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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcoming and happy to have her on the program. Isabelle Brown,
an author of a couple of books. This book we're
talking about the Morning the End of the Alphabet, How
gen Z can save America, which sounds very optimistic. It's
a full time live streamer, independent content creator, giving a
voice to Generation Z by breaking down culture's most important
topics to thousands of viewers' real time. She streams and

(00:20):
other content or her streams and other content reach millions
of people around the world daily, so she is an influencer.
Her first book, frontlines, Finding My Voice on an American
college Campus. She's also a regular speaker on high school
and college campuses and activism to organizations worldwide. You saw
her on Newsweek cover and regular appearance on national and
international television and radio. Welcome to the program, Isabelle Brown,

(00:42):
to talk about the End of the Alphabet.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you so much for having me. Excited to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm excited to have you on. So first off, we're
going to figure out what we're talking about when we
say gen Z. Now, I've always felt sight of generation
letter confusion because I'm too young to be a baby
boomer and on the front end of Generation X being
a vintage in nineteen sixty five. So I know where
my perceptions are. I know the era that I grew
up in, and I think, mostly if you sort of

(01:10):
pulled my listening audience, we kind of view the younger
people these days as a bunch of woke, in doctrinated,
gender confused leftists. Now your book suggests we should have
some optimism. What specifically, though, what generation is Generation Z?
What lay or what era are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Isabelle great very important question. Most experts have agreed that
gen Z encompasses a group of about seventy million Americans
born between the years of nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve.
So when you hear the term gen Z, you're looking
at a group of people starting at about twelve or
thirteen years old, up through high school, college, young adult years,

(01:51):
and the oldest of us, like myself, turning twenty seven
and getting married and coming well into adulthood at this
point in time. You're right, there is this perception that
this whole group of people is unilaterally lazy, entitled, woke
socialist cry babies who are desperately trying to bring leftism
into the fold. And American culture. But throughout the last

(02:12):
several years working on my own college campus as an
activist on thousands of other high school and college campuses
across the country, and certainly in the digital space as well,
I anecdotally, at the very least, knew that that wasn't
true and set out to try to prove that narrative
wrong through my new book. What if I were to
tell you that Generation Z actually is proving ourselves to

(02:35):
be the most conservative generation America has seen since World
War II on a cultural and lifestyle basis.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, that would suggest that you are paying attention, You're
being observant. You have studied history, and you've seen the
mistakes of the past and what it's left us with
here with Yes, the dependent, woke, entitled group of people
that exist that seem to dominate the narrative on social media.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Exactly correct, And it's following the same pattern we've seen
throughout really all of human history. Every young group of
people wants to do essentially the same thing, and that
is rebel against the people who came before them. I
think it's funny that we think about punk rock and
countercultural in America within the context of covering your body
in tattoos or getting a whole lot of piercings. But today,

(03:20):
to be punk rock or rebellious or radically countercultural means
to embrace timeless, traditional conservative values. And that's exactly what
Gen Z is doing. In fact, ninety three percent of
our generation still wants to get married in a time
that we have the lowest marriage rate in American history.
We're realizing we don't have to spend two hundred and

(03:41):
fifty thousand dollars on a degree in underwater LGBTQ basket
weaving in order to get a job after college, and
instead we're choosing more meaningful degree programs. Sixty two percent
of us have already started our own businesses. We're putting
our birth control, we're deleting our dating apps, we're moving
out of big cities. You're watching this big, giant pendulum

(04:03):
swing happen culturally, and as we know from the late
great Andrew Breitbart, you can never change politics unless you
first change culture because politics is downstream from culture. So politically,
you're watching that pendulum start to shift as well. And
the younger cohort of Generation Z is overwhelmingly, at least
with young men becoming wildly politically conservative too.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I am so pleased to hear that because that flies
in the face of the narrative, the constant stream, the
narrative you get. And I think it's because the mainstream
media is dominated by leftists, and we also have you know,
you're a very obviously an important social media influencer, but
some of these social media influencers is where well a
lot of people get their information. You know, it's like
one size fits all. If you aren't thinking the way

(04:47):
I'm thinking, then you must be ostracized, you must be docked,
you must be criticized and maligned. And I get the
impression people just crawl in their hole and don't speak out.
No one wants to speak out for fear of getting abuse,
presumably online.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's such an interesting observation. And actually, I see so
much hope and I have so much gratitude for social
media because it really has become the one tool that
Generation Z has two break free of the narrative.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Just the other day on my live stream, we were
reading through the forty five goals of the American Communist
Party from sixty years ago. I had never read these goals,
but these were read into the congressional record in nineteen
sixty three, and essentially, the Communist Party's main goal to
take over America was to take over our institution, the

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entertainment industry, journalism, academia, and certainly politics. That's exactly what's
happened now by twenty twenty four, the least controls the
narrative in every single pillar of American culture and politics alike.
But for the first time ever in human history, you
with a little device that you carry around in your
pocket as a nobody has the opportunity to have substantially

(06:04):
more influence and impact than say the president of the
United States or entire media companies.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, how do you get the message out in the
face of efforts by the larger platforms to suppress your message,
which again flies in the face of this liberal leftist narrative.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Fantastic and important question, and certainly is something our country
needs to be taking a closer look at to protect
freedom of speech in the digital age. But really, I
like this conversation because I think so many people are
wildly frustrated with what's been happening with censorship efforts in
social media. But you can be quite clever in telling

(06:44):
somebody the exact same thing in a bit more of
a creative way, sometimes avoiding certain words or phrases which
we should never.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Have to do.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And that's an important steps forward as a country. But
there is sort of this undertowing message in the conservative
movement that one hundred percent of the time conservatives have
the depth backed against them on social media. The truth is,
I think we use that often as an excuse to
say that we don't have as much reach as the
left on social media, when really we're not showing up

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to the table to even have that cultural conversation to
begin with.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
We need more people like you. They think that way,
they agree with your opinion, Yet if they're silent, they're
not helping spread the message in the news that no,
you are not alone. You know, I have these things
called listener lunches every month, and you know, I feel
quite often with my little old libertarian perspective of life.
You know, I just want to live my life, make
my own decisions, make my own choices in a free society.

(07:39):
That to me is the beautiful thing about America. But
you know, I quite often feel like I'm the only
one out here. I'm the only ones I'm speaking to
myself and I get this reassurance that listener lunches and
when I'm out in the world. No, no, Brian, you're
the one speaking the truth. Thank god, your message is there.
Thank God you were speaking the narrative that flies in
the face of this garbage that gives heap down upon us.

(08:00):
So you know that's is that one of the reasons
you wrote the book is to encourage younger people to
get out there and talk about it.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Absolutely, that's the primary reason I did. You know. I
always like to say, especially when I speak on high
school and college campuses, that courage is contagious, and more
often than not, what happens with writing back against culture
is one person being willing to be courageous in the
face of all of this insane indoctrination. And that often
doesn't look like starting a revolution, but instead posting a

(08:32):
fifteen second video on TikTok or raising your hand in
your college class. As soon as you're willing to do that,
other people always will be as well. So in the book,
I give activism tips to young people on how we
can do that, be it becoming a content creator, yourself,
raising your hand in your college class to tell your
professor that they were wrong. Profice yourself, and you're starting

(08:54):
to see college students and young adults to like really
embrace opportunities to do that every day.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Scratch Liberty's ears for me right now. I heard your
corky bark in the background. My notes revealed that you
too are a dog lover. I'm a huge, huge dogman fan.
So you just said something that I find absolutely amazing.
And of course I think you probably addressed this in
frontlines Finding my voice on an American college campus. I
loved college all right, Like I said Vintage sixty five

(09:20):
from my college ages, what was fall of eighty three
to eighty seven? And then went to law school for
a few years. You could debate, You could have an
alternative viewpoint. One of the great things about it was
the exchange of ideas. A college professor would say one thing,
you raised your hands said, but what about this? How
about this? The Socratic method was in play. I get
the impression that college campuses nothing but sit down, shut up.

(09:43):
Here is the way it is. I am telling you
the truth, and if you say anything to the contrary,
not only will I fail you in the exam, We're
going to ostracize you from campus. Are you telling me
that debate is still alive and well on the college campus.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
It sure is, And that's such a beacon of hope
to hear for so many people because the truth is,
for most young Americans today, we aren't being told that
should be a virtue in our curriculum, especially in higher education,
and badly, students are having to do the job of
university administrations and professors alike by reliving what you guys

(10:18):
experienced on your college campuses, with debate, with meaningful dialogue,
with exchange of ideas. And you're watching student organizations like
Turning Point USA or Students for Life on the pro
life side of things bring speakers to campus, hold seminars,
to debate style events on campus every single day across
the country. And most importantly, there's a hunger for that

(10:41):
within our generation. There's a demand for it.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I do cover that quite substantially in my first book
that I self published about my college experience. But in
our experience at Colorado State University, for example, when we
brought speakers like Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager and Candas
Owens to campus, we regularly were turning out audience says
of a thousand plus people, mostly students, who were desperate

(11:04):
to hear a different idea than what was constantly told
to them in this unilateral opinion.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
In their flatroom.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Isabelle Brown, maybe you have answered the question on why
these leftist college campus leaders and administrators are so desperate
to shut down that message because they know it's resonating
among gen Z and they don't want them to hear
it and don't want to have a vehicle to allow
them to hear it because it does fly in the
face of what they're trying to shove down your collective throats.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Exactly correct. But we are a truth seeking generation, if
nothing else.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
And whether that be through social media activism on our campuses,
I reason just having great conversations about culture and politics
over coffee with a friend. I'm watching that search for meaning,
purpose and truth itself happened every single.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Day within gen Z.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well you have made me feel a lot better today,
Isabelle Brown, author of the End of the Alphabet, How
gen Z Can Save America. Get a copy of that book,
you get a fifeve Casey dot Com. Jos jreker My
Executi Producers put a link to it. Isabelle. I can't
thank you enough for what you're doing and inspiring and
giving me some positive hope for the future. I can
only hope your message spreads and grows and that ultimately

(12:14):
it trumps the leftist narrative which is sending it sending
us down a terrible, terrible path.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Thank you so much for having me, and excited to
continue giving hope to more people for the.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Future of our country.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Jared Nod who has had numerous articles published in the
MENSA bullet and Fellow Mensine and graduate school textbooks as
well subjects rating from the Supreme Court Reform to Arctic Exploration,
Decorated Combat Infustry officer in Vietnam, and the first Cavalry Division.
As we approach Veteran, say God, bless you and thank
you for your service to our country. He also served
as vice president of sales and marketing in his civilian

(12:48):
career marketing director in the home improvement industry. He is
a father of five. Welcome to the program, Jared, it's
great having you on today.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Thank you very much. It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Joke about my MENSA membership and I usually use it
in the context of when I don't know, Jack squat
about something and I say, see, there's the value of
being a MENSA member. Doesn't mean really anything about being
critical of it. But you do have to be a
member to write an article in the MENSA bulletin. Is
that Is that like a prerequisite?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Yeah, they prefer the people to be members. It's not
an absolute rule, but they prefer people who are members.
I like to point out to people that MENSA began
in England many years ago, and in England it's the
upper one percent. The one it was that moved over
to the United States, either accidentally or on purpose, it
was changed to the upper two percent. So American MENSA

(13:40):
has a lot of riff raff in it. Yeah, and
that's how I got in.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, okay, I'm gonna throw myself in the same lot, Jared.
I don't know where I fell on that percentage. I
just knew that I qualified. So anyway, moving over the book,
Tiny Blunder's Big Disasters. You know, as I was reading
the materials on this, and I hadn't saw the Amazon
page for it, I immediately thought of the butterfly effect,
which most people know you know, butterfly flaps his wings
in India, which causes a breeze, which has a chain

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reaction that ends up causing some natural disaster thousands of
miles away. That's kind of what this book is about.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
Exactly, Ryan Tech. I almost named that as the subtitle
for the book, but a lot of people don't know
what the butterfly effect is, so I therefore I did
not use it. But as Professor Lorenz was a mathematician,
very famous in his field politician in I mean the
mathematicians back in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and he's
the one that coined the fray that they started real quickly.

