55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Steve Goodin, Gary Favors, Todd Zinser

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Five o five at fifty five KRC DE talk station
at the Friday Serious.

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Some says that SI will.

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A vacation from there. It is a wuhoo confirming in
fact that it is Friday, not that you needed confirmation.
Happy Friday to everybody. I hope you can stick around
all morning. You got a good show lined up thanks
to executroducer Joe Strecker. My name is Brian Thomas. I
host this show and I love hearing from my listeners,
so you can feel free to chime in if it's
something on your mind. Five one, three, seven four nine

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fifty five hundred eight hundred eight two three talk or
TOOUN five fifty on AT and T phones. I always remember,
never forget fifty five KRC dot com. Head on over
to the podcast page. In my conversation with Jay Ratliffe,
our iHeartMedia Aviation Expert. Every Thursday at eight thirty Liz
Keating running for since a City Council. She joined the
program yesterday, preceded by Andre Ewing. This outspoken community activists

(01:11):
and retired police officer actor thirty years serving the Greater
Cincinnati area. Andre Ewing commenting on Police Chief Thresa Thiji's
maybe impending dismissal, firing or resignation, mayor city manager's city hall,
variety of different things with Andrea. Love that guy. He's on
fire every time he mentioned me on his yesterday's post

(01:31):
on Facebook too, So thanks Andre. Appreciate the shout out.
Congressman Warren Davidson and Dan Hills, the former FOP president
Dan Hills on the plug the Future of Police Chief
Teresa Thiji. That was yesterday, great show lined up. Appreciate
Joe Strekker doing what he does. Let's see what is
he doing today? He lined up Dave Hatter Tech Friday's
Dave Hatter Every Friday at six thirty. Today we'll talk about,

(01:55):
well we're gonna learn something today we typically do with Dave.
Another new term ghost tapping, no no idea. Well, that's
why we have Dave. Collectively, That's why I'm glad I
have Dave. We'll get to find out today what that means.
Microsoft Voice Clone artificial intelligence is in a word, scary,

(02:16):
all right, and Queen City Conference, Cincinnati's premier security conference.
Who will give us a few words on that one.
Something tells me Dave's going to be highly involved with that.
Steve Gooden also running for Cincinna City Council. You know,
early voting is going on right now. You get go
to the Board of Elections during well open hours, check
it out online, get over their vote so you don't
have to worry about being there on election day. Steve

(02:37):
Gooden deserves your vote, good Man. He is brilliant, great lawyer,
demonstrably did a good job on council when you have
after he got appointed. So we got another opportunity to
bring Steve back. We bring Steve back this morning at
seven oh five to talk about the situation going on
the police chief violence in the city of Cincinnati. Oh look,
there's another shooting happened this morning. Thank you, Joe Trekker

(03:00):
stand on top of the violence in city of Cincinnati.
Oh that's right, I'm sorry. Shootings plural corrected by my
executive producer, which I appreciate. Somebody's got to be there
to keep me on my toes. That's why Joe is
such a great guy. Gary favors he's running for since
a City council after Steve Gooden. He'll join the program
at seven thirty. Gary has been endorsed by Ken Blackwell,

(03:21):
a man that I have a tremendous amount of respect
for also got the FOP endorsement and the Hamilton County
GOP endorsement. Gary at seven thirty, followed by Todd Enzer
Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinzer. Yes, Joe correct. If you vote

(03:43):
Corey Bowman, Todd Zenzer may ultimately be our city manager.
You choose Cheryl Long, Todd Zinzer, former Inspector General for
the United States of America, and a guy who is
spending his retirement just paying really, really, really close attention
to what I can describe as absolute, outright Shenanigan's going

(04:06):
on in downtown Cincinnati. During my conversation with Andre Ewing
and Ken Kober and Dan Hills, and you've read about her,
Iris Roli, his name keeps coming up. She's a paid
consultant on the CINCINNTI payroll. She's an outspoken critic of

(04:27):
the police, been around since the collaborative agreement was in
a was merely a gleam in some folks eye, and
she's been around ever since, and since she has a
paid contract for the City of Cincinnati. I think her
most recent contract negotiation, that's her north of five hundred
thousand dollars a year, or at least Iris rollie LLC.
I don't know if all that money lands up in
Iris's pocket. I have no idea. So Iris, if you're

(04:49):
out there, maybe you can clear that up. But Todd
Zenzer's taking a look at the invoices and I can't
wait to talk to him about this in the eight
o'clock hour, so he posts yesterday Citizen Watchdogs his podcast.
You can follow Todd, I recommend that you do.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
He had previously requested invoices submitted to the City of
Cincinnati by Iris roly LLC. She is a contractor, so
there are rules that relate to the invoices that are submitted,
and there are obligations that go along with requesting payment
from the city taxpayers. Somebody has to look out for
your taxpayer dollars. Question, did they do it in this case?

(05:24):
According to Todd, my conclusion is no, he said so
far response to my request, thirty four invoices were included,
covering parts of calendar year twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
and twenty five, and the what is called the Government
Square Initiative for last year. Total of the invoices just
shy of three hundred thousand dollars. He said, they all

(05:47):
appear to have been paid. Then he goes on to
point out some obligations within the contract. The cities contract
with Iris Roly LLC required quote detailed timekeeping close quote,
along with quote activity logs close quote submitted monthly. And

(06:08):
as Todd brings to our attention, the invoices do not
reflect detailed timekeeping or any timekeeping in his words, and
do not reflect activity logs only the activities reminds me
of the evolution of billable hours in the practice of
law review documents two point zero. There's some lawyers out

(06:31):
there that are chuckling over that right now. Anyway, Sorry,
he said, the invoices you reflect that IRIS early LLC
was very very in his words two varies, very very
involved in public safety policy and police personnel matters, including
quote police chief search. See. I emphasized that because this

(06:52):
is one of the things talked about yesterday with Dan
Hills and Andre Ewing, both of whom pointed out that
these the Cincinnati Police Department was polled when they were
searching for a new police chief. It wasn't Teresa Thigi
that they wanted overwhelmingly rejecting Police Chief Teresa Thigi as
a candidate for police chief, and in spite of the

(07:13):
overwhelming rejection from the Cincinni Police Department members, of course
cher Long and after have pro Bol went ahead and
appointed police chief three say Thigi to the job. And
I suppose, given that Iris Rollie LLC build the City
of Cincinnati for working on police accountability and police chief
search interviews for assistant chief and ex chief, that she

(07:36):
in fact had a role to play in Police Chief
Teresa Thigi's selection over the objections of the police officers.
So how much of a role she had to play.
She got paid for it, did they listen, Iris Roly?
I don't think that the bills reflect whether or not
they did. But she got paid for it as a
consultant to work with them on the selection of the

(07:57):
police chief. Apparently, he said there were seven invoices provided
covering twenty twenty three, and except for the dates on
the invoices, five of seven of these invoices, he said,
were identical, including misspellings. Huh, carbon copy of the exact

(08:23):
same invoice, he said. A sixth invoice was identical except
for one additional activity that wasn't included on the other
five invoices. On its face, he states in his post
in contracting, that's referred to as double or duplicate billing,
which is improper and which the city will need to address.
He's so delicate in his statements, he said without contemporarious

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activity logs, which he according to his review of the documents,
there were no activity logs, which is required by the contract.
So without those, he said, it isn't clear how those
claims will be legally sorted out. All the invoices have
been posted in a folder on my website's research library.
He gives you a link so you can, like Todd Zenser,

(09:07):
independently conduct your own inspector general like analysis of the
bills paid to Iris roly LLC and see if you
believe they line up with the contractual provisions which you
think Todd also posted. So all the information there for
your and my review question is do you I know,
I don't. Do you ever go and review this kind

(09:29):
of information? Do you ever ask for documents from the
City of Cincinnati or any government for that matter. All
these rights and abilities to gather information, And I'm not
trying to guilt you in any way shape or form.
I'm merely pointing out the value of Todd Zenser, because
as much time as I spend with politics in all
these matters, I literally don't believe I have enough time

(09:52):
to go through and sort through on the level of
detail that a man like Toddzenser is willing to do,
at least in so far as the city as Cincinnati
government issues are concerned. That's his focus, and so he
sticks to one governmental entity, at least I believe that
be the case. He may look at Hamilton County. I
don't know, but predominantly he's focused on the city, and

(10:13):
he does a meticulous job. He goes back to the
well every time they don't produce the documents he's looking for,
he makes demands on doing it. Sometimes I suppose, maybe
even engaging law firms, because there are firms out there
that see the city I regularly for this kind of thing.
But he gets the records, he looks at them, he
analyzes them, he compares what the contracts require to what
Iris Role or anybody else is doing by way of billing,

(10:36):
and he brings all of this to our attention, and
he spends a lot of time doing it, and he
isn't paid a dime. Todd Zenzer is not an employee
of the City of Cincinnati, he's not a consultant, but
isn't he doing wonderful consulting work for the city. I
know they don't want the public to know about this stuff,
But if you were a responsible elected official in the

(10:58):
City of Cincinnati and you're throwing out hundreds of thousands
of dollars to pay invoices submitted, don't you think you
owe an obligation to the taxpayers of the City of
Cincinnati to make sure at least the paperwork is adequate
and documents work that was actually done. Documents worked at
the contract retaining her and her entity obligate her to do.

(11:22):
Todds Enser does that. So if you let Corey Bowman,
we might stand a really good chance of having todds
Enzer as the city manager. And I think that would
be a beautiful thing. Five one, three, seven, nine fifty

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Ll although I have to admit I do miss my
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(12:37):
I love to hear from you. You know, I love
talking to the listeners. And get ready, it's no King's
rally day tomorrow. No thrones, no crowns, no kings. October eighteenth,
millions of us are rising again to show the world
America has no kings and the power belongs to the people.
Does it you really feel as though the power belongs
to you? I always point out that, you know, the

(12:58):
Democrats are the ones that one of my manager world,
who is deregulating, who is deregulating, who is trying to
shrink the size and scope of government, and in so
doing reduce its impact on your day today lives. The

(13:18):
answers to these questions are quite obvious, and so this
is what always frustrates me because the Democrats, the left
is the communists, the Marxians always run around screaming about
how they're the ones that want to protect democracy. We
do live in a republic, but it doesn't matter, and
that the conservative side of the element are the fascists
and that we are the ones that are well, it's

(13:39):
just insane, and to me, it's an insult to the
American intellect that they even get away with it. Are
we that collectively dumb that they spew this nonsense and
we actually believe it? Are literally millions and millions of
people going to show up on Saturday tomorrow to like
rally against what they believe or claim to be fascism

(14:00):
or authoritarianism. The same people that force you or would
like to force you. They're never going to force me
to do anything, but they would like to force you
to use their gender pronoun even though it doesn't make
any sense and you don't even understand what it means.
The ones that want to take away your gas stove

(14:23):
over my dead body, I'll interject want to change how
you drive your transportation at removing the concept of choice
from your day to day lives through regulations, laws, whatever.

(14:45):
I mean, you know, I think it's an embarrassment that
they actually well maybe it's just the they appear to
be getting away with the flip of the narrative. I
know my listeners are smarter than that. It's just that
it's so widely reported and so often repeated. Again, you

(15:05):
got to look at this whole concept of this monolithic
you know, legacy media, mainstream media, that's where you get
a lot of this nonsense, and of course an alternative
media and other outlets they don't buy into it, but
they starting to get a lot of lip service with
that fascist, fascist trumpet, and I just look at him
and think, God, you know, I thank god I'm not

(15:29):
that blank and stupid. So here's a warning shot to
all those folks out there are going to appear at
the No King's rally and maybe engage in acts of violence.
It's coming your way. And I was glad to see
some ANTIFAM members have been indicted for supporting terrorists. This
has been a long time coming, folks. There's so much
coordination out there and I'll give you their website, No

(15:50):
Kings dot org. Look at the map, Look how many
protests have been organized. Look how long they've had to
build up to this moment. Parenthetically, the government's shut down,
and the Democrats over and over again will not agree
to open up the government and continue at Joe Biden
level funding levels. Why they're waiting for something. And it

(16:14):
may be that we'll have a new dawn and the
government will reopen after this weekend. Will Republicans view the
old King's rallies And I don't know how many people
are going to show up, but let's just say it's
wildly successful. It provides those great optics, throngs of people
protesting the fascist Donald Trump. Open the government back up,
give us back our healthcare. And that's a critical point

(16:34):
to note anyway, isn't it. You have to rely on
the government for your healthcare. The government on a whim
could flip it off. That's the Democrats narrative on this,
Those evil Republicans. They're shutting off the subsidies. The subsidies
are the only thing that makes their damn program work.
It has the appearance of affordability because you make the
American taxpayer pay the premiums directly to the insurance or

(16:56):
directly to the medical providers. But it's a you are
beholding to the government for your health care. How does
that make you feel? It's like you have to worry
day in and da out. If you're a senior and
you're living on Social Security. A government that refuses to
fix an obvious train wreck that's coming headlong your way,

(17:19):
that's your only source of revenue. And I'm sorry that
you're in that position. I get it. A lot of
people are, but you're stuck. You're clinging to something that
is basically what I would argue is in nefarious force.
Holy crap, I've got to rely on these clowns to live.
We should all be collectively running in the opposite direction.

