AFP - Override Dewine's vetoes

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This seven twenty nine on a Wednesday, and a happy
one to you. It's time we could talk to Donovan
Andeil Americans for Prosperities donov An Aneil, Welcome back, Donovan.
It's always a pleasure speaking with you on the fifty
five Case Morning Show.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brian.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Always good to start my morning with you. Let's talk
veto overrides. They didn't override all of the ones related
to property taxes, but we did get something accomplished the
other day. I know AFP was behind the effort to
restore those provisions in the budget that allowed for a
small measure a potential property tax relief. Got to qualify
all of it because it wasn't going to immediately result

(00:35):
in our property taxes drafting, but it would have provided
some measure of flexibility going in that direction. For whatever reason,
Governor de Wines struck those provisions from the tax bill,
claiming that they needed to be looked into more, which
is crazy considering our elected officials have been looking at
this for a solid year and that's how they came

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up with a list of potential property tax relief provisions,
some of which were ultimately incorporated into the incorporated into
the budget. So where are we on this right now,
Donovan and Neil?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean I think I think folks are a
little deflated after that result. But you know, the reality
is we we've over in one of those four provisions,
and it's an important one. It's the Truth and Taxation provisions.
And so what that's what that'll do when that goes
into effect after the Senate passes it, the senateslots to
vote on it, it'll allow it'll remove some of these

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inflamed language like emergency levees, and it'll remove some of
the confusing language like replacement levees.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And so it's an.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Important piece in the transparency side of the equation. But
on the relief side of the equation, we still need
things to get done. Their studies have been completed, the
testimonies all filed and delivered, but the governor, as you
pointed out, had vetoed some of the other provisions that
would resolve this. And now I think we're sort of
in a bit of a limbo over the next few

(01:58):
weeks till we.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Come back in the the fall.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Have you seen any further statement from Governor de Wyne's
office about his reasons for getting rid of the all
three of those property tax proposals again because they had
been what I understand is thoroughly discussed and thoroughly studied
in advance, and out he comes striking those provisions and saying,
when you to look at him further, it just doesn't
seem to make sense or add up. Donovan.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, No, I mean the you know, the committee, the
select working group of eleven members has been named. They're
going to meet for the first time tomorrow afternoon at
two o'clock, and they've got a charge to come up
with a list of working solutions, workable solutions by September thirtieth,
you know. But the thing is, I think what it

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ultimately is is because this working group has made up
of these folks, the thirty nine hundred political subdivisions across the.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
State of Ohio.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
The schools, the libraries, the cities, the townships, the villages,
the counties don't want to have to make tough decisions
with their funding, with their spending. They don't want to
have to go back to the voters when they need
money and make the case for why they need money
and how they're spending it. And so they ask the
governor to veto these things, he vetoed them on their behalf,

(03:12):
and now they have an opportunity, you know, to kill
more time without any relief insight for homeowners.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
And so they didn't want to do their own damn job,
A miss I think so.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I honestly, looking back at testimony, looking at comments that
they've made, and the composition of this work of this
governor's working group, I think they just don't want to
have to actually do their job. They're afraid they have
to go back to the voters. They are sitting on
large cash balances because they keep taking money from the
taxpayer without providing any relief or having any mechanism of accountability.

(03:48):
And their solution, their solution is to shift that tax burden.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
By expanding the homestead exemption.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Is the solution that the Democrats and many of the
local government officials have put forward. We're just we want
to take it out of the state General Revenue Fund
and we want to use that to provide relief. It's
masking the problem, it's not solving the spikes that occur,
and it's squeezing the middle class working families here in
the state of Ohio when we could actually deliver some

(04:17):
real solutions that smooth the problem out, begin to address
the issue in the long run, and give people some
immediate relief.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, I suppose what of this working group that Governor
de Wint's putting together. I mean, isn't it certainly plausible
that they come up with the same answers and same
suggestions as the working group that led to these three
provisions being in the budget in the first place. In
other words, the securitest route to back to where we
were before.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Given So if I laughed, because that's what I actually
pointed that out to a reporter I was speaking with
yesterday on this issue. I said, look, you know, this
is an issue that has been discussed and debated and
evaluated for the last two and hos half years. Right,
we have to select working group of legislators folks who
can actually do something on it. Right, compared to this

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working grip that can just issue recommendations. They identified twenty
one recommendations, an eight hundred page report, hundreds of hours
of public testimony from everybody around the state who has
an opinion on it. We've shown a light like every
corner of this issue has been identified, every possible solution
I think has really been vetted and identified. Now, maybe
these folks have something that hasn't been brought to the table.

