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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Brian Thomas, Please to welcome to the fifty five
Cars Morning Show. Author Richard Battle. Richard is an award
winning author, speaker, and media commentator. He's the author of
twelve books in counting, including the book we're talking about
this morning, America Cans Who Made America? The Growth, Division
and Reunification. His book Americans, it's just available right now
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on fifty five cars dot com sea you can get
a copy about it. And I love the name and
you have I emphasized the can part of Americans because
you emphasized it in the title. It's Amera with all
caps cans. We've had struggles and challenges in this nation before.
It feels like we're experiencing something that nobody's ever experienced
in America. This political division has obviously put the brakes
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on anything being accomplished in Washington. Of course, we're in
the middle of a government shutdown as we speak right now.
We've been there and done that before. But you point
out that, you know, there have been political divisions, most
notably in the eighteen hundreds that nearly broke the nation previously.
So is it as bad out there as we perceive
it to be, Richard or are we just going through
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another series of motions that we will see the other
side in a positive outcome.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, Brian, thank you so much for having us with you,
and I appreciate you emphasizing the cans also. And the
reason that I'm writing this series of books is because
I got sick and tired of listening to our media,
our politicians, and our culture telling us that we cannot
be as good as we once were, our kids can
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have lives as good as we had, and that were doomed, basically,
and this spiral to have less and less over time.
And as I thought about it, what I realized was
it wasn't the government that made America. It wasn't any
political party. It was individual Americans with that can do spirit.
When they saw a need, they filled it, When they
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had a dream, they chased it. And so each volume
my highlight of century's worth of forty individuals and kind
of how they exercise their can do spirit and in
doing so contributed to the country. And as we go
into the shutdown, one of the great examples is your
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former Governor of Ohio, Rutherford B. Hayes in the eighteenth
seventy sixth election, which lasted one hundred and fifty days
and it helped heal the nation from the Civil War.
And it's a fascinating story in Rutherford B. Hayes is
one of the people we highlight in the nineteenth Century volume.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, I think part of the problem is we have
had it so good for so long in this country.
You know, I know we've we've had wars, and there's
been periods of disruption. But for the last you know,
several decades, we've been we've had it very easy here.
And I think people lose sight when you look back
at our history in this period of time that you
talk about in Americans who made it? I made America?
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How in spite of how unbelievably horrific the conditions were
and how tough it was just to live your life
on a day to day basis. We didn't have a
social safety welfare and that we didn't have a government
check coming in, We didn't have guaranteed loans and business
incentives and things. You were on your own, and you
were on your own in a time where we didn't
have indoor plumbing or we didn't have electricity. I mean,
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the challenges are insurmountable. You think about the people moving
out west, the settlers, and what they faced. It's just
I kind of richard in a way, wish that our
young people at least had to experience a life like
that for a month or more just to get a sensoriality.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, you're correct, and I tell people that our parents
couldn't dream of having the things that we think are necessities,
and our grandparents couldn't even conceive of them being available.
And so in history, if we look, tough times build
strong people and strong leaders, and strong leaders unfortunately lead
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to weak times because the good times we end up
disrespecting them and become weaker, and those week leaders build.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Tough times again.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And that's kind of the cycle. And we've been in
that cycle where we've had week leadership and everything always
comes back to leadership. And so we need good, strong
leaders across the board. And this is not a political statement.
It's not a partisan statement. It's an American statement. And
we all when we do things in our lives, and
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the better we do them, the better we contribute to
the success of the country. And we need that moral
fiber in the country again to help us as well.
The selfless servant leadership that we used to have versus
all of this looking for self and materialism that the
culture promotes.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Richard Battle, author of Americans Who Made America. I think
part of the problems we have in America currently is
our expectation of our young people are far too low.
We passed them to school with elevated grading. They're not
ready for college and so they have to take remedia
classes in college. We just coddled them along the way.
And with that background, I feel free to disagree with
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you if you want, Richard, But with that sort of predicate,
can you choose someone who you highlight in your book
Americans who Made It Better? Who was a younger person?
I know, for example, our founding fathers, many of them
were in their twenties. Could anybody in American and America's
education system take on the weight of the responsibility of
declaring independence from Great Britain and penning that amazing document
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that was the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist papers.
I mean, when you read the language that they wrote
and how they were communicating, it reflects a level of
intellect that I just don't think we have any more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Richard, Well, I think we have it, but we've discouraged honest,
moral people from being in public leadership because of the
way that campaigns are conducted, way the media operates, and
it's become much more of a power struggle than it
has a honorable profession, if you will, in statesmanship, and
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they say politicians think about the next election, and statesmen
think about the next generation. Sam Houston's story I highlight
and actually his mother, Sam Houston, I love his leadership.
He was the George Washington of Texas if you will,
letter of military when we won independence, was the first
and third president of a republic, a governor. But when
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he was nineteen, he was going off with Andrew Jackson
to the War of eighteen twelve, and his mother on
the back porch told him, if you are courageous, she'll
always be welcome here, but if you show cowardice and
never darken my door, And then she gave him a
small gold ring with a single word on the inside
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so that only he could see it, and the word
was honor. He wore that ring day the rest of
his life. Over fifty years. He died with it on
It's at the museum outside of Houston at San Jacento.
But I envision him every time he had a tough decision,
sitting there and twisting that ring and thinking honor, honor, honor,
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what's the honorable thing to do? And those are the
type values we need to be back teaching our kids.
And I tell people when I speak, I wish that
I'd been given an honor ring, and I highly suggest
people considering giving their kids and grandkids honor rings and
explaining that story again as well, because if we make
longer term decisions, if we make honorable decisions, if we
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make decisions based on helping others versus self as number one,
we will have a better society.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
This sounds like a book written for every American. So
in addition to the Honor Ring, get your young people
a copy of Americans Who Made America Growth, Division and Reunification.
From my guess today, Richard Battle, It's been our distinct
pleasure having you on the program and talking about this
inspirational book. And I will strongly encourage my listeners to
head on over to fifty five care sea dot com
and score themselves a copy and express a willingness to
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share it with your friends. These are messages that definitely
need to be passed along and I salute you Richard
Battle for putting this in your book.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, I thank you very much for having me. And
I tell people that my books and speaking speak through
them to their kids and grandkids, and that's who we
really want to influence going forward. And I close saying
God Bless America.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
God Bless America. And I do see a glimmer of
hope out there among younger people pivoting over to a
more faith based and of course a more conservative mindset.
So let's hope that that continues and we continue to
grow and we prove that we America cans can do it.
Richard Battle, God bless you, sir, Thanks for being on
the morning show. Try to make it a happy Friday.
And by way of relativity, me find out your Friday
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is going much better than you anticipated because you didn't
live the rather tragic life of My next guest, Rebecca Lafferty,
who's joined the Progerner to talk about her new book,
The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma, Abuse and My Father's Crimes,
a Mormon daughter's story. Rebecca, Welcome to the fifty five
Cadsy Morning Show. It's a pleasure having you on today.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Thank you, thank you, it's pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, and I say pleasure knowing full well your experience
as a child, which you write about in this book.
Your father was a rather troubled individual, and that may
be an understatement from your perspective. You can elaborate on that.
Let my listeners know about you and I guess around
seven years old, you're apparently your dad got radicalized in
a certain way. Let's talk about that. Let my listeners know.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, well, my father he was you know, he was
raised in kind of a strict household himself, and so
he raised us kids very very strict. He was LDS.
We followed it to the t, you know, I tried
to do everything to the t. And what that was
like for me as a child was very There's a
lot of violence in on home. I would say correction
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was over the top for a child. And we also
believed that women should be underneath the mail. They are
not to be respected or have a voice or opinions really,
and so there was always fights because my mom was
a very strong thirded woman. Yeah, and this just led
to a lot of Like I said, I just saw
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a lot of violence and experienced it myself grown up
with my father and then at seven him going to
prison and finding out what had happened later on. It
really affected that kind of snowball and affected my life
and the relationships.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
There on the way you described the it's a lot
of day saints that the church that sounds like it
has a lot of parallels to fundamentalism, Islam and and
Sharia law. Is that a safe or comparable thing a parallel?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I think anything that you take to a dream,
you know, I guess you could compare them. But yeah,
I mean it was there was no color. It was
black or white, there was nothing really in between. Yeah,
that was my experience.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So you said he ended up in prison. Let my
listeners know how exactly he ended up in prison and
not just regular prison to life sentences them all right.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Correct, Yeah, he took the life of my aunt and
her baby, my baby cousins, the filling you know, uh, prophecy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Oh, he killed them related to his faith in some
twisted perception, specifically, what's the connection between the real religious
fundamentalism and their death?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They were well, he was excommunicated from the Eudience Church
and then him and his brothers started creating their own
church or you know, doing their own thing where it
was called the school of prophets, and so they are
all profits in a school the oldest pad of revelation,
that that this aunt of mine needed to be removed,
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and that my father was a prophet of he was
the hand of God, and so therefore that was his role.
And in their twistedness made sense to that bit of.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
A red flag for an adult in this world. But
as a child of I mean, you couldn't speak out
against it. And I suppose, given how young you were,
you had no basic comparison, no world experience, being hidden
from the rest of the world in your home, and
how would you know. I guess you were either forced
to believe him or you actually believe what he was saying.
We're back, am I right on that?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, there's a part of me that always you know,
obviously my father. I look up to him, I trust him,
I adored my father, and there was also a part
of me that was fearful of him, and I didn't
trust everything.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And he said the typical child reaction. I suppose at
least that part was typical. You know, I my children
didn't always listen to what I had to say. So
this is a completely autobiographical book. What prompted you to
write this because you talk about your struggles and the
emotions and everything you went through, and then also you
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talk about when he reached out to you from prison,
which I want to ask you about. But what was
the compelling reason for writing The Lafferty Girl.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, I had somebody that I really admire and trust
to recommended that I write my story. And when she talks,
I listen, and so I felt, you know, once I
get enough of my inner healing work and I was
able to get to a place where I could speak
from pope and not just the pain, I knew it
was time to tell my story. Yeah. Yeah, him reaching
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out to me from prison was it was healing. That
was part of the healing process. He took act ability
for some of the things that he how he was
was a father with me. He's never acknowledged that what
he's done is wrong. He's still holds very very strongly
to that he is a prophet and that he is
here to fulfill a goal.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Now, did you when you how old were you when
he when he reached out to you from prison, Because
you know that that's on the cover materials too, obviously
that was a very profound moment in your life. But
how old were you at that time?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, So I stayed in communication with him for a while.
We had written, we would write back and forth, but
then there was a period where I had not heard
from him, and then the book Under the Banner of
Heaven had come out, and so there was a really
long gap, and I would have been thirty five maybe when.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We reconnected, So when he's still clinging to this idea
that he's a prophet at age thirty five and now
capable as an adult reflecting back on your childhood understanding
what abuse is and is not. Did you call him
out on it? By any chance? You said, you know,
are you serious about this profit stuff? I mean that
I'm Brian Thomas. That's the kind of the thing, the
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in conversation I would engage in if it was my
dad calling me from prison. You know, I wouldn't pull
any punches. I'm just kind of wondering, given the delicacy
of the situation, if if you engaged in a process
back and forth about that concept, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think I just know I still carried some there
around that I you would always talk about it. I
just didn't want to hear it coming from his lips.
That would just I don't know, it was just another
level of reality. I just does not want to go
with you know, to with him.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
See those are words I can hear coming out of
my mouth if I was having this conversation my dad,
I don't want to hear this crap dad. That that's anyway?
So who did you write? I mean, obviously it's cathartic
to write a book about this, get it out of
your system, and many people recommends therapists and psychologists like
you know, write a journal, get it out of your system,
put it on paper. It helps you understand your situation
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and come to grips with your own reality. But you
obviously had an audience you're writing this too. Is this
for other people who struggle with abuse and are still
dealing with the scars as adults? Is it for women
in abusive relationships? Or I mean it sounds to me
like there's a whole schmorgas board a potential audience here.
I'm just wondering what who you had in mind when
you wrote it, other than yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, I really just.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well for all of that compassion for the little girl,
you know, compassion and love for my family and the
healing that I could bring, and then for anyone that's
carrying the silence of shame, and you know, just wanting
to not feel alone. And I wrote this because I
want people to know they are not alone.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's a good message, it really, it truly is. And
you alluded to under the Banner of Heaven in your
comments earlier, that's an FX Hulu series And is that
still out there that someone did a documentary about your
father and the crimes he perpetrated.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Correct, John crack was he wrote a book under the R.
Sas and he interviewed with my father as he wrote it,
and then Hulu data theories on it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Did they interview you for that? I just don't wonder
what your reaction is. I can't. I'm just struggling with
what my emotions might be. If someone's going to do
a series about my father. How did you take that?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
They never asked, they didn't interview anybody from the family.
In fact, a lot of it is there's a lot
of fictitious stuff that they've all went into that Hulu theories.
Oh and that's how they got around that.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, another reason to write the book to set the
record straight about what you, Rebecca Lafferty, dealt with with
him being your father. Well again, the name of the book,
The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma Abuse in My Father's Crimes,
A Mormon Daughter's Story. We've made it really easy for
my listeners to get a copy of Rebecca Joe Strecker.
My producers put it on the blog page fifty five
cares dot com with the link to the site where
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they can buy it, which all encouraged them to do.
And for those out there maybe dealing with similar circumstances
or struggles, or maybe you got a render relative that's
in this, get a copy of it help maybe help
them heal as well. Rebecca, I can't thank you enough
for spending this time with my listeners and me this morning,
and for putting this all on paper. Brian Thomas here
right here, and please welcome Michael Pack. He is a
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renowned documentary director and we're gonna be talking about his
newest release, The Last six hundred Meters, The Battles of
Ned Jeff and Fallujah. He is the president of Manifold Productions,
independent film and television production company that he founded way
back in seventy seven Manifold Productions. Mister Pack have written, directed,
and produced numerous award winning, nationally broadcast documentaries, as well
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as corporate and educational films. Also president of Palladium Pictures.
I could go through your film list, but let's dive
right onto it. Michael, Well, welcome to the fifty five
care Some morning, you should have talk about a very
important documentary you released, this Last six hundred Meters. What
caused you to gravitate to make this particular film about
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the battles of ned Jaff and Fallujas are good to
have on the program.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Well, it's good to be on your program. Well, as
you say, I've made a lot of documentaries, fifteen had
been naturally broadcast by PBS, but this one had a
very unusual path. It's called The Last six hundred Meters
the Battles of the Joff and Fallujah because a special
force of sniper says in the film, I don't make
foreign policy. I delivered the last six hundred meters of it,
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meaning what he could see through a sniper's scope, right,
And we try to stay true to that. It's not
about should we be inter rapt with the rap We're
good or bad? Was what it was like to fight
these battles. These are the biggest battles in America has
fought since Vietnam. And we try to tell the story
from the point of view the people who fought there,
from corporals and sergeants up to the one star generals
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in the field, and we try to make it a
battle story as if it were a great historic battle
like b Rejima or Gettysburg. And it is the hard
great historic battles. But the path that you asked about
have we got the is an odd one. We were
researching a film about the Iraq War while it was
going on in two thousand and four and five.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
And.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You know, I thought the stories of these battles and
these young men and women being were untold, and I
conducted the interviews with them in two thousand and seven,
three years after the battle, when they were still young
and their memories were fresh. And then we completed a
version of film in two and eight. And even though
it was primarily funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
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PBS initially declined to broadcast it. They thought it was
too pro military. I'm not sure what that means. But
that's what they said, and over seventeen years we begged
them to broadcast it and finally present the PBS, and
what I considered to be a courageous move reversed seventeen
years of no to say yes, and we slightly updated
it and we put it on PBS. It was broadcast
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nationally and PBS the day before Veterans Day in the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Core, and it
is now streaming of doing elsewhere. So it's it had
a very unusual history, but it's being more relevant today
than it was a way.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Back when well it could. And see I'm trying to
draw parallel attitudes about Vietnam. Why were we battle in
the country we don't care about why, Well, the soldiers
took the brunt of that when they came. Always felt
terrible about that. But the idea into Iraq was predicated
on weapons, and guess what, there weren't any there at
least that is that part of the resistance, like we
shouldn't have been in that, ignoring the earl, the death
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and the awful rh in women on the front line had.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
To I think I think people couldn't see the because
of their ideology, whatever it happened, and it was very
much parallel to non war veterans. I think the Iratstan
war veterans also done cable don't like their wars too
a bunch of fact that these were heroic people, young
men and women, upon the line for us, the America,
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and I think now more clearly. I mean, you know,
the very impressive they've done to put their lives a
huge reb You can hear this very dramatic, Oh you know,
this is you know, people I wore from home at least,
so these people are miss doing an unusual thing. And
I also think it's meant though it's been twice battles.
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I think that the world are often in the wars
and will be a point to the war in Gaza,
you know, and America opt into until we should at
least understand that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And you know, I've been in a blessed to talk
to a lot of what I always refer to in
indoors in Fallujah, and I'm text of I think I
had experience. I can certainly step to post dramatic stress.
If you're revey or whenever you start kicking, you go
into a room. One poet of these brave men. They
kick it the room and beneath the food mounted the
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enemy craft gun and they started the room from beneath
the floor. What his pants went right through it. Through
that experience you're doing minutes later in the next building,
you're doing getting up tomorrow and doing the same thing,
operating at that level of adrena, and explain that amount
of brave in and day out.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It is truly I think that they break down these doors.
You don't know when you smash the dress in that
you're confronting Alliam that you're supposed to help or it's
going to kill you and you've got to kill him.
But before you have to make these split level decisions
day you know, to time day after day, a lot
to ask and a lot of the people be down
the doors. The corporal sergeants are eighteen nineteen young men
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in this case, you know, just out of high school
or a college. It's a lot to ask pressure, but
I just spent There's been an attention to these that
are PTSD and typical. Maybe bad things that happen there
like Aditha obscured the fact that yeah they had true
but there's also they did we tell the story of
hell House. It varied where marines were pinned, had to broauically,
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or it's to rescue the marines in the house. Now
you can see it's going to break into the house
to the bars and take his kevler off, having to
cross the kill zone where the pins were times. I
mean it's very yeah, sure what is doesne hou house?
You can see the face, you know, it's just empty
stairs and end of all energy. But I think, yeah,
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there's the PTSD so heroism and valor to notice.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But I couldn't agree more with you and port of
what they were, what they understand that the questionable circumstant
to gravitate over that some profoundly affected to the negat
amount of stress for example. But did you get collectively
if you had to put them on the folks that
you talked about or the talk with when you're making
the last six, that they were indeed able to accomplish,
that they were prouday with a higher sense of bravery,
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reflective on their extreme, their sense of purpose. Were they
all positive whole experience and looking looking back, hatting themselves
on the back that you know, damn it, I entered
and I did what I.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Was failed.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
The variety of is about them kind of screening in
Washington very really invited all the veterans that many did.
But I hadn't seen them in seventeen years older, of course,
but they were they were very proud of and they
were very bonded to each other and moving experience. Many
veterans we can. I think it was their most intense experience.
As they said, these guys, even if I haven't seen
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them for years, they have on waves deeper than whether
you know, they've gone through this intense you know. So
on the other hand, they all have had trump. Many
of them were happy in my film. Finally they couldn't
show it to their family, They couldn't really speak about
the experience. But yeah, I think they thought, you know,
especially the marine that we have quan marine got it. Look,
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we can win any war and any battlefield that we
will win. Get to the objective went on together, the
strategic objective to other people's job, and today we could
do it. And this guy years later, he's still so
I think they over there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I am so happy director of the last six hundred
meters is the battles of I have a kind of
were these the saddles. I mean, you know when you
look in different theory jungle warfare, you got desert was
you know, basically door to door as I sort of explained,
ntic forms were in the job and fame type of
fighting or were there that going on urban warfare?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean in that sense they're the same, but it's
still a flujah in the north and the insurgents and
then out against Chia after the Second Battle of Fallujah
a month period, you know, the city hit by the
mad macana al Sadder and first began in this very
weird huge cemetery, multiple and multiple layers below ground and landscape,
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and then next Monday militia into this grand Uh one
of the most holy sides. And then it's a question
of how you get it's a political battle and vibrating
and then great, there's all these huge kind of apartment
they had that the that there's levels and they're found
in those buildings. Now a Democratic congressman story of someone
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in his squad countered in the surgeon undergrounds and the
quarters were so close they their machines and so it
was turned into a Knight tell the marine urgent with
a nice so it gets foodle primitive combat and very
strange surreal if I have to kicking down the doors
all of the second battle, allus creation on that, but.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Still a fair enough from the bots link. Can't thank
you enough for document past six hundred meters of battles,
and in my listening audience, I had conveterans, many of
whom were probably and can certainly relate to it only home,
and to a lot of people who really don't get it, haven't,
can't understand it, get a load of it. It's right
there for everyone to see the last six hundred meters
of battles in the joff and Fludium. My guest today,
the producer and director of the film, Michael Pack, Thank
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you again for your service to the country and your
service to the men and women who were involved in
the conflict and putting the film together. And I will
encourage my listeners to check it out. I'm staring at
the page right now PBS Documentaries. It's easy to find,
and my producer will put a link on my blog
page of fifty five kr SE dot com to make
it that much easier. This ought to be a real
eye opener. I'm happy to welcome to the Pitty five
KRC Morning Show author Mike McCormick. He's got an amazing
(27:55):
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computer at seven pm, because this is going to be,
I mean amazing. Mike McCormick, he is served to get
a load of this. Served as the White House stenographer
for fifteen years under the President Bush, Vice President Biden,
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President Trump. He transcribed speeches and meetings across the Oval
Office in West Wing and around the world on Air
Force one and Air Force two, high pressure, around the
clock environments. Again, multiple books, including the one Who's going
to be talking about tonight and an almost Insurmountable Evil.
How Obama's deep sate defiled the Catholic Church and executed
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the Wuhan pandemic. Bold statements, Mike, Welcome to the fifty
five Carose Morning Show.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Hey Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So you note in your materials and of course in
the book, that you know, questioning the Pope a little
bit difficult for Catholics around the world to do that,
and not being Catholic, I questioned authority all the time.
I mean, if it was if I was, like I'd
questioned the Pope if I disagreed with the direction he
was going. But I know that's a little difficult. But
the Pope and Obama and Biden worked together. And I
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explain to my listeners in boil down terms, in what
way they worked together along these nefarious lines.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Well, what happened was I was in the White House
as a stenographer and I listened to Joe Biden talking
over and over. I was primarily his stenographer, and at
one point in time I had an idea what was
the worst what was the most evil thing Joe Biden
ever talked about? And I could quite easily picture it.
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He talked at length about his close relationship with a
very bad man named Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick
was a prominent Catholic clergyman in Washington who was abusing
altar boys and seminarians throughout his career. Secretly, Biden used
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to know knew Biden had this guy as basically his
spiritual advisor. So what I did was. I started looking
into White House visitor logs, Well, what about this guy
cardin McCarrick. Was he going in there? Turns out he
was going in there a lot, and he was dealing
directly with Obama and Biden and a guy named Dennis
McDonough who was a White House chief of staff, and
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he was going in and out of the White House
during the time when Pope Benedict resigned and Pope Francis
was basically brought on and McCarrick, as I looked deeper
into it, McCarrick was a very very solid part of
the process in Rome that elected this this Argentinian bishop
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of the Argentinian cardinal to become Pope Francis. Almost as
soon as he was elected, McCarrick began going back and
forth to the Way House and to the Vatican to
talk to this new Pope Francis, and Pope Francis started
basically doing policy for the White House. He did policy
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with the Iran nuclear deal directly. He Obama went and
visited Pope Francis in the Vatican in March of twenty fourteen,
and immediately after that, Pope Francis and McCarrick went to
the what they called the Holy Land, which was Israel,
West Bank and Jordan, and they started promoting what then
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was this great new way of dealing with the Middle East,
and it turned out to be a really terrible way
of dealing with the Middle East because they gave it
tons of money to Iranian terrorists. Mccarick had had long
time relations with Iranians. He had gone to Iran years
earlier and released some hikers that were held in prisoner,
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So he was working behind the scenes with and sort
of this emissary between the Catholic Church and the US
government very suspiciously, and that's where this whole thing came from.
