Betsy Sundermann wants your vote for judge

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We need a change in the city. You don't do
the same thing over and over again being unhappy with
the results. Try a different path. That path includes voting
for judge Betsy Sunnemon. Betsy Sunnyman, welcome back to the

(01:20):
fifty five KRC Morning Show. Always appreciate having you on
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Thank you, good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, let's start with the congratulations. You scored the FOP endorsement.
That's a valuable endorsement.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, that's an especially good one this year with all
the concern about rising crime in the city. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Amen. So you're on Domestic Relations Court right now. As
a judge, You've got quite a history in the city
of Cincinnati. Going over your record, you're a magistrate in
pro big court start out with, and you also run
CINCINNTI City Council back in the day when we had
well differing voices on the council offering difference of difference
of opinion and offering different solutions for problems. We don't

(01:58):
have that anymore, which is why I'm having locating for
change in elected officials for the election November. It was
a different time when you served on sin Say City Council.
What's your observations of council right now? Moving away from
the judicial race.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, when I was on council, I talked about how
important it is to have diversity of thought. There was
a lot of diversity in other ways, you know, gender, race,
but there was there was no diversity of thought when
I joined council, and now there's no diversity of thought again.

(02:34):
I mean, it would be good if we could get
a couple of Republicans elected for council. Smitherman would be
great too, to get elected, just to add a little
a little bit of back and forth when they're voting
on something, because right now it seems like they all
just kind of agree on everything. And why do you
need nine council members when they all agree? Why not

(02:56):
just have one council member. The point of having nine
is so there's some kind of discussion and different perspectives
brought to the conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Indeed, and you know, I don't want to overlook Steve Gooden.
I mean I think Steve Gooden is brilliant. He's running
as a charter right So there's an alternative voice as well,
not under the R or D or independent moniker. But
you know, charter rights have a long term, long time.
You know, I think the view of among most people
the charter rights are good people and they're for good governance.

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And there's your alternative opinion to the Democrat leaning well,
the uniform Democrat vote. Right now, we've got so great
options as we approach the fall. But yeah, we were
talking the other day about this with the non governmental
organizations getting all kinds of money out of the city budget.
Mayor AFTAB provol and city manager share it long, just
decide which ones of the multitude out there are going

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to get money. And then, of course, with only one
uniform Democrat leaning vote, all the council members is basically
rubber stamp it. And then there's no accountability for the
NGOs afterwards. So if Betsy Sunnerman's there, or Steve Gooden
is there, or Christopher Smithman is there, they can raise
their hand and go whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second,
this NGO has done the following or shouldn't be worthy
of the money, et cetera, at least interjecting that alternative voice.

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And of course, on the bench, you're running for municipal court,
you're gonna have to be dealing with crimes. How does
your experience on the domestic relations bench and your experience
as a magistrate and probiate court help you and guide
you in terms of being ready for the municipal court bench,
Bensy Suedderman.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, before those jobs, I was a Hamilton County prosecutor
for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
True, I overlooked that fun fact.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
So of course I went through municipal court. In that office,
we just went through all the courts. You start in
the lower courts and you work your way up and
you kind of learn everything. Yeah, so I like matter
how it was back in the day. I liked it
when bad guys got locked up and people got reasonable
bonds to protect the public. And we voted on this

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issue one a couple of years ago. I was saying
that judges can consider public safety when setting bonds, which
seems really obvious. But most of the judges are not
considering public safety. They're just considering what's the best for
the defendant, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well it is. And the other thing is I mean
that the standards for evaluating what the bond should be.
The judge can say they considered public safety, but then
I had to go ahead and release someone on unrecognizance
bond and sort of you know, explain themselves out of
why public safety was considered without really actually considering it.

(05:38):
It's easy to say you considered it and not do
it right.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I would be curious to know if one of
the more liberal judges was a victim of a crime,
would they'd be okay with the person getting an O
R bond if it was their neighbor who attacked them,
or you know, someone who they would possibly see be
scared of on a daily day. What would they say
about another judge letting that person go free while the

(06:05):
case is pending. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, you know, I'm just reminded this case that I
brought up this morning because the Dan Hill's former FOP
president chimed in on it, wondering how his former Butler
County teacher got probation for having I think twenty three
instances of child porn, distributing child porn, and transmitting child

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porn found guilty last month all twenty three charges after
the indictment on child porn, but only got two months
in jail. Now, I thought it rather odd that the
judge had said this has been devastating to his In
other words, a guy who possessed the child's porn child
porn devastating to his family. That's a given and I'm
sure something that will be a burden on him the

