AFP - Override Dewine's vetoes

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:03):
very happy Wednesday to you. Always extra special talking with
Donovan and Neil from Americans for Prosperity doing great work
here in the state of Ohio to try to bring
about some fiscal sanity and responsibility in government. Donovan, welcome
back to the morning show, my friend Brian.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Always good to be with you. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
All right, So we got the budget here in the
state of Ohio, and I've been on a tear constantly,
of course because of the six hundred million dollars going
to the Browns, and I know you have no control
over that, and it's not something that Dwined vetoed, which
really kind of irked me considering what he did veto
But because vetos line out in veto's which our governor
has the authority to do, they can be overridden. And

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that's what you're working on now to override some of
the veto's Dwine did, and some of them making me
scratch my head. It seems like everything related to providing
the Ohioans with property tax relief were the subject of
the veto pen and the line eye of veto. I
guess sort of as a broader perspective, why did Dwine
vote what I think a lot of people really would

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have really appreciated, which is some relief toward property taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, that's been a bit of a head scratcher.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Each of these vetos, the governor does put out a
veto message, you know, it's sort of a well curated,
you know, statement on each one of the items in general,
would I would summarize these as I understand them as
the governor felt like more review was necessary before making
any changes to the property.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Tax system here in the state of Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Which to me, Brian is ludicrous because last year there
was a select committee created in last year's budget that
met and vetted hundreds of hours of testimony, hundreds of
organizations delivered testimony, and they developed a report that was
released late last year, I think twenty one with items
of recommendations.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Which some of which items were the ones that were
included in the bill which he vetoed then correct and.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Also were items that over the last last six months
had received House and Senate versions of legislation, which also
Bryan received hundreds of hours of public vetting by organizations
across the political spectrum local government entities and otherwise that Ultimately,
the items that were included in the state budget regarding

(02:20):
property taxes, I think were generally very well vetted, generally
popular ideas that would actually solve some of the transparency
and accountability issues as well as bring direct relief to
property tax owners.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Right, maybe not as much as we all want. I mean,
they weren't going to solve the problem of our property
taxes going up thirty percent or whatever in any given
year when they do the review, but at least they
would help in some way, so, you know, every little
bit counts. I mean, I'll take a little bit. I'm
not going to get one hundred percent of what I want,
like how about no property tax? But at least that

(02:53):
they provided some foundation for us to get some you know,
transparency as you point out, or at least some measure
of leaf. Then why not what's wrong with it? Mike Dwine, Well.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, and I think that's why you're seeing such a
rapid response from lawmakers to come back and start with
this tranch of vetos. There are sixty seven in total,
a number of them. I think they still need to
do more overrights on, but at least for now, we've
got a commitment you know that the legislature made yesterday
calling numbers back January twenty first, eleven am to vote

(03:29):
on overriding three the three property tax items that the
governor vetoed.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, and before we get to the specific ones we're
going to talk about, I'll probably have to take a
break before we dive into those specifically. But by way
of process, as I understand it, I had one of
the state senators on the show, they don't have to
override all the vetos at one time that they want.
I mean, they can do them maybe three when they return,
and then further in the year they might want to
override some other vetos, So they can do little bytes

(03:56):
at the apple or just a step by step process
up to a certain deadline.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Correct, they can do all that, and they can even
just take these ideas as bills, right, Yeah, run these
bills through the process and send the bills straight up
to the governor.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So there's a lot of different paths the legislature has.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, And maybe the latter one and maybe it will
be even more effective.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
But if they can override the vetos, we get what
we want without having to go through another legislative session
and you know, through the committees, and they have that
introduced and been back and forth with the House and Senate.
Fair enough, let's bring Donovan O'Neil back to talk about
the three ones that they're targeting and hopefully we'll get
some relief from our elected officials on that and then
property tax relief to follow. Seven thirty five. Right now,

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Speaker 1 (06:49):
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Happy Wednesday. Brian here with Donovan and Neil for Americans
for Prosperity. All right, over riding, Mike Dwines Vetos. There
are three of them that you've ided that apparently they
have already elected officials, have already identified to vote on overriding.
Let's start with the property tax, the county budget Commission,

