55KRC Wednesday Show - Jack Atherton, AFP, Marc Dann, Judge Napolitano

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Five oh five. I think five KRC the talk station.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Happy Wednesday, all Kenny Loggins, because you're in the danger zone.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, apparently, since An is in the danger zone so
much so that the ATF is offering twenty five hundred
dollars cash rewards for helping police arrest violent offenders. How
about that Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives
gets Cincinnati on its radar with its offer of rewards
for local crime. Interesting and scary reality that, of course,

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has been the topic of conversation of late here in
the fifty five.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
KRC Morning Show.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
We got a problem with violence in downtown Cincinnati, and
our elected officials are ignoring it, least in so far
as any comments in the news or you know, maybe
just a suggest that they might want to support this
insane police department. Anyway, don't let's not beat that dead horse.
But that's a reality. We'll talk about that this morning.
Coming up seven oh five, It's Wednesday Big Picture with

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Jack Avidan today. Trump and Churchill love Jack's historic sort
of connection with history and modern times. Just a brilliant man.
I always enjoy having him on the morning show. And
we'll get him back at seven five Donovan and Neil
Americans for Prosperity. Of course, Ohio lawmakers passed the budget,
but Mike de Wine overrode a lot of things with

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the Lion item veto Now Ohio while lawmakers is set
to override some of those vetos. Donovan and Neil behind
that effort with Americans for Prosperity, we'll be talking about
their efforts to override the property tax County Budget Commission
authority and procedure veto the twenty mili floor calculation and
the school district property tax levy restrictions. Mark dan who

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is Mark Dan, Mark Dan's lawyer. Mark Dann is the
founding partner of Dan Law and they have filed a
law suits again at Ohio. Going back to the budget
about the Browns Stadium funding stealing money from the unclaimed funds.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
We all found out that we have four point five
plus billion dollars in unclaimed funds. These are you know,
bank accounts that are closed and settlements and things that
people didn't actually pursue, and it exists in a fund
held for the benefit of those people who are entitled
to the to the fund money.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
And yet our good friends.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Elected officials and Columbus decided to raid that to give
the Cleveland Browns six hundred million dollars. Well, now it's
the subject of a lawsuit. Mark Dan founding partner of
Dan Law, behind the lawsuit. We joined the program at
eight oh five to talk about that. Judge Napolitano on
searching for Monsters that will happen at eight thirty and
between now and then you can feel free to call
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hundred and eighty two to three talk pound five fifty
on AT and T phones. Not knowing where I wanted
to start this morning. It's not of like a mixed
bag of stuff. Whish you could see my desk right now.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
The topics of discussion are far and wide. Heyay, well
they's just focused real quickly here on our conversation with
Mark Dan coming up. Lawsuit filed by the Dan Law
Lakewood Firms seeking class action status on behalf of the
thousands of Ohioans that have or may have money in
that unclaimed funds account. I guess you can call it

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that found in Franklin County comme a police court alleges
that taking money from the unclaimed funds for stadium violates
the state's role as a custodian and runs a foul
of both the US and Ohio constitutions. Court to lawsuit,
the state now intends to confiscate the private property held
on the Unclaimed Funds account for the purpose of funding

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private development. The private the rightful owners of the property.
State intends to do so even though it has been
long settled to the funds held by the State of
Ohio and its Unclaimed Funds Account are private property, says
the unclaim Funds account is not the property of the
State of Ohio to use as it deems fit. Moreover,

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unclaimed funds are not the property described as operating revenue
or a component of the state's general fund to be
appropriated as part of the state's budget, which makes sense,
although I think the budget transforms the unclaimed property Unclaimed
Funds account into something that is usable after the funds

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remain unclaimed after ten years. So was there a change
of law that will allow access to these funds as
are being used in the state's budget proposal with the
six hundred million going to the Cleveland Browns. I personally
find the concept defensive or not, it's legal or not.
That's what the lawsuits all about.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Described as not a surprise apparently last month after Republican
members of the Ohio Senate provided a pivot to unclaimed
funds as a way to provide that money to the
Brown Stadium away from borrowing the money, which that's a
dumb concept.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Again, we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Private owned stadium here, we're talking about private owned sports team.
They were gonna, I mean the idea that originally under
the first proposal out of the Republicans in the House,
they were going to borrow six hundred million dollars and
then pay debt service on it, bringing the grand total
with interest payments to more than a billion dollars to

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give to the Browns. Talk about stupid anyway, pivoting over
to using unclaimed funds. At least it's a pile of
money that was untapped. Okay, well, why not just take
it from there. At least we're not going to have
to pay debt service on it. It makes but is it
lawful to do that? And that's not even discussing the

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ethics and the morality and the propriety of doing that anyway,
and the silence is deafening. How is it that they
were able to leverage the Browns were able to leverage
that much influence over elected officials that come from the
entire state of Ohio to get that component approved in
the budget. Waw Anyway. The attorneys that are behind this

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former state Representative Jeff Grossman and former Ohio Attorney General
Mark Dan Dan Law is the name of the firm.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
They're both Democrats.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
They've sued the Ohio Department of Commerce, ahead of the
State's Division of Unclaimed Funds, the State Treasurer, and the
executive director of the How Facilities Construction Commission, those of
the defendants. There's four point eight billion dollars in that fund,
old bank accounts, uncashed checks, life life insurance payouts, and

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other sources. Joe Strecker tapped into the fund the other day.
He was how much did you get? Was it seventy
five bucks?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Joe? Less than twenty? But there it was.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Language in the Ohio's newly approved to your operating budget
changes the way Ohio safeguards is unclaimed funds. This is
what I was pointing to a change in the law.
Previously it had to be held there which I guess
is how it ended up being four point eight billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It just keeps getting.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Bigger and bigger and bigger every year because they couldn't
use it for any other purpose. Until now, the state
held the missing money in perpetuity while using some of
it to plug budget holes and give short term loans
to affordable housing developers, in the same way banks use
your deposits to make loans while keeping a certain amount

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of cash on hand. But going forward, people who will
only have ten years to file claims, and after that
the unclaimed funds, along with interest earned, become the states property,
which is the argument I suppose the folks behind the
budget would use, say, listen, we changed the law. Money's
been laying around more than ten years. We're entitled to
use it for whatever purpose we want. Then you can

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move over to whether it's right, ethical, honorable, moral appropriate
to give some private stadium owner or a football team
owner the money that is well from this general fund,
this unclaimed fund pile. I don't care whether it comes
from the general fund or the unclaimed funds pile, or
whether it's from a borrowing doing. It is wrong. You're

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never going to commitce me otherwise. Apparently, the budget that
was by the Republican lawmakers and signed by DeWine creates
a grace period for people whose money gets taken by

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the state. They'll still be able to file claims through
January first of twenty third six. Nonetheless, in the lawsuit,
they argue the state isn't doing anywhere near enough to
reunite people with their money. They're also asserting that Ohio
is preparing to use the public's misplaced cash for what

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is fundamentally a private purpose to the benefit of an
NFL team exactly, and we should have more and more
arguments about whether this is appropriate or not. Apparently, the
lawmakers in the in the budget earmarked one dollars a
year for advertising and outreach about the unclaimed funds. In

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other words, you're probably going to see advertising, maybe a
commercial while you're watching Wheel of Fortune or something saying, hey,
do you realize we've got four point eight billion dollars
in unclaimed funds? Could be you you may have a
slice of the action. Please get in touch with the
unclaimed funds and find out if you're eligible to get
some of this money. And honestly, did anybody know that

(10:02):
we had this four point eight billion dollar pile of
money prior to the idea of giving it to the
Browns or giving a chunk of it to the Browns
and the budget, they might know it was even out there.
I guess that's part of the ad campaign. It's part
of the lawsuit too. You know, nobody knows it's even there.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
By the way, you've got money in a fund in Ohio.
You might want to look into it and see if
some of it is actually yours or if you qualify
to get some of this money. Anyhow, I'm looking forward
to talking to him about it. I'm sure he's as
incensed as I am about the concept, but whether or
not his lawsuit will have legs remains to be seen.

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Over to the phones we go. It's what Jay's got
this morning. Jay, good to hear from me, as always, welcome.

Speaker 7 (13:26):
Good morning, Brian Hay.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
That is fantastic news that there's a lawsuit coming against
this Brown Steel.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
The the interesting thing is how the Republican Party in
Columbus has turned into like the Democrat Party in Chicago,
just full of corruption and payoff. And you know, I
keep going back to Larry Householder, former Sticker of the
house took money from a private business called First Energy
to build.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
A new plant, and I think he's in jail. Matt
Huffman took.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
Money from a private business called the Cleveland Browns, and
I think he's living large.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
He might be getting a.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
Little bit nervous, but you know, I would like to
see Huffman head to prison. I would like to see
Dave Yost getting peached along with the wine. We don't
need an attorney general. If an attorney general, all he
can do is I heard on the news that maybe
from your show, that he told the wine to to
to veto the money going to the Browns, and then

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the wine probably laughed at him and continue to go.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Forward with it.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
And then I guess at that point Dave Yosk decided not.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
To follow the Ohio.

Speaker 8 (14:30):
Constitution and protect the Ohio taxpayers. Uh, you know, politically
for him, let's let's let's give him a little air cover.
It's a little it's easier so to to just ignore it.
So if this is successful and and I guess the
lawsuit will determined whether it is constitution or not. But
if they find out that this was illegal, then we

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really don't need an Ohio Attorney General's office. It's going
to do nothing other than follow the governor like a lapdog.
And there I hope that this the accountability on this
and the the publicity and the amount of coverage from
the press equals that of First Energy and Larry Householder,
because I don't think there's a dime's worth of difference.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, I appreciate your conclusion in that regard. I mean
that's why I am generally in I mean, since over
the general concept. Given the Cleveland Browns the money, they're
private sports entity, they're privately owned. I mean, you know, Jay,
if you owned a company, do you expect in the
budget that the taxpayers of the state of Ohio would
be providing your company with a cash infusion.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, I think the obvious you do own a company.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Yeah, I do own a company. And what I've said
is they're going to do this for one private business. Yeah,
then they need to codify it in the law. So
how do the rest of us sign up and get
our six hundred million dollars?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Start a line to be wrapped around multiple blocks, street
blocks in Columbus. People standing around and they're private businesses
with their handout saying, Hey, what am I any different
than the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
No, give my money. It's a ridiculous concept.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
Good and again, what does the state get from it?
We've we've been giving money to the Cleveland Browns for
seventy years and I'll say it again, Cleveland is still
a dump and that's based on that's based on business development,
how much economic development is going on. There's five categories
of economic development. Cleveland and Northeast Ohio is always in

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the bottom. Youngstown is the perennial last, and out of
the top two hundred metro areas, Cleveland is always in
the bottom ten. Well, so where's the retirement investment?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I agree with you general, I'm not going to say
it's a dump, But it doesn't matter whether it's a
dump or a wildly successful city being run efficiently and
it is prosperous, it still doesn't address the point of
why is it a private sports entity is entitled to
any money from the State of Ohio, most notably in
a line item in a budget.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's just it's great. It's just wrong, period.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Agreed.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
They're going to use the excuse that it's going to
create economic development, I know, and prosperity. That's that's why
I'm deflating that balloon, because it's had They've had seventy
years to show that that to show that proof, and
they've failed.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Right as I make obscene hand gestures while listening to
that argument, right, you know, I mean, sure it is.
We all realize and I think most people know that
the return on investment that they claim is brought about
by these sports activities is nowhere near what they claim
it to be. Uh Yeah, frustrating, Jay and yeah here
as we part company. It was reported about Attorney General

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Dave Gyhost Ghost on June twenty seven cent a letter
to the wine to veto that budget. Languageost echoing concerns
of the national unclaimed property experts, who say that taking
ownership of unclaimed funds after a decade will make Ohio
a national outlier and be bad public policy. Yes, although
he didn't weigh on legal issues anyway. He wrote to

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the governor billionaires should finance their own stadiums full stop.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
The six hundred million dollar handoff for a single professional
sports facility raises serious concerns about the fiscal sustainability and fairness.
While public private partnerships can sometimes support community development, this
provision risk prioritizing one private entity over more urgent state
wide needs. Exactly the point I'm making. Yost made to
the governor, But he didn't say, Governor, you must line

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on and vito this because ultimately it's going to be
challenged in court and it will be deemed illegal for
the following reasons and then breaking down a legal point
or thing, which is what I think his role as
the Attorney General is supposed to do. Anyway, he was
just offering his policy comments, which are the comments that
you and I are making so well. I'm looking forward
to having the lawyer behind the lawsuit on the program.