(14:33):
He had this way back then, he had this long number.
It was a number with the decimal and then eighteen
numbers behind it, getting infinitesimally small, and it was taking
so long for the computers of the day to run
that number. So lets somebody's go ahead and whack off
of sixteen six of those numbers that could make it
a point twelve set of point eighteen. It's so small
it won't make a difference when they ran the program,

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and he was amazed what a massive difference it made
in the final outcome. It's somewhat analogous to saying you're
leaving the San Francisco and heading to London and your
compass is off like half a degree or a degree
or something like that. Instead of in the up in London,
you ended up in Madrid or something like that. That's
sort of situation in there. But anyway, and so that

(15:16):
he coined the phrase a butterfly I just said, flapping
its wings in Brazil and set off a chain reaction
that ends up being a cyclone in Texas a year
and a half later.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Every little bit counts reminds me of a discussion I
had with my constitutional law professor a flee urinating in
the Pacific. He looks at it, says, every little bit counts.
It was in the context of the commerce clause. We
don't have to go down that road. Let's I tell
you what I usually kind of end with this question
on books like this, but what's your favorite one? Because
I have a number of illustrations in the notes of

(15:46):
what you know, all the different weird things that have happened.
But of all the thirty nine ones you talk about
in this book, which one stands out to you is
like the most bizarre or your favorite story that's incorporated
in there.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Yes, and let me give you the nutshell versions of
that has to do. If I had not been for
this mistake made by Woodrow Wilson back in nineteen nineteen
at the Versaia Treaty, is a serious chance that China
could be a democracy today. And I mean, I give
you just a brief version of it. Of course, that's

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World War One. All the winners, people on the winter
side were dividing up the spoils. The Chinese had given
one hundred thousand workers to go to France to help
dig the trenches. A Japanese had defeated the Germans on
the Pacific, and there's something called the German Concessions, a
part of China that had been controlled by Germany. Well,
if Japan wanted two things, they wanted to control of

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the German Concessions, and they also wanted a statement of
racial equality to all people of the world. All ethnic
groups will be treated equally under all the laws of
the different nations of the world, which shounds today like
a very simple thing, but for a very sensitive thing
back then. Down in Australia, even today, thinking themselves as
a white island floating in an Asian sea. They did

(17:04):
not want a lot of Asian workers coming in and
lowering the wages. They were opposed to such a statement.
Also in the Western United States, same thing. A lot
of the senators there did not want Asians coming in
lowering the wages of workers. So both of those two
groups were opposed to the statement of racial equality. The
senators Wilson needed batter it to get u a United

(17:25):
Nations bill passed through the Senate, which it failed anyway.
So anyway, he caved in to their pressure and told
the Japanese you cannot have a statement of racial equality,
but as a sop to make up for that, we'll
let you keep the German concessions on mainland China. Well,
that was a point blank violation of Wilson's fourteen points

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that a local determination that people would not have colonies
posed on top of them, they could choose their own
governments freely, of their own will. It was a betrayal
of what he had promised the world. Now that dates
are important, it was announced on May third that the
Japanese is going to be allowed to take over the
German concessions. Of course, the Chinese one of their land back.

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So on May Fourth demonstrations all across China. That was
the beginning of the May fourth Movement, which later became
the Communist It became the Communist movement. Mals tongue took
it over. Here was the kind of the summary of
the whole thing. A Chinese nationalists had said, we had
believed in Woodrow Wilson and the Western democracies, and then

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we decided that they were all great liars. So they
rejected Widow Wilson. They rejected to the Western democracies. Coming
out of Russia at that same time was a new philosophy,
call it communism. The May fourth move became the Communist movement.
Malace Tongue, like I say, took it over, and in
nineteen forty eight he took over all of China. If

(18:49):
Woodow Wilson had not betrayed the Chinese and kept fidels
to us fourteen points, very serious chance that China would
be at democracy today. Imagine how different the world would be.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
That is truly amazing, and that is obviously my reaction illustrates.
That's something I'd never heard of before. You can read
about it in Big Disasters thirty nine Tiny Mistakes that
Changed the World Forever by my guest today, Jared Jared Knox. Hey, Jared, not,
I have to ask you about this when I'm intrigued
by this. A soldier accidentally kicks a helmet off the

(19:23):
top of the wall and causes an empire to collapse.
At what all?

Speaker 7 (19:29):
Yeah, it doesn't seem to make much sense. How is
that possible? It's very interesting. I gave you a nutshell version.
They're also a big war was developing an ancient world
between Cyrus the Great, who was the founder of the
Persian Empire, and also Creases from the expression riches Creases,
who is the leader of the Lydia, either moving more

(19:49):
and more towards war, and then the war began. By
the way, Creases, he wanted to win this big confrontation
against Cyrus the Great, so he sent representatives to the
Oracle of Delphi, and they went and he splashed a
bunch of gold around around to all the people and
in the Delphi area, and that's how he got his
reputation for being so rich. When he wanted to know

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who's going to win this big war, this big battle,
and the ora called Delphi said a great battle will
be fought and a great victory will be won. But
he and he took that to me.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
He was going to win after.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
All this gold had given him. But no, it didn't
quite turn out that way. So anyway, he fighted in
a great, big battle. It's basically a draw. Then Cyrus
puts his men on ships and sails away. Okay, Then
the Persians that were helping Cyrus. Uh, I'm sorry, said Creases.
They leave, but they didn't call him Cyrus the Great

(20:47):
for nothing. After about a week or so, he sails
back and then again engaged in a major battle.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
And then Creases basically loses the battle and pulls his
troops up into the giant fortress up there on Mount Cyrus.
So winter is coming. It's not clear that Cyrus the
Great has enough supplies to support his troops through the winter,
and may have gotten himself into a real box. Uh
So anyway, but here they are laying siege to the fortress,

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and here comes the tiny mistake accidentally kicks his helmet
off the top of the wall. It comes tumbling all
the way down off the mountain side off this giant
fortress and lands at the bottom the soldier gets off
the top of the wall, walks down a secret passageway
down the side of the wall, gets his helmet and
walks all the way back up, climbs all the way

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back up, and Sara's the great Man's seas the super
passageways up the side all So the next night they
send a rating party up that SuPAR passageway, goes over
the top of the wall, goes over there to the gates,
forces the gates open. Cyrus the greats Men are there,
come flooding into the city and they defeat Creasus. Now
it hadn't been for that tiny mistake. Instead of and

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call Cyrus the Great, Cyrus the chump.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So that's hilarious. You know, he was the centurion there,
probably was ordered by his superior in the army to
run down and get his damn helmet, get out and
get that work.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah, where's your damn helmet?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right right, I'm gonna get it.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
I'll get it.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Target, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Go They're gonna put me in the brig up on
in my helmet on and I'll be right back. Awesome.
Some great stories along with his lines. Now I I
always say this, I qualify this by saying I mean
this as a compliment, absolute compliment. Is this one of
the books that would lend itself to being a bathroom book?
In other words, stories that are short enough to read
in a you know, smaller amount of time.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Yes, it's not through the novel. Get read all the
way through the Yeah, find what happen. So this was
really a basic series of short stories. It's great, forty
five short stories. You can just page through it, pick
out the ones they like, and just read about half
the book and enjoy it fully completely. Can do it
that way. You can read it one into the other

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either way.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, fantastic. Like I said, I view that as a positive,
a definite positive. Jared not First off, thanks again for
your service to our country. Thanks for writing this wonderful book.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
Fascinating that we mentioned too. You can you can go
to the website Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters dot com. Tiny Blunders,
Big Disasters dot com. There's two and a half free
pages there, plus the portrait gallery and also the traders
are there, and so it's kind of a funn exvent
and we're running a special this week.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Oh fantastic. Well, my executive producer always makes things easy
for my book authors by putting the link to the
place where people can get the book on my blog page.
So if you can't remember Tiny Blundersbig Disasters dot com,
just remember fifty five kr SE dot com and you
can have a link right there to take you to
the book and the special from Insanity The World's So Crazy.
Thank god for you guys. Fifty five KRS talkstation at

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six on a Friday eve. Brian Thomas here, and I've
been looking forward to this interview all morning. And please
welcome to the Picky five KREC morning show man whose
books you've probably read. Richard Battle, a multi award winning
author of ten books, has been a public speaker on leadership, motivation, faith,
sales and volunteerism for over thirty years, and experience corporate
executive and nonprofit leader who serves on organizations in an

(24:17):
advisory role, and author of the book we're going to
be talking about Day Today, an uplifting book born of
a bit of tragedy too. The Unopen President President, Welcome
to the program. It's a real pleasure to have you
on today, Richard.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Good morning, Brian, thank you so much for having me today.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, I want to read a quote from you, because
it reminded me of something I've said so many times
over the years. You know, I and many people say
I'd never want to go back and have to relive childhood,
because you know, it's difficult growing up. I got bullying
and all that. But I would go back in a
heartbeat if I could take with me what I know
and have learned in my fifty seven years of existence

(24:53):
on this planet, because life would be so damn easy.
That's what you wanted to do for your son when
you wrote him him a very comprehensive letter about life experiences.
Let my listeners know what prompted you to do that,
and then what happened afterwards was led to the book
The Unopen Present.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
Well, thank you. And this letter was written over twenty
years ago, and I was an older, first time father,
and one day, all of a sudden, I was thinking,
what happens if I don't live long enough to teach
my son the important lessons I want him to know
in life? And so I wrote the letter, and I
outlined forty three lessons that I thought were critical for

(25:32):
any young person to learn. A friend of mine asked
me why forty three, and I said, well, that's all
I thought of at the time, and I set the
letter aside because he.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
Was an infant.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
He was six months old at the time, and unfortunately,
three months later he passed away, and I included the
letter as an appendix and a grief book I wrote
about him. But the letter sat for many, many years
until a spark last year.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well, and obviously condolences on the loss of I can't
understand or can't comprehend, and I don't think anybody can
who has been hasn't been through it, the loss of
a child. I understand from psychologist it's one of the
worst things that can happen to anybody emotionally. But what
were you contemplating your own mortality when you wrote this book.
I have never been really that forward thinking to be

(26:21):
thinking about, Gee, what the hell are my children going
to do if I'm not around. They're both adults now.
I got a twenty seven and a twenty nine year old.
They seem to be doing fine. But what was it
about that moment in time when you wrote the book?

Speaker 6 (26:33):
There wrote the letter, Well, that's exactly correct, and I
was blessed being an older parent because I was thinking
about that thing younger parents are so busy focused on
making a living and raising their kids day by day,
yes by week. Very often it's easy. And when I
was younger, before I was a parent, I didn't think

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as long term as I thought later and think now either,
And so that's why I think it's important to share
this and expand upon it at which we did last
year as we wrote this, and the reason that generated
it's a very unique story as well, because I was
told by a friend that this is something you ought

(27:15):
to expand upon and put into a book because it's universal,
it can help everyone.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Fair Enough, I consider myself extremely grounded. I know what
my personal philosophy is politically, I know what I believe in.
I'm firm on it. That allows me to get through
life and engage in sometimes uncomfortable conversations because I'm so
confident in my position. What experience has formed your philosophy
of life, which I believe is well presented here in

(27:42):
the unopen present.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Well, that's a great question. When I wrote it, I
thought I was pretty much a traditional, what I would
call middle of a road American. Today, with some of
the things going on, it may appear much more conservative
than that, but the first lesson that I wrote about
was God exists, have faith, pray and listen, because to me,

(28:06):
that was the bedrock, was having a faith in something
beyond us, and that's the most important grounding and foundation
for anyone's life in my opinion, and.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, I agree with that philosophy. My perception of
a prayer, my view of prayer and I do engage
in prayer, is if you believe, I think, as anybody
who believes in a higher power does, that higher power
knows what you're thinking, knows a lie from the truth.
You can't lie to an all seeing, all knowing higher power,

(28:35):
which forces you during prayer to be introspective. If you're praying,
I really need something in my life, or you know,
I'm struggling with this particular problem. I mean, if you have, like,
for example, a drug problem and that's leading, you can't say, well,
God dealt me a bad hand. No, you have to
look at yourself and be honest with yourself and say,
I know the genesis of it. It's me, and I

(28:57):
need to do something about it to fix it. Introspection.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
That is exactly correct, and everyone in life gets dealt
bad experiences. If you will no one is exempt. The
only question is when and how and how we respond
to it.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, what other messages are in the unopen present? And
who is this? Who did you write the book for?
I suppose it's really written for everyone.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Well, it's written for everyone. I've been overwhelmed with people
that have given copies for gifts, for baby showers, for weddings,
for graduation, for young people who are young adults, if
you will, for young parents, because the life lessons are
based on Western civilization values. The second one I put

(29:43):
in there was love your mother. You will be the
man of the house. She unconditionally loves you and deserves
your love, respect, and attention. And every day when I
would leave with my son and later my daughter, I
would say, take care of your mother. Take care of
your mother, even when they were too young to understand it,
because I wanted to instill the importance of family above

(30:05):
everything else into them at the earliest possible stage.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
What a beautiful thought that is, and consistent with you know,
I guess I could go directly the Ten Commandments. I
believe there's a commandment of thereabout loving and honoring one's
father and mother. It's important stuff that How is the
book presented, how do you communicate your message? Because I
know you are a public speaker on again leadership, motivation,
faith and volunteers and doing this for decades. How's the

(30:32):
book laid out in terms of its message presentation and
how you communicate that message so readers can clearly understand it? Richard,
that is a great question.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
And I write as I speak, very conversationally, very down
to earth, so that anyone can pick it up and
read it. And what I did was I took the
lessons and after the friends suggestion to write the book,
which was a very humbling moment that created that genesis,
I took each lesson and I added context, examples, historical examples,

(31:06):
quotes one scripture to add inspiration. So each one is
a very easy to read five to six hundred words
like a newspaper opinion piece, if you will. Each one's
very easy to read and digest, and they can be
read in any sequence at any time and referred to.
And it's just a very easy thing to pick up

(31:28):
and look at and be able to reference something you
may be thinking about with your children or we've had
a lot of grandparents buy copies and give to their
children to help raise their grandchildren.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh that's wonderful. Well, and when I say this, I
mean it with the highest level of praise and respect.
It sounds like what it could be a good bathroom book,
you know, concise, easy to read and understand points that
you wouldn't have to sit down and go through like
for example reading You know my favorite author, I always say, Dostoyevsky.
It's going to take you a while to get through

(31:58):
one of his novels and you can't just pick it
up and glean something and put it back down again.
Is it that type of book? It sounds like it.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Absolutely. There's forty three lessons, plus the story of writing
the book, and each one, like I say, can be
read in two or three minutes. You can read one
a day, you can read whenever you like. It's just
a couple of minutes per each one of the lessons.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
My guest today, author of the book we're speaking of,
is it's The Unopen Present by Richard Battle again award
winning author of multiple books. Do you speak to and
we are in interesting times? And I think that's a
gross understanding. You probably agree with that. Here in the country,
lots of political divisions lots of divisions, generally speaking your
life in your book The Unopen Present, do you speak

(32:43):
about country and its relationship to us and we are
how we view our country?

