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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Two at fifty five ker CD talk station. I look
up and see Brigha mccowon in studio from the Hudson's
to Hudson dot Org. Also happens to be a professor
at Miami University, and he is quite the expert on
energy policy. His podcast Charged Conversations as well worthy listen
for you. So just go where you get your podcasts
(00:24):
and check out brighamccowns Charge Conversations, produced by Joe Strecker.
Brigham mccow, It's great to have you in studio. Oh
you got that one? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now, Hello, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We got like twelve microphones in here. He's just trying
to figure out which one. I gess I should have
cleared that up with him before we started.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It looks like NASA in here, Brian.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It does. Yeah. I like the old studios much better.
Brigham forecast for Global Energy demand. What I keep seeing
is that the world is short on energy and that
a windmill and a solar panel ain't gonna cut it.
I mean, that's just boiling it down to his basic turns. Brigham.
Not that I'm gonna get an argument from you, but
you know, I've been advocating for small modular reactors forever.
And it seems now that artificial intelligence companies and the
(01:04):
billionaires that run them need that much kind of energy generation.
Looks like we're finally going to get something that will
deliver on you know, consistent, affordable, reliable and safe energy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Absolutely, you know, And that's something I talk about right
out of the gate everywhere I go, I go. You realize,
the world has never used less energy ever, ever, ever,
And we've never had an energy transition, and we've had
several of them over the years, from well, well yeah,
you know, and so forth to nuclear, but we've never
transitioned to a fuel source that provides less energy, i e.
(01:38):
Less dense. We've always transitioned into a new fuel that
gives us more power, not less.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Until now global warming showed up, until global warming or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but you know, the mot of mine is the agency,
international agency that the US set up in the seventies
to scope out energy needs has come out with a
revised forecast and it shows zero signs of peak oil,
meaning when we start using less oil than we used,
or peak hydrocarbons. For this very reason, it's gone that
(02:10):
was on the forecast.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I remember back in the seventies at it being at
a science museum and they showed that when the oil
was going to run out, countdown calendar.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, And you know, just like with the stock market,
a lot of the economists, a lot of stuff we
look at are rear facing information, and sometimes it's not
one hundred percent accurate. But as of right now, Brian,
we have no signs of using less energy in our
world because four billion people who live in energy poverty
(02:38):
want what you and I have when we get up
in the morning and flick on the light switch.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Amen to that. Society does not evolved without energy. I'll
bring them before we take a break here. I think
I've observed, I've said it on the program so many times.
This isn't this global climate change stuff is not about
climate change. I think it's about restricting our consumption. Abundant
(03:03):
energy equals productivity and consumption, and that really is to
me the target. They don't want us to have houses,
they don't want us to consume we're all going to
kill the planet. So how do we get at that. Well,
we restrict the people's ability to well move about and
engage in productivity because of energy.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think there's a lot of truth to that, and
it's a mindset. It's a different mindset, right. You know,
you you shouldn't be wealthy, you should be poor, you
should live in the collective. We all need to do
our part for the common good. And you know that's
one viewpoint, but that's not how America was built. That's
not how we got to where we were. We're a
(03:41):
nation of doers, builders and making it happen.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And that makes us evil in the hearts and minds
of the leftist, communist, Marxist et cetera of the world.
Seven thirty six more with bring McCown from the Hudson Institute.
After these brief words, be right back.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
This is fifty five KRC an iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
See Charge Conversations. That's the name of the podcast for
my guest here in studio, Brigham Account. We've had it
many times. Always enjoy hearing from Brigham ont Energy policy isues.
Of course, he's member of the Hudson Institute. You can find
him online at Hudson dot org. Really great website there,
Brigha account. Cop thirty We had like five gajillion people
from all every nation of the planet flying into the
(04:21):
rainforests of Brazil and cutting down six hundred thousand acres
of rainforest so they can have their Global Climate Change
convention with their private jets. Blah. So what do they accomplished?
