Brian talked with Congressman Massie this morning

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hear about it.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Understand the ignorant chick on the campuses talk about it.
They're just getting away with all this rather than knowing fact.
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DE talk station Happy Thursday Extra Special. Happy Thursday didn't
get him yesterday in advanced to Judge Jennitapolitano, but we

(00:22):
get him today. Congressman Massey, welcome back to the fifty
five KRC Morning Show. It's always a pleasure to have
you on my program.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Great to be back on Brian.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
How you feeling post election, Congressman.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, it's so great up here. The Liberals are just deflated.
Yesterday I walked out of our conference where we're voting
for Speaker and Majority Leader and whip and everything down
to executive Vice Deputy prom queen.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I call it. It's like prom court for the GOP.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Anyways, I walked out of that meeting and I was
the only Republican who wasn't in the meeting. So I
got swarmed by the media and I'm trying to go
up the escalator and escape them, and they keep pelting
me with what about Matt Gates?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
What about that? Can he be confirmed?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
And I I just kind of turned around and smiled
and I said, hey, you can do recess appointments.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
And they were like, but what, And I looked at him,
I said, suck it up. He's your ag.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
And they caught it on video. So now I'm in
a little bit of trouble telling reporters to suck it up.
But if you could have seen the looks on their
faces when I said recess appointments, and they went from
shock to terror when I said suck it up.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
So you're okay with with Gates? And iad some listeners
bad ideas. Some listeners say it's a great idea. You
can't please all the people all the time, that's one thing,
I know. And you don't throw out the good for
the sake of trying to find the perfect because that
person doesn't exist. But overall you're comfortable with it.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh well, listen, I've got disagreements with Matt Gates. He
should have never pulled the trigger on Kevin McCarthy because
he ended up with Mike Johnson, who was not doing
the job that Kevin did. And so you know, but
Matt and I we talk, we're friends. We've had that discussion,
but we also serve together on the Judiciary Committee, and

(02:10):
we get Merrick Garland, who comes in there, and may
Orcus comes in there, and the ATF director comes in there,
FBI Director Christopher Ray, and they all give us these Well, sir,
that's the subject of an ongoing investigation, and it's our
long standing policy. Not the comment. But Matt just he's
been tearing them up for years. He and I have

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been passing the ball back and forth.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
If I get.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Five minutes and I only need three of it, I
give two to Matt. And I told Matt I can't
wait till he comes to Judiciary as the age and
I get to pelt him with questions.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Ah, well, I'm glad you know you Obviously you sound uplifted, bubbly.
Obviously you're enjoying the schadenfreud of the Democrats are allowing you,
So I am as well. I'll have to admit.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
The other day I saw was posted somewhere on the Internet,
some place out there, Secretary of Agriculture Thomas Massey, and
I echoed that on my Facebook page, and some people said, no, no, no, no no.
If he was Secretary of Agriculture, then we'd lose him.
In Congress. We can't afford to lose anybody, so not
as sure how a replacement will be put in for

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you if that were to happen. But I thought to
myself this morning, even said it on the program. Well,
Thomas Massey's the kind of guy that if he was
Secretary of Agriculture, he would do everything in his power
to whittle away the Agriculture Department of virtually nothing and
maybe even eliminated so he would be out a job.
He's the kind of person that would do that. What's
your reaction to the concept of being agricultural secretary and

(03:43):
what would you do if you were in that role,
either really or under a hypothetical scenario.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, first of all, my approach would not be to
do what you just said. I think there's some important
things that the USDA does, and you know, we've got
big ag and then we've got small farmers. We've got
the corporate you know, industrial meat complex where you've got
four meat processors touching eighty five percent of the meat
in the United States, and then you get the small

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farmers trying to sell directly to consumers. My approach would
not be to do anything that would hurt our agriculture industry,
and I think there are things that we could do
to strengthen our agriculture industry, and that includes big companies,
but we need to create a parallel path for small
farmers and for consumers because these these are part of

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the coalition that helped Trump get elected, particularly in Pennsylvania
where you know you had Amos Miller being prosecuted for
trying to sell raw milk and meat to directly. Well,
the problem is we don't have that alternate path right
now in the agriculture sector. And you know, the usda

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IS has been captive to the big corporations, and somebody
needs be there to create this parallel path for healthy
food that's not you know, grown the way everything else
has grown.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
We need a way to get food that's.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Not you know, ultra ultra processed, and that would be
my approach to it. Create this off ramp, this parallel
path for those folks and make sure that we are
still the strongest agricultural producer in the world. We have,
for instance, four times the arable land that China has.