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Maybe he can address the legal realities of it, since
they purportedly changed the law allowing them access and their
sticky fingers access to this money if it's unclaimed after
ten years.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Appreciate it, Jay.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
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Five thirty one on a Wednesday, and Happy Wednesday to listener.
Lunch Wandering Monsters Brewery, beach Moont Avenue. Before I jump
to the phones real quick, here, hold on a moment, Tom,
Thank you Chip who called the the Browns funding a
six hundred million dollar ad campaign because Chip now became
aware that there were unclaimed funds and he took advantage
of it, netting him north of two hundred dollars. Kind

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of liked it. Good job, Chip. And then there's my
submariner friend Cribbage Mike, who I will see today at
listener lunch. He pointed out on the heels of Jay's call.
Cleveland Brown's Stadium was first Energy Stadium, that is, until
Larry Householders scam blew it all up. It's now Huntingdon
bank Field. That's funny connecting those two well scandals over

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the phone. Tom, thanks for holding Welcome to the program.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
Sounds like chips buying lunch today, I thought so. And
I really appreciate Jay. I don't know if he gets
enough kudos, but he always comes with a lot of information.
He does, and I personally thank him very much for
doing research and then getting on here and letting us

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all lett us all know about it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So yeah, he's a man. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
This is why I enjoy having the callers call up,
because quite often you guys are armed with a hell
of a lot more information than I am. I can't
be responsible for knowing everything about everything out there. I
don't and I never will claim that I do, which
is again, I've got the best listening audience in radio
because they're smart people out there, right.

Speaker 9 (21:49):
I agree with that. The reason I called is that
I have We've all noticed this, I'm sure, but I
wanted to highlight it again one of the main differences
between the two parties. And believe me as we as
we listen to Jay talk about stuff of the high
Republican party, Republicans are no angels. They have their own

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whole whole bunch of problems that they need to we
I mean, this whole thing would have a big pot
of money for people to get their hands into. That's
that's a problem for both sides, not just for one. Yeah,
got to do something about it. But when we're having
a discussion, when when it comes to the national discourse
of issues, uh, it is it is very obvious that

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the Democrats don't have anything of substance to to say
or to argue against any points or to prove any
points that they have. All they have is is shouting
and yelling and guilt tripping and in calling and and
they got nothing. They can't argue against it. They just
want to cancel you. And oh, you must you must

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hate people because you're not willing to let them do
this or whatever, willing to let them have this. And
you know that they get.

Speaker 10 (23:03):
Real upset when you start having a problem with but
you know, people who are breaking laws and their criminals. Well,
who are you here to defend? What's more important to
you the actual law inviting American people or or people
that are from this country or breaking the laws. It

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seems pretty obvious to me. And every time you pull
up a story and you and you listen to stuff
and you get comments from both sides, it's just clear
as day that that you know the rightness. You know,
we've got a lot of people are armed with information
they got, we got facts and here's why your your
idea is wrong. And I'm gonna tell voters that that

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have been voting Democrat, you're you're ignorant, you're being lied to,
and that ignorance just you don't have information. We're trying
to get you to understand something. And please listen to
what what people are telling you. Listen to what Jay
is saying, you know, and listen to the different callers
and listen to listen to you with the information that
we got the different guests you have. It's not about,

(24:08):
you know, trying to shut you down and and and
get you the cower in a corner and we're going to.

Speaker 9 (24:13):
Do something for you unless you shut up. It's about
here's some information, Uh, and the biggest piece of information
that I can give any of you is don't vote Democrat.
Have a great day.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Brat thanks Tom. Always wait till he's going to get
to that conclusion. Yeah, you got to remember, if you
don't embrace the tenants of Marxism, then they're going to
yell and scream at you taking other people's money and
giving it for giving it to anyone else. That's what
their entire premise is based on. Wealth redistribution, and the
criminal component of it is. Their argument is, well, it's

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just upholding and preserving an inherently corrupt system. This is
why they want to undermine law enforcement. Oh, it's colonialism.
This is law enforcement is merely a wing and arm
of the colonial you white man's infrastructure or whatever.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
They speak in psychobabble, But in the final analysis, what
they want to do is take all of your money,
your labor, and then decide where it's going to go
themselves in the name of I don't know, equity or
helping those under privilege who've missed out on whatever. But
that's what it's all about. That's their political philosophy, and

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they can't logically support it because it's failed epically wherever
it's been tried. When you take away the incentive for
hard work, which is moving up the ladder, keeping what
you earned, providing you incentive to earn more, earn more,
earn more, you're not earning more. Under their system of government.

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You are always going to be at the lowest rung
of the ladder, along with every other human being, with
the exception of those in the political class. It's indefensible.
That's why you're met with violence and anger and dosing
and screaming and yelling as opposed to a coherent logical argument.
Because if they present it under Marxist theory, from each

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according his ability, each courting to his need, it begins
to fall apart the minute you put it under some
measure of analysis, historical analysis, or just logic and reason.

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current mayor would be. When there was such a wonderful
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so much of Adam Kaylor. They got ideas they want
to implement these new ideas. He lives in the West End,

(28:30):
he just had his fourth child, he runs a coffee shop.
He's serving his community as a preacher. You know, so
when you can can compare and contrast that whereas you
got Aftam, who's a designer suit a two hundred dollars haircut,
and a flashy smile. He is more suited for selling
time shares in Orlando, Florida than being mayor of a
metropolitan city. I had probably the best commanding officer I

(28:53):
had was aboard my second submarine, and he had a
quote in his state room from an Army four star general.
You may have heard of him, General Joy Patent, and
in bold letters it said, lead, follow, or get the
hell out of the way. I wish af Tad would
take the ladder because you just look within the last
seven months where he has had a chance. He doesn't
have a leadership bone in his body. First of the

(29:14):
had the big backbridge fire and traffic was small for
two months, where was he nowhere? Then you had Snowmageddin.
You know, I'm not saying he should be out there
driving a snowplow, but get the people who then fix
the problem, or at least get on the air and
talk to the people. And now we have the crime
situation that's totally out of control. And in closing. About

(29:34):
two weeks ago, I saw the fiftieth anniversary of The
Moothly Jaws, and if you remember that famous scene when
the mother loses a little boy who was on that
yellow raft. Yeah, and she slaps Sheriff Brody in the face. Well,
I think that mother of that fourteen year old up
in Avondale could say the same thing. Mayor Pureval, you
knew what was out there and you did nothing good point.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I mean, honestly, Mike, and I was so shocked to
read this morning the Bureau of Alcohol back on firearms,
offering now cash rewards for information leading to the arrest
of violent offenders in Cincinnati. How is it that we,
the city of Cincinnati, landed on alcohol to back on
firearms radar. I guess things have gotten pretty bad that
they're now offering, you know, federal dollars for rewards.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's crazy, it's out of control.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I mean, I could definitely see I think it was
a caller or maybe you have mentioned it that we
almost qualify to maybe have the Ohio National Guard here.
I mean, it's not a riot stuff like that, But
when every day you turn it on and those are
the ones that are just getting reported, I would love
to see what police chiefs Figi sees every morning.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
From shot spotter.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well, yeah, there's that, but then there's also this just
the stark reality that all of the not all of
the crime that the police department encounters is even put
on some sort of data list or or or list
of activity, because they just don't go through with arrests.
I mean, it's a pointless gesture to arrest someone for

(30:59):
a few violation or minor offense because they're just going
to get let right out on the street. So don't
bother going after it, don't bother reporting it, and that
helps keep the crime statistics lower than they actually are,
as high as they are anyway. Look forward to launch
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And I don't know that the train, the Kunk Train,
is on rails or it's just sort of like buses
that are linked together. But it's a tourist kind of thing.
In Key West Parallel July Worth, one of the trains
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Employees said the man that arrived at the depot claimed
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(33:32):
rest report quote with rock music playing on the radio
close quote. The band was not identified. The joy ride
didn't last long, apparently just long enough for him to
pick up two random passengers who probably didn't realize that
the Conk train conductor was not authorized to be driving
the Conk train.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Police said.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
At some point Winslow left the train, which was located
without incident. They soon located Winslow, who was reportedly excited
and speaking very rapidly hint raising. Officers informed him that
he will be facing charges for taking the Conk train,
and he reportedly said he had just borrowed it, pointing

(34:12):
out that today was his birthday, justifying the stealing of
the train cord to the rest report. Police were unmoved
by that information took him to jail. While being surged,
they found what they said was a meth amphetamine pipe.
He claimed it was a weed pipe.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
The residue tends to negate what his claim was anyway.
Charged with burglary, theft, misdemeanor possession of drug equipment, held
to Monroe County Jail on a sixty thousand dollars bond.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Theriot Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
California woman allegedly left her two baby boys in a
hot car while she went in to get lip filler.
Maya Hernandez, twenty years old, pleaded not guilty to one
kind of manslaughter two counts of wilful according to a
child during her court appearance. Remains in custody at the
current County jail. More than a million dollars bail court

(35:07):
of the criminal complaint obtained by local news, she brought
her two sons, an unnamed two year old boy and
one year old named Amelio who can be named because
he's dead, with her to the appointment at a medical
spa in Bakersfield. Police said while she was she filled
out paperwork and underwent a lip filler procedure, leaving her
two boys in the car as temperatures climb into triple digits.

(35:30):
Despite calling the facility that morning and asking if she
would be able to bring her two children inside with her,
the spa told her sure, if you don't mind them
waiting in the waiting room. Instead, she left the boys
in the car in their car seats. The car was locked.

(35:51):
Courting to the criminal complaint, the procedure Hernandez was getting
only took about fifteen to twenty minutes. However, according to
the employees the medical spa spoke with the police, it
was busy on the day she had them, and she
was away from her car for approximately two and a
half hours. During that time, she never checked on either children.
She later told police she thought her boys would be

(36:11):
okay because she left the air conditioning on.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Rye Court.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
To the expert quote and the criminal complaint to spoke
with Bakefield police, the car's engine was designed to shut
itself off after an hour. When the boys were found,
the car was hot inside. Please believe the boys were
in the car without air conditioning for about an hour.
An hour and a half. The air temperature that day
reportedly one hundred and one degrees, obviously hotter in the car.
When she finally returned to her car at four point

(36:39):
thirty in the afternoon after getting her lips done, she
found Emilio foaming at the mouth and having a seizure.
Employees the medical style rushed out to help and brought
the two year old boy inside to cool him down.
Police showed up fifteen minutes later. Emilio body temperature one
hundred and seven degrees, brought to the hospital area, was
pronounced dead at five forty eight pm. The other child

(37:02):
was later put in child protective custody uh accord to
the go Fundy page, which of course they had the
boy's father currently incarcerated. Criminal complaints stated when Hernandez was
told that her younger son was dead, she quote admitted
that she knew it was irresponsible to leave their kids
in the car, and she thought about it when she
got out to the car, but had no justification as

(37:25):
to why she left them anyway.