You know what? Fly read pretty much nothing? I understand
CO two was almost of their boat and topic.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, yeah, they really didn't get anywhere with the United
States absent. We didn't send any official delegations, although a
few folks went and much to my head scratching, like
the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce went, oh, maybe
maybe the hell of a party, brigadew you know, I
mean it's not been It's like getting invited to one
of those elite events. I mean you just go for
(04:58):
the sake of eating great food, hob nobbing with the
bleeding hearts or something, you know it. I read a
statistic that said it is the largest single emitter of
CO two for any event in the world that goes
on democracy, over four thousand journalists there. And you know,
I read an article from somebody I know at a
(05:19):
think tank and Poland this morning that said, oh, with
the US gone, China stepped up and their display and
their booth shows that they're taking climate leadership. And I'm thinking,
is that what it takes just a fancy booth.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's marketing missions. They own the world when it comes
to windmills and solar panels, and they want to sell
that stuff to every ignorant company or country out there
that's willing to cut its throat the name of eliminating
CO two.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, you know, and we were talking offline. I had
a conversation with a deputy minister, like a deputy cabinet
secretary from a very big nation last week who is
reemphasizing their commitment to the accelerated deployment of renewables. And
I said, you know, China doesn't give a you know
what about any of this, none of it. And I
(06:08):
got a blank stare back. But I said, I'd give
them an a plus for energy security because they are
doing exactly that what the definition of energy security is,
which makes you prosperous, you know, having unlimited energy at
an affordable price that is reliable and when and where
you need it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's all of the above strategy. Yeah, they do it all.
Build a couple of coal plants every few weeks, and
they build nukes, and they have they use hydropower, I
will acknowledge. I'm sure they even use some of their
own solar panels and windmills, but they do. They don't
shy away from anything that produces carbon dioxide. No, they
don't at all. In fact, you know, the emissions of
China and India have increased two and a half times
(06:52):
what Western Europe and the US have reduced. Germany, well
it's not you can't build anything in Germany.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And you know, on the car front, the Germans also
don't understand that byd a German Man or a Chinese
manufacturer which makes evs pretty cheaply.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They have a factory that is almost larger than San Francisco.
But don't worry out EVW, BMW Mercedes. They got this now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They don't bigger than the city of San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, wow, the main part, you know, the main
part right there. Yeah. So, no, these guys are scaling
up in China. They see this as a lever for
economic productivity and frankly canceling the rest of the world's
industrial capacity, which is what they do. They go into
a new market, they dump steel, they drive locals out
(07:45):
of business. Then they raise the rates this is not
new for anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Why don't we get ahead of that? I mean, this
religious component that is climate change is so fully brainwashed
people that like the blank stare you got from the
the leader from that very large country talking about pursuing
the CO two emissions and limiting it to zero. And
when you point something like that out, you just get
looked at. They don't want to engage in that discussion.
(08:11):
I mean, this whole Cop thirty, you got people from
all over the planet. Nobody's raising their hands saying, wait
a second, what about China and India. Australia reduced its
carbon emissions down to virtually nothing, but what they negated
from the atmosphere China emits. I think I read ten days, yes,
ten days for the entire annual effort of an entire
continent Australia.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I think it's a mixed bag. I
think there are some people who know the truth, but
they don't want to speak up for getting labeled a denier.
There are other people that, you know, really do believe this,
And look, I get it. We all want to be
good stewards the environment.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But carbon dioxide's plant food brig them. Yeah, yeah, it's
a fraction of the environment. It's not mercury, it's not lead,
it's not something that is car andogenic. It exists naturally
in the environment. It's plant food.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
If we want to be serious about fighting pollution, there
are other types of pollution that cause asthma, respiratory disease.
