55KRC Wednesday Show - Jack Atherton, AFP, Tom Clavin, Judge Napolitano, Laketa Cole

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On fifty five KRC, the talk station five O five
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The news goes. It is Santa very happy Wednesdays. I
mentioned Brine Thomas right here. Glad to see Joe, Jrek
or where belongs right there in the Executive Productions booth.
I'm glad to see the rundown this morning. Joe always
doing a great job linning up guests. And I love
Wednesdays for a variety of reasons, most notably the Big
Picture with Jack Ada and every Wednesday seven o five
today his topic truly affordable healthcare. Does Jack Atherden have

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the magic bullet for affordable healthcare? I suppose he does.
I'm sure it doesn't involve a government solution anyway. We
get to learn together from Jack Aviden, as we do
every Wednesday at seven oh five, Donald and' neil Americans prosperity.
Do him or have him on every Wednesday at seven thirty. Today, Jay,
if you're out there, we're gonna be talking about property

(01:23):
taxes with Donovan O'Neil, one of my favorite subjects of
late Tom Craven's got a book, Running Deep. See here.
Tom's going to join the program at eight oh five
to talk about Running Deep. Let's see you here. Running
deeple appeal to fans of the Hunt for Red October

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and The Run Silent, Run Deep. Got submarine warfare, high stakes,
deadly outcomes, compelling storytelling about a vital portion of the
war in the Pacific theater submariner. Mike Cribbage, Mike, you
out there, better tune in an eight oh five. Got
one of your buddies writing a book about submarine life.
Judge Napolitano a Trumpian headache. It's another article about using

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military force to kill people in speedboats in international waters
fifteen hundred miles away from the United States. The Judge
and I share our I share the same objection to that.
Neither of us believe it to be constitutional or lawful.
I know, if we have an eminent threat, we're allowed
to go after somebody. But just because the drugs are

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fifteen hundred miles away and are intended, perhaps we don't
know what those people are thinking are intended for the
shores of the United States. We do have our own
territorial waters where we can easily grab them. Look, if
we can track a submarine fifteen hundred two thousand miles away,
we can probably follow it to the coast of the
United States of America, send out the coast Guard and

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pick it up. Maybe drop a depth charge or something.
I don't know, but anyway, that's at least the subject
of his article. Maybe other topics to talk about. Maybe
the judge wants to talk about a shutdown by the way,
the governments still shut down after after Judge Eden of Poultano.
I'm interested in having Lakeita Cole on the program. Look,
she's on the program beginning at the last segment of

(03:09):
the program, Charter Committee Canada for Sinceei City Council. We'll
talk about police Chief Teresa Thiji and we'll talk about
her campaign. Lookita Cole coming up at the tail end
of the show in the eight o'clock hour. I love
hearing from you. If you got a comment, maybe about
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at eight thirty The Inside Scoop with Bright Bart News.
John Bender returned to the program. That was yesterday at
eight oh five. We got the Empower You Mike McCormick thing.
My son produced that last night. He does help out

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with empower You and Pretty Eye Opening. My wife watched it.
I was at a fun fundraiser for Corey Bauman last night.
The good people of Wyoming, I know, a very blue
leaning community, but they have a lot of conservative minded folks.
But they also have a lot of concern for what
goes on the city of Cincinnati. Why because Wyoming butts
fight up against the City of Cincinnati, and the elections

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in the City of Cincinnati, as I've pointed out many
times over the years, impact the entire region. I mean
Butler County, Warren County, Claremont County. Of course, all the
people in Hamilton County got Northern Kentucky impacted by the
actions of the city of Cincinnati. Even some carryover into
Southeast Indiana to a certain degree, it's important what they do.
It's the well, the center of the wheel. And so

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of course, the closer you get to the city of
Cincinnati's borders, the more the city's activities and decision making
impacts you. And that, of course resulted in a lot
of people in Wyoming interested in hearing what Corey Bowman
is about, what he is running for, what his policies are,
and maybe providing him with some financial support, maybe some
yard signs, maybe reaching out and talking to the people

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that they know in the city. And it was good
because Corey asked people to raise their hands. Anybody in
this room have businesses in downtown Cincinnati? About four or
five people raise their hand. Does anybody in the room
have relatives or friends that live in the city of Cincinnati.
A whole bunch of people raise their hand, So appeal
to them. Listen, you know you're impacted. Can you reach out?
And and that's a great thing. And I'm going to
ask my listeners you might not live in the city,

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and you might not. Now why has Thomas spent so
much time talking about the Cincinnati election. Well, I just
explained that it's critically important, but you have influence and
sway over people who might not even consider going in
and voting when you only expect twenty five or six
percent voter turnout. Your vote is so important if you
live in the city, So engage in some outreach. Call

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up your friends, your residents in the city. You know them.
I have a conversation with him. Listen, you're happy about
I have to have provoll Do you believe he's paying
attention to the needs of the city residents. Do you
think he really has an action plan that's going to
effectively deal with crime? Do you believe he's effectively dealt
with crime thus far? Do you believe that he was
a appropriate in his treatment of police Chief Threes the
Thigi I was Cheryl Long. Now Cheryl Long took the

(06:04):
directive from Aftab. Aftab is looking for cover, and there's
some internal pulling floating around out there, which suggests maybe
Aftab is in trouble. I don't want to interject too
much optimism on this, because I'm a realist. I understand
what a colossal Sissophian battle that Corey Bowman is facing
when he's challenging a Democrat mayor incumbat of course, in

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a very blue city, but there's a lot of very
angry sow I say, red in the face, angry Blue
voters that may turn their back on the status quo.
And that's why I thought it was so refreshing to
see all those residents of Wyoming showing up at the
meeting and finding out about what Corey Bowman is, maybe
seeing him for the first time. And I appreciate the

(06:47):
opportunity to be there. Tara, thank you for inviting me
to facilitate that. It was a wonderful opportunity. Yesterday, Police
Chief Theji's lawyer was out made some really good points.
Finny Law Firm. Stephen m of the Fiddy Law Law Firm,
in a written statement which he read to the press,
called the decision putting her on administrative leave disheartening, describing

(07:12):
Chief Thigi as devastated and the fundamental point, which I
thought was an excellent one, they had no reason of
taking any action against her, he said. In fact, the
city does not even have a claim or does not
even claim to have a cause for removing her from
her job. And think about that, it's a very valid point.

(07:32):
Why was Police Chief Thiji removed because of what crime?
Isn't she limited in her ability to deal with crime,
because of course she's been told by the mayor and
the city manager how to run the operation. But she's
also short staffed a lot. She's got to juggle the
walls of dealing with overtime and some really exhausted police officers.

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She's got to deal with a declining number of police
officers because so many of them are taking early retirement.
But his point, he elaborated, to a certain degree, the
governed the city's government by the city charter, And he
pointed out, and I'm going to take him at his word,
after six months of employment, she can only be dismissed

(08:13):
for cause. This is not at will employment. Apparently, now
in the state of Ohio, you and I are subject
to at will employment unless we've got a contract, unless
we have got, say a union, or we have a
charter that specifically deals with the terms and conditions of
our employment. We out here in the private sector don't
have that. But apparently the city charter requires cause for dismissal. Now,

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what is it that she did that creates the cause
to have her removed? His point, Stephen, nothing. Then, he said,
she's being used as a political scapegoat. And political pond
terror deserves better than this, since I deserves better than this. Well,
I stopped when I read that statement. I thought, you know, what,

(09:00):
did I have to have Purval think he was going
to get some benefit from removing Chief Dji. I mean
she was hand selected by him and Cheryl Long, hand
selected by him and Cheryl Long over the police department's
best wishes. They had somebody else in mind, and they
overwhelming and rejected Diji and went with someone else. I'm sorry,
I can't remember his name or her name, but the

(09:22):
point being the leader of the folks or the leader
of the police right selected by purv all along, which
is not what the police wanted. So their person was
in charge, and by all accounts, and ken Kober's been
on the program talking about this, widely reported. Of course,
she answered to both of them obviously a very politically

(09:44):
charged job, since the mayor and the city manager had
the opportunity to fire her, I guess with cause we
went down this road with Mike Washington. Michael Washington, former
fire chief. He's getting ready to get big fat payday
because city manager Long and after a parball, canned him

(10:05):
for no reason. Ah, they didn't learn anything which makes
me go back to think about this plan. If she
is intended to be the scapegoat, if sort of look
over there, Thiji's to blame for crime in the city,
says have to have parble through Cheryl Long. Whatever does
that make sense to you? Are you buying that or
do you feel more like well, is he in desperation mode?

(10:27):
Is he really so concerned about his reelection capable or
his reelection that he needs to deflect attention? I don't know.
It just seems like a dumb political maneuver. If if really,
in fact, he hopes that we all believe Fiji's responsible
for all of this. Anyway, Fiji Apparently, according to her attorney,

(10:52):
she wants to go back to work as police chief.
She does not want to leave the police department. She
will not accept a lesser position. She has no plan
to resign at all, even though the city apparently asked
her to resign late last week. Em said she was
given no reason for that request, She did not initiate

(11:13):
discussions about her resignation, and she had no desire to resign.
She has no desire to resign. She has no intention
to resign. Close quote well, he made that pretty clear,
didn't he? So where did this Where did this drum
beat to go after Police Chief dj come from? Anyway? Hmm?

(11:33):
Obviously politics are a play here. We have an election
fast approaching. I just wonder if the residents of the
city as little as they pay attention to politics generally.
And I'm sorry I didn't sound like such a critic.
There's some residents of the city out there screaming at
the radio at me and go, well, now we saw
we pay attention. Fine. Is there gonna be enough time
for the voters in the city of SINCEINNI who are

(11:53):
going to show up to absorb all this and process
it and try to make some sense out of it.
I don't know. In a statement yesterday, Aftab par Ball
said he was referring to a meeting that he had
with interim Police Chief Henny. During that meeting, we discussed

(12:13):
his plan emphasis on greater use of technology, visibility, and
rapid response to critical incidents. In other words, the future
of crime fighting in downtown Cincinnati with the new interim
police chief. I suppose Aftab, since he was directing Police
Chief Dji all along about how she should conduct law enforcement,
probably could have sat down with her last week and

(12:35):
had this same conversation, Hey, Chief DJ, let's talk about
technology visibility, let's talk about rapid response to critical incidents.
And this is an please, dear God if you know
the answer to what the hell this means? And I
kind of think I do, but I don't know because
this statement all I got is the statement from Parl
Ball from yesterday. All right, So during the meeting, we
discussed his plan Eversi's love of technology, rapid response incidence.

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And here's the further quote on top of spearheading the
recommendations from the Climate Assessment. What the hell is that?
You know? I first read that, knowing how green have
to have purvol is and how his emphasis seems to
be almost exclusively on green energy policies and reducing carbon

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emissions from the city of Cincinnati. Pardon me, wanted to
believe that's exactly what he was talking about. What are
we dealing with the police chiefs or the police department's emissions? Now, actually,
maybe the Climate Assessment is this evaluation they're doing on
police Chiefdiji, which her lawyer pointed out is like reverse engineering.
We've seen this with like the federal government administration. You

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go out into the world. You have no indication that
any wrongdoing has happened, Go through the records, violate people's
constitutional rights, and then discover a crime and then prosecute
him for a crime that you had no probable cause
to believe had been committed. Here asked about the investigation
of the city is conducting into Thiji and who would
be responsible for it? Her lawyers, Your guess is as

(14:07):
good as mine. Here we go. This is a situation
where a sentence has already been passed on Terry, and
now the city is looking to see if they can
find a crime that she committed. In other words, they
have no basis to terminate her under the city charter.
There is no cause to dismiss or pause for a

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moment to run administrative leave. Rifle through the records, rifle
through her conduct. Talk to some police officers, see if
we can't drum up some things to charge her with
and provide a justification for firing her. Five twenty fifty
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of things going on this morning, looking forward to phone calls,
and of course, bottomly our news stack is stupid. I'll

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be right back fifty five farm five twenty three three
fifty eight tennity two to three pound five fifty one eighth.
He found, you know, further to this whole Fiji thing,
nobody seems to have any idea what's going on. Scott
Wortman over the Inquirre trying to get some comments from

(15:09):
since A council members. They pretty much have no idea.
Frustrated one word used to describe the situation. Court of
Warpman's reporting, Some city council members who talk with the
enquire express frustration. Quote from city councilman Jeff Crammertin, I'm
very frustrated this is happening in public, meaning this employment dispute.

(15:33):
I think, as he characterized it, personnel decisions, he said,
are the responsibility of the city manager. Well, of course,
but the person who's in charge of the Cincinnti Police Department,
the appointment of that person is always subject to scrutiny.
It's always been followed and reported on every time they
go out into the world looking for a replacement for

(15:53):
the chief because one retires. If something happens, Chief Craig
leaves or whatever, it's always reported. And of course this
reflects a breakdown in the administration, the current administration, I
might it. So it's very newsworthy to talk about this,
So he can be frustrated all day long. But this
is a personal decision which widely impacts the residents of
the city. So yes, it's gonna be reported. Vice marriage

(16:16):
A Michelle lemon Kearney. I'm sure the chief is still
in charge. Although she said that on Monday, we all
know that, No, she is no longer in charge. Scottie
Johnson countsman. It's an administrative issue that I don't have
a clue about. I don't know what's going on his words.
All I know is what you guys are reporting now.