Speaker 6 (32:50):
Well, one of the things that closed the letter with.
Originally and again I wrote this letter in nineteen ninety seven,
and to him, I said, God blessed textas God bless
the USA. We are blessed to be able to live
in the greatest area in the world. This country doesn't
owe you anything. Do you want something, be prepared to
earn it.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Man, what a great message, especially in these times when
people just want to turn to government for the answers
to all of their life problems. And that is not
where the answers lie. Now, since it's forty three specific points,
let my listeners know one of the more obscure lessons.
I mean, we can all agree higher power and prayer
and you know, respecting father and mother and the point
you made about country. What is one of the more

(33:29):
obscure points that you found was necessary to write down
in this letter.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Initially, Well, I wrote one just because someone has something
you don't doesn't mean they're rich. And many years ago
I had as a side business. If you will investment
real estate property. And I had a lady who wanted
a screen door put on her duplex so she could
look out and watch her grandson play in the driveway,

(33:52):
and so I put one on. I was very proud
of it. I was a straight commissioned sales guy, scrapping
every dollar for this invest property. And I went back
two weeks later to collect the rent and lo and behold,
the screen door was torn off. And not only did
she not care about me, All she wanted was a

(34:12):
door replaced, and she perceived me to be in a
rich guy because I was a guy that collected the rent.
And even though I tried to explain to her I
was scraping along nickel by nickel, she didn't care. Her
perception was I was rich. And it just illustrated to
me how often we have perceptions about people based on
what we see, and we always need to be careful

(34:34):
about that.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well. And you know, and you wrote this letter at
a time when there wasn't social media, and how much
worse have we come in terms of our perception versus
the reality. When you look at somebody's Facebook life and
you're like, oh my god, how idyllic is that? And
you know, if you know the people who are depicted
that way on Facebook or any other social media platform,
you might know them to be a miserable family who

(34:58):
fights all the time. But Lord Almighty, look at how
wonderful they are, and then you start feeling bad because
you don't have it as good.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Well, there's no doubt that social media has made us
much shallower people. And my father used to describe it
as people that were a mile wide and an inch deep,
and we were seeing had much more today than we
were in the past.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
And my dad always referred to them as empty suits. Fortunately,
up until this past November, I had my father in
my life. I'm blessed to have a great mother and
father who provided me with the greatest gift of life
beyond life, which is education. And I thank them regularly
for that gift. And this is a important component. You
can get educated with the unopened present. And it's a

(35:39):
positive message, Richard, and these times, thank you for writing
a book with a positive message. We certainly need them
these days. And you recommend it again. I guess I
love the idea about grandparents passing along a copy to
new parents. This sounds like the ideal gift.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
Well, it's a book that will help give people ideas
on living a better life. And if you look back
all of the Wendell Holmes Supreme Court Justice said, man's mind,
once extended by a new idea, cannot return to its
previous state. And with any personal growth type item, all
it takes is one idea to be life changing, and

(36:17):
we never know when that one idea can happen or
the source for it. And that's the greatest thrill for
me is when people look at my work and come
back and say that idea helped me change my life.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
That is amazing. Richard Battle, it has been a distinct
pleasure talking with you. I feel uplifted just based on
the conversation, and my listeners were certainly going to get
a copy of your book The Unopened Present, which my
producer has put a link to get on my page
at fifty five kre sea dot com. Make it real
easier for everybody. Just Shy of eight oh six here
at fifty five KRCD talk station. A very happy Friday Eve,

(36:51):
Brian Thomas, please to welcome my next guest, Vincent Vargas.
Vince was born and raised Los Angeles, California for four
years of active didy the United States Army, serving in
three combat deployments with the second Battalion of the Elite
seventy fifth Ranger Regiment. Joined the US Army Reserve, where
he continues serving as a drill sergeant. Back in nine
he became a federal agent with an Apartment of Homeland
Security and served as a medic with a Special Operations Group.

(37:13):
Also a successful entrepreneur and actor, writer, producer, currently starring
on the hitch FX show. Mayans MC motivational speaker. He's
also the father of seven children and author and talking
about his new book Borderline Defending the Home Front, which
is an inside look at the US Mexican border through
the eyes of my friend here, Vince Vargas, former US

(37:35):
Border Patrol Agent, which we're adding to his resume. Evince,
welcome to the program. It's a real pleasure to have
you on. And let me start by thanking you for
your service to our country.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Now, how did you go from from seventy fifth Ranger
Regiment to Border Patrol agent? How did you make that
connection or even I guess, desire to become a border
patrol agent.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, I had a friend that told me about the
borderful career field in depth, something I had no idea
about it, just in passing. I'd see them when I
was going to Roseriedo, Mexico to hang out with friends
or whatever. But eventually, you know, it came down to
wanting to continue to serve my country, but on our
own soil.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Fair enough. Well, I think at least I can sum
up the border from my perspective because I only know
what I read in the papers and what I see.
It seems to be a bit of a catastrophe. Every day,
thousands of people coming across the border. Sometimes they interact
with border security folks who it seems have become processors
to get them into the country, you know, taking note

(38:36):
of who they are, biometrics or whatever they're doing. But
then there's also the hundreds of thousands of so called godaways.
Everybody's concerned about national security. Who are the people that
have come in? Do they mean ill will toward us?
But your focus in the book, as I understand, is
more on the plight of these people rather than the
political battle that they have been used for in Washington,

(38:56):
d C.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Yeah, it's kind of two parts, and you have two
sides of an argument.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
You have the left side of the argument the right
side of the argument, and everyone wants two different things.
You know, you're talking home madsecurity one issue, and then
you have immigration another issue. Both of those have to
be to be answered in this conversation. And right now
currently this subject is so divisive. If I wanted to
write a book to really explain the foundation of what
the border patrol career field does, which most people.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Don't really know, they assume they know.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
And then as well as once you understand what the
border patrol does, you'll have a better understanding of how
the process works. Currently, the process that we have in
place isn't a benefit to the United States, It's it's
a benefit to the to an illegal immigrant who's coming across.
We've almost we've almost incentivized illegal immigration. And so how
do I explain a lot of this in the book

(39:45):
that there's got to be a balance, and right now
we're definitely out of balance.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, do you have a I mean, in your perception,
a solution for it. I keep hearing we need to
change the immigration laws. The answer to the problem is
changing the immigration laws. Well, there are immigration laws on
the books, and here I put myself. I want to
try and put myself in the position of a border
patrol agent. They know what the law is and they're
supposed to enforce the law as border patrol agents, and

(40:10):
yet they're getting conflicting information from the lords and masters
who are sort of using their prosecutorial discretion to ignore
the laws and allow people to come in who aren't
lawfully allowed to come in under the current law. Have
I got that wrong?

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Then's yeah, it's partially wrong. The truth of the matter
goes that the border traders are still doing their job.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
It's after they process them. What is the policy that's
put in place?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
And currently people are getting released into the United States
with a notice to appear, which only three percent actually
returned to a peer. And so it's not a border
patrol issue so much as it's higher up. It's the
disconnect between the policy and what is enforced. Anyone entering
the country illegally is breaking a law still to this day,
and they still have to be processed. But after the

(40:56):
border patrol is done processing them is where the issue lies.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
How are we holding them? Are we detaining them?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And so on and so forth fair enough. Well, while incentivizing,
I mean, I agree with your assessment. We have incentivized
them to come. No one is saying don't come. You're
not gonna be able to come in. If you cross
through a neutral country, you won't be allowed in some
of the rules that are in place. But the misery
by incentivizing them. People go on thousands of miles journey
from the four corners of the world to go up

(41:22):
through Mexico through all this harsh terrain and the drug
cartels and the smugglers, and they face so many challenges
and so much misery along the way. And then it
doesn't necessarily end there. As I understand it, So many
of the younger people are being are victims of human traffickers,
and that the cartels continue to make money off of them.

(41:43):
I guess a concept of like indentured servitude for having
brought them to the border in the first place.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
It's everything that happens down south is a mess. It's
a lot of manipulation happening. It puts a lot of
them at risk, and it's two parts. One the manipulation
by traffic organizations, but the other part is us and
how it's easy to circumvent our current system.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Tell me about this elite search and rescue unit called
Borstar which you volunteer to participate in.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
So, Borchstar and Bortech are the two special operations unit
in the Border Patrol. They're not spoken of publicly too often,
but they they served a great deal down on our
borders and doing the mission. Borchstar specifically provides search, medical,
and trauma services all across the border for not just
illegal immigrants, but for Americans anyone in the borders, from

(42:36):
car accidents to search and rescue situations to any kind
of medical intervention that needs to happen in those borders.
We rescue more lives than most agencies out there will
ever even see. I've done swift water rescues for truckers
who are swept off by by massive water massive you know,
high high water issues.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
And so this is a career feel that no one
really knows all the fine details.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Of well I understand. I mean, I don't want to
draw draw parallels from your service in the Middle East
to the border situation. I'd like to think the border
isn't nearly as bad as combat, but you there have
been gun battles on the border.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yeah, well, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Think there's a misconception of how often that happens. Yeah,
there's definitely, there's definitely, you know, the cartel on the
Mexican side, they're always fighting for control of their area,
But on our side, it doesn't cross over as often
as the media elect to portray or people want to
assume it does happen. There's always a chance when you're
doing law enforcement and you're doing such a dangerous job,

(43:42):
and especially dealing with drugs and smuggling, there's a chance
that there's someone going to be armed, but it's not
as prevalent as the world likes to believe it is.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, that's comforting information. What's the morale like among the
border patrol agents? I imagine my understanding is there's the
concerns about being under funded and understaffed. Obviously the dangers
associated with the job are how are they able to
maintain a decent morale and continue to do their job?

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Then, yeah, that's that's a challenge, right when you have
a system that's that's in place right now that they
demonize the border patrol career field, like everyone in the
media is wanting to say to blame the border patrol.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
They want to say the borderfoal is that fault the
portfol does this.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
That's not easy to do a job day in and
day out, that's selfless, and to be demonized and.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
To be politicized.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
It makes it so hard to do this job and
be proud of it because no one is supporting them.
And that's the big reason why writing this book, I
want to really highlight how important this career field is
for America.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Well, I think among my listening I haven't ever heard
personally people demonize the border patrol agents. I kind of
feel like they've been stuck between a rock and a
hard place, given the well the confusing nature of our
immigration policy. It's I don't think anybody's laying the blame.
It's like laying the blame on the police department for crime.
I don't believe that the out of control border situation
is being bled on the border patrol agents. Perhaps some

(45:02):
on one political perspective or another blame the border prol
agents for even doing their job and protecting the border. Absolutely,
you're right, So if you could have your way. Vince
vince Vargas, author A Borderline defending the home front. If
you could lay hands on what the obvious multitude of
problems are on it, how do we fix the situation?

(45:24):
What would your sort of thumbnail sketch of legislation or
fixes include vents?

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Yeah, you know, this is like a it's not a
one plus one equals two enter. This is like a
recipe for a cake. Right, So there's a lot of
layers here.

Speaker 9 (45:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
One first thing is not incentivize it.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Right.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
We have to make it a challenge to come across illegally.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
You break the law, you have to serve time, you know,
and so you start to create deterrence when people know
they'll go to jail for coming illegally. Now that's obviously
a different conversation for US seeking asylum. There has to
be a better process to really identify if they're seeking asylum,
if they come from a country that can deem it
seeking asylum. But on top of that, you have to
start addressing South America. We have to start addressing the

(46:05):
conversation of the manipulation that happens for trafficking organizations. We
have to teach and educate what's the right way of
doing it, but also those who do it. The right way,
sometimes have to wait twelve years. So maybe we have
to create a streamline process for those who are genuinely
coming here to invest back into our country, who want
to see this country be successful, and so those individuals

(46:26):
should be given the opportunity to have a streamline process.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
There's a lot of layers to this that we have
to address, but we could start there and I think
we'll start seeing changes.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Well in something else that seems to me to have
deteriorated pretty substantially from the prior administration to this one
is our relationship with Mexico. I don't know if that's
because the drug cartels have completed and successfully taken over
Mexican government generally, and they're getting their way because they
make so much money off of trafficking these immigrants through
the country. But Mexico was tended to be cooperating with

(46:56):
Trump and keeping the flow within the country or otherwise
removing the folks that are coming in through the southern
part of Mexico and keeping them in those other countries
that seems to have just disappeared. It now seems like
Mexico's facilitating this.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
You know, it's really tough down there with a lot
of the corruption that does happen, like you've hit it
the nail right in the head. It's like when someone
takes over and wants to put their foot down, will
they be assassinated?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
And so we have to see what's going on down there.
But we still have to manage our own borders, and
currently our policies in place are not helping us.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Fascinating book, Vince Vargus, Let me thank you again for
your service to our country and your ongoing continued service
Borderline Defending the Home Front by my guests today, Vincent Vargas. Vince,
we made it real easy for my listeners get a
copy of your book. My producers put it on my
blog page fifty five cars dot com. Click on the link,
get a copy, learn about the difficult nature of the job,
and have some respect for the border patrol agents. We
got your back, Vince, and I appreciate you know on

(47:52):
the program today and for writing the book about it.
Thank you so much, my pleasure. Eight seventeen fifty five krs.
The talk station ah US lead list as I can
be to welcome my next guest, her named doctor Rachel Arenfeld,
author of the book We're going to be talking about
this morning, the Soros Agenda. Her background is extensive and
I will try to give you enough information on it.
See get an idea where she's coming from. Founder and
president of the New York based American Center for Democracy

(48:14):
and the Economic Warfare Institute. She takes a multi multi
disciplinary approach and looks at all kinds of factors out
in the world that influence US economic warfare, disinformation, free
speech and doctrination, propaganda, PC, coercion, law, fair yeah, the
warfare with the law, corruption, etc. Focusing on identifying patterns

(48:35):
of what seemed to be unrelated domestic and foreign events
as they link to threaten the United States political and
social economic stability. More than fifteen hundred publications, five books,
academic and policy papers She's written us slew of them
and appeared in every major news outlet, including my favorite,
The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, Forbes Newsweek.
I could go on, but let's talk about the Soros Agenda.

