AFP - The Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here fifty five care and C the talk station. It's

(00:03):
one say Americans for Prosperity. Donovan Andeo joins the program
at this time talk stuff and things and most notably
stuff and things inside the Big Beautiful Bill. Welcome back,
Donovan and Neil. It's great to have you on the program. Brian,
always good to be with. Yeah. So your personal take
on this still called Big Beautiful Bill. I hate that name, honestly,

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I said that before. I really wish it wasn't called that.
I wish we could call it something else. But beyond
that I had I was disappointed that didn't cut, you know.
I mean, at one point five trillion dollars and cuts
over ten years when we're blowing through an extra two
trillion plus a year, it just doesn't do much by
way of writing the overspending in government. And I can't

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get over that, in spite of the fact that it's
got some great things in it. Donovan.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Your reaction, Yeah, well, I think you know, none of
this stuff is ever is ever beautiful, despite the naming
of the one big of the bill being one Big
Beautiful Bill. But what I think is important here is
what Speaker Johnson and House Republicans did is they operated
from the premise that this is this is our money,
not Washington's money, right, and so they remained laser focused

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on cementing in one of the largest tax cuts in
American history, right by making permanent those twenty seventeen Trump
tax cuts, something that a lot of folks said may
not even be possible. Maybe at best they can extend
them for five to ten years. Maybe they can do
it if they increase the top marginal rate. But no,
they did it, Brian. They made the Trump tax cuts
permanent through what they've done. Now it goes to the Senate,
and I think what you're seeing from senators like Ron

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Johnson and others right where you've also got a smaller podcast,
a smaller number of folks, right fifty two members to
organize and rally that the conversation is around the deficit
spending right and getting some of that, getting some of
that fiscal note into a better place. And so I
think through this sausage making process, you know, the hope

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would be right we get to an even better product
for those folks who are focused on the deficit in
the spending, which is an important area. But I think
the most important thing we did we've seen happen here, right,
is what the goal was from the beginning of this
year was to make a lot of to make the
Trump tax cuts permanent, follow through on the campaign promises
of even lower taxes that Republicans campaigned on last year

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to earn our votes, and then House accomplish that in
this bill.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, I get all that, and I know it's
a big thing to have the Trump tax cuts made permanent,
because that means some future Congress is going to have
to undo them by raising taxes, which is never a
popular thing to campaign on or run on. But you know,
as long as the deficit keeps increasing, it feeds the
notion that raising taxes on Americans is somehow going to

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stop the excess spending in government and be applied to
lowering the whole we've dug ourselves in. And Donovan, you
and I both know that never ever happens.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well it never ever happens. But I think what we've got,
what we're starting to see here is a bit of
the change in the culture, right, And I think one
of the areas that as we get through this over
the next few weeks and we start looking at what
the next fight is going to be over the next
three years the Trump administration. I think one of the
biggest things folks need to zero in on. One of
the things that the Trump administration and Republicans in Washington,

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as long as they have control, can do to cement
a legacy is to really get at that administrative state,
take that doge idea right, and really supercharge that really
begin to change the way that washing operates. We're not
going to see that deficit debt go away overnight, but
if we can begin to get at some of that
administrative state stuff and really zero in on getting government

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more efficient and operating better, which is going to take
a combination of congressional action and executive courage, we can
then get to in that long run, get to a
better place. And so I think, you know, some of
that is promises made later on. I think Brian Wright
and I'm not eftical to that. And it's why working
in the grassroots organization like AFP, I know we're going

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to be committed to continuing to hold folks feet to
the fire right. We don't see this as something that
gets done. Everybody celebrates the tick or Tate parade, happens,
and we all go back and just wait to see
what happens next. We're our organization right remains committed to
engaging in that space. And so that's where I have
a bit of confidence, right, Brian, even though I'm jaded
all a lot of this stuff, I have a lot
of confidence that, hey, we'll get this done, keep working
on this, and then what we really need to spend

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the next three years, well, now that we've made the
tax cuts permanent, is getting that administrative state, aka the
deep state right under control, rained in and cementing that
in some way so that the next progressive administration to
come through the White House isn't able to undo a
lot of the good work that's being done right now
in Washington.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I know you're always going to remain hard at work
on these issues. It's just a question of, you know,
work AFP does and the desires of AFP consistent with
I think a vast majority of my listening audience and me,
it's hurting the cats in DC and getting them to
do something that, oh my god, it might harm my state. Ergo,
I refuse to cut any program. Let's talk a little
bit more about what's in this particular bill, and what's

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what's going to happen going forward with Donovan and Neil
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Speaker 1 (06:42):
Should I seven forty fifty five KRCD Talk station, don
On a Neil Americans for Prosperity on talking about the
so called big Beautiful Bill. All right, so we got
the permanent tax cuts in there. Some of the other highlights.
I love the work requirement for Medicaid for people who
are capable of working. I mean, no one who is
truly on life's margin, disabled and others are going to

