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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's seven six here at fifty five krc DE talk station.
I'm very happy Friday you head into the Christmas week
next week, and welcome back to the fifty five Cassee
Morning Show. Love you coming on the program, and I
know my listeners love hearing from your Congressman Warren Davidson.
Welcome back, my friend. Always a pleasure, and Merry Christmas
to you and your family, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Merry Christmas, Brian. It's always an honor, Thank.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You, Thank you, and let's dive on into it real quick.
Here I saw the Senate. I don't know if they
actually passed it, but they were pushing towards a mini
bus deal to fund the most of the government, about
eighty to ninety percent of the government combining in this
mini bus like an omnibus, but not completely on steroids
like most of them. Department's offense, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce, Justice, Interior, Transportation,
(00:59):
and Housing and urban Development. So rather than multiple appropriation
bills approved individually, this lumps them all into one, so
there only remains a couple of departments that they have
to address. Sounds like it will keep the government running.
In other words, there's no threat of government shut down
if this goes through, although there will be a couple
of bills left. Is that something that sounds appealing to you?
(01:20):
Are you familiar with what's going on in the Senate
and are you think you'd be on with this if
it gets handed over to the House for approval.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, they're bundling five bills together, and inherently that just
means that they're burying something that Democrats want in labor,
health and Human Services for example, to get things that
Republicans want in defense for example. So that's the transportation
and HUD. You know, why do those things go together.
There's no magic formula, It's just these are the deals
(01:50):
that are able to get cut often. And from what
I understand, they were close to a deal in the Senate,
and that's where it's a little vexing because they got
to have six and apparently the Democrats withhold their support
for the final package, so the Senate left town without
passing it, which is, you know, the House hasn't passed
some of these things because you know, we don't have
(02:11):
the votes in the Senate. So they're really going to
be the driver for what the deal that can get cut.
Republicans would probably want something more aggressive than could pass
the Senate, but lately I don't know. I mean, we
got Republicans. The Speaker kept us out of session when
the Democrats shut the government down last time to prevent
the surrender caucus from running over and cutting deals with Democrats.
(02:32):
And nevertheless, here at the end of the session, we
had four Republicans try to run over and form a
new surrender caucus. And you know, I found no Republicans
that said let's save Obamacare, but apparently four of them
wanted to save Obamacare here at the end. Thankfully it
didn't work well.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Perfect pivot over to the healthcare debate that continues to
go on. The surrender coocause, of course, of those folks
who are willing to extend these unbelievably expensive subsidies the
actual cost of Obamacare, which is lustrative of the fact that, well,
it's an epic failure. Congressman David, I think you can
probably agree on that one. But where are we in
so far as something to advance. I know, House Republicans
(03:12):
passed a bill the other day which I know the
CBO said, with lower Americans health care costs by about
eleven percent, but it didn't extend any subsidies, so I
expect that the Democrats are all against that, which leaves
us kind of where Congressman.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I mean that's a good summary. Wednesday, the House
passed the healthcare bill. I mean we've I looked it up.
I mean, you've had over two hundred hearings since twenty seventeen.
But the jurisdiction split up amongst multiple committees, so there's
not like a single unified Republican plan. There are dozens
of plans.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So what the.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Speaker cobbled together over the last couple of weeks was
a collection of things that have overwhelming support by Republicans
and Democrats normally would support some of these things, but
you know, they're trying to steer towards SING and they're
focused all on the more free stuff for more people
approach of it doesn't lower the cost. It's a shifts
(04:07):
who's paying, and in fact it raises it. It causes more inflation.
And look, you think about Owomacare, this isn't even subsidies.
The covid era subsidies aren't even subsidies for traditional Obamacare.
They're like bonus subsidies. Generally aimed at the higher end
of the income bracket. You know, so it isn't working.
(04:29):
So if you look at it, well, since twenty twenty one,
these things have been getting paid out as your insurance
been massively better than ever before. It hasn't. You've been
getting double digit increases. You still got the same big
out of pocket maxes. You still have sometimes claim denied
or sometimes oh what are you talking about it? Out
of network. I was in the same building all day,
(04:49):
and you get all those same things that people are
frustrated about. And Democrats are counting on this sleight of
hand to try to blame Republicans for everything that you
don't like about your health care. And the reality is
the Babign Plan was, well, let's talk about the broader market,
not just the government subsidy side of it, and deal
with some things that will make health care more affordable.
