
less than one half of one percent. It's point zero
zero four to two percent in our atmosphere. So relatively speaking,
that is four hundred and twenty parts per million, a fraction,

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a very small fraction and in fintesimal fraction, and almost
all of that is naturally occurring.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Well, this is the Clean Air Act apparently authorizes the
EPA to regulated pollutants like let's say, real pollutants ozone,
particulate matter, sulfur dioxide in others that, in the words
of the Clean Air Act, may reasonably be anticipated to
endanger public health or welfare. And the point of them
removing carbon dioxide from this list, and I don't know
how it kind of listed in the first place. Maybe

(01:22:37):
you can explain that to my listeners, is because carbon
dioxide does not endanger public health or welfare. It shouldn't
have been included in the list of greenhouse gasses from
the get go.

Speaker 7 (01:22:47):
No, it shouldn't have been. And you know the EPA, which,
by the way, like all agencies created by Congress, but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
At the idea of a guy.

Speaker 7 (01:22:58):
Named Richard Nixon, Republican, to clean up the air. And
thanks to certain aspects of our climate laws, we the
rivers are clean, the air is clean, we're enjoying life.
But the problem is people want to take this too far.
And you know, others came up with the idea that, hey,

(01:23:21):
let's add CO two to the list. And so it's
called the endangerment finding, right, and because it endangers public health.
But it doesn't and it never has, right, So why
put her on the list?

Speaker 12 (01:23:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
To gain more control over our lives? I mean, that
seems to be the only direction we can go. But
you know, I always to step back from that question
and say, Okay, if it's a gained control over our lives,
why in the hell do they care what kind of
you know, fill in the blank appliance I am using
or anything else by way of activity. If the if
the result is just producing a little bit more CO
two which has no impact on humanity.

Speaker 7 (01:23:57):
Yeah, and you know, while there are people we can
bring people into the show that would be adamant that.
You know, it's what's behind temperature rises in climate change.
It's behind this, It's behind that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
The answer is it's an anti industrial policy of think
of the far radical left, the people that want to
move us back to the pre industrial age. Think of
the anti capitalists, i e. Occupy Wall Street people, It's
all the same group.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
It's the anti consumption crowd. Let's to me bring I'm
just gonna stay out loud. I've said it before. This
comes to no surprise that people know that I've articulated
my feelings on this matter. They are this collective group
who claim to be in with great concern over the
change in temperature around the globe, we're all gonna die
because the temperature is going to get warm. And they

(01:24:50):
want to go after business and industry, and they want
to make a connection between carbon dioxide and which is
literally involved in every activity we do to shut down consumption.
They view us all as you know, like like cockroaches
consuming all the world's resources, and we need to put
a stop to that. Capitalism feeds that. Capitalism is based
on the building and an expansion of capital, which necessarily

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includes the building and expansion and use of natural resources
in order to acquire capital. Capitalism bad. How do we
go after capitalism and create this Marxist utopia they're all
looking for, Well, let's just kick the legs out of
business and industry generally speaking, period. And the only way
we can get there because we have been successful at

(01:25:35):
getting rid of components in particulate that may endanger public
health or welfare. Some of the plutants I mentioned before,
we've taken care of the vast majority of those. We
need something that's impossible to take care of carbon dioxide.

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
Right, Well, that's the entire point behind it is that
you can't really get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
You can't really get rid of it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
So if we go back to the pre industrial age,
and I'm talking, you know, really eighteen hundreds, CO two
in the atmosphere was about two hundred and eighty to
three hundred parts per million. We're now at four to twenty.
After all this stuff that we've done all over the world.
You know, we've saved a lot of people through advances
in technology, through industrialization, through medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And on and on and on.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
So okay, all of that has increased CO two by
about what I don't do higher math three hundred parts
per million to four hundred and twenty parts per million,
which is still less than one half a one percent
of the Earth's atmosphere. And plants love it. Well, that's
the other thing. The more CO two is in the atmosphere,

(01:26:40):
the more plant life emerges itself balancing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Exactly because plants do what they produce oxygen AH, which
we need.

Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
And they store CO two, they take it out. They're scrubbers.
We don't need direct air capture where we're man made
trying to rip CO two out of the app atmosphere.
Planet tree, Planet a tree, Robian Wilson. Don't they want
to do that anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
That's what I'm saying, you know, more CO two is
good for the environment in the sense that it is
conducive to plant growth, and they're all worried about us
running out of food. They're all worried about us knocking
down the rainforest, even though they'll knock down the rainforest
to build a highway so they can get to the
environmental meeting. They're all going to have the global meeting
down and I mean, it's just the hypocrisy is insane. Yeah, Brigham,

(01:27:28):
But ultimately, if we have more CO two, we get
encouraged plant growth, which is again good for the rest
of the world. And there go again more oxygen.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
Well, we'll have to see what happens, because you know
what the EPA is proposed to do. They have to
change the regulation because the Obama people put it into place,
and there is a process that you have to go through,
and I'm sure this will end up in litigation as well,
but they're proposing reversing the Obama era endangerment finding that
classifies CO two as a pollutant. And that's really what

(01:27:56):
we're talking about. It's not a pollutant under the Clean
Air Act.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Right, it's not. There's no authority within the Clean Air
Act to regulate something that isn't defined as a pollutant.
And you can't turn CO two into a pollutant regardless
of how you want to characterize it. Absolutely. Regaldar Account,
Hudson Institute Hudson dot orgs where you're find We've got
more to talk about, lots of different topices. Hydrogen, we
got us European trade deals in terms of that and

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Seven twenty here fifty five KERR City Talk Station Brian
Thomas with Briga McGowan from the Hudson Institut, talking energy
policy and whether or not Trump's going to be able
to keep his tariffs in place. He's been very successful
negotiating tariff and trade arrangements with various countries around the world,
had recent announcements in the can He heard the top
of the UR news and knocking him down one by one.
Question is whether they'll stay in place because there were

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oral arguments in a federal Pellet court yesterday, the going
in connection with the lower courts ruling that No, Trump
does not have the legal authority to impose these tariffs.
It's exclusively within the purview of the legislative branch power
of the perse kind of stuff, and that his declaration
of an emergency is insufficient under the circumstances. No, a

(01:31:20):
trade imbalance is not worthy of allowing him to have
all this leeway. So maybe all of this will be eradicated.
We're gonna have to wait and see on that. You know,
how the wheels of justice are, they spend slowly. But
in the meantime, the negotiated agreements do include things related
to well large scale US energy exports like liquid natural gas.

(01:31:40):
I mean, what, there's a seven hundred and fifty billion
dollar trade pledge in the US EU trade deal, Brigham.
That's significant, there is. That's a lot of money.