And you know, here's the other thing, though, is we
have some of the cleanest actually the cleanest water on record,
the cleanest air on record since the EPA was founded
in the early seventies by the Nixon administration. People forget
(09:28):
that point. Republicans did that just like the Department of
the Interior is cleaned up. I mean, we're doing better
than we've done without question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean in my lifetime. And you know, say what
you want about Circle and the cleanups and all that
that resulted in a cleaner environment. And Brigham, how do
you get to a cleaner environment? Does it not take wealth?
Lots of wealth. You don't have clean until you get
to the point where you're comfortable and you have a
growing economy that can afford to deal with the pollution
that is a result of that growing economy.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Absolutely, And if you only look at we import you know,
solar panels and windmills from China. But yet we don't
consider the pollution that is made by producing those. We've
off shored all of our climate concerns to somebody else, and.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
The European Union buying Russian gas and oil. Okay, as
long as we're not producing it, we can burn it.
We we just we have clean hands because we're not
the source of it. That's just it's crazy questioning the
dogma that goes along with this. Come on, I'll be
the first person to question this morning. They'll come back
with any plausible explanation for why they cling to the
(10:41):
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Fifty five KRC Hi, it's Brian Thomas with Chris tool
(11:49):
seven fifty here. I fifty got KRC talk station. We'll
expense the trafficks weather in order to get the thoughts
and comments at Briglan Cown Hudson Institute Energy Policy Expert
Charged Conversations as the podcast you need to check out
and h bring them. You said you have another comment
about COP thirty before we move on. Obviously thirty meaning
they've been at this for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, and I guess that's the point. The Conference
of the Parties as it's now not necessarily governments, but delegations,
parties in a fairly loose term cop the religious loyal Yeah,
we we've been doing this three decades, thirty plus years,
and we're no closer to resolution, frankly, because you know,
(12:31):
each one of these tries to pay over different paper,
over differences between countries, and in some cases you have
countries wanting to fleece those who do have money. Oh
they're on record, Yeah you got you gotta pay me,
you gotta pay me.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They want to triple the amount for climate transition issues
in their respective third world countries. That means building stuff
and things that they can't afford because they're miserable economies.
They want us to show to the burden of it.
Nothing has anything to do with global warming or climate
change or sea level rises, which apparently aren't really happening.
It's just they've used this vehicle as a mechanism to
guilt us into paying for stuff. There absolutely well free
(13:10):
distribution mechanism.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It is a wealth redistribution for sure, and you know
it'll do nothing to reduce hydrocarbon demand. Yet you know,
everyone lines up every year for the big party. As
you've pointed, out and with the developing country saying, hey,
we'd like more emphasis this year on getting off coal. Sorry,
(13:33):
and news flash, twenty twenty five, we will have used
more coal this year than any other year in record,
even though we're not using as much of it other
people are.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, well, at least the folks in eastern Kentucky can
have a livelihood by selling it to other countries who
aren't stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And by the way, we have a really neat new
technology that removes most of the pollutants coal. Ohio State
it's developing something that emits zero emissions from coal.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No kidding. Yeah, it comes at a large expense though
for the core death operators. That's the downside risk it does. Indeed,
so I'd rather have the small modular reactor if you
deal with the regulatory reform and we get these streamline.
These things are one size fits all, like putting legos together.
Once you get a design that works, you can PLoP
it down and they're small footprint. Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And you know we've talked about this before that no
two reactors across the United States are identical, which obviously
makes no sense. Right, you come up with a copy
that works and then you replicate it and the SMRs
can be plugged in together. So if you need, you know,
twenty gigawats, forty gigawatts, one hundred gigawatts, you just plug
them all in. And so this takes care of the
permitting everything else. And by the way, the US government
(14:45):
just issued a loan guarantee of one billion dollars to
restart three Mile Island.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, it's the fastest thing that's available because it's there,
and the reactors themselves they are going to have to
be recreated. But no, I would rather build a brand
new advanced generation reactor which requires far lower enriched uranium.
