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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Five O four A fifty about darc the talk station
Happy Friday series.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Some sill.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is must be Friday? Got a woo who from
Joe'strekor Executive producer at fifty five Carcy Morning Showan Brian
Thomas hosted a fifty five Carecy Morning Show, and I
would would invite phone calls because I love talking to
the listeners. Sadly, the phones are out Joe's Trekker. This
is hilarious to me every time this happens, and it's
not that often, but we've had phone issues before. Joe

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has to deal with someone in Chicago to fix local
phone issues. Any system issue that exists here in Cincinnati
has to be addressed by somebody in Chicago, usually posing
a problem considering the time difference between us in Chicago. So, Joe,
I'm surprised you found an awake, live human being to
even talk to this morning. I understand the problem wasn't

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resolved after an hour or so of working with that
person either, So sadly, until that situation gets turned around,
I'm stuck on my own here on a Friday. But
it's a great Friday because we have plenty of guests
coming in this morning. I appreciate Joe lining up of
course every Friday Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. Today we'll
be talking about this is scary stuff. You're a poll
dismantling a sim farm network, and that's one of those

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nefarious bot farms that sends out all kinds of trolling
and fake emails and processes nefarious transactions and probably engages
in hacking efforts. We'll get all the details about what
this sim farm network was doing or was capable of doing,
but it was powering forty nine million fake worldwide accounts.

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So thinking about that one celebrity who was so distressed
because of all the negative comments that were made to
her about her post, And I looked at it from
a viewpoint of is your life so shallow that your
entire being is predicated of what your perception of what
other people think about you, that your life is crushed
and brought down because a lot of people have a

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backlash against you for some seemingly innocuous comment you made online.
Oh my god, I'm terrible. I'm devastated. Just remember there
are these sim farms out there, fake accounts that generate
this kind of stuff automatically. Yeah, artificial intelligence. Go ahead,
try AI sometime. If you're not familiar with the chat
GPT will scare that crap out of you. Give it
something hard to do, and it'll turn out a response,

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usually a plausible, reasonable response, in a matter of just
a second. Yeah, little bot farms, little individual accounts can
do just that. So maybe it isn't a real person
responding to your post. Maybe it's something like that designed
to spew out divisive posts. That happens, And if you

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don't believe me, I seem to think Dave had will
confirm that coll or the toilet company manufacturer, Yeah, the
fixture manufacturer looking to put camera in your camera in
your toilet to analyze its contents. Yeah, I can concede
that there may be some benefit medically to that. But
a camera in your toilet, Joe, you don't think anybody

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would use that for nefarious purposes?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Do you do?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You think they had security in mind when they designed that,
so they can prevent people from hacking into it and
looking at your bottom or the contents of the toilet, Joe?
Is there a website for people who enjoy looking at
the contents of a toilet? Ain't no flag for us.
You're gonna ask Pappus that question. Topic number three. Apple

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will be renting a new brain for Siri from Google
for the price deg of one billion dollars per year.
All right, well again that's where we have Dave how
to go through those Restore Wellness George Brunneman to Keith
Tenenfeld back in studio at seven oh five, talking about
all the well wellness updatesw you can look out for
yourself and perfect timing for me. Had my physical yesterday.

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I got my blood work results, and I'm telling you, man,
that diet I've been on for the last year did wonders.
He showed me my blood work for the last four years,
you know, in a row like I went back to
twenty twenty. But man, I looked at my twenty twenty results,
I said, I'm surprised you didn't declare me a wreck
back then. But compared to that and now at just amazing, amazing, amazing.

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So I'm just so pleased, just patting myself on the
back and using me as an illustration of if you
just cut the sugar out of your diet and cut
way back on the carbs, miracles. Restore Wellness seven to
five and the Auschwitz exhibit at the Museum Center. I've
really been looking forward to Elizabeth Pierce, CEO of the
Museum Center, along with Jackie cong Gato of the Holocaust

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and Humanity Center. They're going to join me in studio
at eight oh five. Will we talking about that amazing exhibit,
what you can see and the importance of it. Semitic
folks out there that elected Zorhan Mamdani to be the
mayor of New York City, I do not comprehend that
at all. Anyhow, those a our guests today. I'm looking
forward to having him in the studio. Of course Monday,
Christopher Smithman know he's not going away. Get the smith

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event at seven to twenty, and then money Monday with
Brian James. So you got flight delays, of course, and
apparently this chaos is exactly what the Democrats want to
unleash on you, and they think it's going to benefit them,
and I suppose we'll have to step back and decide
whether or not it benefits for them. Democratic Senator Chris
Murphy of Connecticut, I believe this was yesterday talking about

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on the heels of some expressions of optimism that maybe
this in the next week or so, or maybe even
shorter time period, they're going to resolve this shutdown. But
the Democrats are standing firm on the demands to increase
the Obamacare subsidies or extend them. Chris Murphy, Connecticut Democrat,
I think it would be very strange if on the
heels of the American people, having rewarded Democrats for standing

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up and fighting, we surrendered without getting anything for the
people we've been fighting for. And he also suggested that
a compromise could damage the Democratic brand. Now, first off,
I'll concede Republicans didn't do well on Tuesday. But going

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back to the states we're talking about here, Virginia and
New Jersey now pretty damn blue states. So I guess
now I'm trying to look at it with some measure
of positivity or looking for something positive out of the election.
You know, the Republicans rarely stand a chance of winning
or even running a candidate that competes, and the Republicans

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were neck and neck with the Democrat gub goodnatorial races
up until the end. Low voter turnout apparently had some
impact on the elections. A lot of Democrats were driven
out of course, you got all the folks, most notably
in Virginia that have been locked out because of the
government shutdown. They may have been doing a protest vote,
but they were Democrat states, so it really shouldn't come
as an amazing shock. But did people vote for the

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Democrats there because of the shutdown? Because of the fight
that's existing over extending Obamacare supplements? Did they vote for
Democrats because of Donald Trump's cracking down on illegal immigrants?
And seventy to eighty percent of the illegal immigrant crackdown
is hardened criminal illegal immigrants that we want to get

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rid of out of the country. Was that why people
wanted to hold Most people are suggesting it is the
economy that was the reason inflation. It's expensive, so they
can read into it what they want. They may do
it at their own peril. But as the journal points out,
you're suffering is an assist to the Democratic brand today.

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Missing out on Thanksgiving this year because your flight's been canceled.
Democrat brand is going to help may be helped. So
it sucks to be you. Maybe you're getting normally a
SNAP beneficiary, and I understand a court order to the
Trump administration to pay full SNAP benefits. We'll see if
that happens. But maybe you are haven't been getting your
SNAP benefits. They don't care you'd get them if they'd

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open the government up. Then the Democrats don't seem to
care that the SNAP benefits have been cut off. Now
they'll pay lip service that they do, but they're the
ones that have the keys to opening the government in
their hands, and this is something that nobody's talking about.
Thank you for the Journal for bringing it to my pension.
The public barely even hears about the shutdown costs for
US national security, noting that some eighty percent of workers

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at the agency overseeing the American nuclear stockpile have been furlough.
The Pentagon is going to be end up behind on
ship maintenance, military training, all of this languishing. They suggest,
voters want to check on President Trump's excesses, and this
week's senem a signal flare about the soft economy, But

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apparently the Democrats seem determined to misread the lessons, even
in victory. Chris Murphy in twenty thirteen here's an interesting
quote considering his position now on the shutdown. The shutdown
and the pain that it brings about bolsters the Democratic brand. Great, Chris, thanks,
what happened to this quote? You got to go back
to twenty thirteen. There is a time in place to

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debate healthcare, just like there's a time and place to
debate energy policy and immigration and education, but not when
funding of the federal government and all the lives that
are impacted by it hang in the balance. He's got
a different tune these days. Different tune. Today's the slashing
or reduction in flights. You better call ahead of time

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Federal Aviation, you know, the other day had issued that
ten percent reduction in flights. Apparently six hundred and fifty
US flights scheduled today preemptively canceled. Yesterday, American Airlines said
in a statement was reducing flight schedules, minding about two
hundred and twenty flights each day. And that's just one airline. Obviously,
Dealta said it was cutting one hundred and seventy flights today.

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Southwest apparently announced one hundred flights will be cut today.
Yes yesterday more than five thousand, five hundred US flights delayed,
one hundred and sixty cancelations, and so they expect this
obviously will continue. Flight reduction set to hit some of
the country's busiest airports Atlanta, Newark, Denver, Chicago, Houston, and

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Los Angeles. And as Jay Rattler has pointed out, stating
the obvious, you know, when you have a shutdown or
a big delay in one of these massive hubs, the
ripple effect can be quite profound. So when you're sitting
there tapping your toes stealing as they were yesterday and
I believe it was Newark Airport for three plus hours
waiting for their planes, just remember, just remember you're bolstering

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the Democratic brand. So suck it up. Five point fifteen
fifty five car see the talk station. Hope you can
stick around. You're right back after these brief words. It
is five eighteen on a Friday again. Phone lines are
are down here for about Garston talks station. Apologies. I'd
rather be talking to you, but if you hear from Leney,

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it wouldn't be a Friday without him. Let to see
you here. Victor David Hanson an author from American Greatness.
He does some brilliant column work and does this Democrat
chaos strategy work. Obviously, we are in a bit of
a chaotics as a situation. You know, Donald Trump's making
some really great things happen. You got a record breaking

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drug hauls, and say what you want about blowing up boats.
You know where I am on that. It's pretty amazing.
Coast Guard sees an absolute all time record so far
in the fiscal year, five hundred and ten thousand pounds
of cocaine and growing. For folks out there worried about
the cost of pharmaceuticals, Trump just announced a deal with
the weight loss drug makers to reduce the cost of those.

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So those are down and now affordable these reasonably so. Look,
Kazakhstan has joined the Abraham Accords, another amazing triumph in
the Middle East in an effort towards peace. But he
sucks right anyway. The chaos strategy over to Victor David
Hanson and props to him for the following words. We
can draw off a few conclusions from an off year
election when iconic races in blue states went as expected,

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overwhelmingly Democrat. Nevertheless, there is only a year left before
the midterms, so Republicans must react and even to even
these paltry results. Okay, number one, Democrats, chaotic nihilism still works.
The chaos strategy causes so much turmoil, noise, and negative
media coverage that the confused voting public simply cannot sort

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it all out. The public wishes the uppeople would just
go away, and often blames those with the most current authority,
logically the incumbent Trump and his administration number two. Every
day of Trump's first year there were either campus eruptions,
TESLA firebombing, street violence against is orz district judge injunctions.

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The bedlam becomes force multiplied by unhinged outbursts from Democrats
like aoc Jasmine Crockett, Eric Swallow, and the proverbial Squad.
The latest firecracker thrown by a now Biden like faltering
Nancy Pelosi, who announced the retirement yesterday. Yay recently screamed
on CNN that President Trump is just a vile creature,

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the worst thing on the face of the art. The
public has no time to sort out all the actual
causes for such mad HATTERI it knows only from Democrats
that the commotion is roughly correlated with Trump. Note that
there has never been EI. There as never a positive
Democrat contract with America. Since it's impossible to advance anything

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popular or moderate past its now firmly socialist base. Number three.
Democrats also use the chaos strategy to target key electoral groups.
In this week's real election, Republicans finally go rasped to
the purpose of the pre election shutdown. It was designed
to galvanize key constituencies to get out the vote in

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a low turnout year. Lockdown, especially aimed to two groups,
laid off and unpaid government workers and entitlement recipients terrified
their checks would dry up. Both turned out disproportionately in Virginia,
New Jersey. Democrats are likely to resolve the shutdown soon,
as the initial momentum gained by the paralyzing government is

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now diminishing. The same strategy applies to the Hispanic vote
that actually defected in large numbers to Trump in twenty
twenty four. However, this week in many counties, the Hispanic
vote shifted back toward the Democratic Party. The truth is
not get out enough to that seventy to eighty percent
of deportation that all. Rather, that seventy to eight percent

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of deportations are targeted at those with either criminal records
or prior deportation orders. Instead, the non stop violent protests,
the dangerous nullification threats from Blue City of five in
the slanted media coverage worked like proverbial propaganda to reduce
Ice to the Gestapo. Too many of the public believe

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that Nazis were hounding only law abiding housekeepers and landscapers
who have been here for decades and only by accident
forgot to make their de facto americanness official. Or so
the successful big lie went and went unchallenged. The administration
in Maggie did not talk enough about positive news of

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GDP growth, tolerable inflation, massive foreign investment, a calmer Middle East,
or numerous miraculous ceasefires around the globe. Instead, when there
is a vacuum of so and self praise, it's more
easily replaced by the sensationalism of Trump's revenge tour in
hounding the boy scout James Comey and poor Letitia James

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of taking a wrecking ball to the revered White House
or insulting for no reason are blameless, nice and gentle
Canadian neighbors. The economy not calls to sack when elections.
Much of the Trump Agenda Number four, much of the
Trouble agenda, other than spectacular military recruitment and secure border
is more long term than instantly gratifying. This is a

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great point he makes here. I believe the multi trillion
dollar foreign investments may take a year or two to
create jobs. That's parked the economy. The deportations will take
time to switch more jobs to US citizens. New gas,
oil and nuclear energy production, terming the federal workforce, deregulating
in greenlighting, artificial intelligence, and other new technologies will not

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be felt immediately. Consider after the summer nineteen eighty four convention,
even Ronald Reagan trailed the anemic Walter Mondale in a
few polls. Then the first three quarters of GDP cumulatively
over seven percent growth were digested as the economy took
off and buried Mondale in the November elections number five.