Speaker 11 (37:29):
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There's no bigger douche than you. You've reached the top,
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Speaker 1 (37:44):
Good going, douce. Your dreams have come true.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
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We'll tell you more at the top of the hour
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Fifty five kr C the Talk Station. Happy Wednesday to you,
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(38:58):
his subject matter today, Trump and Chill followed by Donovan
and Neil Americans for prosperity, of course, pushing our Ohio
elected officials to override Mike DeWine's vetos in the budget.
Not included in the three items that they wanted to
override is the six hundred million dollars going to the

(39:18):
Cleveland Browns. Maybe you'll have to give Donovan an earful
for that one. But property tax related issues, the twenty
mili floor calculation and school district property tax levy restrictions
all the vetos that Dwine made that would have helped
us deal with our property taxes. Fast forward eight oh five,
I launched the show with this one, Mark Dan founding

(39:40):
partner of the law firm Dan Law. They have filed
a lawsuit against multiple officials in the state of Ohio
based on the Browns stadium funding six hundred million dollars
coming out of the unclaimed funds, which we all just
found out about because the Browns are getting money out
of it. So go ahead and check and see if
you're eligible for money out of the unclaimed fund beca
because apparently the laws change, which according to the budget,

(40:03):
they're allowed to take that money if you don't claim
it within ten years. That the Dan Law firm says
is well illegal, So they're challenging that. I hope they win.
Brown's go find your own damn money period. Anyway, going

(40:23):
back to the violence generally speaking and the sort of
downward spy we feel like we're in in this country,
We've got a lot of violence locally speaking. I've been
talking about that with our with some folks of late
Christopher Smithman and Corey Bowman most notably. But you got
to remember the Marxists love when the state, whether it's

(40:44):
local police department, you have the National Guard. Think of
Kent's stay, for example, and the tragedy regarding those four
people who were shot and gunned down for protesting not
exactly a real great milestone in American history. You think
of George Floyd, for example, using something like that as

(41:06):
a vehicle to attack the institution. They love doing that.
You want to identify and and and point to the
state as the problem. They're the evil force. They're the
jack booted thugs. They're the ones there that are oppressing us.
They're the ones that use law enforcement as a means
to uphold the white colonial estate or whatever Marxist blather

(41:30):
they're They're there, their spu spewing out, but they want
to undermine that law enforcement. Generally, it's one of the
components of defund the police. And when they can't win elections,
they're going to turn to violence. And that's something that
Byron Yorke wrote about the other day. He's in an

(41:50):
op ed piece on this, and he's not alone in
his conclusions, but I wanted to point it out because
you know, it's kind of a lustrative of a broader
problem we're facing now. They can't when election Donald Trump
got elected, over all of the I mean, in the
face of the most outrageous onslaught that I am aware

(42:11):
of in my lifetime against the politician, he still managed
to overcome and win the popular vote. They were praying
to God he wouldn't win the popular vote even if
he won the electoral college. They were hoping to use
that as a means to undermine the concept of the
electoral college. Oh my god, you know, Kamala Harris won
the popular won the majority of the vote, and yet
Donald Trump got the electoral college. This is all wrong.

(42:33):
Let's get rid of it. That didn't happen. What did
Donald Trump campaign on all the things that he's delivering on,
including shutting down the southern border and rounding up illegal
immigrants and deporting them from our country. That is what
is popular in our country, and it's blowing the minds
of the leftists in this country, like, oh my god,

(42:54):
our messaging didn't work. So what do you do? You
turn to violence? Is New York Rights and I will read.
We know many Democrats were stunned when Donald Trump wanted
a second term as president. We know many are still
angry about it, but we're just now learning how angry
some of them are. It's not just grand standing Democratic
lawmakers like Representative Jasmine Crockett of Texas. Axios reports that

(43:16):
quote all at town halls in their districts and in
one on one meetings with constituents and activist close quote
Crockett's more than moderate Democrat House colleagues are, in their words,
facing a growing drum of demands to break the rules,
fight dirty, and not be.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Afraid to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
According to one Democratic law a lawmaker quoted in Axios,
our own base is telling us that what we're doing
is not good enough. Some of them have suggested what
we really need to do is be willing to get
shot in protests that US Immigration and Customs enforcement with
facilities again another element of law enforcement ice agents doing
their job and enforcing the laws on the books. Continuing

(43:59):
the quote that there needs to be blood to grab
the attention to the press in public. Another lawmaker told
actually his constituentsy civility isn't working, and to get ready
for violence to fight to protect our democracy. Another said quote,
it's like the Roman colisseum. People just want more and

(44:20):
more of this spectacle. Obviously, these are Democrats who've moved
beyond the defeat them at the ballot box stage of politics,
and even beyond the protests by civil disobedient stage. They're
ready to turn a political fight into a physical fight.
Violence is already going on in Alvarado, Texas. A militant
group broadly allied with Democratic views launch what officials call

(44:42):
a coordinated attack on the ICE Prairie Land Attention Center
on the fourth of July. According to court document, started
about ten thirty in the evening, when a group of
ten to twelve Antifa radicals dressed all in black bean
shooting fireworks towards the building. Some began to vandalize park
car with while unarmed ICE workers called nine one one

(45:03):
and Alvarado Police Department officer arrived. According to the court document,
immediately after the APD officer got out of his vehicle,
an assailant in the woods opened fire, shooting the officer
in the neck area. Another gunman also opened fire at
the unarmed Department of Homeland Security correctional officers. In total,

(45:23):
the assailants shot approximately twenty to thirty rounds at the
correctional officers. Police later found two AR fifteen style rifles
and spent casings in the nearby woods, and when the
radicals ran away, police rounded them up, some still in
the woods, some escaping down a nearby road, including seven
suspects who were dressed in black military style clothing. Some
had on body armor armors, some were covered in mud,

(45:45):
some were armed, some had radios that all in the
court documents. The officer who was shot in the next survived,
thanked God. Now ten suspects have been charged with attempted murder.
This is the radical, violent tip of the protests against
Trump administration's enforcement of immigration law. Other examples of recent

(46:07):
radicalization of the far left Free Palestine extremists Elias Rodriguez
accused of murdering two Israeli embassy staff members outside the
Jewish National Museum of Washington, May twenty first. Luigi Mangioni,
killer of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. That was
December of last year, if you can remember, it's been
that long. Despite the brutality of his crime, Mangoni found

(46:30):
himself celebrated in some parts of the left, his crime
minimalized or excused for what some apparently consider a bold
action against oppress the oppressive health care system. Beyond that,
of course, they've already been riots in Los Angeles and
other protests, some with the participation of Democratic lawmakers or

(46:51):
Democratic support groups like labor unions, that involve varying degrees
of disorderliness. Finally, Who's been an alarming plunge in the
number of Democrats who say they are proud to be
an American. Back in twenty fifteen, Obama was president, eighty
percent of Democrats say they were extremely or very proud
to be an American. This according to Gallup Survey. Today,
the same survey show as Donald Trump in the White House,

(47:14):
that number is now thirty six percent, accurd to CNN
data analysts Harry and Topping on the Top, speaking on
the topic Democrats, the percentage who say they're proud to
be an American has fallen through the floor. He also
observed the Democratic numbers are entirely different from Republican numbers.
In twenty fifteen, Obama was president, ninety percent of Republicans

(47:36):
say they were extremely or very proud to be an American. Today,
with Trump, the numbers ninety two, virtually unchanged. Byron York says,
take it all together, the situation is this, some Democrats
are calling on the elected representatives to engage in violence
against the policies of President Trump. And I would interject,
I think it's more than that that far left wing

(48:00):
the party wants to engage in violence against this system
of government. Look at the practically mayor in New York City.
They've all got him having wined that mom dommi guy,
he's a blank and communist. Well three distribution. We're going

(48:21):
to tax all the rich into submission. We're gonna give
it away. How long is that gonna work, mister Mandami? Anyway?
Going back to Byron. At the same time, groups that
might be characterized as militant allies of the progressive of
democratic movement are resorting to violence in an effort to
obstruct the president's enforcement of federal immigration law. Its laws

(48:42):
on the books, folks, Some radicals have committed politically motivated murder,
for which they receive support in some far left circles.
And it's all happening in the context of one of
two major political parties experiencing a sharp drop and the
most basic measure of civic devotion pride in being American,

(49:04):
and in a two party system. The sharp drop is
on the Democratic side of the Ledger the troubling picture.
Nothing on the immediate horizon suggests it will improve anytime soon.
Thank you byron Yorke for the opinion. Bobby's on the line.
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welcome in the morning, showing a happy Wednesday, you sir.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Happy hump Day, my brother.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
I tell you what, you got a true patriot on
the line with you this morning.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh I know you are, Bobby, without question.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Well, I tell you what. There was an awful good
cabinet meeting yesterday with the Trump's true the only thing
is here they need to get a short layer of
dunk button on that at one fifteen yesterday during his
cabinet meeting, but said the same thing I did a
week ago accidentally.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, well, those words do tend to pop up.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
Hey, I do.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Hey, I got a question. How's the shooting rate going
on down in Cincinnati? I know someday we had a
street takeover in Clifton, and you know what I'm saying,
people don't want to talk about the problems. We had
a shooting in Walnut Hills last night. I guess that's
why Cincinnati holds the top five and the most violent
city's per capitinal.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, in the nation. Yeah, maybe that's why the alcohols
back on. Firearm Bureau is now offering rewards for tips
to lead to prosecution and gun related crimes twenty five
hundred dollars rewards. I mean, how do we get on
their radar, Bobby. Apparently it's because of what you just
pointed out. We got a very violent city. It only
seems to be getting worse.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
It's in the top five of the nation. My friend,
and our people down there in the city hall, they
don't want to do anything about it. You know, support
your police. You can't get enough of them. They all
need to be on the street to curtail these problems.
And until you go ahead and respect the police and
you put the numbers up there where they need to be,
it's not gonna get you better.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Well and again, I keep going back to the fact
that's what the leftists want. They don't want it to
get better. They want chaos, they want violence, they want anger,
they want to like it's like the Bolshevik Revolution. You know,
they get enough people out there they want to overthrow
the government. And I know that sounds crazy, conspiratorial, but
this is the playbook that they work off of. Undermine
the authority, undermine the government, undermine every component of it.

(53:12):
We have an evil and listen It's part of the
education system, now, isn't it. Bobby, talk about how evil
the United States is, how we're born of original sin
and we're irredeemable and we're nothing but bad, and you know,
war wagers, and they forget and they overlook everything that
the United States has been able to do based upon
its absolute outright success over two hundred and forty nine years.

(53:33):
Ignore all that. I mean, this is the goal they want.
They want socialism, they want wealth redistribution, they want the
end of anything remotely related to capitalism, which is the
obviously most demonstrably successful form of government.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Welcome.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
I had a two and a half percent chance to
be born in this country. I was born a winner
amen first date yeap period that most people don't realize
what they have here. Give them five thousand dollars and
I can give them seven other places to go in
this world and see if they come back.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I agree with you completely, Bobby. We don't appreciate the
blessings of living in America. How is it that so
many people from outside this country want to come here?

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Right? Is it?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
The overwhelming flood of illegal immigrants across our border during
the Biden administration illustrative of the fact that we live
in the best country and they all want to slice
of that action. Yeah, you pull globally and we would
have what like a billion people coming to the United
States of America if everybody wanted to come here got
their way. Why, Because we live in a free country
at least well as our freedoms gradually erode, most people

(54:44):
are clamoring for that. Just an opportunity which you don't
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Chance of rain seventy two. Right now, it's not for traffic.

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I'm seeing posted speeds in all directions, even through the construction.
It may just be construction zone posted speeds. I'm Heather
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Speaker 3 (57:13):
Station six thirty one fifty five KRCD Talk Stations. Happy Wednesday,
listener lunch Wednesday, So it is happier for me. I
really enjoyed listener lunches. Hope to see you there again.
Wandering Monsters Brewery, Beachmont Avenue over the local stories. Yeah,

(57:36):
it is already Wednesday, but at least it was reported
yesterday guess what happened over the weekend. More violence a
street takeover is what is described as happened on Ludlow
Avenue and Clifton residents and business owners are really upset
about the whole situation. Apparently this has been going on
for a while. Thanks to Brett Buganski over a Channel
nine Fox WCPO for reporting on this. They obtained reports

(58:01):
that up to eighty people crowd of the street block
Traffee were partying about three between three p forty and
four am. Happened last Sunday. courtA dispatcher push the crowd back.
Fire is having trouble getting out of the firehouse. They
were blocking the fire department from going on a run.

