Auschwitz Not long ago Not far away

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Check in for the latest. They want to make sure
everything's perfect. Fifty five krc the Talk Station Ato six
here thinking about KRCB Talk Station and looking forward to
this conversation since I found out we had this Holocaust
exhibit coming in or that is in town all right
to the since I Museum Center at the Nancy and

(00:22):
David Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center, and I have Elizabeth Pierce,
who happened to be the president and CEO of the
museum Center, along with Jackie Conjado, the CEO the Nancy
and David Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center in studio to
talk about not just the Humanity Center the museum Center
generally speaking, but about this new exhibit, which sounds to
me like it it adds a slightly darker element to

(00:45):
what I came away with, as I don't want to
call it necessarily uplifting, but a positive experience. When I
attended the Holocaust in Humanity Center's exhibit when it was
in its prior location, I expected really to be sad, depressed, overwhelmed,
because you know, anybody has any measure of familiarity with

(01:06):
the Holocaust knows you're not going to go in there
with a grin on your Fhaser come out all smiling
and whistling, but there was a sense of like hope
and some measure of positivity, like the learning experience of
all the death and awful and horrific events, and yet
people came out the other side with these amazing stories
of survival and optimism for the future. Welcome to the studio, ladies.

(01:28):
It's so nice to have you in here. Thank you, Jackie.
You and I've talked about this before, and that's why
I asked you before the show started. Because this new
exhibit features over five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz, and
that's where the whole concept of maybe darker element comes in.
Tell me how this comes across.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's an unprecedented presentation of sort of the facts of
what happened in this place through artifact, through story, and
the presentation at Museum Center is really unparalleled, I think
from anywhere else it's been. This has traveled the world,
and this is the last stop in the United States,
the only stop in the Midwest, and it is it
is an incredibly powerful, moving, emotional experience. And to your

(02:13):
question about you know, how do you leave feeling like
you got to go lay down or do you feel empowered.
That's our job at the Holocaust and Humanity Center is
to make sure that we integrate not only the local
stories in the exhibition, which we've done so you get
an understanding for the resilience, the rebuilding that happened in Cincinnati,
the fact that these survivors, you know, of this horrific
history came through the building where this exhibit now stands

(02:35):
at Union Terminal. But also we have this whole upstander
framework around agency and character strength and the fact that
at any given moment, we can make a choice to
be the best or the worst of humanity, and that's
our agency, that's our choice. So we wrap the whole
thing in this idea that the best could still be
ahead of us if we choose that, and here's how
you can make that choice.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So, and I understand your presentation at the Nancy and
David wolf Wolf Holocaust and Humanity Center is comes across
this display of these artifacts. Your presentation comes across differently
than this display, and the presentation would come across if
it was seen in New York City or someplace else
around the world. You put the spin that you guys

(03:17):
are famous for on this rather potentially disturbing exhibit, and
does it have elements of disturbing in it when you're
looking at it. I mean, let's be frank here, what
are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
But absolutely, I mean, you know, the artifacts are large
concrete posts with barbed wire. They are artifacts that are
specific to human beings, hair brushes, a child's shoe. I mean,
they are incredibly moving that will take you to a
place of like, how did this happen? And that's the
question we want people to be framed with. And then

(03:48):
what is the response I should have going forward? And
how can I learn more? How can I get involved
with the upstand or framework.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it is we say this a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's where global history meets low history because, as Jackie said,
the survivors of Auschwitz came to Cincinnati, they got off
a train and walked through Union Terminal. So to have
the Auschwitz exhibition and the survivor's story told in this
place where the history happened is part of that resilience
and courage message, and it's part you know, the title

(04:20):
is Auschwitz, not long ago, not far away, and we
are trying to make the point that this did not
happen a thousand years ago on a planet far far away.
It happened in our lifetimes and our grandparents' lifetimes, and
it happened in a place that we all come and
go all afternoon.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
And in our humanity and in our humanity.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I'm so glad you made that point, because I just
turned sixty, you know, and there's sort of this milestone
birth and you look back at you know, what happened
between nineteen sixty five when I was born and now
nineteen sixty five, that was only twenty years after we
won the war. I mean, that's just twenty years. Is
nothing I can look back, but twenty years ago, it's
almost as if it happened yesterday. So context. As you