(17:46):
But two alleged members of Antifa, so this one in Texas,
have been charged with providing material support to terrorists. This
is the first terrorism related charges that have brought against
people linked to the network over an alleged attack against
law enforcement. It's get into the details of the point
being the coordinated effort to unlaunch criminal behavior. We're walking

(18:10):
into rico, folks. This is going to be I hope
the beginning of a long chapter of holding these nefarious
actors on a very very high level accountable. Did George
Soros or did any of these TIDES Foundation funds at
any of these other multi billionaire run operations coordinate criminal activity.

(18:35):
I'm of the belief that they pretty much did. The folks,
mind your p's and q's. Tomorrow you engage in criminal activity.
Maybe it to behest of some multi billionaire, right all
the ones that the Democrats are all screaming about, the
ones who are in bed with the Democrats. Parenthetically, yeah,

(18:57):
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Speaker 2 (19:23):
Joe?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
He is ace freely dead seventy four years old. I
dabbled him, kissed Joe for about five minutes. The only
Kiss album I own is Kiss Destroyer came out in
March in nineteen seventy six. I was eleven, and that's

(19:47):
the extent of my Kiss album collection. I think I
actually still have that in vinyl for him somewhere stowed away.
Haven't spun that disc since I was old. I don't
know eleven was a Kiss fan though. Let's see what
Tom's got this morning. Tom, thanks for calling. Happy Friday
to you, my friend.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Oh yeah, Kiss double platinum line one of my one
of my cherished possessions as a teenager.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
So that's hilario. Yeah, I tell you what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say a name out loud. Maybe
nobody knows what I'm talking about except my the guys
from my neighborhood. The biggest Kiss fan I know, Greg
Langenbrunner if you're out there, or Doug Langenbrner if you're
out there. Doug was a huge Kiss fan. He had
all of them, and I remember seeing his his his
double live album from from Kiss.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
So anyway, yeah, I remember a group of guys did
did it come to school? We had some I don't
know whatever event it was.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
You could you could.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Dress up whatever, and the four guys got together and
they dressed up like Kiss. It was pretty epic.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
It was.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
It was very good.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
So yeah, uhh.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, thanks to Kiss, we have Gwar another one of
Joe's favorites.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Well, I don't know if I've heard of that one.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
You don't want to know, probably.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
The first thing I've been commenting on lately is I
drive past in seedy Dayton Road. Is the gas prices,
and of course the other shoe dropped, and it seems
like everybody is, now, how did this happen? Everybody's at
two ninety nine, now what. It's almost like they're colluding, Brian.
It's almost like, oh my, they're all getting the same memo.
It's there's no way that's happening.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right, Yeah, you had lord.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Us oil futures ended yesterday fifty six dollars and ninety
nine cents a barrel, which is a couple of points down,
and that's nineteen percent down from last year. Oil is plunging.
There's a glut of crude because we're pumping the hell
out of it. Opek is not compared back its output
because it's trying to undermine the United States crude purchases

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and of course, everybody's afraid we're going to enter a
global recession or something, so enjoy the loot gas price
is why you can. Tom.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, Well, but the thing is you have that information
you just gave, and yet everybody seemingly jumped their gas
prices fifty or sixty cents all at the same time.
I mean, I drove past it yesterday morning. It was
two thirty nine. And then I'm on my way home
and work, and everybody's two ninety nine except except I
gotta throw this out. There is one gas station at

(22:25):
that exit at the Cincinnati Date Road I seventy five
exit that still says two thirty nine on the side.
How about somebody's somebody's bucking the train, and I'm sure
they're gonna hear all about it.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
They might, oh, that.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Is not okay amongst the gas gas community.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Jee.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
And then across the street it's sixty cents higher.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's crazy, all right, And there's a Tom's Low gas
Price report, and I will acknowledge that. Somewhere on Camargo
Avenue there is that one gas station that's still charging
eight eight dollars a gallon.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Oh geez, Yeah, those those people over there they're always
the highest in town.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
I know, I know exactly which one you're talking about.
It's it's on the top of the list for gas
Bundy if you pull up Cincinnati. Yeah, it's always the
top gas station as far as highest gas.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, charge like a buck more. I guess people are gooble,
like I would drive an extra half a mile to
get gas at a substantially reduced rate. There are several
gas stations within short driving distance from that joint. Anyway,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Anyway, not obviously, Yeah, but it's good. I mean, it's
an interesting subject because some I'd love to know what's
going on. But behind the scenes, you know, there is
some kind of a collusion thing going on.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
It.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Everybody is jumping their gas prices, and it's like it's
like you say a thing you said about how the
Democrats say stuff and this many people are are are
going along with it. They really think we're that stupid.
It's just we don't know what what can you do
about it? I hope that one gas that I mentioned
it's still two thirty nine. I hope they get a
line that blocks the freaking street and the other gas

(24:06):
station across the street at sixty cents higher. I hope
they get nobody and then maybe something like gatt'll help.
I don't I don't know if that'll work, but whatever.
Really quick, the reason I one thing I want to
talk touch on the day to kinda follow up with
something I brought up a couple of days ago. As
you read the thing about our esteemed justice to the

(24:27):
Supreme Court, Katanji Brown Jackson and her comments on basically
saying that minorities are disabled. Yeah, I mean American for
Disability Act should apply this. See more. More people on
the left are giving more excuses at trying to feed
into people's brains that oh, poor you, Oh, it's not

(24:50):
your fault not able to get your lazy self up
and go vo. It's not your fault if you can't
go and just get yourself a ID so that you
could prove who you are before you vote. It's not
your fault, you poor thing. It's because of all the
racism that's happened years and years ago. It's not your fault.

(25:13):
That is a load of crap. And I'm just so
fed up with this garbage. And really, anybody, any perspective
doesn't matter. Where you're at, where you came from, how
you grew up, if you were alive today, and you're
not willing to acknowledge that that is a load of crap,
that I'm sorry, you got something going on that that

(25:34):
is not right, and you're going along like you talked
about a few minutes ago with the other stuff the
Democrats want to pump out. Come on, guys, it's not this.
You can't be that stupid. You can't be it's ridiculous.
You're you're hanging on to some crutch or some pacifier
just to make yourself feel better. You got you gotta stop,

(25:56):
You gotta get real, and you gotta wake up and
stop you're behaving like different. Please please don't vote Democrat.

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Have a great weekend, Brian, appreciate that time. Does it
make you feel better to be like embrace in being
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Go to the phones first, though, After all right, let's

(26:56):
see what Larry's guy this morning before we dive into
the stack is stupid. Larry, Happy Friday, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Good morning, Brian. How are you?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I'm doing well? What's going on?

Speaker 8 (27:07):
I was, I was talking to Joe, and I was
gonna tell you the same thing that I told Joe.
So I worked locally here in the Cincinnati area for company.
I don't want to say who, because I'm sure other listeners,
but I have company provided medical insurance, and ever since

(27:28):
Obamacare was put into place, thanks to the regulations, the
increases on my premiums has always went up every year,
year over year. Now I had I would consider Cadillac
insurance before then the enactment of Obamacare, because I would
only pay like ten dollars to go to the doctor

(27:49):
if you got admitted to the hospital, it was one
hundred dollars deductible. And I'm I only asked for the
family plan of about forty dollars a week out of
my paycheck. Well over the years. I'll fast forward to today.
I now pay two sixty six a week for my
medicare through my company provided insurance, but also by deductibles

(28:14):
or over six thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
So I'm paying over a thousand.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
A month for my premiums for private healthcare and with
a six thousand dollars deductible before the eighty twenty even
kicks in. So I work sixty hours a week or
sixty hours last week. I look at my paycheck this morning,
and I paid over nine hundred dollars in taxes. Five

(28:41):
hundred and sixty eight of it went to Now I'm
being transparent because I hear all of these people talk
about this, but nobody talks about the details. I want
to hear from the people out there that are like
me and your other listeners. I'm a pipe fitter welder
for thirty two years. I get up, I strap my
work boots on, and I go to work provide for
myself and my family. I've raised my kids. Now it's

(29:02):
just me and my wife at home.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
But you know when when.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
I it's legalized theft, When you open up your paycheck,
you work sixty hours and you've paid over nine hundred
dollars in federal tax yeah, a state, local, and medicare.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
It's legalized theft.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
And I want to know where are the people that
are fuman about this this government. And I hear Chuck
Schumer and all of them talk about lye, how the
Republicans are lying and we're the ones that shut the
government down.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
No, those people that are.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
On those subsidies need to get up off their duff
and they need to go find a job that they
can find an employer that will provide them health insurance.
You cannot rely on the government. The government's regulations is
messing it all up. They're more of the problem. They're
not the fixer. They are the problem. And when I
see my paycheck this morning, when I got up and

(29:57):
I listened to your monologue here at the bottom of
the hour, it just it got me. I was already
fused when I was listening to you, and I'm like, I.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Gotta call in and tell this.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
So I imagine sock to it.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
And I don't know what the answer is other than
the rest of you guys say don't vote Democratic.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Lar and Larry do yourself a favor. It's it doesn't
cost anything, and I'm going to support a sponsor by
telling you to do this. Get in touch with cover Sincy.
Let them look at what you got. You may find
that you can pay less money and get some dollar
one coverage. I swear to you it's worth it. It
doesn't cost you a dime. Let them just look at it.
You may find there is a better way out there.
They have helped so many people. I got a business

(30:37):
owner out there. They improved his business's bottom line about
thirty thousand dollars, got all of his employees insurance and
they're all happy with it, and it's less money. So
just the thought it doesn't solve the bigger problem that
you're talking about, which I share with you. You didn't
call looking for an argument on that one. My friend
by forty six got other callers online. Feel free to
shine in fifty tenety two three talk five FI fifty

(30:59):
ene eighty five. Yeah, it's Friday. I'll be right back.
There's a lot of stuff that happened a military occupation
talk station. See I five fifty one. Here I fifty
five k CD talk station Friday. That's been a few
days since I did a stack of stupid I was

(31:20):
just asking Joe, you think I'd do a stack of
stupid after the six o'clock hour begins before we get
to Tech Friday's Dave Hatter. That is the possibility, But
meantimes go to the finals, see what Carlscott, Carl, thanks
for calling this morning. Happy Friday to you, sir.

Speaker 9 (31:32):
Happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Gee.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
I don't know where to start with my comments this morning,
but let me start with Chief Fiji. She is not
the one who is out there shooting people. These criminals
are out there shooting people. These criminals have lengthy records
and they are out on probation. Now the city leaders
say that the city is safe. If it is, why

(31:56):
are they going to fire Chief Fiji at the time
they should be giving her a raise and a promotion.
Now it could all be coincidental. And you know, if
I was Chief DG, I would have thrown my hands
up a long time ago and retired. Now the city
is pushing the narrative that the city is safe. And

(32:17):
I had the opportunity to attend the Hamilton County Association
of Chiefs Police town hall meeting on Tuesday at Corinthian
Baptist Church, Dowlachnsey Avenue and jan Michelle lemon Kearney, the
Vice mayor herself, handed me the statistics of the city
and they're called the STARS statistics. It stands for Strategic

(32:40):
and Tactical Analytic Review for Solutions. And if you look
at this report, citywide homicides, you know are pretty much
in line. Everything is in line. We've had one more
homicide this year in the city from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five year today looks pretty impressive. And

(33:01):
then of course she handed out these statistics for District
four District four and they actually complimented the people in
District four. District four is down ten homicides year to day.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Now.

Speaker 9 (33:15):
One gentleman in the meeting asked the question, how are
these statistics accurate? And the representatives from the Cincinnati Police
Department responded and said, yes, we have a whole department
that does nothing else but handle these statistics. Meanwhile, I'm
there sitting what about all these shootings that we're having

(33:38):
and everything. Of course, they are all happening down in
the central Business district in downtown, and they did not
show or give us those statistics at the meeting.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
So what's your conclusion with all that? That you just mentioned, Carl.

Speaker 9 (33:56):
Well, you know, city wide as of Tuesday, city wide
crime that is pretty much on track to where it
was last year. But you know, we're seeing a lot
of crime down in the Central Business District. I mean
I hear it every day on the news.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, so it's just become this the concentration for crime there.
I mean, people have I guess, as opposed to spreading
crime far and wide throughout the city, We've concentrated our
criminal activities in one area. Yes, okay, fair enough, and
apparently I've got one area is like predominantly Government Square,

(34:37):
at least in so far as criminal activity by young
people on bus transfers. Anyhow, appreciate the call, Carl. Thanks
for going to the meeting. Though here is obviously a
concerned citizen. You showed up at the town hall to
hear all about it and do a little bit of
a ig work like Todd Zenzer does, on behalf of
the community for everyone's benefit. Bobby, welcome in the morning show.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
Happy Friday, Happy Friday, my brother stabbing shooting murderers. Oh my,
it didn't poor Kopolis. You can rest assure that what
happened down there on the Square before the game, and
we had another shooting, and then we'd go ahead and
have a murder rights outside of the Great American Ballpark,
you know.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh my yeah. That was this morning at two am.
Homicide investigators showed up East third Street at Sycamore two am.
Man's twenties maybe early thirties found shot in the BMW
he died.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
Well, he's driving driving a nice car used to I.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Guess, I don't know. It could be a Beatter two
thousand and two model or something from way back in
the day. We don't know. The reports didn't say that,
but well, we said.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
We got these I didn't want to interrupt you, but
we got these protests coming tomorrow. Is there any outside
of Cincinnati and conserved areas? I know I'm in eastern Kentucky,
and I know there's none around the people that I
know he's maybe looking forward to it. They're watching on TV,
like in Portland, these big fat people driving around on

(36:06):
bicycles naked. Are they planning on the events like that
in the Great Porlcoppolis?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Maybe that's a draw. You know, you got to get
people to show up, you better have a naked bicycle
riding event. Maybe you won't get as big of a
draw in the greater Cincinnati area. I'm looking at the
No Kings rally sites. We got Mall Road in Florence, Kentucky.
We've got Smell Riverfront Park. We've got Eastgate Mall, Loveland. Yeah,

(36:34):
believe it or not, I know, don't get me started.
There's one in Mason, a dance party for democracy according
to the No King's website for that location. You got
one in Westchester. If you want to go a little
bit further north, there's one in Middletown, and also let's
see here Oxford. Those are the handful that I picked.

