55KRC Monday Show - Ken Kober, Smitherman, Money Monday, Rabbi Ari Jun

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Five o five at fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Happy Monday is the Happy Monday say, we're looking at it?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Appropriately times sound by Joe derekor Executi, producer of the
five KRC Morning Show. Dude, what the hell? And of
course I think everybody familiar with the incident that happened
over the weekend knows exactly what I'm talking about. Anyway,
Happy Monday too. You trying to make it happy anyway
in spite of the reality is what we're dealing with
here five one, three, seven, four nine, fifty five hundred,
eight hundred eighty two three talk pound five fifty on
at and T phones. I'm hoping to hear from some

(00:52):
folks this morning. Get the reaction to the violence downtown
Cincinnati just amazing and horrific. It's just like animal like behavior.
That's the only way I can really conclude. And you know,
sum it up. I mean, there's a million words you
can use to try to sum it up, but just
stand in awe and disbelief that people could act that
way anyhow. Coming up with the fifty five Hereessedy Morning

(01:16):
Show to talk about the violent weekend in downtown Cincinni
Ken Cober FOP President at seven oh five, followed by yes,
Christopher's Smithman. Gee, what do you think Christopher's smithman is
going to talk about in the smith event money money
with Brian James Fed's meeting. Will there be a rate change?
I saw some people are projecting maybe a rate increase.

(01:37):
We'll see what Brian James has to say about that.
I do not expect to drop in the interest rate. Though,
tariff deal with European Union. Congratulation Donald Trump of the
team for well working things out with the European Union,
fifteen percent tariff on European imports and the promise of
six hundred billion dollars in investment in the United States
along with some arms sales. We'll talk about that. We'll

(01:57):
talk about the ongoing talks with China which are kicking
in hopefully we'll get some resolution on tariffs with China
as well. And corporate earnings are coming out this week.
How's the market going to react to that? And welcome
back Rabbi Ari Jun He'll be in studio at eight
thirty to talk about the Robling Bridge protests. He's a
little upset that the well the shutdown of the bridge

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and the police response is shut down of the bridge
took away from what the actual protest was about. And
Rabbi Ari Jun always welcome to get his thoughts in
comments here in the fifty five Cassi Morning Show. He's
a pretty decent guy. I'm not sure I agree with
his conclusions on that, but we'll find out together at
eight thirty on it. Anyhow, three five Caresey dot com
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got to listen to that podcast, just so enthusiastic. And
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All right, yeah, let's pivot over to the local stories

(03:42):
dominating actually national news. Now, this is not something the
city of Cincinnati wants to make it on the map
for it, but there it is. Go to Foxnews dot com,
Go to New York Post, go to this. It's all over,
of course, the viral video and it's actually, you know,
it's interesting, and it kind of is troubling to me.

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You can't unring the internet bell. Once it's out there
and it's been posted, it's there forever in some place, way,
shape or form. But the Facebook and several other sites
I suppose have since embedded or prevented the sharing of
the video of the fight. Why isn't this something we
all should see and appreciate, for the horror and the

(04:28):
well de evolution of mankind that it actually is so
we can talk about it, maybe spread the word and
maybe all collectively together step back and say we need
to stop this immediately. Of course, these people need to
be held accountable for the absolute horrific violence. I mean,
some may argue it was attempted murder. You got a
guy laying on the ground and people who had Really

(04:50):
it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the
original verbal altercation that they keeps suggesting starting all this all. No,
it had nothing to do with the music festival. No,
but it was the festival that brought ninety thousand people
to downtown Cincinnati, congregating in a tight space that may
have led to the verbal altercation. Do we stop doing
music festivals? Or or will you stop going to events

(05:14):
that draw large groups of people in downtown Cincinnati? Is
this event? Have you watched the video? Does it change
your perception of downtown CINCINNTI? Does it make you want
to go downtown? And have you reached a conclusion that
you know, you used to go downtown and used to
really enjoy it, but now you're like, you know what,
it's not worth it. Why take the chance? I go

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someplace else It's easier to park someplace else. It's easier
to stay out in the suburbs. The experts, it's easier
to eat. It's easier. You know, there's a multitude of
reasons why, beyond the potential for violence, that you might
choose to go someplace else for your entertainment and or
dining enjoyment. I mean, the city of Cincinnati's in competition

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with the entire tri state area when it comes to
within driving distance, and there are multitudes of opportunities within
downtown since at driving distance. But so you get into
a fight. Fights happened all the time. We read about
it quite often, quite often in the stack of stupid
There'll be two people du can get out. Maybe a

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couple of family members get involved because they're right there,
but strangers, and it looks and it appears to be
random people joining in the beat down, running from the
sidelines and kicking this poor guy who's already on the ground.
To the extent there was a fight between two people,
the white guy in the white T shirt lost to

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the extent he represented a threat to anyone. He no
longer represented a threat he was on the ground, and
yet the people continue to pour over and kick him
and punch him, step on him, kick him in the head.
And then, if you think things can't get any worse,

(07:13):
some random dudes, seemingly out of nowhere, just hauls off
and punches a seemingly innocent woman, certainly not representing any
threat to society or anybody there in the crowd. Punches
are square in the face and knocks her out, lay

(07:35):
on their on the ground, completely knocked out and bleeding.
Will there be any accountability? And here's a test for
the city of Cincinnati and its residence. How many people
do you think were around there?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Joe?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
You would say about one hundred you ever take, just
to pull out of my sphincter. Number a lot of people,
which means a lot of witnesses. And everyone had their
camera out. You're right, Joe, And that's one of the
criticisms been coming out. We're gonna have Ken Cobra on
And that was one of the things that he commented on.

(08:14):
Why is it that everybody was standing around with their
video cameras out and there was only one nine to
one one call apparently one police didn't even know about it.
How do you expect law enforcement to come in and
render assistance in times of societal breakdown if nobody bothers
to alert the police department. That's going on question number two.

(08:35):
Don't you think when there's a crowd of ninety thousand
people gathered for a music festival in downtown Cincinnati there
might be a well, I don't know, perhaps substantial police
presence around. I don't know that they necessarily have been
standing at fourth and Elm Street. It's kind of a

(08:55):
rather innocuous area. That's where it all went down. But
with that many people around, how many witnesses do you
think could identify the people who were responsible for engaging
in this horrific activity? Asked yourself this, If it was
one of your family members and you knew that they

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were the ones that punched that woman directly in the face,
would you drop a dime on a family member? If
it was your buddy from down the street that you
hang out with, would you let the police know that
it was your buddy from down the street that you
can't identify as the person who just beat the living
crap out of that guy or punched that woman square

(09:38):
in the face when she was bothering no one. If
there were more people in the world that would be
willing to do that in the name of law and order.
Maybe we would have fewer incidents like this, but we're
on the map now, folks. Elon Musk even commented on it,

(10:05):
and I was reminded in so far as nobody nobody
bothering to call the police or render assistance, except maybe
the woman got punched in the face, anybody bothering to
render assistance there was more likely got to get beat down.
It's like one of those things. Wait a second, am
I going to risk my neck to go and try
to help a total stranger who's the subject of an
absolute brutal assault? Here? I am one guy. M that

(10:27):
looks like there's twenty people taking a turn of beating
somebody up. Is there anything I can do about it?
To render eight or assistance? Now, let me get my
cell phone on just video it. How about doing a
nine to one one call first, just to make sure
someone has called the police, and then move on with
videotaping so you can be the one with the viral
video online. I don't know, maybe there's a presumption in

(10:49):
the entire crowd that somebody had to have called the police.
This is getting out of hand, But Coober who will
be on again seven oh five FOP president criticizing the
bystanders for recording the incident rather than intervening the help.

(11:11):
And I guess I can understand again on some level
why someone might not want to get in the middle
of the melee to help, for fear for their own
safety and perhaps life. But it reminded me of the
last episode of Seinfeld. Remember they got arrested for violating
the community's good Samaritan law by not intervening to help
a victim of a crime. They just stood there and

(11:32):
watched and made jokes about it. That's what we're witnessing
here that last Seinfeld episode. I think it was nineteen
ninety eight. So here's life's imitating a comedy to some degree,
although perhaps the Seinfeld episode was in fact inspired by
life and reality. More people are willing to stand around
and not do a damn thing than help out their
well brother, man or sister, as the case may be

(12:01):
unbelievable and a great ad campaign. And let me ask
this question out loud for anybody who's been paying attention
to the you know, I always give Joe credit, Joe
Drecker credit for being Internet research guru and you know,
I'm considering myself pretty decent when it comes to internet research.
Both of us this morning searching somewhere for some statement

(12:22):
from the mayor aft tab parval. Both of us came
up with nothing. The only reference to aff tab Parvall
was from others saying, how come we haven't heard from
the mayor of the city of Cincinnati on this issue. Hell,
the vice mayor showed up and at least said something
to the press. If you were the mayor of the
City of Cincinnati, don't you think it'd be critically important
for you to get out there and say something, maybe

(12:43):
supportive of the police, maybe can condemn the violence. Something. Hell,
it's an easy thing to come up with a statement
under these circumstances. You got people of all political stripes
condemning it. How can you do anything otherwise? Not a peep?

(13:04):
Where is he anyway? Seven five eighteen fifty five KC
Talk station Mark, Hang on a minute, brother, if you
don't mind holding over the short break here, I will
take your call right out of the gate. I'll be
right back fifty five car the talk station. Our iHeartRadio Music.
Five twenty one fifty five krcy De Talk station. A
very happy Monday to you trying to make it so anyway,
feel free to call interested in your thoughts and comments

(13:25):
about the brawl downtown, and Mark is on the phone. Mark,
thanks so much for holding over the breake there. Welcome
to the Morning Show.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Good morning, Brian. You stated a lot of things that
I was already thinking, so I won't waste time repeating that,
but I will say some things that maybe you're not
able to or you know, I don't know you. I
know you don't have anybody telling you what you think
to say it can't say but correct.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know, we talked.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
About violence in this city, and let's face it, in
every other major city across the gun and you know,
the elephant in the room is not the Amish kids
doing it. It's not the Indian kids, the Japanese kids,
it's not even the white kids. It's always one race
of people that are committing ninety nine percent of the

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violent crime in this country. And when you see this
type of behavior, you have people standing around somebody, and
even if the guy was intoxicated, okay, you have people
standing around cheering while this guy's literally getting his head
stomped into the pavement. And they're cheering it. And then

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you have a woman that's trying to come up and
I don't know if it was his wife, I don't know,
you know, obviously what the relationship was there that was
concerned for his well being. And as she's getting pulled
backwards by another woman, that's when the guy hauls off
in pull copser And I mean, my wife showed me

(14:59):
the video, the second video that was going around with
this poor woman's laying on the ground, her eyes are
wide open. My wife thought she was dead at that moment,
you know, and I heard later that she did regain consciousness,
but she looked she looked like she was dead. And
these people are literally cheering and people I'll lose that.
I'll use that term loosely because it's animal behavior and

(15:26):
it happens more often than not. But again, if there
were pats of white teenagers or white people running around
committing crimes like this, the outrage in the community with
the absolutely off the charts and this this behavior is overlooked.

(15:53):
And I'm sorry, Teresa Fiji, she's a choke. And the
Cincinnati police, my first response was, where's the police presence
down there? You know, you had and when I heard
that the music festival was going on this weekend and
I moved out of Ohio. I got tired of whole
in the circus down there, and I will never spend
a dime of money in Hamilton County, down in that

(16:15):
entertainment so called entertainment district. It's ridiculous the behavior that
is accepted. And I understand from the police standpoint that
they've pulled back time and time again because every time
they turn around and tried to do something, they're accused
to be racist, they're accused of profiling, their sued, they'd

(16:36):
lose their job. I have an ex brother in law
that was a Cincinnati officer that retired from the Cincinnati fource.
This is going back twenty five years ago. He said
that the amount of crime that was covered up back
then by the police department and by the city of
stuff that went on downtown would blow people's minds, and

(16:59):
it's still happening today. They were more worried about making
sure that it wasn't connected to the music festival.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, oh crap. Well, I mean that anytime you get
a bunch of people packed in one space, the opportunity
for something like this to happen is going to increase.
It's just the normal reality. More interactions with strangers, more
opportunities to bump into each other, spill a beer on somebody,
make some sort of off color, offhand comment, more people
hear at the opp and we seem to be in

(17:26):
a more violent society. But addressing your racial point, I
don't know, Mark right as of right now, is this
a racially motivated attack? One could draw that conclusion, but
it's never drawn immediately when it's attacked by black folks
on white folks, but it's immediately assumed that it was
racial if it's the polar opposite to your point. That's

(17:47):
why anything the police do has this taint at Oh,
it was racially motivated, because we live in an inherently
racial society, and people will jump to that conclusion immediately
because they get away with it. You know, go ahead
call it racist. Everybody's accused of being a racist for
literally anything anybody does anymore, and it's become such a

(18:07):
default position that, you know, I think people will grown
callous to it. As a matter of fact. It's funny
because I've read a couple of op ed pieces on
that very point of late, go ahead, call me racist.
Whatever I did, it wasn't born of racism. I had
a logical, reasonable means or motivation to do whatever I
did or say whatever I said. And I can defend
myself all day long. So yeah, I'm not afraid of
being called racist anymore. But when it is the opposite,

(18:34):
that rush to conclusion is embraced and parroted, often in
the press before the facts are known. And anybody listens
to the morning show knows that I'm not the person
who will jump to conclusions, and I'm the one that's
willing to sit down and make the point they listen,
keep your popcorn out, wait for the information to come out.
It's easy to draw conclusions based upon what you saw,

(18:55):
but you really don't know why did the fight start.
Maybe the guy that got the beat down, un deserved
as it was, Maybe he said something horrific to the
guy who started the fight with him. We don't know.
But whatever that, if that happened, does it justify the reaction?