It's not everything we need to do on healthcare. I'm
(05:10):
sure we're going to keep talking about it all year,
but it's a start, and frankly, it puts Republicans ahead
of where we were in twenty seventeen when we couldn't
get consensus.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Well, I guess one thing that really just irks me
to know and want to pull my hair out every
time I read it. When the supplements or the subsidies
are talked about and rejected by Republicans, they democrats scream,
you're not doing anything to lower the cost of health care.
Well masking it is. All those subsidies do, is you
(05:40):
point it out. It increases the cost of health care.
There's no incentive to reduce the cost. We need a
more market flexible approach to this, something that'll create competition.
But aside from that as a concept, why not don't
we all agree that PBMs are no longer a necessary expenditure,
that they are driving the cost of pharmaceuticals up, that
they benefit no one but the hospitals and the PBM managers.
(06:02):
Why why don't we just all collectively agree we're gonna
do one thing where you we're gonna all join and
unite to reject the use of pharmacy benefit managers and
then we can all move forward with other elements of
healthcare and deal with those later.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, we can't get that across the finish line, which
is maddening it is. And so last year this time
this time last year, we had a bill there was
a major reform of the pharmacy benefit management program. It
got rid of stupid things like gag orders, where the
pharmacists isn't supposed to tell you, hey, if you just
do it this way, it costs you like ten bucks
instead of you know, one hundred bucks, or you know,
(06:38):
all those kinds of things that are just you know,
offensive that they're even in practice. So we did on
the bill Wednesday deal with pricing for pharmaceuticals, but we
didn't do the broader pharmacy benefit management plan. So and look,
Buddy Carter is an actual pharmacy is from Georgia. He's
(07:02):
a member of the House right now, and he's tried
to do this forever. He's like, this is how these
PBMs are wrecking the pharmacy practice, and in particular they're
wrecking independent pharmacists. So you can deal with the major
mail order outlets in a different way, but they're really
trying to consolidate the industry, which you know, let's the
(07:23):
pharmacy benefit managers control a handful of big guys versus
having to deal with a ton of independent pharmacists around
the country. It's bad for everybody, and I think broadly
people agree but that's the kind of frustrating thing that
goes on in DC. You're like, well, we're trying to
make the speaker put it on the floor, but he's like, well,
we got these other members ten or fifteen that won't
(07:44):
vote for it, so it's going to fail.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, well, okay here in the minute, we got here
in the segment, Congressman Davidson. Since everyone sees these, well,
the vast majority except for a handful, I just want
to know what the handful of folks who want to
protect the PBMs have. What is their stake in the game.
What is their argument that they're valuable and not just
a cost enhancing thing.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, this is exactly what my point is, Brian. You
got to put it on the floor so then the
people know, hey, here's the people that agree with the
pharmacy benefit managers. Ask them why they think this is
a good idea. It's indefensible generally, And then that's the
biggest frustration. Overall. There's so much work that goes into
making sure we don't vote, and it's like, no, you
(08:29):
did all this work to get elected. You get a
voting card vote, and look, I get it. Sometimes you
get these tough votes where it's like, look, you don't
get to write an essay. It's yes or no, so
so it's frustrating. Sometimes you're like, well there's a little
nuance here, Well, then explain it and price. When you're
defending something like pharmacy benefit managers, people are going to
pay attention because they're like, yeah, please explain.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
How about this as a concept stand alone bill? Get
rid of pharmacy benevot managers is the bottom line of
what the bill says, doesn't include any other provisions or
anything else related to any other moment of aspect of healthcare.
Queue the bill up and then discharge position and force
everybody to come out and say out loud while they're
for or just go ahead and get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Possible, Well, the discharge position might be a lane to try.
I don't know that effort's been tried. But that's the
single subject bills. This is the thing. Everyone talks about
it and just like the appropriations, you can't get a
single subject bill on appropriations because they got to do
the cobbling of the deal making together. It's the way
the sausage is made right and that you know, you
(09:31):
could respect it if it was working right, but it isn't,
and I think a lot of people want the transparency.
So maybe the discharge on the pharmacy that benefit managers
is the path that seems to be the only way
to get certain things to the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, you can feel free to advance that idea and
you can take credit for it to Congressman Davidson. Respect
tell a speaker to give you a call. There you go.
I'd love to talk with that guy. I wonder what's
going through his head. Answer a lot of questions for me. Anyway, more, Davidson,
we'll talk Epstein files. Today's the day. I guess plus
inflation came in lower than expected by a little bit,
which is obviously a positive thing. Let's continue in a
(10:08):
moment after I mentioned calling electric power up your holiday
sale that's going on to the end of the month,
and I twenty one to five KARSI Talk Station Friday
with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving over. I guess today's the day.