The worst of it came from when mcarrick and Biden
and Obama and the Pope put together something called the
Alliance of Prosperity. In the summer of twenty fourteen, all
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these young kids started coming up at the border and
in the south along the Texas border, and Joe Biden
put together something called the Alliance of Prosperity, which was
basically him giving money to cartel affiliated government officials in
South America our taxpayer money, and they opened up the
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doors for this illegal invasion. When Joe Biden became president
in twenty twenty one, he opened the doors for all
this illegal invasion, illegal immigration invasion, and that came that
came through with help from the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, and you know that's what I'm glad you brought
that up and explained it along those lines. Mike McCormick,
who's doing the empower you seminar tonight on all of
this in Grand and Gloria's detail. The Catholic Church among
other church organizations. I mean, I'm sixty years old. I've
been hearing my whole life, separation of church and state,
separation of church and state, you can't fund the church. Well,
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a lot of these NGOs were getting money to facilitate
the movement of illegal immigrants from the border into the
various communities around here in the United States were run
by the Catholic Church. Is this the connection? This was intentional?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Yes, exactly, it was intentional. It was a connection. It
was set up, and they used the Catholic Church. They
used Pope Francis as what I call morality laundering, so
they made it look like, oh, it's okay, the Pope
says they're migrants, They're not illegal immigrants, and they're still
saying that.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And Vatican City never opened its doors to the general population,
did they.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
No, they say they do, but they push it on
everybody else. They don't pay the heavy lift.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
No, they don't. Now the more nefarious and I'm hoping
almost that you say no, was this mass migration facilitated
by the Biden administration and the Catholic Church? Was it
purposeful to bring in children from molesting? I mean, because
there's a component of that that was going on the
whole time. We all heard about the children who were
being fired across the border, unaccompanied miners, talk about people
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in a dangerous situation. So was there an element of
helping get more young kids into the country so we
could molest them? Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Unfortunately part of it young kids, women were raped along
the border by cartel coyotes. Pope Francis Carlin, mccarrot, Joe Biden,
Barack Obama, Dennis McDonough had a direct that was a
direct result of their policy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now you looked into this, this particular company also had
comments in here about the CIA's involvement. Were they involved
in this as well?
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I think McCarrick was a CIA operative for a long time.
He came up through the ranks in the Catholic Church
quite quite quickly, and he came up through the ranks
at the time when the CIA was actually working with
the Vatican. This is the late forties early fifties. Recent
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documents that have been declassified from the CIA files on
the Kennedy assassination include comments testimony by a guy named Angleton,
and Angleton was a CIA superspy, but he in this
testimony with Senate investigators, he explained, yes, I used to
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work closely with the Vatican and one of the people
I worked which was Pope Paul the sixth. Well, Paul
the sixth was the guy who basically put McCarrick on
this conveyor belt to be a superior priest while he
was molesting. There were a lot of allegations of him
molesting young children and seminarians as he was moving up.
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So the Vatican kind of worked on it, and that
came through the nineties. In the nineties. McCarrick I think
it was either George H. W.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Bush or.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Clinton who sent mcrick into the into the State Department,
and mcrick would go around the world as an Emissary
of Freedom of religion. But he was really working behind
the scenes, and what he was doing was giving away money.
That's what the CIA does. They go around out in
the world and they give away money. And that's how
he got the pope. That's how he got this Argentinian guy,
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Bargolio named as the pope. He gave away money, bribe
Bishop a, bribe cardinals to vote for him.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So as White House stinar, I presume he had a
security clearance.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
No security clearance. It was a public facing job because
it was worth the press office.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Oh how about that. But Michael McCormick again tonight and
Poweroamerica dot org register now register sometime during the day
logim at seven pm and listening to this because we
haven't even scratched the service. One of the other things
that you unfold in your book and almost instamountable evil,
you say that the Biden Barack Obama administrations collaborated with
China to release the Wuhan pandemic on the world. This
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is a completely different, well, I guess, completely different conspiracy
going on here.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, there's two parts to it. It's pretty sinister. What
happened was so I'll just give a quick yeah. In
twenty eleven, I went to China with Joe Biden. That
part of my job was a travel.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He did a speech.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
In Chengdu, China. He said to the Chinese people, you
have too many old people. You have too many old people.
They had a policy in China child policy where every
family could only have one baby for generations and all.
They all of a sudden, they didn't have any young people.
They had all old people and all. He pointed that
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out to them, you have a terrible economic future. Not
eight years later, in August of twenty nineteen, after being
developed in a wu in a lab in Wuhan, China,
the Wuhan virus was released and it killed mostly old people,
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and it also helped Joe Biden become the President of
the United States in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Ah, Mike McCormick, this has been a real eye opener.
I recommend you folks get your book on My executive
producer will add a one two year book on my
blog page fifty five. Casee dot com an almost insurmountable evil.
How Obama's deep state defiled the Catholic Church and executed
the Wuhan pandemic Mike, this has been an eye opening conversation.
It's going to be even more so tonight at seven pm.
I encouraged my listeners to register and then log into
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power America dot org. Appreciate you putting pen to paper
on this one, Mike. It is just amazing what you've uncovered.
Of course, if future here in the fifty five Kersey
Morning Show from time to time local authors. I think
it's really cool that we have local authors. They prove that, yes,
you can write a book, you can get a book published.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
One of the women who's going to explain how that
is done in her impetus behind writing and getting involved
in writing, Beverly Park Williams. It's Beverly. It's a pleasure
to have you on the program today.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Thank you for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh, it's my pleasure. I appreciate you forwarding me a
copy of the book. I will admit upfront, I'm not
going to lie to you. I haven't had an opportunity
to read it yet. I note that the book Parallel
But and Separate, This is the name of your second book,
Parallel and Separate, A Tale of Two Sisters. Does this
book number two involve the same subject matter as your
first book, Separate but Parallel.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
Yes, actually the story both stories are about two sisters,
Janet and Shirley. The first book is really about Shirley,
who was my mother. After I'd moved her into a
nursing home in Anderson Township, I spent a lot of
time with her, and she began to tell me many
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stories for life. And the stories became so numerous. I
purchased a handheld recorder and after more than two years
of recording, I transcribed almost three hundred pages of notes,
and that became the first book.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, and that's I guess primarily one of the reasons
I asked this is not a short book. It's your
your separate book we're talking about today, Parallel and Separate.
It comes in at four hundred and fifty pages. This
is I guess, the story of Shirley and jen At
her sister, Shirley, you said already is your mom. They
were separated very close to birth. I guess your your
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mother was a newborn and your aunt was three years
old when they separated. But they both lived in the
Great ter Cincinnati area, yet had no idea of each
other's existence. As I understand it is that accurate.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Yes, their families, both the father for Janet and the
mother for Shirley, kept it a secrets, so they were separated,
not knowing about one another, to be reunited seventy years later,
seven decades later.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
That is truly amazing. Now, they grew up differently. Not
only were they separated, not only did they not know
each other, and they grew up on opposite sides of
the town. They also were quite different in the socioeconomic upbringing,
were they not?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Yes, they were. Actually Janet was kept by her father
and her father's parents and they lived a fairly middle
class life on the west side. When the grandfather separated
the two sisters, he thought that my mother would go
with their mother and live with their mother's relatives. Unfortunately,
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their mother had been adopted by an elderly couple in
Hyde Park, and both the couple, the grandmother and the
grandfather were in nursing home, So Shirley and her mother
were pretty much left to fend for themselves on the
East side, and Shirley grew up in poverty.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh so, I guess I'm wildly curious. Since they were
sisters obviously genetically linked, did they sort of I hate
these words. Turn out, after seventy years of life, were
they different people, different political philosophies. Obviously, maybe different socioeconomy
because that depends on what they ended up doing for
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a living. But personality wise, was there a consistency or
were they dramatically different people having lived these separate lives
when they finally met each other.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Yeah, that's a great question because they were very different.
Because of Janet growing up on the West Side. Her
family was Catholic, of course, and sent Janet to Catholic girls' school.
My mother and her mother were Protestant, and as they
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came to know one another seventy years later, they realized
that they had very different political views.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, that's kind of the point I was coming I
was going to come to. I'm glad you brought it
up yourself, because I want to pry into politics of it.
So different religious philosophy and then different political philosophies. So
I presume one Democrat one Republican was as simple as
boiling it down to that. Was there something beyond that?
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Now, that's that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
East Side was Republican, right, Yes, just like the West Side.
You can us expect it's going to be from a
Catholic family. Having grown up in del High I'm hip
to that, Beverly. There were two children in my mom
and dad's family, and there were mostly five and six
children in the balance of the neighborhood's family. I'll let
you do the math on who was Catholic and who wasn't.
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So why will my listeners Beverly Williams, author of the
book Parallel and Separate, a tale of two sisters? Why
will my listeners find your family history and the lives
of your mother and her sister growing up severally a
fascinating story worthy of reading, Beverly.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
The reason is truly the setting of Cincinnati. In book
one for my mother and in book two for my
aunt Janet, they bring to the book memories from both
the West Side and the East Side, and I think people,
particularly in the local area, can relate to those memories
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as well as the incredible part of their memories also
of downtown landmarks. So I have to wonder, did they
see each other on Fountain Square? Did they meet one
another on a bus and not know that they were bookers?
And their grandfather and their father where the groundskeepers at
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Coney Island. So Coney Island is a is somewhat of
a focus of both books. Now, in book two, I
had the time. My mother had passed, so I had
the time to do research on where did their father's
ancestors come from? And where did their mother's ancestors come from?
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And I add that detail in book two.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Wonderful. So the very interesting and quite unusual story of
them being separated at such a young agent growing up
in the same town, but you know, not knowing each
other is a vehicle to bring in all of this,
you know, relevant Cincinnati area history poses. How you boil
that down? Yes, exactly, great well local historians and uh,
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I guess maybe Peter Bronson should read a copy of this,
since he writes local history. Relieved by the way, Peter
Bronson's new book was great. I finished it the other day.
You'll love it anyhow, So I want to ask you, Beverly,
what was and and maybe you mentioned it before, and
I'm sorry I didn't process it, but I'm curious to
know why the the Shirley and Janet didn't know each other,
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why they kept this sort of a family secret that
that that you know, they had a y had a
sibling living across town. What happened to prevent you your
mom and her sister from knowing about each other?
Speaker 7 (46:40):
They believed it was somewhat of a shameful issue that
the grandfather had separated the two sisters, especially not allowing
them to get to know one another, not allowing them
the same privileges in life. So is what is the
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reason betid my title? Both sisters grew up obviously separate
from one another, but as they become young working women
and then wives, and then mothers, and even grandmothers and
then widows. During the time that they became reunited, they
realized that truly they were. They had lives more in
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parallel to one another than they initially believed.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
How much time are they able to spend each other?
Did they create a friendship or a strong relationship after
meeting after seventy years? And how long were they around
if they did, in fact spend any time together? How
long were they around to do that.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
They did when they were both in there obviously their seventies.
They wrote to one another, they sent cards, They talked initially,
they tucked on the phone a lot, and had lunches
and dinners and even had spontaneous crypt of Florida together.
But over time, as they become more and more elderly,
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they began to decline in their relationship, and once I
put my mother in a nursing home, their relationship really deteriorated.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I'm sorry to hear that, but at least they got
to spend time together, learn about each other, and you
got this fascinating story that obviously we're compelled to write about.
To the budding authors out there, people who think, oh,
there's no way I'm ever going to get published, can't
do it, how did you manage to is this? These
are the first books you've written?
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Yes, okay they are.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's well, that's an accomplishment and in of itself. So
what kind of what recommendation is a local author? And
is it obviously a not well published yet anyway would
you give to people who might be inspired to write
a book or maybe who have been thinking about that,
what would you say to them?
Speaker 7 (48:55):
I would say go for it. I would say, if
you have a story that you believe in and can
add to it details and add to it some conversations
and interactions, especially with other people and settings like Cincinnati.
I was fascinated by places in Cincinnati. Both my mother
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and my aunt Janet talked about I never knew of ye,
so I was able to go around the city and say, oh,
I didn't know about that, but what a wonderful area.
My Aunt Janet was fascinated with Miami Whitewater Forest. I
had never heard of that. So it was fun doing
the book, doing the research, and suddenly you have pages
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and pages of good information to share.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Well, that's great, I guess today, Beverly Park William's local
author Parallel and Separate Book two A tell it two
sisters learn about the Greater Cincinnatier are generally speaking of
this fascinating tale of the women who separated at a
very young age and lived in the same town. You
didn't even know of each other's existence. Beverly, It's been
a sweet opportunity to speak with you this morning, and
I appreciate you writing the book and inspiring other local
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authors maybe put pen to paper, as the case may be,
and put their own work together getting it published maybe
another thing. How are you able to get your book published,
Beverly Williams.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
Before we part company, so initially with the first book,
I went through Amazon through their publishing operation. With this
second book, I actually used Ingram Spark. And the reason
I did is one of the book stores in Milford said, well,
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you know all the bookstores purchase their books through Ingram Spark,
who is the distributor of books. So I said, oh, okay,
So I invented that and published through Ingram Spark. And
I have been going around bookstores asking them to please
purchase my book.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Of course, that's how you get it out in the
world of Beverly and you become a well published author.
And I wish you all the best as you moved
toward that endeavor, and I hope people will enjoy the
book Parallel and Separate a Tael two Sisters. That'd be
a book two. You can read book one as well.
Conversation with g Van Fleet, the author of Mao's America,
A Survivor's Warning. She was born in China and lived
through the Cultural Revolution. Actually got sent to work in
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the countryside at age sixteen for what they called re education.
Following Mao's death, she was able to go to college
and eventually come to the United States for graduate study.
She has lived in the United States since nineteen eighty six.
She delivered a speech in twenty twenty one in the
Louden County, Virginia school Board against critical race theory. That
speech went viral, ignited a national conservative media attention, and
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she has since written a book which You've got to get,
Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. G Van Fleet, Welcome to
the fifty five Kresy Morning Show. It's a distinct pleasure
to have you on today.
Speaker 8 (51:54):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I guess I'm kind of curious before we dive on
in tonight's are in what you are seeing frighteningly so
here in America. You left China in nineteen eighty six
to do graduate studies here. What was your impression of
the Tenneman Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine as a
someone so familiar with what it was like in China
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at the time. Honestly, from my American perspective, I was
so excited up until the massacre. The crowds were gathering,
they had symbols of the United States Statue of Liberty.
I thought China was going to go full on capitalists,
but no, that's when the massacre took place. What were
you thinking at the time.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Yeah, I was here. I was Florida, Yeah, attending college there,
and I because I was indoctrinated my whole entire life
until the last minute, I did not believe that the
army would open fire to the students because we were taught,
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you know, the army is the people's army. They protect people.
That was a very very important moment for me, and
I lost all remaining hope or or you're losing about
the CCP. But the tragedy is that soon after that,
the whole world forgot about it. They forgot the thousands
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of students who were killed. And then they do business
as usure and they imported, they transfer technology, they import
uh In, They put so much investment there and because
they just want to get money out of China. And
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now look at today today, we really build China and
it become now it becomes our number one threat.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Well, and we can follow the the you know, the
eros on how that came about beginning with Save Nixon's
administrations normalizing trade with China. Obviously with China was not
friends with the Soviet Union. At the time, it seemed
like it was in our best interest maybe for the
goal of flipping China to capitalism, like giving him a
taste of the experience. But we've seen what happens since then,
we offshore manufacturing. China has dominated, like for example, the
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climate industry, which I'll get to in a minute. But
you point out the people who were slaughtered a tenements,
where were the youth and the Chinese Communist Party in
part of the Marxist philosophy is to weaponize youth, as
you'll point out tonight in greater detail, and use them
as a means to their ends. That clearly is what's
going on here. But this was sort of weaponizing the
youth in China against the oppressive Communist or MAOIs government.
Speaker 8 (54:40):
Yes, tonight, I are talking in more details just as
you said, and that is called the Red Guard of
Chairman Maou. And they weaponized the indoctrinated youth to do
his bit or what he wanted to achieve. He wanted
to overthrow the Chinese government, his own government, because he
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thought he was losing power. Just for his own gain.
He was willing to sacrifice all the youth and then
bring down the entire country and uh and by the
time of his death, China was in the brink of
total collapse. We were living in object poverty, and that's
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what communism brought to Chinese people. But Chinese people seem
to forget, and Americans seems to forget.
Speaker 9 (55:32):
The whole world.
Speaker 8 (55:33):
Seems to forget. It's the same Communist party that's ruling
China today, and they always always regard America as number
one enemy. Now they don't even hide it. Now we
see they're true intentions. But it's never changed. It's always
that way. We just failed to understand because we don't
want to understand.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
We don't want to understand. We don't want to give
up our tiktoks even fleet because you know, hey, how
we have to have this which which is a source
of indoctrination. I've been saying, and maybe you can confirm
from a listening audience that I've been right on all this.
My belief is and there are multiple different weapons of
war that don't involve shooting each other, one of which
is in doctrination via social media, which the Chinese Communist
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Party seems to dominate and own. They are looking at
every element of our society and trying to divide us.
You mentioned, I mean I mentioned before you did that
speech in front of the Louden kind of Virginia school
Board against critical race theory that divides Americans among themselves.
We can't even unite amount underneath our own flag because
well it's an inherently racist society. Well that's just one
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the LGBTQ plus division. Ruining the nuclear family, I mean
climate change as a concept. The Chinese love the idea
that we are just ruining our own economies chasing a
carbon free environment while they build coal plants every single day.
They have to be laughing at us.
Speaker 8 (56:57):
G absolutely, and I always this is something I have
been really trying, really hard to weaken up America. The
real thread is not the CCP. The real thread is
the American Marxist It's the Democratic Party. And because everything
the CSP was able to do is because they were
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allowed to do, they're encouraged to do and do what
to enrich themselves and hollow out America manufacturer basis. And
it's all a plaud to weaken America, to take down America.
So the enemy is here, The enemy is the enemy within.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Gee van Fleet should be speaking tonight again. Empower you
America dot org log in. It's log in remote view only,
so make sure you're registered to hit the ground running
at seven PM. I get the impression and your passion
behind what your message is is so profound. You have
no yet given up on America. We do need to
wake up. What what do we need to do? How
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do we fight back other than recognize this ridiculous, obvious
manipulation of of the hearts and minds of our apparently
ignorant young people.
Speaker 8 (58:14):
Yeah, they're ignorant because we have lost the control our
educational system. It's over one hundred years that the Marxist
communists have been in control of our education system, from
college to public school, now to kindergarten. What they teach,
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they teach, they don't teach, They indoctrinate. Yes, and so
today you know, so, how can they How can we
have a communist mayor in New York City and in Seattle.
It's not that we had bad people like among Danny
and that woman whatever her name is. It's because the
voters choose them. The voters were so indoctrinated. They have
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no idea about real history, they have no idea about
the horrors of communism, and they hate America. And that's
why they were able to use the use for what
it is and get power. And that is our real issue.
The issue is that we have to re educate. Here's
the word the America used to help them to understand
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they live in the freest country in the world and
their freedom can be lost if they don't understand it.
And they, of course they don't understand it. They are
not for freedom, they are for free stuff. That is
our problem.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
G Van Fleet profound words elaborated on the night at
seven pm empower Youamerica dot org. Something it sounds like,
destroy you from within. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Yes, yes, yes,
I take ze Van Fleet. I want to thank you
from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing.
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Speaker 10 (01:00:19):
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Speaker 11 (01:00:21):
The first week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
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Going to happen.
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Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I am honored, blessed uh to have in studio Sarah
Herringer and apologies right out of the gates, Sarah, I
have been saying herring jurror since your story broke June fourth,
when she lost her husband to a horrific murder in
their apartment over the Rhine. No need to do all
the details on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering
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from the aftermath of that. But Sarah Heringery, it is
great having you in city to talk about some of
the problems that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst
and most horrific of problems in what happened on June fourth.
But as we were talking before the segment started, the
idea of crime in over the rhyme, you've had plenty
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of experience with it. This isn't something new.
Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
It's not something new.
Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
It's been something that's been building and accumulating for quite
some time, and at this point we are seeing the
fruits of the labor of the city leadership really being
harvested or coming to its fullness right now. This is
not something where all of a sudden in the summer
of twenty twenty.
Speaker 12 (01:01:38):
Five, wow we have crime issues.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah yeah, well, you know earlier in the program just
to think before the top of the our news break
and I had mentioned this that I brought it up.
We didn't just wake up in the city one day
and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
problem that's been building for a long long time, a.
Speaker 13 (01:01:58):
Really long time to my understanding, even back to two
thousand and eight where they're recession so hiring freeze. But
those are things that you're able to project and see coming.
And any type of business, a private corporation would not
just stand by and just be like, oh oh well,
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or not have to change their strategy in order to
recruit to.
Speaker 12 (01:02:25):
Compensate for that deficit. This is not something. I mean,
there's been a really long runway.
Speaker 13 (01:02:30):
To be able to predict and see where there's going
to be a lack of police force, and there just
hasn't been any action or necessary action, the right kind
of action to fix it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person. When you
put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
city is safety.
Speaker 12 (01:02:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
in the city, in order to courage any business to
invest in the city, you're going to have to have
at least a perception of a very safe city. So
failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
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depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
Speaker 13 (01:03:17):
Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
not currently in a situation where there's not money for
public safety. The money is being given elsewhere. It's not
it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
And I mean safety is a is a basic human need. Yeah,
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like it's we're not we're not asking for you know,
the whole Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here,
We're asking for safety.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are
we live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things,
and as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out of
nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living hell
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out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight led
out to it. Absolutely, it's so appalling. That's that's why
so many people click on it.
Speaker 13 (01:04:21):
I think, yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there
had been a fight between two grown men, the mob
response to it, and then the woman who was beat
just by it and by just standing there and checking
like that, those are You're just like, what has happened?
Speaker 12 (01:04:38):
Why are we? Why are people acting like this?
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Why?
Speaker 13 (01:04:42):
Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
twice about?
Speaker 12 (01:04:48):
Well, no hesitation.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Clearly the folks involved in and thought nothing about it.
And again that maybe the reflection of a broader societal problem.
But amid this seemingly broader societal break down, if you
want to call it, the evolution or problem we're facing
with just lack of morals, ethics, logic, and reason. That's
at the time when you need the police. That's when
you need more of it. You need a bigger police presence.
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You need apparently by all reports, three o'clock in the
morning Saturday, when this is out three total officers available.
Speaker 13 (01:05:19):
Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
us as well. Uh And how is that safe for
the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
good question, you know, like it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Thinks about the safety of the police. You think of
the safety of the community.
Speaker 12 (01:05:40):
But now and they're they're human beings.
Speaker 13 (01:05:42):
It's like what, Yeah, if there is something like that
going on, and it tends to I mean even we've
seen with juveniles it being like more of a mob
type thing. If you are are one officer and backup
is minutes away or not or air yeah, not there
at all, what are you going to do? It's unfair
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for them.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It really is. And you know, I had never really
put myself in the position of a police officer having
to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people, Like,
you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
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up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
over the right.
Speaker 13 (01:06:33):
We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
those ten we've lived in OTR.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
And you decided you invested in the community.
Speaker 12 (01:06:41):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Your late husband's business was right there by Family Market
as I understand it. Yep.
Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
to be one of those people who was like, oh,
we have a business downtown, but.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Moving off to the suburbs yea when you go.
Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Home, exactly.
Speaker 13 (01:07:00):
We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
in because I think that's far more powerful for people
to do that.
Speaker 12 (01:07:06):
That's what community is.
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Well. I get a sense you embraced the idea of
doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
passion for the city.
Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Absolutely, but actually you know to to choose to invest
your dollars there, you thought that was obviously a worthy endeavor.
Did at some point of leading up to June fourth,
did you come to a conclusion that well, maybe you
might have made the wrong decision in that regard.
Speaker 13 (01:07:34):
Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
the city is not safe like that, that is very apparent.
And there have been times over the years where, uh,
you know, this is not the.
Speaker 12 (01:07:49):
First interaction with crime.
Speaker 13 (01:07:51):
Unfortunately obviously not ones with such great consequences, But there
have been times where we're like, you know what, if
maybe we had opened our business out in the suburbs,
you know, there wouldn't be these headaches.
Speaker 12 (01:08:05):
There wouldn't be.
Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
But I the thing that we that I've always loved
about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (01:08:12):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 13 (01:08:13):
And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
don't see it's the city is so unique and the
fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
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this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
back to the people and they've allowed for them to
come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
everyone downtown they want to support local business.
Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
They don't want to go to chains.
Speaker 13 (01:08:56):
And that's the reason why we chose downtown is because
it's like starting a business. There's a lot of risk
to it, and you can see it's very evident in
the heart of everyone downtown that they want it to thrive.
And the local business owners are the reason why Cincinnati
got to where it's at. And unfortunately, the leaders that
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we have elected to protect our investment and protect the
community are also going to be the ones where it
ultimately comes down to us saying we've got to leave.
We can't just keep investing in something that you don't
protect and you don't honor the way that we've chosen
to What can we do?
Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
the program every week, and one of his mantras his
repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with, if
I can phrase it that way, the city leadership for
their failure to out loud and regularly support the idea
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of the police working with the police, telling the police
that the population generally that the police are not They're
not bad people. They're in fact a wonderful organization that
really is there to help you, and so we work
with them, let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration
has been deafening along those lines until, like said, I'm
surprised it didn't pop up right after June fourth, But
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in the aftermath of what happened on Saturday, now you're
seeing even folks like Aftab Purvoll talk about crime being
the most important thing we need to address and deal with.
Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
Speaker 13 (01:10:36):
Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure,
and I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
of the reason for their silence and their faired outloud
support police and failure to be forward thinking and keeping
the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable level
might be because of the left wing wing of the
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Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink the
police department. So let's pause, We'll bring Sarah Herringerr back
and we'll have further good discussion. She is in studio
for the full hour, and I can't thank her enough
for stopping in and addressing these issues so important to
every resident of the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Fifty five KRC.
Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Wuido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered on the fourth
of June this year in their apartment over the Rhine,
and we're not going to dwell on that, but it's
the predicate for her being on the program this morning,
but also the predicate for her I would say, wonderful activism.
You have been an outspoken critic of the problems we're
talking about here in the city of Cincinnati since that happened,
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and it's terrible that that had to lead to this,
But I think you're doing a great job of elevating
to everyone else's attention some of the big thingsailures we have.
I saw your post the other day about the judicial system,
and I were talking about that before the program began,
and that's one of the big failures the judicial system.
Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
We have.
Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
These you know, for one of a better term, you
can call them what you want. I'm going to say
liberal judges. I think they've been convinced that the criminal
justice system is somehow unfair and that for whatever reason,
bonds are a bad thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds,
and that meeting out justice for people who have actually
been convicted or have you know, plead guilty or pled
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guilty rather to any given crime aren't given enough time.
It's almost like a handslap, don't do it again, and
lo and behold, there they are back in court again,
are involved with the police again. So that's one that
I think that's the biggest problem that we face by
way of challenge. If we all got on board and
we all said, yes, we need more police, we're going
to do more lateral hires, we're going to refill the ranks,
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we're going to start better patrolling. We'll come up with
all the solutions for the police department to do whatever's
within their power to do. If there's nobody on the
tail end providing the justice that's necessary, the deterrence effect
that's part of the justice system, then it's a pointless gesture.
And I know you have talked to officers and uh
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and I told you before My sister's a retired police officer.
She still has a lot of friends and they stay
in time. And I've talked to other people and uh,
we had a judge on yesterday. Betsy Sunderman also the
same conclusion that morale is in the toilet and police
don't have any incentive to actually do their job and
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enforce the law.
Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Absolutely, yeah, you do.
Speaker 13 (01:13:36):
You see, uh, you know, not in the information that
I posted is that's just scratching the surface. That that
is you know, some cases that we were able to
get a hold of it and show, but it's just
showing a trend. You know, it's a single data point,
but it's showing a trend of what the jujitsial system
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is is doing and they how they are interpreting the
law and really taking matters into their own hands instead
of it's like, if you're going to do that, then
where is the critical thinking. You're not supposed to write
like it's supposed to be interpretation of the law, but
you're just letting these people out.
Speaker 12 (01:14:15):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 13 (01:14:17):
And the truth is is there are very few people
who are doing most of the crimes. It's not that
you know, and that is why you're seeing them over
and over and over again, and there is no deterrence
for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati. They criminals
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are making fools of them. They are not afraid of
the cops, they are not afraid of judges. They are
are killing. There's a murder every single night. And also
the crime that is happening, all of those can easily
escalate to murder. So even when the chief of police
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is saying, well we only have five percent of crime
as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the other crimes
that are happening can very easily turn into that. And
there they there is no fear happening like this. You
know what happened to Patrick. We were not out on
the streets. We were sleeping at our home. Yeah, and
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he entered our home expecting right, Yes.
Speaker 12 (01:15:32):
Like not worried about it at all. Yes, quite honestly.
Speaker 13 (01:15:37):
And when you have when you have a certain population
that none of us can think the way they think,
there's there you know, that's the whole thing. We even
when you're talking about people who want to be lenient
on criminals, we don't.
Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
Have the mind of them.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That's a good point.
Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
We we like that that is not we We wouldn't
do something right in the.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Right mind, would kick a door in in the middle
of the night, knowing full well that someone was occupying
that dwelling, you know, And if that were to happen
in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm a proponent of
the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right. I'm a
consumed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms in my home.
I'm prepared for that situation, you see.
Speaker 12 (01:16:28):
And it's is you know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
It speaks volumes and being woken up at four o'clock
in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm glad
you made that point out lawd it's time for a break.
We're gonna continue this discussion because I want you to
enlighten my listeners about some of the other crime that
you personally and your late husband experience leading up to
June fourth, because I think some of my listeners will
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be quite surprised about what I believe you described as
feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing thing stuff, folks.
It's seven twenty five right now. We'll be right back
with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away. Fifty five the talk
station you don't think of there seven twenty nine here
fifty five KCD talk station tried to have a happy
Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the subject matter we're
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dealing with here, and it is a tragedy that gave
rise to my conversation this morning here with Sarah Heringer
in studio lost her husband to murder in their own
home four o'clock in the morning, which is obviously an
illustration of at least one of the many problems we
have in the city Cincinnati with crime. And you know
this can be a learned behavior. Sarah. You were telling
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me about some of the crime that you and your
late husband experienced leading up to the fourth because you've
been in that area for about seven years plus or minus.
You had your business started there, so you had a
lot of interactions with, you know, folks in the community,
good and bad. Let my listeners know about some of
the what you described, and I thought it was a
great way you phrased at these feral gangs of children
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that you had encountered regularly.
Speaker 13 (01:17:59):
YEA, every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
there's uh here they come and you see packs of children,
and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
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around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
nine of them and there's one teenager you know, that's
in charge of all of them. And there's not a
parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like, oh,
it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights out
in Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (01:18:39):
Just our summer's here are amazing.
Speaker 13 (01:18:41):
It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
running amok and there's zero supervision, parenting, consideration for their
safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice in
the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last seven
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plus years.
Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
people who work with you know, human services and trying
to provide a better path in a better way. I mean,
it is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more
discussions I even can remember about that. And without fail,
almost one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at
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the criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of
the loss of the nuclear family. The fact that these
children don't live in a loving environment, even just if
it's one parent. And I think that I mean that
right there, what you said, that they're somewhere where this
child ultimately goes and calls home, that there's not a
person there fretting and worrying over the fact that they're
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eight nine year old child isn't home by midnight even
Oh yeah, absolutely, on in any given night, I don't
care if it's Saturday or Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
No.
Speaker 13 (01:19:55):
Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
that's where it starts. That's why even you know, thinking
that prison is going to reform people, it's like prison
does not reform anyone. And you have to start back
at that age, back at that point. That starting point
is is really where it begins is with children.
Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
Speaker 13 (01:20:16):
Absolutely, there has to be consequences, and there really are none.
And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually.
Speaker 12 (01:20:31):
Have none, what are you teaching them?
Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
system that way as well. If you're going to go
ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
the material in the grade they're in. They're not going
to learn anything, but they will learn that regardless of
how little effort they put into the project, they're going
to get moved forward.
Speaker 12 (01:20:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
to him as a junior arsonists.
Speaker 13 (01:21:02):
Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
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maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on fire.
And when the fire marshall, who did an exceptional job
finding them catching them right away, it was not their
first offense. The one, the kid who had actually set
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fire to the boxes, that was his third arson charge,
and in between the time of him being caught and
booked for arson of our truck and showing up for
his first day of court, he had also been tagged
with a agglevated burglary attempt, and so the this is
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a juvenile and you know, even if we want to
talk about the juvenile court system, I mean that the
whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first, punished second.
But that started back when kids were shoplifting, not when
they were doing the type of crime that they are
committing now.
Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
And including gun crime.
Speaker 13 (01:22:26):
Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
not the type that you're you know, a child that
has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
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not the same outcomes, right, clearly, clearly, and uh you know,
get the getting the child, getting the kid to even
show up. We did press charges because we're like, listen,
you set our truck on fire. And this was not
the first time you did this. This was not a oh,
I'm gonna see what happens, and right, yeah, this is
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something that you're intentionally doing. They knew to cover their faces.
They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
they're well versed in this. And then clearly I thought
nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
going through the court process and you see that they
don't show up. It ended up being far more of
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a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick getting subpoenaed
all the time, and he's like, no.
Speaker 12 (01:23:35):
I don't want to charge the parents' money.
Speaker 13 (01:23:37):
I want this kid to stop being a menace to society.
And there's nothing in the system to hold them accountable.
So we ended up just being like, ah, just you know,
leave it like it's I can't keep being subpoena and
stop everything that I'm doing. It had been well more
than a year and we're still dealing with this. And
the other thing was in the summer of twenty three,
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and this this was a really big issue. We're in
the market district, family market area and our business was
broken into multiple times. Now multiple businesses, over nine businesses
in that market area had been broken into. There is
a bar that ended up having to go out of
business because they were broken into so many times. At
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some point you're like, you can't You're going to be unensurable.
You can't keep firing or filing. And we, you know,
the business owners we had congregated, we were we were
meeting with city council trying to get help, trying to
get help. I ended up having to go to the
media then as well in order to get any type
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of response from the city. And then they put a
beat cop down there during the day so people coming
in would feel safe. And it's like that is not
when criminals are doing crime. So again it's already then
we see optics and not doing the work to protect
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the business owners of that area. And the truth is
there was no policing done. We had on our instance,
they sent over a cop. She had a tiny little notepad. Uh,
you were broken into, no fingerprints, we had cameras, they
did not ask for footage at all. There was nothing
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as far as looking for the actual person. And then
there was one one guy who was arrested, the one
who actually did the break in. One night, we had
seven people break in at once because the one guy
broke in and multiple people came in. Patrick had to go,
my husband had to go and find that person and
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have choice words because he kept trying to break in
during business hours. Even there's no the criminals do not
fear police, they do not fear repercussions. And so Patrick
and that's you know, handled it in a way. He's
a pretty intimidating looking guy. And you know, the other
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guy didn't come back, but he even went to the
police and was like, I can show you where he is.
And the one that they they did end up arresting,
who truly was mentally ill and really didn't do a
lot of harm. I actually got a letter last week.
It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey, this guy didn't
show up for his court dates, so we've warrant to
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you know, we've worn out for his arrest and if
you need anything, called the victim's advocate. And it's it's like,
it's just a it's a clown show the whole thing.
You're like, there isn't going to be justice with the
current system that's happening. There's no follow through. And yeah,
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I think you know there is even down to a
point which we talked about earlier, and apathy that is
coming that is so clear from the police department at
this point because they're humans, and how many times can
you just see the same criminal release before you're like,
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Heringer back for a couple
more segments here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show,
Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
who might decide to start working on some solution. And
speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
some of the ones that they have put in place
and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
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fruit along the positive lines direction. Seven thirty nine Right now,
fifty five KRCIT Talk Station OCAUEH fifty five KARC dot com.
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Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brent
Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
talking about problems in hearing in the system, and I
think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community activism
is supposed to be going on, funded by a government
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that's to address the problems that we're talking about today?
Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act.
Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Act Initiative initiative.
Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
lot of you know, really passionate flowy language, you know,
trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
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beautiful for the community and that everyone would want.
Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (01:28:36):
However, the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
the numbers that I found is about five and a
half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
taxpayer money, right, like, that's everything the government pays for
is our money. And uh, there is zero line by
line on where.
Speaker 12 (01:28:56):
This money is being spent.
Speaker 13 (01:28:58):
We know it's going to non profits, we know it's
going to consultants, but there's also no metrics for success
attached to it. How will you know something is working?
Where is the transparency on accountability? All of this money
that's being put into you know, giving out sandwiches and
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hip hop classes, how is that deterring gun violence?
Speaker 12 (01:29:22):
And how can you prove.
Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
That this money being spent is doing exactly what it
says that it's going to be doing. And there just
is zero follow through metrics, accountability, transparency, And it extends
far beyond just the act initiative. There's really no published
data betwind spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs
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that they the police have told me this that they
just keep renaming but they already know doesn't work. But
they need to put money somewhere. And that is a
big problem, is is they just keep funding and putting
things and you know, paying people salaries.
Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
we brought, you cut the ribbon, and then never talk
about it again.
Speaker 12 (01:30:12):
No, absolutely no follow through.
Speaker 13 (01:30:14):
Do we know what we're doing is working and this
is how we're going to measure it and if it's not,
then we already have a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes
you need some trial and error in order to get
things to work, recognize, but you have to have the
accountability and transparency. And I think that is the number
one issue that we are seeing with our local government
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is there is zero of that. There is zero transparency,
there's zero accountability, and they are not measuring or tracking.
And so you might even have well intended and good people,
but they're not competent enough to measure the outcomes of
something because they don't exist and they think they're doing
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a great job and they're not. And the results, as
we've seen in Cincinnati, speak for itself.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
You know the crime levels.
Speaker 13 (01:31:04):
I think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever
their funding is not working.
Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
So yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not.
You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
but for but they're still on the upswech yes, we're
not getting better than last year. We're getting worse.
Speaker 13 (01:31:25):
Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the downtown OTR area
that is really skyrocketed in crime.
Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
And destroying what they the very thing that they were
looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now I'm
old enough I worked in over the Rhine at Finley
Market when I was in late high school in early college.
That was before any money was in. It was just
really kind of comparatively a disaster visually anyway, But honestly,
I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
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or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
there at five o'clock in the morning warning and sometimes
you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes, I
was underage. They didn't really care back then and maybe
not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was there
in different hours, but never I never was concerned parked
on the street walk by myself to my car. I
wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
Speaker 13 (01:32:16):
No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then, however, Yeah,
I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
And this is because of right the current leadership that
we have.
Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
And I imagine it is probably having an impact on
real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent six
hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get that
back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and the
motive behind it to get young money earning taxpayers to
move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that they
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talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
Why because they embraced this sort of liberal philosophy when
it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
We'll have a few more minute. It's with Sarah Herringer.
Take a quick break. Here be right back fifty five KRC,
the talk station. I'm seven fifty one, fifty five KRC
the talk station, closing out this hour long discussion with
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Sarah Herringer, the widow of Patrick Herringer, and we've been
talking about the aftermath of the tragedy that happened to
their home on June fourth, when someone broke into their
home in the middle of the night, four o'clock in
the morning and stabbed her late husband to death. And
this has given her a platform to bring to everyone's attention,
most notably those who might not be inclined to vote
in an election. I will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah.
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I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but
at least you know you're in a position because of
this that people are paying attention to what you're saying. Right,
You're a provider of valuable information, and with the spotlight
on you, people are like, oh my god. I did
not know that was going on. I did not know
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that we had no accountability with these program I didn't
realize the judicial system was this broke when we got
judges releasing these repeat offenders over and over again. So
I know my listening audience, and I certainly applaud your
efforts in doing this, because in spite of the tragedy,
you have to deal with and continue to cope with
at least you have the limelight for a while. Do
you think there is any possibility as we fast approach
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the November election, we have a complete Democrat council and
I don't think that necessarily means that they are against
police or not. But we know over the past forty
years what has happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're
down on police numbers. We know they didn't get ahead
of the police department numbers loss. We know that they
in some cases maybe of allocated resources that should have
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gone to law enforcement or public safety in other directions.
Do you think there's still hope for the city? I mean,
would an administration change or a shake up on the
membership of council or maybe the mayor. And I know
it's an unlikely scenario that the city's going to start
maybe turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a
seat change on council and leadership might help?
Speaker 13 (01:35:07):
I would have to say yes that a seat change
would help. I also want to be critical of those
who just think if we changed over the entire regime,
then these problems would just go away overnight.
Speaker 12 (01:35:24):
It's still power.
Speaker 13 (01:35:25):
That is being abused and what's really important for people
to understand and to learn how to navigate when we're
intentionally not tadd this. As Americans, you get a Civics
class in ninth grade when you're too young and you
don't care, and the rest of your time is spent
on STEM. You only learn about the political system if
you choose to major as a political science major. But
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there needs to be a demand of transparency and accountability
for whomever is in leadership, and the leadership now they
they could change, you know, if we go back to
cancel culture even it's like, why don't you give people
an opportunity to make changes and show us can they
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or will they?
Speaker 12 (01:36:13):
And if they won't, then yeah.
Speaker 13 (01:36:15):
I think that's a pretty good argument for getting someone
out and giving someone who is saying that they're in
alignment with your values and want what you want a
really good chance.
Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
And it is the truth. You may not get that entirely.
Speaker 13 (01:36:31):
And so I don't think we should put all of
our eggs in one basket of we need a complete
new regime, We need an entirely new leadership. We also
need to learn how to use our voices to hold
those accountable who are there.
Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
am take a cheap shot at after have Purwall when
he leaves town after knowing full well there has been
a terribly violent occurrence in the city, and he decides
to leave in the afternoon and go on vacation anyway, Yes,
I said that out loud. I'm not putting words in
Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it speaks volumes about
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a failed administration. Sarah. I I am a listening audience,
and I pray for you, you know, for your swift
recovery in the aftermath. It's very an emotional time for you.
But again, I really truly applaud your efforts and trying
to get people engaged and involved. And if you could
ask something of my listening audience, I mean, what would
you say, I mean, be more like me and bring
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this to people's attention, talk about it more. I mean,
any advice or something you would ask of them, Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 12 (01:37:31):
I wouldn't tell them to be more like me.
Speaker 13 (01:37:33):
I would say I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
for sure. But these are really important things and people.
I do believe that most people are good people. They're
doing the best that they can, and we all want
safe you know, safe homes, safe communities, a place for
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us to have a good life, for us to create
beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Sarah Herringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
and I hope you continue. You got a good voice,
you have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
of people generally speaking for what you're doing and the
courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
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up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
place a phone call here to the fifty five krs
more and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
love having the studio.
Speaker 12 (01:38:48):
Yep, We'll come anytime.
Speaker 10 (01:38:50):
Today's top headlines coming up at the top.
Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Of the hour.
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The changes every minute fifty.
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Five krz the talk station hour or more yesterday on
this man's Facebook page. You should follow him on Facebook.
Andrea an Dre Andre ewing for retired since St police officer,
thirty years of service to our community. Proud of that
he is and he continues to advocate. He is the
founder of a called Curse Breakers, three hundred strong and
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Death Row Ministries. UH Police Peace Officer Deactivation Specialist Andre
ewing Man, I am so pleased you came in to
talk to us this morning. It's pleasure to have you
in the studio.
Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
Thank you, brother Brian. I appreciate it. I'm so glad
to be here. And I'm on fire. You are on fire, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
And that's what was so cool about what you were saying,
speaking truth to power, passionate and your reaction to the
violence in the city of Cincinnati, which it sounds I
mean it's almost as if you knew it was coming
because you posted a video on the twenty fourth criticizing
the administration. You were at Police Chief threes Thiji and
you know all about it because you're a police officer
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for that period of time. Share along. You went after
the mayor officials demanding a change in administration because clearly
we're on the wrong path. And then one day later,
look what happens in downtown Cincinnati. So you had a
nice follow up to that one. So let my listeners
know where you are on all this Andre.
Speaker 10 (01:40:13):
Absolutely, it's disgusting, disgusting.
Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
Just listening to Chief Thiji's interview yesterday, it was absolutely ridiculous.
We are a nationwide joke right now in Cincinnati, the
issues of talking about you only had uh two officers
respond that was dispatched. That was in the central Business section,
and she even said, over one hundred thousand people and
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you're dispatching cars to a scene where there's so many
people and vehicles. But here here we have around the
country where people are getting ran over. Why wasn't those
streets just completely blocked off that there were no vehicle
traffic number one so the officers can get there and
there's no officers on.
Speaker 10 (01:41:02):
Foot in the area. Absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
It took us six minutes to get there, which you know,
in terms of response time. I don't know if that's
good or bad, but you're talking about a downtown Cincinnati
that's got three major events going on, and people don't
just pack up and go home at eleven pm when
the rock when the music stops, they head over the
door district and go into the bars. And so they're
going to be into the bars until the bars are
going to close. So you have obviously a lot of
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people that are going to be pouring into that neighborhood.
You would expect it to be police all over, and
that's what you were advocating for on your on your
Facebook posts. How come there were police on the on
the corners of the street in an area where you knew,
damn well, there's going to be a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 9 (01:41:40):
My point exactly, why didn't you have police on every corner,
saturated to tell people welcome to Cincinnati, wave at people.
Speaker 10 (01:41:52):
But no, why because.
Speaker 9 (01:41:53):
Administration did not allocate the proper units downtown to deactivate
things like.
Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
This or just to prevent them from happening by their
mere presence. Absolutely, yeah, and that you know the police
presidence is so critical. Now respond to this, and I'm
not really playing devil's advocate because I'm in full agreement
with your perception at what should have gone down. But
her response. Police Chief Thigi's response might be, well, we're understaffed.
They only had three officers at that moment in time,
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at three o'clock in the morning that were even available
to respond. That's a pretty sizable area. And of course
with all those people there, clearly three officers ain't gonna
cut it exactly.
Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
So if you know you're gonna be understaffed prior to
then wouldn't you make the proper adjustments beforehand? We knew
a year out this event is coming to town, and
you see the things that are curring, but yet you
did not plan effectively and had no type of strategy.
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So that should tell you once again leadership map and
in this case, leadership failed.
Speaker 10 (01:43:02):
And what do you have?
Speaker 9 (01:43:04):
Total chaos in the city of Cincinnati. I told them before,
you must want Gotham City. And I've always said on
my post, who's next?
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Who's next? There? But for the grace of God go
anybody that goes downtown. And I know you had some
really pointed comments and warnings to my white friends out
in the listening audience about what they should prepare for
and maybe shouldn't even bother going downtown because I think
that's your choice. As well. He said major events like that,
you're not going to get anywhere near.
Speaker 10 (01:43:34):
Them, absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (01:43:37):
We see what's going on even locally and abroad nationwide,
and if the police are not setting things up for
us to feel safe and secure. And I walk into
a situation and I see angry people, I see situations happening,
and I just want to come out of an establishment
and just walk down the street, and I may have
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an alter and the next thing you know, me and
my friends may get completely beat down, and the narrative
of being twisted, which is very interesting that I've seen.
Speaker 10 (01:44:10):
If this was an.
Speaker 9 (01:44:11):
Entire all white mob on a black person, it would
be considered a.
Speaker 10 (01:44:17):
Hate crime from the get go, from the get go.
Speaker 9 (01:44:20):
But even Chief Fiji set there and said, this fight,
this fight, We do know who it is. Turn yourself in, no,
put these individuals on blast, name them by name, Let
the people in the community know this behavior is unacceptable.
So if it was actually disgusting to her, why are
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you requesting they turned themselves in versus putting their picture
on TV and saying this is who it is and
we're coming to get you.
Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
We'll bring back Andre Outstanding seven thirty six right now,
if you've got a casity, the suxiations stick around.
Speaker 11 (01:44:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
The party's just getting started. Outstanding, outspoken Andrea Ewing. Follow
him on Facebook, check out his videos. He pulls literally
no punchings at all. Andre. You know, I apologize I
didn't get a chance to see your most recent post,
but caption all in caps. This makes me sick. City
leaders calling in the lincoln Ware shows saying the white
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man got the action he deserves. Now, I had heard
that that some people said that this was totally justifiable.
And I don't know what led to the ultimate melee
and beat down of these people, but I can't come
up with a single action that could justify that mob behavior.
How could anybody suggest that that man or the woman
who got punched square in the face deserved what they got.