(19:16):
Does it justify a crowd of people who you know?
And here's an assumption I will draw the vast majority
of people I'm sure have no idea what started that interaction.
Maybe a handful of them did, but I cannot imagine
that twenty or thirty people that appear to have joined
in the beat down really had some understanding of what
started it. They just saw somebody beating this guy on

(19:38):
the ground and thought it was a funny thing. So
this is the kind of discussion that arises after something
like this, and it's an important discussion to have, and
it's an important analysis to walk through. But stepping back
from whatever brought about this horrific event, what we see, though,

(20:02):
cannot be supported or justified. There is no one on
this planet who can say that that was appropriate or
acceptable by way of behavior from the folks that joined
in and just continually pounded that guy into the pavement
and then just again Cole cocked up seemingly innocent woman.
I'll underscore seemingly again because I don't know. But the
video evidence does not suggest she was doing anything other

(20:24):
than trying to render aid. Five twenty eight fifty five
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
Here's what's trending now.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Three seven eight Hundy two three talk found by fifty
on eighteen and t phone. He's something Joe Drecker observed
that I hadn't caught on too, that they didn't start
reporting in the local news until six pm Saturday evening
for something that happened, this horrific event that happened overnight
on our Friday night at three o'clock in the morning,
nobody was reporting on it. The only reason, Joe concludes

(20:59):
he's allowed to hear reach his own conclusions. Of course,
it's because it went viral on Facebook and elsewhere in
social media. The video was posted all over the place.
How could you do? How could you not report on
this incident any other interesting component? And again I wasn't
watching Sherry Pallo or Atrician Mackie. They claimed they weren't
allowed to show the video because they didn't have permission.

(21:20):
Is that the gist of it, Joe, That's what they said. Well,
let me just throw a giant Barbara streisand flag on
that this was a public, outdoor thing. They got, you
don't need permission from anybody to post the video, most
notably since it literally was viral on the internet. Oh look, look,

(21:40):
I can report about a story that's on the internet
and involves a viral video. Let me see what Tom's
got this morning. Tom, Welcome to the Morning Show and
happy Monday to you.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Hey, good morning. I hope you had a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well, actually I had a great weekend other than having to,
you know, psychologically deal with the sad reality of what
we're talking about this morning.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh, and it looked like next weekend ought to be
really nice weatherwise. I took a peek of the forecast
down the road here Thursday, Friday, canaday. We're gonna get
some relief from this heat.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
So, oh, thank you. There you go, Tom, There you go.
Looking for something positive in the world.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Good man, I'm nothing if I'm not positive thinking brou
uh uh. Anyway, Yeah, it basically comes down to who's
willing to scream the loudest and make the biggest fuss uh.
You know, kind of like the five year old in
the store doesn't get his way. I'm gonna scream and

(22:38):
chess and throw myself on the ground and act like
I'm dying.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's the same.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Old thing, nothing new, So you have one. One side
of the argument is easily trying to to be uh.
I don't know, to have some order to it, try
to figure out what's going on, put a little you know, reason,
and then they lose their cool little bit here and there,
but you know, hey, let's figure this out. And then
the other side is just flailing and screaming in one

(23:04):
hundred percent of motion because they're not getting their way.
And that's what it comes down to, doing this, this
whole thing with with crime downtown. These people want to
be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want,
however they want. They don't want to be stopped. So
as soon as someone tries to stop them, they'll come
up with anything they can scream and yell and holler

(23:27):
or whatever and to make a fuss so that you'll leave.
Oh wait, well I'm going to leave them a little whoa.
I don't want to be involved in that. Now you
got to be involved in it. You got to step
in and go if if you have any responsibility in this,
you got to step in and say no, that's not okay,
not gonna deal with it. Here's what I'm gonna do.
And I'm not going to scream and yell like you are,

(23:47):
but I'm going to take this away or I'm going
to not do this or I'm going to do my
job and do this. And I know it's difficult because
these people are flailing and screaming and crying, bloody murder
and all that, but adults have to do the job
that they've been they've been elected to and hired to do,
and voters don't vote Democrat. Have a great day, Brian, All.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right, thanks Tom. Appreciated police Chief Scott Hughes a Hamilton Township.
It had some interesting comments as well. There were a
bunch of people, noted notables city officials that actually came
out loud and said something. Vice Marilyn Kearney said something.
Cecil Thomas offering an opinion. Mark Jefferies since at countsmen
offered an opinion saying, you know, prosecute them to the

(24:28):
fullest extent of the law. Yes, exactly. Barney Morinho had
a comment. Veg Ramaswam he had a comment, Mary have
to have purval. Nothing as to Hamilton Township police Chief
Scott Hughes. Before I take a break here, what happened
on Fourth Street in Cincinnati wasn't just a fight. It

(24:50):
was a breakdown of order, decency, and accountability. Caught on
video and cheered on by a crowd. This isn't just
Cincinnati's problem, it's ours. Two. He pointed out, the incidents
in the city don't just stay here in the city. Quote.
The perception of danger ripples across the region, discouraging residents
from visiting downtown's many events and attractions. Quote. Families stop

(25:12):
going out, businesses stop investing. Cities lose the very momentum
they worked to build. This video isn't just another viral moment.
It's a warning shot. We can either raise our voices
or watch silence fund the chaos. I thought that was
one of the more astute comments and well done Scott
Use Hamilton Township police chief. And maybe that's what there

(25:36):
wasn't much reporting. Maybe that's why the mayor hasn't said anything.
He wants to ignore it and pretend as though it
didn't happen. Why because the optics are terrible. If you're
in Poughkeepsie, Iowa, and you're thinking about moving your business,
I don't know why I pick on Poughkeepsie. Are you
going to consider the city of Cincinnati now? Would you

(25:57):
be like, you know, what it does doesn't sound very
good down there. I've been reading a lot lately and yeah,
exactly no, thank you Dad from beyond five point thirty seven.
Right now, Jay, I will take your call and happy
to do so just a minute, be right back.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
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Speaker 1 (26:18):
One thirty by KRCD Talk station five one three seven
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AT and T phones. Over to the phones. Got a
couple of callers on long. We're going to start with Jay,
who's kinding up the whole Jay, thanks for holding over
the break. Welcome back my friend.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Hey, Thanks Brian, Hey, it's speaking on a violence of
what's going on downtown. I think there's one organization who
can who's uniquely qualified to step up and be the
bridge between the community the police and be in a
position to mentor and coach and get ahold of these
young people before they ruin their lives and maybe change

(26:53):
the culture, and that is the NAACP. They're very vocal,
they're very welsome, want well connected, politically well funded, and
it strikes me that if this was the other way
around it, there was a there was a black person
that was beat down by a group of white people,
they would have already been organized and marching in the streets.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
But where are they now?

Speaker 6 (27:19):
And maybe they've made a statement.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I want to be fair to them.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
But unless we want Cincinnati to turn into Detroit, and
it looks like that's the trajectory that it's going, that
it's going on where there's abandoned houses and empty factories
and no more investment, that somebody and some of these
community organizations better step up and not be real judicious

(27:45):
about what the situation is. If if the community needs
help and the community needs support, and if somebody needs
to step in and coach and mentor and get in
front of this thing.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
Then I'm waiting to hear from the NAAS, who again
I think has all the funding, has all the influence
they can get in front of this, and I would
love to hear from them on what their ideas are
of what the root cause is the corrective action here.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Jay, I think it's an outstanding idea. I really do.
I can't think of, you know, better use of their
organization's you know, microphone, their power, their platform. Yeah, it'll
be nice to see them come out and try to
support law enforcement and tell the community you know, listen,
this is just unacceptable. We can I don't think it's
it's even in dispute that what we saw cannot be defended.

(28:38):
So why not join in the ever growing number of
people who have actually come out normally folks that you
might not associate with being tough on crime, saying we
need to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
We need to find the people who did this and
prosecute them. Prosecutor's office and we judges who are willing
to meet out the highest level of punishment to serve

(29:02):
as a deterrent to others who might consider this to
be an appropriate way of addressing the a breakdown situation.
Wait a second, I'm not gonna be involved in this.
I'm not gonna go over and kick a guy when
he's on the ground. I saw what happened to the
last guy who did that, and he's serving time. I'll pass.
Welcome to the point of a criminal justice system, Larry,

(29:24):
Welcome to the program. Thanks for calling this morning, and
happy Monday to you.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah yeah, happy Monday. Hey.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
People call him this a fight.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
I didn't.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
I didn't see a fight. All I saw was this
poor god shielding his self. I didn't see him throwing
any punches, and when he got foot knocked to the ground.

Speaker 9 (29:42):
He was gret people were trying to kick him.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
They were kicking, they.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
Were kicking him, and he was trying to grab their
legs well and shield hisself from the attack. A fight
is when two people fight each other and.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Larry but the only point only. You're not wrong on that,
but most people, at least as I understand it, aren't
walking around just constantly filming random people, not engaged in
physical altercations or verbal altercations. So what's missing here is
the five minutes or however many minutes leading up to
the moment the video begins when it does look like

(30:18):
some people are engaged in some kind of quarrel, the
guy that ultimately got the severe beatdown and one other guy.
So I don't know, but what we do have is
everything that happened after that, which is the unacceptable, inexcusable
conduct of so many people. Right.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
Well, I saw a report this morning come on my
phone that they they got footage now before it started,
what was what started it? But anyway, also, yeah, that's
what it come on my phone. I don't know where
it's at or whatever, what station or what news stations.
But sure, wonder what the result would have been if
this poor guy pulled a nine millimeter glock out of
his waistband and started defending himself by shooting these people.

(30:57):
Wonder what would have what would have.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well happened from from a legal perspective, If you fear
for your life and that fear is legitimate, and I
don't think anybody can argue that the man that is
getting kicked and beaten on the ground had a legitimate
fear that he was gonna get killed, right, then then
you're justifiable and using deadly force. The question is who's
the recipient of the deadly force. Is it someone who's

(31:22):
administering the beatdown that gave rise to your legitimate concern
or is it some random individual filming in the crowd
that takes the bullet that you intend for the person
beating you down. There's your critical problem when it comes
to self defense and the use of deadly force. You know,
there's a lot you got to process in your head
before you use deadly force. And that's why it comes
down to the instant time, moment and time. Was it

(31:44):
reasonable at the time for you to believe your life
was in jeopardy or you're in fear of grievous bodily horrible.
He was experiencing grievous bodily harm right then, So yes,
I think under those circumstances, deadly force may have been justifiable.
But in the aftermath, and when we all look at
it with a lens of twenty hindsight, did the person
who got the bullet? Is that the person who was

(32:06):
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a happy Monday. Of course, rather depressing subject matter this
morning on the fifky five KRCY Morning Show, given what
happened a downten since NATI over the weekend. Subject matter
of conversation going on here in the morning show. Several
callers in the last hour, You're welcome to chime in,

(34:06):
love to hear what you have to say. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
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pound five fifty on AT and T phones. Ken Cobra,
FLP President's going to join us in an hour to
talk about that. He was interviewed by Local twelve. Got
a couple of comments from kend to talk about here
in a moment, Christopher Smitheman with a Monday Morning Smith
event from the former vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati.
Ge I wonder what he's gonna say. Yeah, it is Monday.

(34:28):
We'll still do money money with Brian James. Fed meeting tomorrow.
Apparently a lot of discussion about whether or not to
be a rate change. Some are hoping it goes down,
some are suggesting it needs to go up because of inflation,
tariff deal with the European Union, congratulations of Trump fifteen percent,
and a promise of billions of dollars investment from Europe.
Some I'm critical of that. I know the Wall Street
Journal didn't think it was that great of a deal,

(34:49):
but they're allowed, They're entitled to their opinion. I'm just
happy it got resolved. We'll have to sit back and
wait and find out how it impacts us, but most
people applauding the effort. Corporate earnings coming out this week
as well those subjects with Brian James. At eight oh five,
Rabbi rijn returns to the program we've had him on previously.
He's going to talk about the Robling Bridge protest. Apparently
he's under the impression it didn't accomplish what it was

(35:10):
supposed to because of the shut down of the bridge
and the subsequent police involvement and arrests of those who
were violating the law by shutting down the bridge. So
Rabbi John in studio, looking forward to seeing him again
the informative opinions he has. Uh, let us see here
real quick here before I get to the calls in
Matt and Bobby just to hold on a moment. Ken

(35:31):
Kober again interviewed by Channel twelve, I said, obviously we
have the videos. We know we're going to be able
to have some help there and figure out who the
people are. The police have already interviewed the victims of
the beat down. They're going to be using the city
cameras in the area, which we haven't seen yet. To
the best of my knowledge, that has not been released yet.
But apparently there are some city cameras that captured some

(35:51):
or maybe even all of this, and there have been
some who have made have tippedaled. Several tips have been received.
He's asking the public for itself, saying quo, there are
still some people that have not been identified. Me that
suggests to me they've already identified some of the perps.