(05:28):
But many of these folks, Brian, have been in the
ways and means committee rooms testifying or providing opinions on this,
and most of their opinions, Brian, have been they don't
like the ideas that the legislature is saying they need
to do that would actually solve the.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Problem, well, not liking them, and coming up with an
alternative that accomplishes what we are looking for, which is
some sort of property tax relief. I mean, I mean,
it's one thing to say I reject that because here's
the reasons why that won't work out. But here's a
better idea. We're missing that sort of ladder component in
this discussion.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well they have there. So their better idea is the
state should pay for this the state. We should shift
the money that the state collects and income and sales
tax and gross receipts tax, and the state should cover
that for the school districts who keep raising their taxes.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
That the devil on that one is in the details.
When the money goes out of Columbus out into the world, though,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It is, well, and again, it's just shifting that burden. Right,
We're not actually addressing the spending problem. We're not actually
addressing the unvoted tax increased problem that these local governments
are able to impose upon their citizens without a vote
of the people. We're just saying, hey, we're going to
actually take Columbus's money and we're gonna we're gonna redistribute
it out to inefficient governments around the state of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's lunoicrous.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
We you know, I shouldn't be paying for poor decision
making in Cincinnati, right, I agree. If the Democrats and
the Blues of Cincinnati and Hamilton County aren't able to
get it done, why should me here in Richland.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
County have to pay for that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's and that's what this That's what their proposal essentially
is is we're gonna shift that burden. We're gonna have
the state carryer water, and we'll just keep going along
until the next crisis.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Pops.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Should solve the crisis now and solve it for the
next fifty to one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
All right, Well, I know America's prosperity always has action plans,
and plans. I'm moving forward, so the couple of provisions
are remaining. Excuse me, remain vetoed and bring it back
and we'll walk through the next step of the analysis,
which is, I know there's that revoke property taxes in
the state of Aha proposed legislation that's floating around out there.
We get an update on maybe where that is. But

(07:43):
it seems to me as we pause for a moment
and bring it back, that this is only going to
exacerbate the christ to just eliminate property tax, which I
think takes us to probably a more complicated reality. But
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Speaker 1 (10:09):
If you have KCD talk station right, Thomas was don
on and of for Americans were prosperity talking about the
veto override singular two of them did not get over
ridden related to the property taxes and the budget bill.
Were the votes even close on the two that didn't
get over ridden? Donovan, Well, so it's a bit of
a procedural thing. They didn't even bring those two of vote.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
They tabled them because if they had brought them for
a vote and they failed, they would not be able
to go at it again. So you only kind of
get one bite out of veto override Apple. So there's
they're working still to come back. They'll be They always
come back for session days in September October, I think
that's when they planned to bring those up and address them.
There you had members who were out of town, members

(10:50):
who chose not to come back into town, and I
think just still some more discussion with members about what
we're trying to do here in the state of Ohio
to resolve this property tax crisis.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
All right now, as for this working group that Dwine's
putting together, that presumably will result in some legislative changes,
I mean, this was all in the budget bills they
had to pass that like any legislation. So if they
come up with some different proposals or even the same ones,
that's going to have to be incorporated into legislation that'll
have to be voted on in the normal process right well, And.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Unlike the General Assembly, they don't they don't have the
ability so this working group can can make recommendations till
they're blue in the face. Ultimately, it takes the legislature
introducing that as legislation. So you're right, it would have
to go through that whole process, multiple hearings, which is fine,
you can move those things along fairly fast. But the
reality is that working group won't have you know, isn't

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charged to bring recommendations back until September thirtieth.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Okay, so we're not done with veto override votes that
you've established. We know that they can come back, and
they just chose three property ones to go for this time,
only one got voted on five. Doesn't this present a
problem if there's a movement out there to have what
a constitutional amendment here in the state of Ohio circulating
petitions to get this on the ballot that will let

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us vote whether to eradicate them across the board, this
might fuel that effort. This delay and this working group
and this idea of going through the legislative process with
whatever future fixes they come up with. I mean, that's
still a woman in the background, though, isn't it thought
of it?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I mean you're talking to the guy in the
organization right, that's working every day to eliminate Ohio's income tax.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So yeah, you'll find you don't going to find me
defending keeping.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Taxes on the books, especially taxes that can kick people
out of their homes if they're failed to be if
they fail to pay them, right, which is what happens
if you fail to pay your property taxes even after
paying off your mortgage. And their ballot initiative is there.
It's a very it's very simple language. It's not like
what was that one from last year that was all
the last couple of years that's been all convoluted. It's
four lines, Brian, It's four lines that says in a