According to the Epstein Act you had the files have
to be released in searchable form. A lot of people
saying that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons,
(10:30):
where where are we on that one, Congressman Davidson, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mean that's the law. It passed, I mean overwhelmingly, and
now the administration's got to comply with it. So you know,
we'll see see what they publish. You know, we'll see
whether it's a clean thing. But yeah, here's my frustration,
and this is why I thought, like, well, the this
charge petition is interesting, but the real issue is when
is somebody going to jail and they're not going to
(10:55):
jail until Pam Bondi brings some charges or US attorneys
around the country bring charges, and it's like, where's the investigations?
We know these girls didn't traffic themselves because Jelane Maxwell's
in jail for trafficking. She trafficked them to somebody, So
where are the prosecutions? And I think that's where people
are rightly livid. Yeah, you know, even some of President
(11:16):
Trump's biggest fans, you know, and you know Trump didn't
take it well. I mean he kind of unloaded on
Thomas Masky and Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't know, it's largely over there.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Their pressure on Epstein and it's like, look, we love you,
but what's going on? Here.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I share the same concern and disbelief. I mean, he
did campaign on releasing the Epstein files. Democrats wouldn't release
them when Joe Biden was in office, and then they
turned into the biggest supporters of releasing them as soon
as Donald Trump selected And after saying he wants some released,
he then does a one eighty and then he says, no,
we don't need to release them. There's no there there.
I mean, that's the most confusing element of the presidency
(11:55):
thus far as far as I'm concerned. Congressom Massey, I
just don't get it. It's never been adequately explained to me.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, And I mean I think that's part of where
the disclosure will, okay, help us understand. I mean, so,
you know, Dan Bongino's leaving. I don't know if this
is the only reason, but you know, he was very
intent on this before he went to the FBI. He
becomes the number two at the FBI. You think this
is certainly one of the things that's going to change.
(12:22):
And you know, this is the thing I'm just thinking about.
You know, Frederick Douglass, you know, iconic Republican former slave
earned his freedom. A lot of really good thinking in
some of his writings, But one of the points is
power con sees nothing without a demand. Here, you know,
Massey led the discharged position, made the demand, and the
concession has been made. We'll see whether it's made public today.
(12:44):
But the real question is what are the layers behind
this that are still holding it back? Yeah, how are
we going to get the FBI, for example, to be
held accountable for anything? So look, I'm hoping twenty twenty
six in the new year, is the year of accountability.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, that would be nice, I mean, most notably considering
all the details now that have come out about these
the warrant that was issued on Donald Trump and the
storming of his residence in mar A Lago with guns
blazing or guns out and sirens and FBI officers coordinated
effort with CNN to be there on the scene. Apparently
they didn't even have probable cause to issue the warrant
(13:21):
in the first place. Congressman, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Keep scanning these abuses of the FBI, and look, we
have certain tools in place you want to be able
to stop terrorists and bad guys, but everything that we
use to design against enemies of our country, these guys
were weaponizing against Donald Trump. And so again, Pam BONDI,
when is somebody going to jail? People are really livid
about this, and I don't I don't think it is
(13:47):
resonating enough, but you would think of all people, Dan
Bongino totally gets it. You know, a lot of this
reason is podcast surged. Was this exact kind of issue
where we're here's the accountability and he gets in a
position to do it, and you're like, well, who do
we need to send to reform the FBI, And maybe
(14:07):
the answer is it can't be reformed. We're just gonna
you know, the government brought the FBI into the world,
the government should be able to take it out. The
result need to be done. We need law enforcement, but
they're not working. They're not responding, they're not steering. And
it's the same kind of thing usaid we tried to
steer it, they wouldn't steer. We just get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Congressman Warren Davidson, it is a pleasure to have you on.
I appreciate your willingness to come up on the show,
up on the morning show and talk to my listeners
and me on a regular basis. I'll look forward to
County your twenty twenty six and continuing this and I'll
behalf again of my listeners, Joe Stracker myself, to you
and your entire family, we wish you the merriest of
Christmas is, happy holidays, safe travels if you're moving about,
(14:50):
and look forward to hitting the ground running next year.
Sir Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Likewise, God bless you and all your listeners.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Brian, Merry Christmas, Thank you. Congressman Davidson. Seven twenty six
Alex Treantapil ahead of that aut
It's seven six here at fifty five krc DE talk station.