(36:12):
I would ask the public play a part in this
because stuff like this shouldn't happen in our city, but
when it does, we need people to step forward. That
way we can bring these people to justice. Amen. And
I mentioned at the last hour, if this was a
buddy of yours from down the street, you were there.
You watched him walk over and start beating on a
man who's already on the ground, or you know the
guy that punched that woman square in the face, but

(36:33):
have to be an acquaintance of yours, maybe even a
family member. Would you call the police and let them
know who that guy is if you know definitively it
was someone you were there, I saw it. It was
that guy. It's Joe from down the block. Now we
live in a world where we're willing to alienate our
own family members because they happen to be Trump supporters.
If you're not going to pick up a phone call

(36:53):
and call your brother, your sister because you disagree with
them politically, don't you think this is a bigger thing
thing to want to just sort of terminate a friendship
or a relationship over. I don't want to be friends
with someone who would punch up and walk up and
punch a woman square in the face for any reason.
That's not someone I want to be associated with. And

(37:16):
we've got multitude of people down there, you who you
know who the ones were that were committing all these
heinous acts of violence. You maybe even have information to
know how the whole thing started. That would be helpful
for police, and you'd serve as an example to everybody
else out in the world that you should cooperate with
police and you should bring these folks to justice. But

(37:37):
there but for the grace of God, go I. Next
time you're downtime, maybe you're enjoying a show at the
Brady Center, you walk out and you get punched in
the face for no reason. If that kind of crime
does not go unaddressed, if that person who would do
something like this does not go through the criminal justice
system and is not a hell accountable to the fullest
extent of the law, it's just gonna invite more of
this kind of thing to happen, and it's going to

(37:58):
further further reduce the city of Cincinnati as a great
destination for investment or perhaps to live in. It's a
great ad campaign for the city, isn't it? And the
silence is definiting from ayor aftab Provoll's office, since there
has literally been no statement from the office that either

(38:20):
just Trek or I could find as of the start
of the morning show. We've got a lot of other
elected officials and public officials and noted notables. We've got
the chief of Police talking, We've got the Vice mayor talking,
We've got other elected officials.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
You had vv.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Ramaswami speaking on the subject.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Vv.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Ramaswami. You got Elon Musk speaking on the subject. It's
made national news, folks, and a silence from the mayor's office.
Of all the offices, you would expect an elected official
to speak from and speak to this event. You would
think that he would be right out front. Who's first, Joe, Matt,

(38:55):
Welcome to the Morning Show. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Hello.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Yeah, I just had a quick comment about the the
other caller that was talking about you know, if the
if the gentleman had like a gun or something and
trying to defend himself.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, the use of deadly force.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Yeah, I would almost guarantee you Knnie Pillach would prosecute
the person who did that. See, I can almost guarantee
because she is a terrible prosecutor. And it's one of
those things where every office and every vote matters.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I understand, but you see, if a public perception is
wait a second, I don't care what political stripe you are, Matt,
but if you are getting the living crap beaten out
of you, and it is reasonable to expect your life
may and or you are suffering from and experiencing grievous
bodily harm. You have the legal right to use self defense.

(39:43):
Deadly force is okay and it's lawful, so I completely agree.

Speaker 10 (39:48):
I completely agree with that, But I still think Kanye
Pillage would would prosecute the person.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't really do yeah, but in terms of politics,
I don't know that would necessarily do or any good.
I think there will be public outrage expressed over the prosecution.
And you know the old adage, I'd rather be I'd
rather put my hands in the hands of twelve people
that will be dead, you know what I mean, put
my life in the hands of twelve people or die.
I'm gonna go with the former. Can always count on

(40:15):
maybe a jury acquitting you because you were justified in
your use of deadly force. That's what it comes down to,
reasonable under the circumstances, and I think this is the
use of deadly force under the circumstances I put it
on the last hour is really troubling because there are
so many people around. I mean, I think there's some

(40:37):
expectation that someone is gonna use deadly force. Has to
account for the fact that, well, maybe I'll miss and
I'll keep shoot an innocent bystander. The use of deadly
force may be reasonable and justified, but a concern human
being might hesitate for a moment, and then, of course
instilled in the public perception is exactly the point you're making,

(40:57):
which is, wait a second, if you had time to
process it under the circumstances, and this is I mean,
moments matter. Under these circumstances, you don't have a whole
lot of time to kick back and sort of contemplate,
you know, the ethics and morality, the legality. You're getting
the crap beat out of you. But then that little

(41:19):
voice like you said, well, if I do use deadly force,
I'm going to get prosecuted. And that's an image and
a perception. I think that the left and anti gun folks,
that's what they want. They want people to be so
fearful that they will not even protect their lives when

(41:40):
they have the ability to do it. Like I said,
I'm going with a jury. Bobby, Welcome to the Morning Show.
Happy Monday to you, Happy Monday.

Speaker 11 (41:50):
My friend. Thanks for taking my call. And we're not.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
All peer bongers. Okay, I think you understand what I
know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 11 (42:04):
It doesn't matter if it's Chicago or wherever else it is,
dog islands in the streets. People have to protect themselves
and be vigilant of what goes on around them.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I got a friend in Iowa that's listening right now.
In Davenport, Iowa. He said they had a very similar incident.
Nobody reported on it, there was no video of it,
but in Davenport, Iowa, he said, you know, it's not
just your city, man, It's going all over the place.
They had a red, White and Boom festival fireworks show,
and you know, things went awry.

Speaker 11 (42:35):
I just try to give advice to people and tell
them the truth.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Be vigilant.

Speaker 11 (42:39):
Yeah, he's like family and firearms. If you have those,
you always keep your freedom. Yep, you better think about it,
because it doesn't matter where you go. There's evil everywhere. Yes, indeed,
some of the most evil people in the world had
a nice smile.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yes indeed. Well, and you know what, you could be
walking in the woods and next thing you know, you're
being attacked by a vicious grizzly bear or something. It's
nice at that point to have a forty five seventy
on you, or maybe a five hundred magnum any event.
Appreciate that. Hey, Angus, we got time for Angus, Joe
real fat. Let's take your call. Angus, we're out a

(43:15):
time to go ahead? It's okay angers.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Sorry, Hey Brian, did the drones respond to this?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I appreciate the little interjection of levity, Angus. I understand
where you're coming from. It's obviously a very tragic situation.
But whenever you can chuckle at something, I think that's
probably a good thing. I don't know what a drone
would have done. Can anybody answer that question? The police
weren't even aware that this was going on? Which path
was asked a larger question. Wait a second, you got

(43:45):
a music festival with ninety thousand people and they're pouring
out of it. There's gonna be people milling in the street.
They're gonna be exiting bars post a concert, bars closed
it too. People are pouring out in the streets. If
you're police chief, where do you think you might want
to allocate recent sources? He asked out loud, scratching his head,
wondering why there weren't police standing right there. Six sixteen

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(45:31):
he's going to be talking about this morning anyway. You
know the interesting comment from police chief three SOHIGI. She
has actually came out in issuative statement six p m. Saturday,
of course, many hours after the altercation, but she said
the behavior show of the video nothing short of cruel
and absolutely unacceptable. Of course you're just tuning in. I'm

(45:54):
talking about the uh, the fight, the beat down individueen
kicked and stomped on by folks after he had already
been incapacitated laying in the street, followed by a woman
getting punched in the face Colecock knocked out. That was
the I think one of the more horrific elements of
the video. But you're entitled your own conclusions on that.

(46:14):
She said, I'm in complete disgust waking up to the
viral video. Many of you now seeing the behavior displayed
nothing sort of cool and absolutely unacceptable. Our investigative team
is working diligently to identify every individual involved in causing harm.
She claimed it was not connected in any way to
the music fest, and something else that was echoed by
some of the other elected officials that actually came on record,

(46:34):
absent have Purval, who hasn't said a word anybody's understanding
at this moment. I mean, it was a connected in
some way of the music fest, because that's what brought
all the people downtown Cincinnati. But I don't know what
the verbal altercation that she concluded led to this horrific
beatdown was about. Maybe it was about one of the

(46:54):
musical acts that performed. But here's the trouble. In comment,
as reported by WCPOS, Molly Shramp, a spokesperson for the
Cincinnati Police Department, told us before Fiji's statement that they
were not aware of the incident until the videos were posted. Huh,

(47:22):
so there was literally no police presence at all in
the general area, and of course if nobody bothers calling
nine to one one and apparently they only got one
nine one one call among all the throng of people
that were involved or they're witnessing this, only one person bothered,
and a lot of criticism of people standing around videoing
something when they should have been rendering assistance to those Well,

(47:45):
you know, it's it's easy to say that, but if
you're in the middle of a melee like that and
the idea of you rendering assistance may mean that you're
the one in the middle of the street getting kicked
and beaten down because you're so outnumbered. Referencing the woman
who got punched in the face, who appeared to be
a person who was looking into rendering aid or otherwise

(48:05):
checking on the condition of the individual that had gotten
the crap beat out of them. She gets punched in
the face for no reason at all, left unconscious. Mark Jeffries,
maybe he'll be right since the accounts with Mark Jeffries said

(48:31):
incredibly disturbing and horrific, downright inhumane. He said he's spoken
with other city officials and police to work on finding
individuals responsible and arrest them urgently. Quote. This behavior cannot
stand and will not represent our city. Those responsible must
be held accountable and prosecuted the fullest extent of the law. Yeah,
that's what we need to hear. Props to Mark Jeffries

(48:52):
for saying the important part out loud. Let's see what happens.
Will there be followed through? How do you rehabilitate a
city's repute is being soft on crime and we've got
one of those and overcome the challenges that this type
of incident represents for the city and its efforts to
grow and expand and attract businesses and individuals to live

(49:16):
in the City of Cincinnati. You know how you do that.
You lock people up and prosecute them to the full
sixtent of the law. We are a law and order
city here in the City of Cincinnati. The old days
are gone. We are now all about law enforcement. Don't
do the crime, or you're going to do the time.

(49:39):
Isn't that a better message to project to the nation
and even the world. You know, it's kind of funny
what I was doing prep for the show yesterday. This
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Anybody have any solutions? What can be done? This where
we in the societal collapse got to ask out loud
seemingly we are anyhow of course, referring to the brown
downtown Cincinnati, that just animal behavior from people, animalistic. Go

(51:25):
ahead and make an argument to the contrary. I don't
there's anybody in a human being alive that could justify
that kind of treatment of another human being. I don't
even care what the original fight was about. Moving on
the other things did happen over the weekend. Fairfield of Hio.
We got a person shot Sunday morning at a speedway
gas station on Dixie Highway or in Fairfield. Shooting started

(51:46):
as a physical fight in the parking lot of the
seventy three hundred Dixie Highway. Police said two men injured,
only one shot shooting victim taking to Mercy Hospital airlifted
UC Medical Center. As of the reporting from WC, condition
currently unknown, and of course at this point there are
no suspects. They also believe there's no threat to the community,

(52:07):
which is good.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
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Speaker 1 (52:10):
Let us see here over to Deerfield Township man arrested
after an hour's long police stand off having a Deerfield Township,
prompting emergency alerge to be sent to all Warren County
residents and others from the surrounding counties. Court of the
Warren County Sheriff Barely Barry Riley, speaking again with local news,
WCPO said officers went to a residence on Spring Mill
Way in the Landon area about noontime to execute an

(52:30):
arrest warrant a thirty two year old Denzel Pouncy. Pouncey
had active warrants on charges of strangulation an assault. After
officers dispatched Friday night to u See, Westchester for report
of an assault, Warren County Tactical Response Unit breached the
front door of the residence with explosives before making entry
and taking this guy in to custody. Riley said three

(52:53):
others were also taken out of the residence, including Pouncey's fiance.
No one injured, no shots fired during the breach, Riley said.
After leaving the scene, wcpo's crew saw damaged doorway at
the residents. Riley said Pouncy also currently on parole. Long
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(53:15):
and more. WOW. Crews from multiple law enfortunate enforcement agencies
were involved, Deerfield Fire and Rescue, Mason Fire and Rescue,
Monroe Police, and Deerfield Township Police and more. Warren County
EMA said a press release the alert regarding the incident
in the Landing area accidentally sent out to a much
wider area due to what they call a technical malfunction.

(53:39):
Riley specified they believe it was a computer glitch, not
human error, saying the dispatcher who sent it out today
is one of the most experienced, hardest working, best dispatches
I know in the business. Not his fault. Not only
sent to all Warren County residents, but also some people
surrounding counties Hamilton, Butler, Clinton, Claremont, and Green County Geese
even went to my own Sims Township. I didn't get

(54:02):
an alert. Technical issue was with the integrated Public Alert
and Warning system. I pause, and they say it's currently
being thoroughly investigated with local, state, and federal partners. At
corner of the Warren County EMA original alert to residents
sent out about twelve thirty pm, calling for everyone to
shelter in place. That's a pretty wide swath of the community.

(54:26):
Third alert, roughly one thirty PM told residents of safety
alert was canceled. So maybe that glitch will get resolved.
We can only hope anyhow, if you got some comments
or thoughts on the melee in Downtownsons and I'd love
to hear from you, love to have an explanation or
excuse to how we fixed the problem. One costs to
person called earlier. It suggest that, you know, it would
be really important for the NAACP, given all the power

(54:47):
and cloud that they enjoy and they do, to issue
a statement maybe calling for calmer reactions, maybe calling for
some you know, reflection on members of the community generally speaking,
not members of any particular ethnic group. Everybody. Look, I mean,
we need people from all levels. This is something Smithman's
been on a tear and I'm sure he's gonna continue it.
The silence about the police department and support for police

(55:08):
and support for law enforcement has been deafening, sort of
in a state of denial over the crime statistics that
some statistics are down but many are up. You know,
you're gonna believe you're lion eyes or you're gonna believe
what our public officials say. But in the absence of
a statement from public officials, you know you don't have
this showing of uniformity, this showing of collective lockstep approval

(55:35):
of and support of the police department, and support of
law and order, and support of civility. Wish more elected
officials would speak to civility, getting along, living side by
side with people of all races and colors and creeds.

(55:56):
We can all enjoy the city of Cincinnati together. Look
what we've got. I've commented many times over the years,
how much better my life has been since I moved
back to Cincinnati after experiencing Chicago in the nineteen nineties.
Do look at the crime stats in Chicago between nineteen
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(56:19):
think it was a war zone. How bad things were
back doing with a number of murders. It's gotten better,
believe it or not, but it's going in the wrong direction.