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Isn't that a reflection of a poorly oiled machine, this administration.
Don't you think it would be important. He's purvol surrounded
by Democrats, are all the same stripe. Don't you think
he would set it out for him. Here's what's going on,
Here's why I'm doing this. You're gonna all get ask
questions about it. I want to be clear with you.
I want to be open with you. I want to
give you the explanation of why this is going on. No, nothing,

(17:07):
it is a personal decision. Council members aren't a part
of the decision making process, but they're certainly interested in
the outcome and how we got from there to hear
AFTAB going back to a suggestion by Christopher Smithman, it's
an outstanding one. More and more people. I'm going to

(17:29):
even ask Lakidicle to tell into the program when she's
on if she likes the idea. Rather than let the
manager and the mayor be exclusively responsible for hiring and
firing the chief, obviously politicizing the role heavily, why not
require one hundred percent unanimous approval from the entire council
when hiring and firing a police chief. I think that's

(17:53):
a great idea. We'll see what happens for twenty six.
A new administration might bring that kind of change about
having dealt with this nonsense. Don't go away, We've got
local stories or phone calls. Be right back fifty five
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It's always good to hear from you. I happy eat Wednesday,
Thank good morning.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I I definitely take advantage of the the iHeart Podcast,
and thank you Joe Strecker for getting it all put
together and and putting it in there and editing it
as far as the you know when when it starts
and stops and commercials and all that stuff. Uh, great
job by Joe as usual. But I get to I
get to start. I get to listen to the start

(18:49):
of the show as I'm finishing getting ready to go
to work and uh jumping the car, turn the radio
on and uh turn the app off. So uh that
that helped me out. And then throughout the course of
the day, like yesterday, I got to listen to your
to the Smith event, uh yesterday, so that that was
good day. Late, but you know, and I get it

(19:10):
in when I can, so I definitely, I definitely take
advantage of the of the iHeart app uh, and much
appreciated for everyone involved in putting it together.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
So this silliness down in in Cincinnati it's just getting
better and better every day. And uh, I mean, listening
the way you're describing everything, it's obviously these people just
feel so comfortable in their little Democrat cocoon. Nobody's gonna
you know, nobody could do anything to them. I mean
that nobody could stop them from doing the Uh. For

(19:43):
a for a council member to say, I have no
idea what's going on with what's happening with the police chief,
I mean, that's just that just sounds like they're a
bunch of bubbling idiots or or Brian, they're liars. It's
either one or the way. Those don't have any business

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running a major city in the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You're either incompetent orre you a lying to us, in
which case you don't deserve my vote.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't, I mean, I don't understand. I'm still to
this day, do not understand the thinking of your basic
voter who just say, oh, Democrats, Oh Democrats are what's
best for me.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
You aren't.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
You aren't paying attention. You really aren't. There's no way
you can be. And so for their listeners there that
that either are Cincinnati voters or no and or no
people that vote in Cincinnati. You have what's being put
in front of you and what's being said about but
you have options. You have people who are coming in

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and saying, I have a better way of doing something.
Here's my proposal, here's my suggestion on what we should
do differently. And so look at what's going on and
then looking at what you're hearing different and make a
decision and what's best for you. Because all of these
people that have these ability to make these decisions, all

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these people and that are elected or appointed or wherever
they get in their position, they directly affect your life.
Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You can't
stick your head in the sand and not be affected
by these people. You could try to ignore it. You
can decide you don't want to do anything about it,
but it still affects you. It affects your wallet, it

(21:29):
affects the safety of your community, It affects you. You
need to take responsibility as a voter and do something
about it. My wife and I vote in every single
election that comes around in cole Rane Township. We look
at it, we check it out, we do our research,
and we vote. We go down the street and we
go to our polling place that we vote. Why Because

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this stuff affects us directly, property taxes, whatever it is,
it affects us. So I mean, if I'm just going
to sit at home, then I got nothing to complain
about out nothing. So I'm going to complain because I
get up and I vote, and I get on here
and I tell people, do something about your life, the
people that are affecting your life. Get out and vote,

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and don't vote Democrat.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Have a great day, Brian, Thanks Tom, appreciate the sentiment
as always, and see what Steve's got this morning. Steve,
thanks for calling Happy ones to you.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
Good morning.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
I just want to call and thank Joe and Tom
on the phone and you the other day for set
me straight on the judges and the complications of dealing
with judges that don't do their jobs. I had a
good interaction yesterday with the Hamlin County butler I'm sorry,
Hamlin County Service Department about uh A break in, and
then at the same time I ask them about the

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event with the.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Disposal nazis with.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
Them sixteens or AR fifteen's over the overpass while ago,
Oh yeah, And I asked about I asked about the
follow up, you know, or did they do anything? Did
they you know, is it illegal for guys with masks
to get in a pack of a bots truck and
go down the street.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know, there's no seatbelts.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
What kind of laws are there? You know, if they
were following back to their cars and getting their lives
plated numbers and doing investigations. Supposedly they came from North
they came from Tennessee, went up North Ohio, and then
came to Ohio doing this kind of pranks. But I
told him, I said, you're still affecting communities that you know,
I the white community think it would be approved of that.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Supposedly they have.

Speaker 8 (23:25):
A good investigation team that at tracked them all the
way to Tennessee. I'm like, but this is and they
are ANTIFA, supposedly, I'm like, why aren't you putting the
information out there? Let the community know that you are
investigating and investigating this stuff. Put the people's names out there,
because even if they committed misdemeanors, you know, when their
employers like to know that they're paid in TIFA that
are intimidating the black communities with guns, you know, more

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information needs to come out. Their anonymity is their weapon.
Take it away from them, expose them.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, that's in the process of happening. Actually, maybe not
locally in connections with that one incident, but ins far
as an if On and its activities are concerned. Cash
Hotel just commented on that yesterday. They are busily investigating
the money hierarchy that led to this, you know, loose
knit Antifi group. This is actually a very well oiled
machine backed by billions of dollars, and millions are actually

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hundreds of millions of dollars, So criminals, I have.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
One more thing real quick. So everybody talks about Manchi
Pelosi and her stock markets, Well, the guy that spent
on the news a lot lately is Rokahanna.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Everybody look into his trades.

Speaker 8 (24:29):
I've been following him making a lot of money off
mister Rokahana and the.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Games he plays.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
So he's on TV and stuff. Fact like, it's not
a big deal. He sold all his stocks right before
he put forth a bill for politicians not being able
to trade. Well, the timing of it was right before
that big first tariff drop, so he didn't lose any money.
He has over two hundred and thirty million dollars in
stocks find out what he's Everybody needs to look up
and see what he started with before he started being

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a politician. How much money he's made. These politicians, some
of these politicians make a lot more money than Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, and it's all out.

Speaker 8 (25:04):
It's all out there Capital Trades dot Com. Look at
the start doing follow the money and all crimes and
everything else once you start finding these people out, but
follow the politicians. I had a seventy one percent return
rate following politicians. I made one hundred and eighty thousand
dollars in sixteen months following politicians.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
The greed easy, the greased Palm index. Find out who
in the which lobbying groups are are funneling money into
a various you know, toward various representatives of senators, and
you'll hit the nail on the head of which companies
are probably going to blow up in the stock market.
Good jobs. Do you appreciate it? Keep following it, and yeah,

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keep your popcoring out for cash, matel This he said
just yesterday. FBI is on the verge of unmasking the
funding behind anti file and it is a frightening amount
of very very wealthy people and organizations of substantial size
five thirty seven right now, stick around stack a STU
bit of more phone calls. Either way we go say
okay with me, I'll be right back. Fifty five KRC

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the talk station KRC the talk station five forty one
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There's one of those moments in time when I really
wish you could see the mug shot, think of Joe
Walsh after about five years of a severe methamphetamine addiction.
That's about the best that I can paint the image here. Anyway.
We go to Habersham, County, Georgia deputy's arrested man Friday

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night after they say he took an excavator out for
a joy ride on County pop property. Danny Ross Robinson,
Are you doing that? Maybe we'll find out. Sixty six
year old Danny Ross Robinson facing charges of driving under
the influence and theft by taking a motor vehicle incident
involved a Kamatsu PC two ninety LC excavator. Is that

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the model you own, Joe, you have the third generation,
that's the three hundred. Yeah. Anyway, he was traveling in
this excavator along Old Athens Highway about quarter to eight
in the evening. Deputies responded to the Happy Way trails
way near the site of an animal shelter. Finding the

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Kamatsu excavators stopped on a private driveway. That's where they
found Robinson and arrested him. WCA. Robinson damaged a mailbox
with a thirty ton excavator, but didn't hit any other
structures and no one else was injured. All right. No
word on what he was intoxicated on drug. Ah, that

(27:51):
is true, going blind on this one. Colorado Pueblo County
Corner's Office canceled it's quote safe and sweet close quote
family friendly Halloween party due to what is described as
an ongoing concern regarding twenty four rotting corpses that were

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found in the previous Corners mortuary. Former Pueblocaddy Corner Brian
Cotter fell in out water August. In August when twenty
four decomposing bodies were discovered behind a hidden door in
the mortuary home that he owned with his brother, some
of the bodies reportedly decomposing. Four fifteen years Gotta resigned

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from his elected position as the County corner of September
and the early part of September, replaced by doctor Greg Garrek.
One of his first attempts at regaining community trust was
the whole community Halloween event at the Corner's office, but
the idea quickly met with pushback from the community. In
the face of mounting criticism, well, the office eventually canceled
the event. Our intemp was simply to provide a safe,

(28:56):
family friendly opportunity for children and families to enjoy the
holiday together, as we had provided in the past. Become clear, however,
that the event was not well received by some members
karens in the community. We recognize and respect those concerns, Assuchs.
We've decided to cancel the event. So a few people complain,
nobody has a good time, and isn't that the kind
of thing you want to do on Halloween? You know,

(29:17):
I don't believe in ghosts, I absolutely do not. I
want to believe that there's something far more beautiful and
magical and mysterious in the next life that doesn't require
me to float around on Earth being a voyeur. That
is so weird to me is that God's plan for
us to float around in nuisance people that are still alive.

(29:39):
I like to think not so not to believe in ghosts,
But if you believe in ghosts, you believe in haunted
places and spaces. Hey, you got twenty four dead bodies
been rotten for the last fifteen years. Wouldn't you think
that would be this spooky place to go? Just saying
people go to mental institutions have been closed down for
years because they claim to be haunted, you know, places
where really bad things have happened. Anyhow, somebody complain Bubble

(30:04):
burst five forty five fifty five krs DE talk Station.
Feel free to disagree with me or called out some
other more important topic. Beyond that, we're gonna stick with
stupid coming up next fifty five KRC Johnny Knoxville, He's
IO five forty nine Here fifty five krs DE talk Station.
Well back to the stacker, Stupid and of course looking
forward to seven oh five with the Big Picture with Jack,
Adam Donovan and Eil on property taxes, Jay If you're

(30:26):
out there your favorite topic coming up at seven thirty
with Dono and Neil tom Claven with his book Running Deep.
Anybody interested in submarines out there to an inn an
eight oh five. Get a copy of his book at
fifty five kr Sea dot com. Mike, You're out there,
Jude Jennenal Paul Tano on the Trumpian Headache, and Lakita
Cole gonna be joining the program. Charter Committee Canada for
since a city council. We'll jump over to the stack

(30:47):
of stupid. We got a twenty seven year old What
are your children doing? In this particular case, a sixteen
year old child out there being molested by a twenty
seven year old man who's been sentenced one month in
jail for manipulating this young girl into having sex with
him by using quote devil worship language close quotes. According
to prosecutors, Scott Preston. Farree also ordered to complete a

(31:12):
year of probation in addition to other restrictions, after the
victim's mom called the defendant's actions cruel. He was sent
in October twentieth previously pleaded guilty with a mental condition
to forcible sexual abuse and obstructing juxt justice amended to
secondary fact second degree felonies, along with sexual extortion and

(31:33):
dealing in materials harmful to a minor third degree felonies.
The plea of November last year came after the judge
ruled he was competent to stand trial but he was
still suffering from a mental condition at the time of
the offense's decision made after the defendant had been evaluated
by state doctors Accordingly, according to the reporting, January of

(31:55):
twenty twenty one, mom of the victim contacted the Sheriff's department,
reporting that she was concerned about text messages between her
daughter and this creep. She explained how the defendant was
manipulating her daughter into having sex. Court documents explained the
mother went on to say that Free had been using
some type of devil worship language to manipulate her into

(32:16):
having sex. When interviewed by deputies, girls said that he
instructed her to listen to dev and said quote Dev
would text her and tell her what she needed to
do to Scott. She went on to disclose that she
had been instructed by this dev on numerous occasions that
she needed to perform certain sex acts. Of course. She

(32:38):
explained to law enforcement that if she did not cooperate
that she and her family would be cursed and they
would pay a great price for not doing what was
required of her. She stated it out a fear for
her safety and safety of her family, she would follow
the instructions that were provided by Dev. She said that
most of these would come through text, either through Instagram
and or standard text messages what are your children looking

(33:00):
at on their smart devices? Search of the phone reveal
an extensive text stream between her and DEV that included
graphic detail instructing on where she was to meet Free
or Ferree, the sex sex that she was to perform in.
The threats that she did not comply with. The instructions
also told her to send naked photos of herself. Text
took place over a period of several months. During sentencing,

(33:25):
defense attorney asked the court to spare him from any sentence,
saying that he's been in treatment since the age of
two and is completely dependent on his parents, who are
wishing to move to Indiana. Heads Up Indiana listeners. Victim's
mom said Ferrey knew what he was doing regardless of
his mental condition. Said their daughters deserve peace and someone

(33:47):
to stand up for the pain that she experienced. Jeez, Louise,
good guy with a gun and this potation, good girl
with a gun. Brave females. Opper shot dead an alleged
creep who had been groping another customer and also who
threatened to kill everyone inside the Los Angeles beauty store

(34:09):
where this shooting occurred. Deputy showed up at a pink
beauty supply in Compton three thirty in the afternoon found
a man dead from a gunshot wound. A court to
Los Angeles Sheriff's Department official said the man entered the
store followed a female customer, who he then groped, prompting
employees to demand he leave.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
This guy became increasingly verbally assaultive towards employees and customers,
a courted the police report and started throwing and damaging
merchandise in the store. Official said the incident rapidly escalated.
Employees and customers noted that the male had an object
in his hand that they thought was a knife, and
that the male made verbal threats that he was going
to kill and harm everyone in the store. After those threats,

(34:53):
another female customer pulled out a gun and fired a
warning show out of the suspect. The man then rushed
at the armed female customer, who obviously had another bullet.
The gun squeezed off a second round, which proved to
be fatal. Police did not identify the man who was killed.
Local news there to a report that he was a

(35:15):
forty two year old with gang ties and a criminal
record including assaults, robberies, and thefts. Copp said the customer
who pulled the trigger did so out of fear for
our safety and was not arrested. She's also cooperating with
the detectives. Now up to the LA District County Attorney's
off District Attorney's office rather to decide whether she's going
to be charged. So valence footage from the beauty store

(35:36):
suggests additional customers were present during the altercation and shooting,
so there's plenty of witnesses. Internet of Things Every Friday,
Tech Friday with Dave Hatter six point thirty. I'm going
to say no on this one. I guess I understand
the motivations for why you might want it, but I
am never going to put a camera on my toilet.

(35:59):
Idea behind the toilet, Giant Cohler Dakota is the name
of the product. It's five hundred and ninety nine dollars.
It clamps over the rim of like a toilet bowl cleaner,
so it's underneath that lid, pointing an optical sensor at
your excretions and secretions, which it then analyzes, I know,

(36:21):
to detect tech things like blood, your gut, health, hydration status.
And after five hundred and ninety nine dollars to buy
the device to spy on your toilet and perhaps even you,
there's a subscription fee that they say is between seventy
and one hundred and fifty six bucks a year, depending
on your plan choice. No text Dad at toilet time.

