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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Talk Station five o five. If it's about k r
C the talk station every Wednesday, it's kind of like
a Monday for me.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
A vacation and that's the way.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, thank you very much, Rick, And it's nice to
be back, although in a weird, weird, weird way, I
really don't know what day it is kind of strange.
I can take the days off, but I certainly appreciate uh, Garaed,
Jeff Walker and Darren Caroll covering for me for the
last couple of days using up my vacation days before
I lose them. Joe Strekker in the user or losing
mode as well. Good to see you, Joe Strecker. I
hope you, uh well were able to handle it without me.

(00:55):
I know you did anyway. Uh, what is going on
on the great big world that we live in? Got
some issues regarding budgeting. Hamilon County Prosecutor may have to
cut the prosecutor's office, which is not a good thing.
To get to that most notably, we'll get to that
at the end of the show. Because Alisha Reese, I'm
excited to have Alisha Rese on the program. Seems to
be the only one that has a concern over crime

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and the prosecutor's office in these budget discussions. Hamilin County
Commissioner Lisa Reese is on the program today at eight
forty five. Tail end of the show, we'll talk county
budget and the prosecutor really begging not to have the
budget cut. Why, Well, because we don't want to defund
the prosecutor's office. Enter the discussion of prioritization. Hmmm, we
have a fine that amount of money, apparently an infinite

(01:39):
number of asks. What is most important to the county residents.
I'll get to some details on that. Of course, this
morning preceded by Alisha Reice, will be preceded by Judgenna
Poalicano Kill them All, which is a nice topic to
talk about with Judge Enna Poaltown. Of course, Donald Trump
wanting to blow up land targets in Venezuela, well, we

(02:00):
all know where the judge is on that. We all
know where Senator Ran Paul is in that. I hope
you know. And of course Congressman Thomas Massey joins the
program today at eight oh five. We're talking about the
pipe bomber who has been id Erkele is the pipe
bomber US needs to get out of NATO, says Congressman Massy,
And I'm kind of feeling that way myself anymore. I

(02:21):
think about the European Union and how far left there
are a bunch of socialists. They're not about freedom, They're
about eradication of freedoms. Look at some of the decisions
and the prosecutions they've had in any going after people
just making utterances free speech doesn't exist. One of the
huge differences we have in terms of, you know, freedoms

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and liberties and what we typically fight for as Americans
compared to the European Union NATO generally speaking, I'm not
quite sure Congressman Massi wants to get out of NATO,
but of course he's going to explain that to us.
Coming up in at oh five plus blowing up drug
smugglers topic number three with Congressman Massie as we segue
over to Judge Nittapolitano, and they're gonna be there's gonna
be a vote this week on blocking or rather next

(03:02):
week on blocking Trump insofar as Ben as well as
concerned or maybe they'll approve it. Get to that today
as well. Preceded by Laurence Stewart subbing in for Donald
and Neil from Americans for Prosperity. Today with Laurence Stewart,
we'll talk about Obamacare subsidies, another topic. The Republicans have
a different strategy to go forward. The idea of extending

(03:25):
the Obamacare subsidies is still alive and well. Of course,
after the government shut down. The opening of the government
was coupled with an agreement by the Republicans that we
would have a voter, they would have a vote on subsidies.
While that votes fast approaching. So where is AFP on that?
Seven thirty with Laurence Stewart, Plus it's Wednesday, we get
the big picture with Jack Avidan find out together what

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he means by the topic this morning, Love and Terror
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at and T phone. Yeah, real quick here War Powers resolution.
This has been advanced by a bunch of Democrats and
Senator Rampaul comes as no surprise to me. Would bar
us military strikes on Venezuela unless Congress authorizes them? See

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your Constitution.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Of course, Trump administration officials claim this campaign is lawful
under existing counter narcotic and Narcotics Authorities laws. White House
also maintains the operations do not constitute hostilities under the
War Powers Act. I suppose the beauty in the I
the beholder on that one. I mean, I'm rather objective
on this. If we as a country are launching missiles

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and blowing up targets into another country, seems to me
that as an active aggression, some might call it an
active war. I know we are free are on the
receiving end of missiles from some other country. Don't you
think we would call it an active war? We certainly did,
at least in so far as the bombing of the
the Twin Towers and other sites nine to eleven sticks

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in my mind. At least it brought forth an authorization
for use of military force, a justification to go fight
terrorism literally on the four corners of the globe for
well decades. But at least you could hang your hat
on the authorization for use of military force. Is it
a good thing to go after the drug smugglers? I

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think it is generally speaking. Do they represent an eminent
threat to the United States if they're fifteen hundred miles away?
This is, of course the point of discussion, complicated issue,
without question, but it's going to be brought up for
a vote. Now, where will our elected officials be on this?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Now? This was.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Addressed before. Back in November, Senator Kaine's resolution defeated in
the Senate fifty one forty nine Rand Paul Lisa Murkowski
both the only Republicans that support of it. Democrats are
of course going to need quite a few more Republicans
to come over to the vote next week, and then,
of course, if it clears the Senate, which seems like
a huge question mark, still the House needs to act.

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Similar resolution was previously voted in the lower chamber by
Democratic Representatives Jaquen Castro and Jim mcgovernor Massachusetts, along with
Congressman Thomas Massey. So Trump indicated he would oppose any
limits to his ability to confront narcotics traffick arders over seas.
And of course, so if that goes through, I don't
know what position is Donald Trump is going to be
in so far as vetoing or well, they'd have to

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give him approval. If it fails, then there's nothing to veto,
is there. Then it becomes a question of what authority
Donald Trump has continuing without an authorization for you, some
military force or a declaration of war would just means
sort of like status quo. Right, are we running headlong
into a war with Venezuela? So those are we'll be
diving on in deep with those with Massy and Judge

(06:43):
Jenna Politano as well. So let us move a forward.
Let's see here. Oh yeah, considering Alisha Reese is going
to be on the program, and thank you Alicia in
advance for doing that. Hamilton County Prosecutor is a little
bit concerned they're facing a potential cuts of staff, which
Hamilon County Prosecutor Connie Pilach is a little concernment it'll
make residents less safe. She asked the three Democratic commissioners

(07:08):
at the meeting yesterday to reconsider the cuts in the
recommended county budget, which she claims will force the office
to cut ten percent of the staff for eighteen positions.
Alisha Reese sayce the first time she's ever seen a
prosecutor come in personally to deal with this. In a

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presentation regarding the budget, Connie Pillage did the majority of
her staff positions are assistant prosecutors, and to cut nearly
ten percent of them would, in her words, be catastrophic
for the mission of this office and public safety for
of our county. She said they're dealing with more cases
to Grand Jerry's larger number of indictments in twenty twenty

(07:53):
five compared to twenty twenty four. Ask yourself why that
might be. City manager says everything, says, everything is glowing.
What an awesome job I've done, City manager or released
her report over an assessment while they struggle also with
a thirty two point one million dollar fiscal deficit for
the next calendar year. That's the city budget, independent of
the county budget, so they've got more crime to deal with,

(08:18):
more complex cases. She Connie Pillage actually asked to add
ten full time employees, three for the Conviction Integrity Unit,
three felony assistant prosecutors, a data analyst, and a juvenile
court assistant prosecutor, as well as two victim advocates, saying,
our budget request is tightly focused on improving public safety.

(08:39):
I can't do anything if I have to cut nearly
ten percent of my staff. Because we do that, we
can't handle the caseload that we have now, and that
appears to be increasing. Why might it be increasing? Are
there more crimes being committed? Some say no, others porting
to the fact that, yeah, actually crime has increased. Are

(09:01):
is Connie Pillars taking your job seriously? Apparently so? Maybe
since a police department has decided the job is worth
doing and arresting people and setting them over to the
prosecutor's office is actually a good thing in order to
reduce violence in the city. You know that deterrence leg
of the criminal justice system we talk about all the time.
Maybe they're stepping up. Anyway, number of cases the prosecutor's
office has to deal with is on the increase. And

(09:23):
I take Connie Pillach at her word on that. Do
you know how difficult it is to prosecute one of
these things? And here's a couple of components on this.
It is very difficult. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is
the highest legal standard. It's you know, it's not fifty percent,

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it's not seventy five percent, it's like ninety five percent
in your mind, guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That takes evidence.
It takes a lot of hard work on behalf of
the prosecutors and their staff putting on a together, they've
got to go to court.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
And prove it.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Or or here's my concern. With an overwhelming case load
and a reduction in budget and perhaps having to get
rid of ten percent of the Hamilton County Prosecutor's staff,
they won't prosecute them they aren't capable of it. Or
I think what ultimately that will lead.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
To is.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Right, what are you thinking, guilty? Please negotiated settlements reduced
well exposure to the crime, settling them out of court
because they don't have the resources to go ahead with
the full prosecution. Yeah, that is what I see happening,
which means, you know, a lot of bad people will

(10:42):
not be going to jail. It's just not within their
ability to take these cases to trial. So we'll see.
Re said she wanted to consider the county's priorities after
agreeing to contribute three hundred and fifty million dollars for

(11:03):
paid course stadium at lease with the Bengals. This is
why I think I like Alisha Reves more than the
other prosecutors. At least she acknowledged this. What's more important
the Bengals stadium upgrades or well making sure we lock
up bad guys in Hamilton County not giving them a
plea agreement, a soft plea agreement, because they don't know
the resources to take him to trial. You think the

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word's going to get out among the defense community. Hamilton
County Prosecutor's office is short on prosecutors. They don't have
the ability to get these things the trial. I can
see that happening. Alisha rees if you could stand for
the Bengals and get a deal done, deal done, I
would hope we could stand with the prosecutor's office and

(11:44):
get a deal done. Gay Elisa reefs, So is this
part of the defunding reality that we're still sort of
dealing with in the background. Nobody talks about the defund
police movement. That's kind of gone by the wayside, But
those people are still alive and well. I'm sure Iris
Rollie is still not a fan of the police department.
She's always around since a city council and influencing them,

(12:04):
apparently with pretty significant ability. So if you defund the
prosecutor's office, it's effectively like defunding the police. Police aren't
picking them up because they've been defunded or otherwise told
not to do their job. Prosecutor's office could be as
diligent as they want to throw people in jail. But
if you have someone who's a diligent prosecutor who's interested

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in being hard on the criminals and sending them away
for as long as possible, and you can't do that,
that's like another leg of the defund the police. Basically,
don't go after bad guys. Five eighteen Right now, fifty
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Who what Pat's got this morning? Pat, thanks for calling.

(13:30):
Happy Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Happy Wednesday to you, Brian. Regarding the Hamilton County and
the cutbacks, my brother, who has lived in the Ova
Ryan area for over twenty five years and who is white,
well known down there, well known and advocates for helping
the helpless down there, he was attacked three weeks ago
by another white man. He was sucker punched and kicked

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to the ground. While on the ground, he was kicked
three times in the head. Had it not been for
the black neighborhood coming at his rescue, he might not
be with us today.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Anyway. They had the.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Assailant arrested and my brother was told, you know, he'll
get a notice on the mail when this is going
to go to court. Well, yesterday I called him to
see how he was feeling, and he told me he
had called the prosecutor's office and they told him the
case was dismissed. Dismissed, no record, no nothing else that

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was it dismissed.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh, my lord, based upon he wasn't given any specific
reason why I was dismissed.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, sir, not one reason.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, that's extremely troubling. I suppose. I mean, I know
that there is a civil cause of action for someone
who beats you up. You can sue them civilly for
the damage that you suffered. But you've of course got
a lawyer up and go after him, so there's still
some legal recourse. But the mystery, obviously is why the
case was have been dismissed. I mean, I can understand
if they called up and said the guy entered a

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plea agreement, he copped a plea to a lesser offense,
and you know, we gave him six month probation or
whatever that happens all the time. Much of this chagrin
of people who hadn't been beaten up otherwise criminally harmed,
but that I would demand answers on that to the
extent you can. What did he do when he found out?

Speaker 5 (15:22):
I agree with you one hundred percent. In fact, my
neighbor is a retired since today policeman and that was
his neighborhood. And when I text him, he says, it's typical.
He said, we put him in jail and they let
him out before.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
We were back in the car.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
But if you have a victim pressing charges, see you
know he may get into the complexities of the criminal
justice system that I may be unfamiliar with. But that
just doesn't seem to make any sense.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
I just think it's typical of the shenanigans that's going
on down there in Hamilton County.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think, Pat, you may have hit the nail on
the head right there. I wouldn't correct though if I would,
if I was him, I would do everything in my
power to to try to get to the bottom of that.
Just I mean, I'm sure my listeners would love to
know how that how that could happen. And you know what,
and since you mentioned it, I will applaud every single
human being who came to his rescue, came to his aid,

(16:12):
and we are all, I think, has some obligation to
do what we can in those circumstances and not just
stand around and take video of it with our cell
phone cameras.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Right, Pat, Yes, sir, you are correct.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
One of the go ahead, I'm sorry, no, go.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Ahead, right.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
One of the folks did take did take videos of
the guy attacking him, and the lady brought it to
my brother's attention because he was just going to say
the heck with it. I'm not going to go after
the guy apparently standing there. He's either the guy's either
mental or he's seeking drugs.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
But well, so much for the civil case there, Pat,
You know what, squeeze and blood, blood out of a
Turnip's like, it's an impossibility. So if you've got a
major drug problem guy, he is not going to have
any assets or resources to go after civilly, Well he was.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
He wasn't that.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
He's not the type of grafter room for money. I
wasn't a case. So get the guy off the street.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, what a shame.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Pat.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I feel badly for him, and I would love to
know and get an answer. Maybe, Hey, Joe, do you
think Hemlin County Prosecutor Pillots be happy to come on
the fifty five Cassey Morning should talk about that one,
don't Okay, don't laugh so hard, Joe, I have twenty
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city's got a budget problem. To other local stories or
phone calls. Either way, we Go'll be right back twenty
twenty five a year. Then we'll be five nine after
see if you can make it one uh sadly on
local stories before he gets to Tom, who's on the phone,
five one three, seven four nine fifty five hundred. I
just got a text from Westside Jim Keefer, front of
the show, friend of the community, right down the street