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Forty one on a Monday and a happy one to you.
Remember fifty five KRC dot com. You get the podcast
if you can't stick around for the seven flock hour,
we're gonna be hearing from FOP President Ken Kober about
the beatdown over the weekend, the police responds to it,
and the community's response to Christopher Smith Aman at the
At seven to twenty. Every Monday, we hear from the
former vice mayor with the Smither event. He'll be on

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today and yeah, I imagine he'll have a thing or
two to say about that Monday Money with Brian James
Ato five and the return of Rabbi Ari June to
talk about the Robling Bridge shutdown protest. That'll be at
eight thirty. He'll be in studio. Looking forward to seeing
your Rabbi. That again eight thirty, let's go to the phone,
see what Corey's got. Corey, thanks for calling this morning,
and happy Monday to you.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Happy Monday. There Brian, Hey, this a couple quick thoughts
from that. I call it a hate crime that happened
downtown because remember back a few years ago, the Knockout
game and all this stuff seems to always be blacking
against white violence and if they own the unarmed people
to attack. Because one, Ohio is one of the only

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states in the entire country who's no gun scigns, have
Corse law, which they know most people will be unarmed.
More than likely these people were either at the baseball
game or at that jazz best, which both of them
disarm you, so you're vulnerable while you're out in public.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Or or at the bars. I mean these I don't
think the concert was still going on at the time
this happened. I think it was reportedly happened at three
o'clock in the morning, So I think it's probably people
that were filing out of bars or otherwise enjoying the
Dora district they have there.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yeah, absolutely, which crazy to why we want to mention
Ohio one of the states, Like I said, no gun signs. Course,
the law Kentucky you can carry in a bar and
you can drink while consuming alcohol, but you cannot be intoxicated.
So why is it in Ohio if you have one

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ver well carry and that's a fellony, and in Kentucky
it's not. I think Ohio needs to change that law.
Then you do a with no gun signs, because it's
leaving people vulnerable to this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Well, a private property owner who has control over his
or her private property, I don't think you would want
some legislative body telling you what you can or cannot
have in your own home. And that's the way they
view private property. So if you are of the mind
that you don't like firearms and think they represent a
danger to your private business, then I believe you do

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have the right to tell someone they can't bring one in.
Now you're turning away business, and I think you're creating
a more opportunity for more violence. But I believe in
the property right, so I'll disagree with you on that.
But I think it's a rather interesting thing that Kentucky
allows people to consume alcohol and carry concealed I don't
find any problem with that as long as you're not intoxicated.
But and I don't know if it would solve the problem. Corey,

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what's your reaction if you know that this would have
been a justifiable use of deadly force. If you were
that guy getting the crap beat out of him, you
would have a legitimate fear for your wife life. Who
would you shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Anybody that that definitely stopped my head on the ground.
That is attempted murderer. So I was trying to stunk
your head into the assphole. I think anybody that was
participating in that absolutely deserve to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Be shot, right, and that would be justifiable.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
But you know, if you're in that posi and I'm
just trying to be practical here, Corey, you and I
see pretty much eye to eye on the right to
keep him bare arms in the legitimate, reasonable, justifiable use
of them under certain circumstances. But you know, being experienced
firearms user and an owner of multiple firearms, if I
am that guy and I'm on the ground, I'm not
quite sure I would be in a position to capably

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operate one. That guy was clearly disoriented, he could barely
get up some people standing around.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
You have a right to defend others as well, Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Like the guy at Walmart, Like the guy at Walmart
going going after the guy that got all stabby on everyone.
That's how he's being celebrated as a hero. Right now,
more people in the crowd had firearms and they saw
someone whose life was in peril, they could have risen
to the challenge. And maybe that answers the question about
what you and I are supposed to do as a society.

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If we encounter this, you're obviously outnumbered. There's a multitude
of people beating the crap out of some defenseless little
guy on this or guy on the street. So if
you have a firearm, maybe that's what equalizes the situation,
so you're less afraid to get involved and help a
poor man out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Absolutely. One other things, speaking of that Walmart attack in Ohio,
that guy could be charged with menacing or aggravated menacing
or aggravated assault. As in Ohio, it is illegal to
brandish a firearm if you do not use it. One
time you can brandish a firearm is with the actual
act of shooting somebody exfinitely pulling it out and deterring

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the threat as a crime in Ohio, and that takes
the bill Sykes under the standard ground wall. A few
years ago, each took that language out in the Federal's
committee of the bill to leave it a crime. So
thank you Bill Sykes for people being in harms way
in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
There you go. Appreciate the shot. Cory, thanks for the
call as well. Five one three seven, eight hundred and
eighty two to three talk found five fifty on AT
and T phones. Yeah, in so far as well or
not this is a hate crime, I don't know. So
that earlier caller suggested it might have been racially motivated
given the two victims, the woman who got just the
crap punched out of her and the guy that was

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being kicked on the ground. Obviously the black folks were
beating the crap out of the white guy on the ground,
But was race a factor? That does not answer the question.
This is why I always say I'm gonna let cooler
heads prevail and find out and someone is looking into it.
Harmead Nolan, the Assistant Attorney General for the US Department
of Justice Civil Rights Division, had this to saynd it
our federal hate crimes law applied to all Americans, and

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the division is monitoring how local authorities handled the incident, saying,
nobody in our great nation should be the victim of
such a crime, and where race is a motivation federal
law may apply. She's obviously taking like I am a
wait and see approach. I'm not going to be quick
to rush to judgment as to what motivated this. I
don't know what the two guys are in a verbal
altercation about that brought about this insane reaction from the crowd.

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I don't like jumy conclusions. Some people get away with
joemy to conclusions immediately calling something racial or not, and
quite often they're found to be wrong in their immediate conclusion.
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You know that video we've been talking about all morning
wasn't the only one that happened. I know that because
uh posting on Facebook my friend westside Jim, who's on
the phone right now, posting another one. Jim, Welcome back man.
It's always great to hear from you.

Speaker 13 (01:05:54):
Hey, Brian, Hey, I posted about five or six of them.
I mean, they're starting to come out of the woodwork.
You know, about four or five weeks ago, there was
an article about these four gentlemen coming out of Rubies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
You remember that, Oh yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Jump by fifteen or twenty utes. And this is going
to tell them the community, the business community actually comes
out and sits down in demands, not talks. I'm tired
of this talks, and I'm tired of hearing the same
old rhetoric and bs from our so called people who

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run this city. And until they come out and demand, because.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
That's who's going to hurt.

Speaker 13 (01:06:33):
I mean, these four guys got jumped, and you can't
tell me that you and and that is just being facetious,
but you and your mom want to go to Rubies.
Well let's go to the suburbs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
So there is a.

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Positive behind this.

Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
The suburbs are getting business out of it, where the
downtown's are hurt. But you know, racial, but I'm sorry,
go ahead, no, no, there's a definite racial behind this
because they it's going to get to the point where
it's going to be black only music festival. Now we
don't want that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
We don't want that.

Speaker 13 (01:07:07):
Now, if these people want to the music festival, and
there are white people that go to the music festival
and try to enjoy their.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Night out, oh my wife's gone many times.

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
But for Fiji to come out and say that this
had nothing to do with the music festival, well, her
head is so far in the sand, because if you
look away, these people were dressed. They don't go down
there at three o'clock in the morning on a Friday
night and normally walk around in downtown Cincinnati. They were
coming from the music festival, going to one of the

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doras or a bar. So to me it is attributed
to the music festival.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Well, yeah, any event where you get a large group
of people congregating together represents a heightened element for security
only because so many people who are usually strangers to
each other congregate together, have an opportunity, as I mentioned
earlier in the program, to bump into each other, spill
a beer on someone, getting a verbal altercation. Concentrated people
equals a higher likelihood of that happening. So yeah, in

(01:08:03):
some way, shape or form, it's related to the music festival.
But I understand the festival is over. Don't they shut
those things down at eleven pm? So people work clearly
at the Dora or at the bars, right. The reason
they were there was because the news had brought them down.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
Yeah, and also when they come out and Thiji says, well,
you know she was she was down there playing the
John Travolta, dancing up in a private box. If I
was a police chief, I would have been downtown and
in a car a movie from territory territory and checking
in on my people. From what I understand, there was
hardly any police presence downtown.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
And she said she didn't even find out about it
until the next day when the viral video started circulating. Yeah, correct, the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Chief, And that's just disgusting.

Speaker 13 (01:08:45):
That's terrible for our police chief to do something like that.
It shows that she's not informed, she's way inconfident about
the whole matter, and she should have been down there
with her so called troops and maybe she could have
been directing a jerne. I know that tongue in cheek,
but it's just terrible the way the city is going,

(01:09:05):
and it's not going to get any better with the
regime that we have. And I'm talking about the police
departments upper management. I'm not talking about the troops. The
troops do their job when they're given the opportunity to
do their job, and that's the problem. They're not given
that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
If they'd have had a dozen.

Speaker 13 (01:09:23):
Cops walking around downtown or driving or doing whatever they
had to do, this would never have happened, or it
would have been very very short and we wouldn't be
seeing this on national and international news.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Right and presumably arrests would have made the evening of
the attack or the morning of the attack, as opposed
to them having to go around and try to search
with search for people using downtown cameras as well as
the videos that people standing around watching it were taking,
which they're currently doing so.

Speaker 13 (01:09:51):
And lastly, Brian for to give them the external wall
to prosecute them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
We know what's going to happen.

Speaker 13 (01:09:57):
It's going to be probation, it's going to be maybe
ten days in jail or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
This guy couldn't die.

Speaker 13 (01:10:03):
That woman could have died if she couldn't bring you.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
Know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
It may very well have one. Her current condition is
currently unknown. Well, you know, if history, if history is
a guide your presumption about what is going to happen,
will be proven true. But doesn't this represent a great
opportunity to go the opposite direction and demonstrate to the
entire country that Cincinnati is now a town of law

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and order and we have the days of treating people
with kid gloves who commit these violent crimes is over.
I think it's time we can turn a page.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
But they need six months in jail. Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 13 (01:10:44):
Don't need an attempted motortren for picking up trash on
the side of the road. They need six months in
a justice center to see what it's really like when
they cause problems like this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
That's what the justice system is supposed to be a
deterrence for future people who might consider doing something as
heinous as we witness from over the weekend. Always great
to hear from you, Jim, Have a great day, my friend.
Six fifty seven, we're gonna hear from the man who
is responsible for the troops, the FOP president, Ken Kober
is going to join the program right after the news,
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It's seven five here fifty five k r C the
talk station. Try to have a happy Monday. And to
the subject matter we've been focusing on this morning, rather
disgusting and horrific. And to talk about that subject matter,
of course, the fight over the weekend, the severe beatdown
of a man as well as the cole cocking, just
punching of what a seemingly innocent bystander trying to help
out render assistance knocked the ground. To speak to that matter,

(01:12:01):
the FOP president Ken Kober returns to the morning show.
Chief or President of the Sin Saint's Fraternal or Police.
It's great to have you back on, Ken. I wish
it was under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness
to speak with my listeners of me about this.

Speaker 12 (01:12:14):
Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
The one puzzling thing THREESA Tiji, the chief of police
said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware
that this had happened until she saw the viral video
the following day or that day. Later in the day,
about six pm, she issued a statement. This was three
o'clock in the morning. I guess post concert there are
about ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks

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went to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards,
and we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be
an area where you might expect the chief or whoever's
responsible for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't
appear to be any police involved in the era, even
in the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:12:58):
You know, you had a lot going on downtown. Go,
of course, we're spread thin. There's only so many of
us to go around. You know, we get calls for
service and we end up.

Speaker 12 (01:13:07):
Responding to them.

Speaker 15 (01:13:08):
I mean, that's uh, not the only way you can
put It was three in the morning, so all the
events have wrapped up from from music fest, and then
it was just another another night of the bar downtown.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Unfortunately, well, well I guess did It was reported in
multiple news outlets there was only one nine to one
one call. Is that accurate?

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
I believe there were two or three.

Speaker 15 (01:13:31):
But yes, I mean you would think something like this
that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so
few people call nine one one, and you know, I
talked about it over the weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:13:38):
It's it's disgusting.

Speaker 15 (01:13:39):
That you had people that would rather just watch in
videotape rather than you know, if you don't want to
get involved in completely understand, call the police, you know,
because we can't be everywhere and unless we know something's
going on.

Speaker 12 (01:13:51):
You know, you can't get there.

Speaker 15 (01:13:52):
But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,
I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,
you know, to diffuse the situation after or the a
guy in the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty
forty times, and.

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
Then I guess they decided that was enough.

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
Then.

Speaker 15 (01:14:05):
I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.
This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
No question about it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I understand you're working to identify ever, but he's involved
quite a few videos floating around. But I also understand
that city cameras are in or in the area. Are
there cameras mounted close by to where this unfolded.

Speaker 15 (01:14:24):
There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.
Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.
So that's all be all part of the investigation. And
these investigators have been working around the clock, you know,
to not only identify them, but then to find.

Speaker 12 (01:14:39):
Out why did this happen.

Speaker 15 (01:14:41):
You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,
who started it, who didn't start it. But at the
end of the day, what could have started out as
a mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground
and you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,
that that's not a mutual fight.

Speaker 12 (01:14:58):
That is just a savage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Attack, without question, And I honestly, and when you put
it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the
who started the fight. It could have been a guy
that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered
that night, But does it really matter if he's the
one that started the whole altercation between one other person,
It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local

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twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was
talking to you, I guess says several suspects identified in
brutal downtown since I attack. Have the police actually identified
some of the suspects because there's no specific reporting in
the bulk of the article that says just that.

Speaker 15 (01:15:37):
Oh, No, they've identified several people already.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
Good been getting tips. You know that they can use
video cameras.