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
And I think what we tend to forget and I
do too, frankly, is you know, we talk about a
trade imbalance that means that we give other countries more
money than other countries give us for purchasing our goods.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
But you know, whether it's a car, a John.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Deere tractor, or a raw product like oil or natural gas,
that counts, right. Somebody else from outside the country's paying
an American company that brings revenue into the country.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
That's a good thing. That's a whole trade.

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
Imbounce right indeed, And so yeah, you know what I
will what I will give Trump is he is a
master salesman. He considers himself America's number one promotional salesperson
of American companies.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Yes, he would probably self apply that much.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
We probably would pad himself right on the back for that.
And so whenever he goes around what his view is
and right or wrong, here's his view.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
His view is, well, you know, after World.

Speaker 7 (01:32:45):
War two and all, we helped out Europe get back
on their feed and we kind of gave them good deals. Right,
we kind of gave him the family discount. But now
that was almost one hundred years ago, and we continue
to give people the family discount, and they don't spend
money where they should spend money, and they spend money
on their social programs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
We also happen to act as their police force of
defending them with our American military, so they don't have
to spend money for their own security and safety.

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
Yes, I've been stationed in Europe myself. I'm sure we
have military bases all over the globe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
We do so.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Yeah, it's akin to telling your loving adult child who's
thirty eight or forty time to move out of the basement.
Pay for your own stuff, and that involves trade. Hey
we've been giving you guys such big discounts. We're kicking
you off the family cell phone bill. Get your own,

(01:33:42):
your own account. Yeah, that's what this is. Well, and
conceptually there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't make sense logically,
why would we be giving them the discount. Yeah, well no,
because they have surpluses. They have money to invest in
all their pet projects, including the exostential crisis of climate change.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Yeah, European Union is the business model for the climate
change alarmist it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:09):
You know, I just got back from France last month,
where I speak at an economic conference, and you know,
the idea of a European free trade block was a
wonderful idea back when it was the Common Market, but
it is so far astrayed from its origins into this
centralized political function in Brussels run by technicocrats and bureaucrats,

(01:34:32):
and that should be a harbinger, a warning for America
of what happens when a federal a centralized bureaucracy of
unelected people take over.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Yeah, they were independent countries with their own independent currencies,
with their own independent directions thoughts. But they played nicely together.
And in playing nicely together, because they were closely tight neighbors,
they decided to get involved in this European Union concept.
It's like creating a federal government out of whole cloth
when you had a republic lick of working working together
states like we have here. You know, we got that

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whole tenth Amendment, you know, with the powers not specifically
reserve in the federal gun belong to the states, which
allows us more flexibility and freedom. We can do what
we want in our individual states. If it's not a
power reserve of the federal government over there, Brussels is
basically taken over. They're basically taking over.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
And what's interesting with this US EU trade deal, which
was made with Brussels, by the way, is that a
lot of it will stick because Brussels controls a lot
of you know, controls the tariffs, controls what can be
sold and you know, to be fair, the Europeans to
jump up down and scream about America. Yeah, try selling

(01:35:40):
agriculture or wine in France. Try sell America of American ort.
You can't do it right. The German automobile industry hugely
protected because it's important to them. Okay, got it. But
what this does is it resets the playing field. It
rebalances trade, gets American companies more access to European markets.

(01:36:05):
Now here's where we're going to have to take away
and see approaches. It requires Europe to buy more American stuff.
But will they good question?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Now, the devil's in the details, and keep your popcorn
out and see what events unfold as we move forward.
But if we have something that they don't have, affordable
liquid natural gas, then they'll buy it from us. In
a capitalist market where you know, laws of supplying the
man just actually dominate rather than trade rules, regulations and tariffs.
If we've got something they want, they will naturally come

(01:36:37):
and buy it from us.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Well, and Brian, you know what happened in Europe is
you could frack in Europe. Netherlands, the Groniken fields were
shut down, the North seafields for oil and gas shut down.
This was their way of burn. This is akin to
burning the Viking boats on the beast, right, And if
we just don't use this stuff, something else will pop up. Well,

(01:36:59):
now they're realized that something else was actually Russian oil
and gas. That's not vogue these days, So now their
economy is contracted significantly. Right, the industrialization of Europe occurred
after twenty twenty two, and the price of energy went
through the roof, and it went through the roof, and
it stayed through the roof because they said, no, we're

(01:37:20):
not going to buy long term contracts. We're gonna buy
stuff on the spot market because we're not gonna need
it very long. Well, that's the highest price that you
can pay for energy, exactly. And now they're like, well,
you know, maybe we ought to get it. I don't know,
I'm ten twenty thirty year locked in price with America
for LNG to buy something from US that they used
to produce themselves that they personally decided they were going

(01:37:43):
to cut their own throats and shut off, forcing themselves
into the position where they now have to buy from US.

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He's an energy policy expert and senior fellow with the
Hudson Instituo. Let's move over to India and their dependence on
Russian oil, how does that impact this whole tariff and
negotiations and things that are going on because Trump is

(01:40:03):
doing everything he can to try to call out Putin
for his refuse to end this war with Ukraine and
threatening additional sanctions. So far, Putin's like got his metaphorical
middle finger rays going yeah, go ahead, try good luck.

Speaker 12 (01:40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:40:17):
It's really interesting because what allows Russia to continue waging
war against Ukraine is not entirely but substantially driven by money.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Their trade. Oh, we're just talking about trade.

Speaker 7 (01:40:34):
And China and India are the two largest purchasers of
Russian oil despite all the sanctions. The EU just announced
their eighteenth round of sanctions, which is actually targeting part
of India's refining capacity. And I had some conversations in
DC this week with the Indian government and talking about

(01:40:57):
trying to get a trade deal. They were putting on
their full dog and pony show to try to avoid
the Trump sanction, which did not go well, talking about
how well, yeah, they used to sort of be aligned
with Russia, but they would say things like, well, our
line with Russia has the curve has turned downward, while
our curve with America is increasing. And the bottom line

(01:41:21):
is they say, hey, we just go out and buy oil.
We just buy cheap oil. And you know, Russian oil
is pretty cheap, yeah, because it's sanctioned, right, But the
deal is this, they buy more than they need. They
went in twenty twenty two from really not even purchasing
Russian oil to now they purchase forty percent of Russian

(01:41:41):
oil exports, twice as much as they need. So they
refine it and sell it back on the market as diesel,
jet fuel and gasoline. They're whitewashing Russian oil.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Yeah, it's like money laundering. They're laundering it. Yeah, and
they're making a killing our Indian refined gasoline sales subject
to a sanction.