(36:56):
But again No Kings dot org. If you want to
see where they all are, it makes it look really old, overwhelming.
I mean, you got these places far and wide who
are having a rally? Will people show up to these rallies?
It means you seen. Don't engage in criminal activity, folks,
you could end up in subject of a reco charge.
Don't go away. Plenty to talk about. Then we get
Tech Friday with Dave hat Or coming up at six thirty. Bobby,

(37:17):
have a great weekend, my friend. Love to hear from you.
You've got a comment regardless be right back after the news,
Today's tough headlines coming up at the top of the hour.
Something always happens when you talk station. At six h
six to fifty five krc DE Talk Station, Brian Thomas here,
wishing everyone a very happy Friday. I hope you got

(37:37):
some good plans going on. Congratulations the Bengals. I really
didn't expect to be uttering those words this morning, but
they did get a win. Squeaker it was, but a
win is a win is a win. Sorry to my
wife Paul Atte, who is a Pittsburgh fan. I don't
know when they play the Bengal I think she leans Bengals,
but neither of us watched the game, both of us
staring at the back of our eyelids last night sleeping. Anyway,

(37:57):
if you want to call on, chime in on topic,
feel free. I'm inclined to go to Stack as Stupid
in the six o'clock hour because well, it's Friday, and
I haven't been able to do a Stack of Stupid
because I prefer callers. But the last several days obviously
great callers and exchanging of commentary and analysis and ideas,
so I haven't been doing the Stack of stupid. So
I got a couple, including well one from a national level,

(38:20):
and a warning ahead of time to people who are
going to the No Kings rally. Yeah, mind your p's
and q's. There could be consequences. Play stupid games and
win stupid prizes, or in the modern parlance FAFO the
abbreviation which I cannot articulate out loud because of the FCC.
But you know what that means. Least maybe look it
up if you don't. Steve Gooden's going to join the

(38:41):
program after Tech Friday. Tech Friday with Dave had Or
bottom of the r What is ghost tapping? We're gonna
find out together. I don't know, but Microsoft's Voice Clone
artificial intelligence is, in a word, scary. That's where my
notes day plus Queen City Conference, City's premier security conference
going on. He's gonna give us some details on that.
That starts at six thirty. Now, Steve good and run
for Since a City Council charterright candidate great man he is.

(39:04):
He'll talk about since a police Chief three Cythigi's job
maybe being on the line. We talked about that yesterday
with Andre Ewing and former FOP president Dan Hills. Violence
in the city, oh and loss keating two violence in
the city as well as his campaign that's at seven
oh five. Gary Favors returns. He's also running for since
a city Council. He's been endorsed by Ken Blackwell, the
Fraternal Order of Police, and the Hamilton County GOP. Another

(39:28):
viable candidate for the city, Todd Zenzer, maybe the next
city manager. If we vote Corey Bowman, I encourage you
to do that. Todd Zendser is going to give us
a breakdown the latest from Citizen Watchdog, and I talked
about some of the details uncovered about Iris Rollie LLC
billing kind of questionable billing practices details at eight oh five.

(39:49):
As I pivot over, this wasn't even in the stack
of stupid but well again FAFO or play stupid games,
Win Stupid Prizes. That award goes to Bethany Abigail Tara Well,
thirty seven years old from Maldon, Massachusetts. Uh Well now
into the watchful lie of US Attorney's Office for the

(40:10):
District of Massachusetts. She was captured on the officer's video
camera threatening to kill officers and interfering with them performing
their duties. Huh, hey, Joe, didn't we have a local
incident of a community activist interfering with an officer performing
her duties in downtown Cincinnati. That wasn't that long ago?

(40:32):
Was it yesterday? We talked about Iris Rawley. Anyway, this
terrible woman physically interjected herself into the middle of agents
while they were trying to arrest someone. She was verbally abusive,
attempted to physically interfere with the arrest, and ultimately made
threatening statements to kill the federal officers on the scene.

(40:56):
That's part of the indictment that was released. She hasn't
been indicted anyway. At one point, the threats escalated, resulting
in her saying out loud to the officers in their face,
Charlie Kirk died and we love it. We're coming for you,
gonna kill you close quote, which led to her being

(41:16):
charged with threatening US official, which is a felony, which
also carries up the ten years in prison, three years
of supervisor release, in a quarter of a million dollars
fine up to I might emphasize. So they got photos
of her, confirmed by multiple federal sources, showing her extensive tattoos,
prominent forehead, design. It's a classic look. Facial piercings are

(41:38):
really sweet as well. I'm just describing you because you know,
if we're gonna stereotype one of these folks, and I
think she pretty much falls right in the line. Anyhow,
now indicted and could end up in prison for what
she did as a consequence of that, So might remind
you no King's protest tomorrow. Get your nose ring out, well,

(42:03):
don your nose ring and probably display those tattoos. Let's
see what Maureene's got this morning. Hey Maureen, how are
you a happy Friday? So you always a pleasure hearing
from you.

Speaker 10 (42:12):
Good morning, Brian. A couple things about the gas prices.
I was at UDF last night and the manager, I'm
guessing it was told one of the co workers when
I was at the checkout line. She said, you gotta
don't forget. You got to go change the gas price.
And I said, is he going to raise it or
lower it? And she goes, well, he's going to raise it.
It's the weekend.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Ah.

Speaker 10 (42:34):
Anyway, So I was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Now we know market I mean, do market forces work
anymore in gasoline world? I mean, going back to Tom's point,
it seems as if they're all working in coordination together.
Somebody raises there as a nickel, everybody raises her as
a nickel or yeah blowers but.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
Yeah, anyway, okay, So now about the King's Movement. Yeah, now,
I mean, na, I remind you, they are the party
that kept us locked down in our house for two
years and we had to wear a mask to take
out our garbage. And they are the party that anointed
Kamala Harris to be their candidate without a single vote.
So I think all of that speaks for itself. Who
are the real kings here? And what is this all about?

(43:14):
And the the NGO's flendingness. They're all going to be
caught in this trap because that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
The coordinated, the coordinated effort to engage in criminal conduct.
Is that what you're suggesting, like I've been saying over
and over again, Yeah, Reco, Yes, yes, exactly. You're in
Florida right now, aren't you, Marie.

Speaker 10 (43:34):
No, I got back in town. I'm a new and
I have a new grand baby.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
You congratulations, that's wonderful. Mare Well. I was going to
ask you because I pulled up the no Kings dot
org website to see which events were going on in Florida.
I was wondering maybe if you would be showing up
at teach Yeah, the call your County courthouse in Naples.

Speaker 10 (43:53):
I read about that, and it's going to be on
Marco Island. It's going to be oh yeah, yeah, I
just thought that. Yeah. Joyce told my friends there to
stay away from the courthouse.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
No enjoyed all three people in the greater Naples area
they're going to show with the No King's rally. Doesn't
seem like that's going to be a hot bag of
No King's activity. Marine.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
Yeah. I have one other comment about over the Rhine.
I have a friend that moved there and she was
showing me her new place, and we went there, and
every bit of it was you've got to a combination
to get to your gate to the front door. You've
got a combination on your front door. You've got windows
on the first floor that only opened two inches. We
went to the back patio and I said, what are

(44:34):
the spikes on your fence around your patio? Here she goes, well,
I was told that it was for the birds so
that they would stay off the fence and I would
not be cleaning up their message all the time. She
says no, and then I look down and the furniture
and the patio is chained down. She goes the spikes
are there to keep the people from steeling the furniture
because they've taken it three times. But she enjoyed the
fact that she's living there. And I couldn't get out

(44:55):
of there fast enough. I was like, she told me
that the person had broken broken into and everything. So
I go to leave, and my cell phone was still
in her house, and so I'm frantically banging on her
window because I couldn't get to her front door because
I didn't know the combination to the gate. And then
so she lets me in and or she hands me
the phone. I take off. Well, anyway, I was listening

(45:19):
to your person you had on yesterday, the man who
had the podcast where he mentioned you was it our
and yeah, yes, yeah. So after he was on, he
was so interesting and so great. But I went on
and his Facebook and was kind of looking through there. Well,
he has an alert on there from a friend who
was murdered, and it was on the day I was
there on the street where I was, and I just

(45:42):
had chills I thought this was a panicked to get
out of there. Yeah, it was interesting that So yeah,
I see he paid a million dollars for this place,
and I thought you couldn't pay me a million dollars
to live there, and all.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
And all of that effort to prevent crime, I mean,
spikes on it, having to nail your furniture down. Yeah,
that's not anything I would consider buying into. Nothing A
I appreciate. I appreciate you passing I do, and congratulations

(46:16):
on being grandma again, that's one.

Speaker 10 (46:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Enjoy it. We'll talk again real soon. Marine. Stay well.
See Naples, Florida, No King's Protest six fifteen, right now,
fifty five krc DE talk station. It's coming fast. October
twenty ninth. I found out finally, I don't know what.
I think the hold up was selecting the color and
I'm talking about Galaxy Concrete floor six fifty five krc

(46:44):
DE talk station. I love my Friday's here in the
morning show, David. How about you indeed give my regards
to my father. Let's see here. Well, since we're headlong
into tech Friday with Dave Hatter, and I didn't do
the stack of stupid This morning, me get one. I

(47:05):
had a local story. Let me get one real quick
here from the stack is stupid? How is it that
you are so bad that the community knows you collectively
as Naked Gary? What Yeah? San Antonio, forty three year
old Canyon Lake guy now off to prison for ten

(47:26):
years after exposing himself to a child and the child's mother.
Corn Authorities in Cumbal County Gary rutt In the second
known to the neighborhood and the community as Naked Gary.
They say he started to uh, well you got the phrasing,
buddy button, handy there, Joe quote. Investigators say Rutting started

(47:49):
to pop up nude phrasing in public before it escalated
him confronting women and touching himself and trespassing into private property.
Go back a couple of years, deputies out of the
three hundred block of Canyon Springs by reports of a
nude guy trespassing. They said the woman there was leaving
for work with her toddler when the child pointed to

(48:11):
naked Gary on the property. Rutten aka Naked Gary reportedly
standing just a few feet away, staring at the duo
while touching himself. I didn't say he's a hockey player,
though he may be a fan of slapshot anyway. The
woman screamed and told Rutten to leave. He then ran

(48:32):
off into the wood. Shortly later, officials said a neighbor
noticed the guy driving off in the area. After collecting
video from neighbors, deputy is able to identify Rutten as
naked guy in the woman's report. Neighbors even told the
investigators the reason they got the cameras installed is because
they had issues with naked Gary exposing himself in the neighborhood.

(48:54):
Deputies also identified him as the man because records showed
he used the same car exposing himself to another woman
a nearby Dollar General. Do yeah, I know, but at
least it wasn't a Walmart. Joe Sence ten years in
prison for indecency with a child by exposure, third degree felony,
which was enhanced to a second degree punishment range due

(49:15):
to a prior felony conviction. Sure, he's making his family
very proud and something else we need to worry about,
and this is actually legitimate. But on the heels of
the naked guy story and on in advance of Tech Friday,
mc dave had her interesting lawsuit. I doubt it's going
to go anywhere, but it shows you the depths to

(49:35):
which people will go to. I guess make a dollar.
New Jersey teenagers suing the developer of what is described
as a clothes removal software. They say, when she was
fourteen years old, she posed for a photo and when
she was wearing a bathing suit, she posted that photo
to her Instagram account and alleges it was used by

(49:58):
one of her classmates to create a fake nude picture.
Lost to the lleges that the fake nude image of
her in her classmates and the girl's real faces were visible,
easily identifiable, and circulated among the students at New Jersey's
Westfield High School. Several girl has learned about this that
has been used as software. So this lawsuit has finally

(50:19):
been launched. Fast forward a few years after that incident,
AI Robotics Venture Strategy three l T Limited, the defendant
in the suit. They developed a software called cloth Off,
which generated images of naked people against without their permission.
Apparently located in the British Virgin Islands. This cloth Off

(50:40):
company software developer says on the website that processing images
of miners, They claim is impossible and that attempting to
process an image of a minor would lead to an
account ban. Oh and they claimed they don't save any
data right accord to the website, using AI to create
deep nude style images raises ethical considerations. We encourage users

(51:04):
to approach this with an understanding of responsibility in respect
of others privacy. Why in the hell the end did
you invent a software that automatically removes clothes and creates
fake nude images of people who undoubtedly are going to
end up being strangers anyway. Not sure where this lawsuit's
going to go. They also sued Telegram because Telegram allowed
these images to be posted and circulated. The evolution of