Speaker 15 (01:15:44):
That's great, you know the people that want to instead
of calling the police, I want to sit there and
videotape this stuff and then put it on the internet.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
It's fantastic because at.

Speaker 15 (01:15:52):
Least they were doing something, because now it makes it
a lot easier when the police have several different angles
to be able to identify some of these perpetrators. Yes,
there have been people identified. They're still looking to identify
more people. So why we've asked, you know, people either
call crime stoppers or call the Central Business Section three
five two five four four five as the investigator's line
number to be able to get the rest of these

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people identified.

Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just
stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.
It doesn't matter my position relative that the last thing
I ever think of is pulling my phone out to
even take a picture at a family event. But this
is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if you're
not willing to make a phone call to the police
and say Hey, that was my brother in law that
punched that woman in the face. But at least they

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took a video of it, so it helped you identify them.
But that the component that really bothers me so much.
We live in a world where we're willing to alienate
family members over politics and not answer the phone or
call them up anymore and end ties with them. If
you're hanging out with or otherwise friends or relatives to
someone who would do something as horrific as just walk

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up and punch a woman right in the face or
otherwise kick a man while he's obviously incapacitated him down,
that's not somebody I'd want to hang out with. And
that's someone I'd be more than happy to drop a
dime on, oh, without a doubt.

Speaker 15 (01:17:13):
And you know, and you talk about this time after
time after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, but what
I saw on social media this weekend, there were there
were a group of people that were actually trying to
defend this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman
getting knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,
this is okay and this is why, and it's like

(01:17:35):
and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults
trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why
we are where we are as a society.

Speaker 12 (01:17:43):
It's it's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that
some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,
we had, you know, some council people at Mark Jefferies
I think was outspoken on and he said they need
to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
As this morning and Joe and I both did separate
internet searches. Not a word from the mayor. What's your
reaction to that? Ken? The silence is deafening, well exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:18:09):
I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,
council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing
from the mayor.

Speaker 12 (01:18:15):
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I don't either, So solutions, I mean a lot of
people calling in making fun of the whole idea of
where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of
tongue in cheek like what could a drone do? Anyway?
But in terms of what you would hope to be
a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents
an ultimate opportunity for us as a city to turn

(01:18:39):
the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to
the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually
it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it
included this in it as well. But for us to
finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the
prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,

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we need to be a law and order city in
order to counterbalance this, this really negative perception of the
city of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.

Speaker 15 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are
going to stop is if the people are actually held
accountable and they put them all in prison. That then
that will send a message to the public that if
you come down here and you act like this, there
are going to be consequences. They are going to be
real consequences, and you're going to go to prison. That
and only then is when we will actually maybe see

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some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,
they believe right now there's no consequences.

Speaker 12 (01:19:33):
That's why they do these things. And they said they.

Speaker 15 (01:19:35):
Know they're on camera they know it's likely that they're
going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable,
this will continue. I'd love to see a headline six
months or a year from now, four people sent to
prison for this brutal attack.

Speaker 12 (01:19:47):
Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning
show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,
if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in
fear for your life. You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.
Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,
he might have been to defend himself. You're in a
very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the
ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity

(01:20:13):
for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.
But your take on the justification for use of deadly
force had that guy been armed, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:20:23):
I mean it absolutely would have been justified.

Speaker 15 (01:20:26):
You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people
kicking your head, stomping you.

Speaker 12 (01:20:30):
You kick somebody in the head, you're stomping on their head.

Speaker 15 (01:20:33):
You are clearly trying to cause them serious physical harm.
You have the right to defend yourself. You know, maybe
that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to
realize that you can't do this again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude
not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to
the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of
what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member
of the public defending themselves would edley for some of
those circumstances, reminding the rest of the population that, yeah,
there are a whole bunch of armed people out there
and this might be a really, really bad idea.

Speaker 15 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I mean that that's the only that's other than
you know, the headlines of these people going to prison.
That's the only other way that people are going to
start thinking twice before they.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Act this way. FOP President cam Cover, God bless you, sir,
keep up the great work. And you know the fifty
five KRS morning show listeners have the Cincinnta Police departments
back and we'll be happy to drop a dime if
we have information that might lead to an arrest. Three
five two thirty forty Crime Stoppers in number. Take care Ken,
stay well, my friend.

Speaker 12 (01:21:36):
All right, thanks for Hammy, Bran's always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Take care seven to fifteen right now, if you have
Care City Talks Station, Gee, I wonder what Christopher Smitheman
is going to talk about in his Smither event seven
twenty If you have care CEV Talk station, A very
happy Monday to you made always extra special happy because
this is the point of the week we get to
talk to the former Vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati,
Christopher Smitheman, and let him unload and vent his planning

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the Smither Vent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
I wonder what you're going to talk about today. Welcome back,
Christopher Smitherman. It's great to have you on as always.

Speaker 9 (01:22:07):
Brian Thomas, I've been listening to your show since five am,
and I tell you we've been You and I have
been talking about this all summer. Yeah, you and I
are not surprised because we've been talking about this crime
wave that is happening and things were just going to
get worse. I'm the outgoing vice mayor of the City

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of Cincinnati. I've never seen anything like this. And when
I'll share with first with the public, you're listening audience.
What should the mayor be doing? What would be normal?
A normal would be a press conference.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Yeah, a normal.

Speaker 9 (01:22:45):
Would be a statement. A normal would be a press
conference with law enforcement surrounding you, including the ATF, the FBI,
the Justice Department, with the videos, with some type of
money behind it, saying I want you to identify.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Who these people are.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
The reward video.

Speaker 9 (01:23:06):
Running you're circling, here's the reward for everybody. Here's fifty thousand,
here's fifty thousand, here's But what they really are out
there worried about, which is so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Sick is the money.

Speaker 9 (01:23:18):
They're so interested in the music festival and the money.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
So let me just say that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Listen to that.

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
If they don't know who did it, how do they know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
It's not connected to the music festival.

Speaker 9 (01:23:31):
If they haven't arrested anybody, if they haven't gone down
and done any interviews, how can they publicly say that
those who are involved in the incident, the beating, the attack,
the attempted murder were not connected to the music festival.
They don't know, so they're jumping out saying, hey man,
this has nothing to do with the music festival. However,

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I'm just I think the attack was horrible. Look where
the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Is the of the city of Cincinnati. Yeah, that's act
what we have to ask ourselves right now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
As of this morning, we can find nothing by way
of reporting a statement from mayor. I have to have
pur ball, zero, zip, nada. Hell, we have heard from
at least some of the council members. We heard from
the Vice mayor. We've heard from Bernie Moreno, We've heard
from the Bank Ramaswami, We've heard from Elon Musk has
even commented on this. You got people coming to the

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woodwork on a national level, and yet nothing from the mayor.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
And the crazy thing about it, Bryan Thomas, is these
are the kinds of moments when you're an elected official,
that define you, like we're in that moment. The other
thing I want to stress is this wasn't the only attack.
No other videos are surfacing, and there will be most
likely more videos that are surfacing. I saw a video,

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and this is maybe what West West Side Jim and
you were talking about, of a white male who was
just punched in the face.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
He was knocked out.

Speaker 9 (01:25:03):
He was then drugged to the middle of the street
where in front of a car while people are videotaping
him and laughing and mocking him and kicking him like
he was a piece of meat or an animal.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Yeah, this happened on video.

Speaker 9 (01:25:20):
It had It didn't look like it was connected at
all to the incident that we're talking about. There are
other incidents that occurred in downtown Cincinnati. There were multiple attacks.
There were multiple attacks against white citizens. This is a hate.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Crime, yeah, you know that. On that on that specific
when Christopher, you can almost easily come to that conclusion.
And I'm not one to immediately say, hey, it's a
hate crime or it's racially motivated. But the video camera
was already recording. There was nothing going on that would justify,
at least in my mind, to have a video camera

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running unless you knew that that guy was going to
do a knockout game incident. So you're filling up the
plain old white guy mining his own business, and then
all of a sudden, this other guy comes up and
just plot bam right in the face, like you said,
and then drugman in the street, all recorded on video.
How is it that the person recording it new to
have the video camera running on that guy at that

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particular moment in time it was a setup.

Speaker 9 (01:26:22):
It's absolutely a setup. And you heard someone actually say
something along this This isn't the exact quote, but don't
walk outside at night. You shouldn't be here at night.
You shouldn't be here, meaning the person is verbally telling
him this is not your city.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
This is the.

Speaker 9 (01:26:40):
Craziness of defund the police, reimagine the police. It's a
culture of city hall Brian Thomas that we've been talking about.
This mayor has fully embraced that mentality. So the police
department they don't support him because they're worried that if
they go out and engain guess what, they're gonna be prosecuted,

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They're gonna lose everything, They're gonna be drug on CNN,
even though CNN doesn't show this, if an officer had responded,
or if one of those citizens who was being beat
up had a weapon and took a life. Now, all
of a sudden, we are on CNN.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
The last thing.

Speaker 9 (01:27:19):
Before we go to break is I know we've got
to go, but look.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Let's reverse this.

Speaker 9 (01:27:24):
Let's say that there was a middle age African American
citizen couple walking down the street. They were surrounded by
white people. They were mocking them. There was some kind
of discussion and all of a sudden a fight breaks
out and a mob sits. A white mob beats up
a middle age white couple in the middle of the street.

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They drag them out, they kick them in the head,
and then they punched the woman in the faith and
knock her out cold where she looks like she did.
It was a tempted murder. Tell me that city Hall
this the rest of the country, Al Sharpen, you name them,
the NAACP, the Urban League would not be in downtown

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Cincinnati demanding justice.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Seventh thirty You coming to with a seventh thirty one
to fifty by KRCV talk station of amadcent Monday. Brian
Timas here with Christopher Smith in the middle of the
Smith event. I just got a comment from one of
my listeners, Christopher real quick. I don't want to interrupt
what your train of thought is, but he suggested that
maybe aftab Perwall is too concerned about the black vote
coming up this November than to stand up with the CBS,

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since I Police Department, FBI, anybody else who might be
involved with this from a law enforcement standpoint. But my
reaction is, since you are a member of the black community, Christopher,
what's your perception about how this looks or how this
makes the black community look. If I was a member
of the black community, I'd be pissed off about this.
I would be embarrassed. I'd say, you're bringing me down,
You're making me look bad, You're making me look to

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be as part of this of the problem. This isn't
who we are as a people.

Speaker 9 (01:28:58):
Christopher, Well, unfortunately we live in this world where identity
politics are like the menu. So let me first just
say ninety nine point nine to nine percent of African
Americans to get up every day and go to work
for law abiding citizens and are not connected to this craziness.
They believe that it's absolutely nuts. They're incredibly embarrassed by it,

(01:29:22):
absolutely period.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
All Right.

Speaker 9 (01:29:25):
If this were a white people, I would say I
would think that they would also be saying they're very
embarrassed by this kind of behavior. So the bottom line
is African Americans who are who have seen this, who
have watched it, are absolutely saying that it was absolutely horrific. Period,
It's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Number two.

Speaker 9 (01:29:46):
Yeah, number two, let me say clearly that if we
had a mayor, which I'm not sure if we have one.
If we had a mayor, the mayor would have extended
his deepest condolences to the victims. Oh yes, he would
have found the woman, He would have found the man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
He would have.

Speaker 9 (01:30:06):
Found those three or four or five or seven other
victims and gone to their bedside, gone to their homes,
gone to the hospital, spoken to their families. He doesn't
have a heart. He's worried about his next election. This
is why I supported David Mann in the last election,
because I said, listen, I just want a mayor who

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cared about Cincinnati. This guy only cares about his next position.
That's it. We don't have a mayor, and it's why
I'm supporting Corey Bowman. I'm gonna get real political because
that's part of the penicillin. People go, oh Man, Smitham
is getting political. We have an election in November. If
you vote for this guy, you're voting for what you

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saw downtown. Don't blame me, blame yourself. Look in the mirror.
You are the problem citizens in Paddock Hills and Clifton
right in some of our more liberal parts of our community.
In Paddock Hills, if you and pleasant Ridge, if they
go in and vote for this mayor, and you saw
what happened downtown, right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
This is an incident that makes you, as far as.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
A mayor unqualified to serve. If I had the ability
to put a petition on the ground to recall him,
I would, And everybody knows I'm great at petitions. I'd
have a petition on the ground this week to recall
this guy. He is absolutely incompetent and should not be
serving as the mayor of the city of Cincinnati. That's

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where we are, and we have we have liberals out
here in the media say, oh, man, Corey Bowman's of
a brother is uh is the is the brother of
the Vice president of the United States of America. What
does that have to do with anything. I have four brothers.
My brothers and I are not the same. I have
one sister. We're not the same. To act as if
this this this talking point that the Democrats have, we

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are in a crisis community.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
This is serious.

Speaker 9 (01:32:04):
We have people that are walking down the street, Brian
Thomas and I have been talking about it from the
beginning of the summer, who are just being attacked for
walking down the street. I believe that these citizens were
attacked because they were white.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I believe that.

Speaker 9 (01:32:18):
I believe it's a hate crime, and I think the
solution is if I were the mayor, I would be
calling Governor Mike L. Ryan right now, Governor. I need help.
I need the National Guard in here. I want a
National Guard person on every single corner. I want to
call the State Highway Patrol in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
We need you.

Speaker 9 (01:32:37):
I want to bring in the Sheriff's department. I need
your help, right We've got to quell this before somebody
else gets killed. And by the way, if you're a
logical citizen, you're and you have a firearm like I do,
you're gonna arm yourself this morning, because you're not gonna
go out there and take this kind of beat down

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and have your wife or your girl friend, or your
daughter or your niece knocked out.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
That picture is so horridic.