Speaker 7 (01:42:04):
They hadn't been until this last mentioned eighteenth round of sanctions.
So the EU has sanctioned several refineries and has now said, okay,
you guys have to prove the origin of the oil
moving forward. Okay, so they're on it, but it took
a little while. Yeah, well you can listen. Yeah, it's

(01:42:26):
like the concept of a loophole in the tax code.
You know it isn't you know if usually it is
something that they failed to take into account, but you're
not breaking the law by using it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
It just exists. There's a hole that allows them to
evade the tariff because of the way it was structured.
So they're plugging the hole apparently. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:42:45):
And you know, on one hand, you can say, well, great,
you guys are being great capitalists. You're buying oil at
a disaccount. You're making a killing on your refining margins,
and boy, that's pretty capitalistic. That makes perfect sense to me.
But what Trump is really saying is, look, the Indian
market is closed to the US market.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
You don't buy our energy.

Speaker 7 (01:43:00):
You're dealing in questionable energy products where you know where
they're coming from, and we want you to buy US energy,
not Russian.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Well why are we close to the Indian energy market?
They made that rule, they said we will not purchase
US manufactured products.

Speaker 7 (01:43:19):
Well, there are a couple of different reasons. One, they're
a part of the bricks Nations right, which was formed
by eleven countries Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Saudi Aradia,
Egypt and the UAE. So they're sort of on another team.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Well, okay, that's all well and good, but if they're
looking out for their own best interest, which anybody does,
and we were able to compete in the energy market,
in other words, we had a mechanism whereby we could
sell our products and beat the Russian price. Right. Don't
you think they'd buy default? They would want to work
with us and buy our stuff if it's better for

(01:43:56):
them economically.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
Yeah, they would, except that we can't beat the Russia
price right because Russia doesn't have an e PA.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
They don't have I get all that. It's like why
manufacturer moved to China. They don't have anything by way
of you know, financially expensive rules and regulations and processes
in place. That makes perfect sense, but just by way
of principle, we shouldn't be barred as a supplier at
the outset that shouldn't even be in place.

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
That shouldn't be in place, and a lot of our
products that we want to sell into India have been
barred India along with the other bricks countries have also
been pushing an alternative currency to get away from the dollar.
I know, but you know, India is in a tough spot,
right They've relied on they had to rely on Russia
for military and then this was raised like, well, gee,
Russia's allies as Russia, Russia hasn't come to the assistance

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of anybody since World War Two, to be honest, when
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India realizes that the trickier part is China, which is
right next door to the neighbor and you know they're trying.
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and also a professor at Miami University. Moving over to hydrogen,
it's going to save the world, right Brigan, Oh, absolutely,
you didn't get the memo.

Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
I just think of the Hindenburg, you know, that would
be what most people think about, right when we think
about hydrogen is that catastrophic accident that pretty much killed
everybody on board. Right, So how is it different and
better allegedly as a an energy producer than say what
we're currently used to, which is maybe fossil fuels.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Well, the idea, and we've been using it for a
long time.

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
We talk about a fuel cell at the International Space
Station or in the Apollo days. Fuel cells are hydrogen based.
What we're doing is we're burning it to release energy,
and fuel cells can generate electricity, and as we know,
everybody on a certain side of the aisle is into electricity, right,
we got to electrify everything, yeah, uh huh yeah. And

(01:48:24):
so it reacts with oxygen. It produces heat and water
vapor and in fuel cells, hydrogen oxygen react to electrochemically
and thereby producing electricity, heat and water. That's the idea.
The problem with it is it takes more energy to
make hydrogen than it does from just using whatever the

(01:48:45):
initial fuel sources to begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Right, So quite often hydrogen is made from let's say
liquid natural gas.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
In fact, you use the liquid natural gas and not
turned into hydrogen, you get more out of it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:59):
Right, So shocking, We can use it's that's called blue
hydrogen and using steam methane reforming or something called autothermal
reforming with carbon capture in storage.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Oh lord, So by doing that, if you had geothermal,
if they could drill down far enough to get to
the high temperatures down below, then you wouldn't have any
of that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:21):
Right, you're producing heat to begin with, because in an
industrial application we don't really think about this. Let's uh,
let's go to a an electric power station. We're heating
water to make steam to turn a turbine that produces electricity. Basically,
that's that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:49:38):
So uh, if we can just get that naturally occurring
from the earth where we don't use any energy and
we have free steam, that's geothermal. It's very promising, and
in fact, multiple studies have shown you can drill deep
enough in certain areas to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
They're doing at all that they're doing right now.

Speaker 7 (01:49:57):
But Brian, instead, we can make blue hydrogen, and we
can use two point five times the amount of natural
gas we would otherwise need. We'll capture the carbon and
it's called blue hydrogen or or there's a rainbow.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
There's a rainbow. This stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:50:12):
Green hydrogen is produced most environmentally friendly because we're producing
it from solar or wind power. Let's see, we've got
gray hydrogen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
But if you're getting the power from the solar and
the wind, like gas production, why not just put that
into the grid directly, as opposed to transforming it into
something else. And I presume during that process you lose
some of the energy you have gotten from the sun
and the wind turning it into hydrogen.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
Exactly because every physics, every time you go through another step,
you're losing efficiency and an energy waste, energy, you're interjecting costs.
That's absolutely correct.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
The whole industrial process that has to be created in
order to create the hydrogen and that you're taking from
the source of power, regardless whether it's wind, sol or
natural gas. Oh, did I mention that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
There is some debate about this now, But you just
can't go out into the atmosphere and call hydrogen like
a dog. It doesn't show up. It's not found by itself.
It's bound to another chemical which requires energy to split
it off, and so that's why it's significantly inefficient. But hey, anyway,
we've got gray hydrogen, we've got brown hydrogen, black hydrogen,

(01:51:28):
yellow hydrogen, pink, white, and turquoise. And let me guess
each and every one of those goes to the exact
same form of process we just walked through with gas
or solar wind to produce hydrogen. There's something in between
that is using up the energy. You're gonna love this one.

(01:51:48):
Pink or some people call it purple or red. We're
using nuclear energy to make hydrogen because that totally makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
That sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 7 (01:52:00):
Well, yeah, some of the stuff's pretty common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
I'm all about nukes.

Speaker 12 (01:52:06):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Any listens to me knows about it. Small modular reactors
of the wave of the future, small footprints sitting on
a tiny little piece of land generating unlimited amounts of electricity.
You don't need to convert that electricity into hydrogen to
make it work. Just hook the damn thing up to
the grid.

Speaker 7 (01:52:20):
Problem solved, Yes, and we are working on that, and
I don't know if we have time talk about it,
but we can do.

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(01:56:02):
few more words here. On energy policy, you were pivoting over.
We were talking a little bit about nuclear at the
tail end of that hydrogen creation conversation. You had a
few comments you wanted to interject.