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from him, within a quarter mile of his house. There
was a murder at the Papa John's on West eighth
eleven o'clock last night, right quarter mile away from his house,
a little too close for comfort west Side Jim, so
sorry about the neighborhood there. Maybe Connie Pilach, if budget
won't cut, won't get cut. We'll find some money. They
can bring him the justice. We'll find out. Tom, thanks
for calling man. Happy Wednesday to you, Hey, good morning.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
I I hear the story of the guy that's the
last caller there, Pat, And my first question is how
many more of those stories are there? Because you know
that's not the only one, and you know stuff like that,
it's probably been going on for a long time, But

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to what degree how much is it happening? And I,
you know, we don't really know the exact answer to that,
but I think it's safe to assume that this is
a growing trend. Let's get rid of these people. There's
no way, you know, what are we going to waste
our time trying to trying to prosecute you again. I
don't know the exact merit to the case or details,

(19:00):
but you know, based on what he said, it sounds like,
you know, they're gonna go after some guy that's drugged
up or mentally unstable or whatever. And I'm sure they
they kick a lot of those, you know, out just
to save themselves time. But yeah, you gotta you gotta
involve the uh, you got to involve the victim.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
You have you have to.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
I mean, we years ago, we were involved in something
and and and to the prosecutor's office credit and handle
the county. They they kept in touch with this. They
asked us our opinion, and here's where we're here's where
we're wanting to go, and and and all that. So,
you know, at the very least, talk to us, tell
us what you want to do, Explain to us the
you know, uh, it just takes a phone call or

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you know, have us come in and do a conference
or whatever, and hey, here's the here's the case, here's
what's going on, here's what we think. What do you
want to what do you want to do about that?
Or here's why we can't do that something at least
let us know, you give a crack. And and so
when you have when you have people that run these
run these administrations or whatever that clearly don't give a

(20:04):
crap and they're just in there to push their agenda,
well you know, it's a very unsettling, and you're just
letting criminals out. And then of course the criminal element
hears about this, and what do you think they're gonna
do You think you're gonna Oh, you think they're gonna
be worried and scared. Of course not. Well the other thing,
Oh wow, get out of jail free. We don't even
have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
The other component of this TOM is if they don't
prosecute and they drop the charges, I would rather them
have forced the guy to at least admit to a
lesser charge, get a plea agreement, get him to have
something identified on his record, because this person has probably
been involved in the criminal justice system quite a few times,
and you can at least build up a record. Now,

(20:46):
let's say this guy's got like fifteen priors, well there
would have been sixteen. If they'd move forward, it would
obviously establish a better record. So the next time he
comes into court, maybe the judge will wake up and say,
we really need to deal with this person. But if
there's nothing there, then there's no record that he is
a recipt of his criminal And I don't know anything
about this particular guy. Maybe he's never been involved with
the criminal justice system ever. I don't know based upon

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the call. But there's that element of it as well.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, because we've all heard enough stories of actual cases
where somebody's racked up fifteen, sixteen, twenty cases and it's like,
what are we doing here? Why are we Why are
we not letting people know that you know, you're not
going to get away with that. Now you're going to
be held accountable. And that's a problem. And it's more
of a problem when you have Democrats running these administrations, obviously,

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And just look at the cities that have the biggest
crime problems, and you know, Cincinnati is up on that list.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Number twenty five all Democrat homicide rate top US thirty
cities by homicide raid. We are number twenty five.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, I mean, that's and that's because we're I don't know,
our priorities are in the wrong place clearly. So obviously
the answer to this is don't vote Democrat. Have a
great day, Brian.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Thanks Tom, You do the same. Oh that do we
have time for Jay? You mean to hold Jay Welcome
to the program, Joe says, we have enough time. Could
you hear from you this morning?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Jay?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Happy Wednesday?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Hey, good morning, Brian.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
Hey.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
I wanted to thank Alisha Reese. It wasn't for her
talking about if we can afford money for our football
team for football tax, I call it, maybe we could
put a little bit into crime prevention. It wasn't that
long ago, though, to be honest that I remember, I
think she was. She was counseling than Alisha Reese. She

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was pushing hard for we need to get up to
Columbus and get our face in the public trough because
if the Browns are going to get six hundred million
dollars in football tax, doesn't don't the Bengals deserve six hundred.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Million dollars in football tax.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
So I'm glad she's coming around, and I'm glad she
came around, and I just want to acknowledge that, yep,
and so good for her and hopefully she can kind
of hold this ground and quit trying to put more
football tacks coming out of our paycheck and then real
quick this time of year, just to remind listeners, the
reason for Christmas is to remember that Christ paid it

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all when he died on that cross. We don't have
to try to earn our way into heaven.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
He paid it all and that is the gift of Christmas.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
So anybody that thinks that maybe they're not doing enough,
you know, President Trump said a little while ago that
he wasn't doing so good and he had to end
US war in Ukraine in order to earn his way
into heaven. It's heartbreaking. If you're a Christian, you've accepted Christ.
He paid it all. All you have to do is
accept the gift. There's nothing you can do other than
accept the gift and remember that's the reason for Christmas.

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And following brother Tom, don't vote Democrat, don't vote Rhino,
and have a good day.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Brian glad he ate it on that little extra point there,
Jay appreciated. Okay, so yes, celebrate Christmas for that, but
also celebrated because it was the Birth of Jesus Christ.
I think Easter is more for the resurrection either way.
I mean the concept is right there. And watch Charlie
Brown's Christmas KR seat Leap talk station five fifty five

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car see the talk station Happy Wednesday, do a stack
and stupid to get into five were three seven four
nine fifty eight two three talk for a calling. Uh,
but it's bringing from Pats call where his brother got
beat up and they didn't prosecute the guy beat him up.
I'm headed to bring this up because I'd see the
Cincinni Quiry reporting camera night. Alex Trevinsky, he's on trial.

(24:36):
Remember Alex charged with a misdemeanor in the viral downtown
beat down that brought the world's attention of the city
of Cincinnati. Yeahs. Trial attorney asked h for a continuance,
saying the prosecution filed information, but at least one surprise
witness and they hadn't time to research the witness. Also,
some of the developments have come up. Ah well, everyone

(24:57):
kind of says and sort of believes that Travince he
acted in self defense during the confrontation. Remember, he got
hit approximately twenty eight times to his head and his face.
He was just merely trying to defend himself. He didn't
incite the violence, and yet they're expending valuable and limited

(25:18):
prosecutorial resources to continue to go after this guy. In
what world does this happen where they let people off
and do not prosecute them for crimes that we have
actual witnesses to. And as Pat pointed out, there's a
video of his brother being beaten up by this guy,
but no prosecution. Go ahead, figure that one out. If
you can't explain it to me, feel free to give

(25:38):
me a call and explain it to me. This is great.
The twenty twenty six World Cup. It's coming the United States, Mexico,
and Canadian and Canada are going to be hosting it.
And last week the presidents of all three countries attended
and participated in the draw to determine which teams were
playing in which groups. And yes, in the United States,
one of the host cities, our favorite, Seattle, the match

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in Seattle taking place June twenty six. You can't make
this up, but prior to the draw, local organizers in
Seattle decided that the theme for that particular night, twenty
sixth June, will be LGBTQ plus RSWXYZ Pride Night, because
June is something called Pride Month. Who's playing in the

(26:27):
June twenty sixth match in Pride celebrating Seattle? Egypt and Iran?
What In case you haven't gotten a memo yet. Iran
follows drix sharia law, which means if you're gay, you're
probably going to be well flogged, end up in jail,

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or face the death penalty. I'm sure my listeners remember
reading many articles they've read over the years about what
happens to gay lesbians, homosexuals, anybody in the LGBTQ plus rainbow.
They end up dying or get mistreated, to say the
least article I was reading on this one back in
twenty thirteen, seventeen people arrested and some beaten for attending

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a gay birthday party County year twenty two to sixteen
year old quote unquote queer activists disappeared and murdered by
Iranian security officials. The list goes on and on and on.
Egypt described as a little bit more liberal as of
twenty twenty four. It's the laws do not outright ban homosexuality,
but it does use other quote unquote criminal acts like

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indecency and debauchery to punish people who participate in intimate
same sex acts with up to three years in prison
and a fine, and law enforcement searches dating apps to
hunt these people down. Notably, the Pride branding for the

(27:53):
twenty sixth of the June Game is not a FIFA initiative. Now,
I'm gonna ask anybody believe that the the Iranians and
the Egyptians are actually going to stand for this. They're
going to be in a stadium filled with more gay
pride for flags, and you could shake a stick at.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
This.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
This is something they are fundamentally opposed to, at least
from an Islamic perspective. So, yeah, that was a great one.
You know, It's something I think God has a great
sense of humor. I mean, seriously, what are the odds?
And hell, maybe it was fixed to end up that way. Anyway,
it made the stack of stupid and I think it

(28:33):
was worthy. Five forty five fifty five care City Talk
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be back, although I did really enjoy my time off.
Thanks again. Garrey, Jeff Walker and Dan Carroll Cover in

(28:54):
formed me back to the stack is stupid. We've got
a Palm Coast, Florida. Twenty seven year old Kyl Poe
pulled over a police on the twenty ninth morning of
twenty ninth November because she was driving in the wrong
direction and then failed to yield or come to a
complete stop when turning around, stopping in the middle of
the intersection after officers turned on their lights. Flagler County

(29:16):
Sheriff's Office release pointing this out. Officers approached the vehicle
found Poe in the driver's seat, her two year old
in the back seat, along with another woman probably cause
statement obtained by long Crime and well of course reported
by it. While speaking with Poe, I observed slurred speech,
watery and bloodshot eyes, delayed reaction time, and difficulty with

(29:37):
divided attention. Poe asked to exit the vehicle, which she did. However,
she exhibited difficulty in maintaining her balance upon standing, although
a post said she had not consumed any substances that
might impair driving ability. Officers conducted a sobriety test and
observed multiple signs of inebriation that are brought to the

(30:00):
police station. Officers reportedly told her to take off her
socks and saw seven and a half pills, which were
later identified as xanax fallout Yes, Sir Joshtracker cord to
the press release, A further search found more Xanax pills
wrapped in clear plastic concealed inside Poe's genital area. Deputy

(30:22):
to transport a Poe to the jail reviewed or patrol
vehicles backseat camera was showed Poe removingn item from the
panning of her bra and place it into her genital
area as tradition it is, isn't it? Court to Sheriff
for Eckstali in a statement, the first this woman did
something incredibly dangerous and stupid by driving under the influence
of drug with a young toddler in the car. Then
on her way to the jail. She thought she would

(30:43):
not get caught with xanax, trying to hide it in
body cavities, but she got hot caught in now Face's
additional felony charge charge of driving under the influence, refusal
to submit to DUI testing, smuggling controlled substances, controlled substances
with an intent to sell, and tampering with evidence. Now

(31:05):
the interest of FCC compliance, I can't say out loud
the full word that was used, but this is an
illustration of the problems that we face versus our quote
unquote friends on the other side of the big pond,
the Atlantic Ocean. Elizabeth Kinney, thirty four year old single
mother from a Tranmere, mary Side I believe this is UK,
dragged naked from her bathtub last month when eleven police officers,

(31:30):
ten men and one woman burst into her home to
arrest her. Why well, Apparently, while she was recovering in
the hospital from a fractured skull and serious injuries that
were inflicted by a male acquaintance, she sent a private
or rather private text messages to a former friend that
included the word well, I just say the F word,

(31:54):
a derogatory term used to describe gay men. You know
what I'm saying talking about? Or a cigarette if you're British, Yes, Joe,
thank you. Excellent observation. Anyway, that was how she the
words she used to describe her attacker again in a
private text messages to former friend the receipt report the

(32:17):
report of the message is recipient. Rather report of the
message is grossly offensive. So whoever this friend was the
one that apparently reported her number? Twentieth Kenny pleaded guilty
to add Stephan Magistrates Courts descending malicious communication aggravated by
homophobic hate. Fine three hundred and sixty four pounds, given
a community order and forced to apologize an open court.

(32:40):
Interestingly enough, reminiscent of conversation we had earlier this morning
with pat no charges brought against the man who assaulted her.
This woman appeared on Piers Morgan uncensored. She described the
raid as terrifying and humiliating. Eleven police officers. Well, the
Mayorside Police Department said deploying that many officers was proportionate

(33:04):
for public protection. Clearly they're not struggling with financial limitations
in that particular police department. If they got eleven free
officers to go and arrest someone for a word, remember
how great it is to live in the United States
of America. As bad as you might perceive that word

(33:26):
to be, at least if you use it, you're not
going to be thrown in jail. Five five fifty five
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(34:09):
together the topic love and terror. Laurence Stewart Donovan Neil's
not in today, but Lauren's going to cover for him,
and I'm sure she'll do a great job. Americans for prosperities.
Lawrence stew To talk about Obamacare subsidies. Have got a
few words on that here in a moment. Congressman Thomas
Massey eight oh five, followed by Napolitano, of course, judging
Polatano on Wednesdays. I love when Massy proceeds, and particularly

(34:29):
when they're talking about the same subject matter, which is
the third subject with Congressman Massy blowing up drug smugglers
Judge and Politano the name of his column, kill them All,
and that also involves blowing up drug smugglers, is going
to be a vote on that. Senate facing a vote
next week to block Trump on Venezuela or maybe approve it.
They could authorize you some military force and let Trump

(34:49):
go on his merry way blowing people up. We'll see
what Massey has to say about that, but he'll also
be talking about the pipe bomber being identified Erkele I
think was his name, h and us getting out of NATO.
Really gonna be fascinated by Congress and Massy's comments on that.
And then Alisha Reese, God bless Alsia Rees, Hamilton County Prosecutor,

(35:10):
seems to be the only one of the three that
has any concept about what's right and what's wrong. She
cited the three hundred and fifty million dollars in stadium
upgrades that the county commissioners found in the budget. And
yet we have Hamilton County Prosecutor Countie Pillitch worried about
the ten percent cut that's coming her way if her
budget is not increased. She's got more crime to deal with,

(35:31):
more grand jury indictment, it's more complex matters, and the
commissioners are talking about cutting her budget. So I consider
that just one more leg of defund the police. Defund
the police. Well, they're getting a raise coming up this year,
but no, we can't defund the police completely, bad idea.
The public doesn't like that anymore. Turns out we all
like law enforcement in our neighborhood. So let's just defund

(35:52):
the prosecutor's office. Pat called the last hours that his
brother got to beat down and over the rhine and
they just let the guy go, didn't prosecute him at all. Why,
good question, We don't know. So Alisha resee the tail
end of the program, and thank you Alicia for green
to join the Morning Show this morning. Three seven, four,
nine fifty five eight hundred eight two to three talk

(36:13):
pound five point fifty on AT and T phones. Now
Democrats are moving forward, and this was a promised thing.
You knew it was coming. The continuing Resolution which led
to the government shut down. The reopening of the government
was came along with the promise from the Republicans that
they would move forward and vote on the continuation of
these Obamacare subsidies, the ones that mask the pain for

(36:35):
even people making north a six hundred percent of the
poverty level. You don't have to pay the premium. You
don't realize how expensive it's got. The expense is a
reflection of the failure of the entire process. Obamacare doesn't
work and it's a mecca for fraud. And now I
can turn to the editorial board of the Wall Street
Journalist summarize what we've talked about previously, but also a
more fundamental point that I want to make regardless of

(36:56):
whether they vote in favor of extending the subsidies or
they go with a Republican proposal, which is like establishing
these health savings accounts to put money in for premiums.
It's sort of like the money follows the individual, as
opposed to going directly to the insurance companies. Donald Trump
on record, I don't want the money going to the
insurance companies. I think we can all get around that concept.