(58:22):
Described so many people in the street. The fire truck
said it. They said it couldn't get out of the
firehouse on Ludlow Avenue. There's surveillance video that WCPO obtained
showing police officers trying to break up the crowd. Officers
chasing at least one person and catching up to him
over the scanners. Officers reported that they had used a
taser to control the crowd and deployed pepper spray or

(58:44):
pepper balls corner to Steve Gooden, who's joined the program.
He's our resident legal expert. He's also a former City
council member and member of the Clifton Community Council. He
said when they first when the first few officers arrived,
they were scared. They called for back and backup was
slow to arrive. I wonder why that might be good

(59:09):
and said what you're seeing in the surveillance videos and
hearing over the scanners was brought up during their Community
Council meeting Monday this week, some residents and businesses voicing
concerns about the safety and their livelihood, which has reportedly
being an beginning sorry being been an ongoing problem for
a couple of years. Can't give my mouth to work

(59:30):
this morning, I'm sorry now. Apparently part of the problem
maybe the Bohemian hookah cafe which is open every day
from four pm to four am. They don't have a
liquor license. And how is it that you can smoke
in a hookah bar but you can't smoke anyplace else?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
He asked.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Anyway business owners, the WCPOS book was said all the
trouble happens after the bars closed at two am. People
selling alcohol out of their cars fighting on the sidewalks
in the middle of the street. Surveillance video is showing
some appear to be intimidating people by showing a gun
in their Wasteman business owners blaming the hookah lowns for

(01:00:13):
enabling this. Although you can't necessarily blame the hookah bar.
It's open, it's a legal business. It's the people in it.
CPO called the landlord of the Hookah Lounges, who said
over the phone that she was trying to evict the
business because of the repeated complaints of disorderly conduct, besides
the city dedicating more officers to Clifton on the weekends

(01:00:34):
when bars close. CPO asked, good and what they want
from the city quote, I would love for the city
to file a public nuisance lawsuit to shut down the
hookah bar. Well, there's a possible solution, right if your
business has been identified as a public nuisance, the police
can shut it down and they can go after it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
CPO reached out to aftab pro ball remembers of the
city council to talk about this not reported that way.
They said they did reach out to city officials for
comment on the Hookah business and whether they plan to
label a nuisance. And they're continuing to press for answers
about what steps will be taken to address the Clifton
area residents concerns and about safety, and they will be

(01:01:18):
keeping track of it. At least we've got some local
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It's six forty fifty five KRC, the talk Station, Happy Wednesday.
I'm going to go to the phones here right now.
It's five one three, seven four nine to fifty five hundred,
eight hundred eighty two three talk pound five fifty on
eighteen to two phone. Hey, Steve, thanks for calling this morning.
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 14 (01:02:40):
Yes, sir, I am semi retired. I'm sixty three. I
work three days a week, but this is one of
the days off, and I'm sitting on my deck. The
fountains are going, got banana plants around me, a lemon tree.
I mean, it's it's my home, sitting under the wisteria
on the arbor that I built. So it's it's life
is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
It sounds beautiful, man.

Speaker 14 (01:03:03):
And then we top it off. I got you on
the radio, so what what you know? What else could
you get? But uh, this will be my third listener lunch.
First one I went to by myself made a lot
of friends. Everybody is really kind and and it's just
a it's a nice atmosphere. Took my lovely wife and
some friends from church a few months ago, and so

(01:03:26):
it'll be me and my better half today. The only
thing I you know, I stopped trying to figure out
women a long time ago. But I mean, but when
my lovely wife met you, and you you came to
our table and talked and walked away, and she just said,
the voice doesn't match the face. And I don't know
if that's good, Matt. I have no idea what that means,

(01:03:49):
but take it as a compliment. Maybe maybe you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
But.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
No, no, I don't you know.

Speaker 14 (01:03:57):
I mean, I but you know, I guess when you've
not seen the person. Now, I had been to the
website many times, so I kind of knew what you
look like, so but I don't know what that means.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:04:09):
I know you've got Jay Ratliff on every Thursday, And
I mean, you don't mind that I'd get away from
the killing and the city and everything for a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Or two or do you no?

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Not of it?

Speaker 14 (01:04:19):
Okay? And I'm kind of hoping to hear about the
Air India flight because I was in India in April.
It's an amazing country. The people are just the friendliest
people in the world. And that that happened, you know,
some few weeks after I got back, and it kind
of hit me hard because I actually I was on
Air India on one of my flights and they're just

(01:04:44):
an amazing people. So I'm hoping we'd get to hear
something about I don't think he's followed up yet on that.
He's kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Well, maybe because there's nothing, not enough information to follow
up on, because these investigations do take a long long
time there, you do very thorough investigations. It maybe I
haven't gotten a list of topics. He provides Joe and
me with the topics he wants to talk about, and
occasionally I'll steer him in a different direction. He doesn't
mind that at all, So maybe I'll bring it up
if it's not on his topic list.

Speaker 14 (01:05:10):
But if you don't mind, again, I know, I could
do an internet search and look for it, but I'd
rather be spoon fed like a baby. So I like
him to tell me what's going on. But I'll look
forward to seeing you at lunchtime. Well, I'm I'm in Independence,
and we actually go to Jungle Gym's in Eastgate probably

(01:05:32):
about every three weeks, so we're gonna take advantage of
bribing all the way out there, and once we're leaving,
we'll we'll go one more exit and we'll hit Jungle
Gyms and we'll come back home after that. So yeah,
thanks for everything you do, and and Joe really keeps
the show going. I love the sound effects and all

(01:05:52):
that stuff and little phrasings he hits and it really
makes the chef.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I share your eur opinion about Jos Trekker and the
sound bite, Steve, and I am very much looking forward
to seeing you in your better half at lunch today
wandering Monsters Brewery on Beachmunt Avenue. In case you haven't
gotten the word, you too are invited and talking about
I going back to violence generally speaking. And you know
that while we've been complaining of late here in the
morning show with my guests and all that, the city

(01:06:19):
Council doesn't say anything about the violence we obviously have
a plague with here in the city. Mayor keeps his
mouth shut. Of course, they're on summer break, so why
would we hear from them, Oh, oh, it's not their
job while they're on break. But more and more elected officials,
and notably all of the blue cities are encouraging violence.

(01:06:45):
And now it may be on the fringe. Now, oh
my god, immigrations and customs affairs, and we can't have
ICE agents in our neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
This is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Mayor Brandon Johnson, Brandon Johnson and Chicago vowing the city
will never ever cooperate with ICE. You know, again, it's
unconscionable at a time in which so many working people
impoor people need government to show up for them. That
this administration, that Trump administration, has caused so much consternation
and division.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Look, we are a welcoming.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
City ordinance, he said, our local police department will not
ever cooperate with ICE, whatever their constitutional authority is. Note
that last part of that sentence. We will never cooperate
with ICE, whatever their constitutional authority is. He doesn't care

(01:07:37):
about the law on the books. He is telling people
to violently oppose immigrations and customs enforcement. No, it's not
a city policy, it's not a state law that's being enforced.
It's a federal law that's being enforced duly it acted
signing law by whatever presidents signed the current existing law,

(01:07:57):
and it's been a long time since there was any
quote unquote in immigration reform. But they have the right
and legal obligation and duty to do their job, which
is round up illegal immigrants, most notably going after the
most criminal element among them, which would be better for
all the cities, getting the most dangerous violent gang members
off the streets. Isn't that something we all want? I
think the answer is probably a resounding hell yes. Brandon

(01:08:20):
Johnson not really talking to the people, his constituents, residents
of the various neighborhoods who've been overrun by migrant gangs
and crime. But he's out loud, like La mayor Bass,
out loud, screaming about defying law enforcement. And it doesn't

(01:08:41):
take much for those who might defy law enforcement because
they feel they have some moral right to prevent illegal
immigrants from being evicted from our country. Oh my god,
my ancestors were illegal immigrants or whatever. You disagree with
the policy, you're supposed to deal with it at the
ballot box. And elective officials who are against the particular
policy as it is in place. But no, no, no,

(01:09:02):
we've moved beyond that because most Americans want them out
of the country and want a secure border. So the
leftists aren't going to get their way. So what do
you do when you can't get your way at the
ballot box and elect people? Thought, Well, you take it
to the streets, and you openly and out allowed to
find laws. So you're talking about ice in this particular place,

(01:09:22):
and you have some elevated moral authority to say the
law is wrong. These are real people. Look, here's an
immigrant mother who's been here. Blah blah blah. You know
the old story. They always towed out the worst possible
factual scenario and hold it up as if every single
person falls into that particular category of faction. No, how
about this gang member who raped children. You don't raise

(01:09:43):
him in defense of your keeping him in the country.
You don't use him as a poster child for immigration reform.
But the leftists who are anxious and want this country
to fall apart, use that these mayors, these elected officials,
these people who are supposed to be law enforcers, who

(01:10:05):
swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States of
America as well as their state Constitution and uphold local laws.
They did take a vow to do that when they
were elected. They come out swinging against one sliver of
law enforcement, and it's perceived as an open invitation to
go after all government, and that's the goal. Read your

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to change an administration can be Going back to the border,
obviously the border has been shut down almost one hundred percent.
We aren't dealing with the mass flood of illegal immigrants
coming to our country that we had under Joe Biden,
an intentional thing, but it's having an impact on jobs too.

(01:12:23):
It's really wild. Labor Bureau Labor statistics came out the
other day with some really wild figures. Compared to the
start of the year, foreign born employment there will be
immigrant point employment, illegal or otherwise down by half a million,
over half a million workers, while American born employment citizen
employment is up by over two million. Labor force participation

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rate rose from sixty one point four percent to sixty
one point eight percent, just a small percentage increase, but
still highest level ever of native born Native born Americans
employed over the Herriage Foundation.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
E J.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Antony commented on this mainly that compared to former Joe
Biden's migrant economy economy where nearly all of the net
job growth went to foreign born workers, Trump's economy delivering
nearly all net job growth to native born Americans. Quote,
what a difference a president makes. Last November, the twelve
month changing jobs among native born Americans was minus one

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point one million, but for June this year, up one
point seven million. Average hourly earnings for all employees on
private non farm payroll rows zero point two percent to
thirty six dollars and thirty cents in June. That's a
quarter of the Burea of Labor Statistics. So wages are

(01:13:50):
up and American born employment is up. Over the past
twelve months, average hourly earnings are up three point seven percent,
according to the Bureau Labors to two HM HM migrants gained
more than four point seven million jobs under Biden. Employment

(01:14:11):
growth for native born Americans increased by only six hundred
and forty five thousand jobs. That's accorded Center for Immigration
Studies Research. So when you compare the two, obviously, the
Biden administration did get employment for illegal immigrants, but what
about Americans, Well, it's flipped dramatically under the Trump administration.

(01:14:37):
I suppose someone accused me of xenophobia or something for
wanting American citizens to get jobs that are obviously available.
There sixty five come up with six fifty six. The
Jack added in Big Picture Trump and Churchill, that'll be
after the top of the Hour News. Always enjoy that
segment with Jack brilliant he is. I hope he can
stick around for that.

Speaker 15 (01:14:57):
A full rundown and the biggest ten lines is and
it's away at the top of the hour.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I'm giving you a fact now Americans shouldn't know.

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Fifty five K the talk station Yashi at seven oh six.
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to Judge Ennertapolitana, we'll hear from Donald and Neil at
bottom of the are about rescinding her overriding diwines Vito's
We are talking right now, getting a big picture with
Jack Add in a segment I look forward to every
single week.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Welcome back, Jack Add. It's always a pleasure to have
you on the program.

Speaker 16 (01:15:41):
I've missed your Pale and Joe and all the listeners.
Amesley and I visited our older daughter and her husband
in France where they were doing autism research, so we've
been out of touch, only to return to find this
horrendous tragity in Texas. I covered floods on the Guadalupe
River forty years ago working in San Antonio, but this

(01:16:04):
is beyond words still. We also returned to a lot
of good news, Trump ending wars between India and Pakistan,
Congo and Rwanda, and of course Israel and Iran, and
now the Palestinians may want to get in. Everyone wants
to talk peace, maybe even Ukraine and Russia, although I'm

(01:16:24):
less optimistic about that. Along with Colonel Davis. Then the
Supreme Court backing Trump on deportations and limiting nationwide injunctions,
the University of Pennsylvania even apologizing for letting men compete
in women's sports.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
How about that, and.