(36:43):
You sign in via fingerprint sensor so the device knows
who's using it the article reporty please wash your hands
before signing out or tracking your progress. Then, of course
it comes with an app. You check the app for
the day's analysis and over time. No, I no, I'm

(37:09):
gonna go. I'm gonna go now. Oh Joe, Larry, I'm
sorry we're out of time in this segment, but I
want to hear what you have to say. And I
don't care what it is, but you're gonna have to
hang out for a few minutes. If you don't mind
doing that, I'll take your call as soon as we
get back after the top of the art.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
News Today's tough headlines coming up at the top of
the hours for Chicago.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
That's a great city, that's like a war zone. Fifty
five the talk station six or six here fifty five
Krose de talk station Thomas right here, wishing everybody a
very happy Wednesday, and looking forward to an hour from
now Big Picture with Jack ovanan on truly affordable healthcare.
Jack apparently has the answer to our problems. Don O'Neill

(37:55):
Americans for Prosperity, property taxes. Donovan's gonna tackle that. At
eight thirty thirty, Brother Tom Claven's going to join the show.
Running Deep, the name of his book about submarine submarines. Like, oh,
all those different submarine books she got out there, the
Tom Clancy books kind of things. Anyway, Tom Clavin running
Deep for my submarine or fans out there. Eight oh five,

(38:15):
judging Napolitano a Trumpian headache, the name of his column,
which I have a copy of in advance. We might
be a delve into more than one just topic one
topic and then Charter Committee candidate for Cincini City Council.
Open voting going on right now. Lake to Call. She'll
joined the program talking about police Chief Threes, Thigi and
the saga that's been well unfolding before our very eyes

(38:37):
and as well her campaign. So, as I promised, I'm
going to take Larry's call. He was kind enough to
hold over the brake. Larry, thanks for holding over and
welcome to the morning show.

Speaker 10 (38:47):
Yes, good morning. I would want to get an update
from me if you can about the incident downtown there
with the fellows that beat up the guy and the girl.
Are they I haven't heard anything about. Are they still
in jail? Do they have ankle monitors? And the guy
that they beat up is he did he ever get

(39:10):
released or is he still in jail? Do you have
any kind of I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I don't think the guy that got beat up. I
think that citation was issued for him slapping the other guy,
but that would not result at him being incarcerated. There's
nothing that warrants incarceration for the slap. But in so
far as the others are concerned, there was a local
store I didn't get to one of the suspects who's
facing the felony charges from the beatdown on July twenty six.

(39:35):
Apparently this guy has paranoid schizophrenia and his lawyer was
in court the other day demanding that Dominic Kittle get
the help he needs in a hospital. Apparently he lost way.
They say he's got a kidney ailman. His attorney's believing
heeds being a hospital. Common Police Judge Allison Hathway ordering
to be transferred to a psychiatric hospital once one became available,

(39:55):
but apparently the only place he can go is some
behavioral health care in roseland have a ten week weight.
There might be an illustration of a broader problem we
have in society, insufficient space where criminal folks who are
struggling from cognitive problems. Anyway, he is still incarcerated. I
do believe others are. Some of them have posted bail.

(40:17):
His bail or his bond was two hundred and ninety
thousand dollars. He does not have the money or resources
to post it, which is why he's still incarcerated. That's
the only that's the latest I've got on that one.
So things are still pending. Chargers are still filed and
keep that popcorn out Larry's I always like to joke.

Speaker 10 (40:33):
Okay, one more thing, if you don't mind one more thing.
Does Tom have a patent on his phrase? You're your
most faithful caller, Tom? Okay, because I noticed a few
people have been using a few of your other callers,
and I'm about to use it right now. I hope
we don't have a patent and I don't get sued,
but don't vote Democrat.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
There you go. Appreciate it, Larry, I appreciate the sentiment. Yeah,
And anybody can feel free to use that if you
choose not copywritten, trademarked or past words you can't get
you can't patent words can trademark them, though Tom might
want to consider that. Five one three, seven, nine fifty
eight hundred two three to found five fifty on eight
and T funds briefly, and I talked about the last hour.

(41:12):
Police Chief Dji's lawyers came out and made really great
points yesterday. They have no reason to dismiss her. Apparently
after after six months of employment, which she has been
fully employed by the City of Cincinnati forever, but also
as police chief for longer than six months, she can
only be dismissed for cause. Ner lawyer saying what what
what does she do? Said the city does not even

(41:35):
claim to have caused for removing her from the job.
It's a good point. Called her a political scapegoat, political pawn,
and I think he's onto something here, her lawyer, Stephen
M from the Finny Law firm, also parenthetically representing Michael Washington,
former police chief who's already run.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Is wrong.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
One is wrong for de termination cases just waiting to
get paid. When I asked about the investigation of the
city conducting to the THIJI and who would be responsible
for it, Attorney Steve M. Your guess is as good
as mine. This is a situation where a sentence has
already been passed on Terry, and now the city is
looking to see if they can find a crime that
she committed. H And it's kind of true, isn't it.

(42:19):
Why was she placed on administrative leave? Did you ever
hear of an explanation? City council members have no idea? Well,
I have no idea. I don't know. It's a personnel matter.
I don't know it. Don't pay attention to that kind
of stuff. Boiled down At least the council members who
are willing to talk with local media. Pretty much you
can boil down their comments to what I just summarized there, Eddie,
how we had to call earlier about the organization the

(42:45):
Antifah Folks. FBI director Cash Motellois said the astrode I
believe was FBI's on the verge of unmasking this what
he called command structure and financing in the violent anarchist
group ANTIPHA. FBI looking into the money trail, they say
there's indications of support word for anti American radical groups
from foreign enemies, money coming in from overseas, as well

(43:07):
as US nonprofits with IRS tax exemptions. He said more
indictments will be forthcoming in the investigation of the weaponization
of the government. Another parallel comment, but anyway. During the interview,
Cash Mattel explained that the effort in tracking antiphas becomes
so important that they've actually set an entire new program

(43:29):
and division dead rooting out them that is funding these operations.
So fact sheet from the September executive order declaring them
a terrorist operation. The order directs the federal government to investigate, disrupt,
and dismantle all illegal operations conducted by Antiphi or any
person claiming to act on behalf of Antiphi. It also
calls from investigating, disrupting, dismantling, and funding sources behind such operations.

(43:51):
What they're onto here, I believe is ultimately a reco charge.
You got coordinated criminal activity. It's being well funded, well organized,
and they're following this trail. He said, we got a
network of NGOs, not just Soros network, the Open Society Network,
other groups like Arabella funding network, the Tides funding network,
Neville Roy Singham in his network, and then foreign money

(44:15):
as well. So that's a serious thing. And then pivot
over to Donald Trump's success in the appeals court on
his placing the National Guard in Portland. Just recently, an
appeals court affirmed the Ninth Circuit Us Court of Appeals
of all courses court's usually very liberal overturned the lower
level decision blocking the president from deploying the Guard units

(44:37):
in Portland, Oregon. So this is a two to one decision.
But the reason I'm bringing this up now on the
heels of that Cash Bettel comment on the FBI's investigation.
The court took the time in saying Donald Trump has
the right to put these troops there to protect the
federal facilities and federal agents, and they're not enforcing state law.

(45:00):
They're not there to give traffic tickets to Portlanders like
the police department would. But here's the quote from the court,
And do you recall reading in this glorious detail all
the criminal activity that they have been conducting just there alone,
just one city among many who's been subjected to this
Antifa attax on ICE quote. Thedays and months leading up

(45:22):
to the federalization order at issue here, immigration related protests
and events have occurred at several ICE facilities around the country.
While many of these events have been peaceful, others have
been violent and even deadly. For example, September twenty fourth,
a shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas in which
one detainee was killed and two others were seriously injured.
September twenty sixth, over two hundred protesters blocked access to

(45:45):
a gate and an ICE facility in Chicago. One of
the protesters apprehended with a gun in his possession. June
twenty twenty five, regular protests at Lindquist Federal Building, an
ICE facility in Portland. Some of the protests have been peaceful,
but many have turned violin and protesters have threatened federal
law enforcement officers in the building. DHS forced to close

(46:05):
the facility for more than three weeks. June eighth, protesters
placed wood rocks and a traffic barrier, apparently to impede operations.
June eleven, demand set fire to various material Protesters compiled
the barricade and a vehicle gate, and other protesters added
to the pile of materials, increasing the flames. Protesters then
placed a pole against the main lobby entrance. June fourteenth,

(46:29):
serious incident occurred when a group of protesters, including one
who was carrying a firearm, advance up the driveway of
the ice facility towards the main gate. They threw rocks
and sticks at the guard shack and fired m eight
fireworks at Federal Protective Service officers. Protesters through a mortar
at the front entrance of the building, injuring an officer.
FBS officers had to extinguish two fires in front of

(46:51):
the building. They were forced to barricade themselves inside the building,
and protesters placed chains on the exterior doors. Think about
that they chained them in the building. That they are
basically setting on fire. Eventually, the protesters attempted to breach
the front door, breaking the front door's class. June twenty fourth,
protesters attempted to sit a US flag on fire in
the driveway of the ice facility, and later another protester

(47:13):
attempted to light an incendiary device next to the guard shack.
An officer's got approached to the protesters, she threatened them
with knives. Protesters also port a substance believed to be
motor oil in the vehicle entrance. Also June twenty fourth,
a protesters shot officers with paintballs after an FBS officer
warned protesters to clear the building driveway. Anothers shined a

(47:34):
laser in an officer's light. The same night, another protester
was arrested for assaulting an officer with a machete and knife. Okay,
that's apparently. Although they reference protests around this country in
various cities, all of what I just read in the
court's opinion about what they're dealing with in Portland. These

(47:54):
are organized assaults on ice facilities, federal property, and federal
agents governed by federal law and local law enforcement will
not protect them. State law applies. If you punch a
human being, you can be charged just like a federal
officer could be. You could be charged for punching a

(48:14):
federal officer under state law. You could be charged punching
your next door neighbor under state law assault battery, that
kind of thing, setting fires in the street. I'm sure
there's a statute or ordinance, a criminal ordinance in Portland
saying that you can't do that, right, No kidding. Apparently
local law enforcement is an issuing citations or arresting people

(48:36):
for that criminal behavior threatening what federal property and federal
officers' lives. Enter the assertion of crowd control law enforcement
to enforce federal law and protect our federal agents legal.
It's chaos, it's dangerous, it's run amuck, it's out of control.

(48:57):
Nobody's lifting a finger to prosecute and stop this criminal
behavior from happening. That's why Donald Trump has the authority
to bring in the National Guard. There you go, six
seventeen idy five krs DE talk station five one three
seven fifty five hundred eighty six two fifty five kr
CD talk station, Happy Wednesday, Go straight to the phones
five one three seven fifty five hundred eight h two

(49:17):
three talk. Not sure if he was listening to her
ears were burning. Welcome back to the Morning show, Cribbage,
Mike aka submarine or Mike. Thanks for your service to
our country. You're looking forward to eight oh five with
Running Deep, the book by Tom Claven Bravery Survival and
the True Story of the Deadliest submarine in World War Two.

Speaker 11 (49:34):
The quote a famous American I'll have my popcorn out
and my feet up.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Good, it's gonna be I thought of you immediately USS
Tang Tang. You ever heard of that submarine?

Speaker 11 (49:44):
No it well, no, well, I thought it was either
going to be the Tang or the USS Barb with
the commanding author Eugene Flucky won the Medal of Honor.
But yes, this will this should be thrilling.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
This is Captain Richard Heatherington's O'Kaine apparently commanded the attack. Sir,
there you go get cocaine. Yeah, I'll let you would
know about that. I don't know why you called about that,
but that guest com Tom Claver be on the show
at eight to five. You can get a copy of
the book of FI five cars dot com. What prompted
your call this morning?

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Well, Actually, before I get to my point, I want
to you just mentioned a weather forecast with frost coming up,
so I said, you know, I might be lighting off
my gas fireplace here shortly. So thanks to Sean and
the good folks at Chimney Caerco who were out last year,
I looked, you know, between the louvers on top of
my firebox to make sure the grandkids didn't put in
any other toys up there. Again, but it might be

(50:34):
a smoking hazard, so we're good to go from bring
on the frost.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
That's so funny you had to smoke billery out in
your living room because your grand kids stuck and toys
up there. I forgot about that. Thanks for the shout outs.
Are good friends at Chimney Carco.

Speaker 11 (50:48):
Hey, A couple of callers the last couple of days
have mentioned about, you know, voting integrity and machines, and
rightly so. But I just wanted to put some things
to rest or maybe give some information to your listener.
I've been a precinct election official out here in Claremont
County for ten years and I work with four precincts.
I'm the voting location manager, so I have three per precincts.

(51:10):
So out of those twelve people, we have six Republicans
and six Democrats that work the polls, very dedicated civilians,
and I can only encourage people. It's still not too
late if you'd like to become a poll worker. We
still have training going on and just a great way,
obviously your civic duty to spend thirteen hours with some
really great patriots. But once again you can learn a
little bit about the idiosyncrasies of the system, which might

(51:32):
you call your fears a little bit, just the auditing
that goes on just at the poll level. When people
come in to vote, every one of those ballots are serialized.
You have an independent count there at the polling state
of check in place with the tablet, so you get
a count there. You had the number on that ballot,
of the count, and when it actually goes through the
machine and the reader, that's another separate in the account.

(51:55):
And at the end of the day, when we shut
the polls at seven point thirty, I do an audit
right there and nothing's going to happen, but it allows
the Clermont County Board of Elections to know how our
numbers all ginned up between actual votes counted the provisional
ballots and the remaining serialized ballots that are left, and
then when they actually certify the election, and if there's

(52:16):
an anomaly, then they dived into it a little bit
deeper and to Unfortunately I cannot even though I work downtown.
I would love to be able to vote downtown. But
Christopher always consistently brings up and you echo as well,
about the need you do not have to vote in
this case for nine councilmen. At any time you vote
down a presidential election, you just want to vote for

(52:38):
the president. Vote for the president. But what that ballot
is going to do, because now you have quote unquote undervoted,
it's going to kick that ballot out. Stay there, because
it's going to ask you do you want to submit
this ballot? Yes, so if you want to vote just
for Christopher or you just want to vote for Corey Bollman,
do that, but that ballot's going to be kicked out,
and says, do you want to do this? If you
walk away, we are by law we have to soil

(53:01):
that ballot. That ballot will not count then because we
cannot assume that's what you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
You have to affirmatively confirm that that's what your vote is. Sure, yes, sir, okay, well,
and that.