(37:22):
But this GAO study that we talked about last week,
under cover tests they submitted insurance applications for fictitious individuals
under the Obamacare Exchange. Nearly all of the invented people
the GAO created were able to enroll in subsidized plans
that will be your tax payer dollars at workfolks, despite

(37:42):
the fact that they submitted either false records or no
records to verify their identities and incomes. Now it was
a small slice. Remember these was this whole cloth created people.
They didn't exist. Twenty four applications, of which twenty three
approved eighteen arrollees still covered as a September, which suggest
the exchange and insurers didn't bother verifying information even after enrollment.

(38:06):
Subsidies pay two insurance companies for those loan eighteen applicants
total more than ten thousand dollars per month. Ten thousand
dollars per month, which is equivalent to a sixty seven
hundred dollars annual subsidy for each enrolling. The general Counting

(38:26):
Office said in some cases, in their words, we were
not prompted to provide documentation to verify the applicant's identity
no Social Security number. Apparently that was not a problem.
Another instance, Obamacare Exchange notified US GAO that had verified
the applicants' estimated income based upon documentation we submitted. However,

(38:48):
the GAO pointed out we didn't submit any documentation. In
two cases, brokers called the Obamacare called the Obamacare Help
Center because applicants had submitted invalid social Security numbers. Brokers
doing what they're supposed to do. The center let the
brokers submit the fraudulent applications anyway, which they conclude suggests

(39:11):
that Center for Medical and Medicaid Services, which runs the
federal Obamacare Exchange, was just simply ignoring fraud. Nah why bother?
GAO also analyzed the ROMAN data in twenty three and
twenty four for additional anomalies, finding more than twenty nine
thousand SOCA security numbers in twenty twenty three and nearly

(39:32):
sixty eight thousand Social Security numbers in twenty twenty four
used to receive more than one year's worth of insurance
coverage with subsidies in a single year, meaning the same
Social Security numbers used by more than one person. How
is that even possible? I mean, we can live in
a world of electronics, artificial intelligence. Cross referencing this stuff
is a real challenge. I would like to think.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
Not.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
They don't care, they say in one so security never
used to apply for more than one hundred and twenty
five policies. Maybe identity theft possible. Brokers submitted fake security
numbers to enroll ineligible or phantom people in plans because
brokers earn more in commission from insurers if they enroll

(40:18):
more people in Obamacare. Shocking, that would invite fraud. Oh
my god, I'm shocked. There's gambling here. Justice de Barbin
charged numerous brokers with enrolling people in Obamacare plans or
switching them to new plans without their consent. They identified
at least thirty thousand applicants in twenty twenty three and

(40:39):
one hundred and sixty thousand of them in twenty twenty
four that had in the GAOS reporting likely unauthorized changes
by agents or brokers.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Maybe because of the financial incentive brokers have to well lie,
you create a system, you create giant holes, we'll call
them loopholes, or just the failure of our elected officials
to anticipate fraud, wasted abuse that happens in literally every
government program by putting in measures and stops to prevent
this from happening. And look what happens. Even the brokers

(41:11):
get in on the game. It's not just Somali immigrants
in Minnesota, different department, I understandl Also, GOO also found
that incomes were not later verified for enrollees who received
twenty one billion dollars in calendar year twenty twenty three A,

(41:32):
meaning they might have received bigger subsidies than they were
eligible for. Well, you wouldn't know, because it didn't check
Paragon health institutes. Brian Blaze warned that Obamacare's lacks verification
controls encourage people to understate income to get bigger subsidies.
Ah individuals also getting in on the fraud. Wait a minute,

(41:54):
they're not going to verify my income. No, I don't
make one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year. I
make forty. There's nobody behind the scenes looking into that,
even though the IRS presumably would have the information about
your income, which is of course attached to your Social
Security number. Again, Artificial intelligence or simple computers or even
people walking between departments could go over and find this out.

(42:17):
I know I'm making it a little more simplistic than
it is, but you know, damn well, it doesn't require
a physical human being to go back and forth or
crosscheck social Security numbers. Paragon Health Blaze, using Census Bureau data,
estimates that six point four million people this year were
improperly enrolled in subsidized Obamacare plans, costing you and me

(42:41):
twenty seven billion dollars. It just gets worse and worse.
And then when you shift over to the problem that
was revealed in Minnesota, autism, autism, is it exploding? No,
Welfare fraud is the reason that we have more autistic
children out there because they're not autistic. They just found
out that if you say someone's autistic, could get a
whole crap load of money from the federal government. And

(43:02):
they're not going to bother following up either. Another epic
failure under a giant program from the government which is
supposed to be looking out for our taxpayer dollars. Apparently,
states rarely verify that kids who are diagnosed actually meet
the medical criteria for autism, or that they get appropriate
treatment from qualified specialists after they've been identified as autistic,

(43:25):
label them autistic, charge the government from massive treatment protocols,
the government does not follow up. This is the same
problem we face with a multitude of layers of government,
notably the City of Cincinnati. Todd Zenzer, Citizen Watchdog, there's
all kinds of NGOs out there with their hand in
the city taxpayer cookie jar that are getting funded every year.

(43:46):
Todd Zenzer regularly asked and has never been provided the information.
Has anybody checked to see where this money went? Does
anybody find out if these NGOs actually did the work
that they claim they're doing with the money they got
from the city taxpayer? The answer ultimately no. Same thing
going in on a much broader scale in the federal
government with these programs, children covered by Medicaid or the

(44:10):
government run Children's Health Insurance program CHIP described as two
point five times as likely as those with private coverage
to be diagnosed with autism. Oh, many lower income kids
are labeled autistic merely because they have behavioral or developmental problems.
So let's blame it on Maybe racism is that it

(44:33):
get another autistic kid in there, label them autistic, and
we'll say, well, they're lower income kids. Maybe it's consequence
of racism.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Court On, Massachusetts, Officer of Office of Inspector General, another
state where they found widespread fraud autism behavioral services, in
his words, compromise what comprised rather one of the fastest
growing healthcare industries in the United States, there's an increased
need for vigilance in program integrity to keep pace with
the glowing number of ABA providers. Minnesota number one, the

(45:06):
number of autism providers soared Are you ready seven hundred percent?
The providers soared that much. Payments of them increased three
thousand percent between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three. And
the big case in Minnesota, we all know why it
was all built on fraud. Go out into the community,

(45:27):
the smaller community in that particular case, Grab a kid,
label them autism, put him in one of these programs.
The seven hundred percent increase in autism providers, and everybody
gets paid. Federal audits of Medicaid spending audit on autism
therapies in Indiana and blessed Brian, that's my first day

(45:50):
back Indiana. And Wisconsin, two more states they say turned
up widespread abuses. Nearly all Medicaid payments were improper or
potentially improper, meaning the providers didn't adhere to the federal requirements.
They say in Indiana, therapy was provided by staff who
did not have the appropriate credentials and to children who
did not receive the required diagnostic, evaluation or treatment referrals.

(46:14):
You know, it's better they find out later than never.
He may say, well, look, the obligation to provide financial reporting,
proper sources, security numbers, proper diagnosis, at least in the
case of autism and getting money for the autism programs,
it says you have to do it. But if there's
no entity or organization or oversight body that's looking into

(46:37):
and following up on whether they actually provided the documents,
they didn't do it. They pay lip service to looking
out for fraud wasted abuse by requiring this documentation. But
if there isn't a group to follow up and verify
that it was provided, welcome to the world of billions
and billions and billions of dollars in theft. So, depending

(47:03):
on cole, Congress chooses to approach subsidies under Obamacare, whether
they increase them, approve them, say no, go a different direction.
What I would like on behalf of anverybody who pays
taxpayer dollars and to everybody out there who really relies
upon a federal government program, you'd better damn well step

(47:27):
up to the plate and raise concerns about minding the store.
What are you going to do about fraud, waste and abuse?
What entity your organization is charged with monitoring this and
who's going to be held accountable to the extent that
this fraud, wasted abuse continues because it goes on and
on and on two programs I just talked about how
many programs are out there where this kind of activity

(47:49):
is going on. Go ahead, use your imagination. I'm sure
it's a lot bigger than what you come up with.
Six po nineteen. Right now, if you have KC the
the talk station six twenty four, lets go straight to
the bones. Good friend of the show and personal friend
of mine, Cribbage, Mike, welcome back, my submarine or friend.
Thank you again for you and Cindy in the gift
of the deck of cards with the submarines on them.

(48:10):
That's awesome.

Speaker 9 (48:11):
We were so welcome Brian Thomas, and welcome back yourself
and as well as all those sailors out there standing
watch hundreds of feet beneath the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean.
I can almost guarantee you along with keeping the sea
lanes open for democracy, there is a Cribb James going
on right now as we're speaking.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
I'm sure there is. It's a perfect game for a submarine,
small compact. All you need is a deck of cards
and a small board.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Keep it moving.

Speaker 9 (48:38):
I'm really getting mixed signals this morning, and hopefully maybe
you can clear it up, or maybe even Alicia Reese
could clear it up, and I really appreciate her coming
on your show as yes you because we're going to
reduce the prosecutor's office now due to a budget. Paul,
you mentioned that the city has a budget.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Deficit.

Speaker 9 (48:58):
Yeah, exactly, But right now the county is on the
hook for sixty five thousand dollars to the protesters from
twenty twenty. The city is on the hook and they've
agreed to it. Looks like they're going to vote.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
On it today.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
The law in Public Safty voted yesterday out for over
eight million dollars and the one council woman and Apoli
I believe her name is said that the government wronged
these people. Now I'm sorry, I believe there was a
curfew in place at a minimum. I don't know what
else all the rest of these people did. And maybe
Alisia Rees can put some meat on the bone here.

(49:32):
I just don't understand what's being reported. And Scottie Johnson
once again all I support the police, like, well, you
know what we need to get passes. It's been five years,
and he quoted the fact that we're actually getting off
light because the city of Denver paid out fourteen million. Well,
I don't know what happened in the city at Denver.
I don't live in a city, but I work in
the city and I don't want to see my tax
dollars go to pay for mis grants.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Well, I believe, and let me boil it down how
I perceive it, and I very well could be wrong
on this. The lawsuit claimed that was a violation of
the protesters First Amendment rights. You have a right to
free exercise, you have a right to of course, free assembly,
you have the right to speak. You don't have the
right to commit crimes. Now where there were criminal elements

(50:16):
among the folks that were out protesting in the aftermath
of the whole killing of Breonna Taylor and George Floyd,
where they all violating committing crimes. I think the argument
is no, and that is it arbitrary to impose a
curfew on every man, woman, in child, everywhere which prevents
you from the free exercise or from your right to
free assembly and right to free speech. So I believe

(50:38):
that is the predicate for the lawsuit. Now, individuals who
committed crime, I think were subject to prosecution, But was
the hundreds of people who were sort of mass arrested
for curfew violations, And they also claimed that their rights
were violated because they were held outdoors at the Hamilton
County Justice Center what they call this sally Port, which
is an outdoor, gated area with no rue. It was

(51:00):
supervised by deputy sort of a holding pen concept. So
that's the genesis of the lawsuit.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Now, I.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Crandly did put a curfew in place, but again they
claimed it was unconstitution which ultimately led to the unlawful
imprisonment of protesters. So can you impose a curfew on adults?
I thought you could, But is there a judicial process
or a legislative process. In other words, did it have
to go through the city council to be voted on
to be implemented. That is a gray area for me,

(51:28):
and I will admit ignorance on that area. But that's
the thing.