Speaker 16 (01:16:42):
The President getting his one big beautiful law. It'll preserve
and expand Trump's first term tax cuts, finish the border wall,
fully fund ice and defense, including a Golden Dome for America,
and shift money to parents for cool choice. That may
be the most important thing of the bill. And yes,

(01:17:04):
one point seven trillion dollars in actual spending cuts. But
then Trump aims to further shrink deficits through deregulation and
energy production, all to fuel growth. You remember growth, friends,
Apparently our favorite senator and congressmen from Kentucky do not,

(01:17:24):
but it's possible they will vote for the next reconciliation
and recision bills, maybe Mike Johnson and John thuneval. Those
will be coming, because, folks, the Big Beautiful Bill was
just step one necessary but not sufficient. Nobody claimed it was.
What I'd like to talk about this morning, Brian, though,

(01:17:45):
is how ironically none of this might have been possible
had Trump been declared the winner in twenty twenty. How
Trump and the country needed is four year long time
in the wilderness, those four disastrous years of Joe Biden
and his woke puppet masters welcoming millions of illegals, inviting

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Putin to invade Ukraine, at Hamas to invade Israel, inviting
inflation dei, the kind of crime we're now seeing spread
throughout Cincinnati. We needed those four awful years to remind
America what democratic rule is all about. We had to
be brought to the brink of what Joe Biden likes

(01:18:28):
to call an existential crisis, a real one, not the
phony crisis. Hakim Jeffreys stumbled and mumbled about for more
than eight hours trying to keep Republicans from passing that
one big, beautiful bill. All this got me thinking about
a man I greatly admire, Winston Churchill, the man who

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single handedly fought off Adolf Hitler until the Japanese forced
America into World War II. Winston Churchill had all so
been banished from office for more than twenty years until
Not so Great Britain finally realized they needed him back.
Churchill spent those decades in the wilderness following World War One,

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partly because he wanted to overthrow, excuse me, Communism. That's
one of the reasons he was forced out. It was
after the Russian Revolution, and then because he wanted to
stop Nazism in its tracks before Hitler could invade. Britain, France,
and the United States all thought they could appease Hitler's
appetite for world conquest and for the extermination of Jews

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and others. Churchill's predecessor, Neville Chamberlain even declared peace in
our time when he made a deal sacrificing Germany's neighbors.
But Churchill accused the appeasers.

Speaker 17 (01:19:48):
Of feeding the crocodile, hoping the crocodile will eat them lost,
just as Obama and Biden fed Iran cash and phoning
nuclear deals, only to leave the world weeks some people say,
even just days away from those America hating jihadists achieving
nuclear capability.

Speaker 16 (01:20:10):
In a way, Trump has an advantage over Churchill because
that British aristocrat remained an imperialist all his life, Churchill
fought against Britain surrendering India and its other colonies. Had
he been alive in seventeen seventy six, Churchill would have
opposed the American Revolution. By contrast, for all his bomb

(01:20:31):
bast about making Canada and Greenland the next two United States,
Trump is really fighting for the American idea, which is
not about empire. The American idea is all about maintaining
no more government than we need to defend ourselves against
foreign foes, no more government than we need to preserve

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God given individual rights. The United States is not a
kingdom an empire. It's a republic governed by a constitution
that divides up and strictly limits the power of government,
including the power of misguided government to open our borders lawlessly,

(01:21:14):
to ship our jobs overseas using tax and trade laws,
and to turn judges and bureaucrats into tyrants. Donald Trump,
Mike Johnson, John Thune, and those Republicans who, without any
help from Democrats, just gave us the one big beautiful Bill,
the one big beautiful start. They did not break or

(01:21:35):
ignore any laws or judicial rulings. They even bowed to
the partisan Congressional Budget Office, which doesn't recognize that tax
cuts give us more revenue. They even bow to the
Senate parliamentarian and I don't want to go within that
she was up to. Look, Brian, this bill is far
from perfect. That's the nature of democracy. You have to

(01:21:58):
compromise so you can elect more people who agree with you,
which is what we should be focused on right now.
We don't want unanimity. Only dictatorships are unanimous. We want
compromise and that allows us to move toward our goals,
one step at a time, to sum up. In nineteen forty,

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with Hitler overrunning Europe and the luftwuff of Blitz pulverizing
the British Isles, Britain had no choice but to bring
Winston Churchill back from the wilderness because he had been
the only man willing to fight. In twenty twenty four,
with wars raging across the globe, inflation soaring, our manufacturing

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base lost, and millions of illegal immigrants, many of them
human traffickers, drug dealers, violent criminals let loose on America
by the Biden regime, thirty one states, including all of
the Swing States, brought Donald Trump back from the wilderness
because Donald Trump was the only man willing to fight.

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There's more fighting left to do, but so far, America
I think is winning.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
I agree with you and you know, say we want
to with a big, beautiful bill which I hate the
name of it. It does have a lot of very
important and profound implications positive for the country, and I'm
i am upset that the current administration isn't as much
of a deficit hawk as I would like it to be.
But hopefully, as you pointed out, the improvement in job

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conditions and the economic benefits we get from that bill
will negate some of the deficit spending reality. But we
do have an existential threat in terms of our Fiat currency.
But I appreciate the point that you made about the
hiatus we had having Biden in office for four years now.
I don't think Trump would been able to accomplish what
he's accomplished in lightning speed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I mean, it's July Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Look at what he's been able to do in the
short period of times since he got sworn in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I don't think that.

Speaker 16 (01:24:00):
And you know, an even bigger irony is that Biden
and the Democrats might have been much better off had
they lost the twenty twenty two congressional mid year elections.
After Bill Clinton lost his midterm elections in nineteen ninety four,
he declared the era of big government is over, and
Clinton then went on to work with the new Republican

(01:24:21):
House Speaker Nut Gingrich. Together they balanced budgets. They added
work requirements to welfare, yes they did, until those were
dissipated under the Democrats, and the good economy that produced
became Clinton's biggest achievement by the same token. After Barack
Obama admitted he took a shellacking in the twenty ten

(01:24:42):
midterm elections, Obama moved closer to the center on a
few issues, including illegal immigrants, becoming the deporter in chief,
and that helped him win reelection in twenty twelve. By contrast,
the Biden administration became even more radical after winning the

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twenty twenty two midterms, and Kamala Harris got clobbered in
twenty twenty four having learned nothing and having lost working
people to Trump. Democrats are more radical now than ever.
I can't believe what's going on in my old hometown,
New York City. So Republicans keep working together. As they
did on this big, beautiful start. I think they'll win

(01:25:26):
again next year and in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Eight, exactly because we have fresh in our minds what
was going on and what happened under the Biden administration.
You know, I've often said, Jack, and maybe you can
comment on this withether you agree or disagree with me.
With the fall of the Iron Curtain and the fall
of the Soviet Union, we lost our moral perspective and
our moral bearing. They were our arch enemy during the

(01:25:48):
Cold War, but get always compared to the United States
and our standard of living, the fact that we had
Levi's blue jeans and VCRs and we didn't have breadlines
with the cold, harsh reality of what communism looked like
in practice, breadlines, you know, a gray, dismal sort of perspective,
and we could hold it out against like listen, no,

(01:26:09):
you don't want to go that direction. You could fight
off your political foes who were you know, socialist leaning.
We would call them comedis and pinkos, and that was
like the death no for any politician who embraced that
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We've just lost sight. But having Joe Biden fresh in
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it's allowed Trump to move forward with his agenda and
it looks like the American people are pretty happy with it.

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That's what the Democrats are doing now with Donald Trump.
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To move on. Amen.

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It's an outstanding analysis, as it always is, Jack, evidence
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God bless him. Glad you're back, Glad you had saved travels,
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Bet the best of love and health to you and
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Prosperity is going to be working on Ohio lawmakers to
override some of Mike dwiness vetos. And notably among the
list is not the six hundred million dollars for the
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on that this morning because we're gonna hear from Mark
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They have filed a lawsuit against a munch of officials
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fund six point or four point eight billion dollar fund.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Is illegal.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
I know the budget changed the law and said unclaim
funds can be taken by the state after ten years,
but their lawsuits suggests otherwise. And I again whether it's
lawful or not. And we'll hear the details about the
state of the law from Mark dan He's gonna be
on an eight ZHO five. I go back to the

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morality the ethics of it. You know, this this idea
that our taxpayer dollars even if its unclaimed fund, so
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The first instance.

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But right here in Ohio, a state that is dominated
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that we would use that money for sports. There's never
an end to the hands that want to end up
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from Americans for Prosperity doing great work here in the
state of Ohio to try to bring about some fiscal
sanity and responsibility and government.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Donovan, welcome back to the Morning show, my friend Brian.
Always good to be with you. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
All right, So we got the budget here in the
state of Ohio, and I've been on a tear constantly,
of course, because of the six hundred million dollars going
to the Browns, and I know you have no control
over that, and it's not something that dwind vetoed, which
really kind of irked me considering what he did veto
But because Vetos line item veto's which our governor has
the authority to do. They can be overridden, and that's

(01:35:21):
what you're working on now to override some of the
veto's Dwine did, and some of them making me scratch
my head. It seems like everything related to providing the
Hiolins with property tax relief were the subject of the
veto pen and the line eye of veto. I guess
sort of as a broader perspective, why did Dwine vote
what I think a lot of people really would have

(01:35:41):
really appreciated, which is some relief toward property taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Well, that's been a bit of a head scratcher.

Speaker 15 (01:35:48):
Each of these vetos, the governor does put out a
veto message, you know, it's sort of a well curated,
you know, statement on each one of the items in general,
would I would summarize these as I understand them as
the governor felt like more review was necessary before making
any changes to the property tax system here in the

(01:36:09):
state of Ohio, which to me, Brian is ludicrous because
last year there was a select committee created in last
year's budget that met and vetted hundreds of hours of testimony.
Hundreds of organizations delivered testimony, and they developed a report
that was released late last year. I think twenty one
with items of recommendations.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Which some of which items were the ones that were
included in the bill which he vetoed then correct and.

Speaker 15 (01:36:38):
Also were items that over the last six months had
received House and Senate versions of legislation, which also Brian
received hundreds of hours of public vetting by organizations across
the political spectrum, local government entities and otherwise that ultimately
the items that were included in the state budget.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Regarding property taxes.

Speaker 15 (01:37:01):
I think we're generally very well vetted, generally popular ideas
that would actually solve some of the transparency and accountability
issues as well as bring direct relief to property tax owners.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Right, maybe not as much as we all want. I mean,
they weren't going to solve the problem of our property
taxes going up thirty percent or whatever in any given
year when they do the review, but at least they
would help in some way, so you know, every little
bit counts. I mean, I'll take a little bit. I'm
not going to get one hundred percent of what I want,
like how about no property tax, but at least that

(01:37:34):
they provided some foundation for us to get some you know,
transparency as you point out, or at least some measure
of relief, then why not?

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
What's wrong with it? Mike Dwine, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:37:46):
Yeah, and I think that's why you're seeing such a
rapid response from lawmakers to come back and start with
this tranch of vetos. They're sixty seven in total number
of them. I think they still need to do more
overrights on butts. For now, we've got a commitment you
know that the legislature made yesterday calling numbers back January

(01:38:07):
twenty first, eleven am to vote on overriding three the
three property tax items that the governor.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Vetoed Okay, And before we get to the specific ones
we're going to talk about, I'll probably have to take
a break before we dive into those specifically. But by
way of process, as I understand it, I had one
of the state senators on the show, they don't have
to override all the vetos at one time that they want.
I mean, they can do them maybe three when they return,
and then further in the year they might want to
override some other vetos, so they can do little bytes

(01:38:36):
at the apple or or just a step by step
process up to a certain deadline.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Correct, they can do all that.

Speaker 15 (01:38:44):
And they can even just take these ideas as bills, right, Yeah,
run these bills through the process and send the bills
straight up to the governor.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
So there's a lot of different paths the legislature has, okay,
and maybe the latter one and it will be even
more effective.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
But if they can override the vetos, we get what
we want without having to go through another legislative session
and you know, through the committees, and they have that
introduced and been back and forth with the House and Senate.
Fair enough, let's bring Donovan O'Neil back to talk about
the three ones that they're targeting, and hopefully we'll get
some relief from our elected officials on that and then
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Happy Wednesday. Brian here with Donald and Neil for Americans
for Prosperity. All right overriding Mike Dwines Vetos. There are
three of them that you've identified that apparently they have
already elected officials have already identified to vote on overriding.
Let's start with the property tax the County Budget Commission

(01:41:50):
authority and procedure' what's this one all about? What would
the override do? And if implemented, what would this do
by way of relief for us well?

Speaker 15 (01:41:58):
So, one of the things that we has sort of
been identified and vetted through last year's Joint Committee and
through testimony this year is that there needs to be
another layer of accountability on behalf of the taxpayers to
make sure that all of the taxing entities within a
county are taxing just what they need, not what they

(01:42:20):
want is how I describe it right, and so On
local levels, we have county budget commissions. These are made
up of the prosecutor, the treasurer, and the county auditor.
All of our counties have these, and what their job
is to do is to review every year, they review
the budget for all the political subdivisions within the county
and make sure that it's leving the right property taxes

(01:42:42):
and collecting the necessary moneies.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Owed.