(51:28):
artificial intelligence and the law it's going to take years
and years to sort this stuff out. Six twenty five
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Speaker 2 (52:08):
My friend, always my pleasure, Brian, and that is correct.
We're happy to help if we can't.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
That's what you're there for. And then you do. I
know you do a great job. So mister tech Friday
himself joining us to talk about and introduce us to
a brand new phenomenon. There's someone out there that knows
what ghost tapping is. I'm not one of them.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, Brian, So this is this isn't new, but that's
a new term, and I think it's an interesting term.
And it refers to your credit cards that have a
chip in them that can be read from close proximity.
The idea right tap to pay, I wave your card.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I never used that feature. I always stick the card
into the little slot. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Well, until recently, Brian, I would have told you you're
better off to tap. But this article the better in
the warning for the better Business Bureau. Kudos to our
friends the Better Business Bureau who are also always trying
to help consumers avoid the latest scams in fraud.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Is really about skimming, Okay, skimming we've talked about before.
Skimming has been around for a long time and in
the old days it would be you know, relatively easy
for bad guys to put a skimmer, like on a
gas plump or something. And just for those who aren't
familiar with the term, skimmers, essentially a device that looks
like a credit card reader or may even fit in

(53:28):
the credit card reader on newer skimmers that are smaller,
You put your card in the reader, it reads the
mag stripes, steals your information and how the bad guys
are off to the races with your credit card or
debit card number. So the whole idea of nearfield communication
n FC, which is what this is based on, was
the idea that I don't have to put my card

(53:49):
in the device. It's got to chip on it. Theoretically,
this is more secure. I can just get in very
close proximity to the reader. The skimmer can't read the
card right well.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
If they if they had the wherewithal to be able
to do a fake card reader the old skimmer way,
don't they have the equal ability to create a fake
like reader of the tapper kind of thing. Is that
where we're going here, Dave?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
That is that is where we're going, But there's a
second angle to it, and I would say it might
be a little more difficult, Brian, because usually with the skimmers,
you know, the card reader might be flat or it
might be sticking out, but the skimmer could go inside it,
so it might be less obvious that there's a skimmer,
whereas these tap to pay, like if you think about
what that looks like on the gas plump, it's usually
like just a little plastic square, rightactly. It would be

(54:38):
harder to put us, especially if you're paying attention. And
I encourage people, you know, if you're gonna put your
card in any sort of device, feel the device. Does
it feel like it's been altered or pieces loose, because
that might indicate there's a skimmer laying over top of it.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Exercising exercise skimmer hygiene.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Unfortunately, Brian, that's where we're at. You have to do
these things, and I know, I know people don't want
to have to think every time I use any kind
of device that can read a credit card, I gotta
kind of do a thorough inspection of it. But you're
doing yourself a favor if you do. And so the
tap to pay, especially like on a gas bump, you know,
I think it would be harder to alter that in
a way that would not be obvious. But that's not

(55:17):
the only angle here. Okay. What they're warning about is
because these can be read at very close proximity. Instead
of now, when I the old school pickpocket where I
have to bump anyone steal your wallet, I can bump
into you with a skimmer quote unquote in my pocket
and read your card. Isn't that handy?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Is that a skimmer in your pocket?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Or exactly? Sadly, that's where we're at now, Brian. So
you know, the advice here is, as always awareness, you know,
you have to be aware that this is a problem
before you could do anything to solve it. But the
bottom line is they make essentially faraday cage wallets persons,
et cetera. That you could even just put a bunch
of aluminum foil or something in your wallet that would probably.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Stop it, but take it off your head.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, that's what I do, Brian, I just roll a
little off my giant ten full hat and keep my
credit cards inside that each time I go out of
the house, you know, and then I just have my
own little ten foot wallet. But you can buy wallets
and persons specifically designed to stop this. And you know, obviously,
you know if someone is trying to get very close
to you in a public setting. Now obviously, if you're

(56:24):
a concert jammed in with a bunch of people, that's
one thing, but you know it might be because they're
trying to reach your card. The best events against this
really is just get yourself an RFID blocking wallet or purse.
It's also handy if it's a bigger type of bag
where you can put your phone in it, because that
will actually absolutely disconnect your phone, right that's all these

(56:45):
things are designed so that no electronic signals go in
or out, so you could have the dual benefit of
actually getting your phone off the grid if you wanted
to for some specific reason. But yeah, sadly, to me, Brian,
this just shows that the criminals are very creative and
they're always looking for new ways to scam you. And
you know, regardless of the technology, they're almost always able

(57:06):
to come up with some sort of way to steal
your money if you make it easy for him.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Well, opportunity to make some quick, easy money. They're there
to do that every single time. Got an illustration of
that every week, Dave. Just it's scary. It's a scary
world badly, But to fix a Faara day wallet, you
don't have to worry about it. From that point forward,
stick around. We got more to talk about, including Microsoft's
Voice Clone artificial intelligence apparently is scary. That next first

(57:33):
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Station six thirty nine, it's about krc DE talk station,
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Speaker 2 (57:52):
Brian, I'm in a little bit of mourning at the
moment because not only was I a kiss fan, I
practically worship Ace Raley as a kid. Oh is passing
yesterday has left me in a very bad mood.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
To be perfectly honest, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I appreciate the hat tip job.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
That's you know. I mentioned in the program the only
kiss on my own and I did get a copy
of Destroyer back when I was eleven. That was the
extent of my Kiss involvement. Lasted about fifteen minutes, and
then I moved on with my wife. I know, I'm
I may be the minority in terms of you know kiss.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's okay, Brian, I'll just tell you a quick story.
So in nineteen seventy nine, when I was in sixth grade,
I talked my Marine Corps grandpa, World War Two veteran
Purple Heart winner into taking me and three of my
friends sixth grade friends to see Kiss with Judas Priest
at the College.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, he was not happy. I'll just leave it at that,
but I thought it was the most amazing thing ever.
And yeah it was just I was a huge Kiss
fan and Ace was my guy.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Is that your first? Is that your first live concert?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It was first concert ever? Yes, with Judas Priest. And
now you know why I'm all messed up, like I
am brouh.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, well, you know when I saw my first con
Conswered solo. We actually all wanted to see the Doobie
Brothers on Thanksgiving night back in Geez sometime in the
mid seventies. But the first concert I went to where
I was unattended Mom dropped us off heart Dog and
a butterfly tour. Nice festival seeding before the Who concert
incident anyway, often a weird tangent on that one's rest

(59:20):
in peace as freely. Why is Microsoft's voice clone artificial
intelligence scary? Dave Hatter?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, all of these voice cleaning capabilities are scary. This
Microsoft thing was called Windows Speak to Me, and it
was really designed for people who were having like medical
issues where they might be losing their voice. But it
really points out and this technology just gets better and
better and better all the time. And I cannot reiterate
enough to people how easy it is to clone someone's voice.

(59:48):
Now I get told all the time, well, I'm not
a celebrity like Brian Thomas or some TV news reporter,
how would you get my voice? And my answer is always, well,
even if you don't use social media, if you have
a voicemail greeting on your phone, your office phone, your
cell phone, your home phone, if I call that, I
can record your voice from that and put it into

(01:00:10):
one of these voice cloning models. Again, in this case,
Microsoft's Windows Speak to Me, which is never speak for me, rather,
which is really never fully materialized and probably good because
again a lot of concerns have been raised about it.
But I can easily clone your voice and make something
that sounds exactly like you. I can leave messages, and

(01:00:30):
as this technology progresses, you know, possibly even have a
real time conversation with someone. One of my warnings to
folks is if you get a phone call and it's
from someone who you seem to know, and there's a
weird pause every time they answer you after you speak,
it is entirely possible that they are literally typing in

(01:00:50):
the response, hitting a button and the computer is generating
what you're hearing on the other end. And as far
fast as this might sound, Brian, there are well documented
cases where people have been scammed individuals and companies. There's
the CEO of Ferrari's voice was cloned and used to
try to scam the CFO of Ferrari. This is all
well documented, so to me, while this particular technology is

(01:01:14):
kind of half baked and it doesn't look like it's
probably going to be released partially because of some of
these kind of concerns, anyone right now can go to
a search and find a website that they can sign
up for a free account. I've done this to prove
that this works and close someone's voice. And in fact,
just one last thing on this, I had a reporter
out of Columbus call me up, Steve Levine. We actually

(01:01:34):
did an interview where we got out his phone, we
played his voicemail greeting and recorded it with my computer.
And the article hasn't aired yet, they're saving it until November.
But you'll literally be able to watch me type and
hit a button and his voice comes out after you
watched me recording his voice office phone. Well it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Well, you know it's so real, Dave. You brought this
up before I went out to lunch with my mom
multiple weeks ago, and I said, if you ever get
a call from me and it's one of those, I'm
at the police station. I've been arrested. Any call suggesting
that I need money, Mom, I will never ever ever
call you and ask for money or anything like that.

(01:02:15):
I said, that's a red flag in and of itself.
I said, we need to establish a code word. So
if you ever are questioning whether or not it's me
on the line, then ask this question, what is our password?
And artificial intelligence won't know it. They could There's no
way in hell anyone could ever know what the word
is that we established together. So that's an easy fix.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
And that's the best fix. The next best fix is
to try to ask something that only that person would know.
But keep in mind, there's so much data leaked about
us now finding a question that the bad guys might
not know the answer to is getting increasingly difficult. The
best thing is to do what you just describe, Brian,
have a secret phrase that's only known between you and
your family, your partner, whatever, so that when this happens,

(01:02:57):
because it will eventually probably happen to you, that's you know,
you have it at that defense in place.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
That's true, and I acknowledge that there is a lot
of data out there, but you'd have to say something
like the actual suggestion, like, let's say the word we
chose is the dog's name. If you say what's your
dog's name, that's information NA might have. But if you say,
what's our secret password, yes, there's no way in hell
anybody could ever know even what category your password is in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So exactly that's the question that is definitely the best
way to try to defend against this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yes, what is our password? Period you're out of the trouble,
so take the time to do that. It doesn't work
in a corporate environment though, because what CEO could actually
pass down this information without that type of question and
answer being brought to everybody's light and becoming well known.
So it only works I think in familial environments are
between close friends. Anyhow, something to keep in mind to

(01:03:51):
protect you. Six four to fifty five KRC Detalk Station.
Always enjoy Fridays with Dave Hatter chech Friday with Dave
had again interest it dot Com. David and the crew
will help you out with your business computer needs. So
you've got a big conference coming up day. What's this
all about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, Brian, it's conference season today. Actually is NKU Cyber eighteen.
That's an annual conference that's geared towards cybersecurity professionals. But
Queen Citycon this is our third year of this. It's
a three day conference here in Cincinnati downtown at the Hyatt.
One of the things that's nice about it is whether
you're sort of a hobbyist or a professional, we're anywhere

(01:04:26):
in between. A student that's looking to get into the field,
someone that's recently graduated, there'll be something there for you.
You can come for one day, you can come for
all three days. In addition to listening to people like
me talk about various topics, there are all kinds of
what we nerds like to call villages. So if you
want to learn about a certain thing, like even a lock,

(01:04:46):
pick village Brian. Because you know physical security, this isn't
just cybersecurity. It's only info security, information security, which includes
physical security. So there's first time I ever picked a
lock was last year where you just got all these
different locks and people that know how to do it. Interesting.
So it's a cool event. Three days November seventh through
the ninth. You can find it online in queencitycon dot org.

(01:05:09):
I encourage people check it out again if you're a student,
if you know a student, there student discounts, if you're
someone that's about ready to graduate from college. Because it's
really a conference for the information security community, by the
information security community, it's all put on by volunteers. Every
single person involved in this is a volunteer and no

(01:05:29):
matter what your interest is in this, there'll be something there,
whether it's a village or a speaker or a topic.
Great education and network event and a lot of fun.
And I always like to say Brian nerds of a
feather flock together. So if you're a nerd and into
this kind of thing, this is the place you want
to be. November seventh through the ninth. The Queen City.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Con all right, website it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Is Queencitycon dot org. Volunteer opportunities, the speaker slots are
all full at this point. The volunteer opportunities, you can
get involved in these villages and it's just a great
way to network, have some fun in a lighthearted environment.
Everyone's welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
And again you can.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
See the list of speakers and the topics out there,
probably anything you could even remotely be interested in related
to cybersecurity and slice information security. There's someone talking about
it at this event.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
All right. And you mentioned networking, which suggests to me
potential career opportunity sort of focus. Are there still careers
in tech? And I know that's your job, but I
keep thinking about AI, and just from a coding perspective,
because as you know, and I think you'll confirm, so
much of the coding has already been done already. It's
sort of cut and taste kind of reality. And I

(01:06:44):
would imagine that artificial intelligence could probably engage in the
process of even gathering, cutting, and pasting things together to
deal with programming. So is that the direction we're going?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
What you've touched on an interesting topic in the field
artificial intelligence coding is off called vibe coding. This idea
that you can just open up something like rock and
tell it what you want and it'll throw out some code.
And while that is true, I think people are finding
that it's a lot. It's really good at here's some

(01:07:16):
programming code, some software, and it's got a bug. Help
me figure out what the bug in this is. It's
really good at that sort of thing. It's also really
good at creating small bits of code to do certain
tasks what it can't do yet. And we're also finding
it doesn't typically doesn't focus on security and things like that,
so it creates code that will frequently be full of vulnerabilities.