The byproducts that are recyclable, so we get rid of
the storage issue for contaminated stuff. But you know it's
(15:16):
going to take five to eight years to get online,
So it's.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Reband opening three miles going to take five eight years.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh no, sorry, building something new, building something new, right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I thought Westinghouse already had these things ready to go,
just like off the shelf.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well they do, but frankly, we need permitting reform.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's see, that's the problem. It's not the availability of
the technology of the ability to build it. It's the
permitting reform, it's the environmental lawsuits, it gets sloped down
in front of it. It's just a multitude of self
created impediments and roadblocks to the efficient building these reactors.
(15:56):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And you know, you have both sides of the aisle
in DC say we need permitting reform. But the truth
is the left doesn't want what the right wants to build,
and the right doesn't want what the left wants to build,
and so we don't build anything, which is just completely backwards, right.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Right, I mean, well, China keeps moving forward.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, they don't have a permitting reform probably either does
Russia or India.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
No, they don't, They just do it. Yeah, it's maybe
a reflection of the failed system of government we have here, Brigham.
I hate to cast dispersions on Congress and the fact
that we have separation of powers and Congress should be
sitting down for the benefit of all American people and
get a better, more efficient energy production and distribution web
here in the United States. But no, not, they'd rather
fight amongst themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, and if I may real quickly, I did a
Charge Conversations episode. A couple of weeks ago during the
government shutdown that said who's to blame? And it went
into the detail of what Congress's job is and why
they're not doing it and what needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, there's another reason to find Brigha McGown Charged Conversations
where you get your podcasts, And again props to just
Tracker for producing that one Brigham account. I wish we
had hours to talk about. Sadly we're out of time
in this segment, but I sure appreciate your willingness to
come in and talk about these important issues, a little
truth in the face of the religion that we're up against.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, thanks Brian, and happy Thanksgiving right.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Back at you, man. I hope you really enjoy understand
you got family in the house and I'm gonna be
spending some time with you on Thanksgiving. That's great, That's
what the time of year is all about. Absolutely, take
care of my brother. We'll see you real soon and
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(17:37):
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Two at fifty five ker CD talk station. I look
up and see Brigha mccowon in studio from the Hudson's
to Hudson dot Org. Also happens to be a professor
at Miami University, and he is quite the expert on
energy policy. His podcast Charged Conversations as well worthy listen
for you. So just go where you get your podcasts
(00:24):
and check out brighamccowns Charge Conversations, produced by Joe Strecker.
Brigham mccow, It's great to have you in studio. Oh
you got that one? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now, Hello, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We got like twelve microphones in here. He's just trying
to figure out which one. I gess I should have
cleared that up with him before we started.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It looks like NASA in here, Brian.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It does. Yeah. I like the old studios much better.
Brigham forecast for Global Energy demand. What I keep seeing
is that the world is short on energy and that
a windmill and a solar panel ain't gonna cut it.
I mean, that's just boiling it down to his basic turns. Brigham.
Not that I'm gonna get an argument from you, but
you know, I've been advocating for small modular reactors forever.
And it seems now that artificial intelligence companies and the
(01:04):
billionaires that run them need that much kind of energy generation.
Looks like we're finally going to get something that will
deliver on you know, consistent, affordable, reliable and safe energy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Absolutely, you know, And that's something I talk about right
out of the gate everywhere I go, I go. You realize,
the world has never used less energy ever, ever, ever,
And we've never had an energy transition, and we've had
several of them over the years, from well, well yeah,
you know, and so forth to nuclear, but we've never
transitioned to a fuel source that provides less energy, i e.
(01:38):
Less dense. We've always transitioned into a new fuel that
gives us more power, not less.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Until now global warming showed up, until global warming or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but you know, the mot of mine is the agency,
international agency that the US set up in the seventies
to scope out energy needs has come out with a
revised forecast and it shows zero signs of peak oil,
meaning when we start using less oil than we used,
or peak hydrocarbons. For this very reason, it's gone that
(02:10):
was on the forecast.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I remember back in the seventies at it being at
a science museum and they showed that when the oil
was going to run out, countdown calendar.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, And you know, just like with the stock market,
a lot of the economists, a lot of stuff we
look at are rear facing information, and sometimes it's not
one hundred percent accurate. But as of right now, Brian,
we have no signs of using less energy in our
world because four billion people who live in energy poverty
(02:38):
want what you and I have when we get up
in the morning and flick on the light switch.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Amen to that. Society does not evolved without energy. I'll
bring them before we take a break here. I think
I've observed, I've said it on the program so many times.