Speaker 15 (01:42:45):
What the legislature started to kind of pinpoint here is
that we should empower the County Budget Commission to have
stronger oversight on behalf of the taxpayers. So if you
have a school district that's sitting on one hundred thousand
dollars as for example, although in this case be forty
thousand dollars, so any to over forty thousand, I'm sorry,
forty percent cash carryover, the County Budget Commission could challenge

(01:43:07):
that school board to put that money back to the
taxpayers and say, hey, look, you're not using the money.
You continue to go to the taxpayers and raise their
property taxes. What we're going to ask you is we
can say, We're gonna say you can continue to collect
the money you need, you can even hold forty percent
of your carryover, but anything beyond that you got to
give back to the taxpayers. If you don't have a valid,

(01:43:30):
necessary purpose to use that money. Well, that it would
create a new check in balance to strengthen taxpayer protections on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
A local level. I get it all day long, and
I understand the point of it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
But would that not potentially encourage the school board to
spend needlessly in order to get below that forty percent carryover?

Speaker 15 (01:43:52):
Well, I think that's one of the loopholes that can
definitely occur there. But I think what part of the
way the reformers like David Thomas and others who are
working on this issue. You see this as this is
a multi year effort to begin to reform structurally the
way that we do this so ten twenty fifty years
from now we don't find ourselves in a similar property
tax crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
So it can provide some.

Speaker 15 (01:44:12):
Immediate relief, but then long term, the idea here is
it's going to provide some structural checks and balances to
make sure that we don't get into a situation like
we find ourselves in today.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Okay, And the other component of this just looking at
the details. The devil's always in the details. The three
individuals you identified and the prosecutor whoever the three of
the represent this committee. Do they have the resources, the wherewithal,
the knowledge, the ability to look into each and every
taxing authority within the county. I mean, you think about

(01:44:43):
the various townships and how it's all broken down. This
is a whole lot of say, school districts that they'd
have to look at case by case. That's a lot
a lot of work that they would have to do,
and would they even do it effectively? Well, the nice
thing is is that actually already exists. So they already eat,
They already exist within the Ohire Revice Code. What this

(01:45:03):
would have done with this, the proposals would do is
strengthen that body right oversight. But they'd have to do
basically an accounting of the carryover that That seems to
me the really the fundamental point here is how much
do they have left in their budget from the prior
year of expenditures or prior budget and are they at

(01:45:24):
an over that forty percent mark? Given the number of
school districts, even in Hamilton County. I just I find
it hard to believe that they'll be able to get
that work done, be honest with you, Donovan, That.

Speaker 15 (01:45:36):
Actually all but see here Brian, that information already already exists.
Oh okay, so the state already has that, so you
can go and you can view that information now you can.
And so it's really just giving them the authority to
be able to point to this and say, look, you're
sitting on a lot of cash. You're now coming to
us asking and in this case in some cases coming

(01:45:57):
to us asking for another levee to go on the ballot. Right,
either spend the money you already have returned to the taxpayers,
or don't even go you know, don't go to the
ballot for more money because you're flushless cast.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
I was not aware of those figures existed, because you
might have seems like I would have heard about that
in arguments over whether or not any given school levee
is justified or not. So all right, uh, item too.
The twenty mili floor calculation vetoed by governor to one.
What's what's this one going to do if overridden?

Speaker 15 (01:46:28):
So the twenty mil floor is a very flunky calculation.
But basically, in the state of Ohio, every school district
is entitled to twenty mills or two percent of the
property tax evaluation within that school district. So it's guaranteed
they would they that money they get. But what we've
found over the years, what has occurred over the last

(01:46:49):
several decades, is there are a number of levees, like
fixed some emergency levees that are not counted within that
twenty mil floor. And so what you have is, because
you're gonna use funy numbers illustrative purposes, right, ten mills
of you know, existing levees are counted. You know, you
got on the ballot, You've go one to the voters,

(01:47:10):
and that's on within that twenty mil floor. The state
automatically ups you another ten mills, so you got your
twenty mil floor. Ten of that was never voted for,
but it's just guaranteed. And then you have these other
levees counted outside of that. What we're saying is you
need to push those as many of those levees into

(01:47:30):
that twenty mil floor and they all be counted, not
use these creative what do you call creative loophole to
pull levees outside of that floor, giving school districts the
ability to sort of just automatically increase property taxes on
folks without it actually going to the voter. And so
what this would have done is push all of those

(01:47:51):
levees that are currently carried, you know, put on the
people of the state of Ohio within that twenty mil floor.
Say you got to actually, you know, count everything within
that space. You can't pull things out of that floor
or exclude things from that floor and by default sort
of create these unvoted tax increases on the people of Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
All right, and onto then Item number three, the school
district property tax levy restrictions.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Yeah, so this is something we've worked on for a while.

Speaker 15 (01:48:20):
And what this would get to is it would limit
the types of property taxes that school districts could levy,
and so right now they can levy have a leave nine.
There are nine types of property taxes that can be
levied in the state of Ohio. The one I would
point to just makes the most sense to me. Here
is the difference between a replacement and a renewal levee,
And so to me, Brian, that sounds about the same, right,

(01:48:43):
Replacing and renewing something almost similar.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
It's what we find from voters. But a renewal would
be a renewal of a previously set amount. A replacement
might suggest that they're asking for it, you know, getting
rid of the prior one, but asking for more.

Speaker 15 (01:48:57):
That's it thing, go, that's the idea, And so we
just want to clarify that language. You can go ask
for more money, but do it by saying you're going
to ask for more money if you want to renew
existing millage, renew existing millage and still collect the same
amount of tax dollars from your tax base that you
were looking for. It's simple stuff that brings transparency and

(01:49:18):
confidence doesn't provide immediate relief, right, but is part of
the push to structurally reform the system, which we need
to do in addition to delivering some of that immediate relief,
which is still a work in progress.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
As they move through the session.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Yeah, these are baby steps, but at least important baby steps,
and going in the right direction for the purpose of
tax relief as opposed to the potential of our taxes
going up more than they already have. Fair enough, absolutely
well call to action from Americans for prosperity from a
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representatives and your senators.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
It always does.

Speaker 15 (01:49:57):
I think they're hearing it loud and clear, but it's
important and to have your message heard, share your voice,
contact your state rep, your state center. It's going to
start in the House of Representatives. They got to do
the first vote, sixty votes. It'll go to the Senate
they can override, and then we've got some of this
relief and some of these reforms put back into place
after the governor vetoed them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Considering all the legwork that's been done up to getting
these items incorporated into the budget, only to be vetoed
by the wine. You feel pretty confident they'll they'll they
have the votes to override the vetos.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
I think so.

Speaker 15 (01:50:28):
And it's not unprecedented. The legislature overwrites the governor somewhat frequently.
I don't have the exact numbers, but this, this isn't unprecedented.
These are very popular ideas, again, highly vetted ideas. I
think we're going to see sixty plus those might even
see some crossover from our friends in the Democrat caucus.
We're going to spend the next week or so, you know,
doing events and connecting with folks and trying to understand

(01:50:50):
where members are. And if there's anyone who's squishy or squeamish,
you know what we'll do, broom back in the line
and rushers pressures applied.

Speaker 8 (01:50:57):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
I suspect to the extent there's any opposition this because
property taxes are paid by people of all political stripes,
probably the teachers unions trying to protect their turf and
get as much money as they possibly can from the
tax payer.

Speaker 15 (01:51:09):
It is the only corners of Capitol Square where there
is opposition to any reform, which is baffling to me
knowing that that property tax ballot initiative is a sort
of damocles hanging over their head.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Yeah, that's the nuclear option here.

Speaker 15 (01:51:23):
It is these types of reforms, you know, to our
friends who want to see big government grow, these types
of reforms can provide at least some release valve for
folks who are feeling pain in their property taxes. Vetoing
these just puts more fuel on the fire. And look,
we got to make some big changes in the state.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
It is that property tax bill is looming large in
the background on this, of course, lighting a fire under
the folks in Columbus to actually do something, which they
tried in the bill, but along came Governor to whine.
Donovan and Neil Americans for prosperity. Thanks for all that
you do, behalf of the Ohio taxpayer. I'll look forward
to talking with you again next week. Have a fantastic

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balance of the week.

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My friend. Appreciate you, Brian.

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who has filed a lawsuit alleging to taking money from
the unclaimed funds for the Cleveland Browns Stadium violates the
States role as a custodian who runs a foul of

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both the Ohio and US Constitution. So what Governor de
Wine wouldn't veto and what really puzzles me of how
it even got into the budget may be subject to
being chucked out based upon the lawsuit. So I'm gonna
plaud Dan out up front, or rather a Mark Dan
upfront for his efforts along these lines, and we'll hear

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Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Happy Wednesday to you, of course. Continuing at theme, we
were talking about veto overrides Governor de Wine detO quite
a few provisions in the Ohio budget. Joining the fifty
five Carscy Morning Show. Founding partner of Dan Law Law Firm,
d A N N L A W. Can find him
online at dan law dot com, multiple offices Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus,
and New York and New Jersey. Welcome to the fifty

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five Carson Morning Show founding partner, Mark Dan. It is
a pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 19 (01:54:03):
I think he missed a veto of one important thing. Unfortunately,
what was that? I'm sorry, I think the governor missed
a veto of the one important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
I said, you're right, it's the most frustrating thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I was very frustrated because we were talking about the
hopeful property relief measures that he vetoed. Is like everything
they had to do with us taking a step toward
providing homeowners with property relief. He vetoed does, but he
left in there a six hundred million dollar gift to
a privately owned sports club known as the Cleveland Browns.
And really that irks me to know and mark as

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a fundamental ethical moral principle.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
It is just wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
It was worse when the House version came out because
they were going to actually borrow go into a debt
six hundred million dollars. I have to pay debt service
on it to the tune of about a billion total dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
That was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
But then the Senate decides, well, you know what, we
got this four point eight billion dollar unclaimed funds account.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Nobody's going on after that money. We don't have to borrow.
Let's just take it out of that and give it
to the Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
Doesn't solve the problems that I have from an ethical
moral standpoint on the proper role of government, but at
least it didn't sound as bad as.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Borrowing the money. So you have filed a lawsuit and
you have claimed.

Speaker 19 (01:55:17):
That I actually think it's even worse than borrowing the money,
because in a multitude of ways, it's an unconstitutional taking
of the property of people whose money, our moneys are
in that fund. I mean people in Ohio. Actually, there's
people throughout the world that have money in Ohio's Unclaim

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funds account.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
And it is not the state's money. It is our money.

Speaker 19 (01:55:44):
It is individuals money who have not yet been able
to liberate it from that fund. And liberating it from
the fund is difficult if anybody's ever tried. But it's
an unconstitutional taking. The process by which they're going to
take it to lacks any due process of law, any
serious notice to the people who have money in that

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fund that they're taking it and it's going to be
converted from their property on January first to twenty twenty
six to the state's property. And all the bill provides
is a promise that if they make a claim later
that the state will pay it. I promise they can
be broken by a politician down the road.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Well clearly, and that payment will be based on would
be a taxpayer burden payment, because of course the state
doesn't generate income itself, it takes it from.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
Us, right, that's correct.

Speaker 19 (01:56:36):
And again, you know it's if you've ever borrowed money
from a friend or a relative, you know, even with
the best of intentions, they don't always pay you back.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Isn't that true. That's why you never loan money to
friends and relatives, Mark Dan exactly. Now, my understanding is
prior to the budget bill passing that the law was
very clear on this that that money was not available
for the used by our elected officials for any project
at all, but did not the budget bill contain a
revision to that to say after ten years, if unclaimed,

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we're free to take it or amsing am I missing
some element.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Well, it's more than that.

Speaker 19 (01:57:14):
They're going to take one point seven billion dollars out
of that fund on January first, twenty twenty six, and
that will become the property of the state. What they're
saying is that after ten years, the state will have
even if there's no money. If there's no money left
in the fund, the state will have no obligation to
pay you that money back. So you're out of luck

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after ten years. And there's money in there. I talked
to a guy in Finley yesterday. It's got fourteen thousand
dollars in there. They misspelled his name when they entered
it in the database. He's been trying for ten years,
and that money's been in there for twenty years. He's
been trying for ten years to get it out of there,
and they won't back down because they mistook an M

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for an N in his last name. Oh my god,
and can't get that get that money out. I spoke
to a woman in Columbus yesterday who has money in
there that went from an insurance company just last October,
and they in the in What the folks at the
Unclaimed Funds office told her is that they were updating

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their software and they haven't entered any any new entries
since October. And so that's and and that's seven thousand dollars,
which is a lot of money in her situation and
life insurance proceeds that you desperately need and uh and
and you got bills to pay, and and they they
can't they can't verify it because they never entered it

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into their system.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
So she can't get that money out.