(05:03):
get older, you get to experience this profound context as
a young person, like, oh my god, nineteen forty five
or nineteen thirty eight or whatever that was wherever ago.
That's never going to happen again. No, that's why you
need to study the mistakes of the past. We still
regularly study, and importantly so the horrors of slavery, for example.
We're not going to forget that moment in tom We
don't want it to happen again. I just don't understand

(05:26):
people's reluctance. In some cases the backcrap crazy folks who
even deny that this even happened. Do you have to
struggle with that on a regular basis, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Got to tell you, you come through this exhibition, there's
no denying any of this history. I mean, it is so,
it is so laid bare. And also to the folks
who are deniers, I'm going to quote our incredible survivor,
Henry Finischel, who survived Berg at Belsen, whose father was
killed in Auschwitz. He often says his story was a
lot like Anne Franks, except he survived and Anne perished.

(05:56):
And he says to the deniers, I tell them you're heroes.
The Nazis would roll over in their graves if they
heard you denying the Holocaust. They were so proud of
what they were doing. They'd documented every step. In fact,
many of the perpetrators were brought to justice on their
own evidence. They didn't need any witnesses, any victims, survivors.
They were planning to celebrate forever that they had rid

(06:20):
the world of what they deemed to be right, the
ultimate boogeyman evil, the Jewish people. Of course, all you know,
fake propaganda. But this people don't understand that this didn't
happen because a group of evil people just popped up
out of nowhere in the nineteen thirties in Germany. This
happened because people like you and I, civilized, normal human

(06:44):
beings going about their everyday lives, were convinced to believe misinformation,
bad information, you know, libelists. Propaganda about who Jews were,
allowed them to justify to themselves that they were doing
the right thing, They were doing the right thought, they
were doing the right thing. So this challenges us with
like needing to look in the mirror. Are we doing

(07:05):
the right thing? Are we doing the right thing? Are
we believing the right information? Are we checking what we
read and what we understand?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Are we gut.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Checking our own biases? Or are we just doing what
we're told?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh boy, you are right in my wheelhouse with comments
like that, because of the political divisions we have in
this country and the screaming and the anger and the
vitriol that goes from both sides of the political ledger.
But you know, celebrating the attempted assassination or the outright
assassination of someone and justifying and saying it was right.
You know why because that person's message was bad. I mean,

(07:39):
you know, we have political dissent in this country depends
on where you stand the political ledger, and we welcome
and invite discourse. We have free speech, we have free exercise.
The idea is the great exchange of ideas that maybe
the truth will filter out. But you don't go around
killing people or otherwise using someone else or happen to
be their race as a scapegoat for broader problems. It's

(08:00):
an easy excuse. But it's like people, I think want
to offload their personal responsibility for any problems or want
to find an easy answer to some societally screwed up
problems like economics, whatever. Let's just blame the Jews, let's
just blame the black people, let's just fill in the blank,
let's blame that politician, or let's go after evil orange man.
That's an easy message to people for people to consume.

(08:21):
You mean, it's not my fault. You mean this is
going to be an easy fix. Just killed.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
We don't have to be involved in this right now.
Your point, your word about agency is the important thing.
And I think the survivor story, right the survivors are
the ones who created the Holocaust and Humanity Center because
they said, you're not going to deny this. We were there,
it happened to us. Here's our testimony around this. And
they went on to create lives in this community because
they were resilient and courageous and they said no, not

(08:46):
on my watch.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's that's a great way of some And that's the
best explanation or response or retort that I have heard
with regard to the deniers. No, no, no, they would
be angry at you because you're saying it didn't exist.
This is something they were proud of. I'd never heard
it phrase that way. Yeah, that's a great retort.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, I think, and I think the exhibition in that
way is a mirror. It really is. If you're coming
there to say, I want to feel I want to
be more validated in my thinking about where the boogeyman
is or those evil people over there, those are the
bad guys. This exhibition forces us to look in the
mirror at our responsibility, each one of us, and what

(09:25):
we have to do. Because, as you said, the problems
are not left or right. The problems are around extremism. Yeah,
and how we can stand up for humanity, for shared humanity.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
The exhibit Auschwitz not long Ago, not far away at
the Sinsane Museum Center. We're going to continue the conversation
with Elizabeth tier Pearson, Jackie Kuanjeto after these three words
don't go away.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Fifty five the talk station at Duke Energy Box Station.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
A twenty fifty five PERCD talk station. I am enjoying
the on air and offer discussions with Elizabeth Peters, president's
CEO of this Iname Museum Center Hall of Justice. For
those of you who might might want to remember the
architecture of the building. I was just telling Elizabeth, it's
got to be such a joy, Like I get you
out of bed feeling to get up and know that
you're going to work inside the Cincinnati Museum Center. I mean,