Speaker 9 (01:33:06):
The way she fell hit the ground, her eyes went still,
blood was pouring out of her mouth. Oh my god.
I was like in tears when I saw that this
is a human being and you have people making fun
of her. There was one woman who went there, put
her hand behind her head and pulled her up. There
was a good Samaritan who intervened. I thank her for that.

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There was a citizen in the other video who walked
out in front of the car where the white man
had been drugs in the middle of the street, having
been knocked out. He looked like he was trying to
protect him. Another good Samaritan. The reality of it is
is that this was attempted murder. That's what it was.
We need the justice department. I don't want this in
the common police court because they'll let him out. I

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don't want it downtown in Hamilton County because those judges
will let him out. I want this in federal court.
I want everybody involved, including those who are videotaped the
whole incident. It's like driving in a car Brian Thomas
and a robbery.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
It is happening.

Speaker 9 (01:34:05):
You're the driver and there's a person there who's robbing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Both of you go to tail. Both of you are
a part of the crime.

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
If you're videotaping it and someone is being murdered in
front of you, you are a part of the crime.
All of them, all of their cell phones should be confiscated.
We should have them all in federal court. Based the
people who actually were doing the kicking, like they were
kicking that man in his head like he was a football.
All of them should be facing twenty years to life

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in prison in federal court. This was a hate crime.
I don't want six months, I don't want one week.
I want twenty years to life.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Well, this is on the radar. The US Department of
Justice Civil Rights Division HAMI. Dillon, who is the Assistant
Attorney General, issued a statement online saying nobody in a
great nation should be the victim of such a crime,
and where race is a motivation, federal law may apply. So, yeah,
that's true. Maybe the Feds will get involved. We need
a little more questions answered on what started this and
whether or not race was a factor in it, but

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it certainly is easy to reach that conclusion. Right now.
Let's bring Christopher back for a few more words. Seven
here fifty five karasd talk station. He's always on fire,
particularly riled up this morning. My good friend and friend
of the community, former Vice mayor of the City of Sincinnati,
Christopher Smith, with his thoughts, and Smith had been with
his thoughts and comments on the violence over the weekend. Christopher,

(01:35:30):
you know someone brought up you mentioned in your comments
the NAACP and someone this morning suggested, you know what,
that's a very influential, powerful organization. They've got a lot
of credibility, they have a lot of contacts, and this
will be a great opportunity for the NAACP to issue
a statement as well about the violence in the city
and maybe a call to stop it, change it, work
with the police, do something to push the city in

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the right direction. You were former president of the NAACP
Cincinnati Chapter, Christopher, what's your reaction to that kind of thought.

Speaker 9 (01:35:58):
I serve for seven years, and we at that time
were the largest chapter in the state of Ohio under
my presidency, and anybody who came to our meetings, anybody
listening knew that I didn't play, meaning had to have
law order to the meetings respectful, just like I served

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when I was Chair of Law and Public Safety. And
there's no question that if I were the president, that
already would have been a statement condemning what happened Number one,
Number two, asking the community to cooperate with the police
period right and extending my deepest condolences.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
To the victims.

Speaker 9 (01:36:38):
Meaning if we're having a music festival downtown and you're
the n DOUBLEACP, you're the local Cincinnati in DOUBLEACP, this
is an opportunity for you to show balance. By the way,
let me remind the Cincinnati in DOUBLEACP that it was
founded by white Americans, Jewish Americans, and African Americans. That's
what made the n doubleac HE so powerful. So this

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is an opportunity for them to show balance, to be
able to say, man, something horrible happens. I'm not going
to just make put my voice in when I see
African Americans that are harmed by racism or violence or injustice,
I'm going to focus on injustice. I'm going to allow
injustice to drive my policies at the NAACP, not race.

(01:37:25):
The reality of this is that we have a situation
where white citizens were targeted in downtown Cincinnati. We have
an administration who is more worried about the money loss,
meaning the festival itself. The comments. If someone gets on
your show and says the attacks had nothing to do

(01:37:45):
with the festival, everybody should ask, how do you know that?
If you've not arrested anybody and you don't know who
is there, You don't know who these people are, you
don't even know what they're from, the City of Cincinnati
so don't make those proclamations. Their job right now is
to find out who did it and arrest them and
charge them federally in court. Again, I want to emphasize

(01:38:06):
because people say whether the solution, the solution is not
putting them in Hamilton County just with a hate crime.
Build your case. Hold people accountable. Now if they fail
to do this, here's what's going to happen. Citizens from
the suburbs are not coming into downtown.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Oh yeah, that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Well, you know, my wife used to go to them.
My wife used to go to the festivals because you know,
she loved like Earth Wind and Fire and those bands,
and she and one of her girlfriends used to go
fairly regularly. There is no way in hell you could
get her to go down anymore, not a chance in hell.

Speaker 9 (01:38:40):
Or your beautiful daughter, oh or anybody that you love,
your mom or anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
And I'm the same way.

Speaker 9 (01:38:46):
I literally sent a message out months ago to my kid.
We have a text change. Nobody go downtown. Don't even
drive through downtown. I am very concerned about a city
council that seems to have lost the city. Meaning if
you look in Clifton. It's now gone into the gaslight
district where you have eighty to one hundred people just

(01:39:08):
in the street blocking the fire department so they can't
even get out. That's why Stephen Gooden is running for
city council as a charter right, and I support him.
He's a really good guy and people should vote for.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Him, right.

Speaker 9 (01:39:21):
That's why I'm supporting Linda Matthews, she's running for city council.
I don't care about what somebody's party is right now.
We've got to put confidence in people down there, and
we've got to elect the mayor. And why I support
Corey Bowman.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I just want to change.

Speaker 9 (01:39:36):
Brian Thomas, I'm not going to go in and vote
the same way so that next year, this time, you
and I next summer are talking about the same krit
craziness where we have a mayor who's absent. I'm going
to say, as we close, where the hell is the mayor?
We've got Eli Musk weighing in on this, Brian Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
You've got Brian Thomas.

Speaker 9 (01:39:55):
Wing in on this, right, and we don't hear from
mayor pure Ball at all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Well, my astute executive producer, as he's a genius guy
is he just reminded me and I think it's worth noting.
Guess what's coming up Octoberfest and Riverfest.

Speaker 9 (01:40:12):
Not worried about the money. They're worried about the money,
Brian termas they're not worried about what they should be
focused on, which is they've lost control of our fifty
two neighborhoods, which includes one of those being Downtown. I'm
letting you know how the politician thinks. This mayor believes
that he can hide, he can wait this out. He

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doesn't want to come out publicly because he's worried about
pissing off African Americans. If the mayor's office is listening.
You think so little of us as African Americans that
you think we would support this craziness that you think
that law abiding African American citizens that live in the
city of Cincinnati would not vote for you because you
say that people were indiscriminately attacked violently downtown who absolutely

(01:40:59):
was a You think that that's where the African American
community is and we can't find you with a search
war It tells you what he really thinks.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
About us, which it's not a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:41:12):
You don't think a lot about us if you think
that standing in front of a mic condemning this, that
African American voters are gonna say, oh man, we're now
not gonna vote for you. We're searching for leadership, just
like the white community, the Latino community, the Asian community.
We have an incompetent mayor. We have a council that
is absent if this had happened to say, what's the solution.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
What would be a.

Speaker 9 (01:41:34):
Normal reaction from city Hall? We are holding right now,
calling an emergency meeting at City Hall, Chair of Law
and Public Safety. We're gonna bring the police, chep in.
We're gonna bring the FBI in. We're gonna bring the
ATF in. We're gonna bring in the fans who could
prosecute this, the attorney general. We're gonna make sure that
we are all on the same page and we reassure

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the citizens that we are on top of it. Guess
what nowhere to be found. It's not gonna happen because
they're more concerned about the November election. And guess what,
citizens who are listening, You go in and vote for
these same people, you're gonna get the same You're gonna
get the same result.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
That's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Not pulling any punches today is typically the case. Christopher Smithman,
thank you so so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:20):
Thank you so much for putting a voice to this,
because if you had not done it, if you know
you were watching it, the local media wasn't covering it
at all. It was like it never happened. Yes, if
Brian Thomas isn't on the morning from five to nine
telling us what the hell is going on in our city,
there are a lot of times, to your listening audience,
we wouldn't even know what was going on. So thank

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you Brian Thomas for giving us a voice.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
It's a pleasure to dealing. It's better pleasure to be
in a position to do so. Christopher, and I appreciate
the great comments you always provide for my audience every Monday.
I'll look forward to another one next Monday and hopefully
maybe something better to talk about. We'll find out then, Christopher,
God bless you, my friend.

Speaker 9 (01:42:58):
Thank you hear about it and then yea, the Epstein hoaps,
these fellows have to be released talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
I want to know the truth.

Speaker 16 (01:43:06):
People say same.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
On fifty five KRCD talk station to Shiabato six right now,
but you buy par CD talk station. I hope you're
having a decent Monday. Always a good time to be
listening to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Moving away
from some of the more tragic incidents going here in
downtown Cincinnati over the weekend, there's still other things going
on in the world. We still got to worry about money,

(01:43:28):
and we need to worry about the Federal Reserve hiking
interest rates or lowering interest rates. Welcome back from all
Worth Financial Brian James, do another edition of Money Monday.

Speaker 17 (01:43:36):
Good morning, mister Thomas, thanks for having me once again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
All right, all I've heard and I know the Trump
administration wants the Fed to lower the interest rates. There
have been discussions about maybe reducing it by twenty five
bases points. Nobody's really talking about raising it. But there
was an interesting article today and if we haven't seen it,
I'll refer you to it. Don't rule out a rakehike
by William Silver, who's written on matters economic and written
books before. He said someone at the meeting should say

(01:43:59):
the might have to raise its target rate at some
point during the year. Noting that unemployment rate remains pretty
dang low, but the rate of inflation is still somewhat elevated, suggesting,
in his words, if anything, the target interest rates should
be higher to push down inflation. No, here, I haven't
heard anybody talk about that prior to my reading this
article this morning. Was either going to stay the same

(01:44:21):
or it was going to get lowered. What do you think,
Brian James.

Speaker 17 (01:44:24):
Well, yeah, I think it's pretty tough for folks to
go against the grain here. You know, you look a
lot of these political voices, and unfortunately, like it or not,
a lot of them are tied to President Trump, and
he's of course advocating for the opposite and has been
doing that very loudly for basically the last decade. So yeah,
it is a little bit surprising to hear it, to
hear anybody come out against, you know, the idea of

(01:44:45):
lowering rates. Some people still see inflation out there. We've
got we've got some good headlines over the weekend related
to tariff that we're going to get to here and shortly.
But you know, we haven't beaten the inflation monster yet
completely one hundred percent, but we made a lot of
progress there, So, yeah, I would agree with you. I'm
not sure I see the benefit or the risk. I mean,
maybe it's a topic to talk about. That's why there's

(01:45:05):
only a handful of voices, you know, out that about that.
There are a few people out there, you know, Neil
Kashkari and the Minneapolis Fed. He has hinted that he's
open to leaving the door open for another hike if
we still see price pressures resuming. Cleveland FED Representative Loredamester
said similar, she's just really tight on None of them

(01:45:25):
are as vocal as this individual is. But you know,
I really only hear it in hints. Otherwise, well it
was noted again. I'm going back to this, mister silber guy.
Congress has to pay the government's bills, right, so it
too likes low interest rates. So this low interest rates
doesn't really bear a political stripe. Low interest rates are
if you ignore the inflationary reality that might exist. I mean, Democrats, Republicans, independence, communists,

(01:45:51):
everybody enjoys the benefits of lower interest rates, if for
no other reason it tends to have an impact on
what somebody pays for a home in the mortgage rate. Yeah,
and that of course is where we feel at the most.
That's we've had a lot of home buyers. If you've
bought a home in the last four or five years,
then yes, you are paying probably six to seven percent. Ironically,
I did get an email over the weekend from a

(01:46:12):
client who was asking if we should borrow against the
home to invest in the market. And first off, that
is the sign of a market, of a market top
and people start thinking that way. But I think he's
not a person who has a mortgage right now. He's
not dealing with he's considering putting one back in place,
and I think he has forgotten, as a lot of
people have, that rates for people who are putting mortgages
in place are in the six to seven percent range.

(01:46:34):
It's not the three to four space or the two
space that we were in just a few years ago.
So I do think there's a big difference between people
who aren't dealing with mortgages and those who are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Well, it's a really important thing to focus on that
very point, because you're going to have to get north
of seven percent ROI in order to cover the no
on what you borrowed to put in the market. So
that's that's not always guaranteed, is it, Brian James.

Speaker 17 (01:46:55):
Oh no, yeah, we talk about that a lot here
at my little table when we discussed my names, plans
and market history and all that. And and I know why,
of course, it's because ever since twenty two the market
has been on an absolute tear. We've had some you know,
very nerve wracking drops in things with the election and
the policies that President Trumps put in place, but all
in all, the market's been up significantly and strongly. We

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always get to a point there where people just kind
of lose that last bit of defensiveness in terms of
you know this, this can't go on forever. Well, when
that disappears, we start thinking about things like mortgaging the
house to invest a little more. And that's just and
usually it's people who don't really need that in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
The first place.

Speaker 17 (01:47:32):
So I got a call to make this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Well, these these folks at the FED, I mean, they
don't I mean, they're not tea leaf readers, and they
can't see into the future. They don't know which directions
it's going to go in terms of the economy. They're
just really playing a guessing game, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (01:47:46):
Well, I mean there are some of the smartest brains
we have out there on this and they and they
do have to you know, somebody has to actually make
decisions and push buttons and pull levers that will have
an impact good, bad, or indifferent, and those people are
under a lot of stress. President Trump always has the ability,
He's got the advantage of being able to change his
mind on a dime. And as we've seen, you know

(01:48:07):
it just in just in this administration, and we saw
it a couple of ministrations ago in his first go round.
He can do whatever he wants from day to day
and everybody else has to deal with it. On the
other hand, those representing the Federal Reserve making those decisions,
they will not be able to raise rates today and
then lower them tomorrow the way tariff Trump is handling
things like Tariff's.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Right, And they also don't have any obligation to listen
to what Trump wants. I mean again, I go back
to do The one thing I always stuck in my
mind was the Carter administrations and their epic battle with
who was it green Span or Vulcar Vulcanulker, and I mean,
come on, interest rates were just through the blanket roof
and you know, Carter was screaming, please, dear God, lower
the interest rates. They ignored him.