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Our land mass is about the same North America, but
we've got four times the arable land that they have.
And one quarter of the population they have. So our
race of arable land to people is sixteen times greater
than China and we need to take advantage.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Of that resource.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Another thing, Brian, you know people are upset that are,
and rightfully so, that our farm land is being sold
to China, or that our farm land's getting covered with
solar panels. By the way, I love solar panels, nothing
against them, but it's stupid to cover up your farmland
with solar panels. And the question is not how do
you get the toothpaste back in the tube. Like there's

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some people say, well, we should pass laws to prevent
China or corporations from buying up all this farm land.
We should pass laws to keep the solar panels out
of the fields. The reality is that's trying to put
the toothpaste back in the tube. What we need is
an economic model for farmers who own this land that's
better than selling their land to China or for solar panels.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
They need to be profitable.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Again, that's because having China buy our land or having
solar panels go in it, that's a symptom of a problem.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's not the problem. The problem is there's not.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
A profitable model for small farming in the United States anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's too hard to achieve.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, it's also a symptom of one of the reasons
farming has gotten more expensive, like global warming or temperature
change or whatever, which reduces the amount of available fertilizer
because they won't allow us to tap into our petrochemical
the oil and the natural or gas and things that
are necessary to make fertilizer. That's the reason they would
make a field of solar panels. I mean, I am

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just beyond myself with relation to this religion, this pseudo religion,
that is, we are exhaling our way to devastation. I
don't buy it, and I view it as a mechanism
to simply liberate money from the very wealthy countries of
the world and offload that via the claims of climate

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alarmism to third world countries who haven't really, you know,
passed the test of economic mustard.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
This is a scientific fact. People can argue about this,
but they're just ignorant. If they do, you get more
cropial per acre as the concentration of CO two, which
is a very small trace gas.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
In the atmosphere, goes up.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Plant food.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It is plant food, it is plant fertilized. When everybody
knows that plants take CO two and they make oxygen
or transform it into oxygen, the question, and there's water
involved there too. The question is what happened to the carbon? Right,
you've got a carbon dioxide molecule. It doesn't just turn

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into an oxygen molecule. The carbon goes somewhere. Where does
it go through? Yeah, it's it's the glucose that becomes
other forms of sugar and carbohydrates. They're called carbohydrates for
a reason. Right, there's water and carbon involved, and people
forget that all of the carbon that you end up
eating it came originated not in the ground, but from

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the air.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's I remember learning that when I was in I
was like K through twelve.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or the eighth grade.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I think is the last time they show you that
chemical equation where water plus CO two becomes oxygen and glucose,
and everybody just remembers that on one side is carbon
dioxide and on the other is oxygen. They forget that
there's water on the left side of that equation and
glucose on the right side of the equation, and sunlight
is what helps put the energy in to transform that.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, of course, that's why we have you here on
the Morning show to help back up my point. Would
I make almost every day anymore on that subject matter
Congress from Massey and hopefully this administration will open itself
up to some more greater scientific reality.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well, so, by the way, I haven't been chosen. There's
a rumor on the internet that I've been chosen. I've
not been chosen. There are people advocating on the inside
for me to have that position, But I have not
been chosen by any stretch of the imagination. But you
would consider it, oh, I would absolutely consider it.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Embrace it. It sounds like there's so much.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
That's going on at the USDA for which there is
no congressional mandate. There's no congressional authorization. And this if
you go into any branch of the administration you will
see this. They're promulgating rules and as you said, some
of them are make it most stuff that make it
harder for small farms to exist. But they're promulgating these

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rules whereas Congress never told.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Them to do that. For instance, electronic ID for cattle.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Congress never passed the law asking the USDA to require
that all cattle and bison in the United States get
an electronic tag in their ear.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yet the USDA is promulgating that.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm sorry, I'm just laughing at the idiot who came
up with that idea and what the purpose of it is.
Let's pause. We'll bring you back in comment further on that.
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Speaker 2 (11:44):
Before we leave the topic of agriculture, and yes, you
would take the role as agriculture secretary if it's offered
to you. So let's get him in that role. One
thing I want to know, and again it springs from
this climate religion. Can we stop burning and are gasoline tanks? Congressomassy.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
It definitely raises the price of food in the supermarket,
but the farmers like it because it also raises the
price of cornet. They get I'm sure there's something we
could do that would make more sense.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You're like not doing that well.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
And you know, here's what I would like to do.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Like to talk to Elon and vivek Over at their
department of government efficiency that's been set up by the
way I've been I've been talking to Viveik. In fact,
the other day I said, I tweeted this. Look, Congress
takes over on January third, and you'll have a new
majority in the Senate on January third, for instance. But

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the president's not sworn in until January twentieth. We've got
seventeen days. We should put at least a dozen bills
on Trump's desk that are ready to sign when he
sits down. Oh yeah, I know, he's got a list
of things to do by executive order and executive orders
to resind. But to make this stuff stick, you need legislation. Yes,
so and so, Viveik asked me, well, what's some of