(10:17):
that's just gotta be a cool experience.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, it's the most beautiful building I know, and it's
got all these layers of history and community connections and
people's prom dates and weddings and the whispers of I
Love you across the arches, and then the Superman movie
and the Justice League.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yes, right, well, and you mentioned obviously we're talking about
the Auschwitz, not long ago, not far away museum or
exhibit temporary it is. We're going to details on how
long it's going to be, the tickets and all that
in a minute, five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz working
with the Nancy and David with Holocaust and Humanity Center.
Jackie Conjado CEO is in studio for that as well.

(10:52):
But that they walked through the building, I was reminded
of the survivors actually went through Union Terminal, the local ones.
And I remember as a kid, my grandpa told me
that World War Two, the either departing enlistees or the
returning veterans, if they were traveling through Union Terminal or
departing from a lot of them would take a nap. Well,

(11:16):
they put a tag on their shirt, I need to
catch the whatever number train. You know. He dressed in
his service uniform and people would come over and say,
it's getting time to get on your train. Wake them up.
And I just thought it was kind of a neat thing.
I can't imagine anybody being doing that these days.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Not what you would happen in the airport. But you know,
there was the USO and it was staffed by women
in the community who were Catholic, Christian and Jewish women
who were coming to take care of these guys and
give them cookies and tea and like you know.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Do the wake up call. So incredible history in this building.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just amazing, and I was so blessed to be in
a position to actually go up and walk behind the
iconic clock. That was cool. I have you to thank
for that.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Elizabeth, anytime you want to come back here.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
And Jackie and Jada from the Nancy David with Holocausting
Humanity Center just told me that we should have a
listener launch because Elizabeth that we met reminded me that
really early on we did have a listener lunch at
the museum center. I think that was the time I
was able to do that.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, but you would welcome a listener lunch at the
the Holocaust As Humanity Center.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And possibly for the exhibition that's that's there now. I mean,
the great thing about this experience is, you know, Auschwitz
not long agoing not far away. This unprecedented look at
this place and space and time and the artifacts that
come with it. This will be with us for the
next six months. So we have this opportunity as a
community to really learn from the depths of this history,
and then we the Holocaust and Humanity Center will continue

(12:38):
to be there as a resource into perpetuity. So you know,
we we welcome you back. You know, we'd like for
people to come and see the exhibition, spend your time
in the exhibition, the Auschwitz Exhibition, and then you get
a discounted ticket with your purchase of the Auschwitz Exhibition
ticket to come to HHC, and you can come back
within six months. You can come back because.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
There's so much to consume.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's a lot to consume.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's a lot to consume in one day, and so
you'll probably want to come back. But there's more. There's
there's all these layers of what you can sort of
learn by experiencing both places like we were talking about
the upstand d framework, but also the local survivor stories
and you know this amazing exhibit that you and I
were talking about off air where you can actually interact
with a survivor in real time a questions.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Well, I'm going to let you elaborate in that component
of it. And when we come back from this break,
but or from this upcoming break is a couple minutes away.
But as to the exhibit. It is it the It
is at the Sins Museum Center until.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
April twelfth, for twelve Now we might just tell people
like the end of March, because people need to have
a deadline and they always blow through it.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
So and if they come early, it's sincey with why
museumcenter dot org. Can you get the tickets there for
the museum center from the museum center's website.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
All of it is available right there on the ticketing
page of the museum Center's website.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
All right, Because the Nancy David Wolf Holocaust a Humanity
Center has a.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Separate website, yes, but when you buy your ticket for
Auschwitz for the exhibition on CMC's website there it will
prompt you if you want to add on admission to
the Holocaust in Humanity Center. So it's all in one point.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Both the websites are pointing to the same thing.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Wonderful, you've made it easy for it.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
As long as you got meat covered, we're in great shape.
So through April twelfth, get a ticket in advance, clearly,
or tickets in advance. And again to emphasize the separate
ticket for the for the Humanity Center is a window
of six months perfect. Yeah, all right, and.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
And Brian, it's you know, with Veterans Day coming up,
we have veterans discounts for the Auschwitz exhibition, so three
dollars off and general admission for museum center is free
for veterans from the ninth to the thirteenth next week.
Sore more details on our website.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
All on the website which is again since you with
the y Museum dot org. We'll continue with Elizabeth Pearce
and Jackie Kinjato because we're going to talk a little
bit about what they got going at the Holocaust in
Humanity Center with this artificial intelligence. It is really really wild.
Eight twenty five right now, don't go away, be right back.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
This is SIRC the talk station.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Twenty nine fifty five KCD talk station, thoroughly enjoying these
conversations on and off air. Elizabeth Pierce, she's the President's
CEO of the Sinsame Museum Center, in studio with Jackie
Kenjado from the Nancy and David of Holocaust in Humanity Center.
The temporary exhibit which you really need to go to
is called Auschwitz Not Long Ago, Not Far Away, featuring
over five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz. They have tied