Speaker 9 (01:45:45):
Exactly, There is no justification, period, zero justification. And when
you look at that and the comments that were called
in into the lincoln Ware Show, when you can read
the comments and people saying, yeah, that's would he get
you bring the action, you get the action. And we
had literally leaders like David Whitehead, the leader of the
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NAACP call in, and it seemed as if he was
being motivated by the comments that were constantly going against Smitherman.
Collin Smitherman a coon, a sellout. And I'm sitting there
watching and I'm listening and I'm reading. I said, this
is disgusting that we have blacks that are saying this
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is what you get. So that's why I also stated,
no wonder our young people are following suit, because if
our own leaders are saying this is how you handle business,
then don't say absolutely nothing to our children.
Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
You know, that's a really, really good point. And Christopher's
been on that theme for a long time. It's where
are our city leaders advocating to support the police, to
support non violence, to you know, engage in a positive
relationship with the police for the betterment of the communities.
And I've heard time and time again the vast majority
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of blacks, if you talk to them individually, they want
safe streets. They don't have a problem with the police.
In fact, as illustrated by over the weekend, there aren't
enough around. We need more. But the loud voice gets
the attention, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sadly,
you know, the squeaky Wills. Perhaps the president current president
of the NAACP's part of the problem. I don't know,
(01:47:29):
but they're the ones that people tend to listen to.
And that sounds like what representatives of the black community
are advocating for. And yeah, that's gonna rub off on children. Absolutely,
absolutely think about this.
Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
Sheryl Long literally remove District five, took it completely out
of a community.
Speaker 10 (01:47:49):
But yet the.
Speaker 9 (01:47:50):
Mayor and the chief stand by and say safety is
our number one priority. And we see that Sarah Harry,
she blew the rooftop off of a lot of issues
that the city was portraying and tested her own numbers
against theirs.
Speaker 10 (01:48:10):
And so if it's your top priority, and now.
Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
All of a sudden you're saying, oh, we need more police,
but you took a police district out of a community.
Speaker 10 (01:48:19):
Make it make sense, brother, Brian Police.
Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
I can't.
Speaker 6 (01:48:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
The only thing I can come up with, Annie is
they are so afraid of acknowledging that there's a crime
problem because it's bad press. It's gonna maybe make people considered.
I don't want to move to Cincinnati, but you can,
I mean, you can't deny your I mean it's like,
don't believe you're lying eyes. People who live in the
city know there's a problem. I mean, the police know
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their problem, and the ignoring the problem, and I think
it's really probably driven by just the fact that we
just don't want to acknowledge it, to talk about it
because it just looks bad. Well, welcome to front page
news across the United States of America with what happened
on Saturday morning.
Speaker 9 (01:49:00):
One thousand percent. And police officers are frustrated. Oh yeah,
they are extremely frustrated because I know for a fact
that they do go out here and do their job
and deal with a lot of issues, and they deactivate.
Speaker 10 (01:49:16):
As much as they can. They really do.
Speaker 9 (01:49:19):
But I've been an advocate to always say I'm not
here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, and
if my fellow officers are doing something they shouldn't be doing,
I've always wanted to be an advocate to say, look,
this is what's right, and this is what's wrong.
Speaker 10 (01:49:34):
But when I see it wrong, and I see.
Speaker 9 (01:49:36):
A community constantly going against itself, murders on the ride.
Speaker 10 (01:49:41):
Black on black crimes.
Speaker 9 (01:49:43):
And these same civil leaders have nothing to say, absolutely nothing.
That's disgusting because we both know that the multiple murders
that occur are with on our black youth and the
murders in Cincinnati, and no one is taking accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
We'll bring back Andre for one more segment Andre Ewing
before we get to the bright part Insights scoop after
the top of the air news again. Check him out
on Facebook and the level you have what he has
to say. One more segment with Andre Ewing.
Speaker 11 (01:50:14):
Fifty five KRC You're one stop for.
Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
A fifty about PARACP talk station Marinontown was with Andre Ewing,
retired police officer and you're you're like a community activist.
You speak to youth groups and and and you know,
I guess I'm just kind of curious what you're doing
in your your your in the time you're not here
in my studio talking to my listeners. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (01:50:34):
Just did something with the Urban League. It was powerful.
Speaker 9 (01:50:37):
Oh yeah, the Urban Champions and just had a great
encounter with some young youth and trying to promote and
show them there's a different way to go about situations.
And it's interesting everything that we told them to do.
What they saw downtown was exactly the example we said
This is what happens if you run to a five,
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if you go to a fight, if you present yourself
and has speakers there telling them to turn the other
way and to make sure that everyone is safe, everyone,
not just some. Well, I appreciate your speaking to the
young people. They certainly need a clear and convincing voice
like yours.
Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
Um.
Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
But speaking of change, and I said to you off air,
I said, you know what, Andre, You and I both
know it. Come November, the residents of the city of
Cincinnati have an opportunity to vote. And you know, the
definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting a different result. But they're still
going to vote for the same clowns in office. And
you had advocated for a change in administration on your
(01:51:40):
onet of your recent videos. What's your take on the
upcoming election in November? And do you think this is
an opportunity for change in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 10 (01:51:47):
It's a perfect opportunity for change.
Speaker 9 (01:51:50):
It's interesting because if this was a professional team and
they went oh for twelve, what do you do we want.
Speaker 10 (01:51:57):
To go oh and twelve again?
Speaker 9 (01:52:00):
We talk about the Bengals, if they would have had
the proper defense in place. Guess what might be talking
about Super Bowl champs with the offense that they had,
but guess what they decided to get more power, impactful
people on defense. So let's deal with the truth of
the matter. We are in a position to make change.
(01:52:21):
I would love to see the debate. Let them go
at it one on one, debate this thing, go right
at the situation, and let's see who exactly would be
best for the position of mayor because at this point,
what we have seen and if you want this to
continue at this state, we are going to be in
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a world of mess. And this is exactly what we see.
And it should start from the top down. And I've
said it before, Teresa Thiji needs to go.
Speaker 10 (01:52:57):
Yeah, just go out.
Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
There's so many powerful candidates out there, so many powerful
candidates out there. She needs to resign, leave at this
moment and allow us to go out and see if
there are other individuals more qualified, more experienced and understand
city dynamics and are willing to work with everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Well, this police chief THESI, I don't presume it, but
I presume that you do regularly speak with members of
law enforcement who are still actively with the police department.
I mean you got friends, right, you hear you talk
to them? How's it? Is there a sense that they
have any respect for leadership within the department.
Speaker 10 (01:53:38):
Zero leadership and that's a shame.
Speaker 9 (01:53:40):
And I have this on one of my posts is
where Sheryl Long was going into several police districts with
actually Scottie Johnson and ask the police officers, who would
you like to see a chief? And at the time
the mud red tie had sat back and said, well,
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Lisa Davis, Colonel Lisa Davis said we would.
Speaker 10 (01:54:06):
We think she.
Speaker 9 (01:54:06):
Would be a great advocate. She's a community person, she understands.
And guess what, she still picked Teresa Thiji. Now that's
interesting because people did not officers did not want her
in the morale and what you see and people being
motivated started from the top down. And what Chryl Long
(01:54:29):
decided to do without listening to officers and the proper
way to select the chief of our city.
Speaker 10 (01:54:37):
And from these results, you are seeing.
Speaker 9 (01:54:40):
Us getting blasted by individuals on podcasts across the country
talking about our city and how terrible it is.
Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
So low morale. And then I'm sure we of course
know about the low morale within the police department because
of the criminal justice system. Generally speaking, why bother arresting
the kid for breaking curfew when there is going to
be nothing at all, zero done to them, absolutely zero.
Speaker 9 (01:55:04):
Nothing will happen. Usually if we even take someone to
twenty twenty a juvenile, we're calling their parents on the way,
make sure you come get your child. As soon as
they come in, they're walking straight out. And these kids
understand the system that they can take it to the
whole next level and then say, well, when I turn eighteen,
(01:55:25):
I'll just get my record expongs. Absolutely ridiculous. Gun laws
need to be increased that we're not playing If you
get caught with a gun, we're not playing games with you.
We're gonna hold you accountable. You will do some time,
You will do some time. So these judges need to
step it up and stop playing games.
Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Yeah, that's always very puzzling to me because you know,
if after Purvol had his way, he would take away
everyone's guns. And that's not your position, because you had
advocated on one of your posts that we should be armed.
You know, you know, go to the range train, learn
how to properly use it. You know, you know, if
you as long as you're lawfully able to carry a firearm,
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you probably should because that way you can defend yourself.
Speaker 9 (01:56:10):
And that's just the society we live in today. But
now what is the perception of defending yourself? That's why
I said, when you were downtown in this circumstance, and
if somebody had a firearm and started to just let off,
we would have at least twenty to twenty five people
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dead and more critically injured based on this situation. While
people were armed, and I bet you there were people
that were armed that maybe just didn't pull their weapon
at the time.
Speaker 10 (01:56:44):
But during that beat down, would someone had.
Speaker 9 (01:56:47):
Been justified to pull in and try to save the
gentleman who was getting mobbed against who was getting attacked
and kick brutally and savagely he could be a damage
for life brain down much he was in. A woman
savagely was struck. So if somebody would have put out
a gun and start a firing, would they have been wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
H No, they wouldn't you know what I'm thinking of.
The guy who saved maybe multiple lives at that walmart
up was a Milwaukee The guy that was stabbing, he
stabbed eleven people and long comes a marine with a
firearm that didn't put the guy down, but stopped the
violence from happening. If you have reasonable eminent apprehension of
grievous bodily harm that guy was suffering from grievous bodily
(01:57:31):
harm at the time, or you have a legitimate reasonable
fear for your own life, you were allowed to use
deadly force. So and I talked with the FOP president
just the other day about that. He agreed with me completely.
Absolutely use of a firearm under those circumstances would have
been justified.
Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
Absolutely. When people are.
Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Freaked out, they think some left wing prosecutor is going
to go after them for defending their lives or defending
the lives of others. So there creates that reluctance in
society because they think they're going to be the ones prosecuted,
not the person given the beat down.
Speaker 10 (01:58:01):
Now, this is interesting. I want to ask you some brother, Brian.
Speaker 9 (01:58:04):
When there's a UFC cage fight, they have a ref
right there in the middle. Once this ref sees it's
out of control and that person may even remotely lose consciously,
they step in. That's it. It's over. You don't continue
to go because why they understand the issues that continue
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to happen. Well, guess what, there was no referee down here,
and we continue to see beat down, another hid in
the face, another kicking a face, another jab in the faith.
It was consistent with beyond almost aggravated assault, and they
should be prosecuted to the highest level.
Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Under a ewing. You know what, someday I want to
be interviewing you as candidate for office, you run for
counsel or maybe run for mayor or something like that.
I think you get a lot of votes. Man, Yes sir, Yes, sir,
once you consider that, you got to your eye. Maybe
you have been considering it. It's not too late, yes, sir,
it's not too late. Yes, sir, you always have an
(01:59:06):
opportunity here on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show. I
love your message, I love your passion. I know you
care about the city, you care about our youth, and
you know there's a better direction, a better path. Maybe
we'll all wake up in the city and find that
path in November.
Speaker 9 (01:59:18):
Yes, sir, thank you so much. May Man, it's been fun,
it's been awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
You come back again.
Speaker 10 (01:59:23):
All about the truth.
Speaker 11 (01:59:24):
Fifty five KRC yes.
Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Count circumstances obviously difficult and maybe slightly uncomfortable. My next
guest Holly mononym, and I think it I'm going to
have to ask Holly how she feels about that well
known she is by her first name only. She was,
as we all watched in horror at the videotape of
the July twenty six beat down the curtain downtown Cincinnati
made nationwide headlines punched in the face, seemingly undeserving of
(01:59:51):
any type of violence, and who could justify violence on
that level? Welcome to the fifty five Kroosee Morning Show. Holly.
Thank you for deciding to join the program this morning.
I my listeners truly appreciated.
Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Now, thank you for inviting me. I'm
finally starting to heal and feel better, so you know,
I'm glad to finally be able to come on and
talk about everything.
Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Well, and I'm glad you're willing to do that. I
have to ask out, just what is it like being
you and thrust into the national spotlight. Certainly this is
not something you were clamoring for by way of attention.
Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
Holly, It's definitely terrifying, to say the least. Especially the
way that everything happened and went down. I know, you know,
I've had so much love from so many people, but
there are also some there was a lot of hate
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on the other side as well, or people who didn't
know the full story who wanted to make their own opinion.
And unfortunately, there were some leaders in Cincinnati who were
also trying to change the narrative and smear my name
as well. When I just kept asking, you know, where
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were the where was the police presence during all of this,
because everything that happened truly was preventable. So the more
that I just kept asking that question, the more my
name became smeared, and so in the national headline, I
think a lot of people have a misconception of everything.
Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Well, what exactly did happen? We all know how it ended, Holly.
You were taken to the hospital, you almost died, and
you can correct the record if that is not correct.
But we've all seen the post beating photographs of you.
You obviously suffered a horrific, horrific damages, and I'm glad
to hear that you're doing better. But up to the
point in time where you got punched in the face,
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seemingly without any justification what led up to that moment
in time?
Speaker 5 (02:02:02):
So that night, I went out to a friend's birthday party.
I don't really get out much. I'm a single mom,
and so I didn't have my daughter that night, and
there was a friend's birthday party at a place that
I'd never been to before. So and I had never
heard of the Jazz Festival as well, because I don't
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live in Cincinnati. I live in Dayton, so I drove
up there. But I've always loved Cincinnati, and apparently that's
one of the biggest crime weekends out of the whole year,
which we'll get to that of why like the police
presence was such a big deal of like them.
Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
Not being there.
Speaker 5 (02:02:46):
But yeah, we had went to a dance club for
the birthday party, had a great time, came out to
wait for Uber, and there was just a huge mob
of people that were out there and they were making
some comments towards.
Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
The group.
Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
That we were with, which I won't give too many details.
There's still investigation going on, but you know, to say,
the least five people in the group that I was
with was attacked by about thirty people. They were around
one hundred people on the streets that you know, everyone
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was watching. And then they each each of the five
people had at least five or six men on them,
attacking them, kicking them, punching them, and I mean it
got to the point where everyone at one point had
got knocked out, kicked on the ground, kicked in their head,
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kicked on their bodies. And then when they stood up,
a new group just jumped in and it was like
the mob is just riling each other up, and they
were like, yeah, I get them. So then a new group.
You know, it wasn't just one person one on one fighting,
I mean it was it was an attack. And there
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was one in particular he had he had been knocked
to the ground at least two or three times in
my memory, and I mean he was just he was
literally getting curbs ump. He had blood all over him
getting kicked and punched. I found out recently that it
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was specifically twenty eight times that he was kicked in
the head, If that tells you how bad it was getting.
And everybody just had their video cameras out there laughing,
they're high fiving. It was absolutely grotesque to see how
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just the group people were enjoying watching these people get
beat to it into their life. And the man started
crying out to God and was he was just like, please, God,
someone saved me. Please, And I you know, I instinctively
just jumped in. I'm you know, I'm a Christian, I'm
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a mom. Like my instincts, I was like, I can't,
I can't just sit here and do nothing unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Ally And that was the gentleman that you were attending
to when you got punched in the face. Is that
the man you're referring to?
Speaker 3 (02:05:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:05:36):
Yeah, And you know, for the record, I had just
met him that night at the birthday party a few
hours before. I know, the media kept saying, you know,
the guy's wife or the guy's girlfriend or whatever, like
I had just met him, and so I just, you know,
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just felt the need too. I thought that if I
because I knew if he continued to stay down, he
was going to die, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
It was.
Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
It was just that bad that people were not stopping,
and more people were continuing to jump in every time
he fell down.
Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Did you say anything before you were punched in the face.
Were any exchanges between you and the man who's been
identified as responsible for your beating with Patrick Roseman, who's
I guess still currently in jail because of the bond issue.
But any words exchanged between YouTube before you got punched.
Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
So I helped the gentleman up who was on the ground,
and then I stood in between him and the main
person who was beating him, and I just kept saying,
please stop, stop, please, you know, waving my hands around.
And you know, there's there's video of it online which
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there's different angles. Some of the angles that looks it
doesn't look the best, but if you see straight on angles,
you can literally see me saying please stop, stop, please,
you know. And the guy that punched me actually, just
from what I'm told, he wasn't even really he wasn't
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part of the fight. He was one of the watchers,
if you will. And he came from the side, he
came out of nowhere and just cold cocked me in
the face. And I was out before I even hit
the ground. So my whole body weight was on my head.
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My head hit the concrete really hard, and due to that,
I am still suffering some you know, major neurological issues.
So when I say I'm healing, like my face is healed,
which is great, but there's definitely some after mask that's
going on. I'm still seeing a lot of different specialists
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and stuff. I'm suffering from short term memory, So it's
like anything that has happened after that event, you know.
Sometimes you know, I just don't I have three to
five minutes basically of after a conversation to write something
down to help me to remember, or I just forget.
Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Well, I imagine it's it has had to have I'm
guessing it had to have dramatically change your perception of
life generally. Are you struggling with if I can use
this term post traumatic stress? I mean I would be
very concerned about being in public and any downtown environments
after something horrific like that happened literally out of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (02:08:39):
It seems Oh, absolutely yeah. It has literally changed my life.
It's changed my whole perspective on everything.
Speaker 10 (02:08:50):
You know, I'm I.
Speaker 5 (02:08:51):
Definitely have a lot of anxiety I didn't have before,
and I really don't leave the house unless it's for
doctor's visits or something, you know, with my child, or
when I advocate. I've been helping to really be like
a victim's advocate for a lot of this and speaking
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publicly because I think that what happened to me was
very preventable, and I think that we have a lack
of leadership in not just Cincinnati but a lot of cities.
But where this happened to me in Cincinnati, you have.
Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
A prominent elected official and council that said you deserved it.
Speaker 5 (02:09:39):
Yeah, that's so, that's what really has fueled me to
speak out and be like, this is not okay. So
I have the police chief who afterwards publicly had said
that I was a Russian spy, a Russian asset, something
like that. And I led the country, which had a
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lot of people in uproar, and I was like, I'm
I'm an American, I'm a proud Ohio and what is happening?
You know? And I had to go into hiding.
Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Even if you were from Russia or had some contact whatever,
does some Russian national deserve less protection? And does does
that person deserve a beating from someone randomly just walking
up and cole cocking to the point where almost died.
And it's a preposterous suggestion.
Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Horrible, horrible. And then after that is when yeah, the
president of the city council, I forget her name, but yeah,
she publicly said that got to beat down that I deserved,
and then well she said, we all, the five of us,
got to beat down we deserve. And then next day
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publicly backed that up and went on an interview and said,
I stand by my statement, and I just I just
don't understand how somebody like that is, even in a
leadership position, encouraging these felons and thugs. Most of the
people that were in this fight were repeat offenders who
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should have still been in jail for their previous one,
and there were a few of them who were out
on bail from reason activity, and they they're just let
out on the streets to continue to attack innocent victims.
And then you have the counsel woman who is backing
it up, saying, you know, at a boy basically to them,
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it's just wild.
Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
To me.
Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Well, fortunately she's not running for reelection, but sadly she
didn't choose to step down to the honorable right thing
for those offensive words. To this day, I still can't
comprehend that an elected official would say something like that,
especially without all the information in and I know the
defense attorney keeps saying there's more to it. We haven't
seen all the video and Holly, I don't know if
you have, but you know, all the information isn't yet
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out of there. Have you have you seen a linear
progression of this with all the video evidence of the
Prosecutor's office has accumulated.
Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
I have.
Speaker 5 (02:12:14):
I've only seen what is online. Yes, but I you know,
I know that you know, we were innocent victims, sitting
there just waiting for our uber. It wasn't you know
so many people have made up so many stories that
are going around, and you know we started it and
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this and that. We're like we were waiting for our uber,
like we were attacked by a mob. Is it so
hard to believe that, you know that could happen to someone?
Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Well, Holly, back to the time when the physical part
of it began again, You're standing there waiting for your uber.
This crowd of people it starts taunting you or whatever.
Do you remember anything that triggered the violence? Was there?
Something that happened was a racial slurd use, not that
it was just, but anything you recall is the moment
in time when the beatings began.
Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
No, so to my knowledge, I do not. I did
not hear the whole night.
Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
We were there.
Speaker 5 (02:13:14):
You know, we were we were, there was a mixed crowd,
you know, white and black people, so you know, there
was the inward was never thrown out the whole time
we were there for hours at the dance club, coming outside,
the inward was never used. And you know, there was
a lot of slander towards us, being pretty much we
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were the only white people that were out on the street.
There were slanderer's words, and there were some Russians that
were with us. But you know, and I don't really
know why that triggered them so much. They kept saying,
you know, get the Russians or whatever, but yeah, nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:13:59):
To justify it. Now.
Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
I know they're during the fight, one of the white guys,
the victims, while he was knocked out and robbed, his
wallet also was stolen, and so when he jumped up,
he did say the inWORD, which I do not approve of,
Like he said, somebody gets that inward. But that was
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the only time I remember hearing the word even being said.
Was way after anything had happened. So no, I mean,
that's what's still so shocking is that, no, we weren't
doing anything to aggravate it or start it or.
Speaker 10 (02:14:44):
Any of that.
Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Just so hard to process that this happened in the
city Cincinnati, Holly, I really obviously wish and pray that
it never had happened to you. And I'm glad to
hear that you're doing better. And I'm gonna ask my
listeners to keep keep you in their prayers and wish
for your speedy lan term recovery. Ally, and if you
had to ask something of our elected officials beyond maintaining
a sense of proper decorum and not making ridiculous comments
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like we talked about, what are you hoping for is
going to come out of this? What are we going
to learn for it? Is it simply a question of
proper allocation of law enforcement resources?
Speaker 5 (02:15:16):
Yeah, I absolutely. I just want to know why they
keep turning down any and all help that's thrown at them.
Speaker 10 (02:15:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:15:27):
And I know for a fact that for years now
they've had help that's been offered to them by the state,
by the higher up sheriff's office because they're low on
police officers, And I just want to know, why do
you keep turning it down? Because we are suffering. I
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might have permanent damage for the rest of my life,
and there are people literally getting killed out there weekly,
you know, and there are people, innocent, people who should
never have to deal with this, and and I just
want to know ever, you know, and I know there's
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more police presence now because this was such a national thing,
and you know, thank god, we have amazing people who
have been really backing us up, like you know, Bernie
Marino and Corey Bowman, Christopher Smitherman, you know, Dave Yost.
Like it's just so many people who have come together
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say enough is enough and now there is more. But
it really had to come with them heavily breathing down
them and making it a national news and for them
to finally give in and say, okay, we'll start stepping.
Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
It up two days, two days a month. I'm sure
that you find that time unacceptable when the when the
offer was for a full month regularly, real quick here,
Hollyford Company, I can't thank you enough for spending time
with my listeners and me this morning. Has the mayor
ever reached out to you directly?
Speaker 10 (02:17:06):
No?
Speaker 5 (02:17:07):
No, So the mayor has not reached out, and he
has said that it's not his job to reach out
to the victim, which I find that very upsetting. I
think that at a bare minimal he should, and not
only has he not reached out, but he has gone
on different news outlets to take strolls down Cincinnati where
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murders are, being happy that you know, murders and attacks,
saying it's safe, look at the streets, you know, come
on down, instead of apologizing and saying we'll do.
Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
Better, I guess it's safe. If you're the mayor of
the city of Cincinnati, Holly, thank you so much. I
appreciate your willingness to come on the program, and I
hope they will listen to your concerns and come up
with a better way to police in downtown Cincinnati so
this never happens again. Today's top headlines coming up at
the top of.
Speaker 12 (02:17:59):
The hour literally moved so fast on.
Speaker 1 (02:18:02):
Fifty five KRC, the talkstation.
Speaker 10 (02:18:05):
This report is spot
Hi, Brian Thomas, Please to welcome to the fifty five
Cars Morning Show. Author Richard Battle. Richard is an award
winning author, speaker, and media commentator. He's the author of
twelve books in counting, including the book we're talking about
this morning, America Cans Who Made America? The Growth, Division
and Reunification. His book Americans, it's just available right now
(00:23):
on fifty five cars dot com sea you can get
a copy about it. And I love the name and
you have I emphasized the can part of Americans because
you emphasized it in the title. It's Amera with all
caps cans. We've had struggles and challenges in this nation before.