(07:04):
lose Medicaid. And this is a big talking point for
the Democrats. Oh my god, all these people are gonna lose. Well,
if you just work eighty hours a month, which isn't
a big ask, go to school, participate in community service
or something, then you'll be able to keep your Medicaid benefit.
So I don't consider that too much of an ask.
Donald And it also may liberate people from the umbilical

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court of government, because, as I've been harping on, there
are so many trade jobs out there that you can
earn while you learn, and also learn a career level trade.
So use this time to your advantage and don't have
to worry about being on Medicaid anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Donovan, Well, yeah, and actually on that, I agree one
hundred percent on that. I think that's really important policy
and one of the things. I was actually just yesterday
in Columbus with the Associated Builders in Contracts, Yeah, the
merit based construction workers, right, and they were talking about
all the jobs that are available. They had Daveyo's lieutenant
governor and the lieutenant governor them through and Trestle, and

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they were talking about the opportunities out there. And so yeah,
and I think that's part of what we see in
this bill right through those Medicaid work with crorements. What
we're doing is we're saying, hey, you know, government can
be a handout, but not a handout, right, that old adage.
And that's really one of the things right the biggest
driver in state budgets right now, Brian, Right, half of
the Ohio state budget goes to healthcare because of these

(08:25):
federal programs. And when you talk to the lawmakers in Columbus,
while they're doing we're working on different things, trying to
find different waivers. In a particular Representative Ville identified potentially
even six billion plus in waste that may be there
because of a lack of oversight. What we really need
the federal government to do is loosen up its rules
and restrictions so that the states can have more flexibility
to run these programs that are and more efficiently as

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long as we're going to have the requirement to have them.
And so I think that is an important part of
the bill and something they get done in a good way.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, no question about that. The one other thing I
was disappointed in is increasing this salt deduction. I mean,
we're just it's a gift the American taxpayers are shouldering
the burden of high tax states like New York, New Jersey,
and California with the increase in the salt deduction. But
you know, damn it, those Republicans wouldn't vote for the
whole bill unless they got what they wanted, which is

(09:16):
a subsidy for their high tax states.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's a that's an element of
this the y raging caucus that you've got to bring
together right across the country. But I do think, yeah,
as long as we continue to subsidize sault. One of
the one you know, one of the things I said
several times and a lot of folks I think think
the same way is, you know, make these folks pay
their high taxes. They're in blue states like New York
and California. Right that imposed high burden taxes on them.

(09:42):
The only way you change the political culture is by
creating that pain point. That pain point ought to be
You're going to pay your high tax bill until you
elect good conservatives who recognize that that money is not
you know, Sacramentos or New York Cities, it's your money, exactly,
get it in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
But I think that was the original idea behind the
concept of capping it. You know, I mean, they will say, no, Moss,
I cannot afford the outrageous tax bill I'm paying because
I no longer can deduct this these taxes from my
federal income taxes. We need to get people out of office,
we need to have our taxes lowered. So it just
didn't happen, Donovan. That's just it just didn't happen. So

(10:19):
now they got a little more flexibility. Although it is
capped at five hundred thousand dollars annual income, correct, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Think it's a little just a little higher than that,
but yeah, there's something like that. So, you know, the progressives,
the folks who say they're rich don't pay enough. I
guess the retell continue to pay a little more in
these coastal elite states. But yeah, I mean, I think
that gets at a bigger problem though. It's something that
you know, I think we need to continue to beat
the drum on and be consistent. Is that, you know,
the federal that we olfuscate the actual cost of government

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when we have these various deductions and credits and other things,
and the salt I think is one of the ones
that's in the mainstream conversation, and I think even beyond
the passage of this bill, continuing to talk about that
and what that the the distortion that that causes I
think is important. And so you know, but you do
what you got to do to get the votes. I guess, right,
if you're don't envy the speaker and the.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Role that he's in, well, I appreciate that it repealed
some of the Inflation Reduction Act Green New Green New
Deal programs, uh, the credits for electric vehicles, which I'm
not a fan of.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, yeah, and I think you know, one of the
things that you know, we will get you to point to,
and I think in the Senate is an area that
there's still opportunity probably to identify some additional savings and
cost reductions here is in the inflation Reduction Act. Right,
these subsidies, these great Energy New Deal programs that you know,
the Biden administration put in, are you know, harmful and

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costly to the America public. And we're underscored and the
cost they would be by the Congressional Budget Office. We
underestimated the impact of those to the national debt. And
so I think that's an area that you know, was
also up for discussion in the House. Unfortunately, they saw
the light and said, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna end
a lot of these subsidies. Hopefully, you know, whatever's left
over the Senate can can tackle and take care of well.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
And speaking of the Senate, I know Raan Paul came
out in strong opposition to increase in the nation's debt limit.
By what did the final bill have it for a
four trillion dollar increase or is it five? I know
it started out at five.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I think those those the CBO estimates somewhere around
there in there. But I think one thing that's important
right in the CBO estimates is they continually get this wrong.
The CBO gets this wrong right, And so I think
what you really need to be paying attention to. We've
seen more and more members begin to call that out
because the tactic that our opponents utilize very well to