I'm very happy Friday you head into the Christmas week
next week, and welcome back to the fifty five Cassee
Morning Show. Love you coming on the program, and I
know my listeners love hearing from your Congressman Warren Davidson.
Welcome back, my friend. Always a pleasure, and Merry Christmas
to you and your family, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Merry Christmas, Brian. It's always an honor, Thank.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You, Thank you, and let's dive on into it real quick.
Here I saw the Senate. I don't know if they
actually passed it, but they were pushing towards a mini
bus deal to fund the most of the government, about
eighty to ninety percent of the government combining in this
mini bus like an omnibus, but not completely on steroids
like most of them. Department's offense, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce, Justice, Interior, Transportation,
(00:59):
and Housing and urban Development. So rather than multiple appropriation
bills approved individually, this lumps them all into one, so
there only remains a couple of departments that they have
to address. Sounds like it will keep the government running.
In other words, there's no threat of government shut down
if this goes through, although there will be a couple
of bills left. Is that something that sounds appealing to you?
(01:20):
Are you familiar with what's going on in the Senate
and are you think you'd be on with this if
it gets handed over to the House for approval.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, they're bundling five bills together, and inherently that just
means that they're burying something that Democrats want in labor,
health and Human Services for example, to get things that
Republicans want in defense for example. So that's the transportation
and HUD. You know, why do those things go together.
There's no magic formula, It's just these are the deals
(01:50):
that are able to get cut often. And from what
I understand, they were close to a deal in the Senate,
and that's where it's a little vexing because they got
to have six and apparently the Democrats withhold their support
for the final package, so the Senate left town without
passing it, which is, you know, the House hasn't passed
some of these things because you know, we don't have
(02:11):
the votes in the Senate. So they're really going to
be the driver for what the deal that can get cut.
Republicans would probably want something more aggressive than could pass
the Senate, but lately I don't know. I mean, we
got Republicans. The Speaker kept us out of session when
the Democrats shut the government down last time to prevent
the surrender caucus from running over and cutting deals with Democrats.
(02:32):
And nevertheless, here at the end of the session, we
had four Republicans try to run over and form a
new surrender caucus. And you know, I found no Republicans
that said let's save Obamacare, but apparently four of them
wanted to save Obamacare here at the end. Thankfully it
didn't work well.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Perfect pivot over to the healthcare debate that continues to
go on. The surrender coocause, of course, of those folks
who are willing to extend these unbelievably expensive subsidies the
actual cost of Obamacare, which is lustrative of the fact that, well,
it's an epic failure. Congressman David, I think you can
probably agree on that one. But where are we in
so far as something to advance. I know, House Republicans
(03:12):
passed a bill the other day which I know the
CBO said, with lower Americans health care costs by about
eleven percent, but it didn't extend any subsidies, so I
expect that the Democrats are all against that, which leaves
us kind of where Congressman.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I mean that's a good summary. Wednesday, the House
passed the healthcare bill. I mean we've I looked it up.
I mean, you've had over two hundred hearings since twenty seventeen.
But the jurisdiction split up amongst multiple committees, so there's
not like a single unified Republican plan. There are dozens
of plans.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So what the.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Speaker cobbled together over the last couple of weeks was
a collection of things that have overwhelming support by Republicans
and Democrats normally would support some of these things, but
you know, they're trying to steer towards SING and they're
focused all on the more free stuff for more people
approach of it doesn't lower the cost. It's a shifts
(04:07):
who's paying, and in fact it raises it. It causes more inflation.
And look, you think about Owomacare, this isn't even subsidies.
The covid era subsidies aren't even subsidies for traditional Obamacare.
They're like bonus subsidies. Generally aimed at the higher end
of the income bracket. You know, so it isn't working.
(04:29):
So if you look at it, well, since twenty twenty one,
these things have been getting paid out as your insurance
been massively better than ever before. It hasn't. You've been
getting double digit increases. You still got the same big
out of pocket maxes. You still have sometimes claim denied
or sometimes oh what are you talking about it? Out
of network. I was in the same building all day,
(04:49):
and you get all those same things that people are
frustrated about. And Democrats are counting on this sleight of
hand to try to blame Republicans for everything that you
don't like about your health care. And the reality is
the Babign Plan was, well, let's talk about the broader market,
not just the government subsidy side of it, and deal
with some things that will make health care more affordable.