Speaker 9 (51:32):
Definitely is more explanation than maybe I received, and if
it's been out there than I apologized.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
But no, don't apologize because again I admit it. It's
a gray area for me. But they settled it rather
than go to court and defend it, So maybe there
was something to the lawsuit. But you're right, the county
has on the hook for sixty five thousand, even though
it was the county facilities that these folks were held in,
and the city taxpayers now facing a thirty two million
dollar budget shortfall for the upcoming calendar year. Eyesable chunk

(52:00):
of that wrapped up in eight point one million dollars. Mike, absolutely, sir, Yep,
it's okay. They apparently have some bond deal they're going
to fund the settlement with. Not really clear on that
one either, Mike. God bless you, sir, and thanks again
for the cards. Man really tickled me to come into
work today and find those appreciate your friendship six twenty
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looking forward to Lesha restoring the program. Having kindy commissioner
dealing with budget issues and seems to be in favor
of maintaining or at least allowing Himlon County Prosecutor Connie

(52:44):
Pilach's office to get as much money or maybe even
more money. The rest of them not so much. Looking
at a ten percent cut, Connie Pillach worried about that.
She says we're facing potential cuts to staff staff. Notably
ten percent cuts is what she says is going to
be needed. That's eighteen positions elimit into the Prosecutor's office
under the current budget proposal. Alisia Reese even noted it

(53:06):
was the first time she's ever seen a Hamilton County
prosecutor come in for a budget presentation. Commissioner Dumas said
she's concerned with maintaining the prosecutor's staff and is well
expanding when the county is able to expanding it when
the county is able to, in other words, able to

(53:27):
if they have the money. Lisa resaid she wanted to
consider the county's priorities after agreeing to contribute three hundred
and fifty million dollars for paid Course Stadium's lease with
the Bengals. And I know we have a contractual obligation
to do that, but you know what, where are the priorities?
We don't get our tax relief as a consequence of
that infusion of cash. No, no, no, no, And now
we're gonna have the prosecutor's office reduction of ten percent

(53:53):
when County pilotics or when yeah, Hamilton County Prosecutor Pilot
has explained that the number of cases and the number
of grand jury indictments has increased, a Lisa Ree said,
if you could stand for the Bengals and get a
deal done, I would hope we could stand with the
Prosecutor's office and get a deal done. Amen. Alicia, looking
forward to having on the program at the end of

(54:15):
the eight o'clock hour, and note which is a head
scratcher for me. Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office continues to well
prosecute Alex Trevinski, who's been charging that late July beatdown,

(54:36):
the man who was the victim of the beatdown, who
apparently was only charged because he happened to be the
only white guy involved in the brawl. Holly wasn't involved.
She was a victim, just tending to someone with injuries
when she got cole cocked in the face without asking
for it. Alex Ttravinsky, different case. His lawyers just asked
for continuance. Apparently he's being currently tried. Apparently the prosecutor's

(54:59):
office brought forth a surprise witness, and they need time
to look into the surprise witness. Of course, Dravinsky claims
he acted in self defense during the entire confrontation. That
seems to be what everyone else, at least around the
time of the bra agreed was going on. We got
time for that one, though. Six thirty six ify five
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to me. He waited around for Dan Carroll to talk

(55:43):
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Speaker 10 (55:50):
I don't know all the technicalities of all this stuff
with the reef, that the money that they're finding in
the state of Ohio that they're going to give the
Cleveland Brown and fund them a new football field, economy shit,
and everybody out here sad.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Joe,
you got the dump button form of their brother.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Remember, I enjoy hearing what people have to say, but
you have to remember that I have an obligation to
the FCC. I cannot allow profanities to be used on
the morning show. That's where we have like a nine
minute delay. I'm exaggerating slightly, but I can't let him
finish what I thought was going to be a very
coherent point because he dropped an FCC non compliant word.

(56:38):
So I'm not angry with you. I understand how it is,
and trust me, I find a struggle from time to
time dealing with FCC compliance myself. If you know me
in my off hours, you know that I don't follow
FCC compliance rules of my day to day life. But
we got to abide. We have to abide. But if
you want to din where the money's coming from, it
is the unclaimed fun That's where the funds coming from.

(57:02):
To give the Cleveland Browns six hundred million dollars, which
I find offensive as a proposition, regardless whether the money
is there or not. And this is the subject of litigation.
The legal challenge to use those unclaimed funds to pay
for the Cleveland brown Stadium apparently hit a roadbock. Federal
judge's side of the money can start transferring beginning January first.

(57:23):
They were seeking an injunction that people looking to stop
this was four people with unclaimed funds sue the state
to prevent it from moving between Now they had to
move the money. It was one point seven to one
point nine billion dollars. They've created a new fund and
from that fund, Ohio would dole out the money for
the Cleveland Brown Dome Stadium project. Now, overall, the state

(57:45):
holds more than four billion dollars in dormant bank accounts,
uncash checks, utility deposits. I don't know if it includes
unclaimed lottery tickets he didn't cash in. Regardless, there's the
money right there. Now, you can submit the paperwork, could
claim for the unclaimed funds. Hey, that's my bank account.
There's a process for that, and if you don't do
that within ten years, that money gets deposited into well,

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the unclaimed funds account from which they have allocated money
for the Cleveland brown Stadium. Now, the reason this is
allowed to go forward, you have to get an injunction
to make this stop. There has to be what they
call irreparable harm. Your likelihood to win on the case,
success on the merits is assured. You know, the judge knows,

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can look at the law ahead of time and can
conclude pretty reasonably that you're gonna win. But in order
for the for an injunction to be issued, there has
to be irreparable harm. If the judge does not put
an injunction in place when money is involved, there's no
irreparable harm. Money can always be found, so you're only
harm to the extent your money disappeared. But because the

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state still has money, there's an opportunity for you to
get it back. Now the lawsuit is going to move forward,
so they're gonna let the lawsuit go forward. This may
ultimately be blocked, who knows, But as of right now,
that's where the money's coming from. But that doesn't make
the whole question of whether or not that money should
be used for a damned stadium. That question still exists

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as a matter of morals and ethics and priorities. And I,
for one, don't believe the private sports team should get
any slice of any dollars, regardless if it's because you
let a bank account closed and forgot to get the
money out of it, or because it's coming out of
the taxpayer funded dollars. Why would the money go there?
Does anybody else have something on their list they want

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from government done before we give money to the Cleveland Browns?
Anybody I do, Steve hold On to take your call
right out of the gate. It is six forty five
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We got our rules established upfront, right, don't drop any

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curse words on the morning show, Steve, Welcome to the show.
Thanks for calling this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Good morning. I have been non compliant before, and you
have justifiably cut me off before. Come to worry about
mister Tom. But I was wondering, why aren't they using
that money on the bridge across the river number one?
And what about possibles? And why are they just giving
it to people that are already rich going through sports events?

(01:00:27):
Oh yeah, basically think them feel more comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Just scratching the surface, Steve, you know, just scratching the service.
I'm sure every single one of us in the listening
audience could come up with something that we would prefer
that money going to that doesn't go to support an independent,
very profitable sports organization which makes millions and millions of
dollars for their owners.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
One thing I noticed, so I jump between you and
talk great for us what we call it PBS and PBS, MPR,
and just to hear the actual details of story is
in between. It's funny to listen to when you break
away and they go to the station's news how they
don't always include the full topics or just a slant,

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even though it's talk radio.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
It's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
But uh, yeah, the money could be used a lot
of ways. With the billions of billions keep coming in
with a Dumbo care and this and that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
It's just what do we have to do to wake
people up?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
They're so polarized with their gods of whoever that they
can't realize the money being stolen out of pockets and
they'll die on that hill just to just then. I
don't know now that the depsty files, they just had
the Florida release and nobody's talking about them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I know that kind of felt by the wayside.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Did it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
See if Collas wondered where that went. Maybe it's just
a shiny object that we were all chasing after as
a distraction to keep us away from. Oh, I don't know,
maybe another government program that's billions and billions of dollars
in fraud has been revealed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I always say when when big news is starting to
break that is against the propaganda machine. Something else happened.
I call it the rodeo clowns. Look over here, look
over here when they ask the stories over here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Yeah, do you remember with the guy that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
In the Bengals game that had the episode on the field.
Do you remember what happened the same day when the
CAA came out that same day and said they had
a ham in the killing of Kennedy, but they distracted
it with football. I'm pretty sure to go in the
way back to scene and start researching this stuff, anything
that is attracting to the people for something else going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Well, Kennedy assassination. People like quite often asked where were
you when Kennedy was assassinated? I was merely if that
a gleam in my dad's eyes, So that preceded me
by it for years. So I can't account for that one,
and I don't recall specifically what the distractions were. But
I don't know how successful you can be distracting people's
attention away from the presidential assassination. However, you know as

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well as I know, that there are a lot of
distractions that we go down the road in order to
keep us from talking about more fundamentally important things, and
we clearly have a lot more important things in front
of us. So I appreciate the call truly, and I
just wanted to throw this out there really quickly. It's
been in the back of my mind, you know, the

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libertarian guy in me really, you know, doesn't like regulations
and restrictions too much, and I understand the reason for them.
But I having a moment of clarity about children online generally,
and the more stories I see about sextortion and children
killing themselves, because there are nefarious people out there that

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I would love to violate the FCC in describing them
trying to do harm to our children as if it's
a sport getting our children to harm themselves, or just
flat out extorting money. I'd read this most recent story
that this kid killed himself after being extorted. They created

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a fake persona. They created a seventeen year old girl.
This was a teenager in high school. They acted like
a seventeen year old girl. They followed what he did.
They knew from social media, which Jimmy worked out his
friends and this person, this fictitious person name dropped them
in order to establish confidence and established trust. That trust

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was established, and of course, at one time, the so
called seventeen year old girl who was not asked for
an explicit photo, and apparently this young man provided that
and then extorted them, demanding five hundred dollars. The kid
did not have five hundred. He offered the soul thirty
dollars he had in his bank account. They wouldn't take it.

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He took his own life. And with that background just
one of the multitude of those type of stories. Australia
now has cracked down no social media for children under
the age of sixteen. That means no TikTok, Instagram, YouTube,
kick Twitch read it, no more access to those now
how I don't how they're going to accomplish this, that's
a Dave Hatter question. But let's assume they can accomplish it.

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The vast majority when polled, the vast majority of folks
want children to not be able to have access to this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
The reason I'm kind of thinking about embracing this concept.
Parents clearly are incapable of saying no to their children.
That's one thing. The power already exists, and that's kind
of where my default position is. If you have the
ability to stop it, then you should. But we have
rules about alcohol. For example, you can't buy alcohol if're
under the age of twenty one, and there's a multitude

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of laws like that. Driving you got to be at
least fifteen sixteen years old fifteen and a half sixteen
years old to get driver's license. Those are state created laws.
There's a reason for them, because it presents a danger.
Young people should not drink alcohol. It's demonstrably bad for
even adults. Look at all the studies out there showing
how bad it is for you. And of course impaired
children don't develop their cognitive functions. Are impaired kids aren't

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allowed to smoke weed either, although we know they do.
They get it. But social media has proven to be
so monstrably bad for children, psychologically devastating in many cases,
it's a drug in and of itself. That the fact

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that there is social media addiction. At least adults should
be in a position to make an informed choice because
they have the well hopefully building blocks of life to
allow them to be aware of the dangers of social
media and the responsibilities of an adult. Hopefully you have
a job and you can't spend all day on TikTok.
But when it is so bad for our children, should

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we allow them to have it? I think it's a
legitimate topic of conversation six fifty six right now. I
don't think that's what Jack Avidan wants to talk about.
The Big Picture with Jack Avanan after the top of
the air news Love and Terror, followed by Laurence Stewart,
who's summoned in for Donald and Neil from Americans for
Prosperity on something I talked about earlier this morning, the
Obamacare subsidies. Stick around for that, be right back. Today's

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top headlines seven oh six A fifty five kr CE
detalk station. Happy Wednesday. It's a great day to be
tuned into fifty five cassee Morning Shore at the right time.
It is time everyone's here at this moment. Big Picture
with Jack Avidan, Dak Avidan. It is great for you
to be on the program from my perspective, but and
my listeners really enjoy your thoughts, comments and insight and intellect.

(01:07:24):
And I have no idea what you're going to be
talking about today, which is typically the case, but Love
and Terror, welcome back, Jack, appreciate you coming on the show.

Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
I have no idea either. But happy holidays, my friend,
right that guys, you actually, let's talk about this. Christians
will soon celebrate Christmas, the birth of Jesus. Jews are
about to break out menorah's and dradles to celebrate Hanukkah,
the rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem, and soon Muslims
will be marking the miraculous nighttime journey of the prophet

(01:07:55):
Mohammed from Mecca to Jerusalem and then up to Heaven
where he met Adam, Moses, and Jesus. So who couldn't
be filled with love this time of year? Here?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Let me look around me, Jack, at the multitude of
articles that I see where people clearly are not in
a festive holiday, love filled state of emotions.

Speaker 8 (01:08:18):
I know I've heard some of your SCC non compliance.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I know, I know we all slipped.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
Yeah, well, sadly, quite a few people who profess love
preach hate, even terror in their quest to regain power,
like many in your great audience. I'm a child of
the sixties, when hippies flashed peace signs. Actually, in places
like hate Ashbury, they flashed a lot more than that.
They flashed everything. The peace signs and peaceful sittings and

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songs like All You Need Is Love, stopped the Vietnam War,
They forced Lyndon Johnson out of the White House, supported
our new civil rights laws as well as women's and
gay rights move and perhaps most fun for teenagers like me,
the sexties gave us the sexual Revolution, but lurking within
the free Love, free pot communes from Berkeley to Woodstock

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with something a lot more sinister, authoritarian, big government socialism.
While everyone was singing Beatles tunes, a lot of kids
like Hillary Clinton and a little later Barack Obama, were
studying Herbert marcusa I don't know how many people remember him,
but he was a disciple of Karl Marx. And they

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also studied Saul Alinsky, a disciple of Machiavelli, with his
ruthless devotion to ends justifying the means. When it comes
to securing power, The all You Need is Love. Hippie
revolution brought us Ivy League credentialed I don't say educated,
just credentialed elite to talitarians now attacking the foundation of America,

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limited decentralized government and Adam Smith capitalism based on free choice,
not mandates, free enterprise, and free but fair markets. It's
that's where tariffs come in. We'll talk about that some
other time. We've seen this before, free love and the
demand for free stuff giving way to dictatorship. Ancient Rome

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had what we'd now call proletarian rebellions. They led to
military strong men and then emperors. The French Revolution started
out with ordinary people demanding from aristocrats a place a
seat in the National Assembly. The revolutionaries were called leftists
because they took seats on the left side of the Assembly,

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and they addressed each other as citizen, which is ironic
Brian since the last thing today's American leftists want to
call their supporters is citizen. Today's leftists support nonsense citizens
who broke our laws getting here. They demand welfare and
even voting rights. In at least fourteen jurisdictions and counting.