(01:07:38):
Is you can't just sit down and say, write me
an enterprise relationship management software application for my business.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
So that information.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, it just like if you told someone, if you
sat down and told a programmer that unless the programmer
knows all about ERP and business and so forth, they
wouldn't know how to do it either. That's the exactly
the problem, Brian, gotcha. And what you're seeing is a
lot of people will use these tools. It'll throw out
a bunch of code. Well, the code is garbage. It
doesn't really do what you want. And you know, as
a guy who spent twenty five years doing that before

(01:08:12):
I got into a full cybersecurity play, you know where
most projects would go wrong wouldn't be that the programmers
couldn't write the code to make the computer do what
you wanted. It's there was a disconnect between the people
asking you for what something to build and you not
knowing the right questions to ask to get the knowledge
you need to build what they want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
So you know, I'm not saying we won't get to
a place in the future where you know, you won't
need programmers, but I've been hearing that since the day
I walked out of college in ninety two, and we
still need programmers fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I'm just curious to ask the question because you know,
my son does a lot of that computer type work, Dave,
and just want to know what, God, what is futures
all about?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I think I think the market is changing somewhat because
of AI, and certainly AI can be a tool if
you understand how to use it care that will make
you a lot more productive. But you know, there's a
lot of problems with it. We've talked about the hallucination
angle before. And if I don't really know anything about
software and I have it write some code for me,
and I don't really know how to evaluate, does that

(01:09:14):
code do what I want? Is that code secure? Is
that code going to solve my problem? Sometimes I'm worse
oft than if I just figured out how to do
it myself. So we're moving fast in a direction to
where there may be a bigger impact on these jobs.
But for the time being, in certain spaces there are
some serious impacts. But overall, we still need people to

(01:09:35):
do a lot of this stuff, and people to check
the output of these things to make sure that it's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Check your work important important advice for all people using
artificial intelligence. Check.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Especially Brian like the attorneys he show up in courtat
brief that refer to cases that never existed. It's a
big problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Is it's beyond a problem, and it just suggests such
a gross level of incomm in some stupidity that I
can't believe they even got through law school, let alone
past a bar exam. Yeah, I'm talking to you, not
checking your citations. Dave Patter, always a pleasure having another
fifty five Karasey Morning show interest it dot com. Thanks
for Interest for sponsoring the segment. Always valuable information. And

(01:10:17):
enjoy yourself at the conference, Dave. And so maybe you
see a lot of my listeners there accepting your invitation
to show up. We'll talk next Friday. I hope you
have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Ah, It's my pleasure. Brian Joe, thanks for the kiss.
Nod in Ace.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Railey, There you go, six fifty seven and rest in peace.
Fifty five Carecity Talk Station soon to be hopefully, Dear God,
vote for Steve Goodin. It's seven oh six. It is Friday.

(01:10:54):
Stating the obvious, but I like to remind people put
a smile on your face just for the fact that
it's Friday. Another reason to put a smile on your
We do have some great options as we fast approach
the November elections. Since I City Council, we have a
multitude of candidates to choose from, some I think are
worth voting for and some or others. Some have a
demonstrable record of success and have shown the logic and
reason and maybe some really great ideas for the city,

(01:11:16):
oftentimes rejected by the overwhelming presence of one hundred percent
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How about voting for Steve Gooden from the law firm
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good And it's always a pleasure talking.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
With you, Brian, and thank you for the kind words.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
It's there. They come from the heart, my friend. And
I just just doubling back on all the times you've
been on the program to talk about some the pending
legal cases that are drawing national attention or even local attention.
You do such a wonderful job boiling it down to
you know, easily understandable principles and facts, but you stay
right on top of it. And I know you do
a great job representing your client. So I just think

(01:12:00):
thanks for all the time you spent with my listeners
and me helping us unpack these things over the years,
and let us try to unpack what's going on in
downtown Cincinnati. See running for council early verting's open, get
in touch and vote for Steve. So it sounds to
me like Aft Purvol is now admitting we have a
problem with crime in downtown Cincinnati, because forever he was
saying no, no, no, no no, you don't believe your own eyes,

(01:12:21):
just you have this wrong perception. Crime's actually down. And
yet every morning, like today, we wake up another person
murdered in downtown Sincinnati two o'clock this morning. And he
has now released some updated crime fightings quote unquote solutions.
I'm doing the quote things with my fingers, including accepting
four days of Ohio State patrol in the city of

(01:12:44):
Cincinnati as opposed to an entire month's worth, which is
what the governor offered him, among other things. Andre Ewing's
on yesterday saying, wait a second, why wouldn't you just
take everything the state has to offer, will supplement the
depleted ranks, and let's see if that works. So by
even accepting something from the state, I believe he is
acknowledging as a crime problem and pivoting over. There was

(01:13:04):
rumors that he was getting ready to fire police Chief
Teresa Thiji. I guess because of crime. How do you
unpackage this part, Steve Gooden.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Well, I mean, well, the headline here is really simple,
which is the city's you know, four year experiment in
not really enforcing crime our basic laws downtown is a failure.
I mean, you know, both the mayor and and the
chief have been saying that their focus has been on

(01:13:35):
compliance and not enforcement, and I didn't know what in
the world that meant, but you know, what it basically
has boiled down to is whether it's open air pot smoking, loitering, fighting,
breaking the curfew which has always been in existence for
our youth, or just other you know, terrible anti social behaviors,

(01:13:58):
public urination and the homeless population that it's been downtown, graffiti,
you name it. They're not really arresting anyone. The directives
to the police from the chief, through the mayor and
the city manager and bought into by council was we're
just going to tell people to move on. We might
give them a warning, we're not going to enforce because

(01:14:20):
we don't want bad crime stats downtown. And what has
happened over four years is there is this sense of
lawlessness which has now attracted real violence. I mean, you know,
some people call this the broken windows theory. When you
let the little things go over time, they become big things.
And that is what has happened right in the heart
of downtown in and over the Rhine where through three CDC,

(01:14:42):
the city and its partnership investment over three billion dollars
in rehabbing old properties and bringing businesses in and have
lured all this private investment in and now it is
all in danger because of this bizarre politically correct and
non enforcement quote quote compliance over in horsement theory where
they have a large homeless population move in, drugs are back,

(01:15:05):
violence is back. The downtown reeks and pot smoke during
the middle of the workday and people don't feel safe.
My office bart as you know, is right off this street,
right by Government Square. Our staff is afraid to walk
down the street to go to the subway or wherever
they go for lunch. They're afraid to go out because
there have been two shootings right by our office during

(01:15:29):
daylight hours within the last five days. It is a
disgraceful situation and it is only a matter of time
before we see more folks pulling out of downtown if
someone doesn't do something and look at I'm all for that.
I was very early on saying that the chief has
to go. I think she's lost the confidence of the
rank and file. I know the FOP and others disagree.

(01:15:50):
They think she's being made a scapegoat, and I think
that's true to a certain extent. But she went along
with this stuff. She had to know better. I mean,
she was an excellent I knew we're back. It's an
excellent police officer. She was coming up through the ranks.
You cannot have this weird social experiment. This is like
you did in San Francisco or Portland, where you don't

(01:16:13):
enforce basic laws and not see an uptick over time
in real violent crime. And that's what's happened here. When
you strip everything away, it's very plain they have a
public record of this where they made a decision not
to enforce these smaller things like in a pot, smoking, loitering, graffiti,
public urination, and now you havel. Now you have murders, fights,

(01:16:37):
gun battles, literally, gun battles in front of the federal courthouse.
Some Monday night. Two guys shooting at each other at
five point fifteen in the afternoon. It's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
So Steve Goodin, what I'm hearing is that while the
statistics themselves may suggest crime is down, the nature of
policing under the current administration is to not issue citations
or otherwise arrest people, which would be reflected on the
crime statistics book. So move along, son, you know, put
the knife down or drop the gun and move along.

(01:17:07):
That's not going to get reported. Uh So it gives
the appearance that crime has actually done, at least statistically,
while the reality is everybody sees with their own eyes
that it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
That's exactly right. And actually and it goes way deeper
than that, Brian, I mean, we know and I know
of two instances for you know, personally where I know
people who were involved or whose property was damaged, where
people have had their windows shot out, like particularly in
the West End, their car windows and in one case

(01:17:37):
the window to their home shot out, and it was
just listed you know as a property crime, you know,
instead of the gun like you know, you have a
you know, gun fire in your neighborhood. That's very different
than the kid throwing a rock through your window or
something or you know, something that you know from you know,
so that shows up as just like a small property
in fraction because no one is arrested. So we know
they've been playing games in other ways in terms of

(01:17:59):
how they And that's one of the things that I
really do kind of fault the current police command with
is they've gone along with that. They know that it
doesn't reflect the lived reality of what's out there the rank.
And while police officers know that too, I mean they
know the city has become more violent, particularly in terms
of gun violence, and not just downtown. The gun violence

(01:18:20):
has popped up in numerous other neighborhoods. We know we
have an uptick, a real strong uptick in property cars,
in car thefts, and neighborhoods like Hyde Park and Outlookout
that's not being addressed or mentioned at all. And that's
something that is undeniable by any statistic I know one
person on a in Mount Lookout who actually had his

(01:18:40):
car stolen out of his garage two weeks ago. Oh
my god, you know there are professional his attached garage.
It's a burdenary the god that he gets up and
goes down to work in the morning, four cars have
been broken into in a street and his car has
gone from his own garage, And this stuff just isn't
being talked about because that doesn't fit the narrative. They

(01:19:01):
want to argue that in theory, crime is down overall
in the city, but depending on where you live, it
has become very, very dangerous. And look, it's not just
about downtown. I think we have been too centric in
terms of putting development dollars downtown and not investing in
the neighborhoods in terms of development. But if we lose
what they've built downtown, it's going to be a multi

(01:19:24):
billion dollar tragedy. And a lot of people, particularly the
small business owners who've been allured into downtown thinking it's
a good place to invest their life savings and open
a restaurant or a small shop or whatever. They're the
ones who are really, really, really going to get hurt here.
And it's already starting to happen. And it's an absolute tragedy,
and it was absolutely avoidable with a little bit of

(01:19:45):
foresight and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Common sense and a different administration. Time for a change
in administration, vote apgodin dot Com will bring Steve goodenback
on other issues at seven fifteen. Right now, if you
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Thomas with Steve Gooden right for since a City Council

(01:20:07):
Steve vote Gooden dot com. Real quick here, Steve, before
we leave the crime component, I just want to make
sure I'm clear on this, at least as I perceive it.
After that, Parvall and Scherlong city manager are the ones
that decided that she would be chief. They selected her
over the objections of the police department, which wanted somebody else.
But that's okay, fine. They picked her because they're allowed

(01:20:29):
to after the passage of Issue five some years ago.
They apparently are directing her. You mentioned how good of
a police officer police Chief Fiji was and that she
has qualified for the job. So I presume she has
a sound understanding of the laws and arresting people and
what the laws are on the books and who's subject
to arrest, but that it's not happening now, which means
she is following the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Will.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
I'll characterize it as woke politics of Parval and Cheryl
Long and the current administration. So she's taking their directive
and moving in this low arrest sort of you know,
move along type police patrol environment, which now they're threatening
to fire her because of crime in downtown Cincinnati, and

(01:21:14):
they're firing her because she followed what they instructed her
to do. That's the way I'm hearing it. Am I
you think I'm close.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
I think you're if anything, you're being too charitable to
what happened. I mean, look, I mean what they're doing
isn't just woke. I mean woke is some like goofy
college professor fighting about pronouns. This is extraordinarily woke. I mean,
this is all This is like the woke stuff taken
to a point where it's a destructive and sort of Yes, absolutely,

(01:21:42):
I mean, I mean they really have. And I know
this from a personal conversation I had with the chief
about eighteen months ago. Of course, she's very mad at
me now because I've been publicly critical. Lovers, we're not
really talking anymore, but I mean, you know, I mean, look,
they made a conscious decision to move away from a

(01:22:03):
lot of enforcement. I mean the speed humps that you
see all over the city are designed to slow drivers
down and are blatantly designed to to to as they say,
lessen police interactions with citizens. So basically, instead of patrolling
the streets and enforcing speeding, you got these speed humps. So,

(01:22:23):
as I say, every time you drive over one of
these things, and they spent millions on them, I mean,
you're seeing like some defunding of the police right in
the speed humps. It is an excuse to keep police
staffing levels low. It is an excuse not to enforce
our speeding laws and actually pull drivers over, which we
know is one of the most powerful ways of getting
guns off the street. From my time as a prosecutor.

(01:22:44):
You know, it was a very common occurrence for someone
to pull over someone for a traffic infraction. You roll
down the window, the person either smells of alcohol or
marijuana or what have you, do, you have grounds to
get them out of the car, and oh, look there's
a gun on the front seat, and then you could's
that's one of the ways you get guns. That you
used traffic laws to actually get guns off the street.
We don't do that anymore, per her direction, And you're

(01:23:06):
right look, I mean, you know, I was a prosecutor
for many years. You know, I started that job almost
twenty five years ago this month actually, And you know Fiji,
as a police officer back in the States, really did
have the support of the rank and file. She comes
from a great family of police officers. I mean, she
was out there, you know, on the street making arrests.

(01:23:27):
She came up through the rank. She was a police
officer for I think thirty one years. Nobody's going to
have anything bad to say about what she did as
a police officer. But as a chief, she went along
with this agenda. She had participated in the really blatantly
political vibe that they have in terms of policing there.