(07:10):
authority and procedure. What's this one all about? What would
the override do and if implemented, what would this do
by way of relief for us?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, So, one of the things that we've that's sort
of been identified and vetted through last year's joint Committee
and through testimony this year, is that there needs to
be another layer of accountability on on behalf of the
taxpayers to make sure that all of the taxing entities
within a county are taxing just what they need, not

(07:40):
what they want is how I describe it right, and
so on local levels, we have county budget Commissions.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
These are made up of.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
The prosecutor, the treasurer, and the county auditor. All of
our counties have these and what their job is to
do is to review every year.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
They review the.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Budget for all the political subdivisions within the county and
make sure that's leving the right property taxes and collecting
the necessary moneies.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Owed.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
What the legislature started to kind of pinpoint here is
that we should empower the County Budget Commission to have
stronger overset on behalf of the taxpayers. So if you
have a school district that's sitting on one hundred thousand
dollars as for example, although in this case be forty
thousand dollars, so any to go to over forty thousand,
I'm sorry, forty percent cash carryover, the County Budget Commission

(08:26):
could challenge that school board to put that money back
to the taxpayers and say, hey, look, you're not using
the money. You continue to go to the taxpayers and
raise their property taxes. What we're going to ask you
is we can say we're gonna say you can continue
to collect the money you need, you can even hold
forty percent of your carryover, but anything beyond that you
got to give back to the taxpayers if you don't

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have a valid, necessary purpose to use that money. Well,
that it would create a new check in balance to
strengthen taxpayer protections on a local level.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I get it all day long, and I understand the
point of it. But would that not potentially encourage the
school board to spend needlessly in order to get below
that forty percent carryover?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, I think that's one of the loopholes that can
definitely occur there. But I think what part of the
way the reformers like David Thomas and others who are
working on this issue see this is this is a
multi year effort to begin to reform structurally the way
that we do this so ten twenty fifty years from
now we don't find ourselves in a similar property tax crisis.
So it can provide some immediate relief but then long term,

(09:34):
the idea here is it's going to provide some structural
checks and balances to make sure that we don't get
into a situation like we find ourselves in today.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, And the other component of this just looking at
the details. The devil's always in the details. The three
individuals you identified in the prosecutor whoever, the three of
the represents the committee. Do they have the resources, the wherewithal,
the knowledge, the ability to look into each every taxing
authority within the county. I mean you think about the

(10:03):
various townships and how it's all broken down. This is
a whole lot of say, school districts that they'd have
to look at case by case. That's a lot a
lot of work that they would have to do, and
would they even do it effectively?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, the nice thing is is that actually already exists,
so they already meet They already exist within the Ohire
Revice Code. What this would have done with this, the
proposals would do is strengthen.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
That body right oversight. But they'd have to do basically
an accounting of the carryover. That seems to me the
really the fundamental point here is how much do they
have left in their budget from the prior year of
expenditures or prior budget, and are they at an over
that forty percent mark given the number school districts, even

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in Hamilton County. I just I find it hard to
believe that they'll be able to get that work done.
Be honest with you, Donovan, that actually all.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But see you're Brian, that information already already exists. Oh okay,
so the state already has that, so you can can
go and you can view that information now you can,
and so it's really just giving them the authority to
be able to point to this and say, look, you're
sitting on a lot of cash. You're now coming to
us asking and in this case in some cases coming

(11:17):
to us asking for another levee to go on the ballot. Right,
either spend the money you already have return to the taxpayers,
or don't even go, you know, don't go to the
ballot for more money because you're flushless cast.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I was not aware of those figures existed, because you
might have seems like I would have heard about that
in arguments over whether or not any given school levee
is justified or not. So all right, uh, item too.
The twenty mili flour calculation vetoed by governor to one.
What's what's this one going to do if overridden?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
So the twenty mili flour is a very flunky calculation.
But basically, in the state of Ohio, every school district
is entitled to twenty mils or two percent of the
property tax evaluation within that school district. So it's guaranteed
they would they that money they get. But what we've
found over the years, what has occurred over the last

(12:09):
several decades, is there are a number of levees, like
fixed some emergency levees ye that are not counted within
that twenty mil floor. And so what you have is
you're just gonna use funny numbers for illustrative purposes. Right,
ten mills of you know, existing levees are counted. You know,
you got on the ballot, you've gone to the voters,