It's not everything we need to do on healthcare. I'm
(05:10):
sure we're going to keep talking about it all year,
but it's a start, and frankly, it puts Republicans ahead
of where we were in twenty seventeen when we couldn't
get consensus.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Well, I guess one thing that really just irks me
to know and want to pull my hair out every
time I read it. When the supplements or the subsidies
are talked about and rejected by Republicans, they democrats scream,
you're not doing anything to lower the cost of health care.
Well masking it is. All those subsidies do, is you
(05:40):
point it out. It increases the cost of health care.
There's no incentive to reduce the cost. We need a
more market flexible approach to this, something that'll create competition.
But aside from that as a concept, why not don't
we all agree that PBMs are no longer a necessary expenditure,
that they are driving the cost of pharmaceuticals up, that
they benefit no one but the hospitals and the PBM managers.
(06:02):
Why why don't we just all collectively agree we're gonna
do one thing where you we're gonna all join and
unite to reject the use of pharmacy benefit managers and
then we can all move forward with other elements of
healthcare and deal with those later.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, we can't get that across the finish line, which
is maddening it is. And so last year this time
this time last year, we had a bill there was
a major reform of the pharmacy benefit management program. It
got rid of stupid things like gag orders, where the
pharmacists isn't supposed to tell you, hey, if you just
do it this way, it costs you like ten bucks
instead of you know, one hundred bucks, or you know,
(06:38):
all those kinds of things that are just you know,
offensive that they're even in practice. So we did on
the bill Wednesday deal with pricing for pharmaceuticals, but we
didn't do the broader pharmacy benefit management plan. So and look,
Buddy Carter is an actual pharmacy is from Georgia. He's
(07:02):
a member of the House right now, and he's tried
to do this forever. He's like, this is how these
PBMs are wrecking the pharmacy practice, and in particular they're
wrecking independent pharmacists. So you can deal with the major
mail order outlets in a different way, but they're really
trying to consolidate the industry, which you know, let's the
(07:23):
pharmacy benefit managers control a handful of big guys versus
having to deal with a ton of independent pharmacists around
the country. It's bad for everybody, and I think broadly
people agree but that's the kind of frustrating thing that
goes on in DC. You're like, well, we're trying to
make the speaker put it on the floor, but he's like, well,
we got these other members ten or fifteen that won't
(07:44):
vote for it, so it's going to fail.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, well, okay here in the minute, we got here
in the segment, Congressman Davidson. Since everyone sees these, well,
the vast majority except for a handful, I just want
to know what the handful of folks who want to
protect the PBMs have. What is their stake in the game.
What is their argument that they're valuable and not just
a cost enhancing thing.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, this is exactly what my point is, Brian. You
got to put it on the floor so then the
people know, hey, here's the people that agree with the
pharmacy benefit managers. Ask them why they think this is
a good idea. It's indefensible generally, And then that's the
biggest frustration. Overall. There's so much work that goes into
making sure we don't vote, and it's like, no, you
(08:29):
did all this work to get elected. You get a
voting card vote, and look, I get it. Sometimes you
get these tough votes where it's like, look, you don't
get to write an essay. It's yes or no, so
so it's frustrating. Sometimes you're like, well there's a little
nuance here, Well, then explain it and price. When you're
defending something like pharmacy benefit managers, people are going to
pay attention because they're like, yeah, please explain.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
How about this as a concept stand alone bill? Get
rid of pharmacy benevot managers is the bottom line of
what the bill says, doesn't include any other provisions or
anything else related to any other moment of aspect of healthcare.
Queue the bill up and then discharge position and force
everybody to come out and say out loud while they're
for or just go ahead and get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Possible, Well, the discharge position might be a lane to try.
I don't know that effort's been tried. But that's the
single subject bills. This is the thing. Everyone talks about
it and just like the appropriations, you can't get a
single subject bill on appropriations because they got to do
the cobbling of the deal making together. It's the way
the sausage is made right and that you know, you
(09:31):
could respect it if it was working right, but it isn't,
and I think a lot of people want the transparency.
So maybe the discharge on the pharmacy that benefit managers
is the path that seems to be the only way
to get certain things to the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, you can feel free to advance that idea and
you can take credit for it to Congressman Davidson. Respect
tell a speaker to give you a call. There you go.
I'd love to talk with that guy. I wonder what's
going through his head. Answer a lot of questions for me. Anyway, more, Davidson,
we'll talk Epstein files. Today's the day. I guess plus
inflation came in lower than expected by a little bit,
which is obviously a positive thing. Let's continue in a
(10:08):
moment after I mentioned calling electric power up your holiday
sale that's going on to the end of the month,
and I twenty one to five KARSI Talk Station Friday
with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving over. I guess today's the day.