(48:58):
Doctor Rachel Hinfeld, Welcome to the fifty Care Morning Show.
It's a real pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 10 (49:03):
Thank you very much, thank you for having me, and
good morning, good morning.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You called it a couple of decades ago, unchallenged, Soros
would change the political landscape of the United States. And
there is no question in my mind. He has billions
of dollars and the sort of an out loud question.
You go back to one of the quotes, and you
quoted Georgesaurus. If I spend enough, I can make it right.
Your book addresses what does he mean by right? Why

(49:31):
is he so interested in undermining the freedoms and liberties
that we enjoy here in America that do not exist
elsewhere in the world.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
Doctor because he wants to create another society. He wants
to change America. He said that. He said that the
main obstacle to a stable and just world order is
the United States. This happened after the Soviet Union included

(50:00):
and Uh. Until then he was preaching for democracy and
for capitalism one that was gone. It was like the democraty.
Right after it was gone, he started to be the
too held actually socialism, I didn't call him that, He
didn't call it. That is in socialism and anti capitalism

(50:27):
and anti anti American propaganda.

Speaker 9 (50:31):
And uh.

Speaker 10 (50:32):
He has his uh philosophy which he which basically comes
down to what he thinks should be a different society
with a different conceptual, conceptual look, with a different manner,
with a different uh world view, with the different uh

(50:54):
different social and social, political and economic uh reah it
is which he actually if we want to summarize what
it is, because.

Speaker 11 (51:06):
It's so such a mumbo jumbo combination of Rwelian Awelian
ideas and language and the new Brave world of Aldo
Saxley and sources on neo Marxist ideas, let's call it
all a stunt.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
I think that would be good.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
He's in favor of a Dystopian or Weellian world where
the top controls everything, our thoughts, our impressions, what we
can read, what we can't read, How we think that that?
How is how in any rational? Maybe it's maybe maybe
he is completely irrational? How is in that in any
way shape of reform stable and just.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
Well stable and just according to his point of view.
Look at look at what is happening now with our well,
our previous justice system, our old justice system. He from
the beginning when he started his activities here, and that's
when I realized what was going on, and I warned

(52:13):
against not challenging him. I suggested to challenge him was
changing the laws. And he didn't go to Congress to
change the laws. He chose the system where he wanted
to change the laws from within the states, within the localities,

(52:35):
not through Congress. And unfortunately it was successful pretty much.
Look at the best example is the drug organization movement,
which he started and funded. There was a little movement before,
but he took it up. He funded it with a
lot of money, created his own organization, and in nineteen

(52:59):
ninety six nineteen ninety five when drug legalizations at the
time so called marijuana legalization started and now everybody in
the United States can then can get doped as much
as they want, right right, So he only duped the
system into approving something that he said where many drugs

(53:23):
are addictive but not marijuana. Well, he knew at the
time that marijuana was addicted, and we certainly have since
then mountains of evidence to show how addictive marijuana is.
Yet each state is doing whatever they can in order
to legalize it because of greed. They have so much money.

(53:47):
There is so much money in the business, legal and illegal.
And this is crazy because marijuana causes not only psychosis,
not only all kinds of mental problems, but also makes
your bodies seek This is the worst enslavement of a
human being, drug addiction, and he succeeded in it, and

(54:07):
he succeeded in changing. At the time when he suggested it,
drug legalization was unthinkable, unacceptable, but he managed to actually
have enough for pa Ganda to get it done and
there are now we see it more moving forward, we
see it how he changed the legal system by getting

(54:30):
das elected, das that don't want to actually apply the law,
that are acting against the non criminals, against the vistims
actually and working with the criminals. So basically what he
has done and he hasn't been doing, is creating cows

(54:51):
in this country, a racial division, gender new genderism, working
to promote abortion, and by the time they will be
if they are very successful with their transgenderism, is there's
no pushback and having abortion laws the federal government will

(55:17):
announce or as Biden is doing it, having executive order
that abortion is allowed. And in between these two, well,
I guess they won't have to worry too much about
abortions because castrated people don't produce too much abortion.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
That's true, that is true. My guest today, doctor Rachel Erinfeld.
We're talking about her book. This Soro's agenda. Well, on
the marijuana legalization, it seems kind of it's an interesting ploy.
I guess many folks believe, you know, why would we
ever criminalize self abuse? And I happen to be among
those folks. For example, alcohol is I would say, equally,

(55:56):
if not a greater problem than marijuana, simply because it's
more prevalent. Its millions of people, liver crhosis, breaks up families.
You know, we could go on and on. We had
a failed experiment when we tried to with through prohibition,
so that didn't work with alcohol.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
With alcohol takes longer to be a trick.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
But I gets okay, and we can make the medical
argument is a difference. My only point is that a
country that embraces freedom can be drawn to this argument that, well,
we should just legalize marijuana. Why are we throwing people
in jail that are, you know, buying and selling marijuana?
That there's a certain freedom appeal to that, a freedom
that he does not believe in yet is using to
advance his agenda. The underlying point, though it sounds like

(56:37):
you're saying, is he knows it's terrible for us. Clearly,
legalization is going to result in more people using marijuana,
so it undermines the stability of the United States. That's
his goal.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
But he knows, but he knows that this is terrible,
and so so all the medical associations that's approved. It's
not the laws that are bad and therefore you shouldn't
use them. It's not the laws. It's because the chemical
effect of the physiological effects of the drugs which you

(57:08):
are taking on your body, right on your system. It
sleaves you old branded slaves your own body. And now
they are actually legalizing all drugs in Oregon, in Washington State,
it's different places. This is crazy. So Heroin and Sentinel
and whatever you want you can take. So we have

(57:30):
more criminalists and we have more homeless people in the streets.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
That's the point though, right, I mean, he knows about
everything you're saying, and he can make all these libertarian
freedom gestures in the name of not criminalizing people. But
your point being, all this evidence suggests the reason he
is after this as an agenda item is because it
does destroy us.

Speaker 10 (57:54):
Yes, but well that's his agenda. The question is why
are we Why are why are governors of states people
who are elected to the states, judges, public thinkers, Uh,
the newspapers. Why why is the medical association? Why is

(58:14):
this allowed? Well, I this was this seems to be
a free country. We should we should have opposed because
there was no pushback. You saw a lot of pro
pro pro pro pro god majuana from marijuana legalization. You
didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Again, going to the research that you do, this multi
multidisciplinary approach that you take, and you look at disinformation,
and you look at indoctrination, you look at all these
different elements and what the net effect is on our culture.
And I understand that the problem that you and I
and others who have a better sense about things have

(58:50):
is getting the message out. The message is quite often there,
and the anti marijuana legalization or the pro police message,
or the freedom message is there. It's just quashed. It's
suppressed by all these forces that he seems to have
his hands in Twitter and Facebook and social media. I mean,
if you can't find out Hunter Biden's laptop is real

(59:12):
when our own federal government knew about it for a
couple of years and the federal government takes steps to
quash that information from getting out to American people. You've
got a real uphill challenge here, and that's something he
is also funding. Is it not?

Speaker 10 (59:26):
Well, Apparently he's behind the Democratic Party. For sure, He's
not the only one. But this is why I owed
the book. I lowed the book The Souce Agenda land
out his agenda, the different planks he had, and also
the strategies that he has been using in order to
implement them. And people who want to stand up need

(59:47):
to know their enemy.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
So amen, you'll read the book.

Speaker 10 (59:52):
We'll see, we'll see how this has been done, and
we'll be able to challenge it and count it.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
There you go, Doctor Rachel aaronfel from behalf of all
my listeners. There on your side. I'm on your side.
The name of the book, the Soros Agenda. We can
all get a copy at fifty five care see dot com.
My producers put your link right there for all to get.
I will recommend people buy it. I will recommend people
share it and spread the news about the Soris Agenda.
Doctor Ehrenfeld, keep up the great work, and thank you

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for bringing this to our attention this morning. Welcome to
the program, Bob Drury. He is the recipient of several
National Journalism Awards, a three time National Magazine Award finalists,
Pulitzer Prize nominee. He's honed his investigated skills writing for
all four New York City newspapers, as well as a
variety of national publications. He went from sports writing to
crime and adventure, travel, foreign correspondent, author and co author

(01:00:41):
or editor of more than ten non fiction books. You
may have read many of them. The book we're talking
about today he wrote, along with Tom Clavin, Throne of
Grace a Mountain Man, an epic adventure in the bloody
Conquest of the American West. Bob Jury, Welcome to the
fifty five cares in morning, So it's real pleasure to
have you on. I was going to ask you because
I've been I've been reading the counts of these Columbia
law students, and they're asking and demanding that the school

(01:01:04):
cancel final exams and give a passing grade to all
students because they have been irrevocably shaken after witnessing police
arrest their fellow protesters. They can't handle the trauma of
seeing someone arrested. Bob, do you think they could manage
the life of Jedediah Smith.

Speaker 12 (01:01:22):
Brian, I don't think I could say, well, I'm an
old timer now, but in my ute, so to speak,
I mean, I was in the edens of the earth Afghanistan, Iraq.
I took some shrapnel in Sarajevo, I got shot in Darfur.
I could not handle the life of Jededia Smith, those

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mountain men. I mean, what they went through, and it
was normal. I mean, whether you're crossing a freezing river,
that is a frozen river that you fall through and
it freezes the legs off your pack mules. The next
corner there might be an Indian attack deserts. You know,

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Smith was the first euro American to cross both the
Escalante and the Mojave Desert, first American to hit California
from the east. So the short answer, I guess that
was a long answer is no, hell no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
But you know what, true folks like Jedediar Smith to
go out into completely uncharted, at least from the mindset
of an early American. I appreciate Native Americans were living
there before we showed up and screaming at the radio
folks out there. Okay, we all get that, but you're
Jededia Smith. You're on the east coast, and you're like,
we got this land purchase that Thomas Jefferson engaged in,

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and so you've got early nineteenth century, all this land
yet to be explored by the American population, and you
go into it not knowing what you're going to face.
That takes either a tremendous amount of stones or an
unbelievable amount of ignorance, because you should have a lot
of fear when you're thinking about doing something like that.
But yet there were guys like this that did it well.

Speaker 12 (01:03:01):
I think in Smith's case he was an anomaly. Most
of these land pirates and reprobates and that became mountain men.
I think they were in it for the money beaver trapping.
At the time that beaver was the most expensive fur
in the world, and you could make a lot of
money up in the mountains. But Smith, when he was
a kid, a doctor, a local doctor had given him

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the journals of Lewis and Clark, and he was about
twelve or thirteen, and he decided he wanted to follow
in their footsteps. They were his idols.

Speaker 13 (01:03:31):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:03:31):
If he was going to make a little money along
the way, fine, And so he made his way to
Saint Louis, which of course was in the westernmost part
of the United States, Missouri, the westernmost state, and signed
up for one of the first fur trapping operations to
go up into the Rockies and beyond. And as I said,
there was an economic factor there. You could make a
lot of money, and he did. But I think in

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Smith's case, he wanted He didn't want fame. He wasn't
a crocket or a boon. He wanted adventure and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
He sure found it.

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
I mean twice he made it to the West coast,
whereas Lewis and Clark only did it once. He was
I was kind of gratified. We got a review yesterday
in the Los Angeles Times that Jedediah Smith is our
most unheard of and perhaps most important nineteenth century explorer.
And when Tom and I decided to kind of settle

(01:04:24):
on him as our guide through this era. We consider
Throne of Grace a biography of the era as opposed
to a biography of Jed Smith. But we needed a guide,
someone to take us through it, and Smith Zelig like
just happened to be everywhere where something was happening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, how did the where do you get the name
Throne of Grace.

Speaker 12 (01:04:43):
It's from the Bible. See once again anomaly. All these
whiskey swilling, cigars smoking, they all these mountain men, they
all womaned up, as they called it, with a quote
unquote Indian wife. But Smith was from this hard Puritan stock.
And there was a wonderful quote from one of his contemporaries,

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considered the mountaintop his altar, and the forest glade is
confessional and so late when he was writing letters back
to his brother, back to his father, and at one
point he said, oh, I miss home so much. It's
been five years since I was in Saint Louis. I
longed to be in the Christian community. I longed to

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be in the almighties throne of Grace. And as soon
as I read that one of his letters, I said, Tom,
there's our title.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Oh yeah, I mean perfect you never you never know.

Speaker 12 (01:05:36):
I mean the Daniel Boone book. We wrote Blood and Treasure,
almost the same thing. Late in life. Daniel Boone was
giving an interview to this. I'm not sure if it
was a magazine writer, a dime store novelist, and he said,
I've given so much blood and treasure because he had
lost three children. I've given so much blood and treasure
to this country, and Tom and I just said, there's

(01:05:57):
our title, blood treasure. It was the same thing Throne
of Grace. I think it's Hebrews for sixteen. I'm not
that much of a religious man, but I knew I
was going to get this question, and Throne of Grace
just it summed up what he was all about and
basically what the country he was discovering was all about.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Well, considering the moment in time you were in and
you talk about you know, they maybe money was a factor.
They obviously the fur trading was lucrative. How in the
name of hell were they able to get their wares
back to say Saint Louis from far of the far
reaches of the West. I mean, we're not talking about,
you know, railroad here, We're talking about at best horseback

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or mule. So how is it even possible to make
money in any given trade that would require you being
so far away from shall we say civilization?