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constitution property tax essentially you can't put a property tax
on any homeowner property owner in the.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
State of Ohio.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
And so it's not a complicated ballot initiative. It's a
very simple message. And those folks are doing great work.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
They're chugging along, they're getting signatures.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
We've you know, we we've seen many of them at
the events that will do and I think you know,
if you're a local, if you're a political subdivision, right,
who's trying to wait up the clock and just slow
walk a process.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Or reform that is long overdue.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
This is the sort of damocles hanging over the head,
and it's the nuclear option that I think a lot
of citizens here in the state of Ohio are eager
to push the red button on.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
If you will well, and I mean, I guess one's
left with the perplexing question, the complex question of what
reaction will there be if that actually passes. I mean,
they're going to have a huge load of work on
their plates and Columbus trying to figure out how they're
going to cover the missing now missing property taxes since
so much of how you know, various entities are funded

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are predicated on property taxes, and these levies, I mean,
you're going have to start from scratch with the taxation system.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, because you know most I think, what is it,
twenty eight billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I believe I might be off a little bit there,
but is what is collected I believe in property taxes
across the state of Ohio. Between income and sales tax
here in the state of Ohio, I think that that
number comes in at about twenty three twenty four billion
and some change and so, and these property taxes don't
ever go through Columbus.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Right, That's something important here. None of this money is
actually managed by Columbus.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
It is all levied and authorized by the local political
subdivisions across the state of Ohio. And so when you
end that, you're ending I mean fifty to at least
fifty or more percent of.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Funding to local public schools.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
You're ending significant amount of money that go to your
townships where most ohiglands live, to pay for police and
fire services. Our roads will be fine because Governor Dwinjai
up our gas taxes in his first tournament office.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But you know the other kinds.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Of services that you that most people have come to
expect and depend on, those are in jeopardy. And I
think this game of chicken that's being played by political subdivisions,
where we could provide people with some relief is ultimately
could result in just an outright elimination of it. And
what we do, because again, we won't just stop having

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police and fire in schools, right, Brian, because those are
things most people to civilized society count on. We're just
going to put that burden on somebody else. That tax
shifts somewhere else. I think the real solution is Sorry.
The real solution I think here is we have too
gang much government here in the state of Ohio. We
really needed to start to contract, consolidate, and that would begin,

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I think, to solve many, many, many of the problems,
not just on the property tax issue, but the problems
that put our state in the bottom half of the
rankings across the country.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah. I just them to think the confounding mess that
would have to come about as after the elimination of
party tacks, because your local political subdivision is the one
that lives at the local schools and parks and everybody
are then going to have to go to Columbus and
lobby the elected officials there for their slice of whatever
allocation is coming out of Columbus under whatever formula they
come up with, maybe the raise sales tax to cover

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the missing twenty eight billion dollars we're talking about. I
don't know, but they're gonna have to justify themselves to
people in Columbus, as opposed to justifying themselves the local
community members in the form of lobbying for or against
a levee. You think local control would better manage the
finances and people in the community would say no, no, no,
you've got too much money school district. We're not going

(16:37):
to renew your levee or or you know, vote for
this emergency levee or whatever. But I just I just
can't imagine how complicated it would be if the money
just resides in Columbus then has to be doled out.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well, and that's the ironic thing here, rights those and
you think the folks in Columbus, the legislators in Columbus,
are going to want to do any favors for the
very people who been lobbying against the dozens of solutions they've.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Been putting forward.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
This is the thing, right, this is this is where
being you know, looking at this every day, both working
when in the grassroots or at events around the state
with our team at AFP, and being at the State
House and seeing the lobbyists and legislators engaging on this issue.
The solutions here, the solutions have been presented. The legislatures
put forward some very common sense ones that both provide

(17:25):
immediate relief and resolve the spikes and triggers that cause
crises like we've been experiencing for the last few years.
The problem is the local government lobbyists and it's this
township trustees, the school board officials, the superintendents, the teachers'
unions and the rest of them have been lobbying against
any common sense solution for the last two and a

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half years.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
And maybe they're going to get every.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Little bit they deserve if the property taxes elimined out
right in the state of Ohio.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Certainly is possible. Donovan and Neil, Americans for prosperity. Any
call to action for my listeners you typically do, I
mean maybe that one small step kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Well, yeah, I always go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com.
Buckeye blueprint dot com. You see and get plugged in,
check out all. We don't just work on this issue.
We work on a lot of different issues. Learn our message,
learn our mission, and if you want to get involved
in it, sign up and we'll reach out and bring
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
I can't encourage my listeners enough to do just that.
Donald van Neil, thanks for all the work that you
and AFP do throughout the week and the year, and
I'll look forward to another discussion with.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You next week.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
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