Speaker 11 (53:12):
It comes up on the screen. So just just don't
walk away, and hopefully, because we have pollwalk watchers that
stand there, we'll not We don't care what you vote for,
but if it does get kicked out, we want to
get you right there. Because sometimes people quote unquote overvote.
So if you're in a category like let's say city council,
you can only vote for nine. If you vote for ten,

(53:33):
eleven or twelve, it's going to kick it out. Now
you've overvoted, right, and everybody gets three chances to vote.
So if you color in the wrong circle, you do
an X instead of colored in and make a simple mistake,
you actually get three, you know, three strikes in, you're out,
all right.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
In conclusion, a simple yes or no question, curbage, my
my dedicated service friend. Thank you for your service or
our country. You're ongoing service work in the polls. Do
you have faith in the ballot and the election integrity
in the state to Ohio or at least in Hamilton.

Speaker 11 (54:01):
County one thousand percent?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Thank you, Thank you very much. Mike honor fly tries
date next Tuesday. Get that in right now planning for it.
Be at CVG bout eight thirty and join the two
thousand other people who'll be welcoming home as wonderful veterans.
Thanks Mike, always appreciate hearing from you. Six twenty seven.
I've got George next. If you want to hang out
plus New Hampshire, Gary, you go over to the phones
here if you want to join the fun five one, three, seven, four,

(54:24):
nine to fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two
to three talk tonter Fact fifty on at and T Funds.
George here first. Thanks for holding over the break, my friend.
Good to hear from you this morning.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Good morning, Brin. I was just thinking about a pattern
I'm kind of seeing here during this shutdown. The Democrats
are wanting to throw three and or so dollars in
to their slush fun because they're having difficulties raising donations,

(54:56):
and since the mngos in the US a money cried up,
they're getting pretty best for to line in their pockets.
Looks to be like just something I see.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, I'm not quite sure that the Democrats themselves are
going to get access to the federal taxpayer dollars to
fund any of their own campaigns. What it's going to
do is expand Obamacare. Of course, keep those subsidies in
place that they obviously set to expire in December. And
we can go on and on. But they're listed demands
in their version of the bill that would reopen the government.

(55:32):
It ultimately totals one point two trillion dollars, and I
know it's been widely reported that's six hundred billion of
that and that's over ten years. I suppose four hundred
billion of that relates to the extension of the the
Obamacare subsidies. But I as nefarious as these clowns are,
in as little as I trust them, I don't really
think that they're going to get their hands directly on

(55:53):
the money. I'm sure they've got workarounds around how to
do that though. Charge.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, it's a money log in operation. They have to
run it through the insurance company there dranking out their premiums. Yeah,
and then the insurance companies hands it back to of course.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly money right, yeah, in an
indirect way. Yes, the money that goes out into the
world through a government program lands in the lap of
a lot of well connected, well heeled and very wealthy businesses,
including medical insurance companies who do have lobbying firms that
write checks, the politicians who do good things for their companies.

(56:31):
Thus it has sadly ever been Thank you, George, appreciated
New Hampshire. Gary, welcome back, my friend. Good to hear
from you. Happy Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
It's good to hear from you. Brian. Hey, I just
have I'm going to throw my two cents on this
useless police chief SIJI. If we all go back to July,
which is like a whole long time ago, if we
remember the beatdown where there was five days of silence
from the police chief and the commissioners and everybody. Finally

(57:03):
she came out and had a press conference, if you remember,
and she scolded social media as only showing one side
of the story. And this was if you remember Holly,
who's a peak victim. We ought to ask her what
she thinks. So the chief's useless position.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But Dehamster Garrett, Amster Garrett, is that a fireable offense?
Just because she chose those choice of words, and you
know that lapse of time before she came out and
made a statement, we're all under the firm impression by
this point is three police chief threes that Thiji was
not doing what Police Chief Thiji might have done if

(57:42):
she was independent. She's not. She runs at the behest
of aftab Parvall and city Manager Long. So it may
be that those two told Police Chief Thiji that she
should say something along those lines, right, I agree.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
With Okay, I agree with that. But I think what
we're showing as a systemic problem with their only hiring
yes men, and well, that's all it is. No, I
doubt the problem is it was the whole system is busted,
and you know with this bust and most of it

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came from the collaborative agreement from two thousand and ten,
the riots and all that stuff, and two people who
were in they just got what they wanted and now
they're running rampshop over the entire city. That's that's what
it is.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Well, and maybe all these revelations Gary and people saying
question marks swirling around Thigi's firing or being removed from
from active duty, the fact that neighborhoods have not gotten
the roads paved, the fact that we have limitations on
how we in our own individual community can steer the
direction of development. No, no, no, that lands in the
lap of the mayor. You have no saying it. All

(58:53):
of these little things piling up and piling up reflect
exactly what your boiled down conclusion is. We have a
disc fund functional government in the city of Cincinnati. Look,
we get to vote first week in November. Maybe we
should change things, right, Let's move in a different direction.
So why not?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I so because Cincinnati is near and dear to my heart, Amen,
rather though I live in New Hampshire, you know so,
I really hope.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So all right, New Hampshire, Gary, I share your thoughts.
When we lived in Chicago, I still felt city of
Cincinnati near and dear to my heart, not as much
as I felt after we moved back, though. It's a
real eye opening experience. Folks, live someplace else and then
reflect back in your life in the city, or just
move back and experience the eye opening awesomeness that living
in this part of the country is compared to a

(59:39):
place like Chicago. I'm not speaking to New Hampshire, Geary.
I don't know what it's like where you are, but
I know my experience Cincinnati demonstrably better, even in spite
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five fifty on AT and T phones. Greta comment, love
to hear from you real quick here. Remember we had
the weaponization of the Department of Justice, Eric Holder, going
all the way back to Eric Holder and the Obama administration,
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to do business in the United States of America being
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under Biden's administration refused to help disaster victims who supported

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Donald Trump. This according to a Department of Homeland Security
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homes that had pro Trump or Second Amendment signs. They
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the federal government was withholding aid from Americans based on
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reportedly went without initial aid after Hurricane Milton. FEMA staff
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and fairness. The investigators found discrimination wasn't isolated, contrary to
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that incurred in multiple disasters across several states. They say
FEMA violated the Privacy Act by creating an undisclosed database
linking personal information to political beliefs. Isn't that scary? And
you consider the amount of data that the federal government
has collected on us all across the board. They're looking
at our individual data, making determinations about our political affiliation,

(01:03:04):
and then deciding they're either going to stop and offered
assistance at my house flooded as it may be, or
strickened by a hurricane, and not stop there because well,
you're of the wrong political affiliation, You're not friends of
the party. Sounds remarkably dystopian and sounds remarkably like other

(01:03:25):
former governments like Stalin Khrushev Hitler. Yeah. Sorry, your politics
don't align. You are not entitled to government services, even
though your taxes help pay for them. Got Mat on
the line, Matt, you're next. You to mind holding. I'll
be right with you. I want to mention Chimney Care
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if if you have Kercity talk stations, this is why
I have. Joe Stracker. I only was sort of peripherally
listening to the Trafford Report in the last segment. I
heard girl scout Bridge and immediately thought of the boy
Scott Bridge, Dan Beard aka Big Mack Bridge. I thought
that's what he was referred to. What are the girls
gout Bridge? Joe Strecker. Hey, dude, that's the Covington, Kentucky
Bridge crosses the Licking River, also known as a twelve

(01:04:08):
street bridge. You learn something every day, and yes, I'm
more than happy to admit when well, I'm an idiot.
So let's go to the phones and see what Matt
has to say. Matt, welcome to the show. Happy Wednesday.

Speaker 12 (01:04:18):
Oh hi, Brian, I'm going to weigh in on this
Chief Fiji situation. You know, if she hasn't been able
to do her job like she wanted to, why doesn't
she maybe go have a private conversation with Corey Bowman
and they can work out an arrangement or a deal,
if you will, and then she can come out and

(01:04:40):
let the voters know what mayor pure Evil has been
up to, and then the voters can decide whether they
want to dispatch mayor Pure Evil in the coming election.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I think that maybe even a thorny issue or a
sticky wicket issue. I don't know what liberty she has
to talk about her her job in consult consultation with
other people, notably political candidates. I don't know if that
could serve. And I'm guessing here, I'm just walking through
potential challenges because I've heard there are some limitations on
how much leeway the chief has to speak about matters,

(01:05:15):
so that could be something. And you know, I just
don't want her to put herself in a position where
they can say, haha, see here's why we got rid
of her because of well, something she did after we
got rid of her. I don't know, it just looks terrible.
The optics are awful from araf to have pur of
all and city Manager Cheryl Long and that satisfies me sufficiently.

(01:05:35):
It'll all come to a head at some point. Police
Chief Fiji's either going to get big, big fat check
from the city of government, much like the former fire
chief Michael Washington's gonna get big, big fat check. Note again,
this is the second time this has happened. They got
rid of Michael Washington without cause. They fired him with
no reason. He went to court over it and he

(01:05:55):
has prevailed. He was terminated wrongfully according to the court decision.
Now just comes a question of damages. So we have
a problem with the administration. We have a problem with
politics regarding the fire chief and the police chief, and
that's on full display. And I hope everybody's paying attention.
And we can send Mary aftab Purval and then ultimately
share along along with them packing after Wednesday, the first

(01:06:18):
Wednesday November or the first Tuesday November. Appreciate it, Matt,
certainly do. Oh and real quick here, since our next
listener lunch is the following day, I just want to
remind everybody about that. So we're going to be at
High Grain Brewery I think it's the Brentwood location. Yeah,
High Grain Brewery, Brentwood location, November fifth day after the election.

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I'm hoping we have something to celebrate. I really truly
am or. We'll just contemplate maybe the craziness of the
City of Cincinnati voters that they continue to go down
the same path you definition of stupidity, doing the same
thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Fred,
thanks for calling the morning show. Happy Wednesday to you, Fred, Fred, Fred, Joe,

(01:07:05):
just turn you on, so start from scratch. I didn't
hear your initial comment.

Speaker 9 (01:07:09):
Okay, you're talking about the police chief. You know she
gets she's not going to quick getty far. The thing
is I don't think we're understanding is I think the
mayor and all these crazy people, they have a theory
on how all this is supposed to work, and they're
mad at her because she wasn't able to implement their
policy correctly to get it to work, even though we

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know it doesn't work. Similar to the socialists who say, hey,
socialism will work, it just hasn't been tried by.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Us, right, yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, I mean certainly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think they actually think it's
going to work.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
Their policy is going to work, but reality says.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
No, Fred. If you reflect out, look over this great
vast country of ours and take a look at San
Francisco or Portland or or you know what, I'm where
I'm going with this San francisc I mean, it's never
worked any place it's tried. Once you stop prosecuting and
and and uh and and you know, harsh punishments on criminals,

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they're just going to start engaging in criminal activity. What
was the dumbest concept ever, Fred, let's decriminalized thefts of
nine hundred dollars or less and whatever that policy was
in California, we will what idiot didn't think that it
was going to result in mass theft at convenience stores
and and uh and pharmaceuticals. And it's just dumb, epic, woke, stupid.

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They just live in their own echo chamber and they
talk on a theoretical level like that, Oh, we just
talk about it. We imagine that it could be a
new world. It's boiled down. It's like believing in communism.
From each accordion's ability to each courty, We're all going
to get along. We're all going to be part of
the religion. We're all going to participate to our fullest extent.
No one's gonna be lazy. Ask Bernie Sanders how it

(01:08:57):
was on his ashram when he lived out there. Apparently
the guy didn't lift a finger to work, which is
what happens when you end up living in a socialist
collective like that. People are really lazy, and since it's
not going to benefit them to bust their hump, they
typically don't welcome to communism and socialism as well. A
method of political leadership doesn't work, and rethinking the police

(01:09:18):
department doesn't work either. See literally every city that's tried it,
including the city of Cincinnati. Coming up at six fifty six,
which means we're coming up on the big picture with
Jack Adiden subject truly affordable healthcare plus donovd'neil at seven thirty.
Americans per Prosperity is going to be diving on into
the thorny issue of speaking of thorny issues, property taxes
that'll take place at seven thirty. I sure that you

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can stick.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
Around today's tough headlines coming up seven o sixty five.

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Cara CD talks dation time here, wishing everybody very happy Wednesday,
Dot on Neo Americans from Prosperity. Bottom of the hour
on property taxes. Fast forward an hour. Tom Claven with
his book Running Deep, Bravery, Survival and the True Story
of the Deadliest Submarine in World War Two nonfiction book.
Sounds like an amazing book. Tom will be on in

(01:10:31):
an hour. Judge and Paulatano on a Trumpian headache. Lakida
Cole joins the program at the end of the eight
o'clock hour. She's a charter committee Canada for city council. Yes,
I will ask her about police chief Threetsatiji.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
It is Wednesday. It is seven oh now six. It's
that time to get the big picture with Jack Athan
and my dear friend jack Aatherdan. Thank you so much
for your brilliance every Wednesday at this time. Welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 13 (01:10:55):
Ring Brian and Joe and I hope everybody is well here.
Why in just a moment up until now, the Democrats'
top three issues, actually there are only three issues have
been Donald Trump is hitler, Donald Trump is on Putin's payroll,
and most heinous if you're a Hollywood celebrity, Donald Trump

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is fat, to which Millennia would say no, my husband
is just pleasingly plump and he cannot work you any day.
We're beating Democrats on all those issues and a few
more little things like crime, securing our borders, growing the economy,

(01:11:40):
and world peace. But now Democrats may have stumbled on
a winning issue, even though it's a problem they created themselves,
affordable healthcare. Demos are using healthcare as an excuse to
shut down the government, and it'll be a huge election
issue Brian next year. So Republicans had better not let

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President Trump down again the way they did in his
first term. A little history, that's what we do. Once
upon a time, basic health care was affordable in the
nineteen fifties when I wore a Davy Crockett Coonskin cap.
Our family doctor charged fifteen bucks a visit, and he

(01:12:24):
made house calls. Yeah, most folks did not have health insurance,
but they could still pay for all the usual kid operations.
Tonsils happened, dectomy. Because Washington had not yet destroyed free
market competition, the push for socialized medicine started during World

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War II. FDR had imposed wage and price controls, and
the war created an enormous demand for the civilian employees
who were still around to get around paying them higher wages.
Washington companies take tax deductions for employee health insurance. That's
why most people still get health coverage at work. But

(01:13:08):
because employees no longer had to pay their own doctor's bills,
they stopped noticing what healthcare actually costs. The federal tax
code was in effect subsidizing health care costs for businesses
and their employees, though not for self employed people like
my parents. Even worse, the increased demand for subsidized healthcare

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sent costs rising at a fever pitch. So to fix
that crisis, which Washington itself had created, the government as
usual made things worse. Congress next offered Medicare for the
elderly and Medicaid for the poor and infirm. Those programs
have helped countless Americans. Amesley and I are on Medicare.