It feels like we're experiencing something that nobody's ever experienced
in America. This political division has obviously put the brakes
(00:44):
on anything being accomplished in Washington. Of course, we're in
the middle of a government shutdown as we speak right now.
We've been there and done that before. But you point
out that, you know, there have been political divisions, most
notably in the eighteen hundreds that nearly broke the nation previously.
So is it as bad out there as we perceive
it to be, Richard or are we just going through
(01:06):
another series of motions that we will see the other
side in a positive outcome.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, Brian, thank you so much for having us with you,
and I appreciate you emphasizing the cans also. And the
reason that I'm writing this series of books is because
I got sick and tired of listening to our media,
our politicians, and our culture telling us that we cannot
be as good as we once were, our kids can
(01:34):
have lives as good as we had, and that were doomed, basically,
and this spiral to have less and less over time.
And as I thought about it, what I realized was
it wasn't the government that made America. It wasn't any
political party. It was individual Americans with that can do spirit.
When they saw a need, they filled it, When they
(01:56):
had a dream, they chased it. And so each volume
my highlight of century's worth of forty individuals and kind
of how they exercise their can do spirit and in
doing so contributed to the country. And as we go
into the shutdown, one of the great examples is your
(02:17):
former Governor of Ohio, Rutherford B. Hayes in the eighteenth
seventy sixth election, which lasted one hundred and fifty days
and it helped heal the nation from the Civil War.
And it's a fascinating story in Rutherford B. Hayes is
one of the people we highlight in the nineteenth Century volume.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, I think part of the problem is we have
had it so good for so long in this country.
You know, I know we've we've had wars, and there's
been periods of disruption. But for the last you know,
several decades, we've been we've had it very easy here.
And I think people lose sight when you look back
at our history in this period of time that you
talk about in Americans who made it? I made America?
(03:01):
How in spite of how unbelievably horrific the conditions were
and how tough it was just to live your life
on a day to day basis. We didn't have a
social safety welfare and that we didn't have a government
check coming in, We didn't have guaranteed loans and business
incentives and things. You were on your own, and you
were on your own in a time where we didn't
have indoor plumbing or we didn't have electricity. I mean,
(03:23):
the challenges are insurmountable. You think about the people moving
out west, the settlers, and what they faced. It's just
I kind of richard in a way, wish that our
young people at least had to experience a life like
that for a month or more just to get a sensoriality.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, you're correct, and I tell people that our parents
couldn't dream of having the things that we think are necessities,
and our grandparents couldn't even conceive of them being available.
And so in history, if we look, tough times build
strong people and strong leaders, and strong leaders unfortunately lead
(04:01):
to weak times because the good times we end up
disrespecting them and become weaker, and those week leaders build.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Tough times again.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And that's kind of the cycle. And we've been in
that cycle where we've had week leadership and everything always
comes back to leadership. And so we need good, strong
leaders across the board. And this is not a political statement.
It's not a partisan statement. It's an American statement. And
we all when we do things in our lives, and
(04:33):
the better we do them, the better we contribute to
the success of the country. And we need that moral
fiber in the country again to help us as well.
The selfless servant leadership that we used to have versus
all of this looking for self and materialism that the
culture promotes.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Richard Battle, author of Americans Who Made America. I think
part of the problems we have in America currently is
our expectation of our young people are far too low.
We passed them to school with elevated grading. They're not
ready for college and so they have to take remedia
classes in college. We just coddled them along the way.
And with that background, I feel free to disagree with
(05:12):
you if you want, Richard, But with that sort of predicate,
can you choose someone who you highlight in your book
Americans who Made It Better? Who was a younger person?
I know, for example, our founding fathers, many of them
were in their twenties. Could anybody in American and America's
education system take on the weight of the responsibility of
declaring independence from Great Britain and penning that amazing document
(05:35):
that was the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist papers.
I mean, when you read the language that they wrote
and how they were communicating, it reflects a level of
intellect that I just don't think we have any more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Richard, Well, I think we have it, but we've discouraged honest,
moral people from being in public leadership because of the
way that campaigns are conducted, way the media operates, and
it's become much more of a power struggle than it
has a honorable profession, if you will, in statesmanship, and
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they say politicians think about the next election, and statesmen
think about the next generation. Sam Houston's story I highlight
and actually his mother, Sam Houston, I love his leadership.
He was the George Washington of Texas if you will,
letter of military when we won independence, was the first
and third president of a republic, a governor. But when
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he was nineteen, he was going off with Andrew Jackson
to the War of eighteen twelve, and his mother on
the back porch told him, if you are courageous, she'll
always be welcome here, but if you show cowardice and
never darken my door, And then she gave him a
small gold ring with a single word on the inside
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so that only he could see it, and the word
was honor. He wore that ring day the rest of
his life. Over fifty years. He died with it on
It's at the museum outside of Houston at San Jacento.
But I envision him every time he had a tough decision,
sitting there and twisting that ring and thinking honor, honor, honor,
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what's the honorable thing to do? And those are the
type values we need to be back teaching our kids.
And I tell people when I speak, I wish that
I'd been given an honor ring, and I highly suggest
people considering giving their kids and grandkids honor rings and
explaining that story again as well, because if we make
longer term decisions, if we make honorable decisions, if we
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make decisions based on helping others versus self as number one,
we will have a better society.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
This sounds like a book written for every American. So
in addition to the Honor Ring, get your young people
a copy of Americans Who Made America Growth, Division and Reunification.
From my guess today, Richard Battle, It's been our distinct
pleasure having you on the program and talking about this
inspirational book. And I will strongly encourage my listeners to
head on over to fifty five care sea dot com
and score themselves a copy and express a willingness to
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share it with your friends. These are messages that definitely
need to be passed along and I salute you Richard
Battle for putting this in your book.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, I thank you very much for having me. And
I tell people that my books and speaking speak through
them to their kids and grandkids, and that's who we
really want to influence going forward. And I close saying
God Bless America.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
God Bless America. And I do see a glimmer of
hope out there among younger people pivoting over to a
more faith based and of course a more conservative mindset.
So let's hope that that continues and we continue to
grow and we prove that we America cans can do it.
Richard Battle, God bless you, sir, Thanks for being on
the morning show. Try to make it a happy Friday.
And by way of relativity, me find out your Friday
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is going much better than you anticipated because you didn't
live the rather tragic life of My next guest, Rebecca Lafferty,
who's joined the Progerner to talk about her new book,
The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma, Abuse and My Father's Crimes,
a Mormon daughter's story. Rebecca, Welcome to the fifty five
Cadsy Morning Show. It's a pleasure having you on today.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Thank you, thank you, it's pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, and I say pleasure knowing full well your experience
as a child, which you write about in this book.
Your father was a rather troubled individual, and that may
be an understatement from your perspective. You can elaborate on that.
Let my listeners know about you and I guess around
seven years old, you're apparently your dad got radicalized in
a certain way. Let's talk about that. Let my listeners know.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, well, my father he was you know, he was
raised in kind of a strict household himself, and so
he raised us kids very very strict. He was LDS.
We followed it to the t, you know, I tried
to do everything to the t. And what that was
like for me as a child was very There's a
lot of violence in on home. I would say correction
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was over the top for a child. And we also
believed that women should be underneath the mail. They are
not to be respected or have a voice or opinions really,
and so there was always fights because my mom was
a very strong thirded woman. Yeah, and this just led
to a lot of Like I said, I just saw
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a lot of violence and experienced it myself grown up
with my father and then at seven him going to
prison and finding out what had happened later on. It
really affected that kind of snowball and affected my life
and the relationships.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
There on the way you described the it's a lot
of day saints that the church that sounds like it
has a lot of parallels to fundamentalism, Islam and and
Sharia law. Is that a safe or comparable thing a parallel?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I think anything that you take to a dream,
you know, I guess you could compare them. But yeah,
I mean it was there was no color. It was
black or white, there was nothing really in between. Yeah,
that was my experience.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So you said he ended up in prison. Let my
listeners know how exactly he ended up in prison and
not just regular prison to life sentences them all right.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Correct, Yeah, he took the life of my aunt and
her baby, my baby cousins, the filling you know, uh, prophecy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Oh, he killed them related to his faith in some
twisted perception, specifically, what's the connection between the real religious
fundamentalism and their death?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They were well, he was excommunicated from the Eudience Church
and then him and his brothers started creating their own
church or you know, doing their own thing where it
was called the school of prophets, and so they are
all profits in a school the oldest pad of revelation,
that that this aunt of mine needed to be removed,
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and that my father was a prophet of he was
the hand of God, and so therefore that was his role.
And in their twistedness made sense to that bit of.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
A red flag for an adult in this world. But
as a child of I mean, you couldn't speak out
against it. And I suppose, given how young you were,
you had no basic comparison, no world experience, being hidden
from the rest of the world in your home, and
how would you know. I guess you were either forced
to believe him or you actually believe what he was saying.
We're back, am I right on that?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, there's a part of me that always you know,
obviously my father. I look up to him, I trust him,
I adored my father, and there was also a part
of me that was fearful of him, and I didn't
trust everything.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And he said the typical child reaction. I suppose at
least that part was typical. You know, I my children
didn't always listen to what I had to say. So
this is a completely autobiographical book. What prompted you to
write this because you talk about your struggles and the
emotions and everything you went through, and then also you
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talk about when he reached out to you from prison,
which I want to ask you about. But what was
the compelling reason for writing The Lafferty Girl.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, I had somebody that I really admire and trust
to recommended that I write my story. And when she talks,
I listen, and so I felt, you know, once I
get enough of my inner healing work and I was
able to get to a place where I could speak
from pope and not just the pain, I knew it
was time to tell my story. Yeah. Yeah, him reaching
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out to me from prison was it was healing. That
was part of the healing process. He took act ability
for some of the things that he how he was
was a father with me. He's never acknowledged that what
he's done is wrong. He's still holds very very strongly
to that he is a prophet and that he is
here to fulfill a goal.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Now, did you when you how old were you when
he when he reached out to you from prison, Because
you know that that's on the cover materials too, obviously
that was a very profound moment in your life. But
how old were you at that time?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, So I stayed in communication with him for a while.
We had written, we would write back and forth, but
then there was a period where I had not heard
from him, and then the book Under the Banner of
Heaven had come out, and so there was a really
long gap, and I would have been thirty five maybe when.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We reconnected, So when he's still clinging to this idea
that he's a prophet at age thirty five and now
capable as an adult reflecting back on your childhood understanding
what abuse is and is not. Did you call him
out on it? By any chance? You said, you know,
are you serious about this profit stuff? I mean that
I'm Brian Thomas. That's the kind of the thing, the
(15:06):
in conversation I would engage in if it was my
dad calling me from prison. You know, I wouldn't pull
any punches. I'm just kind of wondering, given the delicacy
of the situation, if if you engaged in a process
back and forth about that concept, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think I just know I still carried some there
around that I you would always talk about it. I
just didn't want to hear it coming from his lips.
That would just I don't know, it was just another
level of reality. I just does not want to go
with you know, to with him.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
See those are words I can hear coming out of
my mouth if I was having this conversation my dad,
I don't want to hear this crap dad. That that's anyway?
So who did you write? I mean, obviously it's cathartic
to write a book about this, get it out of
your system, and many people recommends therapists and psychologists like
you know, write a journal, get it out of your system,
put it on paper. It helps you understand your situation
(15:57):
and come to grips with your own reality. But you
obviously had an audience you're writing this too. Is this
for other people who struggle with abuse and are still
dealing with the scars as adults? Is it for women
in abusive relationships? Or I mean it sounds to me
like there's a whole schmorgas board a potential audience here.
I'm just wondering what who you had in mind when
you wrote it, other than yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, I really just.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well for all of that compassion for the little girl,
you know, compassion and love for my family and the
healing that I could bring, and then for anyone that's
carrying the silence of shame, and you know, just wanting
to not feel alone. And I wrote this because I
want people to know they are not alone.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's a good message, it really, it truly is. And
you alluded to under the Banner of Heaven in your
comments earlier, that's an FX Hulu series And is that
still out there that someone did a documentary about your
father and the crimes he perpetrated.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Correct, John crack was he wrote a book under the R.
Sas and he interviewed with my father as he wrote it,
and then Hulu data theories on it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Did they interview you for that? I just don't wonder
what your reaction is. I can't. I'm just struggling with
what my emotions might be. If someone's going to do
a series about my father. How did you take that?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
They never asked, they didn't interview anybody from the family.
In fact, a lot of it is there's a lot
of fictitious stuff that they've all went into that Hulu theories.
Oh and that's how they got around that.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, another reason to write the book to set the
record straight about what you, Rebecca Lafferty, dealt with with
him being your father. Well again, the name of the book,
The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma Abuse in My Father's Crimes,
A Mormon Daughter's Story. We've made it really easy for
my listeners to get a copy of Rebecca Joe Strecker.
My producers put it on the blog page fifty five
cares dot com with the link to the site where
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they can buy it, which all encouraged them to do.
And for those out there maybe dealing with similar circumstances
or struggles, or maybe you got a render relative that's
in this, get a copy of it help maybe help
them heal as well. Rebecca, I can't thank you enough
for spending this time with my listeners and me this morning,
and for putting this all on paper. Brian Thomas here
right here, and please welcome Michael Pack. He is a
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renowned documentary director and we're gonna be talking about his
newest release, The Last six hundred Meters, The Battles of
Ned Jeff and Fallujah. He is the president of Manifold Productions,
independent film and television production company that he founded way
back in seventy seven Manifold Productions. Mister Pack have written, directed,
and produced numerous award winning, nationally broadcast documentaries, as well
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as corporate and educational films. Also president of Palladium Pictures.
I could go through your film list, but let's dive
right onto it. Michael, Well, welcome to the fifty five
care Some morning, you should have talk about a very
important documentary you released, this Last six hundred Meters. What
caused you to gravitate to make this particular film about
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the battles of ned Jaff and Fallujas are good to
have on the program.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Well, it's good to be on your program. Well, as
you say, I've made a lot of documentaries, fifteen had
been naturally broadcast by PBS, but this one had a
very unusual path. It's called The Last six hundred Meters
the Battles of the Joff and Fallujah because a special
force of sniper says in the film, I don't make
foreign policy. I delivered the last six hundred meters of it,
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meaning what he could see through a sniper's scope, right,
And we try to stay true to that. It's not
about should we be inter rapt with the rap We're
good or bad? Was what it was like to fight
these battles. These are the biggest battles in America has
fought since Vietnam. And we try to tell the story
from the point of view the people who fought there,
from corporals and sergeants up to the one star generals
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in the field, and we try to make it a
battle story as if it were a great historic battle
like b Rejima or Gettysburg. And it is the hard
great historic battles. But the path that you asked about
have we got the is an odd one. We were
researching a film about the Iraq War while it was
going on in two thousand and four and five.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
And.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You know, I thought the stories of these battles and
these young men and women being were untold, and I
conducted the interviews with them in two thousand and seven,
three years after the battle, when they were still young
and their memories were fresh. And then we completed a
version of film in two and eight. And even though
it was primarily funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
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PBS initially declined to broadcast it. They thought it was
too pro military. I'm not sure what that means. But
that's what they said, and over seventeen years we begged
them to broadcast it and finally present the PBS, and
what I considered to be a courageous move reversed seventeen
years of no to say yes, and we slightly updated
it and we put it on PBS. It was broadcast
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nationally and PBS the day before Veterans Day in the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Core, and it
is now streaming of doing elsewhere. So it's it had
a very unusual history, but it's being more relevant today
than it was a way.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Back when well it could. And see I'm trying to
draw parallel attitudes about Vietnam. Why were we battle in
the country we don't care about why, Well, the soldiers
took the brunt of that when they came. Always felt
terrible about that. But the idea into Iraq was predicated
on weapons, and guess what, there weren't any there at
least that is that part of the resistance, like we
shouldn't have been in that, ignoring the earl, the death
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and the awful rh in women on the front line had.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
To I think I think people couldn't see the because
of their ideology, whatever it happened, and it was very
much parallel to non war veterans. I think the Iratstan
war veterans also done cable don't like their wars too
a bunch of fact that these were heroic people, young
men and women, upon the line for us, the America,
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and I think now more clearly. I mean, you know,
the very impressive they've done to put their lives a
huge reb You can hear this very dramatic, Oh you know,
this is you know, people I wore from home at least,
so these people are miss doing an unusual thing. And
I also think it's meant though it's been twice battles.
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I think that the world are often in the wars
and will be a point to the war in Gaza,
you know, and America opt into until we should at
least understand that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And you know, I've been in a blessed to talk
to a lot of what I always refer to in
indoors in Fallujah, and I'm text of I think I
had experience. I can certainly step to post dramatic stress.
If you're revey or whenever you start kicking, you go
into a room. One poet of these brave men. They
kick it the room and beneath the food mounted the
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enemy craft gun and they started the room from beneath
the floor. What his pants went right through it. Through
that experience you're doing minutes later in the next building,
you're doing getting up tomorrow and doing the same thing,
operating at that level of adrena, and explain that amount
of brave in and day out.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It is truly I think that they break down these doors.
You don't know when you smash the dress in that
you're confronting Alliam that you're supposed to help or it's
going to kill you and you've got to kill him.
But before you have to make these split level decisions
day you know, to time day after day, a lot
to ask and a lot of the people be down
the doors. The corporal sergeants are eighteen nineteen young men
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in this case, you know, just out of high school
or a college. It's a lot to ask pressure, but
I just spent There's been an attention to these that
are PTSD and typical. Maybe bad things that happen there
like Aditha obscured the fact that yeah they had true
but there's also they did we tell the story of
hell House. It varied where marines were pinned, had to broauically,
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or it's to rescue the marines in the house. Now
you can see it's going to break into the house
to the bars and take his kevler off, having to
cross the kill zone where the pins were times. I
mean it's very yeah, sure what is doesne hou house?
You can see the face, you know, it's just empty
stairs and end of all energy. But I think, yeah,
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there's the PTSD so heroism and valor to notice.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But I couldn't agree more with you and port of
what they were, what they understand that the questionable circumstant
to gravitate over that some profoundly affected to the negat
amount of stress for example. But did you get collectively
if you had to put them on the folks that
you talked about or the talk with when you're making
the last six, that they were indeed able to accomplish,
that they were prouday with a higher sense of bravery,
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reflective on their extreme, their sense of purpose. Were they
all positive whole experience and looking looking back, hatting themselves
on the back that you know, damn it, I entered
and I did what I.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Was failed.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
The variety of is about them kind of screening in
Washington very really invited all the veterans that many did.
But I hadn't seen them in seventeen years older, of course,
but they were they were very proud of and they
were very bonded to each other and moving experience. Many
veterans we can. I think it was their most intense experience.
As they said, these guys, even if I haven't seen
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them for years, they have on waves deeper than whether
you know, they've gone through this intense you know. So
on the other hand, they all have had trump. Many
of them were happy in my film. Finally they couldn't
show it to their family, They couldn't really speak about
the experience. But yeah, I think they thought, you know,
especially the marine that we have quan marine got it. Look,
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we can win any war and any battlefield that we
will win. Get to the objective went on together, the
strategic objective to other people's job, and today we could
do it. And this guy years later, he's still so
I think they over there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I am so happy director of the last six hundred
meters is the battles of I have a kind of
were these the saddles. I mean, you know when you
look in different theory jungle warfare, you got desert was
you know, basically door to door as I sort of explained,
ntic forms were in the job and fame type of
fighting or were there that going on urban warfare?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean in that sense they're the same, but it's
still a flujah in the north and the insurgents and
then out against Chia after the Second Battle of Fallujah
a month period, you know, the city hit by the
mad macana al Sadder and first began in this very
weird huge cemetery, multiple and multiple layers below ground and landscape,
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and then next Monday militia into this grand Uh one
of the most holy sides. And then it's a question
of how you get it's a political battle and vibrating
and then great, there's all these huge kind of apartment
they had that the that there's levels and they're found
in those buildings. Now a Democratic congressman story of someone
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in his squad countered in the surgeon undergrounds and the
quarters were so close they their machines and so it
was turned into a Knight tell the marine urgent with
a nice so it gets foodle primitive combat and very
strange surreal if I have to kicking down the doors
all of the second battle, allus creation on that, but.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Still a fair enough from the bots link. Can't thank
you enough for document past six hundred meters of battles,
and in my listening audience, I had conveterans, many of
whom were probably and can certainly relate to it only home,
and to a lot of people who really don't get it, haven't,
can't understand it, get a load of it. It's right
there for everyone to see the last six hundred meters
of battles in the joff and Fludium. My guest today,
the producer and director of the film, Michael Pack, Thank
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you again for your service to the country and your
service to the men and women who were involved in
the conflict and putting the film together. And I will
encourage my listeners to check it out. I'm staring at
the page right now PBS Documentaries. It's easy to find,
and my producer will put a link on my blog
page of fifty five kr SE dot com to make
it that much easier. This ought to be a real
eye opener. I'm happy to welcome to the Pitty five
KRC Morning Show author Mike McCormick. He's got an amazing
(27:55):
background's written multiple books. He's gonna be doing to empower
you someonar tonight log in from home only power you.
Someone are going to empower Youamerica dot org. Make sure
your register and make sure you're in front of your
computer at seven pm, because this is going to be,
I mean amazing. Mike McCormick, he is served to get
a load of this. Served as the White House stenographer
for fifteen years under the President Bush, Vice President Biden,
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President Trump. He transcribed speeches and meetings across the Oval
Office in West Wing and around the world on Air
Force one and Air Force two, high pressure, around the
clock environments. Again, multiple books, including the one Who's going
to be talking about tonight and an almost Insurmountable Evil.
How Obama's deep sate defiled the Catholic Church and executed
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the Wuhan pandemic. Bold statements, Mike, Welcome to the fifty
five Carose Morning Show.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Hey Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So you note in your materials and of course in
the book, that you know, questioning the Pope a little
bit difficult for Catholics around the world to do that,
and not being Catholic, I questioned authority all the time.
I mean, if it was if I was, like I'd
questioned the Pope if I disagreed with the direction he
was going. But I know that's a little difficult. But
the Pope and Obama and Biden worked together. And I
(29:13):
explain to my listeners in boil down terms, in what
way they worked together along these nefarious lines.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Well, what happened was I was in the White House
as a stenographer and I listened to Joe Biden talking
over and over. I was primarily his stenographer, and at
one point in time I had an idea what was
the worst what was the most evil thing Joe Biden
ever talked about? And I could quite easily picture it.
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He talked at length about his close relationship with a
very bad man named Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick
was a prominent Catholic clergyman in Washington who was abusing
altar boys and seminarians throughout his career. Secretly, Biden used
(30:03):
to know knew Biden had this guy as basically his
spiritual advisor. So what I did was. I started looking
into White House visitor logs, Well, what about this guy
cardin McCarrick. Was he going in there? Turns out he
was going in there a lot, and he was dealing
directly with Obama and Biden and a guy named Dennis
McDonough who was a White House chief of staff, and
(30:25):
he was going in and out of the White House
during the time when Pope Benedict resigned and Pope Francis
was basically brought on and McCarrick, as I looked deeper
into it, McCarrick was a very very solid part of
the process in Rome that elected this this Argentinian bishop
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of the Argentinian cardinal to become Pope Francis. Almost as
soon as he was elected, McCarrick began going back and
forth to the Way House and to the Vatican to
talk to this new Pope Francis, and Pope Francis started
basically doing policy for the White House. He did policy
(31:14):
with the Iran nuclear deal directly. He Obama went and
visited Pope Francis in the Vatican in March of twenty fourteen,
and immediately after that, Pope Francis and McCarrick went to
the what they called the Holy Land, which was Israel,
West Bank and Jordan, and they started promoting what then
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was this great new way of dealing with the Middle East,
and it turned out to be a really terrible way
of dealing with the Middle East because they gave it
tons of money to Iranian terrorists. Mccarick had had long
time relations with Iranians. He had gone to Iran years
earlier and released some hikers that were held in prisoner,
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So he was working behind the scenes with and sort
of this emissary between the Catholic Church and the US
government very suspiciously, and that's where this whole thing came from.