This isn't this global climate change stuff is not about
climate change. I think it's about restricting our consumption. Abundant
(03:03):
energy equals productivity and consumption, and that really is to
me the target. They don't want us to have houses,
they don't want us to consume we're all going to
kill the planet. So how do we get at that. Well,
we restrict the people's ability to well move about and
engage in productivity because of energy.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think there's a lot of truth to that, and
it's a mindset. It's a different mindset, right. You know,
you you shouldn't be wealthy, you should be poor, you
should live in the collective. We all need to do
our part for the common good. And you know that's
one viewpoint, but that's not how America was built. That's
not how we got to where we were. We're a
(03:41):
nation of doers, builders and making it happen.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And that makes us evil in the hearts and minds
of the leftist, communist, Marxist et cetera of the world.
Seven thirty six more with bring McCown from the Hudson Institute.
After these brief words, be right back.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
This is fifty five KRC an iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
See Charge Conversations. That's the name of the podcast for
my guest here in studio, Brigham Account. We've had it
many times. Always enjoy hearing from Brigham ont Energy policy isues.
Of course, he's member of the Hudson Institute. You can find
him online at Hudson dot org. Really great website there,
Brigha account. Cop thirty We had like five gajillion people
from all every nation of the planet flying into the
(04:21):
rainforests of Brazil and cutting down six hundred thousand acres
of rainforest so they can have their Global Climate Change
convention with their private jets. Blah. So what do they accomplished?
You know what? Fly read pretty much nothing? I understand
CO two was almost of their boat and topic.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, yeah, they really didn't get anywhere with the United
States absent. We didn't send any official delegations, although a
few folks went and much to my head scratching, like
the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce went, oh, maybe
maybe the hell of a party, brigadew you know, I
mean it's not been It's like getting invited to one
of those elite events. I mean you just go for
(04:58):
the sake of eating great food, hob nobbing with the
bleeding hearts or something, you know it. I read a
statistic that said it is the largest single emitter of
CO two for any event in the world that goes
on democracy, over four thousand journalists there. And you know,
I read an article from somebody I know at a
(05:19):
think tank and Poland this morning that said, oh, with
the US gone, China stepped up and their display and
their booth shows that they're taking climate leadership. And I'm thinking,
is that what it takes just a fancy booth.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's marketing missions. They own the world when it comes
to windmills and solar panels, and they want to sell
that stuff to every ignorant company or country out there
that's willing to cut its throat the name of eliminating
CO two.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, you know, and we were talking offline. I had
a conversation with a deputy minister, like a deputy cabinet
secretary from a very big nation last week who is
reemphasizing their commitment to the accelerated deployment of renewables. And
I said, you know, China doesn't give a you know
what about any of this, none of it. And I
(06:08):
got a blank stare back. But I said, I'd give
them an a plus for energy security because they are
doing exactly that what the definition of energy security is,
which makes you prosperous, you know, having unlimited energy at
an affordable price that is reliable and when and where
you need it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's all of the above strategy. Yeah, they do it all.
Build a couple of coal plants every few weeks, and
they build nukes, and they have they use hydropower, I
will acknowledge. I'm sure they even use some of their
own solar panels and windmills, but they do. They don't
shy away from anything that produces carbon dioxide. No, they
don't at all. In fact, you know, the emissions of
China and India have increased two and a half times
(06:52):
what Western Europe and the US have reduced. Germany, well
it's not you can't build anything in Germany.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And you know, on the car front, the Germans also
don't understand that byd a German Man or a Chinese
manufacturer which makes evs pretty cheaply.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They have a factory that is almost larger than San Francisco.