(12:46):
slow roll tax reform, but we use very ineffectively to
stop bills like the Inflation Reduction Act from happening. They
got they underestimated the Inflation Reduction Act by uh I
think they said the CBO said it would the national
or the deficit, sorry, by eighty billion dollars. Ultimately, recent
scoring of it has shown that it's actually increased the

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national deficit by something like three hundred to five hundred
and sixty two billion dollars. And so they get these
numbers wrong a lot. And I think the thing we
want to remain focused on with this bill, right is
it operates from the premise that this is our money
out Washington's. So tax cuts aren't don't contribute to the
national debt. Tax cuts go into our pockets. We invest

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that money in the economy, and Washington sees that money
come back. We hit five trillion dollars in federal revenues
this year, right, five trillion dollars in money the government's
taking out of our pockets and putting into Washington DC.
We don't have a spending problem in Washington. We a,
we don't have a revenue generation problem, we have a
spending problem, and yeah, we need to get that under control.

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And centators like rand Paul pointing that out are an
important part of getting the culture shift happen.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, I presume the next call to action is going
to be pressure on senators. Where do you see this
shaking out? Well, let's just hypothetically say Ran Paul gets
his way and they put in a lot more cuts
to federal spending. They don't raise the nation's debt limit
as much, or perhaps don't raise it at all. They
get rid of the salt increase and take it back

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to ten grand or something, some of the things that
a lot of these senators have advocated for. And it
goes back to the House with those in it. And
then you got the Republicans who are hold out saying no, no,
I'm not getting my way. Does it then collapse? Does
it then collapse? And we we're back to square one?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Donovan, Well, failure isn't an option here from the very beginning.
Failure isn't an option. Right, So the same proverbial gun
that's to the head of the sub of the US Senate,
right that if you fail to get this done, Americans
are going to see a tax increase occur. That exists
even if the Senate is able to accomplish a lot
of those goals, and it goes back to the House,

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right that the House still needs to get that done.
Right because at the end of the day, this is
what I'm making permanent, the Trump tax cuts. And so,
you know, I think through this process, right, it's never beautiful.
You know, even when you're dealing with one big beautiful bill,
it's never beautiful. It never looks good, it's never very comfortable.
But I think what we have is that opportunity to
send it to get an even better product that then

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goes to the House and the members have the same
there's still the same calculus they have today. They have
to get this done or else the American people are
going to see a tax increase. The average American will
see Ohio and I'll see a tax increase of fifteen
hundred dollars per year if Congress fails to act. And
so that's the mission, that's what they've got to get done,
and we'll continue to hold them accountable, feet to the
fire and focused on getting that accomplished. In this bill

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to the President's desk, ideally by the fourth of July.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, my popcorns out and I'm waiting.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
The one thing that's it's rarely brought up, and being
a firearms enthusiast, myself and a lot of my listeners
appreciate the Second Amendment right to keep them bare arms,
the gun suppressors. That it got rid of the two
hundred dollar tacks on the gun suppressor. Has it removed
them completely? Are Are they no longer subject to an
FFL background check and approval from the government.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Ooh, I am not as dotant on that that piece
as you and so care listeners might be. Yeah, yeah,
I just know that they were they that two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
There well a lot of good things in it, not
enough is from my perspective. But then you know, I
just I watch us with this existential threat of overspending,
and no one is willing to, you know, tear the
band aid off and say, you know what, we just
can't continue down this road, and this bill in large part,

(16:36):
continue this down this the same profigate spending mode, and
hopefully the Senate will transform it and the House will
pass whatever the Senate passes, but we've got Donovan and
Neon Americans for Prosperity there to help us push it
along the way. What's the call to action for my
listeners today, Donovan, Well.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Absolutely, we need you to go to protect Prosperity dot com.
Protect Prosperity dot Com. That's been our overarching campaign from
the beginning this year to make the Trump tax huts permanent.
That's what'll remain laser focused on getting done. And always
appreciate your listeners who chip in and help by reaching
out to their senators, their congressman to drive that very
message you're sharing there, Brian, right, that we need a
good product, we need to rent in our debt, we

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need to make the tax huits permanent, and we need
to unleash American opportunity and prosperity once again. And that's
what you do by going to protect Prosperity dot Com.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Protect Prosperity dot com, get on, get over there, help out,
get in touch with your elected officials, and let's get
this job done. Dot van Neil, thanks for all that
you do at Americans for Prosperity. I appreciate hearing from
me every week and look forward to next week with
another report. Always good chatting with you, Brian, have a
great week you too, come up at seven fifty one
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