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remain of his life. It sounds to me like he's
only considering the victim and his feelings and with the
impact on his family, what of the children who were
molested and depicting this child porn? I mean a probation. Now,
I'm not asking you to come on a specific case,
but you know, if that's something like that's in front
of me and you can't give an advisory opinion, I
mean I just did a loss.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean, I can't imagine the judges truly think that's
the right thing to do. I have to believe that
it's just pressure from the Democratic Party, because the Democratic Party,
including AFTAB primarily has told all the judges if you don't,
if you don't let everybody out, basically I will run

(07:33):
people against you. So I don't know. Do you think
that this is their true moral belief that everyone should
be out and about or do you think it's just
it must just be political pressure that I have to
believe that, because I can't believe an intelligent person would
think that's the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, but pause as we go to a break here,
Betsy Sunman, how does one conclude that letting people out
should be the default position regardless of what the crime is.
That's the position that's been suggested coming from the mayor's office,
that in and of itself exists in a land of
insanity from my perspective. But we'll pause. Bring Betsy's Sunnemon back.

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Speaker 1 (10:09):
Seven fifty five KR and C the talk station. Brian
Thomas here with Betsy Sounneman Judge settent Sonnement in the
domestic relations court running for municipal Court. Judge, you got
an opportunity to get someone who's going to be tougher
on crime with a vote for Betsy's sentnament. I will
encourage you to do that. Betsy. Pivoting over to the
idea of bond and the reasons for the criminal courts.
It seems to me that part of the problem with

(10:29):
the crime that we have in the city of Cincinnati,
and we keep going back to you folks that show
up in court. They've been there a million times before
for a variety of different crimes. The record is known
to the judge, and yet the judge issues neither no
bond or a soft penalty if convicted beyond a reasonable doubt,
whether they a judge or for a jury trial. The
soft on crime is a problem, and the criminal justice system,

(10:50):
from my perspective, is to act as parents. The parents
who issue corporal punishment, the parents who smacked the child
or otherwise hold the out accountable for the crimes that
they commit. But quite often the folks who commit crimes
come from broken homes, you know, parents without ethics or morals,
parents who may be criminals or drug abusers themselves. Kids

(11:11):
are out of the street in the middle of the night.
The parents don't care, don't bother to even inquire where
they are. That's part of the problem, and the criminal
justice system has to be there to issue the correction,
and without that, they're going to be back in front
of you in court. I mean, isn't that the point
of criminal justice and the problem has been exacerbated over
the years of being lax on law enforcement and punishment.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, that's funny that you compare it to parents disciplining kids,
because I always explain to my kids that being on
house arrest, it's like you're grounded. Yeh, it's like you
did something bad, you're grounded. So that might be appropriate
if kids do something bad at home, but if you're
out there in the community it's hurting people, maybe you

(11:58):
should go to jail sometimes. So I just don't think
it's always appropriate these or bonds, these e MD. One
of the big problems with these e m D which
means own recognissance, which I call a pinky promise to
come back to court, and then electric monitoring, which is
the box on their ankle that they're not going to

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get the box they have to walk down the street
to get it. A lot of them aren't doing that,
and then some of them who do get on the
box just cut it off and then they aren't monitored.
So I think the judges are saying, well, it might
be o R, but we have the box and that
will keep everybody safe. But if they're not getting it,
or if they're cutting it off, then it's the same
as nothing. And the Democrats rationalize this, they say, well,

(12:46):
most people, the research shows that most people show up
with an O R bond. Well that's true, but we're
talking about like very low level crimes a lot of time,
and people show up because if they don't, then they
get a warrant out for them with a bond and
then they got locked up. But the theory now is

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that if someone doesn't show up, you just keep getting
them an arm bond over and over.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It doesn't work that way clearly. And you know, the
fundamental problem with the ankle monitors was revealed with the
tragic death of Patrick Herringer and over the Rhine. Sarah
Herringer has been in my program talking about that he
cut his ankle monitor off in February, the murderer, after
being let out of jail from prior crimes. He cut
it off in February, and local law enforcement apparently had

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no idea. And a correlator to that seems to be
you send them down the street on their own, the
defendant to get the ankle monitor. They don't do it.
There's no follow up I mean the ankle monitor issuing
people aren't made aware that someone's supposed to show up
that day to get an ankle monitor, and if they don't,
that isn't issue. Then an alert isn't issued to some

(13:51):
law enforcement agency that this guy didn't show up to
even get the thing in the first place.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Not that I know of. I mean, I've heard people say, oh,
I can't go today, I have work, I'll go tomorrow.
But I mean, there's no sense of urgency to get
there now. And it's interesting you brought up Sarah Heringer.
I saw that she posted recently that she did an analysis.
Somebody requested from the city on a crime report, and