Speaker 17 (01:48:46):
Yeah, and his the approach he took, you know that,
that's what they call the Vulcar rule, right, they named
a rule after him. But yeah, he fought inflation so
fiercely and it hurt a lot. That was a significant recession.
But now as we as we look at it, that's
considered a benchmark of just a bold, aggressive way to
conquer inflation, even though it was unpopular and not very popular,

(01:49:07):
you know, politically. Even so, it did cost some lesser
politicians their roles. But Paul Volker has looked at as
a pretty smart dude nowadays for having done that. Well,
fought the fought against the tide of people who don't
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Oh, obviously it worked because it came down eventually, right.

Speaker 17 (01:49:24):
Yes, And then think about deeper history than that, And
then that launched a period of about twenty years, the
eighties and the nineties, where really nothing bad happened. I mean,
that's a bit of an overstatement, but my gosh, when
I think of the prior twenty years that we've been
through since the turn of the century and the eighties
and the nineties. Eighties and the nineties were the anomaly, Brian.
We had a long period of time where where there's
a lot of people with money now who that's the

(01:49:45):
period that they made it in. And those folks conclude
that the anomaly has been the last twenty years where
we've had a whole bunch of crazy. But really, if
you look over the couple hundred quarter millennium of the
history of this country, it's actually the eighties and the
nineties that were probably about the beast period we've ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
And do you think and I always have this weird
sort of I don't like mc mansions for a multitude
of reasons. I'm not I listen one man with one opinion,
it doesn't matter. But the size of houses have just
gotten very, very large for the past several decades. Do
you think that it's because of low interest rates that
it had an impact on, you know, the size and

(01:50:22):
the and how much people invested in any given home.
Because if you had to pay, like exam what my
wife and I paid and we got our first home,
you probably wouldn't be looking at large and giant. You'd
be looking at something maybe a little bit more efficient
and affordable.

Speaker 17 (01:50:38):
So I'll give you this example. So this is what
happened to me in terms of when I was looking
for my first mortgage about thirty years ago, when we
were first getting settled in the mortgage loan originator and
I was working for a bank at the time, mortgage
loan originator. The discussion was about how much can I afford?
How many square feet can I buy for whatever fits
my budget. It had nothing to do nobody asked you

(01:50:59):
have kids, you plan on having kids, how many kids?
How big of a house? They said, here's what you
can afford right now, based on interest rates. And of course,
remember who's pulling the strings, who benefits The banks of
course were and this was a period of time where
we had run up to a financial crisis in two
thousand and eight based on mortgages. Banks were looking under
every stone for every last opportunity to take advantage of

(01:51:19):
the fact that people were really excited about low interest rates.
So yes, absolutely, Brian. Of course we were encouraged from
a thousand different points about just buy a bigger home
because you can afford it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
And as a financial planner, there was always like a
figure you shouldn't be spending more on x percent, more
than x percent of your annual earnings on home ownership.
Is there a figure that we can think about and
look to it as a good guidance still to this day.

Speaker 17 (01:51:46):
I mean, it's just gotten a little fuzzier because some
of the numbers that worked thirty years ago don't work anymore,
just because wages have not risen as fast as homes.
So I would go back to what I always say,
and you say this on my behalf as well, have
a plan, Understand what you can get away with, Understand
what you are responsible for in the first place. And
I would put a very heavy emphasis on your own retirement.

(01:52:07):
Focus on your own retirement, building that nest egg. Then
figure out what the mortgage payment should be. Don't focus
on the giant house the way we did in the
late nineties and early two thousands, and then worry about
your four oh one K. That's gonna work against you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Yeah, just remember the bigger than homing. Buy the more
furniture you're gonna have your bib timy bill doesn't stop
with the interest right now, It sure doesn't. I've been
to a lot of houses with a lot of empty rooms.
Don't go away We'll continue with Brian James talking about
the tariff deal. Looks like dumps. I gotta win with
European Union or is it China on the plate as well?
Plus corporate earnings are coming out this week. Or with

(01:52:40):
Brian James at Tate fifteen right now, I'll be right back.

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Another segment here with money Monday's Brian James from all
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tariff deal with the EU. We got a fifteen percent
tariff deal, many reviewing it positively, a promise of six

(01:53:06):
hundred billion dollars in investment for the European Union in
the United States over time, seven hundred and fifty billion
dollars worth of their energy purchases from the United States
over time, and apparently hundreds of billions of dollars in arms purchases,
making the military industrial complex very happy. We also had
him negotiate a deal with Japan as well, and he's

(01:53:26):
sitting down to talk with China. I guess beginning maybe today,
what's your take on the tariffs?

Speaker 17 (01:53:31):
Brian, Well, this is all good news in terms of
it answers the question. We all know that the market
and the economy really, really really super hate the unknown.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Yes, in futures.

Speaker 17 (01:53:41):
As we're talking about this right now, I think you're
doing a whole bunch of nothing. Yep, that's true. So
pretty quiet on the market and what that looks like.
The reason that's a good thing, obviously, is because it
means we're not spooked about things. A question has been answered.
So the headline is the US and EU are at
a deal now at fifteen percent tariffs on steel and aluminum,
and so that's going to prevent this larger trade war

(01:54:02):
from happening. And the threat there was that the original
Trump era tariffs were going to come back twenty five
percent on steel and ten percent aluminum, and so this
is going to replace a twenty twenty one deal that
paused the tariffs and those were going to expire anyway,
and so that this is all everybody wants to make
sure we don't have an overcapacity situation, and so we're

(01:54:25):
just out of situation where we've answered the question and
we can kind of get to move on a little bit.
That is good news. Not everybody in Europe is happy,
of course, right because you know, some of these countries
didn't have any kind of the tariffs levied against the
United States. So this is we're we're kind of taking
the first shots against them. But the US is just
throwing its weight around, and the EU at the moment

(01:54:47):
has acquiesced and conceded a decent amount of the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Well, at least it shows we still have some weight. Brian.

Speaker 17 (01:54:54):
Yeah, and that's a little bit of a relief, isn't it.
It is you know, we may have started to feel
briefly there like we may have overshot and maybe we're
a little overly confident in how much the rest of
the world has to rely on the United States. Well,
this is a couple of check marks in the good column.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Well, I know that some more think, okay, fine, fifteen
percent a lot better than fifty And I know VW
has been hit really hard, as has some others BMW,
Mercedes and other German carmakers at twenty seven and a
half percent U of tariff, so they get a little
relief from that. But what about the concept of zero
for zero?

Speaker 17 (01:55:30):
Well, I think that what do we just say, though
that doesn't throw the United States weight around, right? We
want to impose our will on the rest of the world,
you know, good, bad or in different Not everybody agrees
that this is the right approach, but that's what we
elected in November. And remember where we all where this
all started. One of the very first topics that came
up was all countries are going to start to pay
what they committed to in terms of supporting NATO and

(01:55:52):
support supporting those military alliances. This is just the next
phase of the same thing. The United States was able
to force those countries, and those were things that they
had all agreed to and simply not held up on
what they had signed off on years ago. In the
United States picked up the tab because we deemed it
more important to have that in place, and the other
countries just relied on the fact that we would step
in and they were right. So this, I think is

(01:56:12):
the tit for tat to me, this is the zero
for zero. We forced other countries to pay their share,
and this is how we're getting back on the other end.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
The earnings report. It's earning season. Was supposed to be
some earnings report coming out this week. According to the
Reuters headline, it's AI good, Artificial intelligence good everything else. Yeah,
not so much, Brian.

Speaker 17 (01:56:30):
So yeah, we had to have good runs. So the
market's up as we're sitting here about eight percent. As
we know, all that really matters. All we care about
is not what our earnings. It's whether the analysts were right.
So we always look at what the analyst said versus
what's happening. So through last Friday, one hundred and sixty
eight of our five hundred favored companies in the S
and B five hundred have reported. Eighty two percent of
them have beaten their profit in estimates, and we're about

(01:56:54):
four and a half percent over second quarter last year.
So that is all those are all good things. We're
on a good run. A lot of it, yes, is
being driven by AI, not only the companies that produce it,
but companies that are taking advantage of it and using
to using it to find new markets, create new products
and make things more efficient.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Well well, well, Brian James, question for you everybody talking
about AI AI AI AI, you know, data centers being built,
billions of dollars being spent, et cetera, et cetera. This
sounds to me like the potential for a future bubble burst.
Any comment on my thoughts along those lines.

Speaker 17 (01:57:27):
Absolutely, You know. I like to talk about catalysts all
the time, right. The catalyst in the in the late
nineties was the web itself, Yahoo and all those other
names that we've all since forgotten about. Then after that
it became real estate. After that it became the cloud.
Remember we talked talked about the cloud fifteen years and
now some we use every day. It was mobile devices
and all that. This is just the latest thing that

(01:57:48):
The best example I can give of that is is Covid.
Remember when Covid was going to kill us all and
was going to end the world. Well, no, it turned
into a boon for companies like zoom In, companies like
Dell who had to create enough stuff so that all
Worth and all the companies that we're sending employees home
could replicate desktops in the home environment. Everything that happens, good,
bad and different winds up becoming a catalyst for someone

(01:58:09):
to make a profit. And AI is no different.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
The entrepreneurial spirits live and well it's just working on
the landscape that's been working, playing the hand that's been
dealt and dealing with and coming up in new ways
to do it. That's innovation right there. Brian James, always
a pleasure to having you. I appreciate all worth loaning
you out every Monday for this segment. I hope you
have a wonderful week, my friend. I will talk to
you in seven days A twenty five ify five K
see the talk station. The retur of Rabbi ri June's

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gonna be talking about the Robling Bridge protests, which was
in support of i'mom Amon Solomon, whom ice detained and
then we had sort of a situation breakdown with people
taking over the bridge resulting in police activity. Rabbi John
on that subject and maybe even get him to comment
on the situation unfolding between Israel and Gaza. Right now,

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Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Chuck Ingram and fifty five krc BE talk station say
twenty nine fifty buck here see the talk station. Happy
to look up and see in studio Rabbi Ari June.
He's been here before to talk about some other topics,
and good to see Rabbi, welcome back. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (02:00:13):
It's nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
It's just always a pleasure engaging in the elevated conversation
with you. Have a tremendous amount of respect for you.
What you do remind my listeners your position in the
community and why it would be you here discussing this matter,
why you would comment about the Robling suspension bridge, which
we'll get to in a moment.

Speaker 16 (02:00:29):
Absolutely so. I'm a rabbi in Cincinnati. I'm the senior
rabbi of Temple Sholem, and I've been active in issues
in this community. For gosh, I'm not a real native Cincinnati,
but I've been here about fifteen years now, and there's
been this whole situation going on over the last few
weeks that started with the detention of any mom I'm

(02:00:53):
in Solomon on some immigration related issues and has sort
of taken on a life of its own, including this
protest over at the Ropeling Bridge.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Right now, I understand that people might protest ice detention
of Aiman Solomon. We're engaged in multiple protests about immigration
enforcement across this country. It's one of the biggest topics
out there politically speaking. Your perception of the detention of
i'man I'm in Solomon initially, where are you? Are you

(02:01:23):
defending him? Do you think it was an appropriate detention
before we get to what actually unfolded on the bridge
as a consequence of the.

Speaker 16 (02:01:29):
Protest, Absolutely, you know, I will to cheat ahead a
little bit. One of the things I think is really
unfortunate about this protest at the Ropeling Bridge is it
draws attention away from the actual issue, which is you know,
this question about this particular detention of imm Solomon and
immigration issues broadly. But so I'll pull back from that, right.
We're definitely going to get to that, oh, I know,

(02:01:49):
but to bring the attention to where I think it
should be. You know, I Mom Solomon. We can only
really speak with confidence I think here about who he
has been as a member of our local community. You know,
he's been in Cincinnati for years now, been working as
a chaplain at Cincinnati Children's Hospital and in our community,
which is what we can speak with confidence about. He's

(02:02:10):
been a model member of Cincinnati. You know, he's the
kind of guy who's shown up in the nick you
and working with parents who are in dire situations with
children or suffering. He has been to any member of
the Jewish community, a real ally that's good, showed up
at vigils to support Jews after October seventh, has you know,

(02:02:34):
been there with rabbis and Cincinnati who run the whole
spectrum from you know, from Reform to Orthodox and been
a real friend and partner. Doesn't mean we agree on everything.
We don't agree on everything, but that's you know, that's
part of living in a pluralistic society is you can
make friends with people with whom you have disagreements.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
So the I'm and obviously obviously not a Jewish person.
He's not a river to the Sea kind of advocate.

Speaker 16 (02:02:58):
I think he's probably a critic of Israe in many regards,
and there are Jews who make the same sort of
criticism that he makes.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
Well, I have a lot of Jewish friends who also
will make the same pass.

Speaker 16 (02:03:08):
It's okay to do that. But no, he's not the
kind of person who's looking to wipe out all the
Jews who live in Israel. One of the interesting thing
about things about his case is that he has pushed
against people trying to connect his particular situation right now,
his detention and his immigration issues. He doesn't want that
connected to the Israel Palestine debate. He's been pretty clear
about that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Well, it shouldn't be.