(15:40):
and connected the exhibit to the city of Cincinnati, specially
tailored by the folks from the Holocaust in Humanity Center,
So you get that Holocaust in Humanity Center feel in
spite of the what I will just characterize the slightly
more bleak reality of some of these artifacts. And before
we get to the artificial intelligence amazingness that you have

(16:00):
at the Holocaust in Humanity Center, Jackie, I asked you both,
and you both came up with the same answer. Of
these five hundred items from Auschwitz that you looked at,
I said, which one, if any, had the most profound
influence or your reaction was greatest about it? And you
both identified one item. Let my listeners know what that

(16:20):
one item is among these five hundred.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
So it's a suitcase, and it is not just any suitcase.
It is the suitcase that Werner Copple, who was a
survivor of Auschwitz, who became a Cincinnati and who came
through Union Terminal, who was the first survivor in Cincinnati
to speak up and share his story. So we paved
the way for essentially our organization and our work. Werner
Copple was sort of famous for saying I arrived at
Union Terminal with wife a baby in a suitcase, and

(16:46):
that ended the first part of my life. And that's
so that is the suitcase that's on display back where
sort of that story pivoted in the same space where
that story pivoted. And we were so grateful to have
his son, Steve with us to install artifacts. He's a
board memories that he's just one of our family. And
when you come to see the exhibition, the very first

(17:06):
words you'll hear in the audio tour which guides you through,
are Werner Copples's words, I arrived in this building with
a wife of baby in a suitcase, so right away,
not far away, not far away, this happened right here,
right in our city.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Rather emotional experience, I might imagine.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, it's intact how he was when he came through
first year. You're gonna catch me in a moment where
I don't know exactly he had to guess. I think
he was. He was, you know, mid aged, he had
you know, he had one child, Steve the second hit.
Their second son was born after they came to Cincinnati,
but their older son, Ron was a baby at the time,
and so you know, he was a He was a

(17:42):
man who was just twenties.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, just trying to the reason he didn't live instance
any prior to that. It wasn't like now.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
No, he was in Germany, in Poland.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I want to make that clear, because you had talked
about we were talking about the beauty of the building,
and can you imagine the first time you ever see it,
like anybody, even from local you've never seen the damn building,
get in there and take a look at it. It's
awe inspiring. You had a guy who was locked up
in a concentration camp, probably half starved to death. Survive death,
survive the death march, right, survive the horrific conditions that

(18:12):
preceded going into the camp. Probably lived in a slum,
forced there by the Nazis. I don't know this man's
personal history, but go all the way back to the
World War One and post World War One, the conditions
were pretty damn bleak to begin with, regardless of where
you were. So going from that and I just see
like this, this sort of vision of gray. You know,

(18:37):
the everything's gray. You're looking over the landscape like former
Soviet Union mental visions of gray, bleak, dark, terrible torn up,
blown up to make this journey after living through all
of that, and to walk through that room and just
see that the gold and the murals and man, you
got to think you arrived at paradise.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, and all aspiring for the future. Yeah. And many
of our survivors reflect on the fact that, you know,
they obviously there were the moments of liberation and you know,
displacement afterwards, but really feeling like the first time they
could feel like they had found a place where they
could be they could begin again, was arriving in that
building at Union Terminal, you know, and and having the