(01:13:54):
You will be soon too, thanks Jesses. Well, it's true.
You don't look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
It's true.

Speaker 13 (01:14:00):
But to the surprise of no one, unless your healthcare
included a lobotomy. Budgets for both Medicare and Medicaid soon
rocketed beyond the estimates used to sell them to taxpayers.
As always, since it didn't have to compete in a
free marketplace, government had little incentive to control costs or
even outright corruption. Instead, bureaucracies felt and they fed on

(01:14:26):
built in budget increases every year that outstripped inflation. Rush
Limba used to love talking about this baseline budgeting. So
did health providers, including physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies. But wait,
it gets even worse than that. To make healthcare affordable

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for everyone, the Affordable Care Act Obamacare included a mandate
requiring everyone to buy a policy that qualified under the
new law. Barack Obama had repeatedly promised that if you
liked your current health insurance, if you liked your doctor,
you could keep them. But that was a lie. As

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the architect of Obamacare, MIT economist Jonathan Krueger admitted, the
only insurance policies the government allowed under Obamacare had to
include a laundry list of liberal coverage, including abortion treatment,
and those requirements more than doubled Obamacare premiums. Barack Obama

(01:15:31):
didn't care, because even before he became president, Senator Obama
had said what he ultimately wanted with single payers, socialized
healthcare like the national healthcare they have in Britain and Canada.
The trouble is in not so great Britain, the rich
have their own healthcare system, and Canadians, as I saw

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for five years working in Miami, they flocked to the
US to get quality care they cannot get back. Republicans
campaigned against this unaffordable Obamacare in twenty sixteen. When they won,
Donald Trump told Congress to repeal and replace it with
a system that would bring down costs through free market competition.

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But believe it or not, that didn't happen. The late
senator Republican Senator John McCain, who hated Trump, literally gave
a thumbs down on the Senate floor. The best Republicans
could do was to do away with the individual mandate, and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
That was something.

Speaker 13 (01:16:35):
It meant you no longer had to buy Obamacare, but
that made the policies even more expensive, and not just
for low income people. Brian. Under Obama, Democrats had also
expanded eligibility for Medicaid. What had been a safety net
for the poor became a middle class entitlement. And you

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know who was one of the first governor to support that,
Ohio's own Republican John Kasik, who is no more conservative
than most of the Rhinos now running Columbus. The final
straw came during COVID, when Joe Biden's puppet masters pushed
staggering health insurance subsidies. That's what Democrats now want to extend.

(01:17:22):
That's why they're shutting down the government to this day,
two years after even Biden admitted the COVID emergency ended.
And yes, Democrats also want to keep covering illegals by
reimbursing hospitals and state Medicaid systems. Democrats insist that's not true.
Once again, they're lying. Both Democrats and Rhino Republicans are

(01:17:47):
under pressure to continue subsidizing government health insurance. That pressure
comes from their voters, but also from Big Pharma and
other medical providers. They are among the politician's biggest own
So here's the challenge now, friends, We've done a way
with free market healthcare in order to provide subsidies, but

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how far should this go. If governments subsidized clothing, jeans
and a T shirt would cost so much you'd need
a subsidy to avoid wearing thig leaves. Yet for most
everyone in America, food and clothing are affordable thanks to
free market competition. Instead of socializing our whole healthcare system

(01:18:31):
in order to help the truly needy, we should subsidize
the truly needy and transition back to the free market
for everyone else. How I'm no expert, but the Federalist Society,
for one, wants workers, rather than their employers, to own
their health policies, insurance policies that would be portable across

(01:18:54):
state lines, so they could follow you if you move.
Portability keeps insurance company from claiming you have a pre
existing condition and denying you coverage, and it increases competition.
The Federalist also wants to expand health savings accounts HSA's.
They allow tax free contributions and withdrawals over the course

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of a lifetime. I also like letting young healthy people
by stripped down policies the kanyaity car, perhaps to cover
major expenses, including surgery. The bottom line, America, I believe
should remain committed to providing a safety net for citizens

(01:19:37):
who cannot help themselves, the poor, that disabled, and the
elderly in need. We'll also treat people in hospital emergency rooms,
but those emergency rooms cannot be free health clinics for illegals.
Full blown socialized medicine is not the answer, as you
mentioned just a few minutes ago, As we mentioned constantly,

(01:19:59):
some socialism is never the answer. It just leads to
corruption and power grabs. So, in response to the Zoran Mamdanis,
the AOC's Chucky Schumer's, the Obama's Republicans better come up
with a plan right now while they're doing not much
else for truly affordable health care, or Democrats socialists may

(01:20:22):
regain Congress in twenty twenty six, and our country will
once again be flat on its back. Now, you're a
juris doctor, a doctor of law. What do you say,
doctor Thomas?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
You know he didn't call looking for an argument. Jack.
It's an unbelievably complicated situation. And I, of course I
remember when doctor Cassini, Gus Cassini, the rest of his
soul was my doctor, family's doctor, as friend of the family,
come over to the house. I remember getting my injections
in the living room of my house, and remember hiding
under the furniture. And I don't remember, you know, it
was just such a different world. I mean, I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:20:59):
Understand it still hid under the furniture.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Yeah, I just don't understand how it got so complicated.
I mean, some people point to this idea that, you know,
providing tax and centerves for businesses to provide their employees
with medical insurance took us down this path. Of course,
medical insurance companies have to do actuarial analyses, they have
to pay claims. It used to be pre existing condition.
If you had a pre existing condition, you weren't covered.

(01:21:23):
It's like you can't get fire insurance if your house
is already on fire. It doesn't work that way. The
idea of having to be stuck with these massive medical
bills was an incentive to take on what used to
be not too onerous burden to get some form of
medical coverage like that catastrophic policy we're talking about for
young people. We used to sell those all the taminos
with ansil Anthem bcbs, and you know, it wasn't very expensive,

(01:21:46):
easily affordable monthly payment. You're in a very low risk
category as a young person. Why would you want anything
more than something that's going to cover a massive hospital
bill in the event you got it into a serious
accident or problem. Fine, we've taken out flexibility and we've
issued mandates and edicts I mean Obamacare is filled with
a bunch of I mean a giant policy that some like.

(01:22:07):
For example, young person again is going to get all
kinds of you know, coverage he has to pay for
that he's never going to use. Does a twenty two
year old young man need a pregnancy insurance? No, of
course not. But it's in there at which causes the
price of the policy to go up, you know it, Jack,

(01:22:28):
I don't know. Something suggests to me, and here's a
draconian concept. If you're left to your own devices, would
you take better care of yourself if you knew that
you were responsible for your future? If you were interested
in longevity? For example, some people pursue a healthy life,
But if you knew you were going to be responsible
for your medical bills, might you have a sort of

(01:22:50):
a greater interest in your diet, exercise, you know, maintaining
a healthy lifestyle. I think I would. Is the idea
that insurance is going to cover everything, so screw it,
there's a pill for everything, So I'm not going to
take care of myself. That's the kind of world we
live in. So I don't know. Something. It seems to
me like a disaster is going to have to befall
the health insurance concept. Generally, we're gonna have to start

(01:23:11):
like phoenix rising from the ashes. Jack at this.

Speaker 13 (01:23:14):
Point, I wish we could hand the microphone to Bobby
Kennedy's junior, A little nutty sometimes, but a great man.
And yes, we would have to take better care of ourselves.
As for pre existing conditions, we have to, I think,
do something for children who are born with birth defects.
And if you do allow portability, we won't have to
worry about having to be turned down if you get

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a new job much less.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Well, if you're already insured, you were guaranteed issue and
moving forward, and they couldn't deny you because you were
already covered when this disease state pops up. We can
manage that. And if you're born with a preexistor, you're
born with a condition. You're entering into the world with it.
It's not like you duped an insurance company and hid
that condition from them and then obtained insurance to get coverage.
Completely different scenario. We should be able to get insurance,

(01:24:02):
yeah you have. How does an actuary properly account for
what claims exposure is going to be? If you can
walk in with a stage four cancer diagnosis and then
get insured for that and have all the medical insurance
covered for cancer diagnosis. You can't actually account for that.

Speaker 13 (01:24:21):
Well, let's move to to something that's good news. That's
happening right now. There is so much that that's happening now.
But on the health front, Trump, as we've heard, is
also lowering healthcare costs by pressuring big farmer companies and
smaller ones like Merk and Eli Lelly to build new
manufacturing plants here in America. That's good for national security,

(01:24:44):
it's a competition, it's good for employees. And he's also
threatening tariffs. They're controversial, but he is and he's getting
some results. Trump has gotten the British company, for example,
Astroxenica and others to charge Americans the same lower prices
that are paid by customers in other countries, the same
favored nation.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Yeah, crisis.

Speaker 13 (01:25:05):
I think he started talking about this in March and
we're starting to see the fruits of that. So there's
movement on all fronts. But we've got to go ahead
and get some kind of a replacement. Got yeah for
the repealed mandate, at least of Obamacare.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Jack Love your conversations, love your analysis. Out of time.
Wish we could talk longer, important subject matter, clearly it's
keeping our government shutdown. Right now Big Picture with Jack
Avan and every Wednesday seven oh five Jack, God bless you, sir,
and the best of love and health to you in
your better half. We'll talk again next week, So seven
twenty one right now if you five KR City Talk Station,
Donald Neil, Americans for Prosperity on Property Tax fifty five

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k The Talk Station seven nine fifty five KR, Seedy
Talks Station, Wednesday, one our from now. Judge Jennapoultana Every
Wednesday a least when he's not out of town. He's
back from town, so we'll be talking to him about
a trumpy and headache subject matter of his column the meantime,
Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show from
a Americans for Prosperity Donovan and Neil. Always good to

(01:26:02):
having you on the show. My friend got a little
to updates on our property tax situation here in the
state of Ohio, one of my favorite topics.

Speaker 14 (01:26:11):
Yeah, we've got some good news. Legilation is moving and
it's not bad bills, Brian, We're not not growing government.
We might be shrinking it here, so this is good.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
It's good.

Speaker 14 (01:26:21):
Well, Well, yesterday in the House Ways and Means Committee, well,
wind this back a little bit. We identified some priority
legislation around property tax reform beginning of this fall session
two bills House Bill one to eighty six and House
Bill three thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Both of those bills were voted.

Speaker 14 (01:26:38):
Out of the House Ways and Means Committee in Columbus
to yesterday with a bipartisan eleven to one vote.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Wow accounts.

Speaker 14 (01:26:47):
What these do is these, in short, tackle and address
the spikes in increases we've all seen, making some changes
in a couple of different ways, but address, at the
end of the day, Brian, the spikes that so many
people have seen that I think really have put us
in this property tax crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
We're all trying to figure our way out of all right,
let's break them down. What does House Bill one eighty
six do specifically that we are now happy about it.

Speaker 14 (01:27:15):
Yeah, So what one eighty six does is it caps
spikes in school property tax to inflation while also giving
a retroactive credit. So we're going to wind the clock
back just a little bit here and say, hey, you know,
back I believe it is in twenty twenty three, back
a couple of years, instead of allowing these increases to
occur where you had the double whammy of inflation and

(01:27:36):
massive property tax increases or property valuation increases resulting in
thirty forty fifty percent valuation going up right and seeing
your places go up in an equivalent manner, we're going
to cap it to inflation so they don't get more
than what inflation would be. That provides that means we're
only seeing potentially if we go back to Bidenomics.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Lord knows, we don't need to go back there, but in.

Speaker 14 (01:28:01):
That same timeframe, instead of forty percent, we would have
only seen an eight or nine percent increase in taxes.
Still a lot Brian, but much much different in helping
to smooth out these christs. This this sort of effect
we've seen in the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
So this prevention of sudden spikes to the rate of inflation,
I'm going to guess my bubble has been burst because
I was hoping that that would limit levees to the
rate of inflation. But that doesn't apply to a separate levee,
does it.

Speaker 14 (01:28:32):
I believe it's I mean it's property tax levees.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So you know if you've got but that's not a
valuations that's not a valuation generated spike. That's because voters say, Okay,
I'll go ahead and have my taxes increase and give
the schools more money. I'm kind of being cheeky here, man,
I just but at least one eight six gets us
out of the hell hole that while was created in
the aftermath of COVID when the valuations of homes went

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through the roof, and then we had the triannual evaluation.
That's when we got our thirty percent plus increase.

Speaker 14 (01:29:03):
Yes, Yes, and I think some of the things that
we want to see happen to address what you're talking
about there right, the levees going up, we did not
being addressed here, but we would say, hey, you should
actually have to have a larger amount of the vote
to get that done.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
You can't get that done off of a fifty plus
one majority. If you're going to increase everyone in your
community's taxes, you probably need to be more two thirds right,
three fifths majority. It needs to be a clear demand
signal from the voters that yes, we want to give
more of our money to the to the local political
subdivision asking for it. We'll continue to work on that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Oh, that is something that's being discussed.

Speaker 14 (01:29:39):
Then, yeah, and it's one of the an element of
the Truth and Taxation package of reform that will help
empower you know, put the put the power back of
the hands of the taxpayer rather than the political subdivisions
where so much of that power exists today.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
All right, as in minitial responses, that sounds like a
pretty solid idea going forward. People are responsible for their
own destiny. If they want to increase their own taxes,
that's fine, but you know your neighbor may not be
in a position to cover that. And so the idea
of having a stronger number of people required to approve
a tax levy, I think that is a sound concept.
So fingers crossed that that one kind of moves forward.

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House Bill three thirty five. This one also moved out
of committee. Was it a comparable eleven to one bipartisan vote? Surprisingly,
so it was holy whip. I know, well, what this
does is this tackles the inside millage, and so I
don't have to get two wonky on a Wednesday morning.

Speaker 14 (01:30:35):
But every political there's ten mills of property tax levied
in every county and that inside millage. What this does
is it ties that growth as well to inflation, while
also giving the ability like this for voluntary reductions, and
so the local governments can look around and say, hey,
actually we want to lower the amount of money we're

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collecting off of inside millage to provide relief to our taxpayers.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
And so.