(01:23:48):
She wasn't pushing back publicly. She was an apologist for
this agenda that the mayor has. She provided political cover
for him. And one of the things that really turned
my stomach is she's actually a piece of mail just
two days ago with one of the I think one
of the most lost city council member is this guy,
Mark Jefferies. He's the most out there I think of

(01:24:09):
the group because he pretends to be like a business
guy but really is part of this woke mess, and
she's like in the campaign literature with them in uniform,
which is blatantly illegal. I mean, she's been playing this
political game with the folks who are supervising her, and
it's just wrong. And i mean, look, if you're going
to live by the swords, you dive with the sword.

(01:24:29):
She's become a political actor right now, and she's now
her career is going to meet its demise on political
alliance because it's politically expedient.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
To get rid of her. Well, you know what, I'm
reminded of George Orwell animal farm and Boxer fought for
the cause and died for the car and ended up
being sent off to the glue factory after serving the
cause as one of the most loyal folks. So here
she is serving the ft, have pro of all woke
agenda cause, not doing law enforcement the way she understood
it and used to do it. And then because crime
is bad and because people aren't happy with the current

(01:25:00):
status law enforcement, she ends up losing your job maybe
because of that. Interesting that Steve Gooden, Well, I'll tell
you what. Porta Wright's a place to find Steve Gooden
for lost stuff. Votegodin dot com online to help him
out with the campaign and see upright hand corner. Donate,
get involved, maybe due to some door knock and get
us a yard sign. Steve, I wish you all the best.
I appreciate you willing us to come on the show

(01:25:21):
and talk about these issues. And I think you'd be
a welcome welcome edition for the City of Cincinnati as
a council member.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Again, thank you. I think they need a grumpy middle
aged man, that's what I bring, So thank.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
You very much, self appointed moniker. Thanks Steve good and
grumpy man. We'll have you back on again soon, hopefully
before the election. Again stick around. Speaking of folks onner
for Since a City Council, Gary Favors returns today. Have
a happy one to you, Brian Thomas. Please to welcome
on the heels of talking with Steve Gooden running for
Since a City Council. We have another city council candidate
who's gotten some outstanding endorsements. Welcome to the fifty five

(01:25:57):
care City at Morning Show. Gary Favors. You can find
him online, help out his campaign, maybe donate to it
It favors for the word for not the number Favors
for Cincinnati dot Com Gary, it's great to have you
on the morning show.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
Thank you Brian for having me this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Now, real quick here before I let my listeners know
about these outstanding endorsements. What is prompting you to run
for Cincinnati City Council. I know you've been twenty five
years as a special education teacher with the Cincinnati Public Schools.
You are a decorated Army veteran, and salute to you
for your service to our country. What does Gary Favors
want to do for the City of Cincinnati as a

(01:26:33):
council member?

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
Well, the first thing, number one, thank you for recognizing
my service as a veteran and someone who's been in
service as a teacher veteran. I believe in service, number one.
I believe in serving people. And the city of Cincinnati

(01:26:57):
is near and dear to my heart. I graduated from
Roger Bacon High School, went off to college Carson Newman College,
then did a twelve year stint in the military where
I served in the Gulf War, and then came back
and pursued my career in education. So I have a

(01:27:19):
history of service, I have a history of serving people,
and really, at this time, we need leaders. We need
leaders that will step up and lead the city and
bring the city back to what I call its original state.
We have a lot of crime that's evident last night

(01:27:40):
and this morning, and so there's just a lot of
challenges in the city that we need to address, and
I feel it's time for me to step up and
put my skill sets in action.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Well one of those folks that agrees with you and
has endorsed you, gentlemen who come of my morning show program.
He's often he is willing to do so. A guy
that I love and I've known for years, Ken Blackwell.
You've got Ken Blackwell's endorsement. I think that is an
impressive endorsement that because those don't necessarily come easy, mister.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Favors, No, it doesn't. And I grew up under the
Ken Blackwell here as a council member, as he was
a council member and a mayor, so I got to
see Ken Blackwell in action. So I take that endorsement

(01:28:35):
near and dear to my heart rather and hold it
in treasure that he would endorse me. So it is
a great honor along with some of the other endorsements
that I have. But I think that is probably one
of the greatest honors that have someone at his stature.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Hey man, that carries a lot of endorsement, but most
notly for me. But ignore my opinion, but my listening
audience thoroughly appreciates with the work of Ken Blackwell over
the years. You also, not to understate the value of it.
The Fraternal Order of Police have endorsed you, the Hamlin
County GOP has endorsed you, and you also got the
endorsement of the Right to Life for Greater Cincinnati. So
you're racking them up, Gary, and I think a lot

(01:29:16):
of people see some really really positive in you, and
I want to pivot over as we go to the
break to ask I want to ask you about the
youth I know you've had. You actually taught incarcerated juveniles
facing charges of murder and aggravated robbery, rape, and some
other very serious crimes when you're over teaching at the
Hemlin County Justice Center. I want to talk to you
about your experience there, because we seem to have a

(01:29:38):
tremendous problem with young people these days. We'll talk more
with Council candidate Gary Favors find them online Favors for
Cincinnati dot Com. After I mentioned foreign exchange because I
want you to have a great automotive repair ge Detalk station.
Have you Friday Ron Thomas talking with since a council
candidate Gary Favors favors for Cincinnati dot com where you

(01:29:58):
find Gary learned about his issues and he's all about
And I know you have education experience or you were
a teacher. You were twenty five years of special education
teacher and since the public schools. But also you did
some work at the Hamilton County Justice Center where some
juveniles in jail and they had some serious crimes they
were charged with. You worked with them, You reached out
with them, You tried to be an inspiration for them.
You've got to, you know, singing praise from Marion Alswagger,

(01:30:20):
the Adult Education coordinated there a Hamilt County Sheriff's Office
on your web page, Gary, we have a problem with
youth in downtown Cincinnat. Now you have to have purvol Recently,
I guess decided that he is going to allow Police
Chief Fiji and the police officer to enforce the curfew,
a curfew that was on the books for a long
time but rarely enforced. And there may be some reasons
for that, But how is it and where's this problem

(01:30:42):
coming from? As much time as you spent with young people,
do you put your finger on the exact cause of
these problems? Because as I see from the comments about you,
you're the one that came in every day, listened to
these young people, gave them inspiration, You gave them a
sense of purpose and hope. I always go back to
the point my mom and dad did that for me. Gary.
You know, if you have a stable home life, you've

(01:31:03):
got parents looking out for you and wondering where in
the hell you are at one o'clock in the morning.
You know, that's what actually works. Is that the genesis
of society's problems, or maybe just the problems in the
city of Cincinnati, or is it something that transcends that, Gary.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Well, I think Brian, you sort of not sort of
you hit it on the nail on the head, is
that we have lost that family piece. I grew up
with a mom and dad who stressed education. That was
my primary job. Let's go to school, get a good education,

(01:31:41):
listen to the teachers, respect one another, and to value
my faith in God. So my parents instilled in me
the values of what and I thank God where I

(01:32:01):
am now, I would be where I am now if
it wouldn't have been for my church family. So it's
that village. Yes, I think we've lost that village of family,
and so that is an overwhelming issue. I think when
our young people are doing things that are out of character,

(01:32:26):
out of pocket, that they want to be heard, They
want to be listened to. And the primary thing I
think our kids want is they want to see after
high school, can they land a job that's making a
decent salary that they can live on and become productive citizens.

(01:32:50):
I think one of the things I've often said, we've
missed the art of the trade.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Amen.

Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
It's the art of getting our kids steered in to
jobs that will lead to high paying salary jobs that
they want to have. So I think we need to
work with our school system to address and help them
address some of the things that they need support on

(01:33:19):
with sin say public and helping our kids with mentorships
in some of these trades. And I think we have
some things going on in the city, but we need
to collaborate better. We have a lot of good things
going on in the city, but it needs to be
a joint effort of collaboration, and some of these things

(01:33:41):
may be in place, but I bring those skill sets
to the table with city council and my hope is
the voters will see that my education background and years
of experience working at Gamble High School Woodward High School
to help kids and to live in and to help

(01:34:04):
families is what I believe in. And advocating for families.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
And helping families, and here's where I wanted to go,
and I want to get your reaction to this. Quite often,
you know, if law enforcement is left with the aftermath
of a terrible home life, or you know, parents that
don't care, or parents that aren't present parents, maybe you
have drug or alcohol issues, whatever, they're not caring about
their kids. They're not raising them RESPONSI but they aren't
raising them to have the respect that your mom and

(01:34:30):
dad taught you that you know, you had to go
to school that was in your mom and dad insisted
on it. Same with mine. I always mentioned the greatest
gift my parents ever gave me, beyond life, was education.
They were insistent about that. All these outreach programs, teachers
are left with unruly students that come from these problematic
home lives. Would it be a better direction to focus

(01:34:52):
if we're going to focus government resources on something. And
I'm not saying don't have youth programs, but how about
programs directed at new parents or parents generally to get
them on the right track and remind them how important
they are to play an active role in their children's lives.
Are going to end up with a you know, another
criminal element coming out on the streets. Is that even
a concept that anybody's considered, Gary, Yeah, And.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
You're right on point, Brian, is that I think we
haven't looked at helping our parents because what I found
that some of our parents are very young, Yeah, and
they're trying to work. They're trying to hold out a
job too. They're trying to do the best they can.
And I think a lot of our parents are trying

(01:35:37):
to do the best best they can. A lot of
our kids are being raised by grandparents, right, And I
work with the family. A young man that's being raised
by his great great grandmother at one point if she
passed away. So we're talking about two to three generations.
So I think we we have to look at the

(01:35:59):
whole family. We have to look at where can the
church fit in, where can and it's there is no
single answer that's going to solve the problem. But I
think the church has a huge piece of play in
in our community and helping our kids. We just need

(01:36:23):
to what I call do the basics, go back to
the basics. Our community is filled with resources, Talbot House,
You've got so many social agencies in the city that
can lend a hand. How can we work together. Talbt
House has an excellent program for dads helping dads. Have

(01:36:44):
a father right now who's very involved with this child's education,
and he's a single day and I applaud him stepping
up and advocating for his child and making sure his
child gets what he needs and getting the education he
so deserves. So I just think it goes back to

(01:37:07):
when I was growing up. I had so many people.
Even if I stepped out a line, there would have
been neighbors, there would have been the church, there would
have been a whole flew of people around me saying
you gotta change, You got to turn this around right
and get back on track. So I was blessed, and
I do understand that, you know, parents are overwhelmed, but

(01:37:33):
we need to bring back the village that I so
often talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Right, Well, you know it takes that engaged parent, though
I mean, I mean part of me wants to say, well,
that's a job of a parent. You know, why would
we need a program to have someone actually caring about
their own offspring. But this is the reality we have.
You know, I'll just get an introjection with it about church.
It's the parents. It's the family that will introduce a
young person to the concept of religion. And I'll tell
you what. That's the way it happened to my family, Gary.

(01:37:59):
And when mom and dad weren't around and I was
hanging out with my buds, you know who I was
worried about looking down over me and what bad things
I might do. It was God right. There was always
that extra parent right there who could see everything and
know everything, and you couldn't escape him. Look one more
with Gary Favors are going to ask you about, Oh
is that it is that all the time we have?

(01:38:20):
Oh Gary, I'm sorry, I want to ask you about
affordable housing, but apparently you don't have any additional time.

Speaker 6 (01:38:26):
So yes, I do have to get to work and
serve my families and my kids, which I'm holding very
high esteem. But you know weekend, definitely come back good
and carry on this conversation. But Favors for Cincinnati is
my website.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Took the words right out of my mouth, Gary Favors.
It's been a pleasure. We'll get you back on before
the election because I do want to ask you about
what is affordable housing and your ideas about it. Thanks Gary,
have a wonderful weekend, seven forty seven. Right now if
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(01:39:07):
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Get all your content whatever you happen to be at
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name of his podcast, produced by Joe Strecker. He's always
following what I will just boil down to call shenanigans
in the city of Cincinnati. He looks for records, he

(01:39:28):
follows the money. He asks for documents that are supposed
to exist. He finds out that well, we don't have
a very transparent administration in spite of the fact I
believe I have to have provol ran on transparency. We
will get to a con and a point on that
later in the program. Todd Zenzer, it is a pleasure
to have you back in former Inspector General for the
United States of America. Good to see you. Thank you, Brian,
and thank you so much. And I sang your praises

(01:39:50):
this morning. I don't think the city of Cincinnaate knows
how blessed they are to have you and your understanding
of how things work behind the scenes, coupled with in retirement,
your willingness to go after and look for all these
things and do all this leg work, and have you
lifting to get the answers that you're looking for for
the residents of the city, Like what the hell are

(01:40:11):
tax payer dollars being used for?

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Yeah, I think that's what people want. My view is
if people don't mind paying taxes as long as the
taxes that they're paying are being used properly and for
things that are needed to be done right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
I mean, you know, in the private industry world, we
get to pick and choose who is going to be
the recipient of our hard earned dollars. We don't get
any choice in the matter. At minimum, these people should
have some measure of understanding or some concept of a
fiduciary obligation that it owes to you, me and everybody
else who works and pays taxes to keep them well,

(01:40:46):
keep them in their salaries and all these other programs.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
That we fund. Yeah, that's exactly right. And actually that's
one of the big issues I have with the way
that iris Rollie was contracted with and the way they
manage that contract. I have to believe that the contracting
staff and the management staff at the city are better
than that. Did they they let they let a very

(01:41:08):
lax process go through and you know, make all these
payments to this contractor, and the paperwork is terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Terrible And if you're scratching your head, going, wait, huh,
who iris Roli is? Well, it was involved with the
establishment of the Collaborative Agreement after the riots back in
was it two thousand and one? Yes, long time ago.
She has been a constant presence in activism, if I
can boil it down in the city since that time.