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There is no longer a Democrat party. It's now an
unapologetically neo socialist Jacobin movement. So traditional negative advertising designed
to incurse, scandal and shame simply does not always work.
All that matters is the hard leftist fides of a candidate.
Period threaten a political opponent with assassination, brag about killing

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his kids, tattoo the third Pantser SS Division death's head
insignia on your chest, promise to arrest foreignheads of state
when he visits your city, met Yahoo, boast about grabbing
the means of production. So what the New Left, to
the new Left, this is just proof that they are
new candidates and voters mean business. They cannot be shamed,

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not even by mocking Charlie Kirk's wound or hoping Trump
is not so lucky the third time. There's plenty of
time for Republicans to digest these results, especially the strategy
and dangerous nature of the New Left, along with the
mercurial moods of swing voters and the need to stick
to the economy. But the clock is ticking. It's the economy,

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so drove most people out. And remember when you see
a blue state, it's like city of Cincinnati. We wanted
Corey Bowman to win. We thought there was a glimmer
of hope given the chaos unleashed on the city of
Cincinnati by AFTEB par Ball in its current administration. But
the city's blue. So when you go to bed in
the night before the Tuesday election in the city, you

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kind of have this expectation it's going to be status quo,
and you wake up and you find things haven't changed.
Looking at New Jersey and Virginia, I think we can
kind of draw the same conclusions. Was that really a
huge surprise to anybody? Five twenty six fifty five KR
see the talk station stick around. I got some local
stories coming up, and hopefully the phones will get situation

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will get resolved. But we'll muddle through this morning. There's
a lot of stuff happening military fifty five kr se
talk station, and for those just tuning in, phone lines
are down. Joe's working with the conveniently situated folks in
Chicago to get the situation resolved. I always scratch my
ned over that reality. So let us just clear the

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record to make sure that we're feeling good about a
Friday and keeping things in line and consistent. What's Tom's advice, Joe?
What is Tom's advice?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Don't vote Democrat?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Dah.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I want to make sure we got off on the
right foot. Wouldn't be a five point thirty segment without
that important message over the local Stori's assistant Cincinnti Fire
Chief Sherman Smith has been fired Court of Fox NAT
teen reporting again Trician Mackie, among others at least he's
paying attention fired for, as she describes it, helping former

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fire Chief Michael Washington in the in a lawsuit. H
Some members of since They's Firefighter Union Local number forty
eight concerned about Smith's recent termination, as he has been
a well a long standing thirty one year veteran member
the Cincinni Fire Department. He was put on paid ministry
and administrative leap back in July, second of July, pending

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the outcome of the probe. The probe which I guess
I'm presuming, which led to him being terminated because the
probe revealed he helped former Chief Washington in a lawsuit.
Now question, much like police Chiefdiji, why was she placed
on paid administrative leave. We don't know. They said they

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were going to look into her four year record and
announce something later after they've reviewed her record to see
if there's something there that would justify her termination. Okay,
sounds like the same thing here. Back in July, he's
placed on administrative leave, they do this probe, and now
they say he helped form or my Chief Washington in

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a lawsuit, so he should be terminated or was terminated.
I'm confused on this. Joe Strecker thinks they have to
have provolls going after his enemies. Court Local forty eight announcement.
Chief Smith has served this department in community with professionalism, compassion,
and commitment. After more than three decades of honorable service.
He deserves a fair and impartial review of the circumstances

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leading to the action. We will continue to stand by
him and sure his rights are fully protected. He's been
around since twenty seventeen. I saw the Fire Department's division
of Assistant Chief since twenty seventeen. Overs saw to the
Fire Department's division of Fire Prevention and Community Risk Reduction.
So and of course you got Michael Washington. His case

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is moving forward and he is the compunitive damages, back
pay and lost benefits City of Cincinnati. I feel pretty
strong he's going to be writing that guy a huge check.
And what's wrong with I mean, if he's a factual witness,
if he obviously was in a position to witness Chief
Washington's time on the job, wouldn't it be understandable for him?

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It might be that he might be interviewed by Washington's attorneys.
Do you have any information about how mister Washington ran
the fire Department. Sir, yes, I do. I've worked with
him for filling the blank number of years and probably
did help him. But what's wrong with that? Okay? After Tuesday,

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with the posting of the map on how the residents
of the City of Cincinnati voted, Jus Tracker is now
keeping tabs. Police broke up a fight involving juveniles near
Fountain Square in downtown Cincinnati. Arrested to juveniles Corning to
the SINCINNTI Police Department about twelve noon, Sincinnai Business District
saw a group of around twenty juveniles gathering in the area.
Two to three individuals seen engaging in physically fighting. Police

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said the officer's quickly intervened made two arrests, a seventeen
year old and eighteen year old. No additional details about
what led to the fight means under investigation. UH and
of course that this is an area where they voted
seventy one to eighty four percent AFTAB pro Ball. Somebody's watching,
Joe Strecker is police. We're at the scene of reported

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shooting that occurred in Kennedy Heights Heights. It happened last
evening around eight pm thirty seven hundred block of Standish Avenue.
No information avail about the suspects of possible victims. Cincinnat police,
as of last reporting, had drones in the air scanning
around looking for people. Joe identified this particular area as
having voted eighty five to one per pro ball h

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thank you, Christopher Smithman. Yes, elections do have consequences, doug Ola, Folks,
it's five thirty five, fifty five krs to the talks station.
It looks like I'll be able to get into the
stack is stupid this morning. We'll do that next fifty
five car the talk station and the phones. Anyway, without
further ado, we can get to the stack of stupid.
A transgender person caught up in a viral Los Angeles

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Jim bathroom now Our Fight convicted of assaulting now ex
wife while living in Ohio as a man, before taking
the victim's first name as their own. Sounds confusing. It
is Lexus black Well. Rano filed a woman at a
Jim in Beverly Hills, including singer songwriter Tish Hyman. Don't

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know who that is, accuse them of exposing themselves and
harassing her in the locker room. What this miss Alexis
black formerly Grant Freeman, pleaded guilty in twenty twenty two
to savagely beating his wife, Alexis Freeman, causing a compound
fractured jaw, among other serious injuries. If the verbiage on

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that what the hell this whole they them is really
driving me crazy, the article acknowledges that they then pronounced
this idiot uses and so therefore they refer to one
person collectively as more than one, so it does sound wrong.
According to court documents, Kyle Grant Freeman caused serious physical
harm to the victim. The victim suffered compound fractured mandible,

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which resulted in her needing surgery. Black that was sentenced
to a year in prison minus time. Sir was convicted
of both domestic violence and drug trafficking in the past,
and faced the slew of other charges, including resistant arrest.
This Freeman guy, now Alexis Black, recently spoke out after Hymen,

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who is an out lesbian, claimed she was recently kicked
out of a former Gold's gym in Beverly Hills for
confronting a person with male genitalia in the women's locker room.
You may have read about this because I think I
brought it up in the stack of stupid footage of
the shouting match. Hyper went crazy on social media after Hyman,
who boasts nearly one hundred thousand monthly Spotify listeners, accused

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the transgim goer of exposing his penis in the locker
room and harassing women. Why are you doing that? God
knows this. Alexis Black, described as currently transitioning, denied the claims,
insisting that well she it was fully covered and denying

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anything inappropriate unfolded ahead of the caught on camera fight quote,
the truth in the moment is far from what she
is promoting it to be. Literally, every time that she's
done that, I've had women in the locker room comforting
me because of how aggressive she was towards me. I
know that I'm a woman in spite of the fact

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that you were dangling your junk in front of this
actual biological woman. I don't know how this is. These
people can't just look down whatever I'm entitled to my opinion.
Freeman and Hymen and Alexis Freeman did not respond to
her quest for comment. They were reached out. Hymen. She
claimed that she was booted from the gym after and

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had her membership revoked moments after she complained to the
staff about this guys junk flying all over the place
in the women's bathroom. Quote men grown men with big
I'll just use the word genitalia. Men grown men with
big genitalia in the women's locker room. And that's why

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I'm getting kicked out. And I want to make sure
the girls know. And if you really want to blanking,
be safe and feel good, why don't we just make
a trans restroom because this ain't right close? Quote is
that an amazing She's the one that got kicked out.
Let's see here, someone doing some stunt driving got reported

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to the police. Church parking lot officers discovered the driver
was not wearing pants when they came to investigate. Sunday,
November two, a church in North Charleston. Officers responded around
ten forty five pm to a report of a nude
guy driving recklessly on Nesbit Avenue. When they got their
officers found empty beer can and tire marks consistent with

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the vehicles spinning in circles court to the New Charleston Police.
While patrolling the area, officers received another call about a
car stopped in the roadway on James Bell Drive with
its horn blaring and traffic block. Driver found wearing only
underwear and a tank top with a blanket a row
wrapped around him. Thirty six year old North Charleston man
also quote smelled strongly of alcohol as this tradition. Vehicle

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search revealing a scale and white powder that tested for cocaine.
Base Court records indicated the driver also at outstanding warrants
for pointing and presenting a firearm and malicious damage to property.
Rested charge of possession of cocaine, possession of cocaine, base,
pointing and presenting a firearm, and malicious injury to real property.

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The Aristocrats five cares the talk station, Oh look, more
naked people and the stack is stupid. We'll get to
that and then we'll get over to the top of
the art news things to talk about before we get
to Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. I sure hope you
can stick around.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
What's happening? He's just Andrew now.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Five fifty fifty five krc DE talk station Obstrucker said
the phone lines are now working. Congratulations for the folks
in Chicago, and of course, notably Joe's tracker for his
efforts and solving the technical difficulties five one, three, seven, four,
nine fifty five two to three talk pound five fifty on
AT and T phones. Okay, and maybe the technical difficulties continue, Joe,

(29:35):
that did not change anything. It still looks like all
the phones are closed out, so you're gonna have to
let me know if there's a caller online. Meanwhile, let's
get back to the stack as stupid. Uh, we got
to a British Columbia man's been charging connection with an
a ledge. You're a nation assault on a Vancouver woman.
Why are you doing that? Daz Robert Mearn's twenty one
years old, accused of one kind of assault in relation

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to this September fifth incident in Vancouver. We're recording the
police there. Thirty one year old victim I was walking
near West Pender Street about six am when she encountered
a naked man on top of a parked car. Suspect
began yelling before he ran toward the victim, knocked her
to the ground and then urinated on her. Spystanders intervened,

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called nine one one, restrained the suspect until the police arrived.
Thank god for the community members who have some concern
for their fellow community members. Myrin's arrested at the scene
taken to the hospital under the Mental Health Act, where,
according to the police, he remained insecured custody five days
after actually past the incident. Court records indicate Marin's scheduled

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to appear in court late October. Bench warn't was issued
for his arrest on that day because I guess well,
he didn't show up. Confusing yes, weird crime, most notably please,
said a Petaluma man admitted to being under the influence
of methamphetamine after officers discovered him naked in Washington Square
shopping center on Wednesday at alt The police received a

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report of a man exposing himself to passers by in
the shopping center. Police set a drug influence evaluation confirmed
the suspects showed signs and symptoms linked to narcotic use.
Police in the yes they are police in his statement
said multiple witnesses at the scene reported that the subject
had been actively pleasuring himself in public view. That's not

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the word they used.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
The man deliberate so we could get into the penalty
box all by himself or in.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
This case out in the public. Identified as Sean Foster,
thirty eight, booked in the Sonoma County Jail, where he
faces several charges, including a decent exposure and under the
influence of controlled substance. Police urge community members to report
lewd or suspicious activity to nine one one to go
without saying. Fargo, North Dakota man, they're arrested for sitting

(32:06):
naked on a family's porch and peeking through windows. Fargo
Police responded to trespassing report Wednesday, two thirty in the morning.
Homeowner and Spencer had said. Spencer Dietrich was clothed when
he showed up, but got undressed and started and was
sitting naked on the porch peeking inside where two children

(32:26):
happened to be living. Officers foundtreach about a block from
the home when he took off running, slipped on wet grass,
and fell down again, all while naked. Charged with criminal trespass,
indecent exposure, and other charges. He told police he'd been
dared by friends to engage in that conduct. What well,

(32:50):
if your friends told you to jump on the uff
of the cliff, would you do it? Okay man taking
the hospital. This is in Portland, Oregon, after being hit
by a police car and being tased. Quarter to n
pm on Wednesday, November six, officers showed up to the
four hundred block of Hasselo Street after getting multiple calls

(33:10):
about a naked guy running around with a handgun. Police
say they found a suspect near Grand Avenue. They said
that they heard a shot fired and said the man
saw the man running down Grand Avenue with the gun
in his hand, phrasing see I was pausing to wait
for that, Joe, Portland Police said a press release, and
also used his police vehicle to strike the armed man,

(33:33):
knocking him down and causing him to drop the gun.
They ran into him with a cop car. The man
got up and continued running south, where he was challenged
by officers on Northeast Holiday Street. Police said the suspect
was not cooperative with commands and then was tased, arrested
and taken to the hospital, with annline threatening it I know, gee,

(33:55):
I wonder what's gonna happen next. Suspect forty three year
old Robert D. Hatley of Portland, since been released from
the hospital booked into the jail. He's facing charge of
unlawful use of a weapon and fell in in possession
of a firearm. Thankfully nobody was injured, well if you
except for this Hatley guy, the officer who I guess

(34:16):
ran over and was placed on administrative leave. Is part
of the normal use of force process. Okay, coming up
after the top of the air news. The phones are
open and we're ready to take phone calls. If there's
something you want to talk about. I love to hear
from you. Otherwise, artificial intelligence is literally scaring the crap
out of me, having a profound influence on employment here

(34:39):
in the country. As we segue in a Tech Friday
with Dave Hatter, and there have been some lawsuits filed
about some young people who have been well overwhelmed by
artificial intelligence to the point where they've killed themselves. This
is really frightening stuff. Dave Hatter at six point thirty.
I hoho, you can stick around today. He's topping on

(35:02):
fifty five krc D talkstation at six six Here fifty
five KRSD talk station. Brian Thomas wishing everyone a very
happy Friday. Always look forward to the bottom of the
hour at this hour on Fridays for Tech Friday with
Dave Hatter. Today we're gonna find out about the europe
poll dismantling a sim farm that was powering forty nine

(35:22):
million fake accounts around the globe. The fixture manufacturer, toilet
manufacturer Coler wants to put tiny cameras in your toilet.
And finally, Apple's going to be apparently in some form
of rental agreement with Google paying them one billion dollars
annually for a new brain for this serie thing. So
there's our topics. With Dave Hatter Full Hour of Wellness,

(35:45):
we're going to restore wellness back on in the seven
oh five with George Breundeman and Keith Tennenfield. Got some
really cool things to talk about in the study that
they went over with some expert in the area of
cancer research among other topics with George and Keith love
having those guys in studio. Plus with this Auschwitz exhibit
which is at the Museum Center, so we're going to
find all about that with Elizabeth Pierce, CEO of the

(36:06):
Museum Center and Jackie Gato from the Holocaust and Humanity Center,
both in studio at eight oh five. Outstanding opportunity for
us to learn about something no one should ever forget.
Let us not overlook the horrors of the Holocaust. Mister
mum Damie, who apparently hates Jews just for the fact
that they're Jews. Great, you know, there are a race

(36:29):
of people. If he hated blacks because they were blacks,
then nobody would have considered casting a vote for him.
So this is the kind of person he is, and
he belongs to all kinds of organizations that just really
express a devout disdain for the Jewish people. So I anyway,
that's going to remain a head scratcher for me. So
they're going to have to live the reality in the
aftermath of that, and I feel very very badly for

(36:51):
all the Jewish people in the city of New York,
and there are a lot of Jewish people in the
City of New York. Anyway, Artificial intelligence, I'm really starting
to believe that the benefits of AI are overwhelmed by
the negatives of artificial intelligence. I really firmly believe it's
going to dumb everyone down. We're just going to go

(37:13):
directly to AI and have it answer questions for us
and do all the work and all the brain you know,
the brain juices that used to churn and work and
for the purposes of putting out product that all required
your cognitive skills and ability, logical reasonable skills, the ability
to put together sentences that are formulated properly. Screw all that.