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They demand welfare and even voting rights. And the highest
title for today's leftists is not citizen. It's victim, as
in I'm a victim of racism, sexism, transphobia, and common sense.
The French revolutionaries tried to replace Christianity with what they

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called a goddess of reason that was an actual person.
They found a beautiful woman, and she became the goddess
of reason. Then they replaced reason with the reign of terror.
Following the Romans, the French next made Napoleon Bonaparte their emperor.
His invasions cost Europe at least four million lives, but
Napoleon was a peace nick compared with Joseph Stalin. His

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Soviet workers Paradise killed at least seven million people, some
say triple that number. As with Napoleon, Stalin did not
immediately seize power when Russia rose up against the Czar.
The Russian Revolution's first leader was a guy named Alexander Kerensky.
If you don't remember him, folks, it's because Kerensky's Russian

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Republic lasted just three months. Communist revolutionaries then chased Kerensky
to Paris, then New York, and ultimately to our west coast.
The conservative Hoover Institution, which promotes liberty through limited government.
Kerensky's successor of Vladimir Lenin, did not promote limited government,

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and Lenin's successor, Joseph Stalin, did not promote any limits
at all on his own power. Now, Brian, there may
be a few people listening who are now yelling, what
about Donald Trump, does he promote, does he tolerate, and
he limits to his own power? The answer is yes.

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Put aside for the moment, Trump's bombing of state sponsored
narco terrorist drug boats were all eager to hear in
a few minutes from Congressman Thomas Massey and Judge Neapolitano
about that, I would only note for now that whether
it's Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary pirates, Reagan invading Grenada,
or Trump destroying Iran's nuclear program, We've had lots of

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debates about when and how Congress ought to weigh in,
But Democrats did not complain when Barack Obama's drones killed
hundreds of foreigners without authorization, including women and children at weddings,
even American citizens. Let's also consider a different but typical
outrage from Joe Biden. The Auto pen completely ignored the

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Supreme Court's ruling against the quote forgiveness of taxpayer funded
student loans, and Democrats defended him to the hilt. By contrast,
Donald Trump has submitted to courts everywhere from fat Alvin
Braggs New York and Fawnie Willis's Atlanta straight to the
US Supreme Court It's true Donald Trump does not preach

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peace and love for the tens of millions of illegal
migrants that Joe Biden and his borders are Kamala Harris
invited to invade the United States. But again, Trump is
submitting his deportation plans to the courts, where he wins
some and he loses some. Meantime, Trump has achieved peace

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through strength, as Ronald Reagan did peace from Africa to Cambodia,
if we can keep it. Now he's trying to broke
her peace in Ukraine, which never would have been invaded
by Putin had Trump remained president in twenty twenty one.
Trump is the real peace president, most important because he

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persuades nations to trade peacefully and fairly with the promise
of e economic growth. That's why Israel's Arab neighbors are
now willing to live peaceably.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Growth.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
The promise of growth for all is Trump's gift to
the world this holiday season, and God willing, even Trump's
enemies will realize that constitutional republics, not socialistic tactorships, are
the world's true blessing. What do you say, Paul Well?

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
First off, I must note that free love at least
didn't involve the American taxpayer dollars. Second, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
I don't know. Well, parents and taxpayers they paid taxes
to they supported those kids, and some of them still
support those kids.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Now I understand that component of it. I'm just saying,
at least didn't cost us money to engage in free love, unless,
of course, you look to the medical ramifications of free
love and the fact that the American taxpayer dollars might
have to end up paying for that, which in and
of itself is a problem. But going back to my
original thought along those lines, you mentioned the various religions
with people are celebrating this time of year. Yes, and
we all tend to embrace, at least from religious perspective,

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regardless of which religion you are, this idea that we
need to engage in compassion and to help our brother
man those are truly in need. But what bothers me,
over and over and over again, the Marxists, the Leftists,
the communists, the socialists all endeavor to use our respective
faiths against us. Well, this is the Christian Judeo Christian ethic.
You're supposed to help people in an effort to support

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some bloated government plan that we all find out is
replete with fraud, waste, and abuse, which they don't seem
to care about. That's the part that always angers me.
And I've been on record many times saying if you're
in a church or a synagogue or a mosque and
someone in front of the room is saying you need
to support some big blow to government program because Jesus
or Mohammad or I don't know, it doesn't matter what

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would do that. That is your religious obligation. It belongs
to the individual, not the state, and you're offloading the
personal responsibility you have as a member of that particular
religion to do it yourself. It doesn't substitute your personal obligation.
And yet that feeling of the need to help is
used so often against people of faith to promote some
bloated government program that really doesn't accomplish the goal of

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helping people who are truly in need.

Speaker 8 (01:17:12):
Well, we discussed this last week. Jesus was not about governments, right,
and we began today talking about these major religions, not
all of them in the world. They all began in love,
but at some points in their history they had followers
embracing terror. God loved his chosen people of Israel, but
those sanctioned people asked for a king. They said, we

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want a king, like all the other nations. And inevitably,
as with all other nations, kings proved to be power
hungry and cruel. Just think of David and Bathsheba and
Bathsheba's wrong husband Uriah. Jesus loved all people and refused
Satan's offer to rule over them on earth. He did

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not want to be a king, But many other rulers,
secular and ecclesiastics, all have imposed tyranny in the name
of Jesus. You're right, and we've discussed several months ago
now whether Islam requires violent jihad the sort that al
Qaeda demanded. Listeners can hear that discussion about history. It

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went all the way back to the prophet Mohammad.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:18:18):
By scrolling down my podcast page, just search for the
Big Picture with Jack Atherton, it's there all thanks to
you and Joe, and I thank you both for that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Every day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
It's a public service getting your message out. Jack Avident,
I'm glad you Strekker is producing your podcast, and I'm
glad you're doing it and I'm glad you show up
in the morning should have these important conversations. At minimum,
it gets the juices stirring intellectually. It causes people to
stop and pause and think, hmm, maybe I should consider
that in deciding whether or not we need to embrace
some fat government program or more simplistic enough, whether we

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need to put ourside our differences in this very festive
time of year, which should be festive for many many
people of all religions. For those who do not describe
to a particular religion, hey, joining the fun. We're all
trying to be in a better mood this time of year.
Why don't you put down your anger and enjoy the
time of year along with the rest of us. We're
all open for the collective celebration of well perhaps love. Amen, Amen,

(01:19:16):
Jack Adenan God bless you sir. Looking forward to another
calendar year with you next year. Not that we're over
for this year, but thanks again for your time, your
efforts and your energy doing your podcast and this particular
segment on the Morning Show, And as always, best of
health and much love to you and.

Speaker 8 (01:19:30):
Amesley and to you and everybody listening.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I agree, Thanks Jack seven nineteen fifty five KRC the
Talk Station. Fac ARC the Talk Station. I have a
very happy Friday year Friday. Wow, where's my brain? I
still don't know what day it is, having been off
of the last couple of days. Thanks agin to Gary,
Jeff Walker and Dan Carroll for covering for me while
I use up my vacation days. Got some more to
use up every year Christmas time I take off after

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the twenty third of you off through the rest of
the year. Would that provides me a great opportunity to
remind me we always do his Christmas show here in
the fifty five Casee Morning Show. And in spite of
the fact that Vince GARLDI Trio is the only sanctioned
Christmas music we do get to hear Rob Rider. He
brings his guitar in the studio every year. He's been
doing it going back to my dad in the fifty
five Carsee Morning Show. And he'll be back. Rob Rider,

(01:20:17):
thank you in advance for well keeping the tradition alive
here at fifty five Carosee the Talk Station. So the
Christmas Special Holiday special if you want to call it,
that's okay with me as long as you're in as
long as you're in a celebratory mood, as pointed out
by Jack, other than that'll be the twenty third. So
Rob Rder looking forward to having you back on, looking
forward to having Americans for Prosperity on today. Not Donovan

(01:20:39):
and Eil, but Laurence Stewart. Should we sub it in
for Donald In the next segment, we're talking about something
that's ongoing, Obamacare's subsidies. Will the Republicans vote to extend
the subsidies? It's certainly a possibility. And I talked about
this last week, and the boiled down thing is much
like the Continuing Resolution where they kept funding at Democrat levels.
So the Democrats didn't have an argument going into the

(01:21:00):
shutdown about how the Republicans were going to cut this
and cut that. They had nothing to argue about. And
of course the shutdown ended with a promise that they
will be voting on the extension of these subsidies. Now
more Republicans are stepping up and seemingly embracing the idea
of extending them. Why, because we're going into twenty twenty six,

(01:21:23):
why would they capitulate on subsidies? Well, it gives the
Democrats an argument Oh my god. Millions of people are
going to lose their subsidies to be without health care.
The problem is Obamacare, and as I pointed out earlier,
so much fraud, wasted abuse is being revealed, as we'll
talk about here in a moment. Even more that we're
owed an obligation by ur elected officials, regardless of which
way you go, crack down on fraud, waste, and abuse.

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Everyone benefits from that. There's billions and billions of dollars
in various programs that have been recently identified, just scratching
the surface of where the money is going. They don't care.
There's no follow up. We'll see what she has to say.
That will be Lauren Stewart from Americans for Prosperity coming

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up next first Prestigion Wednesday. It's a time of the
week normally hearing from Donald O'Neil from Americans for Prosperity.
But you know what, Americans were prosperity filled with a
bunch of great people. It's not just Donald o'nil. Today,
Laurence Stewart joins the program from AFP, summon in for
Donalvan and Neil to talk about Obamacare subsidies all the
rage these days. As far as a topic, Laurence Stewart,

(01:22:29):
Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to
have you on.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
It's a pleasure to be on.

Speaker 11 (01:22:34):
I will do my best.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I've got big shoes to.

Speaker 11 (01:22:36):
Follow with Donan.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
I'm sure you're gonna be fine. So listen. The Obamacare
fraud is just absolutely insane. I brought back up a
topic I talked about last week, this GAO report where
they tested the Obamacare subsidies and found out that no
one is minding the store. Now, I will acknowledge that
there's some paper obligations. You're supposed to provide your income level,

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You're supposed to provide a proper Social Security number in
order to get enrolled. YadA, YadA, YadA. No one's minding
the store behind the scene. So these so called protections
against fraud wasted abuse seem to exist on paper, But
if someone isn't following up, people get the word and
it ends up literally billions and billions of dollars. And
the figures you have from Americans for prosperity, the under

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the recent expansions that costs the American taxpayers one hundred
and twenty five billion dollars a year. A lot of
it is fraud, wasted abuse. I think we're owed in
obligation to mind the store, and we boil it down
on the along those simplistic terms. But let's listen to that.
Let's talk the reasons. Why Why were there Why was

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there a waiver on the income eligibility cap of sixty
two to five? It was COVID, right, yes, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:23:54):
So that's the first thing to understand about what we
call the bid in COVID credits. Was this was a
temporary or supposedly right nothing. Ronald Reagan says nothing lasts
as long as a temporary government program, and I think
we're seeing them sit that at play here. But these
are meant to be a temporary emergency provision during the
COVID pandemic. I don't think we can point to a

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single COVID policy that was worthwhile. This is certainly example
of that. To get more people in roles in Obamacare,
the method was, you know, provide support for people who
are maybe losing their jobs and need health insurance. But
to your point, no one was minding the store. I
ordered takeout last night and had to do two step
verification to get my pizza delivered to my front door.

(01:24:40):
Yet on the ACA there are thousands of invalid and
non existent Social Security numbers that are receiving subsidized health coverage.
And you might say, how are they receiving it if
they're not people including the fifty eight thousand social securities
of deceased and rolies. Well, the assurance company are receiving

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these subsidies and just banking them because they're not actually
providing any healthcare or coverage for these hypothetical people. Another
example that's still illustrated in this is one single social
Security number appeared on over one hundred and twenty policies
and another was used for over seventy one years of coverage.
And you cannot make this stuff up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
No, you can't, and you know the lawyer on me
immediately says, wait a second. The insurance companies are accepting
this money but they're not using it in connection with
someone's medical care, then maybe they're culpable in some legal sense.
Maybe they should be brought to justice for accepting money
and taking money when they knew full well that they
weren't doing anything with the money except pocketing it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:44):
This is where government is too big right, and we
hear this a lot across issues, But if the government
is setting up a subsidy program, it's actually on them
to fraud check and double check that people's Social Security
numbers are correct. I mean, I would love for insurance
to say, hey, we're making forty billion extra dollars a
year based on fraud or the twenty four million in

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rollies that you guys are accounting for, only twelve million
actually used their health insurance last year. The other half
didn't have a single medical claim.

Speaker 12 (01:26:15):
Highly suspiciously.

Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
But if the government's going to get this big and
think their fingernails this far into healthcare, it is on
them to be responsible.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
And keep it up.

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
But at the end of the day, we know that
government involvement in healthcare actually has driven up the cost
for American patients and families tremendously. I mean, we're talking
about premium increases over seventy five percent from Obamacare's implementation.
So ideally, if the government's going to do something, they're
going to fraud check themselves because it's actually coming out

(01:26:45):
of their bank account the United States Treasury.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Yeah, and they're in lies the rub and no one's
government seems to really care that there's fraud wasted abuse
because they can print money and they don't have a
fiduciary obligation the American taxpayer. There's a number of other
points we need to go over on this because there
is just insane amounts of holes and problems with this
Obamacare things. Let's pause. We will bring Lauren Stewart from

(01:27:10):
Americans for Prosperity doing an admirable job this morning station
seven forty here if if you have kc DE talk station. No,
it's not Donald and Neil for Americans for Prosperity, it's
Laurence Stewart. We're running through the multiple reasons to let
Biden's COVID credits expire. Lauren, I must observe as I
have multiple many times, and my listeners maybe know what's coming.

(01:27:30):
As we went into the shutdown, the Republicans agree to
the twenty twenty four spending levels to deprive the Democrats
of an argument about cuts. Those evil Republicans are gonna
cut so it makes their argument about what they wanted,
you know, a little more plausible. No, we're keeping funding
levels at the Biden ear You've got nothing to complain about.
You're the one that put the expiration of the subsidies
in place end of December. We're gonna let that happen.