(19:20):
opportunity to think again about life. I mean, that's it's
just and this suitcase, this was everything he owned. This
was everything he owned.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
It not a very big suitcase.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, No, it's like less than I would pack for
a weekend in New York. Yeah, but it's it's and
they were lucky to have anything. So many of these
survivors had nothing. They had and their family was gone.
They had no no home, no business, no way to
I mean, no language skills to you know, in terms
of English. Coming here, like these people built a life.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
How did they survive as a nuclear family amid all
that that they the husband, wife, and child were all
able to come together.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So in Werner's story. In the case of Werner, he
survived Alschwitz and the death March before he met his wife.
His wife was a nurse who nursed him back to
health after the war, and they had they had ron
their son and then came here. So, you know, he

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and Steve. You know Steve, if you ask him, like,
how did he survive this, He'll he'll give you kind
of a combination of like, you know, how did anyone survive?
Some people survive, some people didn't. But also Werner had
this determination, he had this drive, he had this persistence,
He had this ability to say, all right, now we rebuild.
Now we rebuild. That's just that's just the task in

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front of us.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
After all that, in and in the face of all
those challenges, the man remained optimistic that he could make
something of his life went on and did so. And
I think about that, I'm in all the wail and
crying and oh my god, my life's so miserable. I
live in a terrible country. Come on, are you kidding me?
A thirty five fifty five cares of the tox station,

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we get to the artificial is he part of the
artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
With Unfortunately Werner passed away before we had implemented this technology,
but we do have two local survivors now you can
talk to.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
And we're going to talk about how you talk with
a couple of local survivors. This is just amazing. Eight
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Speaker 2 (21:24):
The talk station.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
A thirty nine fifty five car CD talk station. Brian
Thomas with Elizabeth Pierce, President CEO of the Sinsame Museum Center,
along with Jackie Kinjaco, the CEO of the Nancy and
David Wolf Holocaust in Humanity Center, focusing primarily this hour
on the exhibit that's being displayed there until April twelve.
Get your tickets. Auschwitz not long Ago, not far away again.
Five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz and it's the biggest

(21:51):
collection of these artifacts outside of Europe. And this is
kind of a traveling event or traveling exhibit that's going
around the world. Happens to be here for several months
and we're blessed to have it here, and of course
with the Center for Holocaust or Holocaust or Humanity Center
putting its spin on it. It's got a different flavor to
it then if you saw it someplace else, and a

(22:12):
positive spin they try to put on it. But let
us get ourselves grounded. And we've got Thanksgiving coming up.
We have a lot to be thankful. Alluding back a
little bit to the screaming and yelling, I just engage
in it over the moment, because we complain here in
America over the most minute things. We get ourselves all
in sense. We love to criticize about how terrible things
are and how unjust things are. And then you look

(22:33):
at what happened world War two, the treatment of the Jews,
the concentration camps, everything that these folks live through, and
everything they had to deal with coming out the other
side through Union terminal to furtherir new life if they
were lucky enough to survive the Holocaust, and having a
positive spin on it, looking at life from a fresh perspective,
and being positive and optimistic about the future. So go

(22:58):
to the exhibit, Yes, what it was like, and then
decide whether or not you think you have something to
complain about.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yes, have some family conversations.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
There is nothing like a visit to this exhibition or
to the Holocaust in Humanity Center to inspire that kind
of gratitude and perspective. We have one artifact in the
center that is a uniform worn by a survivor, Leo Willick,
and it is pretty pretty well preserved. It's because after
he survived Auschwitz, he had it pressed and cleaned and

(23:28):
he would put it. He put it in a box
on the top of his closet and he would put
it on when he was having a bad day and
look in the mirror and remind himself that his worst
days were behind him. So you know, if these people
who survived the absolute worst of human the worst things
human beings can do to each other, can come out
of that and not just write off humanity forever and actually,

(23:49):
to the contrary, build an organization that believes in the
possibility for us to do better, that educates like, what's
our excuse? Why are we not hopeful? Why are we
not feeling like we have any agent?