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Well there was an old mountain man saying I'd rather
float my goods than carry them, So you're right. Pack trains,
mule trains sometimes did it. But for the most part
these guys stuck to the rivers up the Missouri and
then down it's many tributaries, the Tongue, the Muscleshell, the Judith,
and they would carve out their own parogies and flatboats.

(01:07:07):
Flatboats would be pulled or pulled up to Missouri. They
were all equipped with the sail, but as you know,
the Missouri is such a winding river, sails on a
boat basically did nothing for you. Yeah, and these giant
flatboats would just be lugged thousands of miles up into
the mountains and parked, and then they carve their perogies.

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They'd go up and down. Luckily, beaver is an aquatic animal,
so they didn't have to go too far from the
water to trap these beaver and up and down until
until now, Tom and I were loath you mentioned it before.
We're loath to use the word discover in our books.
Daniel Boone no more discovered the Cumberland Gap than Jed

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Smith discovered South Past and Southeast Wyoming. But he was
the first American to kind of stumble through south past
this chink in the Rocky Mountain. It's about eighteen miles wide,
and although it's at elevation, it's at eight or nine
thousand feet. It's rather gentle. And that was the beginning
of the Oregon Trail. You could get wagons through South Pass.

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You no longer had to take a pack train, as
Lewis and Clark did through one of these snowbound thin
had a chink. Now you've got Now you've got wide
open mountains. So they basically went from flatboats and canoes
to wagons.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And this was all pre PATAGONI yeah, right, I just
cannot imagine having to deal with the elements, let alone
and before we part company. And this is an absolutely
fascinating books. I know my listener are going to want
to get a copy of Thrown a Gray, So you
can did that at fifty five care Sea dot com, Bob,
So it made it real easy for him to get
a copy. The idea again going back to the Native

(01:08:48):
American population, had we'd gotten out in the west, to
the native tribes in the West, that these new settlers,
these explorers, these folks that were you know, the sphere
of manifest destiny as you write, represented some sort of
existential threat to them? Were they a threat to guys
like Jedediah Smith?

Speaker 12 (01:09:06):
Oh, of course, of course, the Harry white men. Who
are these harry white men invading our territory? I mean,
as we both know, long before any Europeans set foot
on North America's fatal shores, these tribes had kind of
staked out their own territories. And whether it was the
Sioux and the Arikara along Missouri corridor, or the Cheyenne

(01:09:29):
or Rapaho on the plains, or the Crow in the mountains,
the black Feet in the mountains. And at first when
Lewis and Clark was a perfect example, they were treated
well by the Indians. Now the Indians robbed from them,
but that's what Indians did in those days. The Crow
used to brag, we don't kill the white men because
we'll steal your horses, and if we kill you all,

(01:09:50):
you won't come back with more horses for us. But
the other tribes were not so accommodating. In fact, the
very first Indian war was the Mississippi that involved the
United States soldiers took place on the Missouri with the
Eric Carrott tribe and Smith once again Zelig like he
and his trapping crew happened to be there. They're the

(01:10:11):
ones who's fired.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
The first shots.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
The book is just going to be fabulous. Readthrown of
Grace Mountain Man Epic Adventure in the Bloody Conquest of
the American West by my guests today, Bob Drury along
with Tom Clave and Canniber Look Tom's complished or a
contribute contribution to the book. Fascinating discussion. I really appreciate
you joining the Morning show, Bob. I know my listener
is going to want to get a copy of this
and read up on it and appreciate the fact that

(01:10:34):
we had men like this who are willing to put
some sacrifice out in the name of just checking it
out and being the first to do it. Lord knows
we can't. We could use more people like Jedediah Smith
on the world. And thank you parenthetically but very importantly
for your service to our country. I truly appreciate that
as well. Hi, Henry Armstrong, this is Brian Thomas from
the fifty five Casey Morning Show. I just want to
let you know what a distinct pleasure it is to

(01:10:55):
have you on my program to talk about Well, let
me start by sincerely on behalf of my listening audience,
myself and my producer and everyone here at fifty five ksee.
Thank you for your service to our country ninety nine
years young you are, and you were there. You saw
it as we come, I asked, approached the eightieth anniversary
of the D Day invasion of France. You were part

(01:11:17):
of that invasion, sir, and that in and of itself
is in an extraordinariyly accomplishment. And I'm thankful that you're
on the program to talk to my listeners all about that.
And I understand you're going to be going to Normandy
to attend the eightieth anniversary. I don't know if I
want to call it celebration, but at least commemoration ceremony.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 13 (01:11:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm leaving. I'm leaving next week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Oh that's fantastic. I wish you the safest of travels.
It's going to be a real But have you been
back since you landed on I guess it was D
Day number two? You landed on the beaches on the
eighth correct, Omaha, yeah, omaha beach now key, have you
been back since?

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:11:57):
I haven't. I have sat on a side of a
hill up at Lake Erie here a few years back,
and there was a young lady sitting next to me,
and we got acquainted. Her name is Marie, and I
found out she is a French official. I don't know
what her job is for the French government, but she
got to talking to me and she asked me if
i'd ever been back over there, and I said no,

(01:12:19):
but I would.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Like to go.

Speaker 13 (01:12:20):
She says, well, you're going, and she's sory she put it.
She says, you're going. And I started to feel she's
a little bit instrumental in with me going over next week.
And her name is Marie. What her last name isn't
I don't know. And I call her Frenchie. That's great,

(01:12:41):
and she says, well, Henry, you're the only one I'm
going to let call me frenchie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Oh, that's wonderful. Well, Henry, you know, it's just so
neat to have the opportunity to speak with you. You're
flying there with seventy World War two veterans from around
the country.

Speaker 13 (01:12:54):
Is that well, now, that's the first time I heard
that many.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I got some notes here and that's what it says.
That's going to be. It's gonna be really while to
be able to talk to those fellow veterans and share
your experience I'm hoping.

Speaker 13 (01:13:04):
I'm hoping that some of them are some that I
served with the night that I know. I have no idea,
but I'm hoping, well, can I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Okay, you mentioned the beach because that was one of
the questions I wanted to ask you. Had you thaught Omaha, Juno, Gold,
and I believe Sword were the multiple beaches least the
code names for them. Omaha was mine, Omaha was yours,
and that was one of the bloodier conflicts, if I
recall correctly my World War II history? What was it
like on day two when you landed.

Speaker 13 (01:13:32):
I had my first kill there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Oh my yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:13:37):
I was part of the seven man team and we
were sleeping on the beach that night under a tree,
trying to get some sleep, and Michelle went all over
our head and it lit it up like daylight, and
we woke up and stand there looking at us. We
thought was a German soldier with his rifle pointed right

(01:13:57):
at us, and one of a shot and killed that
tree that night. It was a tree branch. But being
scared to death, kids, our imagination went wild.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Well it's kids, yeah, but any human being in that
position would have had the life scared out of them.
This is what we call badassory, Henry Armstrong. But yeah,
i'd shoot a tree. I'd probably shoot it a shadow.
And how could anyone get any sleep under those circumstances?
How do you accomplish it?

Speaker 13 (01:14:26):
You try, You just try, and you don't get what
you would call normal sleep. It's dozing sleep. I think
you you doze off and the least little sound will
wake you up, and then you go back to sleep
and the sound will wake you up again. So I
don't know that anytime over there that I would be

(01:14:47):
able to say that I went to bed at night
and slept a full night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Oh so how long did it take you to make
it off the beach and move? I guess it's south
is the direction of head?

Speaker 13 (01:14:58):
Well, we moved really the next day, because you weren't
on the beach very long. And we moved the next
day and start moving out of there. I have a
young fellow at church, and he got me a picture
of the beach, and the beach is exactly what it says,
it's a beach. There's nothing there but earth the beach.

(01:15:21):
And then he got me a picture of the same
area today and there's one hundred somewhat homes that have
been constructed on that area. On that beach area, there
is now a military cemetery, there's a military memorial, and
it's really bit up. It's an attractive area right now.

(01:15:43):
And I've got pictures of both.

Speaker 9 (01:15:45):
Then and now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Oh wow, that's got to be a little bit heartbreaking
to see how much development has shown up since those days.
But that's what they call progress in many circles.

Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
Yeah, I guess you're you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yeah, so you you get off the beach rather quickly.
How bad and intense was the fighting as you proceeded
south over the next course of days, weeks, months, I
guess I need to know that as well.

Speaker 7 (01:16:09):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:16:10):
It varied, Let's say, let's put it that way.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
It varied.

Speaker 13 (01:16:15):
It all depends on what you came across. If you
came across a German division, then fighting was pretty furious.
But if you came across just a small we're trying
to say, a group of Germans patrol, it wasn't bad. Yeah,
I could patrol or something like that. It wasn't that bad, really,

(01:16:35):
But it all depended on what you were finding along
the way, And it was surprising the number of things
that we found along the way that we didn't particularly
care about it, and one of those was after we
left France, we went on over to Paris and we
were supposed to take Paris my division, and we were

(01:17:00):
on the outskirts about ready to do it because the
Germans still occupied Paris at that time, and then we
were told to stop that they wanted General de Gaulle
to take Paris.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:17:10):
General de Gaulle being the French general, it's logical that
he take his own country, you know. So we moved
and we let General degaul do it. We moved north
of Paris to a town called Bichet, and it was
occupied no where was the American division and was fighting
at the battle for a while. But anyway, we relieved

(01:17:31):
them and took the town of Bichet the next day,
and we changed the name. The name of the town
was called in French Bichet, and it is spelled b
I T C h E.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
I can understand why, yes, I do, And that provides
a perfect springboard for a question I wanted to ask you,
because you know, I've seen a lot of you know,
Hollywood movies on World War Two, the D Day Invasion,
of the like and other various conflicts within the war.
Because obviously raged on for years. What was the reception
by the locals when let's say you entered Bochet and

(01:18:08):
liberated the town.

Speaker 13 (01:18:10):
Well, the French, the reception was always great. It was
just fantastic. And in Germany it was a lot different.
But in France, as we would progress where we were going,
uh into these French countries or French towns, let's say,
and uh and get rid of the Germans there, the

(01:18:30):
French were just I can't say, just how polite and
how nice they were, because they were eager to see
you and eager, you know, to be relieved of that
German thing. Because Germans I just had the hardest problem
in the world with why an adult person, I don't
care uniform or not, would treat other humans the way

(01:18:54):
they did, like the concentration camps for instance.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:18:58):
The one story that really irritated me more than anything
else over there was when we went through a small
a small village and in the village we found a
box car on the railhead, and outside the box car
were just huge piles of rags and we couldn't figure
out why so many rags until we got there and

(01:19:21):
we found that the rags contained the bodies of women
and children and little babies, and they had all been executed.
They were all shot. And we found out later on
that they were Jewish, of course, but you figure, you know,
I love children, I have a lot of my own.

(01:19:41):
But to realize that a grown person would have the
nerve to shoot a baby in arms, Why what is
that baby done to this world? Nothing, It's still a baby.
But they did, and there were several babies that had
bullet holes in them. And we there because and we

(01:20:02):
were really irritated then. But we went on down the
road and we came across a concentration camp called Gunskirk
and Lager and the Germans were still occupying that camp,
and we, I guess got rid of about twenty five
or thirty SS troopers in that camp because of what

(01:20:22):
we had seen down the road. And when I say
got rid of, I mean we got rid of. And
we opened up the camp to one hundred and some
odd inmates, and a lot of the inmates there were
families of the ones we'd found on the road. Oh my,
and the way they treated them. They gave them one

(01:20:43):
cup of beef broth a day. That's the only food
they got. And then if any of them died, and
a lot of them did, because they were all skin
and bones, if any of them died, instead of taking
them out and putting them in a bear ground somewhere,
they just take them out in the woods and put
them on the ground even later. And that's the way

(01:21:04):
they treat them. And I said, that's the reason I
got so irritated more than anything else, is the way
they treated another human being.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yeah, and you know, you'd think that we'd have learned
something by then, but then you know, October seventh of
last year occurs, and it seems to me the same
type of thing goes on and.

Speaker 13 (01:21:20):
Human it goes on and on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yeah, it really is truly a shame, uh Now, in
terms of your recollections of the war. And I had
the pleasure to talk with another World War Two veteran
who actually was a prisoner of war in Stalog Low three,
which is the subject matter of The Great Escape, which
is a movie we all understand and know about, and

(01:21:42):
he had he commented on that. He said, well, with
the exception of Steve McQueen and his motorcycle antics. That
movie pretty much was dead on accurate about you know,
what they did and how they escape. Is there any
particular movie that you could say, Yeah, this pretty much
sums up the Invasion of Normandy. It's kind of act
curate that we could look at and kind of get
a feel for what it was truly like. Or has

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anybody done that yet to meet your level of expectations
having been there.

Speaker 13 (01:22:09):
I'll put it this way. I've seen probably most of
those movies, and I look at it this way. For
them to make a movie the way they did, they
had to have a lot of facts about it. And
I'm going to say that most of the movies that
I saw were pretty realistic.

Speaker 12 (01:22:29):
But I.

Speaker 13 (01:22:32):
Am not going to put it I wasn't involved in
a lot of that stuff that they showed. They wanted
to show all the extreme things. I think, yeah, and
I wasn't involved in.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:22:48):
I had a few extreme things, but nothing that I
would say would make a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Fair enough well to thank god you're still here to
talk about it. I understand you had an encounter at
some point with a General Patten at the Rhyane River.