(01:27:52):
COVID's over. So lots of great reasons or arguments to
defeat what the Democrats wanted. But here we are again.
They're teeing up this subsidies again, and we got more
Republicans now thinking about, well, maybe go ahead and do that.
Let's continue the subsidies until we get past twenty twenty six,
because the Democrats going to be screaming and yelling about
the evil Republicans taking away medical insurance from millions of Americans.

(01:28:15):
They got that political argument staring in the face. So, Lauren,
what's the alternative? They can't even get the twelve Appropriations
bill passed by the deadline, which has been extended. How
are they going to get in a fix to this
massive problem before the subsidies expire, before a vote on
the subsidies. I don't see that as even possible. Where
are we, Lauren?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
So?

Speaker 11 (01:28:36):
Number one, a way to lower costs for Americans on
the Affordable Care Act and outside of the Affordable Care
Act is to allow the Biden COVID credits to expire.

Speaker 13 (01:28:46):
These COVID credits.

Speaker 11 (01:28:48):
Drive up inflationary healthcare costs for folks with in the ACA.
Here's what we're talking about. For folks in the ACA,
over a third of their medical claims are denied nineteen
thousand dollars and out of pocket costs. So we need
these Biden COVID credits to go a way just to
bring down those numbers within the ACA. Furthermore, whatever the
government subsidizes, the rest of us have to increase our

(01:29:10):
payment on to pay for our own health insurance and
then also for these subsidies. So Number one, what they
need to do. What is the most important fix Congress
can do right now regarding the Biden COVID credits is nothing.

Speaker 12 (01:29:22):
They're set to expire.

Speaker 11 (01:29:25):
Let them expire. Number two, there are real reforms and
other options out there that are led by conservatives. Now,
do I think they get to the president's death by
the end of the year. I don't think so, but
that would be wonderful and I'm not rolling anything out
to Christmas season, so we'll see. But these conservative Republican
lead proposals emphasize on the real crux of the issue

(01:29:48):
here in healthcare, and that's lowering costs and increasing access.
So you see alternatives like the Casipy Craboats proposal, which
focuses on funding patients not in turance companies, similar with
other proposals in the House of Representatives that expand tools
like health Saman's accounts. You're able to put away your
own tax advantage dollars to use for qualified medical expenses.

(01:30:11):
Anything you pay for with the NHSA is already fifteen
to seventeen percent cheaper right off the top because of
the tax advantage. Let alone that in some instances it
is actually faster and more affordable to self pay for
various aspects in healthcare. So what's different about this healthcare
fight is than say the implementation of Obamacare or even

(01:30:34):
repail in our places, that there are a number of
other conservative lead solutions that do drive down cost, increase access,
and really work to empower patients, not the system and
not the government in healthcare.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
So what is ahead is.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
Really looking at who stands for what on that leader
soon tomorrow is going to put the Schumer three year
clean extension. Democrats are AOK with fifty eight thousand deceased
and rollers getting care, twelve million enrollies not using their
medical care all of the fraud, waste and abuse that
comes with these Biden COVID credits leaders. Soon is going

(01:31:09):
to give Democrats the opportunity to vote in favor of
a three year clean extension. He's also going to put
a solution on the floor that is a really great
line in the sand and framework for conservative care that
Cassidy Crepo plan. Now it is brand new, a lot
of senators that are going to want to offer their feedback,
but we'll be able to see what side law make

(01:31:31):
your stand on in terms of you know, what are
we for here? Are we for funding patients or are
we for funding insurance and keeping up with the status
quot that quite frankly, twenty twenty four are voters rejected
swiftly with the election of both Republican majorities and President Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Well, I am painfully where there's a private medical insurance
market out There's hundreds of medical insurance providers out there
that are not Obamacare. If we have the right to
exercise our free choice when it comes to selecting policies.
I do commercials for a guy who does that. He's
a broker. He works with hundreds of insurance companies. You
go in he finds a package of policies that fit you,
you can afford it. You get dollar one coverage. It's

(01:32:10):
a lot less than Obamacare with a ten thousand, five
hundred dollars out of pocket liability. It's just that most
people aren't aware of the private market out there. They've
been sold this bill of goods that you either get
your employee sponsored program or you go on Obamacare. No,
there's a lot of options in the world, and it
seems to me a little bit of more education in
marketing along those lines might go a long way to
save people money.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Right now, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 11 (01:32:33):
The innovations we have in healthcare and health insurance are
at an all time peak, and the folks who have
access to those are beyond blessed and beyond statisfied that
they're out of the status quo vicious cycle of regular
health insurance. The interesting component to that, and what we're
seeing in terms of the Biden COVID credits and the
difference in how it affects various states, is that some

(01:32:55):
states actually outlawed those additional options. Some states, especially Blue State,
have worked very hard to consolidate their health insurance market
so that people actually don't have access to that. So,
for instance my home state of Massachusetts, sure you can
have an HSA, but you cannot use an HSA for
anything that your insurance would cover. So literally, you have

(01:33:16):
bluestates telling people what they can and cannot use their
own hard earned dollars noo of healthcare.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
That's crazy. I mean, just look, listeners, just process that.
It's your money placed in your own health savings account,
and they're telling you what you can and can't spend
it on. If that money wasn't a health savings account,
you can spend your money any damn way you want.
Oh my god, it's an HSA, so you can't. I'm sorry.
That's just wrong. And the reason is they want you

(01:33:47):
to have to default to Obamacare. I mean, I know
in the AFP Americans for Prosperity notes, millions abandoned their
existing coverage in order to go for this quote unquote
free option because the subsidies made it appeared free. But
that mere encourage dependency on the government program, which is
exactly what the Democrats want. This is the stepping block
or stepping stone to Medicaid for all Obamacare is, and

(01:34:10):
that's the direction they want to go. They want to
deprive you of all the other options that exist.

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
Right now, that's one hundred percent right. The reason they
want to deprive you of all of even having access
to those options is because they're better, right, And given opportunity,
you're not going to choose Obamacare. You're going to choose
something or you don't.

Speaker 13 (01:34:27):
Maybe maybe you are.

Speaker 11 (01:34:28):
At AFP, We're we're not advocating for a repeal and
replace Obamacare. We're advocating for strong, swift reforms. But we
believe all Americans to have a personal option when it
comes to their healthcare. Healthcare happens to be I think
the most personal thing I think about with my family,
especially as a new mom, I kind of run the
traps on our health care and I want to make

(01:34:49):
sure that myself, my husband, my son, and my dog,
although a little bit separate, there have all of the
access and options that that we would like. So maybe
for a family, maybe my neighbors across the street are like,
I really like my Obamacare plan. I haven't met anyone
who's said that just stick caveat there, But we want

(01:35:10):
you to be able to use the health insurance to
drive the healthcare that that fits the needs of you
and your family. No one single family has the family
exact needs as another one, So crowding out all of
these options that really speak to that in different combinations
of options is, like you said, a move to centralized
and socialized healthcare single payer. We believe there shouldn't be

(01:35:30):
a public option, there should be a personal option.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
We all know the world of competition creates more efficiencies
and better products. Give us the right to choose. Maybe
Obamacare will be our choice. But if we can choose
to go a different route with a different perhaps one
of these other private insurance companies, then we'll go that
route and everyone will be forced to step up to
the plate and make their product more marketable. That would
include Obamacare, which, as you point out in the note,

(01:35:56):
since twenty twenty, Affordable Care Act premiums have risen setd
five percent. Welcome to Obamacare. Oh it's insane, Lord, I
can't believe we're living this reality, but there you are,
and a lot of forces are forcing us in that
direction and depriving us of choice in what is supposed
to be a free society. Americans for Prosperity usually have

(01:36:16):
some action items for us. What can my listeners do
to well interject their comments and their desires into this process.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
Lauren Stewart absolutely well, certainly, you know, check out our
healthcare initiative personaloption dot com. That's going to have all
of our up to date initiatives in regards to the
personal option. I love it because it's a different, more
nuanced way of thinking about healthcare and really driving the
fact that health insurance is not necessarily healthcare and the

(01:36:45):
different ways that you can be empowered as an American
patient and family. And then, you know, just keep up
with us on Twitter and x AT, AFP, HQ, and
of course continue to have mister Neil back on because
we are so lucky to have and he's certainly a
helly in when it comes to healthcare.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
He is that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
But Lawrence Stewart, you did an admirable job today. I
appreciate your willingness to talk to my listeners to me
about this unbelievably important topic. And uh, I will encourage
my listeners to go to the websites and learn and
help out. Lawrence Stewart. I hope to have you on
again someday seven fifty five KR see the talk station
you want to save money anywhere, anytime. Take your infote

(01:37:26):
to go.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I'm listening to your heart powered.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
By fifty five krs the talk station at six fifty
five KR see the talk station. Happy Wednesday made even
extra special today Hour of Power. My listeners know that
means we're talking about Congressman Thomas Massey right now, followed
by Joe Jennena Politano and Great Alicia Reze Hamilonkenn Commissioner

(01:37:49):
is going to be joining the program at the end
of the hour to talk about the budget. Welcome back
Congressman Thomas Massey. Thank you for coming on the Morning
showing in advance. Happy Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Great to be back on with you. Brian, all right, we.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Haven't been talking about it much here in the Morning Show,
but let's start with the January sixth pipe bomber. No,
it's not Erkele from Family Matters. It's Brian Cole Junior,
thirty years old. So what was all the brand new
evidence and what's the diligent efforts that the Trump administration
engaged in to catch this guy that the Biden administration
apparently didn't do. From everything I've gathered, there was nothing.

(01:38:26):
There were no new tips, no new evidence. They just
put together what they had and processed it and found
out where he is. Do I am I missing something,
Congressman Massey, No, the.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Story still does not add up. And there's no way
they're going to make me believe that this autistic allegedly
according to his family, he's autistic, That this autistic kid
he also happens to be African American living in his
you know, family's basement. They're liberals, they're trying to make

(01:38:59):
you believe. At least the news is right now that
this guy confessed to being a Trump supporter and that
he placed these pipe bombs, that he masterminded this pipe
bomb attack on January sixth on the Capitol. Remember this
of five years ago. I'm not buying it. I do
not believe an autistic black kid in his parents' basement

(01:39:21):
evaded the FBI for five years and masterminded this and
built these pipe bombs by himself. Could he have been
a patsy? Could he have been part of this overall conspiracy, Yes,
could have been. But right now the evidence is then
what they've presented so far, and they've got some cell

(01:39:42):
phone pings, and here's why I don't believe it, Brian.
I sat in the room. I was part of a
deposition of the FBI guy who was in charge of
the Washington Field office when January sixth happened, and he
was in charge of the investigation to find out who
the pipe bomber was. But guess what his resume includes.

(01:40:02):
Just a few months before, he had been transferred from Michigan,
where he oversaw the FBI fed napping case of Governor Whitmer.
Remember they had some not the brightest citizens in the world.
They had entrapped them, most of the people involved in
that kidnapping case. Where FBI informants are agents. Well, he

(01:40:26):
comes from that office, he comes to DC. He's there
when January sixth happens. He's overseeing all the FBI in Washington,
d C. He's overseeing the investigation. We call him in
when we get the majority, because remember the Democrats were
in the majority for a while Nancy Pelosi was running things.
When we get the majority, Jim Jordan calls him in

(01:40:47):
to ask him about the raid on mar Lago, which
he also oversaw. And I asked, Jordan, Hey, could I
pop in while you're doing the transcribed interview and ask
him some questions about January sixth. He says sure. So
I go into the transubscribed interview and I asked him,
why haven't you guys used cell phone pings? We got
video of the pipe bomber placing bombs allegedly on January fifth.

(01:41:10):
Now he wore a mask or she wore a mask
and glasses and a hood, so we couldn't identify the person.
But you've got cell phone pings of this person. How
come you haven't identified him for her? And he said
the cell phone data was corrupted. So here's the problem
with that. We go to the cell phone providers and

(01:41:31):
they all of them said no, their data was not corrupted.
So this is one reason I'm skeptical. Brand is I
had the assistant FBI director in charge of the Washington
Field office just lie to me in a transcribed interview
where he was under oath, and here they are, five

(01:41:53):
years later, they're saying their strongest case is the cell
phone pings to identify this this guy in his basement.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
So were they lying to you then or lying to
you now, Congress Ambassy?

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I think both. It is possible that it's both, So okay,
So there's a lot more to this too. I don't
know that we've got enough time on your show. It
was my staffer who discovered how the second pipe bomb
was found. He sifted through dozens of hours of video
that weren't publicly available until we got them released, and

(01:42:31):
he found out there was two counter surveillance police officers,
Capitol Hill police officers who found the second pipe bomb
within fifteen minutes of getting out of their car. They
walked right to it and found it. And I thought
that was very suspicious. I asked Christopher Ray in a hearing,

(01:42:51):
have you interviewed these individuals? He couldn't give me a
straight answer. I asked the Washington Field Office director if
he if that person would be a suspect. He said,
that's investigation one oh one, and so there's some suspicious
stuff going on there. By the way, my former staffer
was hired by the FBI and has been working on

(01:43:13):
this case over there. So and then also I brought
in the counter one of the two counter surveillance officers.
They never let me talk to the other one, but
one of them came to my office, not in a
transcribed interview, but just as sort of a chat but
they brought a handler for him who interrupted him frequently

(01:43:36):
or clarified his answers, or wouldn't let him answer into
my they brought the handler with him. The handler turns
out to be the atf UH guy in charge of
January sixth, who somehow migrated his way over to third
in command at Capitol Hill Police. I suspect he was

(01:43:58):
he worked his way into Capitol Hill par so that
he could basically watch over this investigation as it played
out and make sure that none of the Capitol Hill
Police officers were implicated. Finally, there's a January sixth committee,
you know, the bogus one the Democrats ran. Well, Barry
Loudermilk represented. Barry Loudermilk convinced the Speaker and the White House.