Speaker 14 (01:31:04):
Most importantly though, it's that inflationary, right, tying things to inflation,
rather than you know, you didn't at a garage. You
didn't you know, make any major modifications to your house.
You didn't go out and like tap into that unrealized
those unrealized gains as your house's value has gone up,
you're being taxed on it. Right, that's wrong, and we're
going to they're fixing that with House Bill three thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
All right, well, sounds like progress in the right direction.
When is it going to come up for a full vote?
And does it have the support of Governor Mike Dwine
who vetoed it, vetoed some provisions in the budget which
would have addressed some of these property tax issues.

Speaker 14 (01:31:41):
Yeah, well, I think these sorts of ideas were included
in the Governor's Overall Study Committee. Right, everybody is sort
of a breed around these ideas. So I think this
is universally accepted. It should get a vote this afternoon.
Both of these should get votes this afternoon during the
House session. Now it has to go to the Senate
receive a number of hearings, but all indications are that
this is especially with the bipartisan support, These are ideas

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that are going to move fairly quickly and get to
the governor's desk. Six is key because that will provide
a relief for folks on their second half year tax bills.
Oh oh, five hundred million dollars across the state.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Oh so some immediate relief that. Okay, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
All right, Well, there's what you look I mean. I
guess you're not suggesting that this is in jeopardy, that
this isn't going to be a squeak or considering eleven
to one out of the committee. We don't need to
call to action, to call up our elected officials and
columbus and demand that they vote in favor of this.
It looks like a foregun conclusion. If you had to
read some tea leaves there. Donovan Brian was always about.

Speaker 14 (01:32:44):
Foot on the peddle here. We don't give up just
you don't slow down just because things are head.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
In the director all right, email phone call, some kind
of outreach. Is it can't hurt donin Neil doesn't hurt?
What what else are what what's the next step in
property actually relief that AFP's looking for. Is it what
we just talked about or is there something else that
looks like it could be ready to be teed up
to give us even further relief? Because I know there
was like twenty or twenty five different action plan items

(01:33:12):
that had been established ahead of the budget vote, but
also in this sort of post veto budget group that
the DWINE put together.

Speaker 14 (01:33:22):
Well he I think there's like forty some plus different
bills that are out there that that, you know, do
some type of some type of reform. I think what
we what we want to continue to see is some
of that truth and taxation stuff that I was talking about. Right,
Let's make sure that the taxpayers are empowered with the

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authority to you know, you got to get a you
got to convince a large number of your tax base
to support an increase. The other piece, I think that
continues to be talked about is surrounding county budget commissions,
and so this could provide a really important stopgap measure
local accountability measure deprized of your auditor, treasurer, another prosecutor.

(01:34:03):
Depending on how it's set up to be that voice
of the taxpayer, those folks have Brian, a county wide
view of what's going on, right, rather than just being
focused on a little village or a specific school district,
they're looking at the county at hole.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
And what I think that what we think that.

Speaker 14 (01:34:20):
Can do is really help provide another on the taxpayer.
Say hey, you know, schools, cities, town trips, you all
are collecting all this money, how much of it do
you actually need and what can you do to maybe
adjust or not grow as much because it actually has
an impact, right Brian, High taxes have an impact on

(01:34:41):
the economic health of a county. So this county budget
commission that already exists, that already does a lot of that,
It just needs the authority really to be able to
be able to say, no, you're not gonna you know,
you're sitting on one hundred percent cash fund balance, You're
flushed with cash. You just got another levee of proved
you don't need more money. You don't need it. There's

(01:35:03):
no real purpose, right You're providing quality services that County
Budget Commission. If if we can empower and strengthen that further,
and there's some ideas kicking around around that that would
help address I think, more of those problems and keep
it at a local level rather than allowing the state
to come in and intervene, which is what some folks want.
Let's keep it local and that's what we can.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Do here with this all right call to action? Where
do you want my listeners to go for this and
other issues? Donald Reneil from Americans for Prosperity, Well, Buckeye
Blueprint dot Com. Go there, take action, sign up.

Speaker 14 (01:35:33):
We've got chapters and action committees popping up all over
the state on this and many many other issues. Thank
you brain has always for sharing your makeuphone with me
on Wednesday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Happy to do it, Donovan, and God bless you and
Americans for Prosperity for the wonderful work that you're doing
each and every day. Everybody get involved. They make it
so easy. Buff Buckeye Blueprint dot Com. Donovan, we'll talk
next Wednesday and I hope you bring some more news.
Are a good news are way, We'll do take care.
Thanks brother seven thirty nine. Right now out you five
KRCD talk station. We got along with Donovan and Neil.

(01:36:03):
That's okay. We got a few callers online. We're going
to start with Jennifer, Mary and Mississippi James. Hang on.
Hopefully get you in this one, if not the next segment. Jennifer,
thanks for calling. Happy Wednesday.

Speaker 15 (01:36:12):
Hi Brian, Gosh, I've missed you so much. I haven't
been able to get any of the the you know,
the luncheons. I was taking care of my mother with
dementia for five years and well that's okay. I promised
God when I was thirteen I would never put my
mom in a nursing home, and I kept my promise.
But anyway, I want to talk about these property taxes.

(01:36:33):
We lived not far from where you lived on Cleaves Warsaw.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
I grew up Yeah, I grew up on Boo Moral.

Speaker 10 (01:36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 15 (01:36:42):
Exactly where you lived. But anyway, our property taxes, Brian,
are five thousand, three hundred dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:36:52):
Our total income is forty two thousands. Oh, okay, Yeah,
and seventy five percent of our income goes to the
Oak Hills School District. Oh that seventy five percent.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Hearing that, Jennifer, that that hurts. I mean that's my
alma mater.

Speaker 10 (01:37:11):
I'm a bum today.

Speaker 15 (01:37:13):
Yeah, I mean we have to, Manny. I mean, then
we've got our house insurance, our car insurance, we've got
the guests and electory, if we've got the water bills,
and then we have to try to find, you know,
somewhere to put some food in there. Oh my lord,
I mean it's terrible, Brian. When we moved in this
house forty years ago, our taxes were eight hundred dollars

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a year.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Hold, I'm getting ready to use an explodo, Jennifer.

Speaker 15 (01:37:41):
Go ahead, No, I don't want to lose my listem.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Several times, I'll have to pay a fine that'll exceed
by a significant amount your tax bill. Jennifer, all my word.

Speaker 10 (01:37:51):
See, I'll pay your fine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
You are the reason, exactly the scenario we're talking about
why we need some desperate property tax relief.

Speaker 15 (01:37:59):
Well, you know, I worry about the other people. I mean,
I'm seventy four years old now, and I worry about
the other people, the elderly people who's income maybe even
less than ours exactly, you know, and I worry about
them losing their condos or whatever they live in because
of these taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Yeah. Well, one of the concepts that is floating around,
and I kind of embrace it, although the devil may
be in the details that I haven't thought of, but
providing seniors maybe with an income cap, like if you
make less than X amount, then you're relieved of the
property tax obligation. Is the dollars that you don't pay

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are placed as a lean on your property. So after
you die and your assets are in liquidated, that's when
the property tax is discharged. You don't have to think
about it or worry about it for the balance of
your life, and you let your estate deal with it
when you're gone. So that would provide you with relief. Now,
it doesn't eradicate the bill, but eventually the state will
get it and you'll be free of this insane burden

(01:39:00):
you're facing right now.

Speaker 15 (01:39:02):
I mean, it's really terrible. I mean, I never in
my life thought i'd have to go to the food bank.
Oh my, and that's where my husband and I go
once a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Month Jennifer, will all be praying for you.

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
You know what, Brian, and I also have my daughter
and my grandson that live with us, and my daughter's
on disability.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Well, the longer this conversation goes, Jennifer, the more things
keep piling up.

Speaker 6 (01:39:30):
I know.

Speaker 15 (01:39:31):
But you know what, I've prayed my rosary forever forty years,
every single day, and I know God's taking care of us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
With a little we have see you get strength, strength,
and the worst of times.

Speaker 15 (01:39:46):
Yes, And I don't think that myself as suffering or anything,
because I know somebody out there's got it worse.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
That's a great way of approaching it, Jennifer, great way
of approaching it amid all the concerns and problems you've
been facing. God bless you, and I'll just courage my
listeners to pray for you and everybody else who's in
a comparable situation. This is why we need some reform
in the state of Ohio, running headlong to a constitutional
amendment eradicating property tax. Just still dreaming about that day

(01:40:13):
and wondering how it's all going to shake out, Jennifer,
God bless you. Don't go away. Seven forty seven fifty
five Krecity Talks Station. Mary and James coming up next,
Carecy the talk station, straight to the phones. I think
we can get both callers in. Going to try anyway,
Mary's first, James, hang on, Mary, welcome to the show.
Thanks for calling.

Speaker 16 (01:40:28):
Oh hi, Brian, thanks for taking my call. The reason
I'm calling is I wonder, if I'm looking at this right,
why don't we talk more about how certain like the Muslims.
I'm sorry if I'm saying this incorrectly, but they seem
to be infiltrating government.

Speaker 6 (01:40:49):
Is that? What is that? Isn't that what is going
on in England and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Canada infiltrating government? I'm not quite sure where you're coming from.
We have no theocracy here in the United States of America.
We have a free exercise clause in the First Amendment.
We're allowed to exercise whatever religion we want. There is
no religious organization, or rather, there's no state church. So
any person who probably you know, runs a campaign and

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convinces voters that they're the right choice, it shouldn't matter
what religion they are. They can't impose their religion on
us because we have the free exercise in the United States.
So I don't care what religion a person is. I
just want them to do something sane for their constituents.
So what does Muslim happen?

Speaker 8 (01:41:32):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Yeah, there you are, that's it. I don't care. Well, look,
we're going to have veak Ramaswammy as the as the
next governor of the state of Ohio. I'm thoroughly convinced
of that. Not a Christian man, but he is blank
and brilliant. He's got great ideas, he's obviously demonstrably successful.
I'll take it. You know, it doesn't matter with you.

Speaker 16 (01:41:53):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
I'm not talking about the US. I'm asking about England.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Oh well there that Well, you've just entered into the
twilight zone when you're talking about the European Union or
the UK. They do not have a constitution. They can
limit the words that come out of your mouth. They
have prior restraint on speech. So give you a list
of words you can't speak. If you speak it, they
can prosecute you. It's a Again, I'm leaning toward FCC

(01:42:21):
non compliant language. Now, as I consider the reality of
life in the UK, you don't want to go down
that road. That's why we should just protect the Constitution
with our very lives, our founding fathers recognize that. That's
why we've got the Bill of Rights. Mary, thank you
very much, Mississippi. James, welcome, my friend. Good to hear
from you.

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
Hey, good morning, Brian, Come in peace, love everybody, and
there's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Good for you, James, Bryan.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
I suggested a guy who I've talked to Joe about
it and that maybe you could reach out to him
as a guess. He's a black six year with it
in the Air Force for six years, a black guy
from Mississippi, and he's conservative. He used to tour around
with Charlie kirk Oh and he just have a good

(01:43:11):
message out there that's in that balance that always speak
about yes, sir and matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
What else?

Speaker 6 (01:43:21):
His name is Christopher Towns If any of the guests
want to look him up. Christopher Townsend is his name.
He's a positive rappery on the positive music. You go
by the name TOFA Town and that's like top h
E R and the in town to be worth bringing

(01:43:44):
to the audience. Listen to him. I think they'll enjoy him.
I enjoy the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
I'll take the recommendation James. The extent we can track
him down and get him on the show, I would
welcome that opportunity. It's always I appreciate different messages. And
of course, if there is a black man out there
that is expressing a conservative message, we don't run into
that very often. If you've got someone like that that's
got an audience and who's got followers spreading a conservative message,

(01:44:09):
you know, come on in. The water's warm and fine,
and you are welcome here on the fifty five KRS
Morning Show. That's why I love hearing from you, James.
I appreciate your message, and I appreciate you calling in
from Mississippi seven fifty five fifty five KRCD Talk Station.
After the top of the air news, this is going
to be a cool discussion the name of the book.
Eight oh five fifty five KRCD Talk Station. A very

(01:44:30):
happy Wednesday to you. I have been looking forward to
this moment in time since I got here in the
morning show to find out that Tom Clavin is on
the rundown. He's joined the program right now to talk
about his new book. By way of background. You probably
already know him, best selling author of twenty five let
me Underscore the word non fiction books on military history, sports,
and entertainment. His writing career began in journalism as a

(01:44:51):
rover reporter for The New York Times fifteen years, as
well as contribuered in multiple national magazines, awarded numerous prizes
by the Society of Professional Journalists National News Paper Association.
His books multiple award winners, including six that made it
to the New York Times Bestseller. He has written several screenplays,
including a couple of his books that are currently being

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developed as screen projects. And I'm guessing, Tom Claven, welcome
that this book we're talking about this morning is going
to be number three. I want to see a movie
about this running deep bravery survival and the true story
of the deadliest submarine in World War Two. Tom, it's
a pleasure to have you on the program.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
Well, thank you for having me back on the show.
And I agree it would make a terrific movie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Oh my terrific story. So to begin with, it's insane.
And you know right now there is a man in
my listening audience, a dear friend of mine, a career submariner,
spent his entire career in the military and submarines and
Mike is out there sitting on the edge of a seat.
You've already sold one book, I assure you, Tom, And
he knew about this boat. He knew about the captain

(01:45:52):
Richard Okaine, which is featured in the book. So let's
dive on into it. You described this is the deadliest
submarine in World War Two, so like like pilots get kills,
and they can become you know, certain levels of pilots
an ace. For example, this sub sunk more vessels than
any of the other in the in the entire World

(01:46:13):
War two.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
It did it did.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
It is the USS Tang, and it was the best
attack submarine in the US had in the Pacific theater,
and it sank thirty three Japanese ships and would have
sunk more except that ran into it, you know, ran
into an entire convoy that was trying to take out
It proved to be a little too much, but the
Tang was was the most recognized. And I'm glad you
mentioned about your friend who knew knows about Richard o'caine,

(01:46:38):
because amongst some mariners there seems to be a recognition
of Ocaine, and he's like the Navy equivalent of Audie Murphy. Yes,
but to the general public, they don't. They've never heard
of the guy, which is which is a shame because
he was great, quite the heroic character in World War Two.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Well, yeah, I wait to you here. We'll get a
brief little sliver of the excitement that these men uh
were involved with on the submarine. But Mike wanted you
and meet to know my listening audience was going to
pass along. There was a street named after the tang
in Groton, Connecticut at the submarine base, and the CEO there,
Richard Dick o'caine, is also apparently they have a officers