But don't worry out EVW, BMW Mercedes. They got this now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They don't bigger than the city of San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, wow, the main part, you know, the main
part right there. Yeah. So, no, these guys are scaling
up in China. They see this as a lever for
economic productivity and frankly canceling the rest of the world's
industrial capacity, which is what they do. They go into
a new market, they dump steel, they drive locals out
(07:45):
of business. Then they raise the rates this is not
new for anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Why don't we get ahead of that? I mean, this
religious component that is climate change is so fully brainwashed
people that like the blank stare you got from the
the leader from that very large country talking about pursuing
the CO two emissions and limiting it to zero. And
when you point something like that out, you just get
looked at. They don't want to engage in that discussion.
(08:11):
I mean, this whole Cop thirty, you got people from
all over the planet. Nobody's raising their hands saying, wait
a second, what about China and India. Australia reduced its
carbon emissions down to virtually nothing, but what they negated
from the atmosphere China emits. I think I read ten days, yes,
ten days for the entire annual effort of an entire
continent Australia.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I think it's a mixed bag. I
think there are some people who know the truth, but
they don't want to speak up for getting labeled a denier.
There are other people that, you know, really do believe this,
And look, I get it. We all want to be
good stewards the environment.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But carbon dioxide's plant food brig them. Yeah, yeah, it's
a fraction of the environment. It's not mercury, it's not lead,
it's not something that is car andogenic. It exists naturally
in the environment. It's plant food.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
If we want to be serious about fighting pollution, there
are other types of pollution that cause asthma, respiratory disease.
And you know, here's the other thing, though, is we
have some of the cleanest actually the cleanest water on record,
the cleanest air on record since the EPA was founded
in the early seventies by the Nixon administration. People forget
(09:28):
that point. Republicans did that just like the Department of
the Interior is cleaned up. I mean, we're doing better
than we've done without question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean in my lifetime. And you know, say what
you want about Circle and the cleanups and all that
that resulted in a cleaner environment. And Brigham, how do
you get to a cleaner environment? Does it not take wealth?
Lots of wealth. You don't have clean until you get
to the point where you're comfortable and you have a
growing economy that can afford to deal with the pollution
that is a result of that growing economy.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Absolutely, And if you only look at we import you know,
solar panels and windmills from China. But yet we don't
consider the pollution that is made by producing those. We've
off shored all of our climate concerns to somebody else, and.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
The European Union buying Russian gas and oil. Okay, as
long as we're not producing it, we can burn it.
We we just we have clean hands because we're not
the source of it. That's just it's crazy questioning the
dogma that goes along with this. Come on, I'll be
the first person to question this morning. They'll come back
with any plausible explanation for why they cling to the
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seven fifty here. I fifty got KRC talk station. We'll
expense the trafficks weather in order to get the thoughts
and comments at Briglan Cown Hudson Institute Energy Policy Expert
Charged Conversations as the podcast you need to check out
and h bring them. You said you have another comment
about COP thirty before we move on. Obviously thirty meaning
they've been at this for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, and I guess that's the point. The Conference
of the Parties as it's now not necessarily governments, but delegations,
parties in a fairly loose term cop the religious loyal Yeah,
we we've been doing this three decades, thirty plus years,
and we're no closer to resolution, frankly, because you know,
(12:31):
each one of these tries to pay over different paper,
over differences between countries, and in some cases you have
countries wanting to fleece those who do have money. Oh
they're on record, Yeah you got you gotta pay me,
you gotta pay me.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They want to triple the amount for climate transition issues
in their respective third world countries. That means building stuff
and things that they can't afford because they're miserable economies.
They want us to show to the burden of it.
Nothing has anything to do with global warming or climate
change or sea level rises, which apparently aren't really happening.