The worst of it came from when mcarrick and Biden
and Obama and the Pope put together something called the
Alliance of Prosperity. In the summer of twenty fourteen, all
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these young kids started coming up at the border and
in the south along the Texas border, and Joe Biden
put together something called the Alliance of Prosperity, which was
basically him giving money to cartel affiliated government officials in
South America our taxpayer money, and they opened up the
(32:41):
doors for this illegal invasion. When Joe Biden became president
in twenty twenty one, he opened the doors for all
this illegal invasion, illegal immigration invasion, and that came that
came through with help from the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, and you know that's what I'm glad you brought
that up and explained it along those lines. Mike McCormick,
who's doing the empower you seminar tonight on all of
this in Grand and Gloria's detail. The Catholic Church among
other church organizations. I mean, I'm sixty years old. I've
been hearing my whole life, separation of church and state,
separation of church and state, you can't fund the church. Well,
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a lot of these NGOs were getting money to facilitate
the movement of illegal immigrants from the border into the
various communities around here in the United States were run
by the Catholic Church. Is this the connection? This was intentional?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Yes, exactly, it was intentional. It was a connection. It
was set up, and they used the Catholic Church. They
used Pope Francis as what I call morality laundering, so
they made it look like, oh, it's okay, the Pope
says they're migrants, They're not illegal immigrants, and they're still
saying that.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And Vatican City never opened its doors to the general population,
did they.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
No, they say they do, but they push it on
everybody else. They don't pay the heavy lift.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
No, they don't. Now the more nefarious and I'm hoping
almost that you say no, was this mass migration facilitated
by the Biden administration and the Catholic Church? Was it
purposeful to bring in children from molesting? I mean, because
there's a component of that that was going on the
whole time. We all heard about the children who were
being fired across the border, unaccompanied miners, talk about people
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in a dangerous situation. So was there an element of
helping get more young kids into the country so we
could molest them? Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Unfortunately part of it young kids, women were raped along
the border by cartel coyotes. Pope Francis Carlin, mccarrot, Joe Biden,
Barack Obama, Dennis McDonough had a direct that was a
direct result of their policy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now you looked into this, this particular company also had
comments in here about the CIA's involvement. Were they involved
in this as well?
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I think McCarrick was a CIA operative for a long time.
He came up through the ranks in the Catholic Church
quite quite quickly, and he came up through the ranks
at the time when the CIA was actually working with
the Vatican. This is the late forties early fifties. Recent
(35:29):
documents that have been declassified from the CIA files on
the Kennedy assassination include comments testimony by a guy named Angleton,
and Angleton was a CIA superspy, but he in this
testimony with Senate investigators, he explained, yes, I used to
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work closely with the Vatican and one of the people
I worked which was Pope Paul the sixth. Well, Paul
the sixth was the guy who basically put McCarrick on
this conveyor belt to be a superior priest while he
was molesting. There were a lot of allegations of him
molesting young children and seminarians as he was moving up.
(36:14):
So the Vatican kind of worked on it, and that
came through the nineties. In the nineties. McCarrick I think
it was either George H. W.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Bush or.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Clinton who sent mcrick into the into the State Department,
and mcrick would go around the world as an Emissary
of Freedom of religion. But he was really working behind
the scenes, and what he was doing was giving away money.
That's what the CIA does. They go around out in
the world and they give away money. And that's how
he got the pope. That's how he got this Argentinian guy,
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Bargolio named as the pope. He gave away money, bribe
Bishop a, bribe cardinals to vote for him.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So as White House stinar, I presume he had a
security clearance.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
No security clearance. It was a public facing job because
it was worth the press office.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Oh how about that. But Michael McCormick again tonight and
Poweroamerica dot org register now register sometime during the day
logim at seven pm and listening to this because we
haven't even scratched the service. One of the other things
that you unfold in your book and almost instamountable evil,
you say that the Biden Barack Obama administrations collaborated with
China to release the Wuhan pandemic on the world. This
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is a completely different, well, I guess, completely different conspiracy
going on here.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, there's two parts to it. It's pretty sinister. What
happened was so I'll just give a quick yeah. In
twenty eleven, I went to China with Joe Biden. That
part of my job was a travel.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He did a speech.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
In Chengdu, China. He said to the Chinese people, you
have too many old people. You have too many old people.
They had a policy in China child policy where every
family could only have one baby for generations and all.
They all of a sudden, they didn't have any young people.
They had all old people and all. He pointed that
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out to them, you have a terrible economic future. Not
eight years later, in August of twenty nineteen, after being
developed in a wu in a lab in Wuhan, China,
the Wuhan virus was released and it killed mostly old people,
(38:30):
and it also helped Joe Biden become the President of
the United States in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Ah, Mike McCormick, this has been a real eye opener.
I recommend you folks get your book on My executive
producer will add a one two year book on my
blog page fifty five. Casee dot com an almost insurmountable evil.
How Obama's deep state defiled the Catholic Church and executed
the Wuhan pandemic Mike, this has been an eye opening conversation.
It's going to be even more so tonight at seven pm.
I encouraged my listeners to register and then log into
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power America dot org. Appreciate you putting pen to paper
on this one, Mike. It is just amazing what you've uncovered.
Of course, if future here in the fifty five Kersey
Morning Show from time to time local authors. I think
it's really cool that we have local authors. They prove that, yes,
you can write a book, you can get a book published.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
One of the women who's going to explain how that
is done in her impetus behind writing and getting involved
in writing, Beverly Park Williams. It's Beverly. It's a pleasure
to have you on the program today.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Thank you for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh, it's my pleasure. I appreciate you forwarding me a
copy of the book. I will admit upfront, I'm not
going to lie to you. I haven't had an opportunity
to read it yet. I note that the book Parallel
But and Separate, This is the name of your second book,
Parallel and Separate, A Tale of Two Sisters. Does this
book number two involve the same subject matter as your
first book, Separate but Parallel.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
Yes, actually the story both stories are about two sisters,
Janet and Shirley. The first book is really about Shirley,
who was my mother. After I'd moved her into a
nursing home in Anderson Township, I spent a lot of
time with her, and she began to tell me many
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stories for life. And the stories became so numerous. I
purchased a handheld recorder and after more than two years
of recording, I transcribed almost three hundred pages of notes,
and that became the first book.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, and that's I guess primarily one of the reasons
I asked this is not a short book. It's your
your separate book we're talking about today, Parallel and Separate.
It comes in at four hundred and fifty pages. This
is I guess, the story of Shirley and jen At
her sister, Shirley, you said already is your mom. They
were separated very close to birth. I guess your your
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mother was a newborn and your aunt was three years
old when they separated. But they both lived in the
Great ter Cincinnati area, yet had no idea of each
other's existence. As I understand it is that accurate.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Yes, their families, both the father for Janet and the
mother for Shirley, kept it a secrets, so they were separated,
not knowing about one another, to be reunited seventy years later,
seven decades later.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
That is truly amazing. Now, they grew up differently. Not
only were they separated, not only did they not know
each other, and they grew up on opposite sides of
the town. They also were quite different in the socioeconomic upbringing,
were they not?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Yes, they were. Actually Janet was kept by her father
and her father's parents and they lived a fairly middle
class life on the west side. When the grandfather separated
the two sisters, he thought that my mother would go
with their mother and live with their mother's relatives. Unfortunately,
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their mother had been adopted by an elderly couple in
Hyde Park, and both the couple, the grandmother and the
grandfather were in nursing home, So Shirley and her mother
were pretty much left to fend for themselves on the
East side, and Shirley grew up in poverty.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh so, I guess I'm wildly curious. Since they were
sisters obviously genetically linked, did they sort of I hate
these words. Turn out, after seventy years of life, were
they different people, different political philosophies. Obviously, maybe different socioeconomy
because that depends on what they ended up doing for
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a living. But personality wise, was there a consistency or
were they dramatically different people having lived these separate lives
when they finally met each other.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Yeah, that's a great question because they were very different.
Because of Janet growing up on the West Side. Her
family was Catholic, of course, and sent Janet to Catholic girls' school.
My mother and her mother were Protestant, and as they
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came to know one another seventy years later, they realized
that they had very different political views.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, that's kind of the point I was coming I
was going to come to. I'm glad you brought it
up yourself, because I want to pry into politics of it.
So different religious philosophy and then different political philosophies. So
I presume one Democrat one Republican was as simple as
boiling it down to that. Was there something beyond that?
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Now, that's that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
East Side was Republican, right, Yes, just like the West Side.
You can us expect it's going to be from a
Catholic family. Having grown up in del High I'm hip
to that, Beverly. There were two children in my mom
and dad's family, and there were mostly five and six
children in the balance of the neighborhood's family. I'll let
you do the math on who was Catholic and who wasn't.
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So why will my listeners Beverly Williams, author of the
book Parallel and Separate, a tale of two sisters? Why
will my listeners find your family history and the lives
of your mother and her sister growing up severally a
fascinating story worthy of reading, Beverly.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
The reason is truly the setting of Cincinnati. In book
one for my mother and in book two for my
aunt Janet, they bring to the book memories from both
the West Side and the East Side, and I think people,
particularly in the local area, can relate to those memories
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as well as the incredible part of their memories also
of downtown landmarks. So I have to wonder, did they
see each other on Fountain Square? Did they meet one
another on a bus and not know that they were bookers?
And their grandfather and their father where the groundskeepers at
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Coney Island. So Coney Island is a is somewhat of
a focus of both books. Now, in book two, I
had the time. My mother had passed, so I had
the time to do research on where did their father's
ancestors come from? And where did their mother's ancestors come from?
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And I add that detail in book two.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Wonderful. So the very interesting and quite unusual story of
them being separated at such a young agent growing up
in the same town, but you know, not knowing each
other is a vehicle to bring in all of this,
you know, relevant Cincinnati area history poses. How you boil
that down? Yes, exactly, great well local historians and uh,
(46:06):
I guess maybe Peter Bronson should read a copy of this,
since he writes local history. Relieved by the way, Peter
Bronson's new book was great. I finished it the other day.
You'll love it anyhow, So I want to ask you, Beverly,
what was and and maybe you mentioned it before, and
I'm sorry I didn't process it, but I'm curious to
know why the the Shirley and Janet didn't know each other,
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why they kept this sort of a family secret that
that that you know, they had a y had a
sibling living across town. What happened to prevent you your
mom and her sister from knowing about each other?
Speaker 7 (46:40):
They believed it was somewhat of a shameful issue that
the grandfather had separated the two sisters, especially not allowing
them to get to know one another, not allowing them
the same privileges in life. So is what is the
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reason betid my title? Both sisters grew up obviously separate
from one another, but as they become young working women
and then wives, and then mothers, and even grandmothers and
then widows. During the time that they became reunited, they
realized that truly they were. They had lives more in
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parallel to one another than they initially believed.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
How much time are they able to spend each other?
Did they create a friendship or a strong relationship after
meeting after seventy years? And how long were they around
if they did, in fact spend any time together? How
long were they around to do that.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
They did when they were both in there obviously their seventies.
They wrote to one another, they sent cards, They talked initially,
they tucked on the phone a lot, and had lunches
and dinners and even had spontaneous crypt of Florida together.
But over time, as they become more and more elderly,
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they began to decline in their relationship, and once I
put my mother in a nursing home, their relationship really deteriorated.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I'm sorry to hear that, but at least they got
to spend time together, learn about each other, and you
got this fascinating story that obviously we're compelled to write about.
To the budding authors out there, people who think, oh,
there's no way I'm ever going to get published, can't
do it, how did you manage to is this? These
are the first books you've written?
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Yes, okay they are.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's well, that's an accomplishment and in of itself. So
what kind of what recommendation is a local author? And
is it obviously a not well published yet anyway would
you give to people who might be inspired to write
a book or maybe who have been thinking about that,
what would you say to them?
Speaker 7 (48:55):
I would say go for it. I would say, if
you have a story that you believe in and can
add to it details and add to it some conversations
and interactions, especially with other people and settings like Cincinnati.
I was fascinated by places in Cincinnati. Both my mother
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and my aunt Janet talked about I never knew of ye,
so I was able to go around the city and say, oh,
I didn't know about that, but what a wonderful area.
My Aunt Janet was fascinated with Miami Whitewater Forest. I
had never heard of that. So it was fun doing
the book, doing the research, and suddenly you have pages
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and pages of good information to share.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Well, that's great, I guess today, Beverly Park William's local
author Parallel and Separate Book two A tell it two
sisters learn about the Greater Cincinnatier are generally speaking of
this fascinating tale of the women who separated at a
very young age and lived in the same town. You
didn't even know of each other's existence. Beverly, It's been
a sweet opportunity to speak with you this morning, and
I appreciate you writing the book and inspiring other local
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authors maybe put pen to paper, as the case may be,
and put their own work together getting it published maybe
another thing. How are you able to get your book published,
Beverly Williams.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
Before we part company, so initially with the first book,
I went through Amazon through their publishing operation. With this
second book, I actually used Ingram Spark. And the reason
I did is one of the book stores in Milford said, well,
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you know all the bookstores purchase their books through Ingram Spark,
who is the distributor of books. So I said, oh, okay,
So I invented that and published through Ingram Spark. And
I have been going around bookstores asking them to please
purchase my book.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Of course, that's how you get it out in the
world of Beverly and you become a well published author.
And I wish you all the best as you moved
toward that endeavor, and I hope people will enjoy the
book Parallel and Separate a Tael two Sisters. That'd be
a book two. You can read book one as well.
Conversation with g Van Fleet, the author of Mao's America,
A Survivor's Warning. She was born in China and lived
through the Cultural Revolution. Actually got sent to work in
(51:22):
the countryside at age sixteen for what they called re education.
Following Mao's death, she was able to go to college
and eventually come to the United States for graduate study.
She has lived in the United States since nineteen eighty six.
She delivered a speech in twenty twenty one in the
Louden County, Virginia school Board against critical race theory. That
speech went viral, ignited a national conservative media attention, and
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she has since written a book which You've got to get,
Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. G Van Fleet, Welcome to
the fifty five Kresy Morning Show. It's a distinct pleasure
to have you on today.
Speaker 8 (51:54):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I guess I'm kind of curious before we dive on
in tonight's are in what you are seeing frighteningly so
here in America. You left China in nineteen eighty six
to do graduate studies here. What was your impression of
the Tenneman Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine as a
someone so familiar with what it was like in China
(52:17):
at the time. Honestly, from my American perspective, I was
so excited up until the massacre. The crowds were gathering,
they had symbols of the United States Statue of Liberty.
I thought China was going to go full on capitalists,
but no, that's when the massacre took place. What were
you thinking at the time.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Yeah, I was here. I was Florida, Yeah, attending college there,
and I because I was indoctrinated my whole entire life
until the last minute, I did not believe that the
army would open fire to the students because we were taught,
(53:00):
you know, the army is the people's army. They protect people.
That was a very very important moment for me, and
I lost all remaining hope or or you're losing about
the CCP. But the tragedy is that soon after that,
the whole world forgot about it. They forgot the thousands
(53:23):
of students who were killed. And then they do business
as usure and they imported, they transfer technology, they import
uh In, They put so much investment there and because
they just want to get money out of China. And
(53:44):
now look at today today, we really build China and
it become now it becomes our number one threat.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Well, and we can follow the the you know, the
eros on how that came about beginning with Save Nixon's
administrations normalizing trade with China. Obviously with China was not
friends with the Soviet Union. At the time, it seemed
like it was in our best interest maybe for the
goal of flipping China to capitalism, like giving him a
taste of the experience. But we've seen what happens since then,
we offshore manufacturing. China has dominated, like for example, the
(54:15):
climate industry, which I'll get to in a minute. But
you point out the people who were slaughtered a tenements,
where were the youth and the Chinese Communist Party in
part of the Marxist philosophy is to weaponize youth, as
you'll point out tonight in greater detail, and use them
as a means to their ends. That clearly is what's
going on here. But this was sort of weaponizing the
youth in China against the oppressive Communist or MAOIs government.
Speaker 8 (54:40):
Yes, tonight, I are talking in more details just as
you said, and that is called the Red Guard of
Chairman Maou. And they weaponized the indoctrinated youth to do
his bit or what he wanted to achieve. He wanted
to overthrow the Chinese government, his own government, because he
(55:01):
thought he was losing power. Just for his own gain.
He was willing to sacrifice all the youth and then
bring down the entire country and uh and by the
time of his death, China was in the brink of
total collapse. We were living in object poverty, and that's
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what communism brought to Chinese people. But Chinese people seem
to forget, and Americans seems to forget.
Speaker 9 (55:32):
The whole world.
Speaker 8 (55:33):
Seems to forget. It's the same Communist party that's ruling
China today, and they always always regard America as number
one enemy. Now they don't even hide it. Now we
see they're true intentions. But it's never changed. It's always
that way. We just failed to understand because we don't
want to understand.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
We don't want to understand. We don't want to give
up our tiktoks even fleet because you know, hey, how
we have to have this which which is a source
of indoctrination. I've been saying, and maybe you can confirm
from a listening audience that I've been right on all this.
My belief is and there are multiple different weapons of
war that don't involve shooting each other, one of which
is in doctrination via social media, which the Chinese Communist
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Party seems to dominate and own. They are looking at
every element of our society and trying to divide us.
You mentioned, I mean I mentioned before you did that
speech in front of the Louden kind of Virginia school
Board against critical race theory that divides Americans among themselves.
We can't even unite amount underneath our own flag because
well it's an inherently racist society. Well that's just one
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the LGBTQ plus division. Ruining the nuclear family, I mean
climate change as a concept. The Chinese love the idea
that we are just ruining our own economies chasing a
carbon free environment while they build coal plants every single day.
They have to be laughing at us.
Speaker 8 (56:57):
G absolutely, and I always this is something I have
been really trying, really hard to weaken up America. The
real thread is not the CCP. The real thread is
the American Marxist It's the Democratic Party. And because everything
the CSP was able to do is because they were
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allowed to do, they're encouraged to do and do what
to enrich themselves and hollow out America manufacturer basis. And
it's all a plaud to weaken America, to take down America.
So the enemy is here, The enemy is the enemy within.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Gee van Fleet should be speaking tonight again. Empower you
America dot org log in. It's log in remote view only,
so make sure you're registered to hit the ground running
at seven PM. I get the impression and your passion
behind what your message is is so profound. You have
no yet given up on America. We do need to
wake up. What what do we need to do? How
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do we fight back other than recognize this ridiculous, obvious
manipulation of of the hearts and minds of our apparently
ignorant young people.
Speaker 8 (58:14):
Yeah, they're ignorant because we have lost the control our
educational system. It's over one hundred years that the Marxist
communists have been in control of our education system, from
college to public school, now to kindergarten. What they teach,
(58:35):
they teach, they don't teach, They indoctrinate. Yes, and so
today you know, so, how can they How can we
have a communist mayor in New York City and in Seattle.
It's not that we had bad people like among Danny
and that woman whatever her name is. It's because the
voters choose them. The voters were so indoctrinated. They have
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no idea about real history, they have no idea about
the horrors of communism, and they hate America. And that's
why they were able to use the use for what
it is and get power. And that is our real issue.
The issue is that we have to re educate. Here's
the word the America used to help them to understand
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they live in the freest country in the world and
their freedom can be lost if they don't understand it.
And they, of course they don't understand it. They are
not for freedom, they are for free stuff. That is
our problem.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
G Van Fleet profound words elaborated on the night at
seven pm empower Youamerica dot org. Something it sounds like,
destroy you from within. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Yes, yes, yes,
I take ze Van Fleet. I want to thank you
from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing.
Your mess is reson It's among my listening audience. I
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hope everyone joins the program tonight learn something that spreads
the word and also buys a copy of Mao's America Survive,
a Survivor's Warning, which they can get on my blog
page fifty five KRC dot com. God bless you, Zee.
Keep up the great work. Keep speaking truth to the
powerful communists that are out there. Maybe we can change
the direction.
Speaker 10 (01:00:19):
Resolutions in the new year, Yeah, break them with them.
Speaker 11 (01:00:21):
The first week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
We'll be breaking news, something we do all the time
around here because you never know what's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Going to happen.
Speaker 10 (01:00:28):
The Continuing Resolution fifty five KRC the talk station.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I am honored, blessed uh to have in studio Sarah
Herringer and apologies right out of the gates, Sarah, I
have been saying herring jurror since your story broke June fourth,
when she lost her husband to a horrific murder in
their apartment over the Rhine. No need to do all
the details on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering
(01:00:53):
from the aftermath of that. But Sarah Heringery, it is
great having you in city to talk about some of
the problems that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst
and most horrific of problems in what happened on June fourth.
But as we were talking before the segment started, the
idea of crime in over the rhyme, you've had plenty
(01:01:14):
of experience with it. This isn't something new.
Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
It's not something new.
Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
It's been something that's been building and accumulating for quite
some time, and at this point we are seeing the
fruits of the labor of the city leadership really being
harvested or coming to its fullness right now. This is
not something where all of a sudden in the summer
of twenty twenty.
Speaker 12 (01:01:38):
Five, wow we have crime issues.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah yeah, well, you know earlier in the program just
to think before the top of the our news break
and I had mentioned this that I brought it up.
We didn't just wake up in the city one day
and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
problem that's been building for a long long time, a.
Speaker 13 (01:01:58):
Really long time to my understanding, even back to two
thousand and eight where they're recession so hiring freeze. But
those are things that you're able to project and see coming.
And any type of business, a private corporation would not
just stand by and just be like, oh oh well,
(01:02:20):
or not have to change their strategy in order to
recruit to.
Speaker 12 (01:02:25):
Compensate for that deficit. This is not something. I mean,
there's been a really long runway.
Speaker 13 (01:02:30):
To be able to predict and see where there's going
to be a lack of police force, and there just
hasn't been any action or necessary action, the right kind
of action to fix it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person. When you
put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
city is safety.
Speaker 12 (01:02:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
in the city, in order to courage any business to
invest in the city, you're going to have to have
at least a perception of a very safe city. So
failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
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depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
Speaker 13 (01:03:17):
Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
not currently in a situation where there's not money for
public safety. The money is being given elsewhere. It's not
it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
And I mean safety is a is a basic human need. Yeah,
(01:03:42):
like it's we're not we're not asking for you know,
the whole Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here,
We're asking for safety.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are
we live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things,
and as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out of
nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living hell
(01:04:12):
out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight led
out to it. Absolutely, it's so appalling. That's that's why
so many people click on it.
Speaker 13 (01:04:21):
I think, yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there
had been a fight between two grown men, the mob
response to it, and then the woman who was beat
just by it and by just standing there and checking
like that, those are You're just like, what has happened?
Speaker 12 (01:04:38):
Why are we? Why are people acting like this?
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Why?
Speaker 13 (01:04:42):
Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
twice about?
Speaker 12 (01:04:48):
Well, no hesitation.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Clearly the folks involved in and thought nothing about it.
And again that maybe the reflection of a broader societal problem.
But amid this seemingly broader societal break down, if you
want to call it, the evolution or problem we're facing
with just lack of morals, ethics, logic, and reason. That's
at the time when you need the police. That's when
you need more of it. You need a bigger police presence.
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You need apparently by all reports, three o'clock in the
morning Saturday, when this is out three total officers available.
Speaker 13 (01:05:19):
Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
us as well. Uh And how is that safe for
the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
good question, you know, like it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Thinks about the safety of the police. You think of
the safety of the community.
Speaker 12 (01:05:40):
But now and they're they're human beings.
Speaker 13 (01:05:42):
It's like what, Yeah, if there is something like that
going on, and it tends to I mean even we've
seen with juveniles it being like more of a mob
type thing. If you are are one officer and backup
is minutes away or not or air yeah, not there
at all, what are you going to do? It's unfair
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for them.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It really is. And you know, I had never really
put myself in the position of a police officer having
to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people, Like,
you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
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up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
over the right.
Speaker 13 (01:06:33):
We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
those ten we've lived in OTR.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
And you decided you invested in the community.
Speaker 12 (01:06:41):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Your late husband's business was right there by Family Market
as I understand it. Yep.
Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
to be one of those people who was like, oh,
we have a business downtown, but.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Moving off to the suburbs yea when you go.
Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Home, exactly.
Speaker 13 (01:07:00):
We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
in because I think that's far more powerful for people
to do that.
Speaker 12 (01:07:06):
That's what community is.
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Well. I get a sense you embraced the idea of
doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
passion for the city.
Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Absolutely, but actually you know to to choose to invest
your dollars there, you thought that was obviously a worthy endeavor.
Did at some point of leading up to June fourth,
did you come to a conclusion that well, maybe you
might have made the wrong decision in that regard.