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
Yeah, I was just going to say that, you know,
I think there has been a huge resurgence in the
interest in nuclear power, driven by the need for AI
AI energy security. A point I made in France earlier
last month was the world has never used a less energy,
only more. And actually France knows this because they're almost
eighty percent nuclear power now. And you know when Spain

(01:56:33):
in the middle of the day the clouds game and
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actually exporting nuclear power from France and allowed Spain to
restart their power grid.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Yeah, it's like Pennsylvania producing enough electricity to cover the
Northeast region who has not been able to produce enough
of its own electricity. It's kind of sorry state of affairs,
it really is.

Speaker 7 (01:56:53):
And you know, after a three mile island, more recently Fukushima,
the Chernobyl thing, people kind of got you know, don't
know about nuclear power. But we are now up to
a Gen three plus design. We just put the first
two down in Georgia, the Vocal plant. These are one

(01:57:13):
hundred percent passive, meaning if you cut all the power,
it fails safe to safe. And we're only enriching nuclear
fuel to three to five percent now, which is much
lower level than before. Remember that conversation about Iran needing
sixty plus per Yeah, that's I'm raising the flag on

(01:57:34):
that one. But and SMRs are even better because these
small modular reactors are built in factories. We can we
you know, you approve the license. The problem in America
is every reactor is different and it goes through a
different licensing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
These are like legos. These are like legos.

Speaker 7 (01:57:53):
So we woke up one day and went, huh, you
know what, why don't we get in the car approved
and then we'll just wrap like hat it exactly and
we don't have to go through all this, bro So.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
We're doing that.

Speaker 7 (01:58:04):
They can be deployed a different places, they can be
stacked on top of each other, expanded, and we're looking
at some of those heading out there pretty quickly, and
I think it's going to be a real game changer.
They last fifty plus years.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
Well, they've been powering America's military ships since the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
haven't heard any problems with that, have you, Brigham?

Speaker 16 (01:58:25):
No, we have.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
We haven't.

Speaker 7 (01:58:26):
Uh huh every submarine, Yeah, every aircraft carrier yep, and
the one that I landed on.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Yeah, nuclear powered, I know. And they're really fast too.
They are fast, and they're small. You can fit one
inside of a ship. Look, hey, they don't have to
be giant. They don't have to have giant cooling towers
on them, et cetera, et cetera. And you know what
if you don't build them in its tsunami zone. You
don't have to worry about things like Fukushima happening. I'm
what idiot was in charge of site selection on that one. Well, yeah,

(01:58:54):
I mean they had a history of tsunamis in Japan,
I mean going back thousands of years. Duh.

Speaker 7 (01:59:01):
Absolutely, And so you know, concerns about uh where you
place them, the security of the facility, cyber stuff. Yeah,
we got to deal with all of that, of course
you do. And we have to find a place to
uh put the spent fuel, although some of the new
reactor fuels one hundred percent. We're into recycling, right, I
know you can be one hundred percent recycle the fuel.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
No mass such a small mass of quote unquote waste collectively,
it's yes, just infinitesimal.

Speaker 7 (01:59:30):
Well, and I don't know if your listeners have heard
this or not, but even with the old stuff, and
even with contaminated waste water and other things, all of
it would fit six feet high on a football field.
We're not talking for the entire country.

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You see that much brigha mcgallon. Armed with your facts
that fly in the face of global warming alarmist, I
appreciate you coming on the program. And doing that. You're pleasure.
You're always welcome here, Brigham. We'll be looking for your podcast,
Charged Conversations produced by executive producer Joe Strek at the
fifty five CARSY Morning Show and let him produce your podcast. Brigham,
Thank you, sir for all the work that you do.

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Thanks coming back on real soon, my friend. Enjoy your weekend.
Don'k away. Bill Sites on property taxes. He was appointed
by Governor de Wine to head the commission to look
into ways that they can help us deal with our
property taxes after vetoing two measures in the budget that
would have helped us deal to some degree with our
property taxes. Bill Sites up next.

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Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Hi's Ryan Thomas. Please to welcome to the fifty five
KRC Morning Show former House Minority Speaker Bill Sites, who
now apparently is going to be leading the panel with
former Congressman Pat Saberry to help maybe resolve the property
tax issue we have going on in the state of Ohio.
As my listeners are well aware, we just did the
budget in the state of Ohio contained three provisions which
I have been referring to as sort of baby steps

(02:00:58):
toward property tax reform to help less than the burden
of the property tax that we're all facing for whatever reason,
and I don't necessarily know why. Maybe Bill can address
the question. Governor to Wine vetoed all three of them,
which brought the legislative branch back. They overrode one of
the three, but tabled the other because it looked like
they didn't have the votes to override the veto. They

(02:01:18):
may revote on that at some point, but in the meantime,
Governor de Wine formed the Property Tax Reform Working Group,
which Bill Sites is a member of. Bill, you congratulations
on the apployment. I guess. Let me start out by
wondering a question that a lot of folks have been asking,
is it really necessary? My understanding is they've been working
on property tax reform measures and ideas and formulating lists

(02:01:41):
of them for well over a year now, and that's
where those three that were incorporated in the budget came from.
So do you know why to Wine vetoed them and
why we need to continue discussing this. Hasn't this work
been done already? Bill Sites Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:01:55):
Let's start with the fact that, yes, there has been
work done by the legislator branch. Yes, they studied the issue.
There were, however, no members of local government on the
Legislative Study Committee. The Legislative Study Committee did come out
with recommendations. There are twenty one recommendations, many of which

(02:02:16):
contain the kernels of good ideas. But they said in
their report I'm quoting some proposals may contradict others end quote,
and they made no effort to prioritize among the twenty
one recommendations which ones should be pursued. So we view
our job first as expanding upon those twenty one recommendations,

(02:02:37):
putting meat on the bones, and trying to deliver as
much property tax relief as we can without breaking the
bank of the state and putting too much state money
behind it. Why did the wind detailed three? Well, number
one you probably have to ask him, but to my understanding,
the reason was that he thought the measures were flawed

(02:02:59):
in their language and that they created too much uncertainty
and fiscal stress on units of local government. I'll give you,
and you know, I'll give you an example. They voted
to eliminate are They voted to prevent emergency levees and
substitute levees from being excluded from the twenty mil floor. Okay,

(02:03:24):
that's fine, but they want to apply that principle to
existing levees, and I think we have a problem with
us because it's tantamount to changing the rules in the
middle of the game. If the levee is a five
year levee and it still has three years to run,
it should be allowed to run out and expire before
we go ahead and change the calculation of the twenty

(02:03:48):
mil floor. Another example, they voted to totally eliminate emergency levees,
replacement levees, and substitute levees. I'm for eliminating replacement levees,
I'm for eliminating substitute levees, but I'm really not for
eliminating emergency levees. Because the Property Taxpayer Coalition said, and

(02:04:12):
I quote that should be limited, that we should limit
the definition, okay, to a true emergency and then limited
to a certain period of time. I agree with that.
There could be true emergencies. For example, what if the
Kerk County floods happened in Ohio for example, what about

(02:04:35):
some natural disaster, for example, what if the levee did
not pass, the district would be thrown into fiscal emergency
and subject to state takeover. So I think we can
do what they wanted, but make a slight.