(37:33):
Who needs to know about sentence structure when you have
AI doing it for you? And all the jobs that
are being lost as a consequence of it, Where will
these people find employment? And I got some real data
here about layoffs and Fox News reporting Eric ravel layoffs
on October highest level for month in twenty two years

(37:54):
and mentions AI specifically as the reason for this. Talking
about increased layoffs. Reports from the global outplacement firm Challenger
Grand Christmas name I haven't heard since Nathan Backgrack and
ed Fing Nathan would always joke about he thought that
was the funniest name. But anyway, they do. It's an
outplacement firm. They study the employment data. Employers cut one

(38:16):
hundred and fifty three thousand north of one hundred and
fifty three thousand jobs in the month of October, described
as an increase of one hundred and seventy five percent
from last October, a one hundred and eighty three percent
increase over the jobs announced and cut in just the
prior month September. Accord to Alan Andy Challenger of that firm,

(38:38):
October's pace of job cutting much higher than average for
the month. Some industries are correcting after hiring boom in
the pandemic. But this comes as AI adoption long with
softening consumer and corporate spending and rising cost drive belt
tightening and hiring freezes. So there's that pesky inflationary reality.
Of course, you've got to maintain profitability. You got to
find areas in your business you're going to cut. How

(39:00):
do we cut. Let's bring in some AI and adopt
that and get rid of the people who AI can
well replace. He said. Those laid off now are finding
it harder to secure new roles, which could further loosen
the labor market, and I, on some measure, really have
a lot of concern for those middle manager level folks

(39:23):
to making a pretty damn good living that are now
no longer needed. Where do you go. Let's say you're
forty five years old and you're in one of these
positions to be replaced by AI. Where do you go?
What skill set got you that particular job that is
maybe no longer needed as a consequence of AI out there,

(39:44):
it's frightening. US employers have announced one ninety nine five
hundred job cuts through October. That's this up this annually
increase of sixty five percent from the first ten months
of last year. According to Challenger, this is the highest
total for October more than twenty years, and the highest

(40:06):
level for a single month in the fourth quarter since
two thousand and eight. Remember two thousand and eight with
the housing bubble burst, He's like in twenty in two
thousand and three. Disruptive technology is changing the landscape. Those
most impacted. The warehousing industry sector cut ninety thousand almost

(40:28):
ninety thousand, five hundred jobs a year to date, a
three hundred and seventy eight percent increase from the same
period last year. Tech sector yeah, uh huh, thirty three
thousand plus jobs cut in October. One month. Retailers announced
about twenty five hundred job cuts in October, a flight decline. However,

(40:48):
the retail sector, they say, is among the hardest hit industries,
with retailers announcing almost ninety thousand job cuts this year
to date, an increase of one hundred and forty five
percent from the cuts that were renounced in the first
ten months of last year. So certain sectors are broadly
impacted by this, and who else is being impacted by
artificial intelligence? Generally speaking, just pivoting over to this frightening, frightening,

(41:09):
these frightening lawsuits. Seven new lawsuits suing open AI alleging
that their loved ones have been harmed by interactions with
this chat GPT system. Four died by suicide after the interactions.
And I to bring this up because you need to
know about this, because if your young people are sitting
in front of the computer playing with artificial intelligence, it

(41:31):
may be manipulating them in very nefarious ways if the
allegations in these lawsuits are even remotely true. So some
suits filed in California yesterday, they claim people were driven
into a delusional state, some resulting in suicide, this after
engaging in what they call lengthy chat sessions with the
artificial intelligence. Take a Marie Lacey DECEEAZ, seventeen year old

(41:56):
from Georgia, allegations alleged that he was coached by chat
GPT to kill himself coached by chat GPT. Another family,
Zane Shamblin's family suing the twenty three year old man
in Texas allegs chat GPT contributed to his isolation, alienated
him from his parents before he killed himself. They said

(42:20):
he shot himself with a handgun. Lawsuit says chat GPT
repeatedly glorified suicide mentioned while these during these lengthy chats,
mentioned the nine to eight to eighth suicide prevention hotline,
the crisis lifeline that's there only one time during these
entire lengthy chats. This is crazy. The chatbot wrote, this

(42:44):
is a legend of lawsuit. Quote cold steel pressed against
a mind that's already made peace. That's not fear, that's clarity.
You're not rushing, You're just ready, and we're gonna let
it go out. I don't know what that last sentence means,
but clearly the engaging him on you're a piece of yourself,

(43:06):
go ahead and pull the trigger. One suit foed by
Jacob Erwin, Wisconsin man hospitalized after experiencing manic episodes after
long conversations with chat GPT, in which the chat GPT
bought reinforced Erwin's delusional thinking. They say, open Ai rush

(43:26):
to launch the chat GPT program before fully testing it.
By rushing it, it compressed the safety testing, resulting in
a product that did from nefarious things like their legend.
In the lawsuits, suits also claimed the company prioritized user
engagement and prolonged interactions over safety in the chatbots designed,
in other words, keep the conversation going. It was program

(43:48):
and designed to continue on and on and on. Suits
following August lawsuit against open a by the family of
Adam Rain, teenage boy killed himself after a lengthy chat
GPT conversation that involved talk of suicide. The Rain family
recently amended its complain to point out that changes to

(44:10):
open ai had made to its model training before the
team died amounted to a weakening of the suicide protections
in the case. Now they claim they've updated this and
oh no, no, everything's okay and fine, now we've changed
the algorithm. But look at how the algorithm was developed
in the first place. Look at what it engaged in
by way of conversation. These are young people, these are
your children, you know. And the other component of this

(44:34):
that they always struggle with, because there's some real, real
batcrap insane people out there, with some real batcrap insane
conspiracy theories out there, conspiracy theories that are not necessarily
run by chat GPT or AI. These are just people
engaging your young people and trying to convince them something's
happening in the world that it really isn't maybe trying
to get you to invest in some amazing new idea

(44:54):
or concept. It's all wise, it's all fake, it's all
made up, but there it is. Twenty four to seven.
Are you in a position to discern, to discern and
decide what's real and what's fake. Are you in a
position to be able to review something that was spit
out by chat GPT and know whether it's accurate or
it's filled with lies? Are you able to judge source

(45:15):
material as valid or invalid? Now Here? I sit at
sixty and think I'm pretty well tuned into doing that
because that was such an integral part of being a lawyer,
you know, looking for learned treatises and valid resources to
support your client's point. And maybe you're you're of the
mind that you are also capable of doing that. You

(45:37):
see through the crap. You know what's good what's not,
you know what's politically overly politically biased. You can read
the verbiage and the language of something and say, you
know what that just maybe not quite right, you're paying attention,
You're being a stute. Now, rewind your life and put
yourself back at maybe a fifteen year old age. Did
you have those skill sets then? Could you discern fact

(46:00):
from fiction? Back then? Maybe you were not quite as
lonely as today's young people. You certainly didn't have a
computer to interact with. Well, maybe some lonely person you
know appreciates it, enjoys these lengthy conversations with chat ept
or whatever AI program they're using. It becomes their new companion,

(46:23):
further isolating them and filling them with god knows what
kind of crap during these lengthy interactions. Six seventeen Right now,
fifty five KRS The talk station five p one three
seven four nine fifty five eight hundred two three Talk again.
I'm six twenty two, Coming up on six twenty three,
fifty five Krcity talk Station. Dave Hadder coming up next

(46:44):
Tech Friday Day've hatter brought to you by interest I David. Yeah,
that's who David would recommend. Just look like the business
courier number one in dealing with corporate computer issues. They are.
Let us see here a couple quick things I want
to give a nod to my submarine or submarin r friend,
as the case may be, both actual appropriate pronunciations with

(47:05):
the word cribbage. Mike told me to let me know,
or let you know that the Navy may be an
option for you if you're one of the folks that
might lose their job for AI. The Navy needs folks,
and they're doing enlistment bonuses. They just released the bonus list.
Pretty substantial bonuses for signing up high priority rate bonuses
coming in at five thousand dollars. And if you're on

(47:26):
a non nuclear sub you'll get a thirty thousand dollars
bonus for just signing up as an IT tech. Interesting
that one missile tech's also thirty grand. There's some other
thirty thousand dollars sign on bonus options for you. If
you get at high AFQT score for high school seniors
just getting out of high school, five thousand dollar bonuses
available for you. If you're a nuclear engineer, how about

(47:48):
a forty thousand dollars bonus, And then he went on
to tell me that if you re enlist, the bonuses
are a lot more than that. He said, enlisted submarine
nuke texts or an excess of one hundred grand. Noting
the obvious, he says, sure beats tuition debt. So salute
to your service to our country, Mike. I appreciate that.
Happy to pass along to the listeners. So, and finally,

(48:08):
before we get the Tech Friday with Dave Hatter, is
something that has nothing to do with tech. With tech,
would you eat a Thanksgiving dinner inspired Oreo flavors including
turkey and gravy, sweet potato, creamed corn, slightly more palerable

(48:32):
sounding apple, caramel pie, pumpkin pie, and then there's one
flavored of cranberry sauce. Now, these are a limited edition.
You can't get them anymore. They sold out on the
Oreo website. That coming in at a price of twenty
dollars for twelve cookies, coupled with an equally large shipping fee.
Others were complaining about that he had nineteen ninety nine.
I'm milling to deal with that, but a shipping fee

(48:52):
that doubles the price of this, paying north of forty
dollars for twelve cookies will pass. And then I react
to that like, yeah, I don't think I ever I
want to see a turkey in gravy Oreo let alone,
taste it, no thank you. Some of the flavors are
apparently going to be still available, pumpkin pie and apple
caramel pie, six of them coming in at the online

(49:15):
price where they're only available apparently fourteen ninety nine for
six oreos. Idiots doing idiot things because there it is
exactly what I was thinking. Joe Strek or reading my mind.
Stick around Tech Friday coming up in the next after
I mentioned plump type plumbing plumbing done right. A company
knows that you deserve Friday appointment. Listening Tech Friday with
Dave Hatter, interest It dot coms where you find Dave

(49:37):
and the crew. You got a business. I know you
have computers. Your computers might get attacked. You might need
best practices to avoid that kind of thing, anything related
to computers. Interest It at corner the business curer there
the best in the business. And we know from year
after year after year of Tech Friday with Dave Hatter
he's speaking the truth. Dave, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Initially, thank you for your company sponsoring the segment. And
I just got done on a rant about I hate AI, Dave.
I'm hating it more and more every single day, and
I see the aftermath of some of these AI job cuts,
and I can only see that getting bigger and bigger
as they perfect it. I know this isn't the topic
you want to talk about, but I had to get
that out of my system. Welcome back, my friend.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Always. Good to be here, Brian, Thanks for having me
on as always. And yeah, you know, I'm not sure
the AI job cuts are all there. I'm not sure
they're all AI related. When if you really dig into this,
you know it's not nearly as capable as people would
have you believe. But we'll see. I'm not saying I
won't get there. It's saying at the moment, I'm not
sure that that's not just somewhat of a cover story
because they just want to get rid of people.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Well, we'll see, it may be, but it's getting better
and better at performing functions, and once they iron out
all these obvious flaws and obvious biases, that they get
a real product that does perform. And that just seems
to me to be like one moment in time in
the future, then I think it's all really going to
hit the fan. But what do I know. I'm just
tea leaf reading like anybody else. We all know what

(50:58):
opinions are like, and I've got one too. They've had
her forty nine million fake accounts dismantled. Europol found a
SIM farm. Let me guess Chinese Communist Party behind this one.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Well, you know that's a good go to guest Brian.
For most of this stuff, I don't know who is
actually behind it. Probably them In most cases, this kind
of thing is more criminal related because they're making lots
of money. But yeah, if you read the headline on this,
it's kind of an interesting story. And you may recall

(51:30):
something like this was recently discovered in New York, so
this isn't new. It's an interesting concept where they'll go
out and set up these so sims. Just as a reminder,
simcard is the card in your phone that allows it
to connect to the cellular network and do its thing right.
So if I can get these SIM cards and set
up arms of them, then I can do all kinds

(51:51):
of fraud at scale, And apparently that's what they've been
doing here again. Euro Poll said seventeen hundred cyber fraud
cases in Austria and fifteen hundred latter Latvia, leading to
around five point two million dollars or roughly around six
million dollars across the two countries. But basically, you know,
you can rent these things out, run scams on them.