(01:41:38):
She has been under contract. She's like a a ten
ninety nine employee of sorts, right, I mean she does.
She doesn't have a direct job with or for the city.
She's not a city employee. She's a subcontract the city,
like an NGO that we're paying to do work in
the community. Correct, So her current role is is what
she's getting? Five on? How what's the terms of her contrac?

(01:42:00):
How many years and how much money is she going
to make it?

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Well, the current contract is a is a three year
contract that was signed off in two thousand and twenty four,
and that was an amendment to a twenty and twenty
three contract. But the current contract is for three years,
and that includes a salary for miss Rolli that is

(01:42:29):
over three hundred thousand dollars. And then the contract also
includes money for a initiative on Government Square. They call
it the Government Square Initiative, And that's another I believe
it's two hundred and twenty five thousand. The math on
it that I calculated was the value of the contract

(01:42:52):
was five hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Right, Is there a job description in there, like you
normally hear what you're expected to do? And also is
she paid an hourly rate? Is? How does she charge
the city because we're going to talk about some of
the bills that she submitted to the City Cincinnati invoices. Right,
So what within the contract explains how these invoice processes work,

(01:43:15):
how much she's supposed to get, what her day to
day responsibilities are. I mean, are we getting an eight
hour work day in return for all of this money?
That kind of thing. The basic conditions, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Well, a lot of that I can't answer. But the
scope of services in the contract, there were three basic
scope of services. One was to kind of refresh the
what's called the Management Advisory Group, which was established under
the Collaborative Agreement and which iris Rolli was a member
of that management group and I believe she either is

(01:43:50):
still a member or is responsible for kind of managing
that group under this contract. The second one was to
engage the community one way or the other. It's not
very specific, but there's community engagement that that she's required
to to to engage.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
And you and I could go all day long on
what in the hell that means? Right, community engagement.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Well, it's spelled it is spelled out a little more
in the contract itself, but when you look at the invoices,
it gets a much broader.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Yeah, you're we're going to get to that, folks. Just wait,
wait for that bomb. That's the bomb that's going to
drop in.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
And then there's a there's an aspect of the collaborative
Agreement called problem The big thing about the Collaborative Agreement
is this problem solving, community problem solving. And they use
a technique called SARAH, which stands for scanning assessment or
scanning Analysis, Response and Assessment. So and she will she'll

(01:44:56):
train groups on how that works. You know, what can
be accomplished with that method. And those are the three
big ticket items in the in the contract.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
As to the latter, since the collaborative Agreement dealt with
policing in the city, this scanning and reviewing or whatever
this protocol is that it relates to individual police interactions
with the community, arrests and issuance of citations and things
like that. Or does it go outside of police activity.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Oh, it definitely goes outside of police activity. It's it's
to identify problems in the neighborhood or in the community.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Like the breakdown of the nuclear family for example.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Well, I don't know if it goes to that point,
but I'm sorry, I go there and you know, how
do we how do we deal with this problem? And
so the police are involved the community. It's supposed to
be kind of a collaborative.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Effort, okay, but at its core, does it relate to crime,
like getting ahead of things that cause or create problems
that result in criminal activity? I guess I'm I think
a collaborative agreement. What started it? The riots, the accusations
of racism, the accusations of pulling over people over driving
while black. I mean, we know all the genesis behind it,
but it had to do with law enforcement. It sounds

(01:46:16):
to me like she's been hired in a role that's
much broader than her initial involvement.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
If you look at her invoices, they answer that, yes,
it's much much broader than what it looks like in
the contract.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
But here we go. Can we tell from the invoice
is exactly what she's doing out in the world on
a day to day basis? I would say, no, okay,
let's talk this. You got a whole bunch of them.
You looked into this. Yeah, and she submits a monthly
invoice correct, correct, and to best of your knowledge, it's
all been paid correct.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Yes, So.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
What what are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
We talking about here? And I mentioned she. When I
was an attorney billing hours, you had a certain obligation
to put enough information know in your billing form to
justify the hourly charge you were going to do. Like
I reviewed documents, you know X through Y, you know
tax years nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty five. You had
to put a sufficient explanation of what you did to
justify the bill you're sett into the client. Does her

(01:47:14):
invoice show any of that kind of detailed information.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
Well, the contract requires a detailed timekeeping and an activity log,
So the invoices don't reflect any time keeping. The invoices
identify maybe seven or eight different areas or things that
she devoted time to. There's no details to it, and

(01:47:40):
there's no time associated with any of those activities. And
in twenty twenty three, for example, there are five invoices,
five monthly invoices that say the exact same thing. And
so without those kind of activity logs, you don't though
whether those five things are duplicates or whether there's different

(01:48:08):
activities under each of those categories. There's just nothing there
to really determine what she worked on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Well, you indicated also your research determined that five of
the seven invoices also had identical misspellings, meaning the only
thing that's different between them is maybe the date that
it was sent out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Yes, that's the only difference. And you know the real
problem is that there's no information underneath each item, each
of those seven items on these invoices to say how
this month is different than last month. Because if you
can't differentiate between the activities on each of the invoices,

(01:48:54):
it looks like you're paying for the same thing five times.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Well that's the appearance that. That's what I came away
with after I was looking at your analysis on this.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
Right, and see I had to be. I waited to
disclose all these invoices because I was hopeful that the
city would come through with some additional documentation and some
additional information to give us a better picture of it.
But it's been over a month since I had since
I had received the initial a batch of documents, and

(01:49:23):
I don't know how long I'm supposed to wait before
I report out on this stuff. So I just reported out.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Right, which means if they have additional documents that fill
in the missing information back behind the scenes, they can say, oh, oh,
todds In's or you jump to conclusions. Here's all the
details supporting the monthly bill, which contains literally no information
we can use. Yeah, well, you don't expect that day
to come.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
I unfortunately I don't, but I would be happy to
take that information and revise what you know my conclusions here.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
I know you will. We have much many more shenanigans
to reveal here with Todd Sen's or Citizen watch Dog
on the fifty five CAC Morning Show. He'll be in
studio for the full hour. Please do not go away.
Fifty five KRC dot com lead station. They take twenty
here fifty about Carcity Talk station. Citizen Watchdogs the name
of the podcast. Todd Zenzer, host of that podcast and

(01:50:13):
the one that's doing all the work to gather the
information that he talks about with the Citizen Watchdog podcasts
and our podcasts and also talking about here in the
fifty five carsee Morning Shoe and studio today. Now, Todd,
going back to this Irisroly contract paid a handsome amount
of money to be a some sort of outside contractor fine.
The contract requires detailed timekeeping. That's in quotes from the contract, yes,

(01:50:39):
as well as in quotes activity logs. So when you
submit an invoice under this contract, you must have detailed
timekeeping where you were, how much time you spent, what
you did, as well as the activity logs. You say
there are no activity logs. No, there's not, clearly from
what you told me, like for example, quote police chief
search close. Quote does not sound like detailed timekeeping either, No,

(01:51:04):
no hours specified for example, correct, just detailed timekeeping. What
was the invoice? I mean, what are these invoices? Run
like four or five, six or six thousand dollars?

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Or the monthly payment that she received initially was eight thousand,
three hundred and something, and then this contract what the invoices?
Monthly invoices are eighty seven fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Okay, Now I don't believe and I've never heard it
said that Iris Rowley has the City of Cincinnati's checkbook
so she can write herself checks. Someone has to approve
and authorize these payments. She submits the invoice. See, I'm
going real slow, and I'm mansplaining. I see, I'm recognizing it.

(01:51:46):
Who signed off on these? Considering it does not meet
on its face the contractual requirements.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Right well, under the contract, she reports directly to the
city manager or an assistant city manager. And most of
the invoices that I didn't see any invoices that share
a long initial off on. It's usually a assistant manager
the best I can tell. But there's only initials. Somebody
will initial it or say good to pay or something

(01:52:15):
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
But if the buck stops at the head of the
head of the class's desk, like the buck stops here,
that will be Cheryl Long. This is under her watch.
She bears ultimately responsibility for these invoices being paid.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Correct, she signed the contract.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Well, doesn't one really kind of puzzle over I know
you're puzzling over it. I'm puzzling over it. Have you
asked that question of the mayor or anybody else in
the administration?

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Well, I did send them a letter back at the
beginning of October, like I don't know, ten days ago,
twelve days ago, and I lined out all of my
issues with the contracts and I all suggested things that
they need to do to fix them. And I haven't

(01:53:05):
heard anything back. But that's not unusual either.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Okay, Well, my recollection and I know it's right because
you just showed me the quote from have to have
Pervoll when he was running for mayor back in twenty
twenty one, didn't he promise and pledge to ferret out
corruption and to be transparent? I mean you can feel
free to read his own words.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Okay. Yeah. The WKRC interviewed all the candidates running for
mayor back in twenty twenty one. I guess it was
just a mayor of pervall in, mister David Mann, But
they asked him for city council members have been indicted
on felony charges, including three for corruption charges. What will
you do to restore trust in local government? So part

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of his response he says, I think we've got to
be laser focused on finding the corruption before it starts,
and that means more transparency. And then he ended saying,
I think we've got to raise the level of our
ethical standards, make them more transparent so we can weed
this corruption out before it begins.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
How's that working out for you?

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Well? I think I mentioned that. A big issue is
I did send him a letter earlier in the summer
to help get disclosure on what Norfolk Southern spent that
six million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Oh todd Sensor, Yeah, you're doing great with a tease,
because wow, do you have a mom's at a drop
about the Norfolk Southern money? And this is folks, It
just keeps getting better and better. The hits keep coming.
We'll do more with Todd Zenzer on Norfolk Southern Shenanigans.
Oh yeah, I think provol has got a problem on
his hands. I just wish it was more widely reported

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beyond Citizen Watchdog. We'll be right back. It's eight twenty five.
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio Cey Talk Station.
Brian Thomas with former US Inspector General citizen watchdog for
the residents in the city of Cincinnati, trying to ensure
that your taxpayer dollars are being well spent, but revealing
day in and day out with what he does. Apparently

(01:55:08):
they're not Todd Zenzer. I know we're going to get
the Norfolk Southern craziness here in a second. But since
we were talking about Irish Rolly that contract, one of
the components of it, as you laid out, I believe
it was the roughly two hundred or so thousand dollars
of this north of five hundred thousand dollars contract relates

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to some program or something at Government Square. Now. Government
Square has been making into the news a lot lately,
and it's become a hotbed of crime in downtown Cincinnati.
That's where the kids hang out, that's where the fights
break out, a lot of terrible things, and of course
people who are going back and forth from the various businesses.
Steve Gooden commented on this. His law firm is real
close by. They're afraid. Yeah, what did she do or

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what it looks like things have gotten worse over the
past several years. If this is part of her responsibility,
I mean, what does she have to show for it
and what's being done right?

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
Well, back in twenty twenty four, I think they that
was the first time they initiated this Government Square initiative,
which involves in the specific case of Iris Rolly's contract,
they have four I think they call them community counselors

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or community collaborative counselors or something like that. They have
those those individuals positioned at Government Square for certain hours
when the kids will be a changing buses or whatever
it is they do down there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
In lieu of a police presidence.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
Correct, And they they have snacks and drinks that they
give to the kids I guess they have some type
of interaction with the kids to talk to them and
get to know them and things like that. And it's
another one of these alternative approaches to policing that if
they interact with these kids in a certain way rather

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than in a law enforcement way, they're going to reduce
they're going to reduce attentions. And the issue is really
whether this whole collaborative agreement really is working, because it
sure doesn't seem like it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Well that, I mean, that's my point, right. There's a
specified component in the contract that it talks about the
problems we're having a government square. Again, I don't think
anybody can say anything, but it has gotten worse. So
doose people have a special hat or something that they're
issued easily identifiable government square, you know, civil service?

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
I do think they have T shirts or something like that. Yeah, okay,
But the real problem is the way they contracted that
the original contract with IRIS was for consulting, and when
they amended the twenty twenty three contract to include the
government square initial that should have been a separate, competitive contract.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Absolutely, the sole.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
Source justification to begin with is deficient. But it's especially
deficient to say that only Iris Roley LLC can carry
out the work at Government Square. I liken it to
the Authorization for the use of military fish. It's like,
we can use this for anything, we want to give anything.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Yeah, don't give her any ideas we gave the drone
strikes lawn drone strikes launch. And then there's the other
nefarious component in here. And I'm not suggesting that all
nepotism hires are always bad in all times, but they
do draw an eye of scrutiny, Like, wait a second,

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how did their son or daughter or best friend end
up in that particular role? Do they have the requisite
skill sets to bring about whatever it is they've been
charged with doing. Enter Iris Roly's son. I believe he's
a convicted felon. Correct. Yes, Does that qualify him to
work on Government Square project?

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
Well, they don't line out the qualifications, but they should
be considered subcontractors. They're not employees of Iris Roley LLC.
They're subcontractors, and under the procurement rules, the contractor is
supposed to get permission from the city manager for any subcontractors.