Speaker 4 (24:00):
See your power?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, I think that's the most inspiring thing you
can imagine.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Bless you well, and that again does a beautiful job
summon up in the experience I had when I saw
the center, because that's how I felt when it came out. Yeah,
you feel better for having seen it right and knowing
these people's experiences. Which takes me over to something I've
been alluding to all morning, This artificial intelligence experience you
can have at the Nancy and David Woolf Holocaust and

(24:24):
Humanity Center. You got this, I mean, this is this
is truly amazing. Just give me an example what my
listeners can do.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, So you can come to HHC anytime. We'll be there.
You know, this special exhibition is there through through April,
but we'll be there all we will be there and
we will be there, So come down and visit, and
you can come and have a conversation in real time
with a survivor. You can ask any question and get
an answer. And basically you stand in front of a
life size video monitor like a screen, a television screen

(24:53):
recording of a survivor. And we actually have two local
survivors whose testimony we've recorded in this format now and
you can ask ask any question and you'll see sort
of the video index for a minute, and you'll get
a response, and the response is remarkably relevant to the
question you asked for this all being real, you mentioned Ai,
the video itself is not fake. The video is absolutely real.

(25:16):
Interviews with these people where we sat down with them
for a week. We asked every single question we could
ever imagine in every single iteration we could imagine someone
asking the question, and then it's all sort of indexed
and edited, and now you can go in and you
can you know, you can ask any question and receive
an answer about the war or about their life in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, okay, that was I was going to gravit you
toward that. So a logical question for me will be like,
tell me or explain a day in the life at Auschwitz,
like for a for a concentration camp prisoner, yep, yep,
And I would get an answer.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
For that yep.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
But I could also ask pivoting over to the Cincinnati part,
you know, are you or are you a Cincinnati Reds fan?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, totally, And they'll talk about the Reds. You can ask,
you know, Al Miller, who's the survivor who's in our
featured in our di t gallery right dimensions and testament
and gallery right now, I can ask him what his
favorite flavor of Greater's ice cream is I'll tell you, well, okay.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Let me test the boundaries of this. If I said
what I just want to know? Of course, you know
you got to be thinking about all kinds of questions
I could ask. But if I was being foolish, could
I ask him what's better Skyline or gold Star?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So if I think he has a response for that,
and let me tell you, you think you can trick him.
There's no one who's going to try harder than a
group of ninth grade you know, high school also come through.
So we we have and he will say, in the case,
you know, we didn't ask him a question that has
some something to do with the you know, with the
with the question you're asking, he'll say, let's get back

(26:45):
to my story. Or he'll say, you know, well, actually
that's a question that they didn't I was I was
never asked before. Have any other questions?

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Have I heard that? Rarely?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Have I heard that? Huh, Yeah, it's pretty amazing. There
is an AI algorithm that learns the more you ask
questions how to better source relevant answers. But the video,
it's really important that the video is not AI. The
video is real recorded interviews with the survivor.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know what, I although I can envision a time
where you know, there's probably out in the artificial intelligence
gathering mode that's out there. Literally every source of information
that has been digitized is being looked at from artificial intelligence. Yep,
that you might have a real time, three dimensional hologram

(27:31):
of this guy and using every available ounce of information.
If you failed to answer him ask him a question
when he was alive, they could scour the globe of
information and come up with a response that he could
actually say to you. They would look like he was
answering that question. I he never answered that question for
him when was alive. But there's a little uh, there's
an article over here that talks about him that said,
you know what, in fact, he was a gold star.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Fan well, and that this is why I always correct
and people say the AI exhibit, because yes, there's an
AI component of how the algorithm source is the right
actual answers.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
But it goes back really important.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's really important that like there is no fabrication, there
is no random sourcing of what we think he might
have answered is a real answers from a real person.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And that's critical credibility. Going back to these idiots happened
right well, they made that up, clearly, they made everything.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Else up exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Eight forty five one more segment with the Auschwitz Not
Long Ago, not far away, far Away museum along with
Elizabeth and Jackie. We'll be back right away, don't go
way fifty five KRC the talk station, Chris k the
talk station, eight fifty fifty five KRCD Talk Station. This

(28:43):
has been such a delightful conversation. Elizabeth Pearson Studio President,
CEO of the Insane Museum Center, and Jackie Kunjato. She
is the CEO of the Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust
and Humanity Center, which is and will continue to be
after the roving exhibit leaves at the Sinsinme Museum Center.
It's beautiful, beautiful space. The Holocausting Humanity Center is truly