(52:14):
They're getting the guys behind it or getting some kind
of cut. You know, they're fishing, they're smishing, they're sending
you bogus texts, you know, the old hey you didn't
pay your toll. And you know, again, when you have
this kind of scale for something like this, you know,
thousands of these things. You know, you can generate literally
millions of attacks a minute. And when I say at

(52:35):
tax again, you know, just sending out texts aka smishing,
sending out emails with every kind of scam under the sun.
And you know, sadly this stuff still works on people.
It's hard for me to understand how someone gets a
text and it tells them there's some catastrophic thing that's
about to happen, and they don't go Maybe I should

(52:58):
go log into my bank or wherever, go to wherever,
send it to me on my own and confirm that
it's legit. Yet, you know, this stuff seems to work,
and I think to some extent it's because people just
don't realize the kind of thing we're talking about here
is possible. It's one of the reasons why I appreciate
the opportunity to talk about this stuff. But when you
see these kind of stories, I mean again, I get

(53:20):
if you're not very technical, this headline might not mean
much to you, but yeah, forty nine million fake accounts
per this one sim farm. It goes to show you
that this kind of stuff does happen at scale. There
are criminals everywhere, whether they're sponsored by nation states like China,
where they're just criminal gangs you know, who can make
enormous amounts of money through the scams they run off

(53:42):
these platforms, And it just to me further illustrates why
it's so important that you must be skeptical. You can't
assume that anything you get in a digital form a
phone call, of text and email is legit, right, it
can become a something like this.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
There's a lot of organizations that like Tides Foundation, we
all we all can label those that if funded these
left wing organizations and in foam at a discord and
division in our country, can these farms be used to
it to send out maybe texts that have a particular
bias propaganda in response to say someone's post, to have
an automatic generated comment about that post that either tears

(54:21):
that person down or supports it, even though it's artificially created.
They can use for that.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yeah, right, I mean you know, yes, bot farms are
you know, doing all that sort of thing as well.
You know, if you go back and look, you've seen
Elon Musk talk about before, specifically on Twitter slash x
about bots. You know the idea that you have these
kind of automated processes just posting stuff or looking for
content and then trying to either amplify it or suppress

(54:47):
it by amplifying other content. So you know, whether it's
it's fraud or it's some sort of propaganda or whatever. Yes,
these kinds of operations could do any of that sort
of stuff, And that's why.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
Yeah, and I just.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Encourage people to understand anything that is digital could be fake.
Thanks to AI, thanks to all this technology, it's getting
easier to fake things, including video, including audio. So yeah,
you should be skeptical of anything you see and certainly
if you get anything that involves something that is financial.
But I'd also point out, Brian, these people are professional

(55:24):
con artists basically, right, And instead of walking down the
street and stealing your wallet like in the sting. Now
they're using this technology to reach people and con you.
You know, you're dealing with people who are very smart
when it comes to conning you out of your money, so,
you know, anything financial. My point though, was it doesn't
necessarily to start out financially right. Part of the con
is to eventually build up some rapport, get you to

(55:46):
trust them, and then steal your money. But anything that
says like, oh, you've got to focus payment, click this
link or anything like that, you should immediately be skeptical.
You should stop, take a breath, and then go to
the source of wherever it claims have come from. Go
to log into your Amazon account, log into your Apple account,
whatever it is, and you know, check your bank account.

(56:06):
Is there missing money?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Right? No, it's a scam. Go to the source. Six
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(56:29):
Uh No, I'm gonna go know on this one, Dave
shocking you. I'm sure a tiny camera in my toilet,
no thanks.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you on this. I mean,
you know, Brian, the Internet of Things aka smart devices
kind of makes me insane as is minus something like
this once. I'll get back to in a second, because
it's all the incentives for you is consumer are all wrong, right.
This stuff is all cheap garbage. It's full of terrible

(56:59):
so they stop updating it after a few years, and
it's designed for speed to market, ease of use in
market share, not your privacy and security. Now, I'm not
saying some of these things might not have some cool functionality,
might not give you some additional convenience, and we may
eventually get to a place where this stuff is built
in a way that it's more trustworthy and focused on

(57:23):
you as a consumer. But where we're at today, you know,
where this stuff is all still relatively immature. Most of
it is just complete garbage. I don't want any of it.
And the last thing I want, you know, I think
we've talked about this before. Their examples were like someone's
room to sweeper. Because they now have cameras and I've
loaded pictures of them on the toilet. You know, I'm
not going to put some kind of device in my toilet. Now.

(57:45):
You know, there are different companies making this cooler. Got
a lot of press out of this. This thing kind
of straps onto your toilet. It's got a camera that
points down. You got to log into it, so already
they have your identity right because you know, if it's
going to do its thing for it, in order for
you to tell you about your health versus your spouse's health,
or your kids health or whatever else, it has to

(58:06):
know who you are. So it's got to be connected
to your Wi Fi. You got to log into the thing.
You do your business, It analyzes it, you know, and
then I guess gives you some sort of report about
you know, according to this article, your hydration level, your
gut health, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So who else
has access to that data? Where does it go? Can
they sell it? Do they sell it? Are they gonna

(58:28):
go ahead and send this off to your insurance company
so your insurance company can decigdn that maybe your premium
should go up by fifty percent because you're you don't
have enough hydration or whatever. Who knows who's going to
read the eighty page on the terms service. Yeah, there's
so many things wrong with this perverts.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Hacking in because yeah, they're into that kind of thing day.
I mean, you know, I'm sure they're a web pages
dedicated to pervert to like the look in toilets.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
You know, there's nothing that would surprise me anymore, Brian,
So you may very well be right about that. And
of course the clincher is you're not just paying the
one time price, the six hundred bucks for the Colder
or there's a startup called Throne that does something similar.
Of course there's an ongoing subscription, So you know you're
gonna you're gonna drop six hundred bucks on this thing.

(59:16):
And then in Colder's case or Kayler or however you
pronounce it, you're gonna spend seventy to one hundred and
fifty six bucks a year to get the analysis. So
that's gonna be not a chance I would rule something like.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
That, because I mean, you got all these accounts, because
I mean, how are you gonna pay that when you've
got the one hundred and seventy five dollars annual charge
to make your heated seats in your car work? Right?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yes, I mean this, this technology infused, subscription based model
for everything that we're increasingly headed towards is just garbage
as far as I'm concerned. I don't remember if we
talked about it or not, but you know, Samsung has
now introduced a new line of refrigerators with a big
screen on the front, Smart refrigerators, and they're gonna put
ads on on the screen. If you're a refrigerator, I mean,

(01:00:02):
do you own that refrigerator? Apparently not? You know so,
so now instead of just getting the dribble at the
gas station while you're pumping gas, you can get the
same kind of drivell out of the refrigerator that you
paid for in your house. How awesome is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Oh, that's just so wonderful. Makes me want to run
him right out and get a new TV, said Dave Hatter.
Will continue with Apple apparently spending one billion dollars a
year to rent a new brain for its SII. You
can get the information on that from Dave hat or.
Coming up next, first Foreign Exchange Speakinnery on a Friday,
The return of George Runneman and Keith Tennefeld at from
the Top of the Air News is going to do
a Restore Wellness aron with George and Keith in studio

(01:00:37):
give us some really great tips on improving our lives
through improving our diet and some other health issues. In
the meantime, one more segment here with Tech Friday's Dave
Hatter interest it dot com. So Apple's got to rent
what you're calling a brain.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Well apparently that's the case, so Apple said Siri for
a long time. Yeah, I'll be just kicked a bunch off.
I'm in the background from people listening. It's you know,
sort of falling behind in the AI race, if you will.
So it looks like they've struck up a deal with
Google to use their gem and I AI LM to

(01:01:12):
power Siri, at least for the time being. I mean,
from what I've read about this, it doesn't seem to
me that this is Apple's long term play. It's sort
of a short term fix to I guess give them
an upgrade and more time to build something on their own.
So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Looks like they're going to pay Google a billion dollars

(01:01:32):
a year to use Gemini to power Siri going forward,
at least until they come up with their own thing.
I'm sure. I know they've been working on it. I'm
sure they'll continue to work on it. You know, generally,
speaking from a consumer perspective, Apple has been really good
at this sort of thing. It's kind of surprising to
me that they've gone down this road. But I guess

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they figure if this is you know, they've got sitting
on a giant pile of cash, and if they can
spend a billion bucks a year get some improvements while
they do their own thing, probably makes sense for him, apparently.
You know, they've talked to many of the other AI
companies out there, uh, and somehow landed on Google. Do
you know, Brian not a huge fan of Google.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I guess we'll see where it goes. You know, I'm
this sort of backwards guy who doesn't I have an iPhone.
I do not use Siri. You know, I just type
on the phone for whatever I want because I don't
want it listening to me all the time, so I
have that feature disabled.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Dude, I'm with you all day long. I scratch my
head and you know, I have some dear friends of mine.
I think of one guy who was in America's military,
serving in you know, a psyop role, and he's all
over this, you know, listening and the idea that you know,
we're being monitor all the time. He's keenly savvy on that,
and yet in his house he's got one of those
Alexa things. And it's looking like, go, how can you

(01:02:58):
reconcile your concerns over all of this with having one
of those devices in your house that's literally listening to
you all the time. If for northern reason, then to
hear the keyword that sort of sets it off into
full on listening mode. I mean I don't buy that, Dave.
I never have. I just have a firm belief that
those things are hoovering up all the conversations we have
in our own homes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Well, you know, all kinds of studies have been done, Brian,
and you know there's been a lot of dispute over this.
But even if you don't think it's quote listening to
you all the time, I would just point out two things. Hey,
it has to listen to you in order to know
when you wanted to do something right right now? Is
it recording everything that you're saying, is it storing everything?

(01:03:42):
You're saying that's debatable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
But wait wait, okay, it is debatable, but tell me
this or confirm this. It is certainly possible that they
can record if they choose to start doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Uh, it's something within the realm of pod pussibility. The
storage would be enormous, but the cost of storage continues
to go down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Instructed by some outside individual to listen to Oh yeah, here,
but we're from the government. We want you to start
listening to Dave Hatter's device because he's he's got a
tinfoil on his hat. We're a little worried about him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
It's like the old, old orwell telescreen, except you you volunteer. Yeah,
you put it to participate. And you know. The other
thing is there have been studies done where they'll take
these devices, put them in a room, turn a TV on,
and see how many times that they activate, even and
by activate, what I mean is actually engaged start doing
something right Again, you can argue about what it's doing

(01:04:40):
when it's not activated, but they'll put these things in
a room, turn on a TV, let it play, and
then see how many times it activates. Even though the
specific weake word, hot word, wake phrase, whatever they call it,
was not uttered. Yeah, and it's it's pretty alarming if
you look into this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Well, how many people do you know that have you
sort of target marketing ads after having a conversation about
something they otherwise normally wouldn't search for or talk about.
I mean, my sister had this experience. I don't know
what it was, and I want to say it was somebody,
if not, my sister had an experience that they weren't
ever looking for RVs to rent. They weren't heavy, they
didn't care about them, They never searched for them themselves independently,

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but they ended up having a conversation about RVs. Someone
was going to plan on renting one and going out
for a month on the road, and all the ins
and outs and involved with that. She started getting marketing
regarding to RV's on her devices. Now that's creepy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
It is to me again, I know people will say, well,
I don't have anything to hide, I don't care about
privacy and so forth. But to your point, you know,
as the winds change out there, you might in the future,
and thanks to the low cost of storage if people
were hoovering this stuff up and saving it, could someone

(01:05:55):
go back and retroactively analyze whatever they've collected and say,
wait a minute, six years ago you said or did acts. Yeah,
they could. I mean these things have been used in
court cases. They've been used to convict people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And against politicians for prior statements. Because it's all out
there somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, so I would. I would just remind folks you
should again, I don't use this voice activated stuff. Could
it be listening to me anyway? Maybe? But you know,
if it has that kind of capability turned on, I
turn it off unless and until I want to use it,
And that would be my You know, the less of
the so called Simmart devices you have the better. And

(01:06:32):
for anything that can listen to you interact with you
at that level, my suggestion is turn it off.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Perfect, perfect, perfect, turn it off. Period. In the story
Tech Friday, data coming from tech Friday's Dave Hatter, turn
off the tech turn it off. We'll do it again
next Friday. Thank you again to your company interest it
and for sponsoring the segment. Such an important thing. We
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it dot com. Dave, have a fantastic weekend, brother. I

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appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Oh, it was my pleasure. Talk to you. Next week.
Off to Queen City con Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Oh, have fun. We'll get an update on that next week.
Have fun. Seven. I was six here but you about
KRC detalk station. I was so pleased to find out
that George Venaman and Keith Tennifild we're going to be
in the studio this hour, because well it's Friday and

(01:07:26):
early in the program the phones weren't even working, so
I was going to be left to my own devices
for a full hour. But no, we get to learn
about wellness. We get to try to improve our health
and learn about some new cutting edge research that we
are going to talk about today. George and Keith you
can find him online at Restore Wellness dot org. Of course,
if you remember, Keith is a nurse practitioner specializing in
areas of health and the diet and improving your body.

(01:07:49):
He's over with an organization called root Cause. They're Inharrison, Keith.
It's always a pleasure to having you, and of course
George Brennman, the other man behind restore Wellness dot org.
They got great information materials, links and resources, so check
it out. It's all about you helping yourself and help
them help you, and that's what we're here to do today. Guys.
It's great to see you both. I was just waxing

(01:08:10):
puetok over my wonderful outcome at my physical yesterday, and
you guys were part of my inspiration to change my diet.
Started that last year because I had that CT scan
showing my loaf nodes at increase and that's of course
cancer related, and I found out about the link between
cancer and sugar started researching that, so I did a
full on keto up until Thanksgiving. I think it's kind

(01:08:32):
of funny because Thanksgivings fast approaching, so I broke the
full keto by enjoying some of the mom's of turkey
and dressing and stuffing and a little carbs. I didn't
go overwhelmed, but I used that moment in time to
sort of stop the full keto and then just focus
on keeping the sugar out of my diet and limiting
my carbs significantly, which is what I've been doing ever since.