It's just they've used this vehicle as a mechanism to
guilt us into paying for stuff. There absolutely well free
(13:10):
distribution mechanism.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It is a wealth redistribution for sure, and you know
it'll do nothing to reduce hydrocarbon demand. Yet you know,
everyone lines up every year for the big party. As
you've pointed, out and with the developing country saying, hey,
we'd like more emphasis this year on getting off coal. Sorry,
(13:33):
and news flash, twenty twenty five, we will have used
more coal this year than any other year in record,
even though we're not using as much of it other
people are.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, well, at least the folks in eastern Kentucky can
have a livelihood by selling it to other countries who
aren't stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And by the way, we have a really neat new
technology that removes most of the pollutants coal. Ohio State
it's developing something that emits zero emissions from coal.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No kidding. Yeah, it comes at a large expense though
for the core death operators. That's the downside risk it does. Indeed,
so I'd rather have the small modular reactor if you
deal with the regulatory reform and we get these streamline.
These things are one size fits all, like putting legos together.
Once you get a design that works, you can PLoP
it down and they're small footprint. Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And you know we've talked about this before that no
two reactors across the United States are identical, which obviously
makes no sense. Right, you come up with a copy
that works and then you replicate it and the SMRs
can be plugged in together. So if you need, you know,
twenty gigawats, forty gigawatts, one hundred gigawatts, you just plug
them all in. And so this takes care of the
permitting everything else. And by the way, the US government
(14:45):
just issued a loan guarantee of one billion dollars to
restart three Mile Island.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, it's the fastest thing that's available because it's there,
and the reactors themselves they are going to have to
be recreated. But no, I would rather build a brand
new advanced generation reactor which requires far lower enriched uranium.
The byproducts that are recyclable, so we get rid of
the storage issue for contaminated stuff. But you know it's
(15:16):
going to take five to eight years to get online,
So it's.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Reband opening three miles going to take five eight years.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh no, sorry, building something new, building something new, right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I thought Westinghouse already had these things ready to go,
just like off the shelf.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well they do, but frankly, we need permitting reform.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's see, that's the problem. It's not the availability of
the technology of the ability to build it. It's the
permitting reform, it's the environmental lawsuits, it gets sloped down
in front of it. It's just a multitude of self
created impediments and roadblocks to the efficient building these reactors.
(15:56):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And you know, you have both sides of the aisle
in DC say we need permitting reform. But the truth
is the left doesn't want what the right wants to build,
and the right doesn't want what the left wants to build,
and so we don't build anything, which is just completely backwards, right.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Right, I mean, well, China keeps moving forward.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, they don't have a permitting reform probably either does
Russia or India.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
No, they don't, They just do it. Yeah, it's maybe
a reflection of the failed system of government we have here, Brigham.
I hate to cast dispersions on Congress and the fact
that we have separation of powers and Congress should be
sitting down for the benefit of all American people and
get a better, more efficient energy production and distribution web
here in the United States. But no, not, they'd rather
fight amongst themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, and if I may real quickly, I did a
Charge Conversations episode. A couple of weeks ago during the
government shutdown that said who's to blame? And it went
into the detail of what Congress's job is and why
they're not doing it and what needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, there's another reason to find Brigha McGown Charged Conversations
where you get your podcasts, And again props to just
Tracker for producing that one Brigham account. I wish we
had hours to talk about. Sadly we're out of time
in this segment, but I sure appreciate your willingness to
come in and talk about these important issues, a little
truth in the face of the religion that we're up against.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, thanks Brian, and happy Thanksgiving right.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Back at you, man. I hope you really enjoy understand
you got family in the house and I'm gonna be
spending some time with you on Thanksgiving. That's great, That's
what the time of year is all about. Absolutely, take
care of my brother. We'll see you real soon and
don't call away. Folks. After the top of their news,
it's time for the inside scoop and bright Bart News
tech editor Colin Maydine, and there's a great new feature
on X We're gonna talk about that as well as
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