(01:47:14):
quarters named after him on the sub base, so everyone
in the Navy knows who this guy is. Let's talk
about some of the action they First off, what was
life like in a World War two submarine? I can't
imagine it was fun.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
No, it wasn't. And in fact, you can only volunteer
for submarine duty. You cannot be assigned to it because
it was It was not only very cramped and very
tight quarters. If you're claustrophobic, you were sunk, you can say,
but it was dangerous. It was you know, the mortality
rate for a submarine sailor was six times that of

(01:47:49):
a surface ship sailor, so that we lost fifty two
boats was sunk during World War two, and so there
was a lot of a lot of the navy guys
they say nothing to do with submarines, but they turned
out to be especially effective. And the tang was head
and shoulders above the other submarines and being able to
hunt down and sink Japanese shipping.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Well, you're right about psychological profile to serve on a submarine.
I personally would not pass that test. The idea of
it's less about claustrophobia, Tom, but the idea of depth
charges exploding around you in any moment in time, you
might implode and sink to the bottom of the sea,
which we're going to talk about here in a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Yeah. The yeah, you could be bonded. You'd be sailing
on the surface and a plane spots you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
It could bother you.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
You could be underwater and a depth charges, like you said,
it could come and get you. There could be a malfunction.
And the thing is when a submarine is in danger
of sinking and it goes under the water, there's no
way to go. I mean, one of the things about
if you want to destroyer or a battleship or an
aircraft carrier and it's damaged, you have the option of
getting into a lifeboat or if you need to jump
overboard and hold.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
On to something.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
In a submarine, there's no jumping overboard, there's no there's
no way out. So that's another reason why it was
especially risky and tension film way of serving the Navy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Well, you go into great detail about this and then
let's fast forward, and obviously I don't want a huge
reveal on this, but it's so exciting conceptually that this
is the this is the book selling moment right here,
at this moment in time, Tom claven, let's fast forward
to October twenty fourth, nineteen forty four, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
Eighty one years ago, this Friday, and the Tang is
in the Foremosa Strait, which is off the coast of China,
and it encounters an entire Japanese convoy. Now, some submarines
were operated in packs one one submarine, but the tank
was always a kind of a lone wolf. It was
by itself. I saw this convoy, it couldn't let it
pass pass through. So an attack that took out an

(01:49:49):
entire convoy. It was actually destroying it when it fired
its last torpedo, which boomerang came back and struck the tang.
It sank to adred. It came to the rest of
the bottom a hundred and eighty feet. The captain some
of the crew members managed to survive. It's a really
exciting sequence out of the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Okay, there's a lot of process here. They were sunk
by their own torpedo. I didn't even know that was
a concept, Tom. I guess we're happy we have more
modern technology that can't happen anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:50:17):
One of the reveals I think and running Deep is
how inadequate a lot of our torpedoes were. I mean,
when you watch a movie about World War two and
somebody fires a torpedo, it always hits the target, but
a lot of times too often, and World War to
the reality was that that torpedoes would explode too early,
they would be completely duds, and they can boomerang. They
could the gyroscope would go crazy, and they would come

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around as in case of the tank, and strike the
tank in the stern. It sank stern first. A lot
of the guys and the boat were killed but some
managed to escape and get to the surface where you know,
they went from the frying pants of the fire because
they were rescued by Japanese sailors who weren't too happy
about the submarine that I just destroyed a lot of
the shipping, No.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
I imagine, not so they sink a hundred eighty feet down.
Eighty seven total crew men were on this submarine, which
again I'm trying to struggle with the reality of the
living conditions in this tightest space with eighty seven but
nine and manages to get to the surface. Can I
just say ask, real briefly, how on the hell do

(01:51:17):
you get from one hundred and eighty feet down in
a sealed container to get to the surface.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
Well, you know, there are two or three the captain
and a couple of guys were on the bridge. When
the torpedo hits, they were thrown into the water, but
there were six others down below that. They had this
device called the Bobson lung, which was invented right before
the war, which you put it on and it's sort
of like it's not a scuba diving kind of thing,
and so that's just a little inflatable thing, but The
idea was they could give you enough oxygen to give

(01:51:44):
you a chance to get to the surface. And so
that's what these guys did. They put any Bobson lungs
they got into the escape chamber, they would push down
into the water and they headed for the surface. Some
made it, some did not.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
Now I have to ask you, are these like parachutes?
Every of every one of the eighty seven crewmen had
one of the used to use.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
Well, they were on board, Let's put it that way.
Life preservers. You didn't bother even thinking about them until
you abuly absolutely needed them and hope they would work.
It was like one was issued to every sailor. Was
like hopefully in the escape chamber you'd find them available,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
So when they make it to the top, the remaining
nine survivors and nine survivors, they were in fact captured
by the Japanese and placed in what you described in
the book as a torture camp.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Yeah, torture camp because they they were considered almost like
terrorists because they preyed on civilian shipping, which you know,
like the Japanese equivalent of the Virgin Marine. And so
they were in the brutal conditions very similar to what
the book Unbroken. In fact, Louis Amparini was the hero
of the book Unbroken, was one of Captain o'caine's fellow
officers at this particular torture camp, and Ocine was a

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particular target because once the once they found out he
was the captain of the the submarine that destroyed more shipping,
more of their boats than any ships than any submarine.
They really had it out for him, and he barely survived.
But to the camp we liberated.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Oh I bet he was a target of some serious abuse, sir,
I truly believe. Oh yeah, well, and he did, I guess,
ultimately earn the highest award of the land, the Medal
of Honor, as well as other decorations. Was it for
his service obviously on the Tang, but was because of
this particular operation where they sunk so many this Japanese fleet.

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Is that the basis for his receiving the Medal of Honor.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
Well, I should point out that Richard O'Kane was like
the Audio Murphy of the US Navy. He was the
most decorated naval officer of World War Two, so he
had already been recognized for his service for operating being
the captain of this terrific effective submarine. But I think
what got in the medal of honor is that during
his captivity in the torture camp, he endured, and he

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got his men to endure, he got others to endure.
He was really an inspiration that he would Basically I
almost called this book undefeated. Was used to be defeated
by no matter what the Japanese hold out to him,
And I think that helped other people survive terrific conditions.
So I think the Medal of Honor was different for
his survival and the survival of others.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Wow, and a great lesson to be learned for us
who struggle with you know, a fraction of the day
to day challenges that he struggled with. You know, inspiration
can be derived from a man who walked out of
a torture camp at ninety pounds after being subjected to
that abuse. That's truly, truly something be said, Tom Clay,
And let me ask you this, did you have in
doing your research for this? Did you have access to

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diaries or personal accounts by the people who served on
the submarine. Where did you come up with the information
to understand these day to day conditions and what they
went through.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
Well, I'm leanted to mention that because they when the
survivors of the tank got back to the United States
and once they recovered enough physically from their various injuries,
they were all debriefed. And there's also all histories at
the World Wars Who Center Museum in New Orleans. Richard
o'caine years later, which is to make very interest, he

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wrote a book called Clear the Bridge about his experiences
as a Tang captain, but he only devoted two pages
to his a year long incarceration in the torture camp.
Like even years later he could he couldn't bear to
write about it. There are other officers that kept diary,
so yes, there was, thankfully lucky for me, a lot
of archivo material to draw from.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
How did I'd never heard of the Tang obviously didn't
serve in the military, most notably Navy on a submarine
like Mike did. But how did you learn personally of
the Tang? And Richard O'Kaine to write this book because
this is yet another, as far as I know, untold
story coming out of World War Two. It's twenty twenty five.
You'd think we'd have heard all of this by now, Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
Exactly, how could there still be a story we don't
know about? But again, I was researching something else and
I stumbled upon a mention of Audio Murphy comparing him
to Richard O'Kaine because of being the most decorated officers.
I said, I've never heard of this guy. Most people
have heard of Audio Murphy because he went on to
become a Hollywood star and made movies right like that.
But Richard O'Cain, who the heck is that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
A guy who bore in New Hampshire and he became
one of the most decorator off story of the Navy.
So that's how I sort of stumbled upon it. And
it was one of those things where I just kept
peeling back layers and finding more information, and more information
found out about the Tang. How cold nobody noticed it
about the Tang and the most effective submarine in World
War Two. So the more I learned, the more I realized,
this is just an incredible story, and thankfully it's not

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been told, you know, for a mainstream audience until Running Deep.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
That's why we have you, Tom Claven doing it time
after time after time, twenty five non fiction books. I
guess does this make it twenty six or is this
number twenty five?

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
You know, I'm like Jack Benny, who never got past
age thirty nine. I had twenty five books. That's this
my story. I'm sticking to it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:47):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
Congratulations on the winning of the New York Times bestseller.
Another one. We're going to talk about six New York
Times bestsellers. Everyone's going to want to get a copy
of Running Deep Bravery Survival in the true story of
the deadliest submarine of World War Two. It's always a
pleasure talk when you keep up the great work. And
I know my listen is going to grab up a
copy of this. We've already got out of my blog
page at fifty five karosee dot com to make it
really easy for them to do that. It's a twenty

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one year fifty five car See you talk station. I
hope you're having a really, really decent Wednesday. Stick around.
Judgjenal Pultano's going to be up next. I always enjoy
having him on it. I hope you enjoyed as much
as I do today. The column anyway, A Trumpian headache
talking about bombing narco terrorists or at least a leegened
narco terrorist in distant waters, because somehow they represent an

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eminent threat to our security.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Listen, I know the talking hands. I've heard people talk.
I've heard elected officials of talk. I've heard people have
different points of view. I just don't buy into it.
I don't want drugs in my country. I don't want
drugs in my country. But we live in a smaller
and smaller world. Technology is easier and easier to obtain
and deadly techno is far more easy to obtain than

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it ever has been. And we have crazy people that
run the world. I'm just I just always think of it.

Speaker 11 (01:58:08):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
But for the grace of God, go I. We're the biggest,
baddest country on the block, unmatched American military, unmatched military strength.
We have nuclear capabilities, for God's sake, submarines, the best,
highest quality, most efficient effective weapons on the planet. We
don't really we aren't really concerned about Little Venezuela, you know,

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declaring war on us, and that big existential threat to
some other nation might have the size and scope of
our military is really what prevents other leaders. If I
can use that term loosely from deciding, you know what,
Donald Trump's a terrorist, I'm gonna start dropping bombs on him.
I mean, it's a point that can't be overlooked. But

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if some other country was doing this, I wonder what
our reaction would be as Americans, what the hell is
going on? Most notably a country that may that we
don't agree with, pick China. China started launching missile strikes
into different countries. Maybe China's upset that the fentanyl that

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they gave over to these Mexican cartels or Columbian cartels
or Venezuelan cartels is not making it to its intended destination.
They're attacking our shipments of goods. They're jeopardizing the people
with whom we do business. Maybe we'll launch a drone
strike and hit somebody. I don't know. It is complicated,
but in the final analysis, we've got territorial waters and

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this is what it comes down to for me. You
know they're bad guys, Prove that they got drugs in
the boat, prove they're narco terrorists. Wait till they finally
get here. And I do believe we have sufficient technology
if we can track them off the coast of Venezuela.
We can see the boat, We've got video of it.
We can see the explosion blowing it up. We all says.
We can also see that with a submarine. Oh they
got a submarine had drugs in it, I hope. So anyway, well,

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if you can see over there, why not just track it.
Satellite technology, drone technology, whatever we use to track stuff
and things all over this planet. Follow the submarine and
the minute it gets into us territory of water is
just just unleash hell on them with the coastguard. Pull
them out of the water, arrest them, grab the drugs,
put them on full display, try them, convict them and

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lock them up forever or whatever. I'm not a fan
of the death penalty, This is not me advocating for it,
but maybe they should just impose the death penalty for
NARCO terrorists at least to be a law in the book,
and to be some sort of process that could prove
in court that, yes, without any hesitation, these are bad guys,
convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, and subject them to whatever

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penalty might apply to them. It seems to me that
the an equally effective detern and we wouldn't have these
swirling question marks floating around about hmm. Were they really
narco terrorist or do we believe the Venezuelan government We
just blew a fishing boat out of the water. No,
I don't believe the Venezuelan government, but you got to
recognize that's certainly a possibility. A twenty five if you

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five cares for the toxication. Judjenn of Poultano, I think
on that coming up next, looking forward to that conversation.
Who you can stick around for it? Fifty five karc
when you hear them a Trumpian headache, I enjoyed. You
know you and I are in the minority on this issue,
Judge of Paul Tunno, I think you know that, don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
I do, And it's such a head scratcher to me.
I even included in they're a paragraph that this has
nothing to do with Donald Trump, has nothing to do
with whether you like him or not. It has nothing
to do with whether you think it's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
A maudible goal or not.

Speaker 6 (02:01:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
This has to do with the core American value, which
is due process of law, a very reason we fought
the American Revolution, the reason they wrote the Constitution, the
core of the Fifth Amendment consistently interpreted for two hundred
and fifty years to prevent what's happening right now. Even

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the Nazi saboteurs who were caught in Long Island and
Florida during World War Two, we're given a trial before execution.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
No person shall be de private of liberty or property
without due process of law. Now, right now, there are
a whole bunch of people when I've heard this argument before,
you're honor, so I really want to dive right on
into it that are saying, Wait a second, it's the
United States Constitution. The Constitution provides protection of course and
liberties and freedoms to US citizens. We can't extend it

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out to every human being in the world. That is
not your interpretation of no person shall be the priv
life liberty party that's everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Well, that's not my interpretation. That's the Supreme Court's interpretation.
The word is person. It's not Americans. I didn't put
this in the in the article, and of course I
won't his name, but I received an email from a
very well known retired admiral. I don't know if it's

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two stars or three stars, but it's the second or
third level up there who read a prior piece that
I wrote about this before we knew about the two survivors.
The key to my piece this week is that there
are two survivors, which is the Trumpian headache, because without
leaving their home countries, they can commence an action under

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the Civil Rights Act for the use of official power
to attempt to kill them and to kidnap them. The
admiral said to me, we stopped boats all the time.
We did so only when we had probable cause. We
never killed anybody. If there was probable cause. If we

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found drugs, we seized the boat. We arrested the people
to turn them over. The Coastguard have turned them over
to the Department of Justice. We don't know what happened
to them. It wasn't our job, but we assume they
had a trial. If we had been ordered to kill people,
these stars on my shoulder would have been thrown on
the Secretary of Defense's desk.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Right, we need to stand as a higher, nobler country.
The idea of due process, for me, lends credibility to
our actions. If there's going to be accountability by way
of punishment or even in certain cases, and I don't
believe in the death penalty judge of Poloitano. But if
we're going to execute somebody, you're entitled to due process.
It sends a message to the world that we're not crazy,

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we're not rogue, we're not just running around blowing up
every human being on the planet that we find offence with.
And you know, and to your point, as I said
earlier in the program, I've said before, Okay, you're seeing
a submarine. It's fifteen hundred and two thousand miles away.
You got you've got video of it, you got satellite
tracking of it. Keep your eye on it until it
gets into US waters and it's senting the Coastguard and

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go through the profit. So you just talked about we
don't have the death penalty for drug dealing here in
the United States, Your honor right, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
So you know, I don't know anything about these two survivors.
I don't know about their physical slash medical condition. I
don't know if there are the type of people that
would file this complaint, but I do know that there
are civil rights lawyers trying to find them. Oh yeah,

(02:05:27):
because they need a real living plaintiff who has standing.
And from that story I told you, I put in
there about Don war Alacki's father, where the judge says,
you know, sir, you don't have standing, there's no harm
to you. Your son would have standing. Of course, the
son was obliterated before he could get to a federal court.