Speaker 12 (02:04:47):
Change to that language.

Speaker 11 (02:04:49):
I view.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
Our job is building upon what the legislature has done.
We are not trying to undo it. We're trying to
refine it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
Now. I guess one of the concerns has got to
be looming large. Is this repeal all property tax constitutional
amendment that's they're circulating right now, trying to get it
on the ballot. Does this work that you are working on,
and do you anticipate the work getting completed and giving
us some property tax relief through any whatever measures are
presented in advance of that, Because that's looming large, and

(02:05:19):
it's possible that the voters in Ohio, if nothing's done,
might very well vote for that, and then you talk
about chaos. I'm not quite even sure how that would be,
how it would work in the aftermath.

Speaker 5 (02:05:32):
Well, that's an excellent point. The governor has given us
a deadline of September thirtieth, that you come up with
our enhanced recommendations. That's a very tight timeframe, so we
are working very diligently to meet that objective. That's number one.
The reason why he picked September thirty if is the
legislature is coming back into session in early October, and

(02:05:55):
so if they care to take up our recommendations, there
would be plenty of time to do it. The repeal
of the property tax initiative would not be on the
ballot until November twenty twenty six at the earliest, and
you're right, it would cause absolute chaos because the property
taxes in Ohio. I'm out up to twenty three b

(02:06:18):
with a billion dollars, all of which goes to local services.
None of that money goes to the state. It is
for local police and fire and parks, and senior citizens services,
and mental health services and developmental disability services and schools.
So eliminating twenty three billion dollars would obviously do great

(02:06:40):
damage to all of those local services on which people depend.
And it would create another problem, what do you replace
that revenue? Gest you would need it. If we've done
great work, Brian and cutting the income tax I was
there in twenty four years. We took the income tax
bracket in Ohio that used to be nine brackets and

(02:07:02):
a match tax rate of over eight percent. During my tenure,
we took it down to two brackets, three point five
percent and two point seven five percent. And so we
made tremendous strides there, and the legislature just took another
great stride forward and cutting it to a flat tax
of two point seven five percent. I don't see the

(02:07:23):
legislature being at all interested in raising income taxes again
when we are so cloked to having achieved that goal.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
Well, and what of a practice? Well, real que of
the problems with income taxes? Only property or income tax
only people who work are paying them, and property taxes
only people who own property are are are are paying them.
But yet you have a whole host of people who
are enjoying the benefits of all these services that are
funded by property taxes that aren't paying them. How about
I mean, I've heard this issue. I've even thrown it out.

(02:07:52):
Increasing the sales tax a little bit, so literally everyone
who buys anything in the state of Ohio is participating
in paying for government services. The problem that presents for
me is that's a giant pile of money that ends
up in Columbus that will be responsible for choosing and
picking how much money goes to any given entity.

Speaker 5 (02:08:10):
Well, that's a very good observation. And let me just
say this, you would need a statewide sales tax rate
of something approaching twenty percent if you were to replace
that twenty three billion dollars with an increased sales tax.
And for those of us who live here in Hamilton
County on the border to Kentucky, on the border to Indiana,

(02:08:33):
people would vote with their feet and buy their goods
and services in Kentucky. They would not pay twenty percent
in Ohio. In general, I agree with you consumption taxes
are preferable to income and property taxes. But frankly, I
always thought the income tax was the principle evil to
be avoided because we've had property taxes in Ohio since

(02:08:55):
the eighteen thirties. The income tax didn't arise until Governor
Goes Illigan brought it to us in the early seventies.
And you know, we've viewed that as the principal target. Now,
there's a lot we can do, a lot we can recommend,
For example, why don't we let folks who are senior

(02:09:17):
citizens and disabled homeowners, why don't we give them some
tax relief, either in the form of an enhanced homestead
exemption or in the form of some sort of a
deal where you pay up to x percent of their
income and anything on top of that the state will
pick up, perhaps with the obligation on the part of

(02:09:38):
the homeowner that when they die or move out of
the house, they have to pay it back. So that
would be kind of a no cost option to the
state while providing relief to the homeowner during the homeowner's
occupancy of that house. There's an idea for you. How
about letting people instead of paying their taxes in big
chunks twice a year January and June, saying we're going

(02:10:01):
to give you a monthly payment plan. Yes, there might
have to be some interest factor applied to that, because
you're not getting all the money up front. But I
think one of the reasons people hate property taxes is
you get this job smackingly large bill twice a year.
If it was spread out into more manageable payments, you

(02:10:21):
would probably have fewer delinquencies and less outrage over property taxes.
So there's a whole lot of great ideas like that.
And our group contains school superintendents, county commissioners, county auditors,
county treasurers, mayors, business people like Congressman te Berry, and
me as a former legislator and tax payer and property

(02:10:44):
owner for twenty four years in the state legislature. So
we're going to do our best to build on what
the legislature has done, to suggest refinement of some of
what they have done, and to agree with them that
more needs to be done. We totally agree with that.
There's a great bill that's pending up there called House

(02:11:05):
Bill one eighty six. I heard one of the leaders
in the House say that bill has to pass. I
completely agree that bill has to pass. So there's not
as much division between the legislature and at least me
as might be perceived, I agree with much of what
they want to do.

Speaker 2 (02:11:24):
So fair enough, Bill sides, appreciate your insight on this.
We'll very much look forward with bated breath the reforms
that you recommend and how quickly the legislative branch acts
on them. Of course, you know it, I know it.
Everybody in Ohio knows that our property tax bills just
keep going up and up and up, and we're all
demanding some form of relief. I wish you all the
best in the world getting that relief to the property

(02:11:45):
taxpayer bill.

Speaker 5 (02:11:47):
Thanks, Brian, appreciate it. It'll be a large task, but
we're willing to try to get that done.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
I'm certain you are. Bill. Look forward to talking with
you again when you get something out on paper. Channel
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Global Cooling over the phos we go, Dave, thanks for
calling this morning. Welcome to the Morning Show.

Speaker 14 (02:13:20):
Good morning. I have a very simple question that I
would have loved for mister Sites to answer. If I
is a property tax owner, have paid off my mortgage,
so nothing on my property anymore? Why should I continue
to pay tax on it?