Speaker 13 (01:23:05):
You heard that I met General Patten as far as
I'm concerned, as far as far as most of the
gis over there are concerned about him. Was the best
general we had during World War Two. And the reason
I say that is General Patten was what we called

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a general. He was a leader of troops.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
And he was.

Speaker 13 (01:23:31):
Not only a leader, he respected the troops. You had
a lot of generals that really didn't respect the people
that served Dunham. But you had a lot of generals
that went instead of being up with their troops, they
were back behind a desk, directing everything over a telephone
or over a radio, where Patten didn't do Thatten he

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was a leader. And I met him at the Battle
of the Ryan River. And when the battle was over,
he came down to the river, sit out on the
barge and gave a little speech of how proud he
was of the man that served under him. And no
other general ever did that that I know of, anyway.
And when he got through, he says, I got to
leave my mark in the river, and he did.

Speaker 7 (01:24:15):
How about that?

Speaker 13 (01:24:17):
And he went out on the barge and zip his
pants and he put in the river. And I've got
that picture.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Oh no, we should have that out. I'm sorry that
that should have been on the cover of Time magazine. Henry.

Speaker 13 (01:24:35):
It probably was, because that's been noted in a lot
of history things. It's a popular thing. I didn't take
the picture. Somebody else took the picture.

Speaker 10 (01:24:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Well, after serving the Army forty one years, reached the
rank of what commands sergeant major. Have I got that
part right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:24:51):
That's there's only one rank in the Army enlisted rank
that's higher than that, and he's a sergeant major of
the Army. But I was when they came out with
a sergeant major rank, which was after the war. Really,
I was on the first order to get it. And
then they progress from sergeant major to command sergeant major

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and sergeant major of the Army. That's the way they went.
They're all equal ranks, but there's only one that outranks me,
and that's a sergeant major of the Army.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Well, you rank really high in the hearts and minds
of my listeners. This conversation has been absolutely fantastic. Henry
Armstrong ninety nine years on his way to attend the
eightieth D Day Anniversary ceremony at Normandy leaven next week.
We wish you the best of safe travels. I hope
you have an opportunity to enjoy yourself. I'm sure it's
going to be a sort of a melancholy moment reflecting

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on what you'd experienced when you were there.

Speaker 14 (01:25:48):
Oh, oh, it will be.

Speaker 13 (01:25:50):
If I may, I want to share a story I'm
very fond of.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Please do.

Speaker 13 (01:25:56):
When I was wounded. I had a little bullet my wrist.
But I was in the hospital for two weeks and
my nurse that came in took care of me. American nurses,
you can't beat them, They're fantastic. He came in one
day and she's got this little boy with her. He's
about seven eight years old, and she says, I want

(01:26:19):
you to meet my rose boy. And she pulled his
jacket up and on his chest and his stomach in
the pink scar tissue is a full bloom rose. And
she said him and his buddies had found an American
hand grenade and they were throwing it back and forth
like a ball. They had no idea what it was,

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and it went off and most of his buddies were killed,
and he caught a lot of shrapnel in his stomach
and chest. And an American doctor got a hold of
him and was able to save his life and fix
him up. And she was in the process she found
out that he was an orphan boy. And this American
nurse now was in the process of adopting this little boy,

(01:27:04):
and she's taken him home with her. Oh, and I said,
that was such a fantastic story. I can't I never
forget telling about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Well, I'm glad you do, because it's little stories like
that that illustrate you know this, there were heroes and
and and you know, fighters like you, people who did
the did the heavy work and fought bullets and dodged death.
And then there's the behind the scenes stories like that
that no one ever hears about, but just illustrate that,
you know, just sort of the highlights of again humanity contrasting,

(01:27:34):
you know, the way we are and how we act
and how we treat people versus how the Germans treated
those poor Jewish folks.

Speaker 13 (01:27:41):
Oh gosh, you just don't understand how an adult person
can be.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
That mean, no, you don't, Henry Armstrong.

Speaker 13 (01:27:52):
I have a lady here at the home that she
first time I saw her. She's a little lady in
a wheelchair, and she come up to me and she
had to give me a big good everything. You saved
my life, I did. And I found out that she's Jewish,
and she is. She's American born and lives here at

(01:28:12):
the Center with me now. But she because she's Jewish,
she says, I saved her life. So and I can't
see her when I get in a hug from her.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Oh that's great. I keep saying it all the time. Obviously,
you quite the ladies, man, Henry Armstrong. I love here
all now. Well, you know, and it's real quick here
since you literally were involved in liberating one of the
concentration camps. I mean, you have a few words for
people out there in the world who deny that that
actually happened, that the Holocaust did not happen. I mean

(01:28:44):
I hear those words from people and I just I
am just appalled at their ignorance.

Speaker 13 (01:28:49):
Well, I look at it this way that what you
had the word right there, ignorance is it's probably not
ignorance as much as it is. I don't want to
hear something like that, no, they didn't do it, because
I said they didn't do it. And that's what's going
on really is people are so ashamed of what their
ancestries did that. They don't want to admit that they

(01:29:13):
did it, And I said, you have to be there
and go through it to realize that what they're saying
is the truth. And if you stop and realize, today
is still going on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Literally still going on even as we speak, Henry Armstrong,
And it has been a distinct pleasure having on the
fifty five Case Morning Show. I wish you's safest travels.
As I mentioned, as you attend the eightieth d Day anniversary,
and you know what, you have a welcome spot here
on the fifty five Carssy Morning Show to give us
an account of your experience there when you come back.

Speaker 13 (01:29:41):
All right, I appreciate that well, I hope thank you
for the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Interview bringing back hometown hero Bob Dolan, who is celebrating
his one hundred and four birthday this coming weekend March
twenty first, and who proudly served his country in World
War Two and also knows everything that went on at

(01:30:08):
stalog Loft three, which is that movie Steve McQueen was
in Great Escape and I had the pleasure of meeting
and having lunch with Bob Doolan a year or two
ago thanks to Steve Murray, who also is a veteran.
Steve entered America's military because of Bob Doolan. Bob Doolan, welcome.
It's a great pleasure to have you on the fifty

(01:30:30):
five KRC Morning Show.

Speaker 9 (01:30:31):
Sir, good morning, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
And I know Steve Murray, you influenced that man's life
tremendously because of you. He joined America's military and he
proudly served until retirement, so he was career military and
he always gave you credit for influencing him in a
positive way. Bob, And I know you influenced a lot
of young men. You were a scout master back in
the day, right, yes, And that's after you, that's all.

(01:30:55):
That's after you served your country, of course, in World
War two. So let us thank you for your service
to our country. And let's find out what year did
you enlist in the military, Bob.

Speaker 9 (01:31:07):
August nineteen forty.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
One, So you heated the call? Is that the World
War two? Or that was before fly you wanted to fly?
Was before? That was before the bombing of Pearl Harbor,
wasn't it?

Speaker 14 (01:31:22):
It was before?

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
How about that? That's right? Because that was December seventh,
nineteen forty one. Yeah, yeah, you were already in that bet.
That came as a shock to you, Bob.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
Yes, it was editor. I was home on that weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Oh you're on leave.

Speaker 9 (01:31:42):
Well, I had gone to pilot school and I wasn't
good enough to go beyond shingle engine, so they shent
me home until I was going to go back to
navigation school and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
You ended up. You ended up as a navigator on
a B seventeen. Right now, how many missions did you
go on until Well, sadly you were shot down because
you ended up in Staloch three. We all know that.

Speaker 9 (01:32:09):
Because it's thirteen missions.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
So you're telling me the lucky number thirteen is the
mission you were on when you got shot down.

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
At that time, we had to do twenty five and
we could go home, and you're ready for the Pacific.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Wow? Where were you flying over when you were shot.

Speaker 9 (01:32:26):
Down, sir cousin Kirktain in the ruh Rallies northeast of
the Rhine?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Okay? And were you immediately captured when you're plane landed
or crashed or what happened?

Speaker 9 (01:32:38):
I told the other manner with me, shout is that
way get out of here? The Germans will be hearing
five minutes and I did mid contact with the resistance
and I was loosed for three weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Louis, but ultimately got caught by the Gestape.

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
I guess, yes, yeah, we would walk, if we were walking,
we would walk separated by one hundred feet. So the
first man was captured, and I was going into what
was supposed to be a shafe house up near the Hague,

(01:33:20):
and I just touched the doorknob and instantaneously the doorknob
was open, and I have that sixth man all over me.
There were three gets stoppo and three SS troops and
they hit me over the head and the other ones
got a handcuffs army. The othern's got a gag in

(01:33:43):
my mouth, and their fourth one pushed me down to
the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Wow, well, did they take you directly to stalog lose three?

Speaker 9 (01:33:53):
Oh no, I was a prisoner of the Gestapo for
three weeks. Oh no, it was after any you know.
They they want to know who helped me. And I
had been in two or three houses in that time.
They had traveled from one end to Holland to the
other on the train. But hey, hey, I was the

(01:34:14):
first man in and then they just leave me that
he had hurt me. They just hit me and pushed
me down, put the cups on me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
But they hit you. I would say that problem, that
would hurt, that would hurt. I'm certain of that gestoppo treatment.
I can't imagine being pleasant at all. So after they're
done with you for three weeks, is that when they
shifted you over to the pow camp.

Speaker 9 (01:34:37):
They turned me over to the look bloffer. Yeah, and
the louchtloffer came. I was entered into the what they
call an interrogation camp do lag look boklog Dordlogger, which
you through the Air Force was interviewing prisoners should have.

(01:35:00):
They wanted to get any information we could get at
the Germans and the Allied Air forces. And I left
there and was shent on a train to Stalog Love three,
which was in the actually in Germany right at the

(01:35:21):
Polish border. I was prisoner number two thousand and five
hundred and fifty five. There. The camp was as an
old camp, but they didn't have prisoners until just recently.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
So how are the conditions? And I know most of
my listening audience has seen The Great Escape, the movie
about stalog Luft three, and these and the tunnels that
were dug, well, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:35:49):
Germans really kept the camp and us in good ship.
There was no personal animosity between us and our guard.
In fact, some of them had been fires in World
War One. The camp when I got there, the camp
had twenty twenty five hundred prisoners. It kept. Now we're

(01:36:12):
getting more bob groups from English, from the United States,
so every week we get new men.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Were we divided by nationality? Because the Great Escape movie
seemed to think that this showed that the British were
on one side and the Americans were on another. Is
that accurate?

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
When I got there, the Americans and the British were
together together who they opened a new camp and they
moved all the Britains out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Okay, Now, whose idea was the tunneling project? When was that?
How long were you there when that was hatched? And
did you did you participate or know that that was
going on?

Speaker 9 (01:36:51):
Actually at Stylet Gluke three, eventually there were five different enclosures,
you know, because you can't even govern us man easier
than five thousands. Uh So I was not in the
camp where that tunnel was a crook. Okay, the tunnel
was in the north camp and I was in center camp.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Did you get word about the tunnels being dug when
you were at the south the other camp, or did
they find out about that? Find out about that later, Bob,
not much.

Speaker 9 (01:37:20):
We didn't get much information because you don't want to
put that information on I knew the the engineer for
the tunnel was a Canadian. It was uh challenge. I
can't think of his name right now. Uh, but uh,
there was no there was no tunneling from the center

(01:37:41):
camp where I was. There were some sheeps sneaking out
over at the fence at night, but that was a
total limit. So we did We knew that there was
a tunnel going on about not much else.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
When the tunnels were discovered, I imagine there had to
have been rather an uproar at the camp. What was
the response from the Germans after the tunnels were discovered,
at least in so far as you and the rest
of the prisoners are concerned.

Speaker 9 (01:38:11):
Well, they may have been a little more strict, but
there wasn't much. I say, we were in a different
section of the camp, and of course it was hard
on var Men buying her the German colonel he was
court martialed immediately, and he was an old Air Force
man and by and large he treated us.

Speaker 14 (01:38:36):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:38:37):
He ignored us most of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Well, when you're dealing with the Germans the Nazis in
that situation, Bob, I would think that's a good thing,
you get ignored. It sounded to me like not as
bad as many prison camps could have been. No one
wants to be in a prison camp. But we did
this relationship with the guards and the men there. Did
that help facilitate getting these tunnels done? Because when I've

(01:39:02):
seen the Great Escape, I always wonder how in the
heck did they get cameras to take pictures? Where did
all this equipment come from? In clothing items and all
the stuff that they needed to fake their way out.

Speaker 9 (01:39:13):
The clothing was furnished by the Red Cross. They didn't
pay for it, but they the only one that could
deliver it. We had the red parcel weighed seven pounds.
The food parcel it was intended to keep one man
alive for a week, but they had twelve ounces of spam,
twelve ounces of corn, pound of margarine. We didn't try

(01:39:38):
for some chalk with some cheese, and five packages of
cigarette which were currency and still currency in Europe when
trains could move and ships weren't being so we were
supposed to get a Red Cross parcel every week. They

(01:40:00):
never happened. The two Cincinnati companies helped us a lot.
The United States Floting Card Company was in Norwood. We
wanted maps, escape maps. So there are fifty two cards
in the deck, forty cards, two jokers and two uh
faced eagle or bicycle advertising. And they would print a

(01:40:26):
map on their showing the best routes of escape and
where they were Germans. And then they would cut him
up into I mean they would cover it up with
it and then cut him up into cards. And if
there was a map in a deck of cards, the
coasted the attacked stamp on the front of the bat
us put slanting so that we didn't want to play

(01:40:50):
with those cards. When they got to the camp, we
could choak them in water and that face card and
numbers came off. Then we just set up a map
for escape.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
That is amazing.