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I didn't get any of those documents either, so I
really don't know who knows what about who Iris Roley
is hiring. Her son is not the only one that's
had trouble with law enforcement. There's another individual who and
this individual's brother also is one of the four. He

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was prosecuted for tax issues about ten years ago or
fourteen years ago, and that involved tens of thousands of
dollars that were withheld from this person's employees that he
didn't remit to the IRS, and then I.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Takes their tax dollars out and he doesn't hand him
over to the IRS.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
I think that is a very common problem with some employers.
But the other issue is he apparently still owes hundreds
of thousands of dollars to the IRS. Probably a lot
of that is penalties and interest, but a couple of
years ago it was like eight hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
Well, and getting money directly from the City of Cincinnati.
It sounds to me like she submits the invoices as
lacking in detail as they are, gets paid the eight
thousand dollars or whatever, and then pays her son and
the other people that are on this government square board.
The money is flowing from Iris roly LLC.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
Yes, one of the invoices that was provided by the
city includes copies of four canceled checks paid to these
four individuals, and that that was the extent of the
paperwork provided in connection with those four people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Well, that's you know, that's a lot to process and
the idea that this could go on and this could happen,
and then going back to the idea that the invoices
were specifically signed off on while they lacked all this information,
there's multiple layers of violations and built into this from
what I hear.

Speaker 4 (02:01:22):
Yeah, and what I can't figure out is it is
common for bureaucracies to do catch me if you can,
where they go ahead and they bend the rules or
even break the rules, and if you catch them, they say, oh,
we're sorry, Well we won't do it again. But in
this case, I don't know if it's really you know,
catch me if you can. I think it's just you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Know, set up intentionally loose so this kind of thing
can happen.

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
Well, yeah, that's what I would look for.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
That's why we've got Todd Zenzer. That's why we need
to keep him around. And if you vote Corey Bowman,
maybe we'll get him as city manager. I'm praying for
that day, don't. I'm not hanging you out to dry there, Todd.
I think you would help us out immeasurably. Eight thirty five.
We are going to talk about them. Get ready, folks.
I think it's getting worse as the conversation draws longer
in terms of how bad things are in terms of improprieties.

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A thirty five right now, if you have Karsite talk
station fifty five krc DC DE talk station, Hey thirty
nine if you have Kersite talk station, Happy Friday. Brian Thomas,
Swiss Citizen Watchdog, Todd Zenzer and Studio just Man. And
the more I talk to Todd and the more he reveals,
the worse I feel about the city of Cincinnati in

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the current administration. And since we do have an election
coming up againning in November, early voting going on right now,
we have a choice on mayor. And I know Corey
Moowmanent's fighting an uphill battle as a Republican in a
very blue city. But so many of the residents of
the city seem to be so upset about so many things,
and we're just adding multiple layers onto that. You got
to be a weed Dweller to talk about engage in

(02:02:52):
the level of detail that Todd Zenser is working with.
But as we're talking about DC, this is actually going
on behind the scenes. They have processes in place for
contracting and the like, they're not following them. They have
contractual obligations built into that contract. For example, with Iris Roley,
they're not being followed. That's a huge red flag. And
I'm just wondering, as we move over to Northfolk Southern

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Todd anything by way of civil or criminal statutory violations
that are suggested by what you're revealing on this.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
Well, I think I think that there are opportunities to
file lawsuits under Ohio code for their you know, their
breaching their fiduciary duties basically.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
Okay, so this might have legs along some light because
I then we have some really you know, activist lawyers
out there who are usually more than happy to see
the city for a variety of reasons.

Speaker 4 (02:03:46):
Yeah, the question, the reason I was hesitant in writing
about this is because there should be additional documentation and
it's not forthcoming. So maybe the only way to get
that is through some kind.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
Of lawsuit discovery requests pursuingtal litigation, todd Zens are pivoting
over to Norfolk Southern. Now, there was this swirling issue
about the money that was involved the marketing campaign, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (02:04:10):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
We were deciding whether or not we're going to sell the railroad.
Christopher smithm was a big no. A lot of members
accounts were big y as we ultimately sold it. Oh
my god, everything's great. One point six billion dollars in
an interest baring account. But lots of people were wondering
who in the hell funded the six million dollar ad
campaign for this one issue. You got the bottom of
that too, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:30):
Yeah. The sole contributor to the to Build Cincinnati's Future,
the Political Action Committee, The sole contributor was Norfolk Southern,
and they contributed six million dollars. And the reason they
were able to do that is because under Ohio law
on ballot issues and those campaigns, there is no limit

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on corporate contributions.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
So and there is no thing such as a conflict
of interest. Norfolk Southern is it titled to do an
ad campaign that operates in its best interest?

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
Yes, And early on it certainly looked like both the
city and the Railway Board was just going to step
back and let Norfolk Southern handle the campaign. That's basically
what happened, except that Norfolk Southern engaged the mayor to
appear in a set of TV commercials on the sale
of a public asset that is going to benefit Norfolk Southern,

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and it was just kind of outrageous. And when PG.
Sittenfeld got pardoned and there was a big hoopla over that,
I wrote an op ed and I said, well, that's fine,
but what has the city done about all the anti
corruption efforts that were made under the previous city council,
under the previous mayor. Have they followed through on it?

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And the answer was no. So in June I sent
a letter to the City Council and to the mayor,
and I asked the City Council to take all the
anti corruption recommendations that had been made prior to them
coming on board, line them out, and tell us what
the status is. So that was the request to the council.
To the mayor, I asked him for help in going

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to Norfolk Southern's pack and getting greater disclosure on how
the pack spent six million dollars on that campaign, because
I do not think it cost six million dollars five
point four million, ninety percent of that Here we go,
folks went to a consulting firm in Washington, d C.
Called sk D Knickerbocker, and they are a big time

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consultant in DC. They happened to be on the Democrat
side or Republican consultants just like that. Sure for example,
they were big from what I understand, we're big on
Hillary Clinton's campaign. And they were given five point four
million dollars by the pack and the description of what
that money was used for was basically described in a

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handful of words advised consulting, printing, and apparently under the
rules because I did consult with an attorney under the rules,
that's that's complying with the campaign financial rules.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Well, that's less disclosure than IRIS were rely supposed to require.
When she's submitting her invoices under her contract, it's not
much different. So ad bys printing and quote unquote consulting whatever.
That is five point four million dollars, yes, on a
single issue campaign. Now you're in Hamilton County.

Speaker 4 (02:07:31):
Now there's two big coincidences. Number one is that f
tab Purvol's campaign treasurer was also the treasurer for Norfolk
Southern's Political Action Committee, and I actually filed a complaint
with the Elections Commission about disclosures there and how can
you have one person being a treasurer for both parties.

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There's something called coordinated communications between campaigns, and the Election
Commission couldn't handle that issue, so they denied my complaint.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
Well, you don't have to have any coordination if you're
the same guy exactly. It's like you're writing yourself a
letter exactly, so damn well what you're planning on doing.

Speaker 4 (02:08:16):
So what happened is the treasurer did produce an affidavit
where he claimed he had nothing to do with who
appeared in those TV commercials. It was the PAS steering committee.
But we don't know who's on the steering committee. We
don't know whether those folks are all campaign contributors to
mayor provol or whether they're just one person from Norfolk Southern.

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They don't have to disclose that. So I asked the
mayor for help and identifying those people too, and what.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
And what did mister transparency say in response to that?

Speaker 4 (02:08:48):
Well, he has not responded. That was June one, so
that was several months.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Ago, several months ago. That'd be have to have Provol's
way of you know, basically doing what my dad would do, say,
I've got two words for you and any happy birth
the other words, no to your response for the information.
So just by ignoring it you get the same effect.

Speaker 4 (02:09:06):
Yes, and that's basically how they treat a lot of
people that come to them with issues.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
Well, we know how they treat everybody. Look at the
residents of Hyde Park, bond Hill. Yeah. One more with
Todds ends or Citizen Watchdog. Get his podcasts and definitely
listen to it regularly. Eight forty six right now fifty
five KR City Talk Station fifty five KRC and talk
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(02:09:38):
City Talk Station. One more segment here with Citizen Watchdog
todds enz Or tob We were having a conversation off
I we I think you and I can agree, and
probably people who have been paying attention to where the
city dollars are going can agree. We're funding a lot
of non governmental organizations, yes, and we've been down this
road before. The mayor and the city manager have a

(02:09:58):
huge amount of discretion to pick and choose which NGOs
get taxpayer dollars. Is that a fair statement. Yes, Among
these NGOs is an NGO called Centrifuse, right, they have
a board of directors. What is Centrifuge being paid by
the city to allegedly do.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
Oh my gosh, that's a good question, Brian, it's really
it's it would definitely be spelled out in like an
application for funding, but I haven't tracked that down. But
what centrifuse does is they help businesses start up. They
help start up businesses.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
Okay, So if you a young person, entrepreneur, you go
to Centrifuse I need some help starting a new business.
They provide you with some resources or send you over
to some folks that can help you out, maybe hook
you up with a financial lending company, that kind of thing. Right, Okay, fine,
we can agree that the purpose may be noble. Whether
or not there should be an NGO out there with
taxpayer dollars doing it is another thing. They're getting. How

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much money from the.

Speaker 4 (02:10:56):
City they've been getting two hundred and fifty thousand year
for the past four or five six years. Well, it's
well over a million dollars over that period of.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
Time, okay, And those board members have a fiduciary obligation
to serve the interest that they are being paid to do.

Speaker 4 (02:11:16):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
Who sits on that board among the members of the board.
Who is on the board at Centerviews Well.

Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
I found out earlier this year that the mayor have
to have provol sits on the board and has sat
on the board for his entire term. And what was
surprising is that last year, at the beginning of the year,
the city Council actually went through this issue of council
members sitting on the boards of directors of nonprofits, and

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the city mayor, supported by the city solicitor, wrote a
memo that said that is not a good idea. It's
possible to do that, but there are so many things
that you would have to accommodate to comply with the
ethics rules that it was not recommended that the members
of city council sit on the boards of directors of nonprofits.

(02:12:05):
And all the while the mayor is sitting there overseeing
this deliberation. He got a copy of the city manager's
memo like everybody else, And as far as I know,
there's been no disclosure by the city by the mayor
that he sits on this board.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
Now you're not he's not paid in this position.

Speaker 4 (02:12:23):
No, no he's not.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
But as mayor, a separate set of ethical and fiduciary
obligations exist to the taxpayers.

Speaker 4 (02:12:30):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
How can he be in a position of deciding that
his own ngo or on which he sits on the
board anyway, gets money, right. Isn't that just an outrageous
conflict of interest?

Speaker 4 (02:12:44):
It does seem like that, Brian. I don't. I don't
think Centrifuse has done anything wrong, and.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
I don't know. I don't want to suggest that, but
I think it's.

Speaker 4 (02:12:52):
Incumbent on the city to make sure that there's no
conflicts of interest going on. In fact, back in May,
I think I went down to city Hall because of
all the money they spend on these NGOs and nonprofits,
and I said, the least you could do is everybody
that submits, you know, input on how these NGOs should

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be funded, everyone should sign a certification that they do
not have a conflict of interest.

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
Right, Because here's how it might play out. Aftebs. I
don't get any money from them, Yeah, I got some
money going into this Centrifuse. Yes, I'm on the board.
Of directors parent. You had mentioned off Era that the
head of Centrifuse makes three hundred grand a year.

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
Yeah, just about that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:34):
Okay, Now, what if he's looking for some campaign money
he ends up sending money over to centrifew centreviews agrees
to pay. Maybe you have tab has no connection with
the amount of money that guy pays. Maybe that guy's
friends with the atab pro ball and maybe in return
for getting a three hundred thousand dollars years paycheck from
Centrifuse being doing NGO work, he decides that, you know what,

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I Am going to peel off a few thousand dollars
of my fat salary and give it a mayor to
be real. So there is a money trail that could
be easily created by virtue of the allocation of money
to an NGO, upon which after that pur ball sits right.

Speaker 4 (02:14:10):
And this is just one ease. This is just one
example of all of this spending that they do with
these nonprofits. It's a very high risk area in terms
of fraud, waste, and abuse because there's no internal controls,
there's no oversight of what these folks are doing with
their money. Some high level reports back about what we did,

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but nobody's really looking at these and even the internal
auditor for the city has identified problems with these nonprofits.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
Well, and going back to this roly contract that involves
Government Square specific work, I think we can all figure
out perhaps that they haven't been able to accomplish anything.
So the return on our taxpayer investment for that one
subset isn't paying off well.

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
I don't think it's paying off.

Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
Well, neither do I. I know it's a subjective CONCLD illusion.
We can't be held accountable for that. But crime and
Government Square. Government Square as a concept has been in
the news time and time and time and time again.
I have to have pear Ball has been talking about it.
The police resource has been allocated to Government Square. That
sounds like a bigger problem that they're trying to address
than it was maybe several years ago. So I'm gonna

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call it a failure. Whatever they thought they were going
to accomplish. Todd zinzer Man, we unloaded a hell of
a lot today. I can't thank you enough for the
work that you're doing. Maybe maybe other local news will
take the time to report on all of this, because
it seems very newsworthy and maybe, just maybe this will
end up in court my hope. Anyway, Todd, thank you again.

Speaker 4 (02:15:41):
Okay, thank you, Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
You're always welcome here, my friend. Always. We'll keep listening
to your podcast, Citizen Watchdog folks, you can get a
chance