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It is clear that these two people have standing to
bring an action against the government, and that would of
course litigate this, That would put before a federal judge.
Trump's claimed powers to kill people in the high seas
if they can get these folks to become plaintiffs, right,
But this is the nightmare for the DOJ. I can

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only imagine because they keep everything secret, that they had
a great debate about what do we do with these people?
The president says, they're drug dealers? Can we just let
them go? Do we have enough evidence to arrest them?

Speaker 14 (02:06:22):
Do we have enough evidence to prosecute them?

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
These must have been the types of questions that the
DOJ was debating in the past week when they took
the safe course of repatriating them, because if they brought
them to the United States, well then there's no question
but that there'd be litigation.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
I almost want to hasten to mention Guantanamo Bay. We
had some due process problems there too as well. We've
talked many times about the torture that went on there
and the problems associated with that. I guess I have
to ask you that g Obay, how.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
Many trials have they had at Guantanamo Bay, emanating from
nine to eleven?

Speaker 9 (02:07:02):
There you go zero?

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
Remember zero?

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Zero? What would the form of the and I know
there's a lawyer out there that would love to find
these guys, as you pointed out, what would the nature
of the claim against the US government? Is it a
civil rights violation? Do process violation?

Speaker 6 (02:07:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
Yes, Now normally this is a criminal case. Normally, a
government agent who used the force of law illegally to
attempt to kill somebody or to kidnap them would be
prosecuted by the DOJ. Obviously, the DOJ is not going
to prosecute the President or Pete Hegseeth or an admiral

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or even a guy in a Navy jet that dropped
the bombs at the boat. So it would be a
civil case alleging the undercolor of law, the government tried
to kill them. You know, this wasn't Donald Trump with
a personal pistol. This was the government trying to kill them,

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and then this was the government kidnapping them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
This is basically a.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
Bivens case, Brian. Now the court has made these Bivens cases.
Bivens is a famous case from the sixties in which
a person was terribly beaten up in their home Ranseact
and their freedom curtailed by federal agents who never identified themselves.
I never even acknowledged that they work for the federal government.

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Bivens eventually succeeded. But these types of cases suing the
government for using the powers of the law illegally to
harm a person are not favored by the courts and
are difficult to prosecute. But this is one that ought,
in my view to be aired because Congress is gutless.

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The President intimidates everybody around him, and he can't just
keep killing people again.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
You and I are not going to argue about this.
We have congressom asses and Senator ran Palmer's side anyway,
which I think gives us street credibility. Judge Napolitan, at
least one of my listeners. They can feel free to disagree,
but expedience is no justification for tossing out constitutional rights.
I'll hang my hat on that all day. Log jud
Jenna Politano, beautiful, insightful article you wrote coming out tonight,

(02:09:18):
a Trumpian headache. I'm fortunate to get enough earlier. Who's
on the show today, Judging Freedom, You're honor.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
I have Aaron Monte, the Great Phil Giraldi. He is
the XCIA agent who told George W. Bush Saddam Hussein
does not have weapons of mass destruction and Bush threw
them out. And the Great Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Phil on Venezuela,
Aaron on Gaza, Professor Sachs on what's Israel's next move?

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
Well, interesting conversations. As always, I'll encourage my listeners to
check it out wherever they get their podcast Judging Freedom
and always tune into fifty five Cabassey Morning Show every
Wednesday at eight thirty Judged and Apaulo. Please welcome to
the top casing show running for Cincinna City Council. Guess
what open voting? It's you can vote today if you want,
go to the Hamilin County Bard of Elections cast to vote.
It's early voting. We have until the first Tuesday of

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November to get the vote. Casts. Don't let it go
your vote. Your vote is worth so much in downtown Cincinnati,
only twenty five maybe thirty percent of We're lucky you're
going to vote, meaning you have a lot of power
in your vote, and you might want to consider Lakita
Cole as a choice running as a Charter Right candidate.
Lakita Cole dot com. L A k E.

Speaker 6 (02:10:28):
T A.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
Colecol dot com. Lakida Cole. It's great to have you
here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

Speaker 16 (02:10:34):
Good morning, good morning, Good morning Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
Well, I hope people remember you. Happy to do it.
You did serve as a city council member, You were
chief of staff, council aid, a state legislator. You held
senior roles within community a city administration. You obviously have
a connection of familiarity with the system, so people can't
call you inexperienced. Lakita. Let's jump right to Police Chief
Teresa Thigi. She was put on administrative leave, and I

(02:10:59):
guess according to her lawyers, no reason whatsoever was cited.
They did not cite some sort of, you know, problem
with her work experience. How she it's just it's a
big mystery. And her lawyer was out yesterday saying that
she can only be dismissed for costs because she's been
an employee for more than six months, so the city
charter prevents her from being let go. But I don't

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know what her status is, whether she's been fired or
merely placing your own administrative leave crosses that barrier. But
this all seems to be very politically motivated as we
fast approached the November election day. What's your take on this,
Lakita Cole.

Speaker 16 (02:11:36):
I definitely agree with that, And it's ridiculous because just
a month ago, the city manager and the mayor was
just praising her, So you know, a month later, you're
making her escapegoat. And you know, just the way they're
doing things is just chaotic, and it just shows you
that there's no real vision down there. There's no you know, lack,
there's a lack of urgency of what to do. And

(02:11:59):
you know, you know, you can't sem out fire her
because there is violence. There's no police chief in this
country can guarantee you that there's not going to be violent, right,
you know, and and it's just it just tells you
that there's so much dysfunction going on down there. I mean,
look what they did with the fire chief they're gonna
have to back cut on that. It's just it's just

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totally dysfunction and chaotic. It just shows you that this,
you know, the mayor and the city manager, it seems
like they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:12:30):
I think you summed it up quite nicely. Therelakita, I mean,
this is almost a mirror image of what they did
to Uh. To the to the fire chief. I mean,
he's one of his case wrongfully terminated. He's waiting to
get a big check written by the taxpayers of the
City of Cincinnati. It looks like check number two exactly. Yeah,
check number two is coming our way exactly.

Speaker 16 (02:12:49):
Exactly. What's gonna happen with with the police? With the
police chief, I'm like getting together. I mean it's it's
you got news conferences. Like I said, just last month,
you were praising her right job. So now you put
on you call her back in, so you tanged her
in front of all the police chiefs. You know, this
is just not the way you handle things now.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
But the nature of the role as police chief or
fire chief as the case maybe, has changed dramatically since
Issue five passed. No longer do the members of the
unions of the police force choose their own police chief.
It's now in the hands of two people, the mayor
and the city manager. So they have a tremendous amount
of control and sway over the job. Because they're in
a position to fire someone. I guess they could make

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up cause, but they could get easily rid of it.
So it's been suggested. I heard it from the FOP president.
I've heard it from others that she was following the
directive of aftab Purvol and the city manager. So she
did what they said, and in doing what they say,
in terms of law enforcement, crime became a real problem.

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So by following their directive, she ends up without a job,
or at least on administrative leave. I'm not quite sure.
I mean, I think I smell a rat here Lakeiita Cole.

Speaker 16 (02:14:01):
I'm in total agreements with you, quite quick. A ducks.
It's a duck, quite quack. And this is why it's
definitely impairtive for what you said at the beginning. We
have to change what's going on down there. Not only then,
I'm gonna tell you you know, we definitely need to
get a recall, a ballot initiative, a recall for the
mayor a ballot initiative. And it also shows you that

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this function of what when we passed that the only
person that can bring up the city manager for firing
is the mayor. I just don't think that that's will
be the way it should go. I think there needs
to be something where maybe the supermajority can bring up
the city manor there up as well. But they have
is in the hands of one person, and especially when

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that person don't know what they're doing, and it's obvious
because look what happened. What's going on? I mean, never
in the history have I ever heard you have to
have eighteen thousand citizens from one neighborhood do a go
forward a ballot initiative on an issue that you passed
the council pass. I'll tell you this council is so dysfunctional.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
Lakita, I can't believe. I'm so happy you brought that up,
because I was clearly going to ask you about Hyde Park,
but also Bondhill. So I see your website and I
love the way you've outlined your platform. C l E
see Community Council reformed, the oh oppose connected communities, zoning,
one size fits all. You are not entitled to choose
your own destiny any of the fifty two neighborhoods. I

(02:15:30):
thought that was offensive. Clearly, Hyde Park thought of defensive.
We don't have to get a ballot INITIATI on which
made have to have pro ball pull the plug on
the well connected development waiver a community to community connected communities.
Bondhill had a similar problem. I think every neighborhood should
be able to control their own destiny when it comes
to housing and development.

Speaker 16 (02:15:49):
I totally agree. Last Friday, you know, I'm the vice
president of Bonham Community Council. Last Friday I spent my
Friday evening with the community count with our community trying
to come up with some type of way that we
can work through the of the day break issue and
get a benefit of agreement or something we can actually
developer try to sell back. I mean, we should not

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be having him to spend on our Friday evenings doing
this because of this city Council and its administration just
will not listen. Right. They are so dysfunctional, but yet
they seem to think they know what's going on, and
they do not. They are so disconnected. I wish I
had a d in my name, so I can say disconnected.

Speaker 1 (02:16:32):
You correcting me up Lakita. All right, so we have
a crime problem. Obviously, I suppose if you were in charge,
would you have accepted all of the that I underscore
this word free offer of assistance from governor to wine.
He offered Ohio State Police, Ohio State but you police
to work every day of the month. Mayor, I have

(02:16:52):
to have purvo. At first only took two days and
now he's up to a total of four days. Crime
is a twenty four to seven all month long problem
with Kida. What would you recommend her? If you were
in his position, would you have taken all the relief
that the Wine was offering?

Speaker 16 (02:17:06):
You know, no, because I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm fearful that they would be you know, we would
be over police and they don't know our community. However,
what I would do, what I would make sure that
we have what we had before under the one of
the police sheets. We had those pockets of like community
area policing, We had citizens on patrol, we had our

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community leaders out there in those pockets where they were
the crime was very high and up, and that therefore
people can pay attention to what's going on. I don't
believe that you make this school also the escapegoat about
what's going on down up Found Square. What you do
is is when I was in school, we had those
Metro buses diverted from away from downtown. In fact, what
they did is they brought the kids directly to the schools.

(02:17:50):
That's what they need, That's what needs to happen. You
need to work with the Metro and figure out a
way of having those kids go directly to the schools
and not and diverted away from downtown. Never my history
of everything swat having to patrol Fountain Square, swat patrolling
Felton Square. That is disfunctional at its highest level.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
I understand, and obviously we have a growing problem with
young people in society and I personally La Kita. You
can disagree with me if you want, that's fine. I
believe it's a consequence of the breakdown of the nuclear family.
I know, I don't know how you grow up. But
I had a curfew in the house, and if I
wasn't home by curfew and I didn't call ahead of
time saying I needed some extra time, I was in

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for a world of hurt. My parents would be sitting
there waiting for me to walk in the front door.
So I wasn't able to run a muck. Now, if
we could, if if government could change the reality of
what's going on in any given household, fine, but you can't.
A teacher can't change the life that that child has
grown up with as much as we wanted, they're overwhelmed
with a challenge. So I know you've you've got a

(02:18:52):
like reaching out ideas about listening to parents and talking
directly with youth. How come might we use that concept
to change what's going on with our young people?

Speaker 16 (02:19:01):
Lakita Sure, Yeah, So I have been out there talking
with the young people. I spend some time and they can.
I spend some time with Woodword and many of those
kids are saying they really just want an opportunity more
than just fast foods. And they also want a place
to go our recreation center. Because I said, well what
about our recreation centers? They don't feel like they're inviting
and the opening to them. Many of them say that
they go in, they can't come back out. They go

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in and they leave, they can't come back. If they
go to get something to eat, they can't come back.
In it's just not an opening and welcoming environment for them.
So we have to make sure that if we have
these recreation centers in our communities, they open to them,
to have somewhere for them to go. You're absolutely right.
We can't police somebody inside their home. But we can't
do is demand some opportunities for these young people. The

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demand for example, you have the trades, you have apprenticeships.
These young kids are looking for an opportunity. They don't
want to just hang out. They don't want to just
have a fast food restaurant. They want more. They want
a career path. And that's what we need to have.
We need to bring back as I keep CCY and
bring it in house, yes, and not have it outside house,
but have it in house well, we actually can control

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the milestones and making sure that it's doing what it's
supposed to do, and if not, then we change courses.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
Trades are a great option for literally anybody. You can
earn what you learn, and artificial intelligence cannot take away
a plumber's employment or electricians for that. For that example,
see Community council Reform, OH appose connected communities, zoning, l
listen to citizens in youth e expand Council transparency. Lakitacole

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dot com. Read about her platform, learn about her and
it's open voting. Can go ahead and vote for Lakita.
If you like Lakida, best of luck, vote for Cole.
Go to the polls, vote for Coal. I love it.
Very nice conversation, say.

Speaker 16 (02:20:46):
Vote, look, look both smarter, vote for Charter.

Speaker 1 (02:20:50):
There you go, and you got Steve good in the
midst too. We're all big fans of Steve Gooden as well.
Good luck Lakita, best of luck if you get elected,
bring about some pops. It have changed for the city
that we all.

Speaker 16 (02:21:01):
Love a great I will thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
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