Speaker 9 (01:41:06):
There was a baseball coming in. I mean maybe you
come in Pete Goldslift Sons. They made base They made
all kinds of sporting goods, but they made baseballs and
Washington came down and said, we once you is that
little capsule in the middle of a baseball once you
put a map in there. I'm sorry, But now for

(01:41:29):
radio park, so we could build a radio.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
So little by little you accumulate this stuff and you
had everything you needed once you dug out and got
outside the wall, which, of course before we part company.
Bob and I really enjoyed our time talking again today. Uh,
in terms of accuracy of the movie The Greatest Scape,
what would you say, is it accurate? Is it half accurate,

(01:41:53):
or is it completely Rather.

Speaker 9 (01:41:55):
Than the motorcycle ride, it was very accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Okay, So Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle and jumping of
fence was done for Hollywood purposes only not shocking.

Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
That's right. He wouldn't do the movie if he didn't
let him mind.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Bob from my listeners to you, God, bless you, sir.
Thank you for your service to our country. Thanks for
spending time with us today, and a very happy birthday
coming up March twenty first. I have a feeling it's
going to be a birthday to remember, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:42:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Chuck Ing Vermont fifty five KROC the talk station Hey,
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Get out and vote, and glad you're tuned in right
now because the return of doctor Naomi Wolfe, one of
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(01:43:00):
is passionate about what she does. She gives speeches and
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(01:43:20):
find out what Peiser FDA tried to conceal like their
efficacy results. To doctor wolf it's a pleasure to have
you back on the fifty five Case Morning Show.

Speaker 15 (01:43:30):
Thanks so much for having me back on again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
And I appreciate your deep dive into these Pfiser documents,
which but for a court order, we might not even have.
But you did a look into the efficacy the vaccine's
efficacy and apparently Pfiser had the results of these studies
before the November of twenty twenty election, what impact, Why
did they sit on it, and what impact do you

(01:43:54):
think they had given what you know about the efficacy
standards that you uncovered.

Speaker 15 (01:44:01):
So it's just a note, it's not my own work.
It's thirty five hundred doctors and scientists who have come
forward to read through the Pfiser documents, as you mentioned,
release center court order and write reports that anyone can
understand explaining what's in the documents and what they did
find in the documents is a really shocking assault against humanity,

(01:44:24):
to say the least, with a special focus on destroying
human reproduction. So what you just mentioned is that Pfeiser
had enough data according to its own contract for what
is enough data to declare to conclude that the vaccines
were safe and effective, even though they were using kind

(01:44:47):
of false metrics to reach that conclusion. But they had
enough data to make that announcement, and their contract.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Stipulated that they had.

Speaker 15 (01:44:58):
To make it before November first of twenty twenty. And
yet and their contract was with the Department of Defense,
and yet they sat on that announcement, violating their contract
until November ninth, twenty twenty, after the election, And basically
what they were doing was, and I you know, I

(01:45:21):
am not partisan, I voted for Biden, I'm sorry to say.
But what they essentially did was they withheld a victory
from President Trump, who was being as sales on the
campaign trail for not doing enough to get a vaccine out,
not doing enough to stop COVID, and they gave a
gift to the newly elected President Biden, well, a.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Gift that actually didn't turn out to be a vaccine
in the sense it didn't stop you from contracting COVID
or allowing you to spread it. But that's a different story.
What this contract. You know, when I'm being a lawyer,
I'm thinking, Okay, a contract usually involves one or or
two or more parties the other part of the contract.
US government. Weren't they the ones that should have enforced
the release of these these documents? Were they in on

(01:46:02):
the sitting on these reports?

Speaker 15 (01:46:05):
Well, exactly, of course, there is someone or you know,
any number of people whose job is to make sure
that this contract was properly observed and enforced. And so yes,
that those people in the US government who would be
pretty Senior made the decision to let that happen or

(01:46:30):
colludeed in that decision because they would have known that.
You know, the end of October was when the contract
said pleaser had to make the announcement, make the update
of whether it's vaccine safety aspected.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
There are standards for studies of medicine. We know that
it's very difficult. Wrote to Hoo to try to get
FDA approval. You have to go through multiple clinical trials,
et cetera. It's it appears to me, and this is
I'm looking for either correct me if I'm wrong, or
confirm that I'm right. This contract identified the number of
patients that needed to be looked at in terms of
evaluating the efficacy of this and it was a very

(01:47:05):
low number. One hundred and seventy. Have I read that right?

Speaker 15 (01:47:10):
Yes, in order to declare the vaccine safe and effective.
That's how many people the contract stipulated they needed. Actually
only sixty two at the end of October, and ultimately
one hundred and seventy. But there's so many things wrong
with the contract. I mean, I should just say the

(01:47:32):
vaccine didn't have to go through the usual FDA trials
because it was delivered via an emergency use authorization. Right,
But so yeah, even so, you know, what these volunteers
have found is that you know, funny mass all the
way through in order to be able to claim efficacy.

(01:47:52):
For instance, two hundred vaccinated people got COVID and one
hundred and well a little less than two hundred and
should say unvaccinated people got COVID, and so there would
be negative efficacy if they kept the actual numbers. And

(01:48:14):
so what Fizer did was they just dropped the two
hundred vaccinated people with COVID from their calculation so that
they could claim that the vaccine was ninety five percent
safe and effective.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
So what they sat on was erroneous information, and then
they released erroneous information to benefit Biden. But ultimately it
benefited Biden only in so far as that we the
American people who were being told we needed a vaccine,
didn't realize at the time that it wasn't going to
help us, and in some cases maybe hurt us.

Speaker 15 (01:48:44):
Well in many cases, I mean, that's the tragic thing.
In a month after rollout in November twenty twenty, TiSER
concluded that the vaccines failed. They concluded in their own
words that there was quote vaccine failure and failure of efficacy,
and in the Pleisure documents, the third most common side
effect of getting the vaccine is COVID, So it doesn't

(01:49:06):
stop you from getting COVID and it doesn't stop you
from transmitting it. And they knew that from the very start,
but they didn't tell the American people. And unfortunately it's
not just in some cases there are side effects. What
the volunteers have found is tens of thousands of very
serious side effects, industrial level neurological events, strokes, blood problems,

(01:49:32):
blood clots, lung clots, leg clots, hemorrhages, hard damage and
brain damage, kidney damage, liver damage, and twelve hundred and
twenty five deaths in just three months. In a number
of the reports the volunteers made, half of the ever's

(01:49:53):
events were within forty eight hours of receiving injection. And yeah,
and you know they knew, for instance, by May of
twenty twenty one that miners sustained heart damage thirty five
miners and the one studies sustained heart damage within a
week after receiving me A Murni injection. But they didn't
tell the American people and the FDA didn't tell the

(01:50:14):
American people till four months later, August of twenty twenty one.
And you know, I could go on and on about
the serious side effects and mortality, but the centerpiece of
the Peiser documents is an attack on especially women's ability
to get pregnant, to carry a baby, the term, to
deliver healthy baby. And Peiser knew that the vaccine was

(01:50:36):
causing catastrophic menstrual damage to women. They have charts showing
tens of thousands of women in each category of menstrual damage.
I totally calmly noted. And they knew that the the
banoparticles accumulating the ovaries damage the placenta. They knew that
babies were dying in utero due to their moms getting vaccinated.

(01:50:59):
They describe to babies as dying due to transpercental exposure
in the room. They knew that the lipidan particles made
childbirth more dangerous. Maternal deaths are up forty percent because
of compromised percentas. They knew that they were damaging creating
a situation which babies couldn't breathe because there's an air

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pocket between their lungs and their chest walls. And this
is what we're seeing, and there's a thirteen to twenty
percent dropping live births two years after the confection rules out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
And you know, just observe as we have to part
company and I would talk to you for hours via
the time, doctor Naomi wolf all the while our government
is working with social media to prevent people from even
having a discussion about these realities. Oh my word, this
has got massive legs. I cannot thank you for the
research that you and the rest of the folks who

(01:51:53):
worked on war Room Daily Cloud Pfizer Documents. Will put
a link to this so my listeners can get the
studies in that book. Go to fifty five KRC dot
com and read what is in there. It sounds absolutely shocking,
Doctor Wolfe. I look forward to the time when you
and I get to talk again. It has been a
real pleasure having you on the program today.

Speaker 15 (01:52:12):
Thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
I appreciate it, my pleasure. Eight forty fifty five carsit
Detalk Station. My at least former cancer doctor doctor David Waterhouse,
oh internationally recognize scientists. Given his background in vaccinations, of
virology and the like. Doctor Malone is a real pleasure
to have you on the fifty five cars morning to
talk about your book and some of the revelations we've
learned about the vaccine that was supposed to cure or

(01:52:36):
prevent us from getting COVID and doesn't do that, nor
does it prevent the spread. It's a good heavy on
the fifty five krs Morning show. Sir, good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:52:43):
Well thanks a lot for that introduction. I agree with
your statement at these products do not prevent infection, replication
or spread at the virus. That's clear, all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Right, and that alone negates all of this. Do it
for the rest of humanity? Argument that we were fed
for a long time. You've got to get the vaccine.
You got to get the vaccine. It's not for you,
it's for everybody else, although it will reduce the severity
of your COVID infection. Now, I had a very very
bad COVID infection. I was out for about a month.
This was before the vaccine was even available. But at

(01:53:16):
my personal immunity levels, I had my tea to sell
or my t tests done and I think an excess
of fifty provided you with some immunity. Mine was at
fourteen thousand, more than a year after I had COVID,
so I felt like I had pretty darn good protection.
But no, no, no, they're out there telling you the
natural immunity is not as good as the vaccine. But
then again, now they're telling us it is. This is

(01:53:38):
why we question our government officials from time to time. Also,
and more important, more importantly, sir, the risks associated with
the vaccine emergency use authorization. As an attorney, you know,
i'd like to know, thank you very much, what the
risks are with the vaccine. We didn't get the list
of instructions and the attendant risk because they didn't know.
Now we're all big, one big guinea pig factory out

(01:53:59):
here finding out that, yeah, there are risks associated with it.
Did you know about these potential risk having invented this technology, doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
No, there was.

Speaker 8 (01:54:09):
Remember I did my work back in nineteen eighty eight
to nineteen ninety one, was the main body of work
that the nine patents were issued from, and then I
continued working on it through the nineteen nineties with different
formulations in various academic positions. I could never overcome the inflammation,

(01:54:32):
which is the reason why I dropped the technology. In
addition to the fact that I was owned by Merk
and they were very aggressive in ensuring that no one
developed the technology, including myself. But there was no way
to know that this was going to be used in
this way and that the government was going to bypass
all norms of clinical research, safety testing, pre clinical testing,

(01:54:59):
and regulatory UH norms in terms of ensuring safety and effectiveness.
There's no way to know that a lot of the
toxicity is associated with the spike protein. And you can
see that because all of these vaccines that contain spike
have certain effects on blood clotting and myocarditis, for example,

(01:55:19):
and seem to have similar effects on some of the
brain function problems. But there are other toxicities that seem
to be unique to the m R and A products,
and they're in they're you know, positively charged fat formulations.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Now, to the extent they continue using these, the emergency
use authorization has to end at some point. They're free
from any liability, so it doesn't, no, it doesn't doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
And that's one of the key things that people have
gotten distracted about. They're dropping the UH declaration of medical emergency.
The US government is under the Biden administration in the
near future, but the authorization for emergency use comes under
a separate statute and they haven't done anything about that.

(01:56:07):
So currently the euas will continue. And it's fascinating that
neither Piser nor More Donna will provide the actual licensed product.
That was all a ploy on the part of the
Biden administration to impose the mandates, but neither Piser no
more Donner will provide those. Only the EUA product is

(01:56:28):
available because of the various issues with liability and the
requirements that they perform additional clinical trials, just like they
were required to perform clinical trials and pregnancy, but they bypass.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
That frightening stuff and even maybe more frightening, equally frightening
the alignment of government and media and doctor Fauci and
the pharmaceutical companies lockstep saying this was this was absolutely necessary,
and that it was aoka for you to be fired

(01:57:03):
from your job for not taking this drug. How is
it that they all collectively got together and even censored you.
You were the inventor of this, and they just they
completely censored you and and smeared you when you're one
of the most authoritative individuals on this Why is there
a Why is there an answer to that? Out there, sir,

(01:57:23):
what we know right.

Speaker 8 (01:57:24):
Now, And I don't want to speculate about what was
going on in people's minds because I'm not a mind reader.
But we can see the artifacts, the documents and the
paper trails from what they've done, and for instance, we
can see that in the Twitter files, and we can
see it in the Attorney General's State attorney General's lawsuit
against Google and the US government. It's very clear that

(01:57:45):
the government took a position that was really first developed
or certainly advanced during the Event two one that was
held in the fall of twenty nineteen, sponsored by Bill
Gates and the WEF, in which they decided that they
were going to do this really extreme propaganda effort under

(01:58:11):
the thesis that they would have a safe and effective
vaccine and that there would be no drugs that would
be effective, and that the virus would be highly lethal.
Those are their assumptions, and they just marched forward based
on that and said, well, to protect the public, we're
going to have to shut down and censor people that
say anything that might cause quote vaccine hesitancy, whether or

(01:58:34):
not it's true. And so that was the rationale, was
that for our own good, we had to be protected
from information because it might lead us to not take
a product that turns out was neither safe nor effective.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
It's a cosmic gambles what they rolled the dice on.
It seems the other component of it is. And I
thought this was an offense to all practitioners of medicine,
the idea that you can diagnose and be diagnostician for
your patient and prescribe medications that you believe would be
effective in dealing with the underlying problem. In this case
the symptoms of COVID. Some were terrible for some and

(01:59:11):
some were really light for others. But ivermectin came out
really early as a potential use, and yet it will
be an off label use. So they criticized even the
consideration of that in the face of sound medical literature
that it worked.