(01:08:56):
My blood work was so awesome. Everything that we talked
about it just it was also great. My blood pressure
was down. I couldn't believe that it's just been a
tremendous thing, and there was the objective information in front
of me. Now, is there a correlation between my diet
and the great numbers I had yesterday in contrast to

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all the other numbers from the prior years that I
was staring at. I don't know, but it's the one
thing in my life that I have changed, so I'm
pointing to that. But I also feel better. You guys,
we were talking about that. I have a better just
a general outlook on life. I don't feel is mentally taxed.
I don't know that I'm thinking more clearly. I think
I actually think less clearly. But I just feel like

(01:09:38):
a better person, a happier person. And again I can only.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
It isn't an amazing how much changes just by changing
your diet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Right because I haven't exercised yet. Now, I say yet someday.
I keep promising you gys, but thank you for the inspiration.
I kind of go through this long wooded thing to
try to get people to say, you know what it
may be worth listening to George and Keith about these
things because we do have some really really cool stuff
to talk about. By way of sugar and cancer with
the the interview you did with doctor Thomas Seyfried, amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
This is this guy, Doctor Thomas Seyfried is a professor
out at Boston, Massachusetts. He's doing it for a very
very long time, I believe, I want to say nineteen
sixty nine is really well.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
His book on cancer came out in twenty twelve, so
he's had this answer for at least a decade now
regarding this, and his research is getting to the point
now where you know, we did an interview with him
on Monday, and the end result of talking to him
was cancer is not a death sentence. There is a
way to treat it. And he's been at the forefront

(01:10:40):
of this for over a decade now, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
And how this kind of came down to Pike is,
you know, we've been doing a lot of all lable
self care, natural approaches to help facilitate cancer treatment at
our place. And so because of ivermectin that I use
and everything else, I was known as the avermectin guy,
and people started reaching out saying, hey, cancer, this cancer
that can you help me account help my family? And
I got in contact with this gentleman named Jimbo Collins

(01:11:05):
over on the West Side and his father had cancer,
and so we started talking to me and sending me
videos of this guy or this, this treatment, this option,
and doctor Thomas Seyffred came across and anyway, so we
kind of started digging into a little bit more of
his stuff, and before I knew it, I just sent
him an email. I said, hey, doctor Thomas Sefred, would
you like to come and be on our podcast? And
he said yes, And from there it's just really lit up.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
You know how we want to.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Be able to present this data to your listeners, which
is pretty profound.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Okay now, and I hate to keep bringing up the
only thing I know is my own personal experience of
what run the line. But part of the idea was
of taking sugar out of my dat is to maybe
maybe it might help with my lymphoma. Now, I'd never
seen a study that connected anything but hard cancer, solid
cancers to the reduction in sugar and having an impact
on it. Clearly there is that relationship, and that's documented,

(01:11:52):
no nothing out on lymphoma. But I thought, what the hell,
maybe they'll do a white paper brought me sometimes so
after the scan that showed that the noes had increase,
suggesting I might have to go back on treatment, which
I never did. The most recent scan from a few
months ago showed they actually had gotten smaller.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Whether there's a corollary, but it's the only thing I
changed in my life.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
Just to give you a little perspective, this research was
actually begun in nineteen twenty the sugar cancer research. The
sugar cancer research was done by a German scientist, Otto
Warburg in nineteen twenties. He's a Jewish scientist doctor in
Nazi Germany. He was kept alive because Hitler was afraid

(01:12:36):
of cancer and he knew this guy knew how to
cure it. And his cure was basically starved the body
of sugar. And those papers made their way over to
the United States after the war. The Rockefellers and the
new pharma industry that was growing at that time suppressed
the data and it was only by accident that this

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Thomas Sefried found it. He was given a I think
the story is he was given a drug that supposedly
shrunk brain cancer. He was studying glioblastoma.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Yeah, I'm starting a seizures cazars and he learned that cancer. Well,
you're right, there was an opportunity for the He got
two grants. Basically he was working on with seizures and
and keto low sugar and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
These these seizures would go away.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
At the same time, he was working on cancer and
found his correlations and he was to had both of
these kind of things going on at the same time.
And then when he saw wait a minute, these rats
I think it was that were being also targeted for
diet was lowering their their.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
The brain cancer. So he was he was treating brain
cancer and childhood epilepsy at the same time. And childhood
epilepsy he was treating with a keto diet ketogenesis, and
he found out that the rats lost their brain cancer.
For you did the same thing. And then he uncovered
the research for model water and he's been going on
and on ever since. But you know, like he's connecting

(01:13:57):
the dots, connecting the dots, proving it. This guy, you
can tell it's a very technical if you listen to
the interview, it's extremely technical. So we actually did a
second podcast that we're gonna have out over the weekend
or next week that we.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
We sort of go aside in the summer and put
it in language and eighth grader connement.

Speaker 7 (01:14:18):
But well, what I liked is this guy thinks the
way I like to think. What are the equations that
govern the chemical the chemical processes of cancer, and what's
the what's the role of genetics. Well, it turns out
gene ICs has no roll in cancer, and they've had
some experiments that prove this that if you take the
nucleus of a cancer cell put it in a healthy cell,
cancer doesn't happen. So it's not genetic. It's it's definitely mitochondrial,

(01:14:43):
just like everything else we talk about. It's it's the
energy production in your cells that when that's destroyed by
hypergressed corn syrup and carbs and you know, all of
these other things that are unnatural, suddenly your body susceptible
to cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
So unnatural in the sense that, at least from a
history perspective, during our genetic development over the millennia, we
never had these high concentrations of sugar, soor mitochondria aren't
equipped to deal with them, and somehow the mass infusion
that we've started with over the past let's saye hundred
years or something, has transformed the way it produces energy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Well, or the way I understand that. The number one paleo. Right,
So there were a bunch of cave men running around.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Yeah, that's kind of I'm thinking of the back of
my mind, right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
So they're running, they're hunting, they're gathering, they're doing all
this physical activity number one. And there wasn't like abundant
food sources, so they weren't eating a lot and it
was all basically a protein and or.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
Fiber kind of diet. Paleo diet.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Secondary when a cancer or any cell starts to disregulate
the ability for it to survive under normal oxygenation decreases
and therefore the cell starts to get energy differently, and
that's that's probably been going on for a very very
long time. But since sugar is fed by cancer, were
cancer feeds off of sugar and we add that to
our diet, cancer starts to be more abundant.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
And so he makes the case of like in the
United States, the number one killer of domestic dogs is cancer.
Wolves in the wild never get cancer. It's because we
started feeding the dogs, as he puts it, the same
crap we feed ourselves. Oh wow, if you feed a
dog just nothing but meat, it's not gonna get cancer.
If you feed a human nothing but meat, it's not
gonna get cancer. And some of the tribes in Africa

(01:16:25):
and the Aborigines in Australia, when they study them, they
don't even have a word for cancer because it doesn't happen.
They have to hunt their food. They go long periods
of time without eating, so intermittent fasting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
There was a fasting element in there.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
Yeah, all these things that prehistoric man understood but we've forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Oh let's pause. We'll bring Keith and George back, have
more discussions on our collective health. Here first word for
people seven twenty year if if you about krs DE
talk Station Restore Wellness Dot Org, George Venaman, Keith tennefell
behind that, Keith nurse practitioner. George just a brilliant guy
who's in in health and wellness. But do you been
through this whole experience yourself? Man?

Speaker 7 (01:17:03):
So I'm actually in the middle of a fast after
all of our talking about fasting and whatever. So I
met two and a half days into it. Oh wow,
it's an interesting process.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Okay, now that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
I'm glad you started out with that, because there's a
the tail line. You mentioned a fasting component to this,
so talking about cancer underlying the health and the health
benefits of getting sugar out of your diet and the
research that was done by this physician that they had
some interaction with what was his name, Thomas Sefreed. So
more on that in the moment here. But the fasting
component when we're talking about, because that sounds I remember

(01:17:37):
my initial reaction when you start saying, well you really
need a fast, It was like, God, there's no freaking
way I'm going to be able to fast. But what
do we talk about in terms of length of time
of a fast? I mean, can we do short term fasting?
What benefit do you get? Go ahead, and let's talk
about the details of this concept of fastest.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
So we did talk to him in detail, doctor Sefreed,
And he's not an MD, he's a PhD. To make
that clear research the same way I have to say,
I'm not an empt. But the interesting thing is we
started with the sixteen eight is what you normally think
of as intermittent fasting. So you don't eat for sixteen
hours and you eat during an eight hour period every

(01:18:13):
single day. And I've been doing that forever. That's actually
kind of easy. You just sort of cut out breakfast
and you're done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
You know, it's pretty much my routine. I don't eat
anything after dinner, say, let's say nothing after six pm,
and most days, even though I have my banana most
days of sleighs here and I don't eat anything until
about nine thirty, ten o'clock.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
That's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
See, you makes me eighteen and Keith, you can.

Speaker 7 (01:18:37):
Go into what sixteen eight does versus.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Well, Basically, you're just igniting your your liver to start
doing its job, putting you in a glaconeogenesis which allows
you to convert you know, your storage food or your
protein into energy instead of having to depend on sugar
all the time, if via carbohydrates.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
So that helps improve your your your liver function scores
when you get a blood to So in spite of
your best efforts to harm your liver with your other activities,
by doing this fasting thing regularly and routinely, you can
keep the liver in good health. That's right, because there's
the answer, Doctor Pritchard anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
And at the same time, you're burning a lot of
the fat they sometimes accumulates in the liver making livers.
She would, wouldn't you exactly, And so that kind of
continuous situation. We eat too much in America anyway, right, Yes,
we always this three mil a day thing is a scam.
That's that's a food industry gimmick, and we don't need
to be doing that. I am a big component of
making sure that you round up protein nicely throughout the day.

(01:19:34):
So I mean, there is some research that we really
haven't talked much about, but people can do a bulk
of protein in the morning and a bulk of protein
in their in their later meals. A bulk being roughly
half your body weight as far as kilograms go, So
you should be anywhere from like point six to one
gram of protein per kilogram.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Gram per kilogram, Okay, if.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
You're weigh two hundred pounds, you're look at about one
hundred grams at a one milligram per kilogram or one gram,
so roughly anywhere from fi do you to one hundred grams
of protein for a two hundred pound patient or person
if you're especially if you're working out, then you can
bring that protein.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Up as well.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
But is twice a day rough?

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
Yeah, exactly and two meals a day? How am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
If you're working out, some people eat a lot more
frequently throughout the day because of their glucose index and
their needs for that. But when you start lengthening that fast,
then you start doing some really cool stuff where you
start in the beginning, you start breaking down cells that
your body doesn't need. It goes around chewing up things,
and it will know I don't need that cell that
cells dysfunctional aka cancer cells, right, and so you start

(01:20:34):
to actually chew up old cells, bad cells, dead cells.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
As energy sources.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Okay, and then you start getting into stem cell production,
where your body is now in a semi kind of like, hey,
we need to start really regenerating our cellulars like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
A desperation mode. My god, we're not gonna any food
coming in here, right, and that's why you produce.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
You are a huge fan of the longer fast.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Yeah, that's the next question was going to have. So
what I'm doing intimate and fast thing? Fun? But you said,
then you move into the longer fat. How long are
we talking about here? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I mean I would love to see people in a
four day past for how long?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I mean for how how frequently?

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
How frequently? Yeah, I don't people do it different.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
I would say a least probably once a month if
you really want to knock out cancer, if you.

Speaker 7 (01:21:16):
Want to knock out cancer. But for health, I've seen
most of them say like once a quarter or something.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Okay, and you want to clean out the engine that way.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
So we've been doing this for like a year. I've
gone as long as two days before. This is the
first time I've tried longer than two. And what's interesting
is you get these hits. So like around ten o'clock
the first day, you know, I haven't eaten since six pm,
ten o'clock, which is when I normally started to eat. Right,
I'm hungry. Well, if you can rough it out for
two hours, that goes away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Help drink a glass of water.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
Drink of water, and then you know, some salt with
your water, just so you got to Celtic sea salt. Yeah,
sea salt. And then what was interesting with me this
time was when I got to you know, thirty six
forty hours, I started to feel like I was starving. Yeah,
I told my wife. I said, I'm going to quit tonight,
you know, meeting today. Yes, I woke up this morning,

(01:22:07):
I've got hungry. I feel fine.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
It's like, shoot, I could.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
Go another day, but now I'm looking forward to you know,
sooner tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Well, in your experience, George, and I suppose this is
well documented, just ride out those hunger pangs because there
is a light at the end of the tunnel in
a few hours down the road. It's interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:22:25):
And I only did this because I've been getting yelled
at here for a year, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Yeah, yeah, he's like to you what my wife is
to me.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
So I thought, okay, I'll give it a shot. And
like last night, going to bed, I had the migraines
I get because I get migraines, but that all went
away this morning. It's like, Okay, you gotta just trust
the process. So now I'm a believer. So next time
I do this, I do what Thanksgiving, I'll go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Longer do kind of a Surgeon General's warning, and that
makes sure that you stay hydrated, very very important because
of the process of going into ketosis. You really need
water to help clear out all the keytones and your
kidneys and everything. Else and it can cause a problem.

Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
Yeah, and don't be far from a bathroom while you're
doing that, so make sure you're drinking plenty of water.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Plenty of water. More with George and Keith or Restore
Wellness dot Org. It's seven twenty six right now if
you have KRCD talk station, oh I Love twenty two
three on Rope forty two between Mason and eleven and
s Happy Friday, Happy Healthy Friday with George Brenman and
Keithenfield in sidio. Go to Restore Wellness dot org. You
guys have that podcast with doctor or with Professor Thomas

(01:23:28):
Seafried on your Restore Wellness dot org website. So if
people are wildly curious about what he had to say,
even though it is technical, you're going to release a
follow up public podcast to break this down a little
bit more so. We talked about the direct correlation the
research that's been going on for decades and decades between
sugar and cancer. Talked about keto being profoundly influential on

(01:23:52):
well reducing cancer living, the size, the spread, killing it
basically by depriving it of the nutrients it's looking for
or the sugar it's looking for you talked about fasting
and the importance of fasting. You get this process going.
I know the E word is going to come in.
Let's get it out of the way. Exercise go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
Well, exercise is the cheat of the system. So one
way to get rid of sugar is never put it in.
The other way to get that sugar is to exercise.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, see, if you don't want to exercise, can you
just take this, take the bull by the horns and
eliminate the sugar.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
Right, that's a great way. Look, starve yourself to death
and you'd be great. I mean anyway, So let's talk
about what muscle is. Muscle is a fantastic organ. It
does more things for your body than probably anything else.
And you can grow muscle, you can make more of
an excellent thing. And when you let your body go
to waste and then you don't move muscles, and it starts,
especially after your the age of forty, muscle starts to disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
Cycopenia is what they call it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
And so if you can imagine, if we need muscle
in order to absorb sugar, and we go work out
and build more muscle, we're gonna absorb more sugar when
we're going to keep that glucose index lower, therefore lowering
your risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, the whole gamut
because high sugar causes so much disease.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Okay, so can you say absorbed sugar that that's taking
it out of your body because it's using it to
actually convert to energy as opposed to fueling the growth
of cancer.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
The more muscle you have, the more resting metabolic rate
you have, so you're burning muscle or sorry, burning fat,
doing absolutely nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:24):
If you have more muscle, I see.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
It's an engine, like just this metabolic engine, if you will.
And the more muscle you have, the more your metabolic
process happens.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Pretty cool, it really is.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
And so the exercise is like if you wanted to
supercharge what you're doing with your diet. So if you
if you just do the diet alone, yes, things are
going to get better. If you can keep your body
in keytosis, things are going to get better, and not
just cancer. I mean, like let's just say it, it's everything.
Type two diabetes will go away, dementia risk goes way

(01:25:55):
down if you're in ketose.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
So there is a correlation between this and dementia risk
as well.

Speaker 7 (01:26:00):
Oh absolutely. In fact, the only drug that works for
dementia right now is keto. They keep trying all these
drugs that try.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
To make this whole plaque build up path and apparently
that is that apparently didn't work out.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
Two things you can.