Speaker 13 (01:07:34):
Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
the city is not safe like that, that is very apparent.
And there have been times over the years where, uh,
you know, this is not the.
Speaker 12 (01:07:49):
First interaction with crime.
Speaker 13 (01:07:51):
Unfortunately obviously not ones with such great consequences, But there
have been times where we're like, you know what, if
maybe we had opened our business out in the suburbs,
you know, there wouldn't be these headaches.
Speaker 12 (01:08:05):
There wouldn't be.
Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
But I the thing that we that I've always loved
about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (01:08:12):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 13 (01:08:13):
And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
don't see it's the city is so unique and the
fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
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this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
back to the people and they've allowed for them to
come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
everyone downtown they want to support local business.
Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
They don't want to go to chains.
Speaker 13 (01:08:56):
And that's the reason why we chose downtown is because
it's like starting a business. There's a lot of risk
to it, and you can see it's very evident in
the heart of everyone downtown that they want it to thrive.
And the local business owners are the reason why Cincinnati
got to where it's at. And unfortunately, the leaders that
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we have elected to protect our investment and protect the
community are also going to be the ones where it
ultimately comes down to us saying we've got to leave.
We can't just keep investing in something that you don't
protect and you don't honor the way that we've chosen
to What can we do?
Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
the program every week, and one of his mantras his
repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with, if
I can phrase it that way, the city leadership for
their failure to out loud and regularly support the idea
(01:10:00):
of the police working with the police, telling the police
that the population generally that the police are not They're
not bad people. They're in fact a wonderful organization that
really is there to help you, and so we work
with them, let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration
has been deafening along those lines until, like said, I'm
surprised it didn't pop up right after June fourth, But
(01:10:25):
in the aftermath of what happened on Saturday, now you're
seeing even folks like Aftab Purvoll talk about crime being
the most important thing we need to address and deal with.
Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
Speaker 13 (01:10:36):
Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure,
and I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
of the reason for their silence and their faired outloud
support police and failure to be forward thinking and keeping
the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable level
might be because of the left wing wing of the
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Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink the
police department. So let's pause, We'll bring Sarah Herringerr back
and we'll have further good discussion. She is in studio
for the full hour, and I can't thank her enough
for stopping in and addressing these issues so important to
every resident of the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Fifty five KRC.
Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Wuido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered on the fourth
of June this year in their apartment over the Rhine,
and we're not going to dwell on that, but it's
the predicate for her being on the program this morning,
but also the predicate for her I would say, wonderful activism.
You have been an outspoken critic of the problems we're
talking about here in the city of Cincinnati since that happened,
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and it's terrible that that had to lead to this,
But I think you're doing a great job of elevating
to everyone else's attention some of the big thingsailures we have.
I saw your post the other day about the judicial system,
and I were talking about that before the program began,
and that's one of the big failures the judicial system.
Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
We have.
Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
These you know, for one of a better term, you
can call them what you want. I'm going to say
liberal judges. I think they've been convinced that the criminal
justice system is somehow unfair and that for whatever reason,
bonds are a bad thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds,
and that meeting out justice for people who have actually
been convicted or have you know, plead guilty or pled
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guilty rather to any given crime aren't given enough time.
It's almost like a handslap, don't do it again, and
lo and behold, there they are back in court again,
are involved with the police again. So that's one that
I think that's the biggest problem that we face by
way of challenge. If we all got on board and
we all said, yes, we need more police, we're going
to do more lateral hires, we're going to refill the ranks,
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we're going to start better patrolling. We'll come up with
all the solutions for the police department to do whatever's
within their power to do. If there's nobody on the
tail end providing the justice that's necessary, the deterrence effect
that's part of the justice system, then it's a pointless gesture.
And I know you have talked to officers and uh
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and I told you before My sister's a retired police officer.
She still has a lot of friends and they stay
in time. And I've talked to other people and uh,
we had a judge on yesterday. Betsy Sunderman also the
same conclusion that morale is in the toilet and police
don't have any incentive to actually do their job and
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enforce the law.
Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Absolutely, yeah, you do.
Speaker 13 (01:13:36):
You see, uh, you know, not in the information that
I posted is that's just scratching the surface. That that
is you know, some cases that we were able to
get a hold of it and show, but it's just
showing a trend. You know, it's a single data point,
but it's showing a trend of what the jujitsial system
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is is doing and they how they are interpreting the
law and really taking matters into their own hands instead
of it's like, if you're going to do that, then
where is the critical thinking. You're not supposed to write
like it's supposed to be interpretation of the law, but
you're just letting these people out.
Speaker 12 (01:14:15):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 13 (01:14:17):
And the truth is is there are very few people
who are doing most of the crimes. It's not that
you know, and that is why you're seeing them over
and over and over again, and there is no deterrence
for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati. They criminals
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are making fools of them. They are not afraid of
the cops, they are not afraid of judges. They are
are killing. There's a murder every single night. And also
the crime that is happening, all of those can easily
escalate to murder. So even when the chief of police
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is saying, well we only have five percent of crime
as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the other crimes
that are happening can very easily turn into that. And
there they there is no fear happening like this. You
know what happened to Patrick. We were not out on
the streets. We were sleeping at our home. Yeah, and
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he entered our home expecting right, Yes.
Speaker 12 (01:15:32):
Like not worried about it at all. Yes, quite honestly.
Speaker 13 (01:15:37):
And when you have when you have a certain population
that none of us can think the way they think,
there's there you know, that's the whole thing. We even
when you're talking about people who want to be lenient
on criminals, we don't.
Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
Have the mind of them.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That's a good point.
Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
We we like that that is not we We wouldn't
do something right in the.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Right mind, would kick a door in in the middle
of the night, knowing full well that someone was occupying
that dwelling, you know, And if that were to happen
in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm a proponent of
the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right. I'm a
consumed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms in my home.
I'm prepared for that situation, you see.
Speaker 12 (01:16:28):
And it's is you know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
It speaks volumes and being woken up at four o'clock
in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm glad
you made that point out lawd it's time for a break.
We're gonna continue this discussion because I want you to
enlighten my listeners about some of the other crime that
you personally and your late husband experience leading up to
June fourth, because I think some of my listeners will
(01:16:52):
be quite surprised about what I believe you described as
feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing thing stuff, folks.
It's seven twenty five right now. We'll be right back
with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away. Fifty five the talk
station you don't think of there seven twenty nine here
fifty five KCD talk station tried to have a happy
Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the subject matter we're
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dealing with here, and it is a tragedy that gave
rise to my conversation this morning here with Sarah Heringer
in studio lost her husband to murder in their own
home four o'clock in the morning, which is obviously an
illustration of at least one of the many problems we
have in the city Cincinnati with crime. And you know
this can be a learned behavior. Sarah. You were telling
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me about some of the crime that you and your
late husband experienced leading up to the fourth because you've
been in that area for about seven years plus or minus.
You had your business started there, so you had a
lot of interactions with, you know, folks in the community,
good and bad. Let my listeners know about some of
the what you described, and I thought it was a
great way you phrased at these feral gangs of children
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that you had encountered regularly.
Speaker 13 (01:17:59):
YEA, every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
there's uh here they come and you see packs of children,
and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
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around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
nine of them and there's one teenager you know, that's
in charge of all of them. And there's not a
parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like, oh,
it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights out
in Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (01:18:39):
Just our summer's here are amazing.
Speaker 13 (01:18:41):
It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
running amok and there's zero supervision, parenting, consideration for their
safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice in
the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last seven
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plus years.
Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
people who work with you know, human services and trying
to provide a better path in a better way. I mean,
it is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more
discussions I even can remember about that. And without fail,
almost one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at
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the criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of
the loss of the nuclear family. The fact that these
children don't live in a loving environment, even just if
it's one parent. And I think that I mean that
right there, what you said, that they're somewhere where this
child ultimately goes and calls home, that there's not a
person there fretting and worrying over the fact that they're
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eight nine year old child isn't home by midnight even
Oh yeah, absolutely, on in any given night, I don't
care if it's Saturday or Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
No.
Speaker 13 (01:19:55):
Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
that's where it starts. That's why even you know, thinking
that prison is going to reform people, it's like prison
does not reform anyone. And you have to start back
at that age, back at that point. That starting point
is is really where it begins is with children.
Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
Speaker 13 (01:20:16):
Absolutely, there has to be consequences, and there really are none.
And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually.
Speaker 12 (01:20:31):
Have none, what are you teaching them?
Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
system that way as well. If you're going to go
ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
the material in the grade they're in. They're not going
to learn anything, but they will learn that regardless of
how little effort they put into the project, they're going
to get moved forward.
Speaker 12 (01:20:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
to him as a junior arsonists.
Speaker 13 (01:21:02):
Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
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maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on fire.
And when the fire marshall, who did an exceptional job
finding them catching them right away, it was not their
first offense. The one, the kid who had actually set
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fire to the boxes, that was his third arson charge,
and in between the time of him being caught and
booked for arson of our truck and showing up for
his first day of court, he had also been tagged
with a agglevated burglary attempt, and so the this is
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a juvenile and you know, even if we want to
talk about the juvenile court system, I mean that the
whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first, punished second.
But that started back when kids were shoplifting, not when
they were doing the type of crime that they are
committing now.
Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
And including gun crime.
Speaker 13 (01:22:26):
Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
not the type that you're you know, a child that
has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
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not the same outcomes, right, clearly, clearly, and uh you know,
get the getting the child, getting the kid to even
show up. We did press charges because we're like, listen,
you set our truck on fire. And this was not
the first time you did this. This was not a oh,
I'm gonna see what happens, and right, yeah, this is
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something that you're intentionally doing. They knew to cover their faces.
They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
they're well versed in this. And then clearly I thought
nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
going through the court process and you see that they
don't show up. It ended up being far more of
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a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick getting subpoenaed
all the time, and he's like, no.
Speaker 12 (01:23:35):
I don't want to charge the parents' money.
Speaker 13 (01:23:37):
I want this kid to stop being a menace to society.
And there's nothing in the system to hold them accountable.
So we ended up just being like, ah, just you know,
leave it like it's I can't keep being subpoena and
stop everything that I'm doing. It had been well more
than a year and we're still dealing with this. And
the other thing was in the summer of twenty three,
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and this this was a really big issue. We're in
the market district, family market area and our business was
broken into multiple times. Now multiple businesses, over nine businesses
in that market area had been broken into. There is
a bar that ended up having to go out of
business because they were broken into so many times. At
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some point you're like, you can't You're going to be unensurable.
You can't keep firing or filing. And we, you know,
the business owners we had congregated, we were we were
meeting with city council trying to get help, trying to
get help. I ended up having to go to the
media then as well in order to get any type
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of response from the city. And then they put a
beat cop down there during the day so people coming
in would feel safe. And it's like that is not
when criminals are doing crime. So again it's already then
we see optics and not doing the work to protect
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the business owners of that area. And the truth is
there was no policing done. We had on our instance,
they sent over a cop. She had a tiny little notepad. Uh,
you were broken into, no fingerprints, we had cameras, they
did not ask for footage at all. There was nothing
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as far as looking for the actual person. And then
there was one one guy who was arrested, the one
who actually did the break in. One night, we had
seven people break in at once because the one guy
broke in and multiple people came in. Patrick had to go,
my husband had to go and find that person and
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have choice words because he kept trying to break in
during business hours. Even there's no the criminals do not
fear police, they do not fear repercussions. And so Patrick
and that's you know, handled it in a way. He's
a pretty intimidating looking guy. And you know, the other
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guy didn't come back, but he even went to the
police and was like, I can show you where he is.
And the one that they they did end up arresting,
who truly was mentally ill and really didn't do a
lot of harm. I actually got a letter last week.
It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey, this guy didn't
show up for his court dates, so we've warrant to
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you know, we've worn out for his arrest and if
you need anything, called the victim's advocate. And it's it's like,
it's just a it's a clown show the whole thing.
You're like, there isn't going to be justice with the
current system that's happening. There's no follow through. And yeah,
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I think you know there is even down to a
point which we talked about earlier, and apathy that is
coming that is so clear from the police department at
this point because they're humans, and how many times can
you just see the same criminal release before you're like,
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Heringer back for a couple
more segments here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show,
Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
who might decide to start working on some solution. And
speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
some of the ones that they have put in place
and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
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Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brent
Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
talking about problems in hearing in the system, and I
think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community activism
is supposed to be going on, funded by a government
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that's to address the problems that we're talking about today?
Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act.
Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Act Initiative initiative.
Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
lot of you know, really passionate flowy language, you know,
trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
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beautiful for the community and that everyone would want.
Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (01:28:36):
However, the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
the numbers that I found is about five and a
half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
taxpayer money, right, like, that's everything the government pays for
is our money. And uh, there is zero line by
line on where.
Speaker 12 (01:28:56):
This money is being spent.
Speaker 13 (01:28:58):
We know it's going to non profits, we know it's
going to consultants, but there's also no metrics for success
attached to it. How will you know something is working?
Where is the transparency on accountability? All of this money
that's being put into you know, giving out sandwiches and
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hip hop classes, how is that deterring gun violence?
Speaker 12 (01:29:22):
And how can you prove.
Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
That this money being spent is doing exactly what it
says that it's going to be doing. And there just
is zero follow through metrics, accountability, transparency, And it extends
far beyond just the act initiative. There's really no published
data betwind spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs
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that they the police have told me this that they
just keep renaming but they already know doesn't work. But
they need to put money somewhere. And that is a
big problem, is is they just keep funding and putting
things and you know, paying people salaries.
Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
we brought, you cut the ribbon, and then never talk
about it again.
Speaker 12 (01:30:12):
No, absolutely no follow through.
Speaker 13 (01:30:14):
Do we know what we're doing is working and this
is how we're going to measure it and if it's not,
then we already have a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes
you need some trial and error in order to get
things to work, recognize, but you have to have the
accountability and transparency. And I think that is the number
one issue that we are seeing with our local government
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is there is zero of that. There is zero transparency,
there's zero accountability, and they are not measuring or tracking.
And so you might even have well intended and good people,
but they're not competent enough to measure the outcomes of
something because they don't exist and they think they're doing
(01:30:58):
a great job and they're not. And the results, as
we've seen in Cincinnati, speak for itself.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
You know the crime levels.
Speaker 13 (01:31:04):
I think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever
their funding is not working.
Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
So yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not.
You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
but for but they're still on the upswech yes, we're
not getting better than last year. We're getting worse.
Speaker 13 (01:31:25):
Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the downtown OTR area
that is really skyrocketed in crime.
Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
And destroying what they the very thing that they were
looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now I'm
old enough I worked in over the Rhine at Finley
Market when I was in late high school in early college.
That was before any money was in. It was just
really kind of comparatively a disaster visually anyway, But honestly,
I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
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or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
there at five o'clock in the morning warning and sometimes
you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes, I
was underage. They didn't really care back then and maybe
not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was there
in different hours, but never I never was concerned parked
on the street walk by myself to my car. I
wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
Speaker 13 (01:32:16):
No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then, however, Yeah,
I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
And this is because of right the current leadership that
we have.
Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
And I imagine it is probably having an impact on
real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent six
hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get that
back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and the
motive behind it to get young money earning taxpayers to
move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that they
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talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
Why because they embraced this sort of liberal philosophy when
it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
We'll have a few more minute. It's with Sarah Herringer.
Take a quick break. Here be right back fifty five KRC,
the talk station. I'm seven fifty one, fifty five KRC
the talk station, closing out this hour long discussion with
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Sarah Herringer, the widow of Patrick Herringer, and we've been
talking about the aftermath of the tragedy that happened to
their home on June fourth, when someone broke into their
home in the middle of the night, four o'clock in
the morning and stabbed her late husband to death. And
this has given her a platform to bring to everyone's attention,
most notably those who might not be inclined to vote
in an election. I will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah.
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I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but
at least you know you're in a position because of
this that people are paying attention to what you're saying. Right,
You're a provider of valuable information, and with the spotlight
on you, people are like, oh my god. I did
not know that was going on. I did not know
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that we had no accountability with these program I didn't
realize the judicial system was this broke when we got
judges releasing these repeat offenders over and over again. So
I know my listening audience, and I certainly applaud your
efforts in doing this, because in spite of the tragedy,
you have to deal with and continue to cope with
at least you have the limelight for a while. Do
you think there is any possibility as we fast approach
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the November election, we have a complete Democrat council and
I don't think that necessarily means that they are against
police or not. But we know over the past forty
years what has happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're
down on police numbers. We know they didn't get ahead
of the police department numbers loss. We know that they
in some cases maybe of allocated resources that should have
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gone to law enforcement or public safety in other directions.
Do you think there's still hope for the city? I mean,
would an administration change or a shake up on the
membership of council or maybe the mayor. And I know
it's an unlikely scenario that the city's going to start
maybe turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a
seat change on council and leadership might help?
Speaker 13 (01:35:07):
I would have to say yes that a seat change
would help. I also want to be critical of those
who just think if we changed over the entire regime,
then these problems would just go away overnight.
Speaker 12 (01:35:24):
It's still power.
Speaker 13 (01:35:25):
That is being abused and what's really important for people
to understand and to learn how to navigate when we're
intentionally not tadd this. As Americans, you get a Civics
class in ninth grade when you're too young and you
don't care, and the rest of your time is spent
on STEM. You only learn about the political system if
you choose to major as a political science major. But
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there needs to be a demand of transparency and accountability
for whomever is in leadership, and the leadership now they
they could change, you know, if we go back to
cancel culture even it's like, why don't you give people
an opportunity to make changes and show us can they
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or will they?
Speaker 12 (01:36:13):
And if they won't, then yeah.
Speaker 13 (01:36:15):
I think that's a pretty good argument for getting someone
out and giving someone who is saying that they're in
alignment with your values and want what you want a
really good chance.
Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
And it is the truth. You may not get that entirely.
Speaker 13 (01:36:31):
And so I don't think we should put all of
our eggs in one basket of we need a complete
new regime, We need an entirely new leadership. We also
need to learn how to use our voices to hold
those accountable who are there.
Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
am take a cheap shot at after have Purwall when
he leaves town after knowing full well there has been
a terribly violent occurrence in the city, and he decides
to leave in the afternoon and go on vacation anyway, Yes,
I said that out loud. I'm not putting words in
Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it speaks volumes about
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a failed administration. Sarah. I I am a listening audience,
and I pray for you, you know, for your swift
recovery in the aftermath. It's very an emotional time for you.
But again, I really truly applaud your efforts and trying
to get people engaged and involved. And if you could
ask something of my listening audience, I mean, what would
you say, I mean, be more like me and bring
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this to people's attention, talk about it more. I mean,
any advice or something you would ask of them, Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 12 (01:37:31):
I wouldn't tell them to be more like me.
Speaker 13 (01:37:33):
I would say I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
for sure. But these are really important things and people.
I do believe that most people are good people. They're
doing the best that they can, and we all want
safe you know, safe homes, safe communities, a place for
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us to have a good life, for us to create
beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Sarah Herringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
and I hope you continue. You got a good voice,
you have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
of people generally speaking for what you're doing and the
courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
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up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
place a phone call here to the fifty five krs
more and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
love having the studio.
Speaker 12 (01:38:48):
Yep, We'll come anytime.
Speaker 10 (01:38:50):
Today's top headlines coming up at the top.
Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Of the hour.
Speaker 10 (01:38:53):
The changes every minute fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Five krz the talk station hour or more yesterday on
this man's Facebook page. You should follow him on Facebook.
Andrea an Dre Andre ewing for retired since St police officer,
thirty years of service to our community. Proud of that
he is and he continues to advocate. He is the
founder of a called Curse Breakers, three hundred strong and
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Death Row Ministries. UH Police Peace Officer Deactivation Specialist Andre
ewing Man, I am so pleased you came in to
talk to us this morning. It's pleasure to have you
in the studio.
Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
Thank you, brother Brian. I appreciate it. I'm so glad
to be here. And I'm on fire. You are on fire, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
And that's what was so cool about what you were saying,
speaking truth to power, passionate and your reaction to the
violence in the city of Cincinnati, which it sounds I
mean it's almost as if you knew it was coming
because you posted a video on the twenty fourth criticizing
the administration. You were at Police Chief threes Thiji and
you know all about it because you're a police officer
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for that period of time. Share along. You went after
the mayor officials demanding a change in administration because clearly
we're on the wrong path. And then one day later,
look what happens in downtown Cincinnati. So you had a
nice follow up to that one. So let my listeners
know where you are on all this Andre.
Speaker 10 (01:40:13):
Absolutely, it's disgusting, disgusting.
Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
Just listening to Chief Thiji's interview yesterday, it was absolutely ridiculous.
We are a nationwide joke right now in Cincinnati, the
issues of talking about you only had uh two officers
respond that was dispatched. That was in the central Business section,
and she even said, over one hundred thousand people and
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you're dispatching cars to a scene where there's so many
people and vehicles. But here here we have around the
country where people are getting ran over. Why wasn't those
streets just completely blocked off that there were no vehicle
traffic number one so the officers can get there and
there's no officers on.
Speaker 10 (01:41:02):
Foot in the area. Absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
It took us six minutes to get there, which you know,
in terms of response time. I don't know if that's
good or bad, but you're talking about a downtown Cincinnati
that's got three major events going on, and people don't
just pack up and go home at eleven pm when
the rock when the music stops, they head over the
door district and go into the bars. And so they're
going to be into the bars until the bars are
going to close. So you have obviously a lot of
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people that are going to be pouring into that neighborhood.
You would expect it to be police all over, and
that's what you were advocating for on your on your
Facebook posts. How come there were police on the on
the corners of the street in an area where you knew,
damn well, there's going to be a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 9 (01:41:40):
My point exactly, why didn't you have police on every corner,
saturated to tell people welcome to Cincinnati, wave at people.
Speaker 10 (01:41:52):
But no, why because.
Speaker 9 (01:41:53):
Administration did not allocate the proper units downtown to deactivate
things like.
Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
This or just to prevent them from happening by their
mere presence. Absolutely, yeah, and that you know the police
presidence is so critical. Now respond to this, and I'm
not really playing devil's advocate because I'm in full agreement
with your perception at what should have gone down. But
her response. Police Chief Thigi's response might be, well, we're understaffed.
They only had three officers at that moment in time,
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at three o'clock in the morning that were even available
to respond. That's a pretty sizable area. And of course
with all those people there, clearly three officers ain't gonna
cut it exactly.
Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
So if you know you're gonna be understaffed prior to
then wouldn't you make the proper adjustments beforehand? We knew
a year out this event is coming to town, and
you see the things that are curring, but yet you
did not plan effectively and had no type of strategy.
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So that should tell you once again leadership map and
in this case, leadership failed.
Speaker 10 (01:43:02):
And what do you have?
Speaker 9 (01:43:04):
Total chaos in the city of Cincinnati. I told them before,
you must want Gotham City. And I've always said on
my post, who's next?
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Who's next? There? But for the grace of God go
anybody that goes downtown. And I know you had some
really pointed comments and warnings to my white friends out
in the listening audience about what they should prepare for
and maybe shouldn't even bother going downtown because I think
that's your choice. As well. He said major events like that,
you're not going to get anywhere near.
Speaker 10 (01:43:34):
Them, absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (01:43:37):
We see what's going on even locally and abroad nationwide,
and if the police are not setting things up for
us to feel safe and secure. And I walk into
a situation and I see angry people, I see situations happening,
and I just want to come out of an establishment
and just walk down the street, and I may have
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an alter and the next thing you know, me and
my friends may get completely beat down, and the narrative
of being twisted, which is very interesting that I've seen.
Speaker 10 (01:44:10):
If this was an.
Speaker 9 (01:44:11):
Entire all white mob on a black person, it would
be considered a.
Speaker 10 (01:44:17):
Hate crime from the get go, from the get go.
Speaker 9 (01:44:20):
But even Chief Fiji set there and said, this fight,
this fight, We do know who it is. Turn yourself in, no,
put these individuals on blast, name them by name, Let
the people in the community know this behavior is unacceptable.
So if it was actually disgusting to her, why are
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you requesting they turned themselves in versus putting their picture
on TV and saying this is who it is and
we're coming to get you.
Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
We'll bring back Andre Outstanding seven thirty six right now,
if you've got a casity, the suxiations stick around.
Speaker 11 (01:44:57):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeart radio station.
Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
The party's just getting started. Outstanding, outspoken Andrea Ewing. Follow
him on Facebook, check out his videos. He pulls literally
no punchings at all. Andre. You know, I apologize I
didn't get a chance to see your most recent post,
but caption all in caps. This makes me sick. City
leaders calling in the lincoln Ware shows saying the white
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man got the action he deserves. Now, I had heard
that that some people said that this was totally justifiable.
And I don't know what led to the ultimate melee
and beat down of these people, but I can't come
up with a single action that could justify that mob behavior.
How could anybody suggest that that man or the woman
who got punched square in the face deserved what they got.
Speaker 9 (01:45:45):
Exactly, There is no justification, period, zero justification. And when
you look at that and the comments that were called
in into the lincoln Ware Show, when you can read
the comments and people saying, yeah, that's would he get
you bring the action, you get the action. And we
had literally leaders like David Whitehead, the leader of the
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NAACP call in, and it seemed as if he was
being motivated by the comments that were constantly going against Smitherman.
Collin Smitherman a coon, a sellout. And I'm sitting there
watching and I'm listening and I'm reading. I said, this
is disgusting that we have blacks that are saying this
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is what you get. So that's why I also stated,
no wonder our young people are following suit, because if
our own leaders are saying this is how you handle business,
then don't say absolutely nothing to our children.
Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
You know, that's a really, really good point. And Christopher's
been on that theme for a long time. It's where
are our city leaders advocating to support the police, to
support non violence, to you know, engage in a positive
relationship with the police for the betterment of the communities.
And I've heard time and time again the vast majority
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of blacks, if you talk to them individually, they want
safe streets. They don't have a problem with the police.
In fact, as illustrated by over the weekend, there aren't
enough around. We need more. But the loud voice gets
the attention, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sadly,
you know, the squeaky Wills. Perhaps the president current president
of the NAACP's part of the problem. I don't know,
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but they're the ones that people tend to listen to.
And that sounds like what representatives of the black community
are advocating for. And yeah, that's gonna rub off on children. Absolutely,
absolutely think about this.
Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
Sheryl Long literally remove District five, took it completely out
of a community.
Speaker 10 (01:47:49):
But yet the.
Speaker 9 (01:47:50):
Mayor and the chief stand by and say safety is
our number one priority. And we see that Sarah Harry,
she blew the rooftop off of a lot of issues
that the city was portraying and tested her own numbers
against theirs.
Speaker 10 (01:48:10):
And so if it's your top priority, and now.
Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
All of a sudden you're saying, oh, we need more police,
but you took a police district out of a community.
Speaker 10 (01:48:19):
Make it make sense, brother, Brian Police.
Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
I can't.
Speaker 6 (01:48:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
The only thing I can come up with, Annie is
they are so afraid of acknowledging that there's a crime
problem because it's bad press. It's gonna maybe make people considered.
I don't want to move to Cincinnati, but you can,
I mean, you can't deny your I mean it's like,
don't believe you're lying eyes. People who live in the
city know there's a problem. I mean, the police know
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their problem, and the ignoring the problem, and I think
it's really probably driven by just the fact that we
just don't want to acknowledge it, to talk about it
because it just looks bad. Well, welcome to front page
news across the United States of America with what happened
on Saturday morning.
Speaker 9 (01:49:00):
One thousand percent. And police officers are frustrated. Oh yeah,
they are extremely frustrated because I know for a fact
that they do go out here and do their job
and deal with a lot of issues, and they deactivate.
Speaker 10 (01:49:16):
As much as they can. They really do.
Speaker 9 (01:49:19):
But I've been an advocate to always say I'm not
here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, and
if my fellow officers are doing something they shouldn't be doing,
I've always wanted to be an advocate to say, look,
this is what's right, and this is what's wrong.
Speaker 10 (01:49:34):
But when I see it wrong, and I see.
Speaker 9 (01:49:36):
A community constantly going against itself, murders on the ride.
Speaker 10 (01:49:41):
Black on black crimes.
Speaker 9 (01:49:43):
And these same civil leaders have nothing to say, absolutely nothing.
That's disgusting because we both know that the multiple murders
that occur are with on our black youth and the
murders in Cincinnati, and no one is taking accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
We'll bring back Andre for one more segment Andre Ewing
before we get to the bright part Insights scoop after
the top of the air news again. Check him out
on Facebook and the level you have what he has
to say. One more segment with Andre Ewing.
Speaker 11 (01:50:14):
Fifty five KRC You're one stop for.
Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
A fifty about PARACP talk station Marinontown was with Andre Ewing,
retired police officer and you're you're like a community activist.
You speak to youth groups and and and you know,
I guess I'm just kind of curious what you're doing
in your your your in the time you're not here
in my studio talking to my listeners. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (01:50:34):
Just did something with the Urban League. It was powerful.
Speaker 9 (01:50:37):
Oh yeah, the Urban Champions and just had a great
encounter with some young youth and trying to promote and
show them there's a different way to go about situations.
And it's interesting everything that we told them to do.
What they saw downtown was exactly the example we said
This is what happens if you run to a five,
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if you go to a fight, if you present yourself
and has speakers there telling them to turn the other
way and to make sure that everyone is safe, everyone,
not just some. Well, I appreciate your speaking to the
young people. They certainly need a clear and convincing voice
like yours.
Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
Um.
Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
But speaking of change, and I said to you off air,
I said, you know what, Andre, You and I both
know it. Come November, the residents of the city of
Cincinnati have an opportunity to vote. And you know, the
definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting a different result. But they're still
going to vote for the same clowns in office. And
you had advocated for a change in administration on your
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onet of your recent videos. What's your take on the
upcoming election in November? And do you think this is
an opportunity for change in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 10 (01:51:47):
It's a perfect opportunity for change.
Speaker 9 (01:51:50):
It's interesting because if this was a professional team and
they went oh for twelve, what do you do we want.
Speaker 10 (01:51:57):
To go oh and twelve again?
Speaker 9 (01:52:00):
We talk about the Bengals, if they would have had
the proper defense in place. Guess what might be talking
about Super Bowl champs with the offense that they had,
but guess what they decided to get more power, impactful
people on defense. So let's deal with the truth of
the matter. We are in a position to make change.
(01:52:21):
I would love to see the debate. Let them go
at it one on one, debate this thing, go right
at the situation, and let's see who exactly would be
best for the position of mayor because at this point,
what we have seen and if you want this to
continue at this state, we are going to be in
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a world of mess. And this is exactly what we see.
And it should start from the top down. And I've
said it before, Teresa Thiji needs to go.
Speaker 10 (01:52:57):
Yeah, just go out.
Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
There's so many powerful candidates out there, so many powerful
candidates out there. She needs to resign, leave at this
moment and allow us to go out and see if
there are other individuals more qualified, more experienced and understand
city dynamics and are willing to work with everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Well, this police chief THESI, I don't presume it, but
I presume that you do regularly speak with members of
law enforcement who are still actively with the police department.
I mean you got friends, right, you hear you talk
to them? How's it? Is there a sense that they
have any respect for leadership within the department.
Speaker 10 (01:53:38):
Zero leadership and that's a shame.
Speaker 9 (01:53:40):
And I have this on one of my posts is
where Sheryl Long was going into several police districts with
actually Scottie Johnson and ask the police officers, who would
you like to see a chief? And at the time
the mud red tie had sat back and said, well,
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Lisa Davis, Colonel Lisa Davis said we would.
Speaker 10 (01:54:06):
We think she.
Speaker 9 (01:54:06):
Would be a great advocate. She's a community person, she understands.
And guess what, she still picked Teresa Thiji. Now that's
interesting because people did not officers did not want her
in the morale and what you see and people being
motivated started from the top down. And what Chryl Long
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decided to do without listening to officers and the proper
way to select the chief of our city.
Speaker 10 (01:54:37):
And from these results, you are seeing.
Speaker 9 (01:54:40):
Us getting blasted by individuals on podcasts across the country
talking about our city and how terrible it is.
Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
So low morale. And then I'm sure we of course
know about the low morale within the police department because
of the criminal justice system. Generally speaking, why bother arresting
the kid for breaking curfew when there is going to
be nothing at all, zero done to them, absolutely zero.
Speaker 9 (01:55:04):
Nothing will happen. Usually if we even take someone to
twenty twenty a juvenile, we're calling their parents on the way,
make sure you come get your child. As soon as
they come in, they're walking straight out. And these kids
understand the system that they can take it to the
whole next level and then say, well, when I turn eighteen,
(01:55:25):
I'll just get my record expongs. Absolutely ridiculous. Gun laws
need to be increased that we're not playing If you
get caught with a gun, we're not playing games with you.
We're gonna hold you accountable. You will do some time,
You will do some time. So these judges need to
step it up and stop playing games.
Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Yeah, that's always very puzzling to me because you know,
if after Purvol had his way, he would take away
everyone's guns. And that's not your position, because you had
advocated on one of your posts that we should be armed.
You know, you know, go to the range train, learn
how to properly use it. You know, you know, if
you as long as you're lawfully able to carry a firearm,
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you probably should because that way you can defend yourself.
Speaker 9 (01:56:10):
And that's just the society we live in today. But
now what is the perception of defending yourself? That's why
I said, when you were downtown in this circumstance, and
if somebody had a firearm and started to just let off,
we would have at least twenty to twenty five people
(01:56:32):
dead and more critically injured based on this situation. While
people were armed, and I bet you there were people
that were armed that maybe just didn't pull their weapon
at the time.
Speaker 10 (01:56:44):
But during that beat down, would someone had.
Speaker 9 (01:56:47):
Been justified to pull in and try to save the
gentleman who was getting mobbed against who was getting attacked
and kick brutally and savagely he could be a damage
for life brain down much he was in. A woman
savagely was struck. So if somebody would have put out
a gun and start a firing, would they have been wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
H No, they wouldn't you know what I'm thinking of.
The guy who saved maybe multiple lives at that walmart
up was a Milwaukee The guy that was stabbing, he
stabbed eleven people and long comes a marine with a
firearm that didn't put the guy down, but stopped the
violence from happening. If you have reasonable eminent apprehension of
grievous bodily harm that guy was suffering from grievous bodily
(01:57:31):
harm at the time, or you have a legitimate reasonable
fear for your own life, you were allowed to use
deadly force. So and I talked with the FOP president
just the other day about that. He agreed with me completely.
Absolutely use of a firearm under those circumstances would have
been justified.
Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
Absolutely. When people are.
Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Freaked out, they think some left wing prosecutor is going
to go after them for defending their lives or defending
the lives of others. So there creates that reluctance in
society because they think they're going to be the ones prosecuted,
not the person given the beat down.
Speaker 10 (01:58:01):
Now, this is interesting. I want to ask you some brother, Brian.
Speaker 9 (01:58:04):
When there's a UFC cage fight, they have a ref
right there in the middle. Once this ref sees it's
out of control and that person may even remotely lose consciously,
they step in. That's it. It's over. You don't continue
to go because why they understand the issues that continue
(01:58:26):
to happen. Well, guess what, there was no referee down here,
and we continue to see beat down, another hid in
the face, another kicking a face, another jab in the faith.
It was consistent with beyond almost aggravated assault, and they
should be prosecuted to the highest level.
Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Under a ewing. You know what, someday I want to
be interviewing you as candidate for office, you run for
counsel or maybe run for mayor or something like that.
I think you get a lot of votes. Man, Yes sir, Yes, sir,
once you consider that, you got to your eye. Maybe
you have been considering it. It's not too late, yes, sir,
it's not too late. Yes, sir, you always have an
(01:59:06):
opportunity here on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show. I
love your message, I love your passion. I know you
care about the city, you care about our youth, and
you know there's a better direction, a better path. Maybe
we'll all wake up in the city and find that
path in November.
Speaker 9 (01:59:18):
Yes, sir, thank you so much. May Man, it's been fun,
it's been awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
You come back again.
Speaker 10 (01:59:23):
All about the truth.
Speaker 11 (01:59:24):
Fifty five KRC yes.
Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Count circumstances obviously difficult and maybe slightly uncomfortable. My next
guest Holly mononym, and I think it I'm going to
have to ask Holly how she feels about that well
known she is by her first name only. She was,
as we all watched in horror at the videotape of
the July twenty six beat down the curtain downtown Cincinnati
made nationwide headlines punched in the face, seemingly undeserving of
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any type of violence, and who could justify violence on
that level? Welcome to the fifty five Kroosee Morning Show. Holly.
Thank you for deciding to join the program this morning.
I my listeners truly appreciated.
Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Now, thank you for inviting me. I'm
finally starting to heal and feel better, so you know,
I'm glad to finally be able to come on and
talk about everything.
Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Well, and I'm glad you're willing to do that. I
have to ask out, just what is it like being
you and thrust into the national spotlight. Certainly this is
not something you were clamoring for by way of attention.
Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
Holly, It's definitely terrifying, to say the least. Especially the
way that everything happened and went down. I know, you know,
I've had so much love from so many people, but
there are also some there was a lot of hate
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on the other side as well, or people who didn't
know the full story who wanted to make their own opinion.
And unfortunately, there were some leaders in Cincinnati who were
also trying to change the narrative and smear my name
as well. When I just kept asking, you know, where
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were the where was the police presence during all of this,
because everything that happened truly was preventable. So the more
that I just kept asking that question, the more my
name became smeared, and so in the national headline, I
think a lot of people have a misconception of everything.
Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Well, what exactly did happen? We all know how it ended, Holly.
You were taken to the hospital, you almost died, and
you can correct the record if that is not correct.
But we've all seen the post beating photographs of you.
You obviously suffered a horrific, horrific damages, and I'm glad
to hear that you're doing better. But up to the
point in time where you got punched in the face,
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seemingly without any justification what led up to that moment
in time?
Speaker 5 (02:02:02):
So that night, I went out to a friend's birthday party.
I don't really get out much. I'm a single mom,
and so I didn't have my daughter that night, and
there was a friend's birthday party at a place that
I'd never been to before. So and I had never
heard of the Jazz Festival as well, because I don't
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live in Cincinnati. I live in Dayton, so I drove
up there. But I've always loved Cincinnati, and apparently that's
one of the biggest crime weekends out of the whole year,
which we'll get to that of why like the police
presence was such a big deal of like them.
Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
Not being there.
Speaker 5 (02:02:46):
But yeah, we had went to a dance club for
the birthday party, had a great time, came out to
wait for Uber, and there was just a huge mob
of people that were out there and they were making
some comments towards.
Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
The group.
Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
That we were with, which I won't give too many details.
There's still investigation going on, but you know, to say,
the least five people in the group that I was
with was attacked by about thirty people. They were around
one hundred people on the streets that you know, everyone
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was watching. And then they each each of the five
people had at least five or six men on them,
attacking them, kicking them, punching them, and I mean it
got to the point where everyone at one point had
got knocked out, kicked on the ground, kicked in their head,
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kicked on their bodies. And then when they stood up,
a new group just jumped in and it was like
the mob is just riling each other up, and they
were like, yeah, I get them. So then a new group.
You know, it wasn't just one person one on one fighting,
I mean it was it was an attack. And there
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was one in particular he had he had been knocked
to the ground at least two or three times in
my memory, and I mean he was just he was
literally getting curbs ump. He had blood all over him
getting kicked and punched. I found out recently that it
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was specifically twenty eight times that he was kicked in
the head, If that tells you how bad it was getting.
And everybody just had their video cameras out there laughing,
they're high fiving. It was absolutely grotesque to see how
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just the group people were enjoying watching these people get
beat to it into their life. And the man started
crying out to God and was he was just like, please, God,
someone saved me. Please, And I you know, I instinctively
just jumped in. I'm you know, I'm a Christian, I'm
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a mom. Like my instincts, I was like, I can't,
I can't just sit here and do nothing unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Ally And that was the gentleman that you were attending
to when you got punched in the face. Is that
the man you're referring to?
Speaker 3 (02:05:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:05:36):
Yeah, And you know, for the record, I had just
met him that night at the birthday party a few
hours before. I know, the media kept saying, you know,
the guy's wife or the guy's girlfriend or whatever, like
I had just met him, and so I just, you know,
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just felt the need too. I thought that if I
because I knew if he continued to stay down, he
was going to die, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
It was.
Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
It was just that bad that people were not stopping,
and more people were continuing to jump in every time
he fell down.
Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Did you say anything before you were punched in the face.
Were any exchanges between you and the man who's been
identified as responsible for your beating with Patrick Roseman, who's
I guess still currently in jail because of the bond issue.
But any words exchanged between YouTube before you got punched.
Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
So I helped the gentleman up who was on the ground,
and then I stood in between him and the main
person who was beating him, and I just kept saying,
please stop, stop, please, you know, waving my hands around.
And you know, there's there's video of it online which
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there's different angles. Some of the angles that looks it
doesn't look the best, but if you see straight on angles,
you can literally see me saying please stop, stop, please,
you know. And the guy that punched me actually, just
from what I'm told, he wasn't even really he wasn't
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part of the fight. He was one of the watchers,
if you will. And he came from the side, he
came out of nowhere and just cold cocked me in
the face. And I was out before I even hit
the ground. So my whole body weight was on my head.
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My head hit the concrete really hard, and due to that,
I am still suffering some you know, major neurological issues.
So when I say I'm healing, like my face is healed,
which is great, but there's definitely some after mask that's
going on. I'm still seeing a lot of different specialists
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and stuff. I'm suffering from short term memory, So it's
like anything that has happened after that event, you know.
Sometimes you know, I just don't I have three to
five minutes basically of after a conversation to write something
down to help me to remember, or I just forget.
Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Well, I imagine it's it has had to have I'm
guessing it had to have dramatically change your perception of
life generally. Are you struggling with if I can use
this term post traumatic stress? I mean I would be
very concerned about being in public and any downtown environments
after something horrific like that happened literally out of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (02:08:39):
It seems Oh, absolutely yeah. It has literally changed my life.
It's changed my whole perspective on everything.
Speaker 10 (02:08:50):
You know, I'm I.
Speaker 5 (02:08:51):
Definitely have a lot of anxiety I didn't have before,
and I really don't leave the house unless it's for
doctor's visits or something, you know, with my child, or
when I advocate. I've been helping to really be like
a victim's advocate for a lot of this and speaking
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publicly because I think that what happened to me was
very preventable, and I think that we have a lack
of leadership in not just Cincinnati but a lot of cities.
But where this happened to me in Cincinnati, you have.
Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
A prominent elected official and council that said you deserved it.
Speaker 5 (02:09:39):
Yeah, that's so, that's what really has fueled me to
speak out and be like, this is not okay. So
I have the police chief who afterwards publicly had said
that I was a Russian spy, a Russian asset, something
like that. And I led the country, which had a
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lot of people in uproar, and I was like, I'm
I'm an American, I'm a proud Ohio and what is happening?
You know? And I had to go into hiding.
Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Even if you were from Russia or had some contact whatever,
does some Russian national deserve less protection? And does does
that person deserve a beating from someone randomly just walking
up and cole cocking to the point where almost died.
And it's a preposterous suggestion.
Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Horrible, horrible. And then after that is when yeah, the
president of the city council, I forget her name, but yeah,
she publicly said that got to beat down that I deserved,
and then well she said, we all, the five of us,
got to beat down we deserve. And then next day
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publicly backed that up and went on an interview and said,
I stand by my statement, and I just I just
don't understand how somebody like that is, even in a
leadership position, encouraging these felons and thugs. Most of the
people that were in this fight were repeat offenders who
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should have still been in jail for their previous one,
and there were a few of them who were out
on bail from reason activity, and they they're just let
out on the streets to continue to attack innocent victims.
And then you have the counsel woman who is backing
it up, saying, you know, at a boy basically to them,
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it's just wild.
Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
To me.
Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Well, fortunately she's not running for reelection, but sadly she
didn't choose to step down to the honorable right thing
for those offensive words. To this day, I still can't
comprehend that an elected official would say something like that,
especially without all the information in and I know the
defense attorney keeps saying there's more to it. We haven't
seen all the video and Holly, I don't know if
you have, but you know, all the information isn't yet
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out of there. Have you have you seen a linear
progression of this with all the video evidence of the
Prosecutor's office has accumulated.
Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
I have.
Speaker 5 (02:12:14):
I've only seen what is online. Yes, but I you know,
I know that you know, we were innocent victims, sitting
there just waiting for our uber. It wasn't you know
so many people have made up so many stories that
are going around, and you know we started it and
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this and that. We're like we were waiting for our uber,
like we were attacked by a mob. Is it so
hard to believe that, you know that could happen to someone?
Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Well, Holly, back to the time when the physical part
of it began again, You're standing there waiting for your uber.
This crowd of people it starts taunting you or whatever.
Do you remember anything that triggered the violence? Was there?
Something that happened was a racial slurd use, not that
it was just, but anything you recall is the moment
in time when the beatings began.
Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
No, so to my knowledge, I do not. I did
not hear the whole night.
Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
We were there.
Speaker 5 (02:13:14):
You know, we were we were, there was a mixed crowd,
you know, white and black people, so you know, there
was the inward was never thrown out the whole time
we were there for hours at the dance club, coming outside,
the inward was never used. And you know, there was
a lot of slander towards us, being pretty much we
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were the only white people that were out on the street.
There were slanderer's words, and there were some Russians that
were with us. But you know, and I don't really
know why that triggered them so much. They kept saying,
you know, get the Russians or whatever, but yeah, nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:13:59):
To justify it. Now.
Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
I know they're during the fight, one of the white guys,
the victims, while he was knocked out and robbed, his
wallet also was stolen, and so when he jumped up,
he did say the inWORD, which I do not approve of,
Like he said, somebody gets that inward. But that was
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the only time I remember hearing the word even being said.
Was way after anything had happened. So no, I mean,
that's what's still so shocking is that, no, we weren't
doing anything to aggravate it or start it or.
Speaker 10 (02:14:44):
Any of that.
Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Just so hard to process that this happened in the
city Cincinnati, Holly, I really obviously wish and pray that
it never had happened to you. And I'm glad to
hear that you're doing better. And I'm gonna ask my
listeners to keep keep you in their prayers and wish
for your speedy lan term recovery. Ally, and if you
had to ask something of our elected officials beyond maintaining
a sense of proper decorum and not making ridiculous comments
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like we talked about, what are you hoping for is
going to come out of this? What are we going
to learn for it? Is it simply a question of
proper allocation of law enforcement resources?
Speaker 5 (02:15:16):
Yeah, I absolutely. I just want to know why they
keep turning down any and all help that's thrown at them.
Speaker 10 (02:15:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:15:27):
And I know for a fact that for years now
they've had help that's been offered to them by the state,
by the higher up sheriff's office because they're low on
police officers, And I just want to know, why do
you keep turning it down? Because we are suffering. I
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might have permanent damage for the rest of my life,
and there are people literally getting killed out there weekly,
you know, and there are people, innocent, people who should
never have to deal with this, and and I just
want to know ever, you know, and I know there's
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more police presence now because this was such a national thing,
and you know, thank god, we have amazing people who
have been really backing us up, like you know, Bernie
Marino and Corey Bowman, Christopher Smitherman, you know, Dave Yost.
Like it's just so many people who have come together
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say enough is enough and now there is more. But
it really had to come with them heavily breathing down
them and making it a national news and for them
to finally give in and say, okay, we'll start stepping.
Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
It up two days, two days a month. I'm sure
that you find that time unacceptable when the when the
offer was for a full month regularly, real quick here,
Hollyford Company, I can't thank you enough for spending time
with my listeners and me this morning. Has the mayor
ever reached out to you directly?
Speaker 10 (02:17:06):
No?
Speaker 5 (02:17:07):
No, So the mayor has not reached out, and he
has said that it's not his job to reach out
to the victim, which I find that very upsetting. I
think that at a bare minimal he should, and not
only has he not reached out, but he has gone
on different news outlets to take strolls down Cincinnati where
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murders are, being happy that you know, murders and attacks,
saying it's safe, look at the streets, you know, come
on down, instead of apologizing and saying we'll do.
Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
Better, I guess it's safe. If you're the mayor of
the city of Cincinnati, Holly, thank you so much. I
appreciate your willingness to come on the program, and I
hope they will listen to your concerns and come up
with a better way to police in downtown Cincinnati so
this never happens again. Today's top headlines coming up at
the top of.
Speaker 12 (02:17:59):
The hour literally moved so fast on.
Speaker 1 (02:18:02):
Fifty five KRC, the talkstation.
Speaker 10 (02:18:05):
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