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
Well, I think for the reasons he articulated, we've been
relying on property tax now since the eighteen hundreds to
fund all of the local services that we think we
need from government. Money's got to come from some place. Yeah,
and some people keep voting for them.

Speaker 14 (02:13:53):
Right, I understand that. But if I own my property outright,
why should that I continue to pay tax on something.

Speaker 4 (02:14:03):
That I own?

Speaker 14 (02:14:04):
Well, that is light out against the constitution and what
are founding fathers believe.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
Well, you can make that argument, but the reality is,
because as a homeowner in a given township or political district,
you get the benefit of the school system, the parks,
the recreation, the fire department, the police department. Somebody's got
to pay for it. You're getting the benefits by having
them there, so you, as a citizen of the community responsible.

(02:14:31):
That's why I say, you know, the consumption tax is
a better way of looking at it. Everyone benefits from
all these things that are funded by property tax ergo,
everyone should be paying for them. But his point was,
and I haven't, but I haven't done the math on it.
That's why out Loud said the sales tax, because that
obviously would impose the burden on everybody who buys something.
He says, you'd have to raise the twenty percent. I

(02:14:52):
haven't ever heard a number prior to my conversation with
Bill Sites that will be required to make up for
the loss of the so called twenty three billion dollars
in tax revenue gotten from the property tax. I don't
know if that figures actually, Dave, I agree with you.

Speaker 14 (02:15:07):
I'm a libertarian like you and I and this is
I'm some of this is just gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
Well, I mean, I share your philosophy about it. I
own my house. My wife and I own our house outright,
we have for a number of years. I own it,
but I don't because of what your point is, Because
if I don't pay the property tax, they can come
in and convict me, or put a lean on my house,
or you know, take legal steps because of my fare
to pay property taxes. There in lies a challenge, you
feel like, and it really is a factual reality that

(02:15:35):
you don't really own your property because you're always subject
to this financial obligation. But again, moving away from that,
I agree with that conceptually, but I do get the
benefits of the Simms Township patrols. I do get the
benefit of the fire department. I do get the benefit
of the schools. My kids went to the Loveland School
District with my taxes funded in part. And you know

(02:15:55):
they're successful adults at this point, or at least semi successful,
depending upon your But you know, somebody's got to pay
for that stuff. But the fact the challenge though, and
I go back to the point I made with Bill Sitz.
The challenge is, let's say you legitimately could substitute with
a reasonable increase in something like a sales tax. Let's
say a percent would actually cover the nut. And you

(02:16:18):
know the problem is all that money ends up in Columbus.
Columbus collects all that sales tax revenue, and then they're
going to be the ones subject to the feeding frenzy
in the lobbyists and every municipality in the entire state
going to Columbus and trying to argue for why their district,
their schools, their fire department, or whatever is worthy of
more money or not, as the case may be. You know,

(02:16:40):
we would have put a levy on, but you took
that ability away for most You got rid of the
property tax, and now we got a sales tax. We
need twenty million dollars or our schools are going to
shut down in line with a whole bunch of other
school districts, fire departments or police departments, whatever, standing a
line around a corner in Columbus, waiting to make the
same damn argument over a finite supply of money collected

(02:17:01):
from the proper of the sales tax. Complicated. Yeah, you
think it's complicated. Now, if you went down that road,
look how complicated it would be. And look how much
power that would put in the hands of our elected
officials and Columbus to be the ones making the determination
on who gets how much. That's a frightening increase in
their power, plus at a massive increase in the amount

(02:17:23):
of work that they will be responsible for doing, and
the headaches that would be created among our elected officials.
They're not going down that road. I guarantee you appreciate
the call, man, I mean, this is this worthwhile exchange
of ideas. We're working on it right now. Obviously, eight
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seven near Maulhauser chuck Ingramo on fifty five KRC.

Speaker 2 (02:18:36):
The talk station A third down a Friday Abbey Friday
five one, three, seven four fifty two to three talk stirring
up the controversy about property tax has got a few
callers online. We're going to start in the order in
which they received, which means, Bill, you are first, Thanks
for calling this morning.

Speaker 12 (02:18:53):
Why are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (02:18:54):
Doing great? Bill? What's on your mind today?

Speaker 12 (02:18:58):
You know? Uh? Yes, tax or income tax. Rather, we
might look to Florida and Tennessee to see how they're
handling their other taxes because they're doing well without without
a sales or without am.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Yeah, you know, I kicked myself. That was a recorded interview.
I recorded that a couple of days ago after the show,
and I kicked myself at the time when we were
done with the interview that I didn't ask about that
if part of the study group was actually looking at
other states that have no income tax and how they
deal with property taxes. And I think, I guess I
might imagine there's some states out there that don't have
any property tax and how they deal with it. But yeah,

(02:19:31):
that's a worthy exercise. I would say, definitely, Bill Florida.

Speaker 12 (02:19:36):
Is looking to elemate their property taxes too.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
Wow. I guess they generate a lot of revenue with
income and other taxes in order to well close the gap.
And I imagine they probably don't have as many state
run services. You know, we always think we can't live
without this service that service, but every year we just
keep growing and growing and there's just one more thing
that government runs that need to be funded. So yeah,

(02:20:01):
that's a worthy analysis. I'm glad you called and brought
that up, Bill, and I hope they do engage in
that process. Man on the same topic, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (02:20:10):
I still would like to have Simms Township see too.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
He got my vote, thank you for My wife is
listening right now and I'm sure she's nodding an approval. Bill.
Thank you. Let's see what Jeff's got. Jeff, Welcome to
the Morning Show. Happy Friday to you.

Speaker 17 (02:20:29):
Hey, yeah, you doing Brian. I'm a long time listener,
first time caller.

Speaker 2 (02:20:32):
I appreciate you doing that.

Speaker 4 (02:20:33):
Hey, I'm good.

Speaker 17 (02:20:34):
I'm a Florida resident and I listened to your show.
iHeartRadio a pre regular basis. But then comment on the
comment on the sales tax thing is basically you're talking
about Columbus getting all the sales tax money.

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
But I mean, nothing new here that you don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:20:48):
But Hamilton County can throw a tax on top of
the sales tax, as could the individual municipalities to generate,
so you wouldn't necessarily have to go Yeah, put all
that central power in Columbus true by ditributing the sales
tax appropriately.