Speaker 19 (01:58:41):
So it's it is it is it is not you
know again, it's it's not a great system to begin with.
There's no actual notice given to the people that have
money in that fund, and and now they want to
take it without without paying them for it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
And that's just not right, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
I had it's rather comical side note on that point,
Mark Dan that the idea, this six hundred million dollar
concept that we're also incensed about, has given people a
broad awareness that there is in fact an unclaim funds
pile of money, and people are now going to the
website and trying to make claims on him. My executive
producer put his name in. He got twenty dollars back

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that was in there. He got some sort yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:59:24):
No good, yeah, good for him, And there's there's settlements
in there there there twenty years ago or so, a
lot of insurance companies were mutual insurance companies and they
became stock insurance companies and all the mutual beneficiaries who
they couldn't find, they threw the money in the in
the unclaimed funds. A few years ago there was an

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order for life insurance companies to not hold on to
unclaim benefits, but they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Put those in that fund.

Speaker 19 (01:59:50):
And so there's millions and millions of dollars of that
Pace Bank, you know, was headquartered in Columbus for a
long time, and they funds from all of their accounts
all over the world that were unclaimed went into that fund.
So there's people all over the not just in Ohio
that don't have access to it. And now setting aside

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the fact that we're taking you know, grandma's money from
a life insurance policy that Grandpa paid for to give
six hundred billion dollars to a billionaire for his own
private interest of building a stadium that's going to only
benefit him and frankly cost those of us who are
seeing ticket holders of the Browns more money because they're

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going to charge us seat licenses and other things as well.
That's outrageous enough that they're taking that, they're giving money
to a billionaire for his private interests, but it's also
unconstitutional because the government can't take your stuff or a
private company. They can only take it for a public purpose. So,

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I mean, there's just a whole list of reasonces is
on constitution. They're taking the money for a private, private purpose.
They're they're they're not providing due process of law to
people to claim it, they're not paying compensation, and uh,
apropoda your earlier conversation. The the uh this is, this
is not related to the budget, and it was passed

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in a budget. Billy and Ohio's constitution clearly says that
each bill needs to have a separate title, and a
separate debate and a separate vote each each each separate subject.
It's called a single subject rule. So uh, for for
a completely different reason, this enactment is unconstitutional.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
Well, you're making great argument, sounds to me. Mark Dan
of the Dan Law Firm d A N N l
A W dot com is where you find Mark and
his team. I guess I'm i sort of out loud,
wondering where a Hio attorney Donal David Yost is on this.
Isn't this something that he should be raising by way
of legal challenge, given that's given his role.

Speaker 19 (02:01:59):
Well, that's right. Well it's interesting because he's we actually
attached the copy of his letter to the governor urging
him to veto this bad bill, this bad piece of
legislation to our complaint. Uh, and he's charged with defending
the state. I'm not sure he doesn't have a conflict
at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
I agree.

Speaker 19 (02:02:17):
So what he said, he's talked out of both sides
of his mouth, shocking for an elected official. On one
side he said this is a terrible idea, and the
other said that he said, I think it's defensible constitutionally. Well,
we're going to find out.

Speaker 5 (02:02:30):
We're going to let a.

Speaker 19 (02:02:31):
Judge decide that.

Speaker 10 (02:02:33):
I disagree.

Speaker 19 (02:02:34):
I had his job at one time.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
I was the attorney general.

Speaker 19 (02:02:38):
And you represent not You don't represent the governor.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
When you're attorney general.

Speaker 19 (02:02:42):
You are a representative of the state, right and so
you have to make sometimes have to make some hard calls.
I mean, if he wants to get the governor his
own lawyer to defend this, this or the or this
Partner of Commerce and the and the legislature of their
own lawyer to defend this unconstitutional enactment, you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Know he should probably do that.

Speaker 19 (02:03:01):
I wouldn't have I wouldn't defend this if I were
the attorney general of the state.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
So the fund amount of point here is, and you
make a good argument, and there's like mountains of case
law on the idea that governments can't take property without
at least to give it to private individuals. I mean,
there's all been all kinds of case law on confiscating
property for the greater good. You have to be paid
for it, though, like if they want to build a
park or right something along those lines. So that I

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guess the point to that is, even though the budget changed,
the law and put this permanent achievement provision in there
saying after ten years or whatever, this is our money.
Of the one point seven billions is our money that
does not override constitutional principles. Is what you're found is
the foundation of your lawsuit.

Speaker 14 (02:03:44):
That's that's correct.

Speaker 19 (02:03:46):
Laws have to look a governor and the members of
legislatures swore an oath to the content follow the Constitution,
and they didn't do that, and so we think the
courts will hold them accountable for that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
So now who's going to answer them half of the state, Well, we.

Speaker 19 (02:04:03):
Serve the state, and the Attorney General represents the state.
The Attorney General can decide that they that they're conflicted
or that they can't defend something that's unconstitutional, and in
that case they would have the option of providing separate
appointed council to to the We've sued the Director of Commerce,
we've sued the administrator of the fund, We've sued the

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state treasurer uh, and we've sued that they've created already.
The first day after the budget passed, they created this
new Facilities Commission, which, by the way, also has the
capacity to give some money to the to another billionaire
in Cincinnati for the for the Bengal state. Yeah, and
to the and to the and to another billionaire for
improvements to the Red Stadium. So that that that that

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committee already been already been constituted.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Well, hopefully you prevail on your lawsuit and we can
stop that from happening. That's a real source spot for
a lot of Hamilton County residents, my friend, a very
very sore spot. Well, i'll tell you what, it has
been a pleasure talking with me, Mark Dan. I wish
you all the best on the lawsuit. And I suppose,
uh what thirty days to answer otherwise? Please, then you
move for summary judgment right out of the gate.

Speaker 19 (02:05:11):
Right right, Well, we're going to move for a preliminary
junction because we want to make sure that money doesn't
move anyuary first and then and then and then they'lp.
I expect they'll answer with emotion to dismiss.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
That's what artification is.

Speaker 9 (02:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Well, I practice the cases for sixteen years, so I
know the process. But I see it. But I do
see a summary judgment motion looming on the horizon.

Speaker 5 (02:05:32):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
It's a purely legal issue, it is.

Speaker 19 (02:05:34):
And uh and and I think and I don't think
it's even a close fall. Uh and so we we
but we shall see. And look, they think they bought
the OHU Supreme Court. And that's literally what the one
of the articles that I read yesterday, that's what the
Senate President said. He goes, well, they may win in
the lower courts, but you know, we'll we'll, we'll fix
this in the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 19 (02:05:58):
I'm sure Jimmy Haslam starts to write checks to Supreme
Court justices already.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
I just wonder what Jimmy Haslam has by way of
a dirty inside information, because how this got in there
is still just a puzzle to me. Sir Mark Dan,
a real pleasure having you on the program today. Keep
up the great work and I listen man. I will
reach out to you, or you can reach out to us.
You've got good updates. You want to talk about Shenanigan's
going on or anything else on this lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
You have an open forum here on the fifty five
KRC Morning Show. Appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Look forward to talking to you again.

Speaker 3 (02:06:31):
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But Neil, it is what it is. It's the world
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Speaker 3 (02:08:42):
They just clone your voice and it sounds just like you,
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individual posing as Rubio used AI generated voice make it
sound like him to call a bunch of high level
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who this person is so far reportedly contacted at least
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this The individual haven't yet been able to identify him
or her reportedly used AI software to send the government
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They believe the impostor is likely trying to manipulate these
officials with the goal of gaining access again to information
and or accounts. An individual reportly began using the impersonation
attempts back in mid June, using both text messaging and
messaging and encrypted messaging under signal. That's the app under

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the display name Marco dot Rubio at State dot Gov,
which happens to not be his real email address. Sure
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the actor left voicemails on signal for at least two
targeted individuals in one instant sent a text message inviting
the individual to communicate on signal. It's not known whether

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any of these officials actually responded to the impostor, but
the cable from the State Department reveals also that other
US State Department employees were impersonated with fake email addresses.
State Department told the Washington Posts will carry out a
thorough investigation and continue to implement safeguards to prevent this

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from happening in the future. Didn't disclose the names of
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the fake messages sent. It's the painful, stark reminder that
no one is immune from this kind of thing.

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column this morning, so I always enjoy your column, you know,
I love it. Searching for Monsters is the title, but
it involves a subject matter over which I really didn't
have a whole lot of knowledge and familiarity. And that's
the whether it's lawful or not for us to go
to some foreign country and kidnap someone. And I know
we've done this before, and you cite a bunch of

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illustrations and it almost seems like and I know it's
against natural law, and make a great argument that this
isn't right. But if someone has committed a harm against
our country, I hear about people fleeing to countries that
don't have an extradition treaty with the United States. That
means we can't negotiate with the country to have them
export the guy and bring him back here. But what

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of going to that country and just picking him up
and bringing him back. Now, if you got harmed under
our country, one can make a moral argument that, well,
that seems okay. They won't extra di iteem because we
don't have a treaty. But the guy did us harm,
Let's go pick him up and bring him back and
put him to trial.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
But as you explain, and.

Speaker 3 (02:13:33):
This is puzzling to me, crime is committed against someone
outside of the United States, not against the United States
or its interest. We can go and grab that person
and try him in our country for crimes committed against
some other government or some other outside the United States interest.

Speaker 20 (02:13:54):
I ask, yes, as absurd as that sounds. And I
gave an example, and it was the back pages of
the New York Times. If you didn't know the background,
you would say, oh, some Venezuela in general just pleaded
guilty to drug dealing in Manhattan. I'm glad they caught
the guy. However, he pleaded guilty to distributing drugs in Venezuela,

(02:14:20):
not in the United States.

Speaker 7 (02:14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (02:14:22):
He then left Venezuela, retired in Spain. The United States
tried to extradite in the Spanish courts said no, you
have no jurisdiction over him, so they kidnapped him. Anyway,
he shows up in an American court. He says, I
was kidnapped. The court said, well, I don't care. The
Feds can kidnap you. He pleads guilty to these crimes

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in Venezuela. So far there is no connection to the
United States except the Congress enacted in the Biden administration
legislation telling federal judges, if the FEDS, the FBI, and
an assistant US attorney walk into your courtroom with a
human being and an indictment, you have to try that person,

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even at the human beings never been in the United States,
never harmed a person in the United States, never harmed
assets in the United States, and all the events took place.

Speaker 1 (02:15:16):
In another country. Now, why is the government doing this?

Speaker 20 (02:15:19):
They probably want him to trade information against their real target,
who's his former boss, Nicholas Maduro, who is the president
slash dictator of Venezuela. In the meantime, kidnapping, exhaustion of
a tremendous amount of resources and assets to get this

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guy here, and the use.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
Of the federal courts.

Speaker 20 (02:15:44):
As a point, this also allows the President of the
United States, who is the ultimate person running the Department
of Justice, to pick anybody wants around the world and say,
indict that guy for some crime he committed in some
other country and for which he wasn't executed, and get
him here.

Speaker 16 (02:16:01):
That's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
I don't understand how that represents a judicial controversy in
a US court. How do you get an indictment against
someone for a crime committed under somebody of some other
committed in some other country. Okay, drug trafficking is illegal
in the United States, but you know that's a US law.
I don't know what the status of the law is

(02:16:23):
in Venezuela. But picking up a guy in Spain for
a crime he committed in Venezuela in violation of Venezuela
in law. I mean, I'm just perplexed by this. And
you pointed out the US Supreme Court does not care
a wit about what happened behind the scenes as long
as that person's in front of the court itself. They
don't care if he was kidnapped or had his due

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process rights violent, or anything else.

Speaker 20 (02:16:46):
Correct, The Supreme Court does not care how a person
got into the courtroom. This has been a long standing
complaint by the natural law libertarian small government people, of
which you and I are two in American jurisprudence, but
it's been a consistent understanding of federal courts. The Feds

(02:17:08):
can kidnap anybody and bring him into the courtroom, and
his complaint that I was kidnapped these people violated the
very laws that they are attempting to enforce.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
Will fall on deaf ears.

Speaker 20 (02:17:24):
The Feds often commit crimes in order to solve crimes.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
Let's face it.