Speaker 16 (02:03:29):
Well, no, he's not Palestinian. First of all, he is
an Egyptian citizen who's been here on asylum. He, like
many members of our global Muslim community, has a connection
to the Palestinian community because they consider that, you know,
part of their people, so to speak. But he sees

(02:03:50):
a difference between some of these things. And yeah, he's
not a River to the Sea kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Yeah, your point is, I think too many people and
I catch myself if I find myself painting with too
broad a brush, as they say, I'll call myself out
on I wait a second, maybe I was paint with
too broad a brush. Because you happen to be Muslim
doesn't mean you hold a particular ideological perspective as it
relates to the existence of Israel, or the eradication of Israel,

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or how you feel about the Jewish people. Generally speaking,
the world's filled with opinions, and within the Muslim community
there are many varied opinions, much in the same way
you just pointed out there are many varied opinions within
the Jewish community.

Speaker 16 (02:04:28):
Absolutely, and I there's something that strange that sometimes goes
on which concerns me, which is sometimes there's this if
you're Muslim, you're presumed guilty of anti Semitism until proven otherwise.

Speaker 12 (02:04:40):
Yes, and God, I hate it.

Speaker 16 (02:04:44):
I think it's probably clear to those who know me
that I've dealt with plenty of issues of antisemitism personally
and professionally in my life. I am defensive against anti Semitism. Yes,
it does not mean that every person who's Muslim is
anti Semitic. It doesn't mean every critic of Israel is
anti Semitic. And I mom, Solomon certainly is not an
anti Semite.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
All right, Well pause right now because we're gonna take
a break. But I'm wondering what is the connection, because
Rabbi I do not understand anti Semitism. To me, it's
like racism. Why would you hate someone merely because of
who they are the race of Jewish people? You just
immediately think they're all bad and evil and they're worthy

(02:05:24):
of some sort of form of hatred that's anti Semitism.
Is there a direct correlation between this, this concept of
anti Semitism, which I perceive to be the hatred or
the antagonism or evil toward Jewish people generally speaking, or
is it based upon the existence and creation of the
State of Israel. Let's just delve on that A little

(02:05:44):
good bridge to the bridge should perfect. I'm glad you
perceive it to be that way. It's a thirty five
Rabbi Ari John in the studio will continue after these
brief words.

Speaker 5 (02:05:53):
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Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
It's Summertari jun in studio, trying to unpack the problems
of the world. We were talking about anti Semitism generally speaking.
Of course, this on the heels of i'mm Aiman Solomon's
detention by Ice. Obviously a well respected man in the community.
You mentioned some of his attributes. He's very helpful, he's
a bridge crosser, he reaches across the aisle, works well
with the Jewish community and other communities. Has done some

(02:06:18):
great work. So before we get to his trials and tribulations,
addressing my question mark, because as I say that, I
don't understand the hatred of a person for merely being
of a particular race, and so I can't hate you
for being a Jew, just in and of itself. There
are people out in the world who hate black people
just because they're black. That makes no sense to me either.

(02:06:39):
You know, I'm like a you know, I never met
a man I didn't like kind of guy, which is
sort of you got to take the time to know
somebody before you're allowed to draw conclusions. And because all
these different people exist across broad political sUAS within any
given community, I can't draw a conclusion. It wouldn't be
fair for me to do so. But I'm kind of
curious to know if this concept of anti Semitism has

(02:07:01):
more of a connection with the creation of Israel as
a state, in the displacement of the Palestinian people or
anybody else that got this place when Israel was created
in what nineteen four or nineteen forty seven. So do
you see that as being a sort of a blurred
line or maybe a problematic area.

Speaker 16 (02:07:17):
There's an intersection, no question. Look, anti Semitism has been
around for literally thousands of years. People call it the
oldest form of hate. You know, in our Western context,
a lot of people think of the Holocaust as being
like the start of antisemitism or something anything. But I mean,
there have been thousands and thousands of years of people
attacking Jews because of their identity. And what's unique about

(02:07:40):
anti Semitism, a form of hate, is that it tends
to mutate throughout history. So generally speaking, in history, people
will target Jews for whatever the perceived gravest evil of
the time is. So, if capitalism is bad, Jews or
the capitalists. If communism's bad, Jews are the communists? You
name it. So in the present day, when you know

(02:08:01):
ethnic nationalism trends are perceived as evil, Jews must be
the colonialist, nationalist, whatever group that's most evil in the world.
So Israel's connected to it, no question. But Israel's more
of an excuse than the impetus.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
Right because it has been around for a long time.
Let's face it, the Holocaust came about as a consequence
of Jews getting the blame for the poor economic conditions
in Germany. That was an extension of the thousand plus
years of Jews being blamed for any other economic calamity
or any other problem in the world. How is it
they became a target. How is it that that was
a default group? Is it because of the you represent

(02:08:40):
a minority status in the world in terms of global population.

Speaker 16 (02:08:44):
So the minority status thing is a huge part of it.
I think also, Jews have, in different societies for the
last two thousand years, been a minority who was a
homeless group, so to speak. Right until the creation of Israel,
from you know, the year seventy ce nil nineteen forty eight,
Jews were existing independently of their own homeland, moving from

(02:09:06):
place to place as a tiny minority, pretty easy to
pick off and scapegoat and target. You layer on top
of that religious differences intentions that existed between Christianity and
Islam and Judaism, and you've got the recipe for all
sorts of disaster well.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
And in that context, you know, people who of like
minds tend to dwell together. I mean, it makes perfect sense.
If you're of the same religion, you're the same race,
and you don't have a land that you can call
your own, you're going to congregate in your own community
in any given country. That just makes perfect sense. But
you've also proven to be demonstrably successful. And I mean

(02:09:40):
I know from my discussions with my Jewish friends and
correct me if I'm wrong. You look out for each other.
You're part of that family of Jewish people, you help
each other in business perspectives, you elevate your fellow jew
And I mean, and because it is I suppose a
race predicated thing. There are people who are not of

(02:10:01):
the Jewish race Sammy Davis Junior, who can become Jews
by way of religion. It's a very difficult road to hoe.
But there's the sense of the race being a component
of being part of the Jewish faith as well, is
there not?

Speaker 16 (02:10:13):
Absolutely so? The technical word for it is it's an
ethno religious group. It's that combination of ethnicity and religion.
And we do as a Jewish people, we try to
take care of one another. Yeah, I mean, I don't
only care about Jewish people. I know a lot of
people beyond the community. But but yeah, you take care
of your family. That's that's a value in our community.

(02:10:35):
And that's been used against us, of course also at
plenty of times that because we take care of ourselves,
there must be something wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
Well, and the insular sort of perception of that is, oh,
look at that. You know, they're not letting Themboddy in.
You know, I want to slice of that action. Well,
you know, it's it's not that easy. Of a challenge
to overcome. Yes, you can become a member of the
Jewish faith, but I can't become a black person just
I mean because of by virtue of who I am

(02:11:03):
and where I was born and where I came from.

Speaker 16 (02:11:05):
No, I mean, there's something, like I said, a little
bit unique about that Jewish identity that you can become
Jewish even if you're not originally part of the ethnic group,
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Rabbi Jim, We're gonna pause, take a minute early break,
because we're gonna dive on into what the how the
situation unfolded and the Rabbi's comments about the tragic nature
of how it unfolded, because it did take away from
the focus of the protests, which was the treatment of
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Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Hey forty seven, Come up any forty eight fifty five
KRC DE Talk station Braving Bryan Thomas here with Rabbi
Ri John. He wrote an op ed piece in the
Cincinna Inquired the other day. UH robling Bridge protest turned violent,
overshadowed cause. Rabbit and I already talked about the cause,
which was the iced detention of local imum Aimon Solimon
by all counts, you know, the i've seen you great

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citizen benefit to the community of the bridge builder, et cetera.
But things went awry at the protests. The bridge was
taken over and closed down, which then resulted in the
police apartment showing up. Brab Ai, Your take on that,
because that's all I remember. If you'd ask me before
our conversation today what the Roblin Bridge shutdown was all about,

(02:13:22):
I wouldn't have been able to remember.

Speaker 4 (02:13:24):
No.

Speaker 16 (02:13:24):
I mean, people don't have any clue what the cause is.
It's the spectacle. This was so predictable of a bad situation.
That's part of what frustrates me about it, which is
that I you know, there were rumblings early on that
the goal here was to block the bridge. I think
was the exact phrase folks were using. And I did

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a little bit of digging on my own to try
to see has anyone pulled a permit as this sanction?
What's the plan here? And I wasn't able to find
any any evidence one way or another, and that to
me was a red flag enough that but I came
to the vigil where faith leaders had gathered before the
folks walked onto the bridge, and I decided I wasn't

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going on the bridge myself.

Speaker 1 (02:14:09):
I kind of expect that of you, knowing you as
I do, I try to be reasonable.

Speaker 16 (02:14:14):
But look, even before people got onto the bridge, it
was already a mess. You know, you had people who
had been organizing, who are wearing high vis vests and
blocking traffic and things like that, no police to be seen.
So these were just you know, the burrier's entry was
who can afford a high vis? Vest on Amazon? And
it's a recipe for disaster. One of the things about

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this that I think makes it pretty striking is that,
you know, some situations, everyone messed up. And actually, I'll
leave one group out. CINCINNATIPD did a fabulous job of managing,
you know, trying to restore traffic and you know, stop
people from blocking a bridge, which is an act of
civil disobedience and they have a right to try to
stop and and dealing with the protesters effectively. But the

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conflict between Covington PD and the protesters was awful. One
of those officers from Covington PD has been placed on leave,
I believe since because of the concerns about what came out.
And as someone who was there when people started coming
off of the bridge, I had a fellow clergy member
who got back after being in the midst of all

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of the conflict, and he didn't know what was about
to happen. He had been suckered into it, like a
lot of people had been kind of co opted who
just thought they were there to demonstrate properly. They figured,
you know, permits had been polled or whatever planning was
supposed to have happened had happened. So my clergy friend,
who you know's wearing his Roman collar and everything. So
the police didn't do anything to him, but he showed

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me a video right after the fact that he took
on his phone and I was I was appalled by
what I saw. Meanwhile, you know, the people trying to
block the bridge, it's responsible, it's reckless to pull people
into a cause that they don't understand fully and they
don't know the risks of you got to give people
the you know, the information to consent to that kind

(02:16:10):
of thing you're engage.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Yeah, it's almost an incitement to mob violence. You know,
most people went there to do a peaceful protest. The vigil,
they supported this IMOM. That was the only message they
wanted to get across. Then when you invade the bridge space,
you take over the bridge, you block traffic, obviously engaging
in a crime. But I would it sounds to me

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like the protest was invaded. And I've seen these organized agitators.
I mean they're all over in every instance. You know,
they're all dressed the same. Sometimes they're funded by outside organizations.
But it's as if and perhaps the motive is to
invite police over reaction. That's the image they want to

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show and project to the rest of the world. Has
nothing to do with the condition of the IMOM, has
everything to do with the police. And look at the
brutality that has been on unleashed, that's the visual moment
they want.

Speaker 16 (02:17:02):
I think that there is a good chance of that
that they were looking for the escalation, And like I said,
both groups probably are responsible here. Covington PD probably could
have handled this without as much escalation as occurred, and
the protesters weren't upset to have escalation. I mean, I
doubt they wanted to be injured in the way that
they were injured. They probably didn't enjoy it, but they
got the you know, they got the social media videos

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that they probably were looking to create out of it.
So who loses all of the reasonable people who want
to see attention brought to a case that matters. Look,
I'm not opposed to civil disobedience within the right parameters.
You can choose to shut down a bridge, but their
consequences that are going to happen, and people need to

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know what the consequences they've signed up for are.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
But if they want to shut the bridge down, they
have to understand that that is going to invite perhaps
a reaction they don't want. This is no longer about
discussing the issues and ICE's tree of the Imom. It's
about people reacting to the bridge being shut down. So
you might have some otherwise sympathetic people to your message,
but then we all get pissed off when roads are

(02:18:10):
shut down and the traffic's backed up, and we hear
about the EMS vehicle who couldn't get through with the
you know, the the close to death injured victim, and
all these horror stories come out.

Speaker 16 (02:18:19):
No, I think you use the word infiltrators. And you
have these these bad actors. They try to take over
other causes and they turn people off. Yes, and I
have no patience for it. I don't think any of
us should have patients for people who try to take
what should be a peaceful setting and turn it into
a side shit of good attention for their own thing.

Speaker 1 (02:18:37):
Yeah, and I really do believe that's what's going on,
and it's a widespread reality. And let's face it ain't
nothing like social media to bring that reality up very easily.
You put en us posts out there, somebody's going to
show up right.

Speaker 16 (02:18:49):
One hundred percent. And this is an example of that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
Red by Ari John. It is such a pleasure having
you in studio to talk about this, and you know,
I mean it's a message for all groups out there.
If you're going to organize some activities, you need to
be painfully aware that you might have some of these
outside agitators come in and ruin the point of your message.
You need to be calm, cool and collected and don't
follow the quote unquote heard into the street if that's

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not what you're about. If you want to engage in
that type of protest, recognize there are going to be consequences,
but in the final analysis, it's probably not going to
do your message any good.

Speaker 16 (02:19:21):
Eyes on the price. You got to do what you've
said out to do strategically. In this case, it's bringing
attention to this mom and the detention that he's facing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:29):
Rabbi, always a pleasure to see you and talk to you,
and I hope to have you in and again on
maybe perhaps some other topics. I know there's luck going
on in the world that you're involved with, and you
always have a spot here. On the fifty five Cassee
Morning Show this morning, Ken Cober, FLP President on the
violence downtown over the weekend, tragic and awful. That was
Christopher Smith Aman on the same topic. Boy, he was

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