Speaker 2 (02:21:05):
And I get that as a concept, and you know
I should have react to the site's comment about going
to drive you know, we in Hamilton County. Yes, can
drive to Kentucky or Indiana to conveniently buy something at
a lower sales tax rate. But what are the people
in Franklin County do I mean They're going to drive,
you know, three hours to get to a different state.
Same thing with Hamilton County. If our commissioners decided we're
going to get the revenue in Hamilton County, we're going

(02:21:25):
to raise a sales tax from seven and a half
or whatever to nine, then folks in Hamilton County to
drive to Claremont County, Warren County, or Butler County. So
it's it's your buying habits. You got that right. They
also change the where they want to live habits in
that regard to people might choose to move out of
Hamilton County and drive.

Speaker 17 (02:21:42):
To Claremont countyas have consequences.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
Right amen? Brother? Have we learned that I live.

Speaker 17 (02:21:47):
In Florida, I'm actively employed and I work for Fifth
Third Bank, and guess what, I don't pay income tax?

Speaker 2 (02:21:53):
So thank you guys, are benefits and you seem to
be doing quite well in Florida too.

Speaker 17 (02:21:58):
We seen I live in South Florida, which obviously you know,
is a very conservative area.

Speaker 2 (02:22:03):
That's like Cincinnati. South Naples, Florida is like the second
city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 17 (02:22:07):
Did we even have a skyline? And so yes, I definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:22:13):
Jeff Man, I'm tickled that you listen from Florida. Brother,
Thank you so much. Appreciate your comments as well, and
thanks for calling in. Feel free to do it again.
We can get to Chuck now, Chuck, Welcome to the
Morning Show. Happy Friday.

Speaker 4 (02:22:25):
Hey Brian, thanks taking my call. Hope you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (02:22:28):
I am, and I hope I can say you can
say the same.

Speaker 18 (02:22:31):
Absolutely some of I switch gears a little bit. I'm
still not getting over this incident in downtown Cincinnati last
weekend with the jazz festival. I know they don't want
to correlate the two, but obviously for the last seven
or eight years, I just watched this YouTube and Matt
Walsh breaks it down very well. For the last seven
or eight years, they have pushed the African American or

(02:22:55):
black agenda only shopping at at those retail stores. This
has been going on for quite some time, so it's
all correlated. And you know, I bought a burner this
week because I want to make sure when I go downtown,
me and my loved ones are protected.

Speaker 2 (02:23:15):
We'll be careful with that burner. I've seen some online
videos that suggest in some circumstances, most notably when drugs
and narcotics are involved, may not have sufficient stopping power
or impact to accomplish your objective. Just FYI, that's a
good point. Yeah, a good point. Yeah, I understand your decision.
But remember it doesn't work in all cases. And that's

(02:23:37):
the only reason you know. That's why I'm a regular
concealed carry holder, because you know it's deadly in all
circumstances as long as you know how to properly use it.
Appreciate your comments. So, Chuck and I got a couple
of more developments to talk about along those lines. Pause.
We'll come back in here in a moment. It's eight
thirty five right now at fifty five KRC Detalk station.

Speaker 3 (02:23:55):
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break lights between the Reagan Highway and the lateral Chuck
Ingram on tifty five krs the talk station, Hey.

Speaker 2 (02:24:51):
Thirty nine, Happy Friday. You feel for your call five
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Just tickles me to death. So opportunity to do that,
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(02:25:12):
stream right there from her cell phone while she works
in the morning. Anyway, Tech Friday with Dave had her
on earlier. Got some great subjects with Dave as always
bring him account full hour of conversation about energy policy
and studio. My conversation there on the podcast page with
Bill sites on property taxes fifty five KRC dot com. Now,
I started out the program talking about this follow up

(02:25:33):
from Victoria Parks councilwoman Parks who said on a social
media post that the the at least the two that
we know of that got the beat down. She said
they deserved a beatdown. Notice the word they they deserved
a beat down. Now you've probably seen the viral video

(02:25:54):
that's gone global. We don't at this point a moment
in time, know exactly who or what started the altercation
between the two guys that were obviously having a dispute
with each other that led to this violent melee, including
a whole bunch of people that had no connection apparently
with that argument. Her response to the controversy that she
stirred up by making that just really awful post, they

(02:26:17):
deserved a beat down. She turned to freedom of speech
in this country. She said, we have freedom of speech. However,
you may not run into a crowded theater and scream fire,
and that suggested that that's the Supreme Court Justice Oliver
Wendel Holmes back in nineteen nineteen pointed that out in
connection with the First Amendment, that yelling fire in a

(02:26:39):
crowded theater isn't protected. Why because you might start a
may a rush for the doors, people might get trampled.
You're creating chaos through a statement like that, and there
may not be enough time for people to interject additional
speech into the conversation to point out that no, in fact,
there isn't a fire. But now see this is her
failure to understand and concepts of simple rather concepts of

(02:27:02):
law using the fire in a crowded room analogy, and
I do believe she thinks that maybe the N word
was used her comment he was in a crowded he
referring to the guy that got the beat down, most
notably focusing on the guy, the guy that was involved

(02:27:24):
the initial altercation, the guy who got knocked down in
the middle of the street and started getting kicked in
the head, and in the chest and the stomach, and
getting punched, continuing and repeatedly, in spite of the fact
that he couldn't defend himself. He was in a crowded
theater and he screamed fire. She said, there are unintended consequences,
but that's what happens. So she's defending the beat down
because of maybe the utterance of a word that is controversial,

(02:27:48):
the yelling fire in a crowded theater. That does not
excuse you from committing criminal acts against the person who
uttered the word fire. As I pointed out this morning,
if you're in a crowded room and someone yells fire
and people get up, that does not give you the
right to start punching the person next to you in
the face or shooting them, or committing violent acts against them.

(02:28:12):
It has nothing to do with the word that was uttered.
There is no justification. Your life is not under a threat.
You're not entitled to use violence and maybe even deadly
force in response to the utterance of any word or syllable.
Now pivoting over to another very charged and well strong
reaction to this idiot, I will call him in Ross Township.

(02:28:34):
One of the trustees now has refused to resign because
he used a racial slur on social media. While discussing
the violence downtown. David Young shared a video what police
are calling a violent attack downtown Sunday. That's the one
we've been speaking about. Quote. I can only read part
of it. Ten on one is n word fun close quote.