(29:05):
an overall uplifting opportunity but fascinating in every right. But
now we've got this addition, a separate exhibit five hundred
international artifacts from Auschwitz at the museum center. Again, the
name of the exhibit is Auschwitz, Not Long Ago, not
far Away. It's there until the twelfth of April. Joel
put all this information up on the blog page fifty
five Caresee dot com, along with the links to the

(29:26):
Museum Center's website and the Holocausting Humanity Center's website. So
what else are we going to see here? So we've
talked about the exhibit, We've talked about some of the
reasons we need to see the exhibit. Those who are
not study the mistakes in the past are destined to
repeat them or end up in a state of denial
that they never even happen. You know, let's just end

(29:49):
that notion you don't believe it happened, show up, improve
it to yourself. But then also this idea that maybe
you can ground us a little bit and we can realize,
you know what, our lives aren't really as dang bad
as we perceive them to be. And I think that's
one of the best things we could probably do this
time of year, as we've fast approached the holidays.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's all about gratitude and perspective. Gratitude
and perspective. I tell myself that if my past one
thing on to my children, it is gratitude, empathy, and resilience.
Those are the three. And I think that this is
like the perfect laboratory for how to help young people,
but adults also get a healthy perspective and you know,

(30:26):
a sense of a sense of gratitude and honestly resilience. Resilience, well,
you know.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And this isn't an effort to go down a political road.
I don't know you're either of you ladies' political affiliation.
I really don't think it matters what I find impossible
to believe Republican Democrat, independent, socialist, communists, whatever. Then an
outright anti Semite, someone who has been critical of Jewish
people generally speaking, and has been involved with and a
member of organizations who river to the sea advocate for

(30:55):
the eradication of Israel generally speaking, and the Jewish people
a law. The final solution that the Nazis I mean
this is, these are people who've adopted a very Adolf
Hitler like approach in terms of their viewpoints of Jewish people.
They view them with disdain. So, yes, it could happen again,

(31:15):
is all. I can observe that there are people in
power who hold these viewpoints right now.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, And I think the best thing we can do
to sort of inoculate ourselves in that way is to
understand what anti Semitism looks like how it shows up,
so that we can recognize it in our world, in ourselves, right,
you know, we don't have to be it's not a
point of shame, but it's it's a point of stereo.
It's like it's like any other stereotype. You just have

(31:43):
to be aware enough of what it looks like so
that when you see it creep up in a conversation
or in your own thoughts, you can identify that and say,
you know, that might seem harmless in the moment, but
that it's that kind of hatred and stereotype. And you know,
false information about a group of people that led to
this atrocity at scale. So you know it's I totally

(32:05):
agree with you, Brian. It's not a left or right issue.
It is an issue at the extremes. It's an issue.
It's an issue when people stop looking for complex solutions
to complex problems and they look for someone to blame.
They're looking for an easy scapegoat. Scientism has been that
you have a century.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
So you have a survivor who has said the Holocaust
did not start with bullets.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes, it started with words.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
That's right, and so understanding what that humanity looks like
and how far these choices are made every day is
so crucial, and it's it's kind of the whole point
of the exercise that we're in the middle of right now.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, I think, I think the power in this history
is that we think about these massive atrocities or frankly
massive movements for progress and justice in our societies as big,
sweeping things that happen out there. The reality is that
the worst things we can think of that have happened
in human history, and the best things they happened one person,

(33:03):
one choice, one moment at a time. They were relatively
mundane people going about their mundane lives, making mundane choices.
So I mean, in my mind, we can see that
as really being or we can see that as as hopeful,
because we all have the Holocaust was not inevitable. It
wasn't inevitable. It happened because people made choices. And we

(33:26):
have the opportunity to choose, choose the good, to choose
to active in character, strength, to choose to see the
strengths and other people, to value difference. And you know,
that's up to us. What's the story they're going to
tell about us?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Brian amen to that. I cannot improve on those closing comments,
Jackie beautifully stated, and thank you very much for encouraging
my listening audience to head on out to the Nancy
and David Wolf Holocausting Humanity Center and Elizabeth Pierce, President
CEO of the Nash of the Sinseeme Museum Center. I'm
jealous of your employment venue, that's for sure, but I'll
be back real soon. I got it. Check this exhibit

(34:00):
out and maybe, just maybe we'll get this figured out
for a listener lunch. That would be really cool. So
I'll put my uh, I'll put Debbie howell Er on
that you'll be getting a call from her at some point,
so that to look forward to fifty five cares dot
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