(01:44:22):
The White House had to fight to to get the
Speaker to let him even set up this committee, which
just blows my mind. Why wouldn't you want to know
if there was some conspiracy, Yeah, to make the President
and all of MAGA look bad like there was good,
like there was an insurrection. Well, finally Barry Loudermilk gets
the right to run this committee. It's a subcommittee, and
I've been working with him and his staff. He's allowed

(01:44:45):
to investigate anything except the Capitol Hill Police.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Holy cow. You know we've talked about your inability to
get information. You are oversight, You represent your constituents, you
represent the American people. You were the one who is
responsible for looking into these matters on behalf of the
American people. This is just one more in a long, long,
painfully long list of illustrations of them refusing to give

(01:45:12):
you or anybody else access to information, whether it's physical
information like video tape evidence. You can't talk to people
these interferences with your ability to Q and A people
who are behind the scenes and have the information. I mean,
this is beyond I want to use the word troubling,
but that just doesn't emphasize the problem enough.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Congress from Massey, and when you talk about my authority
or responsibility to do oversight, that's a particular responsibility because
I'm on the judiciary right, we have oversight over FBI,
DOOJ and ATF, which is why I have asked them
all about January sixth and these public hearings. I asked

(01:45:54):
agent or the FBI director Dental Bok if these pipe
bombs were viable devices, could they have ever gone off?
And they never got a straight answer from him. The
reality is you can't set a pipe bomb off sixteen
hours later with a sixty minute kitchen timer. These pipe
bombs had like the little egg timers you see at Walmart,

(01:46:15):
and so many people have them in their kitchens. That's was,
you know. And the FBI story for five years has
been that the bombs were set, you know, the night before,
not the day of January sixth. There's so much of
this that doesn't add up. There's also this new there's

(01:46:36):
a couple new revelations that have come out in the
last month. By the way, this is another suspicious thing.
Barry Loudermilk's committee as well as an investigative journalist at
The Blaze, came out with new information that implicated Capitol
Hill Police. Two new pieces of information, and within a

(01:46:58):
few weeks the FBI goes in. Now somebody that is
allegedly autistic and evaded the FBI for five years. But
the new information is that somebody used a Metro card
and that belonged to a government employee. That Metro card

(01:47:21):
had only been used twice on January fifth and January sixth,
they've got this guy on video, and when they traced
the Metro card owner, it turns out the FBI had
staked this guy out for a week and then we're
called off of it. But he lives next door to
a Capitol Hill police officer that lives like twelve miles

(01:47:43):
away from DC. We're not talking about two people that
And when I say next door, they share a wall, Okay,
and they it's crazy. But the FBI has video of
the person who used that Metro card casing the law.
So one of the locations that the pipe bomb was placed,
he's there on January fifth taking pictures. I mean he

(01:48:06):
gets on before he gets out of the subway, he
puts on a hood, he puts on a mask, he
puts on glasses so he can't see who it is,
not glasses, but he puts on a totally different change.
The f to I quit track in that person. Still
to this day, Cash Patel doesn't have a a story
for why they didn't keep going after that guy. Anyways,

(01:48:30):
I know this is a lot of information to dump
on your listeners. You can watch there's a video that
Kyle Saraffin put out that goes over this there's a
video on Free the People of Me and Steve Baker,
who's the investigative journalist at The Blaze. We spent about
an hour talking about in this case, and I'm going

(01:48:50):
to do another interview today for about an hour going
through the state of play with this case. But the
reason your listeners should care is this may have been
a conspiracy by the left that involved parts of our
government who either it's it's no longer possible to believe

(01:49:12):
that they were this inept because they've they've been lying.
This may have been a conspiracy to incite a riot
at the Capitol or to make it or to make
it look like President Trump was part of this, and
to discredit the entire right continuing. Yes, one last thing.

(01:49:40):
The prosecutor they put in charge of this case this
week is the one who tried to prosecute General Michael
Flynn and the one who tried to get false, false
confessions from the Proud Boy. She convicted the Proud Boys.
She's notorious for dealing with altered evidence in order to

(01:50:06):
convict people and Trump's sphere, and the deal she offered
to one of the Proud Boys was if you'll implicate
President Trump, will give you a lighter sentence. Why the
heck is she still working at thee OJ and why
did they put her on this case?

Speaker 8 (01:50:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Who's in charge of that?

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
I mean you would think it would be Pam Bondy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Yep, you would think apparently not. Congres from Thomas Massey Frightening,
frightening revelations this morning, we'll continue with Congress from Massey.
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(01:50:48):
you follow by Joe Jenner Polatano. Since Judge and Polatana
wants to talk about blowing up drug smugglers fifteen hundred miles, well,
I'll bring it up your attention. I know you and Massey,
are you and Napolitano and even I feel on the
same side on that. I'm worried. And now Donald Trump's
talking about dropping bombs on Venezuela. Congressman Thomas mess it
looks like it's going to be up for a vote.

(01:51:08):
Do we need an authorization and use of military force.
Do we need a declaration of war? What happens if
neither of those passes were kind of status quo, which
means Donald Trump's going to continue bombing Congressman, Well, there should.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Be a vote on it, and there hasn't been a
vote on it. Even with the isolated incidents of killing
let's say Solomony or other terrorists or people associate with terrorists,
they're operating off of two thousand and one AUMF that
authorized I'll put in quotes air quotes authorized global war

(01:51:41):
on terror. But you have to be al Qaeda or
an associate of al Qaeda to be covered by that
global war on terror. There is no AUMF authorization use
of military force that's been passed by Congress to authorize
attax on Venezuela or its proxies. It just doesn't exist.
And the problem with what's going on right now, you know,

(01:52:05):
there's a whole controversy over the double tap where they
may have bombed a boat and there were a couple
of survivors and they went back and killed the survivors.
If this had been a true war, you know, let's
say you were in Afghanistan, there was a convoy of
terrorists with machine guns and you know, armored vehicles and bombs.

(01:52:25):
And I've talked to some of my military friends. They say, yeah,
we would we go back and clean up, and if
we didn't get all the terrorists in that convoy, we
go back and kill the rest of them or enemy
combatants for instance. But this is different. What they've done
is they've blurred the line between the police action and
a military action. They're not saying that these people had

(01:52:48):
guns on the boats and that there was an imminent
threat that they could get up and pick up a
gun and shoot the plane or whatever. And so I
think that's where we're running into the the moral, the
ethical and the legal issues is they're trying to take
something which is ostensibly a police action, which is to
stop drugs from being run, and turn it into a

(01:53:11):
military action. And that with the bigger problem here is
they want regime change in Venezuela. And this is probably
more about overthrowing a country or a or a leader
of a country, whether he be a dictator or not,
than it is about stopping the flow of drugs. If

(01:53:31):
it's about stopping the flow of drugs, and you could
bomb any boat that had drugs on it would be
bombing the posts from China to Mexico that carry the
precursors of ventanyl.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Yes, but you see, they're a military power that has
nuclear weapons and a very strong military, and we've got
a lot of geopolitical realities to deal with with China,
so there's no way in hell we're going to touch them.
But you go to Venezuela, where there's very barely an
army you could call, or a military you could even
call a standing military. Apparently there's so ill equis and
poorly trained, and they've lost a lot of their global

(01:54:03):
support Venezuela has, so you're it's an easy target.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
So yes, and and just to close this out, I
don't know that there will be a vote on it,
but I'm trying to force a vote. I have co
sponsored a War Powers Act here in Congress to say
that you either have to withdraw hostilities against Venezuela or
you've got to get an authorization from Congress. That's just
like constitutional common sense. So I've co sponsored that, and

(01:54:32):
there's a good chance we can force a vote on
that because there are parliamentary procedures that let you do that.
Speaking of forcing a vote. I know, we just have
a few minutes. I wanted to give you an up
date on the Epstein file. Oh yeah, Transparency Act. Okay,
So we got that passed in the House. Everybody opposed
me until they saw I was going to win, and

(01:54:54):
the vote was four hundred and twenty seven to one.
The Senate has never passed a bill so quickly. In fact,
they passed my bill before it got there. They made
a unanimous consent to say, as soon as Massey's bill
gets to the Senate, it's going to be passed already.
So it went straight to the President's desk. They have
until we gave them thirty days the DOJ and FBI

(01:55:16):
to release this not to Congress, not to the Speaker,
not to some chair of some committee, but to the
public in a searchable format, not drips and drabs that
you can't have to get AI to sort through. This
has to be in a public, searchable format by December nineteenth.
So they've got nine days to produce all the material.

(01:55:38):
They are supposed to redact the child sexual material exploitation
in two and the victims' names, but everything else has
to be published within nine days. And two great things
that have happened already. There are three cases that had

(01:56:00):
grand jury material that was sealed. There was the original
Epstein case in Florida, there was the Jlane Maxwell case,
and then there's the second Epstein case that he went
to prison for in New York. The DJ was told
when they asked for the grand jury material to be
released that the law wouldn't allow them to release it,

(01:56:22):
and so the judges wouldn't release it. But the DJ,
to their credit, went back to these courts and said,
now that Massey's bill has passed, can.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
You release it?

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
And two of the two of the three judges have
said yes, we're gonna we're going to override like new
laws override old laws. I think I've said this on
your radio show before. This is just common sense too.
People were like, well, you can't release grand jury material.
I'm but this is a law and it overrides the
old laws or the or even things that are just precedent.

(01:56:53):
So two of the three judges have said, yeah, we're
going to release the grand mature grand jury material. After
we were dak victims' names. We'll give it to the
DOJ so they'll be in possession of that. The third
Judge just hasn't ruled yet. Well, and so that's that's
the development, that's big, that's already happened.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Popcorn has been out some people viewing this as a
distraction from the broader problems, like, for example, bombing boats
off coast of Venezuela and engaging in war without an
authorization of youse some military force or a declaration judging.
The Polatana is waiting in the wings. I threw that
in there for his education. So Congressman Thomas Massey, a
hello from Judge Jennen of Politano, and I will say

(01:57:33):
hello from you to him as he's waving God bless you, sir.
I appreciate what you're doing. Keep up the great work,
and let's get that information out there, most notably about
the Jay six bomber man. That is scary stuff you
brought to our attention this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
Well, Merry Christmas to you, to your listeners, and especially
to Judging of Politano.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Right back at to Merry Christmas, Congressman Thomas Massey, to
you and your loved ones. We'll talk again after the
first of the year, and I look forward to that.
Coming to with an eight twenty nine Judge of Poltona
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A lot of people decorate their front yards with inflatable santus,
but our next guest has decorated his yard this year
with an inflatable Congressman Thomas Massey and Senator Rand Paul.

(01:59:05):
They're both holding a twenty by thirty foot American flag
made up of over six hundred led twinkle whites. Who
was tearing up just thinking about it. The judges next
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Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
I think Massy's also got a giant discharge petition to
get a vote on the authorization for you some military force.
Welcome back, Judge Editor Politano.

Speaker 8 (01:59:31):
Thank you, Thank you. Brian chuck Is.

Speaker 13 (01:59:35):
You know he really puts time atto crafting these things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
He he does quite often.

Speaker 14 (01:59:39):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
I will give Joe Stracker credit because Joe helped me
along the way, because you know, he's busy doing the
traffic for like nine thousand cities across this great land
of ours that are serviced by iHeartMedia, so we'll share
the love. But he certainly does a great job delivering
on it, Judge Enita Politano, and I was we had
more topics to talk about with Congressman Massy. I wanted

(02:00:00):
to get into that blowing up drug smuggler thing because
you Senator Ran Paul. Of course, Congressman Massey and I
seem to be the lone three four five total people
in the world. You think there's a problem with blowing
up boats off of Venezuela. You and I have talked
about authorization, youse some military force. We think we're on

(02:00:22):
questionable constitutional grounds because there's no reference to the AUMs
in the Constitution. You either have a declaration of war
or you don't, or it falls within like an emergency power.
Donald Trump sees the troops coming at us over the
horizon and needs to act right away as commander in chief.
You and I agree. Congressom Massy agrees that ain't what's
going on with fifteen hundred miles away boats that may

(02:00:46):
may have drugs on them.

Speaker 13 (02:00:48):
And even the Democrats. I was moved by Congressman Jim Himes.
I don't really agree with him un much, but he
was visibly shaken by what he observed and he saw
the two survivors obliterated. But even the Democrats are not
complaining about the whole project, aha, the entire concept. They're

(02:01:10):
just complaining about killing the survivors. All of this killing
is unconstitutional and criminal. There is no legal basis for it.
The government knows that, and it refuses to release It's
so called authority to do so.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Well, as Congressmanski just got done pointing out all these
extra judicial killings, the ones done by Obama. And you
know that we could go on and on because you
bring them up regularly, including the killing of American citizen
overseas done under the twenty two thousand and one authorization
for used military force to go after Islamic fundamentalist terrorists.
Broad leeway there, They're everywhere you can find them. But

(02:01:48):
I don't think that Venezuela and Narco folks are fundamentalist
Muslim terrorists, so you can't put it under that AUMF.
So you need a new one that allows us to
wage a war against I guess when the President and
says Narco terrorist, they're Narco terrorists. But if they are,
then you need a specific authorization to go after those
in the way we're going after them, right, correct.

Speaker 13 (02:02:08):
Correct, There is no such an authorization. Listen, I'm I'm
with Senator Paull, Congressman Massey, and you on this. The
AUMFS authorizations for use of military force are unconstitutional. They're
unrecognized by the Constitution because they don't have an end
period to them. When we declared war on Japan and

(02:02:32):
Germany and Italy on December eighth, nineteen forty one. The
declaration of war ended expired when they surrendered. These aumfs
have no surrender. When Donald Trump used a drone to
kill General Solomani in twenty nineteen based on the two

(02:02:52):
thousand and one Authorization for the Use of Military Force,
there was no connection whatsoever. SOLEMONI was and Iraqi who
was in Iran trying to negotiate peace, and they murdered
him and claimed to get something to do with nine
to eleven. He was a young man in nine to
eleven and had nothing whatsoever to do with it. These

(02:03:13):
authorization for use of military force authorizations are like a
loaded gun in the resolute desk waiting for the President
to take it out and kill whoever he wants.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
All right, now, let's to address the underlying problem. I mean,
I'm in accord with my listeners. We had a real
problem with people criminally ferrying drugs into our country, demonstrably
bad for our country, hundreds of thousands of people who
have died already. I know we got a problem with consumption,
but those drugs are not legally allowed to come into
our country. So fighting the drug problem and going after

(02:03:46):
them seems to be the ultimate goal. Expedience is what
Donald Trump is embracing. Hell, I'll just blow them up
and we'll just you know, let Congress and and everybody
twiddle their thumbs and scream and yell about it. We
need an AUMF, we need a declaration of war. All
how do we what do we need to do to
get to the problem. I mean, if you and I
are an agreement on this, so how do.