(14:17):
the city made a PowerPoint dated after the request, so
they prepared this specifically for the request, saying that in
twenty twenty four crime went down. Our biggest problem is robberies.
And Sarah did this whole post about what about domestic violence, homicide, rape,

(14:37):
aggravated assault, all of these other crimes that were not
even considered. Why are we focusing on youth robberies. It's
really interesting because after all these shootings recently downtown, the
city said the solution is a youth only curfew. And
then of course they did this goofy unenforceable curfew where

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they were just getting kids back to their houses. They
weren't arresting anyone or citing any parents. But why are
all the talking pigns about youth crime? I mean, that's
not Why is that the focus? Is there something coming
along the lines? Are they trying to hide the fact

(15:19):
that adult crime is through the roof. I don't know.
I guess I'll wait to see what the next talking
point is from the liberal politicians. But somehow they're going
to blame all of this on youth. I don't know.
Maybe they're not asking juvenile judges to lock people up more,
which is what I think would be the obvious thing

(15:40):
to do if you think youth crime is out of control,
or give them higher bonds. I don't know what the
end goal here is. Maybe it's to fund some agency
that's then going to help youth not commit crimes.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, it's interesting to bring up the curfew, which I
thought was probably a good idea, considering we had massive
gangs of roving youths roven around like Government Square in
the middle of the night. But Corey Bowman, who lives
in the West End. Made the point. He said, wait
a second, why didn't they extend the curfew to include, like,
for example, the West End. Apparently it's limited in geographic scope,
so all the teenagers need to do is not hang

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out in the divine scope and just move into maybe
the West End and commit crimes there and gather there.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Right, Well, they didn't want to enforce it in neighborhoods
where parents would be more vocal and angrier about it, right,
But they also they couldn't. But they couldn't enforce it
only downtown because that wouldn't be fair. If kids downtown
are getting arrested and parents downtown are getting cited, but
parents in wealthier neighborhoods, possibly their kids aren't getting charged

(16:46):
or the parents aren't getting that would not be fair.
So that's why the city kind of created this bogus
system where there's a curfew, but they can't enforce it
because then they might be called either racist. How is
that race lower income people?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Does the curfew mentioned the color of one's skin? Betsy, No,
the answer is no. How could it be perceived to
be racist if on its face it's race neutral. If
you're a white kid hanging out after curfew, you're gonna
get arrested. If you're a black kid hanging out a curfew,
you're going to get arrested. This does not have a
racial component to it, Betsy. So I call those arguments spurious.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Right, But if you only enforce the curfew in in
a neighborhood that has more black youth than white youth,
then maybe that's really not fair.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, maybe they should enforce it in all areas. I mean,
that's my point. Half a city wide curfew, and I
guess I have to respond to the parents who would
object to that. You want your kids to be out
at three o'clock in the morning, you're going to object
to them enforcing the curfew law. Why don't you care
that your child is out in the middle of the
night on a school night or something. I mean, that

(17:54):
doesn't make any sense. Maybe that's part of the problem
right there, Betsy.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Right, there was a youth curfew, remember when I was
in high school, and I thought it was annoying because
my friends and I wanted to go to movies and
things and we you know, we didn't want to get
in trouble. And you know, when you have a whole
family that follows rules, then you don't want to you
don't want to violate that. But the curfew at Cincinnati
took so many exceptions to it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
So first Amendment right, If.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You're exercising your First Amendment rights, what does that mean?
That could be freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom
of the press. You could just say, oh, I'm with
a newspaper, that's why I'm out, or.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Just say I'm exercising my right of freedom of assembly
me and my fifteen others.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Fourteen year old kids are exercising a right is a
freedom of speech and free assembly, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
It's just so the city can say, look, we're doing something.
I think what they need to do is say we
need to arrest more violet youths. We need the site
parents who let their kids out this late if there's
a curfew. We need to encourage the juvenile court to
give higher bonds to violent youth defenders. And then we

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need to encourage the juvenile court to actually lock people
up who are convicted of violent crimes. But why not
do those obvious talking points exactly?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And the key is getting good judges on the band's
ones that will enforce the law. You can have the
best law enforcement out there in the world, the best
prosecutor in the world, both of whom want to enforce
the law. You get in front of a liberal judge,
it's it's own recognizance bond and it's a slap on
the wrist after a conviction. That's why you want to
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Betsy's sonnam Go. I to wish you all the best
in your election this November. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
If I could vote in the city, you know you'd
have my vote, and so I'm going to encourage my
listeners to consider voting for you.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Truly my pleasure. Betsy. Keep up the great work. It's
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