Speaker 20 (02:17:29):
The classic case is a federal judge in Denver this
is now twenty five years ago, tried for bribery, and
in that case, the Feds bribed a witness to testify
against him. He was convicted, and the Tenth Circuit overturned it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
So this stuff happens all the time.

Speaker 20 (02:17:47):
They almost always get away with it. We'll see where
the case of this general goes. He's still in Manhattan,
he's still in a jail here. He's probably trying to
give them enough information so they'll say to the federal
judge before whom he pleaded guilty last week.

Speaker 16 (02:18:03):
And let him go back to Spain.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
Whole thing is a farce. It's an abuse of of
the rule of law.

Speaker 3 (02:18:10):
Well, and you raise an excellent point in your uh,
in your rhetorical question, is it lawful for the Chinese
government to enter Hawaii and kidnap an American tech executive
or politician for some crime that they claim has been
done and violates the US law for example? Right that
it's just it becomes a question whose ox is being going.
Oh no, we would screen bloody murder if that happened.
That what the Chinese kidnap somebody who took him to China.

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This is an outrage.

Speaker 20 (02:18:35):
You're you're exactly you're exactly right, and and these these
cases should be on the front page. So that the
public as has outraged this you and I rather than
on the back page. And if you read the article,
not knowing the background, you think, oh, well, they picked
up another drug trafficker and he's an ex general and blad, it's.

Speaker 5 (02:18:55):
Going to jail.

Speaker 20 (02:18:55):
No, he didn't violate any American laws. He probably didn't
even violate any Venezuelan laws the way they are understood
and enforced in Venezuela.

Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
Yeah, and that's what I was alluding to earlier. I
obviously do not know the state of Venezuelan law. But
the idea that we were trying a guy for committing crime,
allegedly committing crimes in Venezuela in a US court, that
we kidnap I it's I just am sitting here totally
in sense, in my mind, is blown that that exists.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
It used to be, though there was a limitation. It
was justified.

Speaker 3 (02:19:31):
To redress criminal harm actually caused by the kidnapp person
to an American person or property, or he pointed out
earlier in the Biden administration. In twenty twenty two, Congress
extended that authority in federal courts to cover crimes committed
in foreign countries against foreign persons.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
So there's a law on the books that authorizes this.

Speaker 20 (02:19:53):
Yes, it not only authorizes it, it tells federal judges
that Jay, they have jurisdiction under that clause in the
Constitution that lamentable Jimmy Madison, clause that lets the Congress
expand or contract federal judicial jurisdiction. They expanded it and

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said you will try it. I would throw it out
and say it's not just isshable. But that's me And
I was not a federal judge. I was a state judges,
you know, And I never had anything like this. This
stuff is of relatively recent vintage. The statute that I
cite is only three years old.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:20:32):
So we've extended federal courts authority over foreign lands and
over foreign crimes.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (02:20:40):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (02:20:40):
So expect the Feds to pick up a Russian soldier
who killed a Ukrainian civilian and they'll be tried in
the Eastern District of Virginia where the Feds never lose,
and will be sentenced to jail for the rest of
his life. And then they'll trade him with some American
basketball player that's an Moscow jail.

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:21:02):
And I presume the CIA the ones responsible for going
out and doing the kidnapping in most of these cases.

Speaker 20 (02:21:08):
Sadly, Yes, yes, there are six CIA agents who can't
go to Europe because a European wide indictment still stands
for their having kidnapped an Egyptian cleric, brought him to
Egypt for torture, and then came back.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
To the United States.

Speaker 20 (02:21:28):
They've been indicted by Italian magistrates and that indictment still stands.
George Bush can't go to Europe because he and Dick
Cheney and indicted by a Spanish magistrates.

Speaker 3 (02:21:40):
So well, under our theory, then it will be aoka
for whatever Italy has by way of special forces to
come in here and kidnap those CIA agents and bring
them back to Italy.

Speaker 20 (02:21:52):
Yes it would, Yes, it would. If the logic behind
the American use of kidnapping applies universally, it would make
perfect sense for the Italian intel people to kidnap these
the CIA guys and put them on trial in Italy
and they'll be convicted because what they did is on tape.

Speaker 3 (02:22:17):
Judge of Polton an enlightening discussion again an area that
I was really not familiar with at all, and it's
obviously I share with you. This outrageous a system and
the state of the law that we were living under
right now in the United States. It's just mind blowing
but refreshing to talk with you about it and bring
it to everybody's attention so more people know about it.

(02:22:38):
Judge entered Apolitano judging Freedom is his podcasts. Who are
you going to be talking to today, your honor?

Speaker 20 (02:22:43):
I have Max plmouthal of Colonel Larry Wilgerson, the former
chief of staff for Colon Powell, and the great Phil Giraldi,
the CIA agent who told George Bush that said Don
Mussein does not have weapons of mass destruction, whereupon Bush
threw him out of the oval.

Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Yes, indeed, it's amazing what we actually learn over time,
isn't it. It's refreshing at least get the information out,
even if it's way past due until next Wednesday, my
dear friend, have a wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:23:10):
Week you as well.

Speaker 20 (02:23:12):
Thank you, Brian, all the best.

Speaker 1 (02:23:13):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:23:13):
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Speaker 3 (02:23:22):
One more imitational listener, lunch wandering Monstersbury Beachmont Avenue. We
usually meet around eleven thirty. It's sort of a rough
time frame. You can show up a little earlier, you
can show up a little later. But as long as
you show up and enjoy the fellowship, you'll you'll find
out if you've never been to a listener lunch, everybody
shows up, it's like, oh, what a bunch of nice people,
and they really are. You had a bunch of like
minded folks, everybody just looking to have a really nice time,

(02:23:43):
engage in conversation and get along. You'll be in good
hands today at listener Lunch. So I hope to see
you there. Just put it down on your calendar. And
usually the first Wednesday of the month, usually September. That's
not going to be the case, of course, this this
month not the case. It's obviously the ninth, the second
Wednesday of the month because the fourth of July or

(02:24:04):
Independence Day holiday, and we've got that Labor Day coming
up in September, so we'll kick it off a week there.
I'll let you know where we're going to be down
the road. Let's see here, Ah, I was talking about violence,
and we do have a lot of violence going on
as there's been a topic of conversation in Cincinnati of late,

(02:24:24):
But moving away from that and thinking of violence from
political standpoint, four years of the Biden administration and I'm
sure during the Obama administration, the big concern is all
these right wing extremists out there. It's oh my god,
the concern is right wing extremism. I personally haven't really
seen any illustrations of that, at least not for a
wide scale. I did see cities shut down, molotov cocktails

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being thrown, graffiti being written by the likes of Antifah
and Black Lives Matter and other left wing protest groups.
I do see Jewish people getting harmed on campus and
being deprived of their ability to get an education and
utilize the benefit of the outr Some they pay every
hour for a credit hour of education. Sorry sucks to BEU.
If you're on one of these elite college campuses and

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you're Jewish, we're coming after you. These are all crazy,
crazy people out there, and they're the ones violating the law.
But what I find most troubling about this in the
most recent illustration and example of this, the attack on
ice officers. We had an Antifas cell in North Texas,

(02:25:27):
attacking ice officers and what seemed to be a coordinated
effort to actually kill somebody. They've been Ten of them
have been charged with attempted murder, according to the US
Attorney's Office North the District of Texas. After approximately ten
minutes of convening, one or two individuals broke off from
the main group and began to spray graffiti on vehicles
and a guard structure in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
Of the facility. This is at the ice facility.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
An Alvarado police officer responded to the scene after correction
officers called nine to one one to report suspicious activity.
When the Alvarado police officers arrived, one alleged defendant position
in a nearby woods shot the officer in the neck.
Another assailant crossed the street fired twenty to thirty rounds
at unarmed correctional officers who had stepped outside the facility

(02:26:14):
as a legend the complaint. Air style rifles were found
at the scene. The assailants fled from the detention centers,
reportedly stopped by additional law enforcement officers down the road.
Some of the defendants wearing body armor, some were armed,
some had two a radios. Total of twelve sets of
body armor were found during searches of vehicles associated with
the defendants, on their persons or in the area. Additionally,

(02:26:36):
officers found spray paint flyers stating quote fight ice terror
with class war. There's a little indication of the political leanings.
Free all political prisoners, and a flag stating resist fascism,
fight oligarchy. One attacker had cell phone inside of a
Faraday bag, which, of course Faraday bag block their use

(02:26:58):
and tracking ability. Individuals charge in one complaint with three
counts of attempted murder and federal agents of federal agents
rather than three counts of discharging firearms in relation to
a crime of violence. So you got all this violence
going on, they're just this one illustration of people attacking
ICE agents.

Speaker 1 (02:27:15):
Why might they do that?

Speaker 3 (02:27:17):
We'll just look at the most recent comments from Mayor
Brandon Johnson in Chicago as well as Los Angeles Mayor
Karen Bass. They're advocating for this. The person in charge,
the person's response supposed to be responsible for upholding law
and order, are advocating people interfere with ice. Johnson said,

(02:27:41):
chicagoan should rise up against ice, so our local police
department will never ever cooperate with Ice. Whatever their constitutional
authority is. And I does have the constitutional authority. As Feds,
they can come in and force federal law. That's what
they're entitled to. These elected officials aren't out loud saying,

(02:28:02):
you know, go ahead and shoot them and attack them,
but they sure are suggesting it without saying the words
completely and across the board. I suppose they're right to
engage in free speech and discourse about this, but this
is inciting citizenry to prevent federal authorities from engaging in

(02:28:23):
their obligation, engaging in their job function, which is to
enforce federal immigration law, which is what they're doing. The
laws are on the books. You got a problem with
the laws and elect different people. So it's not the
right that's the problem right now, it seems to be
the left. Kevin, you get the final word of the

(02:28:43):
Morning Show. Welcome to the Morning Show.

Speaker 9 (02:28:46):
Hey, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 10 (02:28:48):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:28:48):
It's sir aloud and clear.

Speaker 9 (02:28:51):
Hey, you're absolutely right, brothers. Hey, we have a issue when.

Speaker 1 (02:28:55):
It comes down to gun violence.

Speaker 7 (02:28:57):
It's actually affecting here in Cincinnati. Crazy you and you've
seen it, and and our seniors are not happy. People
are not happy. Our seniors are not happy. Then you
take then you take a look. Did you see the
article that they just released through the Cincinnati Inquired where
Cincinnati spent on anti anti violence programs. UH, when it

(02:29:21):
came down to.

Speaker 1 (02:29:23):
The holistic approach with the mayor, UH.

Speaker 7 (02:29:25):
With the mayor strategy, when it comes down to reducing
gun violence is not working, then he wants to shift
the blame. Now, he wants to shift the blame onto
the parents and everything else. But then he come out
with then they throw all this money to these programs
that was posed to deal with it, to reduce this
gun violent problem. But we're having a massive impact of
gun violence.

Speaker 1 (02:29:45):
We sure are, We sure are, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (02:29:48):
And there in lies the challenge and we've got like
I said, I talked about Mayor Bass and Brandon Johnson
and or encouraging and egging on violence. But we have
an administration here in the city Purvoll and our counselors
who aren't saying a thing, who are not rising to
the challenge of the gun violence we're facing, which is
getting worse and worse every single week, something that with

(02:30:09):
the citizenry wants which is safe streets and safe communities,
and and and and and and shelling out money to
non governmental organizations to engage in some collaborative process or
do whatever you know, hocus focus that they claim they're
doing to stop the gun violence. As you point out, Kevin,
isn't working. We need strong leadership, and we need support

(02:30:29):
of our SINN police officers.

Speaker 7 (02:30:31):
And we definitely need a more support than the courts.
That what I find out is that the problem is
not even with the police officers, it's with the court.
And then I'm talking to police officers out there in
the field right now during this campaign rally. I'm literally
finding out the officers are doing their job. What I
found it why not? What bobbles my mind? What an

(02:30:51):
officer told me yesterday was and I ain't gonna mention
his name, but he just explained to me that how
there you you got, you got you go lock a
guy up for a brick a kilo for maybe thirty years,
but this this other guy gets only complee out for
two murders for eight years.

Speaker 1 (02:31:11):
Yeah, Kevin, You're right man.

Speaker 3 (02:31:14):
That's that's that's where the rubber meets the road is
sentencing an enforcement of the law. It's in front of
a judge, and quite often the judges aren't interested in
meeting out justice, they're interested in letting people out. Appreciate
the call, Kevin, You're always welcome to call on the
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