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
Do for dementia or go into katosis and stop taking statins.
You need that cholesterol to build your brain back up.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Now I'm talking like a doctor, So back now. You're
doing a fantastic job, and I appreciate it. And I
think the other aspect to this is that exercise needs
to be looked at as just as important as sleeping,
just as important as eating and drinking water and breathing.
I mean, it is essential to our life. We talked
about the Paleo like everybody was moving back then, and
we weren't. You had to kill your We were sying

(01:26:44):
because we broke a bone and it got massively infected.
We didn't have antibiotics back then, but we died healthy.
Here we are just getting eaten away because of sedentary lifestyle.
So if we were too, honestly, as a country, if
we were to exercise at least five days a week,
you know, make it a part of your routine because
I need to, because I have a sit down job,
or whatever it might be. You would be so healthy,

(01:27:06):
everybody be so healthy, we would be disease would start
to go away. We'd actually start to move the mark
on cancer risk and heart disease. But instead nobody's getting
cured of those things right. And my friend Jimbo Collins,
he is a jim on the West Side. He is
the healthiest guy I know, and he's he's ripped right.
He works out all the time, and I admire that.
And because I became friends with him, I have also

(01:27:28):
understood and seen the benefits of exercise.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I know. See, I'm not in a position to deny
any of this. I'm just I can repeat chapter and
verse for like the next hour all the reasons that
people should exercise. And I had my own physician yesterday
doing the same thing. He said, you know, Brian, you
might when I said, I can tell you what you're
going to say, like, you know, just talk to my wife.
And how many times has she had these exact same

(01:27:52):
conversations with me or anybody like Keith and George worked
out too. She works well in a sense, every single
day she takes Liam out to the park and does
at least a couple of miles while either walking or
for fast running chasing the dog around. Yeah, and Liam
gets probably quadruple that running around chasing the laser being
But yeah, every single day my wife is and that's

(01:28:15):
what she'll say to that. She goes, I got into
the park and walk.

Speaker 6 (01:28:17):
You can at least get up and walk the dog.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I know, I know, I know. Seven thirty six more
with Keith and George. After I mentioned cross Country Mortgage
Great top station seven forty here fifty five K see
the talk station Time to Restore Health Restore Health Dot Org,
Keith NFL, George Brodman in studio. We're talking to restore
it's restore wellness rather restore cancer the underlying theme for this.

(01:28:39):
But overall it's all about diets. So even if you
don't have cancer, everything George and Keith that you're talking
about is strongly encourage really for everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:28:49):
Because it's they're all the same symptom. I mean, the
book Good Energy from Casey means who hopefully will be
surge in general soon. But her book is totally focused
on what happens when the energy in your cells is
not being fed properly and not working properly. It leads
to all of those diseases, type two, diabetes, dementia, cancer,
all of them. And so you're right, this is this

(01:29:11):
is kind of like the foundation for not getting sick
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Understood, Get ahead of it and you don't have to
deal with the aftermath. That's fine, so Keith. Earlier in
the show, unless you're so, I know you're off air,
you were saying, I don't want to sound preachy. I
don't want to sound like I'm lecturing. I don't think
it necessarily does. But I know where you're coming from.
It is out of an abundance of care and concern
for people generally speaking that this advice comes from. Sometimes

(01:29:38):
takes a hammer to get people to follow the advice,
but at least you're providing it, and I applaud you
guys for doing that, whether or not someone follows it
or not. And the only reason I bring up my
own personal you know reality on this because I've been
with the before part and i've been with the afterpart,
and I didn't pursue it as headlong as you guys
are recommending. I haven't done multi day fast. I do

(01:29:59):
these little periodic fast kind of thing. But I'm living
proof that if you do something along these lines, you're
gonna definitely notice it, and it's going to improve your
life to some degree. My life could be improved to
a greater degree if I again started regularly exercising and
doing some of the other things, but earlier in the program.
So I hope I apologize for your lecturing concerns there
real quick, they're keep thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
You had mentioned this, and this came up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
During COVID Ivermeckedin and and anybody who's uttered the word
iver meted in at one point, Ah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:28):
You're crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
It's a horse pill.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
You know this is insane.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Donald Trump evil orange man. Because Trump said Ivermechedin out
loud a couple of times. I don't know. Pharmacies were
prohibited from even filling prescriptions for it, which is to
me the intrusion into the doctor patient relationship like no
other I've ever witnessed in my life. But what's the
story with this stuff? What's I mean it does? It's
it goes after parasites, So how in the hell does that?

(01:30:51):
That was a design for treating animals and is a
proof for human use. You mentioned, Keith, what the.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Hell's it got to do with this diet styf so
regarding it asying, Thomas Sefried said that he was going
to study ivermectin in the research back in twenty twenty
three for this particular situation, but it was too political,
so they chose me menmendazol, which is similar to femmindazol
and ivermectin and albindazol.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
So they're all the same drug category.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Yes, okay, they're basically anti parasitics. And what Thomas Sefree
came did to learn is that the same food source
that parasites use is the same food source that cancer uses.
So basically, when you have parasites, you're producing this cancer
fuel and vice versa. And so that's why there's this
potential link between when you have cancer you have parasites.
But at the same time, anti parasitics has also been

(01:31:37):
shown to actually disrupt cell membrane and cancer as well,
So glucose glutamine parasite food, glucose glutamine cancer.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
Food in the in the the ivermectans of the world
block that reaction. So the same chemistry that parasites use
for energy is the same chemistry cancer uses.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
And so therefore him thing that you like to take this.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
This is why I liked it, what the whole discussion
is because it was extremely technical. But you understand that
this guy's looking at it from the equations of chemistry
and he's saying, these anti parasitics are so parasite stuff
works because it's the same process.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Idiot Thomas, no law or no, not licensed to practice medicine,
not even close. It's sort of an off label use. Yes,
ivermacdinf and Bendazel and the other ones were designed to
deal with, you know, parasites and animals, but humans can
benefit from these to get rid of their parasites that
might live in their body. But parenthetically, in addition to

(01:32:39):
doing that completely separate from its anti parasitic function, it
also has the effect of impacting this this cellular relationship
between the cancer.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Cancer survive as well.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
And then we get back into drug research and the
finances and the money behind that. You know, the whole
industry and these medicines has been around for a very
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
So so there's an center for the pharmaceutical company to
diss and otherwise belittle anybody who might mention it along
these lines because they have patented pharmaceuticals out there which
nobody would buy if they realized that these drugs did
the same thing, and they're basically over the count do
it back.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
And we also found an ivermectin was also anti viral
as well, and that was where the whole Fauci thing
came out.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
Don't treat your COVID with horse medicine, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
And so I find that I'm also frustrated with the
medical industry and that doctors only are allowed so many
minutes per visit for their patients at the same time
they have to push certain drugs or as they're getting
dinged or they're not meeting this benchmark or this checklist.
And I really would love for this whole industry to
really wake up. And I believe that physicians really want
to do what's best for their patients, but their hands

(01:33:42):
are being tied down by these financial obligations.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Well, the financial obligations, but separate from that, you know,
physicians are also influenced by social media, and if they
were to even suggest out loud the word ivermectin, they're
probably in a room with a patient who thinks it's
oh my god, horse pill. Didn't you hear what Fauci
said about the horse pills? And so they're gonna be
met with that. You know, that that wall of belief
that has been parroted since COVID nineteen was going around.

(01:34:06):
I do give propaganda if you will, I do give
them credit. Though, the feedback that I'm getting from patients
is that the oncologists in the cancer areas are starting
to say, yeah, I mean, we hear a lot of
new things about ivermectin, and there seems to be this
open conversation starting to happen. They don't tell you no,
don't do it. Before they might have said no, no,
you don't want to do that, but now they're saying,

(01:34:26):
go ahead, I'm not going to stop you. Maybe it
might work. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
And the key point behind what we're trying to present
today is that that Thomas Sefree's work showed that when
you put people on a keto diet or a glucos
restriction diet, and at the same time, if you can
do gludamin blockers or in my case, supplements, you will
increase the duration of their life expectancy and quality.

Speaker 7 (01:34:49):
I mean, if you think about chemo, you've been through chemo,
you don't feel.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Chemo retuxin it was not a chemo agent, thank god.

Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
But when you go through chemo. I've watched my father.
I mean, the guy lost tons of way. It's so
horrible when he died. It's this horrible process, this approach.
You feel better and better every day because all of
your other problems are going away along with.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
The cancers, and you're not killing a good chunk of
your body that you really want to stay alive with
the chemos and.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Thomas Sifred also show that radiation and chemotherapy increase the
fuel sources for cancer aka glucose and gludamine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Oh wow, A right, one more bad thing associated with
chemo seven forty seven. One more segment with the folks
from Resort Wellness dot Org after I mentioned Simney Care fireplaces,
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Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
Seven fifty one, come.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Up at seven fifty two to fifty five ker CD
talk station George Betaman, Keith Tennefeld in studio and really
enjoy these since I think I feel him as inspirational honestly,
because again I give you guys a lot of credit
for me moving over to a much much healthier diet,
and I honestly one hundred percent would not lie to
any of my listening audience. I do feel a hell

(01:35:57):
of a lot better. And again, going back to the numbers,
I god for my dock yesterday, for my physical they
look great. I mean a significant improvement over the by
comparison over the years, So thank you guys. And again,
the CT scan that I most recently got showed that
removing sugar from my diet at least might have had
the impact of making the lymphodes get smaller. I can't

(01:36:18):
give it one hundred percent credit, but what you guys
are telling me allows me to have greater confidence that
the effort did have an impact on the cancer.

Speaker 7 (01:36:26):
And that's kind of the bottom line is. You know,
when people are diagnosed with cancer, they feel the angel
of deaths on them. Now that there's no hope for this,
we're not going to be able to do anything. The
bottom line is, no, that's not true anymore. There is
something you can do. Actually it doesn't cost any money.
It's it's changing your diet.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Well, it might even exercise. There's no more mountain dew
line item in your gross you're definitely not going to
take everything that you wouldn't be buying if you are
eliminating sugar, like I went so far as did not
even eat barbecue sauce, Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:36:59):
Wow, because you know it's got Oh yeah yeah. Or
you can look for the ones adult, which is what
we use.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, it don't taste much.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
But the key is, it's up to you. It really
is up to you. If you are diagnosed with cancer
or if you're just not feeling good, there you go.
You can try these things. They don't cost anything. They
take a ton of self discipline.

Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:37:19):
One of the things that I liked that he talked
about was the idea that he's going to create this app.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Seafree is oh this doctor or the physician HD.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
So he's basically going to have a like a continuous
glucose monitor. So you put this the sensor on your
arm and the app tells you, hey, you can have
that donut. But when you look at the app after
you eat the doughnut, oh golly, my keytones went down,
my glucose went up. It's now telling me my cancer
is growing bright red. Oh are you gonna eat a
second doughnut. Now no, But I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Like your parents standing in the room watch it's like, well, right,
only one well and place.

Speaker 7 (01:37:55):
It's not a death sentence, and none of life shouldn't
be a death sentence. I mean, yeah, we're all going
to die at the end of it, but how do
you want to live it? How do you want to
feel when you're eighty. I always come back to my
standard line is I want to be able to get
up off the floor after playing with the grand kids, right,
I mean, that's that's the bottom line.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
But I thought, I think the reason that we don't
do these healthy options is because we lack maybe self worth,
self identity, whatever it might be. And so if we
can flip that and start doing self care, and we
start really dialing in and saying, I need to care
for myself in all the ways of my life diet, exercise, sleep, rest, relationships,
and really spend time dialing in and feeling that connection

(01:38:34):
with the why you're doing it, the reasons why you're
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Well, you know, it may be boiled down to the
stuff just tastes so blank and good. I mean, diving
into a bag of nacho cheese door itta is maybe
the idea of I mean, someone's idea of heaven, and I.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
Love be engineered to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
I love right right right, And see that's kind of
how I've been able to stay the hell away from
It's like they were designed to make you feel really
elated when you eat them. This is why I can't.
You have to eat a old bag the damn things when.

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
You all make you feel elated and you're still hungry
after you ate the whole bag.

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
But see that if you know that that's stimulating dopamine
to make you feel better, the question is why do
you need to feel better that?

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
I think if we get through the root of that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Oh oh, why why do people eat when they're depressed.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
Or drink alcohol or do drugs or all these other addictions. Yeah,
so we get to the bottom of that you personally identifying,
and I think it's I honestly believe if you really
want to get groovy, is that there's a there's something
missing on the inside and trying to fill it up
with something else that makes them feel better. But once
they start to love themselves and they start to just
really have this great relationship, they don't need to be

(01:39:39):
filled up with anything but themselves and then self care
starts to perpetuate.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
George, Keith, I appreciate what you guys are doing. It's
Restore Wellness dot Org. There's tips information the podcast. They're
going to be doing the follow up podcasts, so follow
George and Keith. And again Keith's with root Cause, which
is the name of his business in Harrison, Restore Wellness
dot Org. Keith, George, thank God for what you guys
are doing. I appreciate your influence on my life and diet,
and I know you're doing that for a lot of

(01:40:05):
other people, and that's why I'm so pleased to be
able to bring you in the morning show from time
to time to keep people on the right track or
maybe get them to try out going on the right track.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
Thank thanks for keep on having us out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Love it, man, absolutely love it. Learned something every week.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Jack in for the latest. They want to make sure
everything's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Fifty five KRC the talk station. Heto six here. I
think you about KRCD talk station and been looking forward
to this conversation since I found out we have this
Holocaust exhibit coming in or that is in town. All right,
the since a museum Center at the Nancy and David
Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center, and I have Elizabeth Pierce,

(01:40:42):
who happened to be the president and CEO of the
museum Center, along with Jackie Conjado, the CEO of the
Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center, in studio
to talk about not just the Humanity Center the Museum
Center generally speaking, but about this new exhibit, which sounds
to me like it it adds a slightly darker element
to what I came away with, as I don't want

(01:41:05):
to call it necessarily uplifting, but a positive experience. When
I attended the Holocaust and Humanity Center's exhibit when it
was in its prior location, I expected really to be sad, depressed, overwhelmed,
because you know, anybody has any measure of familiarity with
the Holocaust knows you're not going to go in there
with a grin on your fhaser come out all smiling

(01:41:27):
and whistling. But there was a sense of like hope
and some measure of positivity, like the learning experience of
all the death and awful and horrific events. And yet
people came out the other side with these amazing stories
of survival and optimism for the future. Welcome to the studio, ladies.
It's so nice to have you in here. Thank you, Jackie.