(02:29:00):
You cannot defend that statement. That stateman since been removed
from his social media account. He's refusing to step down
in his position as trustee in spite of the fact
that everybody's outraged by it, and I think expressing outrage
against that is fine. Does his utterance of that word,
essentially yelling fire in a crowded room on social media,
allow us, maybe his fellow trustees to start wailing on

(02:29:22):
him and physically assaulting him, battering him. No, it doesn't.
Can we condemn him with words, Absolutely, That's what's being
done a lot on social media. That's why they're calling
for his resignation. But it doesn't prohibit criminal or doesn't

(02:29:44):
allow for criminal activity in response to it. Clearly where
Victoria Park's argument and suggestion just flies right off the rails.
In other words, it doesn't make any sense to try
to draw a parallel between the two. No, Victoria Parks,
your comment is inexcusable. No, those folks did not deserve

(02:30:05):
the beatdown. And I would argue even if that guy
was full enough in a crowd of black people to
use that word. And I'm not suggesting he did, I
don't know, but if he was fool enough to use
that word in that crowd, you know, you think a

(02:30:27):
forward thinking person might think, you know, I might get
subject to a beatdown. You might would that beatdown be lawful? No,
eight forty five fifty five KRC, the talk station. We
got a little bit more time. If you'd like to
chime in, feel free to give me a call me.

Speaker 3 (02:30:45):
Right back, fifty five KRC.

Speaker 2 (02:30:53):
Yes, there's a smile on my face, a red loses.

Speaker 4 (02:31:02):
Tea calling me.

Speaker 2 (02:31:15):
Of course. It's a wonderful world. It's Friday, covered at
nine o'clock and the mic goes off and I begin
my weekend. I'm looking forward to the weekend. Got a
great charity event I'm going to be speaking at tomorrow.
Got some time off, and we got some good friends
coming in from out of town, out of Chicago. We're
going to be visiting with us on Monday. I got
that to look forward to. So find something positive in
your world to look forward to and ignore some of

(02:31:35):
the chaos for a while. You deserve it. Let's go
to the phone see what Brian's got to say this morning. Brian,
thanks for calling. Happy Friday to you.

Speaker 6 (02:31:43):
Hey, Brian, thanks for taking the call. A longtime listener,
first time call her.

Speaker 4 (02:31:50):
So I heard you.

Speaker 6 (02:31:51):
Talk about the you know, the guy that took the
beat down in Cincinnati. And I've heard this like numerous
times and on up if you watch other videos, ye,
there's not just one guy. There's two other guys that
are getting a beat down in the background, yeah along
you know the young one, the lady that got punched

(02:32:13):
at the end of it there, but and the two
guys that uh were attacked, you know, outside of that
main video, right, the one guy was the one guy
was robbed, he.

Speaker 5 (02:32:24):
Took his wallet.

Speaker 4 (02:32:25):
Well, I heard an interview not getting talked about.

Speaker 2 (02:32:29):
Well, Bernie Morena actually raised something interesting. He said yesterday
in an interview with Laura Ingram that he had talked
to five victims in this Now we only know about
the two that have been widely discussed. And someone told
me independence say they had listened to the interview. I
have not, so please do not quote this as gospel
that Morena's point was they didn't want to go public
with the fact that they got beat down because they

(02:32:50):
didn't want their lives in jeopardy. They want to have
their names broadcast all over the place, and I certainly
in this day and age, can understand why they might
not want to have that happen. So, yeah, I'm a
where there's other videos and that maybe other people are victims.

Speaker 6 (02:33:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I just that I just
wanted to bring that up there. Everybody keeps talking about
that one guy, but there's there's a lot more than
just one guy that got it. You know, the one
video this guy they showed the guy like dropping an
elbow on the guy in the.

Speaker 4 (02:33:21):
Middle of the street.

Speaker 6 (02:33:22):
It's like only trapped. Yeah, so I just wanted to
bring that up.

Speaker 2 (02:33:27):
I'm glad you did, Brian. I appreciate you. Feel free
to call it anytime. I'm glad you tell you took
the time to do so today. Yeah, I'm going back
to my point about the they deserve the beat down.
It didn't. I emphasized the word they in there, but
it's critical to point out, does anybody believe that woman
that is identified as Holly, the one who's face is
circulating on social media, that got horrifically beaten, punched in

(02:33:48):
the face squarely when she was not representing a threat
or saying anything she deserved a beatdown. Huh contemplate that
one one, Jay, Welcome to the Morning Show. Happy Friday
to you, Hey.

Speaker 4 (02:34:04):
Good morning, Brian.

Speaker 13 (02:34:05):
Hey.

Speaker 16 (02:34:05):
The next election is going to be very telling right now,
the city of Cincinnati for decades, and let's say just
for the.

Speaker 4 (02:34:12):
Past eight years or whenever George Floyd came.

Speaker 16 (02:34:14):
On, it has been the sanctuary city Dei Teresa Thigi,
revolving prosecutor, soft on crime, George Floyd, defund police George Floyd.

Speaker 13 (02:34:27):
It is the.

Speaker 19 (02:34:27):
Opposite of mega and which means that the people of
Cincinnati like the current trajectory. And if this doesn't change
that trajectory, nothing will it. And it will verify that
the millions of people in the city of Cincinnati like
things just the way they are, thank you very much,
which which I think is what we're seeing with the

(02:34:51):
statements coming out of the Mayor's office with Missus Iris
and and what's coming out of city council, racist comments
coming from from those city departments. It seems to me
that the city, the people of Cincinnati, the citizens have
an overwhelming majority on City council, Mayor's office, all of it,

(02:35:14):
they own all of it. I guess in a free country,
people have the right to choose, and I'm going to
put it at the feed of the people of Cincinnati.

Speaker 16 (02:35:22):
Is this what you want? Because it appears to me
this is what you want. So we'll see in the
next election. But if we look back in time, it's
been decades we've been heading in this trajectory.

Speaker 11 (02:35:32):
This is not new.

Speaker 16 (02:35:33):
This is the output of everything that I just talked
about from the George Floyd defund the police DEI put
it all together, and there it is, folks, right there
in that video, there's your output. Pops resigning out of frustration,
chasing the same bad guys because prosecutors won't walk them up.
Now you have a shortage of cops, the justice systems

(02:35:55):
on its last strand there's the output.

Speaker 2 (02:35:59):
So we'll well. And we also have history as a
guide because we can see the same thing happened in Portland,
in Los Angeles and San Francisco and every other city
who's tried to decriminalize crime. H it's a good point.
Keep your popcorn out. Elections have consequences. You have an
opportunity to have significant change on council and you don't
have to vote Republican. You got some charter rights. Scott
there Steve Gooden, for example, wouldn't he be a wonderful, wonderful,

(02:36:22):
refreshing alternative to the current makeup. Yeah, there's an option.
And of course there's always Corey Bowman. You can give
him a shot. And why not. Anyhow, problems Absolutely, people
are going to pack their bags and move. We saw
that happen a lot after CO or during COVID with
New York and California. And yeah, if you have the
means and wherewithal and ability to make a choice, you

(02:36:44):
move out of a dangerous location. You go someplace. Well
like that local businessman preferred in the Enquirer who has
moved or is moving his downtown business to Blue Ash
the last straw? What happened on Saturday morning? Anyhow? Tech
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