According to the Epstein Act you had the files have
to be released in searchable form. A lot of people
saying that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons,
(10:30):
where where are we on that one, Congressman Davidson, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mean that's the law. It passed, I mean overwhelmingly, and
now the administration's got to comply with it. So you know,
we'll see see what they publish. You know, we'll see
whether it's a clean thing. But yeah, here's my frustration,
and this is why I thought, like, well, the this
charge petition is interesting, but the real issue is when
is somebody going to jail and they're not going to
(10:55):
jail until Pam Bondi brings some charges or US attorneys
around the country bring charges, and it's like, where's the investigations?
We know these girls didn't traffic themselves because Jelane Maxwell's
in jail for trafficking. She trafficked them to somebody, So
where are the prosecutions? And I think that's where people
are rightly livid. Yeah, you know, even some of President
(11:16):
Trump's biggest fans, you know, and you know Trump didn't
take it well. I mean he kind of unloaded on
Thomas Masky and Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't know, it's largely over there.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Their pressure on Epstein and it's like, look, we love you,
but what's going on? Here.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I share the same concern and disbelief. I mean, he
did campaign on releasing the Epstein files. Democrats wouldn't release
them when Joe Biden was in office, and then they
turned into the biggest supporters of releasing them as soon
as Donald Trump selected And after saying he wants some released,
he then does a one eighty and then he says, no,
we don't need to release them. There's no there there.
I mean, that's the most confusing element of the presidency
(11:55):
thus far as far as I'm concerned. Congressom Massey, I
just don't get it. It's never been adequately explained to me.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, And I mean I think that's part of where
the disclosure will, okay, help us understand. I mean, so,
you know, Dan Bongino's leaving. I don't know if this
is the only reason, but you know, he was very
intent on this before he went to the FBI. He
becomes the number two at the FBI. You think this
is certainly one of the things that's going to change.
(12:22):
And you know, this is the thing I'm just thinking about.
You know, Frederick Douglass, you know, iconic Republican former slave
earned his freedom. A lot of really good thinking in
some of his writings, But one of the points is
power con sees nothing without a demand. Here, you know,
Massey led the discharged position, made the demand, and the
concession has been made. We'll see whether it's made public today.
(12:44):
But the real question is what are the layers behind
this that are still holding it back? Yeah, how are
we going to get the FBI, for example, to be
held accountable for anything? So look, I'm hoping twenty twenty
six in the new year, is the year of accountability.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, that would be nice, I mean, most notably considering
all the details now that have come out about these
the warrant that was issued on Donald Trump and the
storming of his residence in mar A Lago with guns
blazing or guns out and sirens and FBI officers coordinated
effort with CNN to be there on the scene. Apparently
they didn't even have probable cause to issue the warrant
(13:21):
in the first place. Congressman, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Keep scanning these abuses of the FBI, and look, we
have certain tools in place you want to be able
to stop terrorists and bad guys, but everything that we
use to design against enemies of our country, these guys
were weaponizing against Donald Trump. And so again, Pam BONDI,
when is somebody going to jail? People are really livid
about this, and I don't I don't think it is
(13:47):
resonating enough, but you would think of all people, Dan
Bongino totally gets it. You know, a lot of this
reason is podcast surged. Was this exact kind of issue
where we're here's the accountability and he gets in a
position to do it, and you're like, well, who do
we need to send to reform the FBI, And maybe
(14:07):
the answer is it can't be reformed. We're just gonna
you know, the government brought the FBI into the world,
the government should be able to take it out. The
result need to be done. We need law enforcement, but
they're not working. They're not responding, they're not steering. And
it's the same kind of thing usaid we tried to
steer it, they wouldn't steer. We just get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Congressman Warren Davidson, it is a pleasure to have you on.
I appreciate your willingness to come up on the show,
up on the morning show and talk to my listeners
and me on a regular basis. I'll look forward to
County your twenty twenty six and continuing this and I'll
behalf again of my listeners, Joe Stracker myself, to you
and your entire family, we wish you the merriest of
Christmas is, happy holidays, safe travels if you're moving about,
(14:50):
and look forward to hitting the ground running next year.
Sir Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Likewise, God bless you and all your listeners.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Brian, Merry Christmas, Thank you. Congressman Davidson. Seven twenty six
Alex Treantapil ahead of that aut
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