Speaker 13 (02:04:06):
The liberious libertarian in me says, you own your own
body and people should be able to do whatever they
want to their own bodies.

Speaker 8 (02:04:13):
Now.

Speaker 13 (02:04:13):
I recognize that drugs have ruined people other than those
who take them, because the people who take them have
spouses and children and jobs and are engaged in economic, social,
cultural activity.

Speaker 4 (02:04:26):
But I think you should be able to do what
you want.

Speaker 13 (02:04:28):
That view is not going to prevail. We are victorians.
The government thinks that it knows what's better for us.
The second view is a due process. Due process would
say follow the boat until it gets into American waters,
Stop the boat, search it. If there's no drugs, leave

(02:04:50):
them alone. If there are drugs, arrest everybody, prosecute them.
You will learn a lot more about where the drugs
came from and how they got in the Nation States,
by the process of prosecution and plea bargaining negotiation, then
you will by destroying everything. Where will I'm now parroting

(02:05:10):
Senator pull Where will the destruction stop? I mean, suppose
the boat makes it to Miami and unloads into a
moving van, and the moving van is going north on
ninety five towards Orlando. Can you blow up the moving van?
I mean, where will this stop?

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
That's a great point, I agree, And if they entered
international waters, I think law would prohibit us from just
unilaterally blowing them up, certainly in the absence of an
authorization used military force. They're in international waters, I mean
they're in a rather territorial waters. They don't mean international water.
So once they've got to the point where they do
represent an emminent threat faring this dangerous cargo, like you said,

(02:05:49):
pull them over like the Coastguard does and prosecute it.

Speaker 13 (02:05:52):
I mean, these speedboats have a maximum distance of fifty
to sixty miles, and they all, all of them, except
for the two or three that were off the coast
of Mexico, were fifteen hundred miles from the United States. Basically,
this thug, Admiral Bradley was shooting fish in a barrel,

(02:06:16):
and as I point out in the article, he was
in Florida. The vehicles, whether they were drones or jets,
took off from Florida. The people pressing the buttons and
locating the targets are in Florida. There's somebody to the
Constitution in Florida. They can't say they escaped the Constitution
because they're doing their work in the Caribbean. They can't

(02:06:38):
say they escaped the constitution because they're targeting narco terrorists.
Narco terrorists is not a legal term, it's a political term.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Yeah, and that's I think that's sort of an endeavor
to be sly and kind of shoehorn the drug dealers
into the prior authorisation use military force, which of course
were related to Muslim and fundamentals terrorist. So I don't
know if you can necessarily do that, but it sounds
good when you say it out loud. Look, I'm bringing
about justice. I'm dealing with these people expediently. I'm sending

(02:07:08):
a message to the world. And the only reason that
message is being sent because of the course of Venezuela
can't defend itself, right right.

Speaker 8 (02:07:17):
So listen.

Speaker 13 (02:07:17):
I don't know how this ends. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, who's
the former chief of staff of the State Department under
Colon Powell, has told me that the government is spending
a billion with a bee a day to house twenty
thousand troops down there and a dozen ships a billion

(02:07:39):
with a bee a day. Is that just wasted or
will Trump feel the need to do something? And yesterday
they conducted the practice runs in Puerto Rico of storming beaches.
And yesterday President Trump said of President Maduro his days
are numbered.

Speaker 8 (02:07:57):
For what.

Speaker 13 (02:07:58):
Venezuela doesn't pose the lightest national security threat to the
United States. It is not an exporter of drugs. The
fentanyl is made in Mexico and comes directly from Mexico.
The cocaine comes from Honduras, the president of which he
just let out of jail from a forty five year

(02:08:19):
prison term. Who is the biggest exporter of cocaine in
the history of the United States government. What am I
missing here, Brian?

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Not quite sure what. I'm sure there are certain elements
that you left out, but you know, it just serve
to further illustrate your broader point. And I know it's
difficult for my listeners to hear. They hate hearing that
this is unlawful or extra constitutional, but you know what
it's it's the try. I think you can't get escape
the truth. Breathe the document, I mean congressional actions and.

Speaker 13 (02:08:49):
Took an oath faithfully to enforce the laws and faithfully
to uphold the Constitution. The laws for him a extra
judicial killing, and the Constitution requires process. A high school
student could tell you that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Are you talking today on Judging Freedom your podcast Judging
and Apolitano.

Speaker 13 (02:09:08):
I have a professor Glenn Dieson and Max Bloomenthal and
Phil GERALDI three of my Wednesday regulars. Brian, we are
oh so close to reaching a magic number before Christmas,
which will be one hundred million views. Ah, we stay on,

(02:09:31):
If we stay on pace, we will reach that a
day or two before Christmas.

Speaker 4 (02:09:35):
Eve.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
I wish you all the luck in the world and
achieving that lofty goal. Judging and a Polton and deserving
of it you are. We'll be listening to your podcast
and of course tuning in every Wednesday here in fifty
five Kressey Morning Show at eight thirty. God bless you, sir.
We'll talk next Wednesday.

Speaker 13 (02:09:48):
Thank you, Thank you, Brian remind Ingram I love them.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
I will do just that, sir. Take care coming up.
Alisia Reese, how much kind of commission she talks station
about eighteen forty seven? Ryan Thomas pleased as he can be,
Please as I can be to Welcome to the fifty
five KRC Morning Show. Hamon County Commissioner Alisha Rees. Alicia,
it's great to have you on the morning show. Thanks
for coming on today.

Speaker 12 (02:10:13):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
Please do and please to see you stepping over the plate.
Hamilon County Prosecutor Connie Pillage, I understand, actually showed up
in your budget discussion, meaning as I understand you and
the other county commissioners are currently working on the county budget,
which must be approved by December thirty. First, if I've
got that right, it was noted by local news. I
think the Inquiry and Fox nineteen I know both reported

(02:10:36):
on it. You said, the first time you've ever seen
a prosecutor come in in person for the presentation, because
Connie Pillage is worried about the budget cut coming her way.

Speaker 12 (02:10:46):
Yeah, it's the first time that since I've been elected
that I've seen the actual prosecutor come in on in
terms of a budget, they usually send their budget people,
and she came in herself and let me just say,
we've got a tough budget. And you know, for anything,
you've got to get to votes. And I have been
fighting against a lot of things that have been going

(02:11:08):
on for you know, decades, because people who elected me said, hey,
we want to we want to make sure that the
citizens and the taxpayers come first. And so in this budget,
I'm really want to make sure that we have safety.
We've got to have safety, and we have to have affordability.
So I've been fighting against property high property tax increases.

(02:11:31):
You know, I've been fighting for the thirty percent that
was promised to the people we went to the Yeah,
I've been fighting that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
And thank you from the bottom of my heart, thank
you for being the ones that say, listen, we promised
the voters we would do this. Let's step up and
do what we were what we promised. Thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (02:11:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:11:49):
So it's been a real tough fight because this time
they didn't go with it. My two colleagues passed a
new deal with the Bengals, and the advisor said, if
we pass this particular new deal, it would cut out
the promise to the homeowners. And so that's why I
couldn't go with that deal. I said, let's get a
different deal. Let's try to do what Denver did, get

(02:12:10):
some more private investment. And most of the deals now
for the stadiums, have more private investment. But I was
out numbered, and they went with this deal. And they
knew that in this deal, and in my speech with
the experts, the finance people, they knew that the homeowners
would get cut out. And so now in this budget
they only want to give four percent to the homeowners

(02:12:31):
when they were supposed to get thirty percent. So the
property tax this year will go up. And then they
tried to blame the homeowners, said, well, the homeowners, they're
going to bankrupt the fund. No, the stadium deal is
bankrupt in the fund because we didn't get a better
We didn't get a better deal. So taxes are going
up there. So I've been fighting that. Then they wanted
to add can you imagine this in this budget? They

(02:12:53):
wanted to balance it by adding a new transfer tax
if you sell your home. And so the Relatory Alliance
folks and the relatives that everybody came down the experts
yesterday in our hearing and said, we can't do that.
That will make or break and be passed on to
the homeowners, the buyers, the sellers, and run people to

(02:13:14):
clear myt County Warrant County in Kentucky because we would
have the highest transfer tax on fighting to get that
out of there. Now, on top of that, we have
in the budget where they only put flat for the
prosecutor's office. And I said, wait a minute, I mean
they have positions that need to be felled. And the
prosecutor came down and said she would have to lay

(02:13:37):
off people. And let me be absolutely clear, safety and
affordability are my two biggest things. And I said, wait
a minute. The prosecutor's office must be fully funded and
staffed to make sure that we're taken on crime. We're
having justice and we've got safety, and then the other

(02:13:58):
thing in state law. To be honest, the prosecutor's office
could go to the courts and get the budget. They
don't have to be working, you know, with us. So
I'm happy that the prosecutor county pillage as we said, hey,
let's try to work this thing out. But I'm telling
the administrator and I'm only one vote, but very important.

(02:14:20):
We've got to have a voice. I said, she needs
to make sure that her office is funded, has the
right staffing, to make sure that the whole county is safe.
I'm talking villages and townships and cities. I mean, this
is the core of the budget, and we've got to
make sure that it happened. We can't be funding stadiums
and then come back and say we can't fund the

(02:14:40):
prosecutor's office.

Speaker 4 (02:14:41):
It just doesn't make sense, really, And that's.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
One of the more profound points that came out, and
I'm glad you embraced that. You know, we've got to
consider priorities. We agree to spend three hundred fifty million
dollars on pay corps, and I know we have a
lease obligation to do something along those lines where you're
going to have to, you know, tighten the belt elsewhere,
and we need to keep the prosecutor's office fully funded.
I sort of viewed this flat budget that Jeff Alito,
the county administrator, suggested, which will result in I think

(02:15:05):
eighteen prosecutors getting laid off or late eighteen people being
laid off in the prosecutor's office is analogous to kind
of like defund police. If the prosecutors don't have the
ability to prosecute cases, then either they're going to enter
into real soft plea agreements so they don't have to
take people to trial, or they're just going to not
prosecute them at all. That is not good for the
state of crime in the county.

Speaker 12 (02:15:26):
No, that's a safety hazard. And I've indicated to the
administrator I don't know and even to her budget person,
how in the world did we come in flat on
the prosecutor's office. I mean, that's where you kind of
start off, and then you know, the prosecutor's office, the
shares office. We've got to have safety and we have
to have affordability, and that's how I look at the budget.

(02:15:47):
I want safety and then I want affordability so the
people can afford to live here. And right now we're
in an imbalance as it relates to those areas. And
you mentioned you said we have obligations with the stadiums.
Remember that obligation had expired. True, so we had a
chance to do a new thing, and we came back
with a new thing. That axed out a three hundred

(02:16:08):
and fifty million, eight hundred total million deal with interest,
and we came in with something axing out the homeowners.
And that's why I wanted to take it to the ballot,
because if you don't go to the ballot, they'll ax
you out. And then you come back and say, now
we're going to add the transfer text and then let
me say this. People said, we where are you gonna
find some of the money. Well, that in the in
the budget we had approved and I support sundance. I

(02:16:32):
supported it two million dollars, but we didn't get sundance.
We also approved another five million dollars for a women's
soccer league. I supported that, but we didn't get it.
So that I told the administered I said, that's seven
million dollars I just found that we didn't use. Yeah,
why can't we Why can't we put that toward the

(02:16:52):
prosecutor's office. He said, well, normally, you know, those are
interest earning funds that he found. And he said, normally
we don't do that one time. But remember our budget.
We have one time budgets because we do at the county.
Unlike other governments, we have a yearly budget, So do
it now sales tax. Hopefully the economy recovers and then

(02:17:14):
we worry about it next time. But we have us,
we have an emergency to make sure that the Prosecutor's
office is fully staged. Yeah, it can do their jobs.
And because safety is on the line, and then affordability
is on the line, and those are the two things
that I think are important in the budget. So I've
been fighting for these things because there's some tough times

(02:17:36):
out here.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
Alisha Reice. You just got done finding seven million dollars.
Give the prosecutors offers a two million dollars shortfall that
that will cover them until next year. And we'll always
going to face problems, right, Alicia, deal with it next year.
You got five million extra that you didn't spend. Why
not throw that at some of the other problems that
people are screaming about? You are you? Is there is

(02:17:57):
there a possibility as you see things right now, Commissioner Lish,
that they will the county pillets in the Prosecutor's office
will get that money that they obviously need in the
interest of Hamilton County and the residents. Is not over yet, No,
it's not over.

Speaker 12 (02:18:11):
I'm gonna fight like hell, I'm only one vote, but
you know when I put the thirty percent up when
I first got elected, he said, oh, there's no way
you're gonna get it. We was able to get it
one year, I was able to get the second year.
If we get the people. We got to have the people.
And always tell people when I'm down there, yes there's
three of us, but I'm representing two hundred and eighteen
thousand people that voted for me. So it's you know,

(02:18:32):
the people call and get involved in I've instructed the
administrator to get with the Prosecutor's office and let's try
to work this out because safety and affordability are the
two biggest things right now, and we've got to make
sure that the county is safe.

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
Excellent a call to action from kind of Commissioner Lisha
Reese to do everything that you and I want, which
is keep Hamilton County safe, get the prosecutor the funds
that she needs so we can prosecute crimes. Alicia, thank
you for being a reason. I will look forward to
having you back on this show. And if we don't
talk between now and December, I wish you the best
on the budget, and I wish you and your family
are very happy holiday and merry Christmas.

Speaker 12 (02:19:10):
Thank you, happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you as well
and your listeners, and thanks for having me on to
get the word out.

Speaker 1 (02:19:15):
Any time. Commissioner reaset anytime eight fifty six. Right now,
I fIF you've have Karrosite talk station.