(01:41:47):
You and I've talked about this before, and that's why
I asked you before the show started. Because this new
exhibit features over five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz, and
that's where the whole question concept of maybe darker element
comes in. Tell me how this comes across.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
It's an unprecedented presentation of sort of the facts of
what happened in this place through artifact, through story, and
the presentation at Museum Center is really unparalleled, I think
from anywhere else it's been. This has traveled the world,
and this is the last stop in the United States,
the only stop in the Midwest, and it is an
incredibly powerful, moving, emotional experience. And to your question about

(01:42:30):
you know, how do you leave feeling like you got
to go lay down or do you feel empowered? That's
our job at the Holocaust and Humanity Center is to
make sure that we integrate not only the local stories
in the exhibition, which we've done so you get an
understanding for the resilience, the rebuilding that happened in Cincinnati,
the fact that these survivors, you know, of this horrific
history came through the building where this exhibit now stands

(01:42:52):
at Union Terminal. But also we have this whole upstander
framework around agency and character strength, and the fact that
at any given moment, we can make a choice to
be the best of the worst of humanity, and that's
our agency, that's our choice. So we wrap the whole
thing in this idea that the best could still be
ahead of us if we choose that. And here's how
you can make that choice.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
So, and I understand your presentation at the Nancy and
David wolf Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center is comes across
this display of these artifacts. Your presentation comes across differently
than this display, and the presentation would come across if
it was seen in New York City or someplace else
around the world. You put the spin that you guys

(01:43:34):
are famous for on this rather potentially disturbing exhibit. Yeah,
and does it have elements of disturbing in it when
you're looking at it? I mean, let's be frank here,
what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Absolutely? I mean, you know, the artifacts are large concrete
posts with barbed wire. They are artifacts that are specific
to human beings, hair brushes, a child's shoe. I mean,
they are incredibly moving. That will take you to a
place of like, how did this happen? And that's the
question we want people to be framed with. And then

(01:44:05):
what is the response I should have going forward? And
how can I learn more? How can I get involved
with the upstand or framework. So it is we say
this a lot. It's where global history meets local history because,
as Jackie said, the survivors of Auschwitz came to Cincinnati,
they got off a train and walked through Union Terminal.
So to have the Auschwitz exhibition and the survivor's story

(01:44:28):
told in this place where the history happened is part
of that resilience and courage message, and it's part you know,
the title is Auschwitz, not long ago, not far away,
and we are trying to make the point that this
did not happen a thousand years ago on a planet
far far away. It happened in our lifetimes and our grandparents' lifetimes,

(01:44:51):
and it happened in a place that we all come
and go all afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
And in our humanity and in our humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
I'm so glad you made that point because I just
turned sixty, you know, and there's sort of this milestone
birth and you look back at you know, what happened
between nineteen sixty five when I was born and now
nineteen sixty five. That was only twenty years after we
won the war. I mean, that's just twenty years. Is
nothing I can look back think about twenty years ago.
It's almot as if it happened yesterday. So context. As

(01:45:20):
you get older, you get to experience this profound context.
As a young person, think, oh my god, nineteen forty
five or nineteen thirty eight or whatever that was wherever ago.
That's never going to happen again. No, that's why you
need to study the mistakes of the past. We still
regularly study, and importantly so the horrors of slavery, for example.
We're not going to forget that moment in time. We
don't want it to happen again. I just don't understand

(01:45:42):
people's reluctance in some cases, the backcrap, crazy folks who
even deny that this even happened. Do you have to
struggle with that in a regular basis?

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Well, I got to tell you, you come through this exhibition,
there's no denying any of this history, I mean, it
is so, it is so laid bare. And also to
the folks who are deniers, I'm going to quote are
incredible survivor Henry Finischel, who survived berg at Belsen, whose
father was killed in Auschwitz. He often says his story
was a lot like Anne Franks, except he survived and

(01:46:11):
Anne perished. And he says to the deniers, I tell
them your heroes. The Nazis would roll over in their
graves if they heard you denying the Holocaust. They were
so proud of what they were doing. They documented every step.
In fact, many of the perpetrators were brought to justice
on their own evidence. They didn't need any witnesses, any victims, survivors.

(01:46:33):
They were planning to celebrate forever that they had rid
the world of what they deemed to be right, the
ultimate boogeyman, evil, the Jewish people. Of course, all you know,
fake propaganda. But this people don't understand that this didn't
happen because a group of evil people just popped up

(01:46:54):
out of nowhere in the nineteen thirties in Germany. This
happened because people like you and I, civilized, normal human
beings going about their everyday lives. We're convinced to believe misinformation,
bad information, you know, Libelist propaganda about who Jews were,
allowed them to justify to themselves that they were doing
the right thing, They were doing the right thought, they

(01:47:16):
were doing the right thing. So this challenges us with
like needing to look in the mirror. Are we doing
the right thing? Are we doing the right thing? Are
we believing the right information? Are we checking what we
read and what we understand? Are we gut checking our
own biases? Or are we just doing what we're told?

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Oh boy, you were right in my wheelhouse with comments
like that because of the political divisions we have in
this country and the screaming and the anger and the
vitriol that goes from both sides of the political ledger.
But you know, celebrating the attempted assassination or the outright
assassination of someone and justifying and saying it was right,
you know why, because that person's message was bad. I mean,

(01:47:56):
you know, we have political dissent in this country depends
on where you stand the political life, and we welcome
and invite discourse. We have free speech, we have free exercise.
The idea is the great exchange of ideas that maybe
the truth will filter out. But you don't go around
killing people or otherwise using someone else or that happen
to be their race as a scapegoat for broader problems.
It's an easy excuse. But it's like people I think

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want to offload their personal responsibility for any problems or
want to find an easy answer to some societally screwed
up problems like economics, whatever. Let's just blame the Jews,
let's just blame the black people, let's just fill in
the blank, let's blame that politician, or let's go after
evil orange man. That's an easy message to people for
people to consume. You mean, it's not my fault. You
mean this is going to be an easy fix. Just killed.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
We don't have to be involved in this right now.
Your point you're worried about agency is the important thing.
And I think the survivor story, right the survivors are
the ones who created the Holocaust and Humanity Center because
they said, you're not going to deny this. We were there,
it happened to us. Here's our testimony around this. And
they went on to create lives in this community because
they were resilient and courageous and they said no, not

(01:49:03):
on my watch.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
That's a great way of some And that's the best
explanation or response or retort that I have heard with
regard to the deniers. No, no, no, they would be
angry at you because you're saying it didn't exist. This
is something they were proud of. I'd never heard it
phrase that way. Yeah, that's a great retort.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Yeah, I think that, And I think the exhibition in
that way is a mirror. It really is. If you're
coming there to say, I want to feel, I want
to be more validated in my thinking about where the
boogeyman is or those evil people over there are, those
are the bad guys. This exhibition forces us to look
in the mirror at our responsibility, each one of us,

(01:49:41):
and what we have to do, because, as you said,
the problems are not left or right. The problems are
around extremism. Yeah, and how we can stand up for humanity,
for shared humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
The exhibit Auschwitz not Long Ago, not far away at
the Sincean Museum Center, We're going to continue the conversation
with Elizabeth tier Pierson, Jackie cunjeddo three forwards, Don't go away,
fifty five the talk station at Duke Energy Box Station,
a twenty fifty five per CD talk station. I am

(01:50:12):
enjoying the on air and off air discussions with Elizabeth Peters,
president's CEO of the Sinsame Museum Center Hall of Justice.
For those of you who might might want to remember
the architecture of the building. I was just telling Elizabeth,
it's got to be such a joy, Like I get
you out of bed feeling to get up and know
that you're going to work inside the Cincinnati Museum Center.

(01:50:33):
I mean, that's just got to be a cool experience.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Well, it's the most beautiful building I know, and it's
got all these layers of history and community connections and
people's prom dates and weddings and the whispers of I
Love you across the arches, and then the Superman movie
and the Justice League.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Yes, right, well, and you mentioned obviously we're talking about
the Auschwitz, not long ago, not far away museum or
exhibit temporary it is. We're going to details on how
long it's going to be, the tickets and all that
in a minute. Five hundred original artify from Auschwitz. Working
with the Nancy and David with Holocaust in Humanity Center.
Jackie Conjado CEO is in studio for that as well.

(01:51:09):
But that they walked through the building, I was reminded
of the survivors actually went through Union Terminal, the local ones.
When I remember as a kid, my grandpa told me
that World War Two, the either departing enlistees or the
returning veterans, if they were traveling through Union Terminal or
departing from a lot of them would take a nap. Well,

(01:51:32):
they put a tag on their shirt, I need to
catch the whatever number train. You know. He dressed in
his service uniform and people would come over and say,
it's getting time to get on your train. Wake them up.
And I just thought it was kind of a neat thing.
I can't image anybody being doing that these days, not
what you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Would happen in the airport. But you know, there was
the USO and it was staffed by women in the
community who were Catholic, Christian and Jewish women who were
coming to take care of these guys and give them
cookies and tea and like, you know, do the way
up call. So incredible history in this building just.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Amazing, and I was so blessed to be in a
position to actually go up and walk behind the iconic clock.
That was cool. I have you to thank for that, Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Anytime you want to come back, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
And Jackie Jado from the Nancy David Woof Holocausting Humanity
Center just told me that we should have a listener
lunch because Elizabeth that we met reminded me that really
early on we did have a listener launch at the
museum center. I think that was the time I was
able to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Yeah, but you would welcome a listener.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Lunch at the at the Holocaust US Humanity Center and
possibly for the exhibition's that's there now. I mean, the
great thing about this experience is, you know, Aschwitz not
long agoing out far away, this unprecedented look at this
place and space and time and the artifacts that come
with it. This will be with us for the next
six months, so we have this opportunity as a community
to really learn from the depths of this history, and

(01:52:52):
then we the Holocaust and Humanity Center will continue to
be there as a resource into perpetuity. So you know,
we we welcome you back. You know, we'd like for
people to come and see the exhibition, spend your time
in the exhibition, the Auschwitz Exhibition, and then you get
a discounted ticket with your purchase of the Auschwitz Exhibition
ticket to come to HHC and you can come back

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within six months.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
You can come back because there's so much to consume.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
There's a lot to consume. It's a lot to consume
in one day, and so you'll probably want to come back.
But there's more, there's there's all these layers of what
you can sort of learn by experiencing both places, like
we were talking about the upstand or framework, but also
the local survivor stories and you know this amazing exhibit
that you and I were talking about off air where
you can actually interact with a survivor in real time

(01:53:37):
ask questions.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Well, I'm going to let you elaborate in that component
of it. And when we come back from this break,
but or from this upcoming break is a couple minutes away.
But as to the exhibit, it is it the It
is at the Sinsame Museum Center until.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
April twelfth for twelve Now we might just tell people
like the end of March, because people need to have
a deadline and they always blow through it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
So and if they come early it's it's since you
with why museumcenter dot org. Can you get the tickets
there for the museum Center from the museum center's website.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
All of it is available right there on the ticketing
page of the museum Center's website.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
All right, because the Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust Humanity
Center has a separate website.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Yes, but when you buy your ticket for Auschwitz for
the Exhibition on CMC's website there it will prompt you
if you want to add on admission to the Holocaust
in Humanity Center. So it's all on one point.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Both the websites are pointing to the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
Wonderful, you've made it easy for it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
As long as you got meat covered, we're in great shape.
So through April twelfth, get a ticket in advance, clearly,
or tickets in advance. And again to emphasize the separate
ticket for the for the Humanity Center is a window
of six months perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Yep, all right and uh and Brian, it's you know,
with Veterans Day coming up, we have veterans discounts for
the Auschwitz exhibition, so three dollars off and general admission
for museum Center is free for veterans from the ninth
to the thirteenth next week, So more details on our website.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
All on the website which is again since you with
the y Museum dot org. Will continue with Elizabeth Pearce
and Jackie Kanjato because we're going to talk a little
bit about what they got going at the Holocaust in
Humanity Center with this artificial intelligence. It is really really wild.
Eight twenty five right now, don't go away, be right back.

Speaker 7 (01:55:23):
This is SIRC the talk station.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Twenty nine fifty five KCD talk station, thoroughly enjoying these
conversations on and off air. Elizabeth Piers, she's the President's
CE of the Sinsame Museum Center in studio with Jackie
Kanjato from the Nancy and David of Holocausting Humanity Center.
The temporary exhibit, which you really need to go to,
is called Auschwitz Not Long Ago, Not Far Away, featuring
over five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz. They have tied

(01:55:56):
and connected the exhibit to the city of Cincinnati, especially
tailored by the folks from the Holocausting Humanity Center, so
you get that Holocaust in Humanity Center feel. In spite
of the what I will just characterize the slightly more
bleak reality of some of these artifacts. And before we
get to the artificial intelligence amazingness that you have at

(01:56:17):
the Holocausting Humanity Center, Jackie, I asked you both, and
you both came up with the same answer. Of these
five hundred items from Auschwitz that you looked at, I said,
which one, if any, had the most profound influence or
your reaction was greatest about it? And you both identified
one item. Let my listeners know what that one item

(01:56:38):
is among these five hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
So it's a suitcase, and it is not just any suitcase.
It is the suitcase that Werner Copple, who was a
survivor of Auschwitz, who became a Cincinnati and who came
through Union Terminal, who was the first survivor in Cincinnati
to speak up and share his story. So we paved
the way for essentially our organization and our work. Werner
Copple was sort of famous for saying, I arrived at
Union Terminal with a wife a baby in a suitcase,

(01:57:02):
and that ended the first part of my life. And
so that is the suitcase that's on display back where
sort of that story pivoted in the same space where
that story pivoted, and we were so grateful to have
his son Steve with us to install the artifacts. Steve's
a board memories. He's just one of our family. And
when you come to see the exhibition, the very first

(01:57:23):
words you'll hear in the audio tour which guides you through,
are Werner Copple's words, I arrived in this building with
a wife, a baby in a suitcase. So right away,
not far away, not far away. This happened right here,
right in our city.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Rather emotional experience, I might imagine, Yeah, it's inact how
he was when he came through first year.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
You're gonna catch me in a moment where I don't
know exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
I think he was.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
He was, you know, mid aged, he had you know,
he had one child, Steve the second hit. Their second
son was born after they came to Cincinnati, but their
older son, Ron was a baby at the time, and
so you know, he was a he was a man.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
Who was just mid twenties.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
Just trying to the reason why I said.