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and that's on within that twenty mil floor. The state
automatically ups you another ten mills, so you got your
twenty mil floor. Ten of that was never voted for,
but it's just guaranteed. And then you have these other
levees counted outside of that. What we're saying is you
need to push those as many of those levees into

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that twenty mil floor and they all be counted, not
use these creative what do you call creative loophole to
pull levees outside of that floor, giving school districts the
ability to sort of just automatically increase property taxes on
folks without it actually going to the voter. And so
what this would have done is push all of those

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levees that are currently carried, you know, put on the
people of the state of Ohio within that twenty mili floor.
Say you've got to actually, you know, count everything within
that space. You can't pull things out of that floor
or exclude things from that floor, and by default sort
of create these unvoted tax increases on the people of Ohio.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
All right, and onto then Item number three, the school
district property tax levy restrictions.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, so this is something we've worked on for a while.
And what this would get to is it would limit
the types of property taxes that school districts could levee.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
And so right now they can levy have a leave nine.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
There are nine types of property taxes that can be
levied in the state of Ohio. The one I would
point to just makes the most sense to me. Here
is the differ replacement and a renewal levee, And so
to me, Brian, that sounds about the same, right, Replacing
and renewing something almost similar.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's what we find from voters.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But a renewal would be a renewal of a previously
set amount. A replacement might suggest that they're asking for it,
you know, getting rid of the prior one, but asking
for more.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's it thing, go, that's the idea, and so we
just want to clarify that language. You can go ask
for more money, but do it by saying you're going
to ask for more money if you want to renew
existing millage, renew existing millage and still collect the same
amount of tax dollars from your tax base that you
were looking for. It's simple stuff that brings transparency and confidence.

(14:39):
Doesn't provide immediate relief, right, but is part of the
push to structurally reform the system, which we need to
do in addition to delivering some of that immediate relief,
which is still you know, a work in progress.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
As they move through the session.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, these are baby steps, but at least important baby
steps and going in the right direction. For the purpose
of tax relief as opposed to the potential of our
taxes going up more than they already have. Fair enough,
absolutely well call to action from Americans for prosperity from
a listening audience, I'm guessing it involves getting touch with
your representatives and your senators.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
It always does. I think they're hearing it loud and clear.
But it's important to have your message heard, share your voice,
contact your state rep your state center. It's going to
start in the House of Representatives. They got to do
the first vote, sixty votes. It'll go to the Senate
they can override, and then we've got some of this
relief and some of these reforms put back into place
after the governor vetoed them.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Considering all the legwork that's been done up to getting
these items incorporated into the budget, only to be vetoed
by the wine you feel pretty confident they'll they'll they
have the votes to override the vetos.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I think so, And it's not unprecedented. The legislature overwrites
the governor somewhat frequently. I don't have the exact numbers,
but this this isn't unprecedented. These are very popular ideas again,
highly vetted ideas. I think we're going to see c
plus those might even see some crossover from our friends
in the Democrat caucus. We're going to spend the next
week or so, you know, doing events and connecting with

(16:09):
folks and trying to understand where members are. And if
there's anyone who's squishy or squeamish, you know what we'll do,
broom back in the line and rushers prusure supplied.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well. I suspect to the extent there's any opposition to this,
because property taxes are paid by people of all political stripes,
probably the teachers unions, trying to protect their turf and
get as much money as they possibly can from the
tax payer.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
It is the only corners of Capitol Square where there
is opposition to any reform, which is baffling to me,
knowing that that property tax ballot initiative is a sort
of damocles hanging over their head. Yeah, that's the nuclear
option here. It is these types of reforms, you know,
to our friends who want to see big government grow.

(16:50):
These types of reforms can provide at least some release
valve for folks who are feeling pain in their property taxes.
Vetoing these just puts more fuel on the fire. And look,
we got to make some big changes in the state.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I'm all for it. It is that property tax bill
is looming large in the background on this, of course,
lighting a fire under the folks and Columbus to actually
do something which they tried in the bill, but along
came Governor to whine. Donovan and Neil Americans for prosperity.
Thanks for all that you do on behalf of the
Ohio taxpayer. I'll look forward to talking with you again

(17:22):
next week. Have a fantastic balance of the week, my friend.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Appreciate you, Brian, thanks seven to fifty.

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