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those bills, And I said, well, the first one I
would put on his desk is one that's passed the
House multiple times. It's been debated, it's been amended, it's
been perfected, the Rains Act.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
If anything's got more than one hundred million dollars of
economic impact, and it's a rule that's being promulgated by
an administrative branch, say, for instance, the USDA, then it
needs to come back to Congress for a vote.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
That's just common sense.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And we've already amended and debated and written that bill.
That thing is now we'd have to pass it again
between January third and January twentieth and send it to
the Senate and they would have to pass it. But
why couldn't we get that passed and get it on
President Trump's desk and then we're ready to go on
day one and make it law. It's something that would

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then be in law, and it would be forever until,
for instance, the Democrats got control of the both chambers
and the Presidency in order to reverse it.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
If they could try, if.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
They could try, if they dare to do that politically
it maybe they're undoing. Now back to the Department of
Government Efficiency, which I love the idea. How you could
put elon Musk and Viva Grammar swimming in a room
and just stick the word doge on the wall and
that would be a department. They don't have to be funded.
Judseh Polyotonic got a little bent out of shape yesterday
over the idea of having a new department that isn't

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authorized by the Constitution. I said, well, you don't need
to make an apartment. You just have two guys with
a pair of scissors just starting to cut the fat
out of it. But it's an unlimited amount of fact
they can cut out. Do you think it will be effective?
Do you think they can actually get something accomplished by
what way of pairing down the size and scope of government?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, but eventually that has to be enacted either through
an Act of Congress or through an executive act, because
the Office of Government Efficiency won't be an official office,
per you, like these other offices, and so somebody will
have to implement it.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
So it's going to be a list of recommendations. By
the way, back on the.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Ethanol thing, there's a certain amount of ethanol that makes
sense because you can change the octane rating of gasoline.
But the problem with where we are right now in
ethanol policy is when you push it to be over
a certain amount, it becomes economically inefficient.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So that's something to.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Look at, but it's unnecessary. If you ignore this religion,
then it wouldn't have happened in the first place. My
problem is the genesis of the idea of burning food
in the gas tank comes from the whole concept of
global warming or something you know.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
What I found interesting is when gasoline got high, it
is Biden's policy to allow more ethanol to be put
in the gasoline in California where it causes a smog problem. Yeah,
and he said, well, you know what, We'll let you
have a little bit of smog from the increased ethanol
if it will lower gasoline prices in California. So it's

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funny that cling to these things until it becomes apparent
to the public what's.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Causing the increase in price, and then they go the
other direction. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I guess everyone's running around in advance of the elections
screaming about this project twenty twenty five as if it
was something that was part of the Republican Party strategy. No,
it was recommendations from an entity and a group of
people outside of government. They got the whole thing together.
It's a think tank paper. Here's every wish list we've
got going back to the Department of Government Efficiency. I
don't know why would have to be funded or anything

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other than a couple of guys going through the books
and writing down all the stuff that is fraud, waste
and abuse and handing it over to you. Congressman Massey
to just put it into legislation and start cutting I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Got to tell you, Congress came up with this thing
inside of the Patent Office that invalidates patents. Now here's
the funny thing. The Patent Office, in the same branch
of government. They issue patents, and then they have this
kangaroo court that invalidates patents after they've issued them, so
that they're literally creating patents and destroying them in the
same agency.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's a self licking ice cream cone.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And the and the part of the Patent Office that
destroys the patents, it's a it's a court room, but
we already have courts to.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Settle these matters.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
So they created another judicial branch inside of the patent
office to kill patents. It's a It's one example of
how government is basically, you know, making windows and then
breaking the windows, and we need to find things like
that and and eliminate them.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Couldn't agree more. There's one right there. Just put it
in a piece of legislation and eliminate it. It's done.
It doesn't require a new department to do that. It
requires someone with a pen and ability to creatively write legislation.
Pursuing to the rules of legislative drafting. See law school
for that.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, we've got a lot of We've got a lot
of good stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
By the way, Briant, this pent up that we've passed
the House, or it's passed our Judiciary committee, like giving
a right of action for people to sue government agents
that in front on their first Amendment. Like, that's another
bill we should send right over to the Sinne.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh, that would be great, no more standing arguments, you
would have standing wonderful. Oh, I'm getting excited about the
future here. Congressman Mascy, You're always welcome on the morning
show to push these ideas forward, and you always get
my listening audience to back you up on them. Appreciate
what you're doing. Enjoy the sunshine and the shot and
Freuda while it lasts, and get ready to hit the

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ground running because we need a lot getting done between
now and the end of January.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
All right, brother, good talking to you.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Always a plague.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Get it done.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
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