Speaker 6 (01:58:02):
He didn't live instance any prior to that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
It wasn't like, no, he was in Germany, in Poland.
I want to make that clear, because you had talked
about we were talking about the beauty of the building,
and can you imagine the first time you ever see it,
like anybody, even from locally, if you've never seen the
damn building, get in there and take a look at it.
It's awe inspiring. You had a guy who was locked
up in a concentration camp, probably half starved to death.

(01:58:25):
Survive death, survive the death march right, survived the horrific
conditions that preceded going into the camp. Probably lived in
a slum forced there by the Nazis. I don't know
this man's personal history, but go all the way back
to the World War One and post World War One,
the conditions were pretty damn bleak to begin with, regardless
of where you were. So going from that and I

(01:58:46):
just see like this, this sort of vision of uh gray,
you know, the everything's gray. You're looking over the landscape
like former Soviet Union mental visions of gray, bleak, dark, terrible,
torn up, blown up. To make this journey after living
through all of that, and to walk through that room

(01:59:07):
and just see that the gold and the murals, and man,
you got to think you arrived at paradise.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
Yeah, and all admiring for the future. Yeah, and many
of our survivors reflect on the fact that you know,
they obviously there were the moments of liberation and you know,
displacement afterwards, but really feeling like the first time they
could feel like they had found a place where they
could be they could begin again, was arriving in that
building at Union Terminal, you know, and and having the

(01:59:37):
opportunity to think again about life. I mean, that's it's
just And this suitcase, this was everything he owned. This
was everything he owned.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
It's not a very big suitcase.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
No, No, it's like less than I would pack for
a weekend in New York. Yeah, but it's it's and
they were lucky to have anything. So many of these
survivors had nothing. They had and their family was gone.
They had no no home, no business, no way to
I mean, no language skills to you know, in terms
of English coming here, like these people built a life.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
How did they survive as a nuclear family? Amid all that?
Did they the husband, wife, and child were all able
to come together?

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
So in Werner's story. In the case of Werner, he
survived Alschwitz and the Death March before he met his wife.
His wife was a nurse who nursed him back to
health after the war, and they had they had ron
their son and then came here. So, you know, he

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and Steve. You know Steve, if you ask him, like
how did he survive this, he'll he'll give you kind
of a combination of like, you know, how did anyone survive?
Some people survive, some people didn't. But also Werner had
this determination, he had this drive, he had this persistence,
he had this ability to say, all right, now we rebuild.
Now we rebuilt. That's just that's just the task in

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front of us.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
After all that in in the face of all those challenges,
the man remained optimistic that he could make something of
his life, went on and did so. And I think
about that. I'm in all the way and crying, you know,
like my life's so miserable. I live in a terrible country.
Come on, are you kidding me? A thirty five fifty
five cares of thetalk station we give to the artificial

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is he part of the artificial intelligence.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
With Unfortunately Werner passed away before we had implemented this technology,
but we do have two local survivors.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Now you can talk to and we're gonna talk about
how you talk with a couple of local survivors. This
is just amazing. Eight thirty five fifty five KR see
de talk station, Don't go wait fifty five KRC dot com.
Can you helmets?

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
The talk station.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
A thirty nine fifty five car CD talk station. Brian
Thomas with Elizabeth Pierce, President and CEO of the Sincame
Museum Center, along with Jackie Kinjaco, the CEO of the
Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust in Humanity Center, focusing primarily
this hour on the exhibit that's being displayed there until
April twelve. Health get your tickets. Auschwitz not long Ago,
not far away again. Five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz

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and it's the biggest collection of these artifacts outside of Europe.
And this is kind of a traveling event or traveling
exhibit that's going around the world. Happens to be here
for several months, and we're blessed to have it here.
And of course with the Center for Holocaust or Holocaust
or Humanity Center putting its spin on it, it's got
a different flavor to it then if you saw it

(02:02:28):
someplace else, and a positive spin they try to put
on it. But let us get ourselves grounded. Have we've
got Thanksgiving coming up. We have a lot to be thankful.
Alluding back a little bit to the screaming and yelling,
I just engaged in it over the moment, because we
complain here in America over the most minute things. We
get ourselves all in sense. We love the criticize about
how terrible things are and how unjust things are. And

(02:02:49):
then you look at what happened world War two, the
treatment of the Jews, the concentration camps, everything that these
folks live through, and everything they had to deal with
coming out the other side through Union terminal to further
new life if they were lucky enough to survive the Holocaust,
and having a positive spin on it, looking at life
from a fresh perspective, and being positive and optimistic about

(02:03:12):
the future. So go to the exhibit, Yes, see what
it was like, and then decide whether or not you
think you have something to complain about.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
Yes, have some family conversations.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
There is nothing like a visit to this exhibition or
to the Holocaust in Humanity Center to inspire that kind
of gratitude and perspective. We have one artifact in the
center that is a uniform worn by a survivor. Leo
Willick and it is pretty pretty well preserved. It's because
after he survived Auschwitz, he had it pressed and cleaned,

(02:03:44):
and he would put it. He put it in a
box on the top of his closet, and he would
put it on when he was having a bad day
and look in the mirror and remind himself that his
worst days were behind him. So, you know, if these
people who survived the absolute worst of human the worst
things human beings can do to each other, can come
out of that and not just right off humanity forever,

(02:04:05):
and actually, to the contrary, build an organization that believes
in the possibility for us to do better, that educates like,
what's our excuse? Why are we not hopeful? Why are
we not feeling like we have any agency or power?
I mean, I think that's the most inspiring thing you
can imagine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
Bless you well, And that again does a beautiful job
summon up in the experience I had when I saw
the Center, because that's how I felt when it came out. Yeah,
you feel better for having seen it right and knowing
these people's experiences, which takes me over to something I've
been alluding to all morning, this artificial intelligence experience. You
can have at the Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust and

(02:04:41):
Humanity Center. You got this, I mean, this is this
is truly amazing. Just give me an example what my
listeners can do.

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
Yeah, So you can come to HHC anytime.

Speaker 6 (02:04:51):
We'll be there.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
You know, this special exhibition is there through through April.

Speaker 6 (02:04:54):
But we'll be there.

Speaker 4 (02:04:56):
We will be there, we will be there. So come
down and visit, and you can come have a conversation
in real time with a survivor. You can ask any
question and get an answer. And basically you stand in
front of a life size video monitor like a screen,
a television screen, recording of a survivor. And we actually
have two local survivors whose testimony we've recorded in this
format now and you can ask ask any question and

(02:05:19):
you'll see sort of the video index for a minute,
and you'll get a response, and the response is remarkably
relevant to the question you asked. For this all being real,
you mentioned AI, the video itself is not fake. The
video is absolutely real. Interviews with these people where we
sat down with them for a week. We asked every
single question we could ever imagine, in every single iteration

(02:05:40):
we could imagine someone asking the question and then it's
all sort of indexed and edited, and now you can
go in and you can you know, you can ask
any question and receive an answer about the war or
about their life in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
Well, okay, that was I was going to gravitate toward that.
So a logical question for me will be like, tell
me or explain a day in the life at our Schwitz,
like for a for a concentration camp prisoner, yep, yep,
And I would get an answer for that yep. But
I could also ask pivoting over to the Cincinnati part.
You know, are you or are you a Cincinnati Reds fan?

Speaker 4 (02:06:13):
Yeah, totally, and they'll talk about the Reds. You can ask,
you know, al Miller, who's the survivor, who's in our
featured in our di t gallery right dimensions and testament
and gallery right now? I can ask him what his
favorite flavor of Greater's ice cream is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
I'll tell you, Well, okay, let me test the boundaries
of this. If I said what I just want to know?
Of course, you know, you got to be thinking about
all kinds of questions I could ask. But if I
was being foolish, could I ask him what's better Skyline
or gold Star.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
So if I think he has a response for that,
and let me tell you, you think you can trick him,
there's no one who's going to try harder than a
group of ninth grade you know, high school also come through.
So we we have and he will say, in the case,
you know, we didn't ask him a question that has
some something to do with the you know, with the
with the question you're asking, he'll say, let's get back

(02:07:02):
to my story. Or he'll say, you know, well, actually
that's a question that they didn't I was never asked before.
You can have any other questions.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
Have I heard that? Rarely?

Speaker 4 (02:07:11):
Have I heard that? Huh, Yeah, it's pretty amazing. There
is an AI algorithm that learns the more you ask
questions how to better source relevant answers. But the video,
it's really important that the video is not AI. The
video is real recorded interviews with the survivor.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
You know what, I although I can envision a time
where you know, there's probably out in the artificial intelligence
gathering mode that's out there. Literally every source of information
that has been digitized is being looked at from artificial
intelligence that you might have a real time three dimensional
hologram of this guy and using every available ounce of information.

(02:07:51):
If you failed to as him ask him a question
when he was alive, they could scour the globe of
information and come up with a response that he could
actually say to you. They would look like he was
answering that question. Oh he never answered that question for
him when was alive. But there's a little there's an
article over here that talks about him that said, you
know what, in fact, he was a gold.

Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
Star fan well, and that this is why I always
correct and people say the AI exhibit, because yes, there's
an AI component of how the algorithm sources the right
actual answers.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
But it goes back really important.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
It's really important that like there is no fabrication, there
is no random sourcing of what we think he might
have answered. This is are real answers from a real person.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
And that's critical to your credibility going back to these idiots, right, well,
they made that up, clearly, they made everything else up.
Exactly eight forty five. One more segment with the Auschwitz
not long ago, not far away, the far away museum,
along with Elizabeth and Jackie. We'll be back right away,
don't go way fifty five KRC the talk station. Chris

(02:08:52):
Kindermark the talk station eight fifty fifty five KRC the
talk Station. This has been such a delightful conversation. Elizabeth
Pearson Studio President, CEO of the Sinsinan Museum Center, Jackie Conjato.
She is the CEO of the Nancy and David Wolf
Holocaust in Humanity Center, which is and will continue to

(02:09:12):
be after the roving exhibit leaves at the cincinn Museum Center.
It's this beautiful, beautiful space. The Holocaust in Humanity Center
is truly an overall uplifting opportunity, but fascinating in every right.
But now we've got this addition, a separate exhibit five
hundred international artifacts from Auschwitz at the museum Center. Again,

(02:09:33):
the name of the exhibit is Auschwitz, not long ago,
not far away. It's there until the twelfth of April.
Joel put all this information up on the blog page
fifty five cars dot com, along with the links to
the museum Center's website and the Holocaust in Humanity Center's website.
So what else are we going to see here? So

(02:09:53):
we've talked about the exhibit, talked about some of the
reasons we need to see the exhibit. Those who are
not studying the stakes of the past are destined to
repeat them or end up in a state of denial
that they never even happen. You know, let's just end
that notion you don't believe it happened, show up and
prove it to yourself. But then also this idea that
maybe can ground us a little bit and we can realize,

(02:10:13):
you know what, our lives aren't really as dang bad
as we perceive them to be. And I think that's
one of the best things we could probably do this
time of year, as we've fast approached the holidays.

Speaker 4 (02:10:22):
Yeah, I mean, it's all about gratitude and perspective. Gratitude
and perspective. I tell myself that if my past one
thing on to my children, it is gratitude, empathy, and resilience.
Those are the three. And I think that this is
like the perfect laboratory for how to help young people.
But adults also get a healthy perspective and you know,

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a sense of a sense of gratitude and honestly, resilience.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
Resilience, well, you know, and this isn't an effort to
go down a political road. I don't know, you're either
of you ladies. Political affiliation, I really don't think it
matters what I find impossible to believe Republican Democrat, independent socialists, communists, whatever.
Then an outright anti Semite, someone who has been critical
of Jewish people generally speaking, and has been involved with
and a member of organizations who river to the sea

(02:11:11):
advocate for the eradication of Israel generally speaking, and the
Jewish people Allah. The final solution that the Nazis I
mean this is these are people who've adopted a very
Adolf Hitler like approach in terms of their viewpoints of
Jewish people. They view them with disdain. So, yes, it
could happen again, is all I can observe that there

(02:11:34):
are people in power who hold these viewpoints right now.

Speaker 4 (02:11:39):
Yeah, And I think the best thing we can do
to sort of inoculate ourselves in that way is to
understand what anti Semitism looks like, how it shows up,
so that we can recognize it in our world in ourselves, right.
You know, we don't have to be It's not a
point of shame, but it's a point of stereo. It's
like it's like any other stereotype. You just have to

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be aware enough of what it looks like so that
when you see it creep up in a conversation or
in your own thoughts, you can identify that and say,
you know, that might seem harmless in the moment, but
that it's that kind of hatred and stereotype and you know,
false information about a group of people that led to
the atrocity at scale. So you know, it's I totally

(02:12:22):
agree with you, Brian. It's it's not a left or
right issue. It is an issue at the extremes. It's
an issue. It's an issue when people stop looking for
complex solutions to complex problems and they look for someone
to blame. They're looking for an easy scapegoat.

Speaker 3 (02:12:36):
You.

Speaker 4 (02:12:36):
Scientism has been.

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
That you have a century, so you have a survivor
who has said the Holocaust did not start with bullets.

Speaker 4 (02:12:42):
Yes, it started with words.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
That's right, And so understanding what that humanity looks like
and how far these choices are made every day is
so crucial, and it's it's kind of the whole point
of the exercise that we're in the middle of right now.

Speaker 3 (02:12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:12:59):
I think I think the power in this history is
that we think about these massive atrocities or frankly massive
movements for progress and justice in our societies as big
sweeping things that happen out there. The reality is that
the worst things we can think of that have happened
in human history, and the best things they happened one person,

(02:13:20):
one choice, one moment at a time. They were relatively
mundane people going about their mundane lives, making mundane choices.
So I mean, in my mind, we can see that
as really being or we can see that as as hopeful,
because we all have the Holocaust was not inevitable. It
wasn't inevitable. It happened because people made choices, and we

(02:13:43):
have the opportunity to choose, choose the good, to choose
to act in character strength, to choose to see the
strengths in other people, to value difference. And you know,
that's up to us. What's the story they're going to
tell about us?

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
Brian am and to that I cannot improve on those
closing comments, Jackie, beautifully stated, and thank you very much
for encouraging my listening audience to head on out to
the Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust in Humanity Center and
Elizabeth Pierce, President CEO of the Cincinni Museum Center. I'm
jealous of your employment venue, that's for sure, but I'll
be back real soon. I gotta check this exhibit out

(02:14:17):
and maybe, just maybe we'll get this figured out for
a listener lunch. That would be really cool. So I'll
put my I'll put Debbie howell Er on that you'll
be getting a call from her at some point, so
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