Speaker 8 (01:59:25):
Ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine, and hydroxy chloroquine was even identified
by a paper by Tony Fauci a few years ago
before this outbreak as effective against stars I, which is
closely related. So there's a whole lot of questions. Of course,
the President of the United States, whatever you think of

(01:59:46):
mister Trump, the President of the United States, directed that
hydroxy chloroquine be made available, and Peter Navarro went to
great links to secure enough drug supply, and Janet Woodcock
at FDA and Rick Bright at BARTA basically colluded to

(02:00:06):
circumvent the will and decision of the President of the
United States through various bureaucratic shenanigans.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
And that was purely political, but it also was and
I'm certainly a financial motivation, because of course, the pharmaceutical
companies end up making billions of dollars off of this,
because you're not allowed to rely on something else that
might have been equally effective in reducing your symptoms.

Speaker 8 (02:00:32):
So to that point, the article we're writing right now
for today involves the current director of the Center for
Drug Evaluation and Research, who has been put in that
place to replace Janet Woodcock. She was put in there
by Scott Gottlieb, who then left and went to Pfizer,
and she had previously been a senior Pfizer executive. She's

(02:00:52):
a Canadian, and she was advanced through the FDA ranks
unusually quickly to the point now where she's one of
the most powerful people in the FDA right now, and
she is all in a phisor I mean, the corruption
here and the revolving door is deep, well documented, readily acknowledged.

(02:01:13):
You'll remember the project Veritus honey Trap, in which this
revolving door was directly acknowledged by a senior a Pfizer executive.
And we have a deep problem right now with the
compromise of our government and the administrative state by the
interests of large corporations. It's not just Pharma, it's Boeing,

(02:01:38):
it's Monsano, it's all these big corporations compromising the independence
of the agencies that are supposed to be regulating them.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
And over whom the agencies have a tremendous amount of
control over their future. So by working with them and
caving to the will of government, you maybe avoid a
compleat c and sought it, or you may be more
likely to get a grant or some other favor curried
by government. So don't buck the system. Is that where
we are.

Speaker 8 (02:02:08):
It is, and it's actually where we've been for a
long time. It's just that the last the stress on
the system over the last three years has revealed it
to a lot of people that were previously ignorant. And
I got to admit I thought I really understood a
lot of this and what was going on. And when
I read Bobby Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci, I

(02:02:29):
was depressed for three weeks. I realized that I only
knew a fraction of it. Everything is siloed, compartmentalized, so
that people aren't really aware of how corrupted things are,
because there's very few people that see across the government horizontally.
They just see their own individual silos and they go

(02:02:51):
about their daily job.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
I can certainly understand that lies my government told me.
And the Better Future Coming by my guest today, doctor
Robert Malone, the second part of the title, and the
Better Future Coming, What can we do about it? Obviously
there's a little optimism built into the title of your book.
So can you offer some words of encouragement before we part?
Come today, doctor Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:03:13):
So one of the practical things that everybody can do
is work towards a more decentralized future. There are all
kinds of forces that are driving us towards a kind
of a global world government set up, and there are
many ways we can oppose those forces and work towards

(02:03:33):
a decentralized future, which is what George Orwell believed was
the only way out of that dark future that he
envisioned in nineteen eighty four. And one of the things
we can do here is you cannot be a victim.

Speaker 7 (02:03:48):
Be a warrior.

Speaker 8 (02:03:49):
Learn how fifth generation warfare works. Understand the term, Understand
the propaganda that's been deployed on all of us. And
as soon as you do that, you become or resistant
to it. You can see through it, and then you
can start to act in the grocery line and on
social media in all kinds of ways. This is a

(02:04:10):
new era where people can be empowered.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
I appreciate that optimism. That's what my morning show is
all about, you know. And you have to learn not
to care if someone is online smearing you, you know what,
you can rise above that and ignore them. You know
what opinions are like, doctor, everybody's got one. It's been
a real pleasure. Keep fighting the good fight, doctor Malone.
It's a great having you on. I'm going to encourage
my listeners to buy a copy of your book, which
will be easily available at fifty five carec dot com,

(02:04:36):
Share it with your friends and speak truth to power.
Robert Malone, thank you for your time today, and thanks
for doing exactly that and speaking truth to power.

Speaker 8 (02:04:45):
Thank you, sir, Thanks for your time too, and.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Thanking from the bottom of my art for agreeing to
come on the fifty five Percy Morning Show. You see
Professor biological Science, doctor Joseph Benoit, doctor Benoir, thank you
for coming in the program. I found out about this
crazy alpha gal syndrome yesterday apparently transmitted by lone star tics,
which we do have in the state of Ohio. There's
a big outbreak in Virginia of this syndrome, which is

(02:05:10):
referred to as a meat allergy that's contracted through tick
bites and apparently can be life threatening. We had some
listeners calling after I brought this subject up and said, oh,
I know some people who have this. It's horrific. They
haven't been able to eat meat in years. Welcome to
the program, doctor, it's great having you on. Were you
Are you familiar? You're familiar with this?

Speaker 14 (02:05:29):
Eh, yeah, I'm familiar with it. It's actually a pretty
common it's actually not a disease. Rather, it's just an
allergy to the ticks themselves. And what will happen with
it is pretty much they have the moment star tics
have sugars and other molecules in their spit. And what

(02:05:50):
will happen is people get a bit by a tick.
Your bit for four or five six days exposed a
lot of it, and then that caused you to be
allergic to these specific sugar molecules, and that's pretty much
what happens, and so it could be pretty dangerous later
on if you're exposed again. And a lot of these
sugars are just found in meat types, so pretty much

(02:06:12):
any red meat. But then like fish, reptiles, birds, like chicken,
you're fine to eat.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Well. So your body's immune response is to attack the
tick venom or the tick saliva, but it can't determine
the difference between the meat you eat and that particular
immune response. So it's launching an immune response for something
that your body shouldn't launch an immune response over.

Speaker 14 (02:06:40):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You could also get it.
So some people just develop it just normally, like not normally,
but just they'll eat meat, they'll develop an allergy to it,
and it happens in but that's a lot that's very rare,
and it just really with this tick. It's these alpha

(02:07:02):
galle molecules. They expose you to so many of them,
then from that point on your body thinks that it's
actually you're being invaded, either by a pathogen or some
sort of foreign body. So you end up with this
this prolonged and reaction, and once you get it, there's
really no way to.

Speaker 9 (02:07:19):
Turn it around.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
Oh my, now is it? Can you get it from
any lone star tick or is there only certain of
them that carry it? Like lime disease for example. My
understanding is not all ticks carry lime disease, but some do.
Is this it's just the saliva that this particular tick has,
or has the tick itself contracted this or otherwise carried

(02:07:44):
this that not all lone star ticks carry.

Speaker 8 (02:07:48):
No.

Speaker 14 (02:07:48):
It seems to really just be the actual tick itself.
But even if you get bitten by it, it doesn't
as I have actually been personally bitten by lone star
ticks before, don't have the syndrome. So it's you can
still be bit by the ticks and not develop it.
It's just you have to have kind of the right

(02:08:09):
genetics be bitten by the tick. And they think there's
some population effects potentially where certain groups of loan startics
are likely more likely to cause this alpha gal syndrome.
So it's really not it's not just any loan startics,
but it's maybe certain populations of loan startics, and then

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they have to bite and feed on the right people
in order for them to develop this syndrome.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
Okay, now what what type of allergic reaction are people
going to have if this if they if they're afflicted
with alpha gal syndrome.

Speaker 14 (02:08:44):
Oh, I mean mainly just think like when you start
thinking of people with like that full bore immune reaction,
like when they're allergic to anything. I mean we're talking,
you'll get hives, you'll get itchy, you'll get rashy, there'll
be some like not because mainly the next time is
when you eat it, and so you'll get a reaction

(02:09:05):
with your stomach where you'll get nausea, vomiting, you can
drop in like blood pressure, dizziness, and so really just
think of a very severe immune reaction with some abdominal
issues as well, after you've eaten the red meat, and
usually it's about two to six hours after that, and
even some people can after you've consumed it, and even

(02:09:28):
for some people's cases, it can even extend to like
dairy products as well, and so you're pretty much eliminated
from red wheat meat and some dairy products. And then
you even have to worry about it. And they've gotten
rid of a lot of these because of this. But
there's some sort of like there's some coatings on medication

(02:09:48):
and those sort of things that are also based off
this alpha gl molecule, So then you have to watch
a little bit for that. So it's and really like,
even if you develop it, it can range from like
a mild effect to life threatening. But what will happened
with a lot of people, say you develop it, your
first reactions are mild and people will just like keep

(02:10:12):
eating the meat and right sort of thing, and that
it can get worse.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
Oh wonderful, because I personally would want to live in
a state of denial that the meat that I'm eating
has anything to do with my health. But here you
have this terrible condition and I happen to like a
bacon cheeseburger from time to time, doctor, and I can't
imagine life without all of these wonderful things that you
refer to, which we might be prohibited from eating real quickly,
for we part company. If someone believes they have this

(02:10:37):
or has been bent by a lone star tike and
starts developing these symptoms, I seek medical attention. You said
there's no cure for it, But what's your recommendation for
listeners who might might be experiencing this?

Speaker 14 (02:10:49):
I mean what I would do I was a go
to the doctor. You're probably going to have to change
your diet. You're probably really going to have to stop
eating mammal meat, to be honest, beef, pork, lamb, rabbit,
and depind on your level of severity, you may even
have to avoid milk products as well. And then there's

(02:11:12):
really like some people will like even have reaction to
some other like drugs, and so you should just talk
to your doctor. You'll probably if it ends up severe,
you're probably going to have to have a massive lifestyle
change that focuses on avoiding red meat products the rest

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of your life.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
Well, one of the listeners that called in yesterday doctors
said that the person who they knew had this alpha
Gole syndrome couldn't be even in the room where meat
was being prepared. The the I guess the fats or
whatever the got into the air. She would react to
those in the same way, does that sound like something
you've heard before of experienced before in your practice.

Speaker 14 (02:11:54):
That is like the rarest of the rare situations I've
heard on. That would be like you get the example
of the kids of pena allergies. Yeah, when they have
the pena allergies to the point where like they can't
even be like if anybody in the cafeteria has a
peanut butter product or a nut product, that they can't

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be in the same room. So that's like the rarest
of the case. Usually most of them never developed that far.
Most of them. It's it's an ingestion contact based allergy.
But you got to also keep mine when some people
a lot of times are preparing me and that sort
of thing, they're cutting it. There's maybe people aren't washing
their hands. They may also even be touching places too

(02:12:37):
that and people are always quite careful, and so it's
I would say, it's it's an ingestion effect and that's
really where you want to make sure to avoid it
if you end up with the syndrome.

Speaker 1 (02:12:49):
All right, And since it sounds like in some cases
anaphyactic shock, is there an EpiPen or anything like that
out there that would relieve some of the more serious
symptoms to the extent that are severe sufferer out there.

Speaker 14 (02:13:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's if you end up with this,
you'll end up probably carrying an EpiPen, just like you
would have a severe or allergic reaction, Like I am
extremely allergic to bees. I carry EpiPen when with me,
when I run and those sort of things. But this
is one of those syndrome that if you end up
developing it, you probably maybe you want to have an

(02:13:22):
EpiPen or some sort of treatment be ready if you
got to dinner or any of those places, because you
usually have to tell them to not cross contaminate red
meat products, whether there cooking the fish in those aspects.
But it's, yeah, it's you'd have to worry about it
as similarly to any allergy.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
Doctor Joshuna, you see, professor of biological science. I truly
thank you for your willingness to come on the program
to talk about this, because quite honestly, when I heard
about it first, I'm thinking, no life without meat now,
please Dear God, so stay the hell away from lone
star ticks. I mean, there's no real way to avoid
them other than just the normal precautions. Presume, like say,
we're bright clothing so you can see the tics and

(02:14:03):
make sure you're you know, pant legs are tucked in
and you're searching yourself, if you know, looking for ticks
after you've been working in the yard, that kind of thing.
Other than that, it's like nature's crapshoot, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (02:14:13):
Yeah, and be and permetering to work well as repellents.
And luckily, at least within this area, the Sinte area,
we don't have a lot of loans arctics in this area.
Good they're beginning to be. We're starting to see them
a little bit into this area with some climate change.
But it's at least right now we're limited to Gulf

(02:14:34):
Coast dog ticks, some black leged ticcks on the east
side of Cincinnati, but so in this area year. But
as you get to like the southeast area and then
while even in the northeast, the loan's artics will become
much more prevalent. And so really spared this a little
bit right now, but that could change over the next

(02:14:54):
few years.

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Okay, well not all great news, but hey, you got
to know the information to be in and know what
to do in the aftermath. Doctor, it has been a
real pleasure having you on the program. Your credentials are wonderful.
I'm staring at your CV right now. Insects, stress tolerance,
ormonal regulation, metabolism, reproductive physiology, molecular physiology, transcript transcript domics.

(02:15:20):
Someday we're gonna have to have a conversation about what
that is. Doctor, appreciate your learned opinion today on the
fifty five KRC Morning Show. Thanks and have a great week.
My friend