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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Donald Trump rashing the economy.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Happy Wednesday, Extra Special Wednesday, the Our Power here with
my next guest, Congress from Massi, follow by Judge Ennena Poulatana.
Welcome back, Congress from Massi, and thank you to the
voters and the Commonwealth of Kentucky for electing you over
and over again.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's always good talking with you.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well, it's great talking with you. It's a little gloomy
here at the Capitol today. I'm in DC and we're
getting ready to do the work of the people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Although I'm not sure it's going to be good work. Well,
I have been calling it and you can feel free
to disagree with me. Our spending problem as an existential
threat to our existence as a country. The way we
rack up money and spend money, we are digging ourselves
into a hole that we can never climb out of.
The debt service on the national debts already a trillion
dollars annually that is going to continue to erode the
(01:01):
ability of government to fund and spend on literally everything else.
Each and every year it gets worse and worse. But
we're on a trajectory to continue that downward slide. What
is with I mean, Republicans have control here, and all
I keep reading about is well moderate Republicans, Republicans in
questionable jurisdicity. They're worried about getting re elected, so they're
(01:22):
afraid to cut this or that. Are they're afraid to
get rid of the Green New Deal program because it's
in their in the backyard? Hey man, isn't it time
to rip the band aid off and quit worrying about
your funny, blowny job and do what's right for the
future of America.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Congressman Massy, it is time to rip the band aid off. Look,
there's no bright line between freedom and socialism. It's kind
of a fuzzy line, okay, And I think you measure
it in terms of how much does your federal government?
How much are your GDP does your federal government spend
every year? If your government's taking away you know, thirty
(01:55):
percent the federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm not even talking about state and local.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
If the federal government it's taking away thirty percent of
your money and reallocating that we consider that socialism. That's
about where most of the European countries have been for
several decades. And we've been at about twenty percent of GDP.
That's been our federal spending. But what happened during COVID
is we popped up to thirty percent for a couple
of years, one year under Trump and one year under Biden.
(02:21):
I mean, these are socialist levels of federal spending. And
the problem is it sort of stretched the balloon during
COVID and it never went back to its original size.
For three or four years, we've been at twenty three
percent of GDP is our federal spending. So you said,
you know, use the word slipping slowly in decline or whatever.
(02:43):
I think we are slipping into socialism because our level
of spending, the amount of money we take from people
and reallocate to other people and businesses is twenty three
percent at the federal level alone. When you roll in
state and local, you're getting up close to forty percent
at depending on what state you live in, Which gets
(03:03):
me to another point in this big beautiful bill here.
You know, normally I would say, look, if they put
a bill in front of me that cuts taxes. I'm
going to vote for that because and then hopefully we'll
get a bill that cuts spending later on. And that's
been sort of myom for the first decade in Congress.
(03:25):
The problem is, they never give you the bill that
cuts spending. We're not voting on DOGE, the Recisions Package.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We were supposed to.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Vote on that, and they quietly canceled all those votes.
And so what I'm facing right now is this big,
beautiful bill up here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's got tax cuts.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It's a grab bag of goodies for everybody, particularly the
blue state Republicans that you just.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Talked about that are crying about their next election.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They want their deduction for their house, the taxes on
their houses to go from ten thousand dollars to thirty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The salt if you yeah, the state and local tax.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
If you heard the word salt, that's an acronym for
state and local tax. Can you deduct it from your
federal taxes?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well you you.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Can right now up to ten thousand dollars. But you
know there's some big houses in New York, or the
property taxes in California where you know they're they're literally
robbing them blind. In New York and California, they wanted
local taxes to be so high. So the Republicans there
are saying, well, we shouldn't have to pay as much
federal tax as the people in Kentucky or Ohio since
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we got such a big local tax.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well that's their fault.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It is their fault.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And my question is why should somebody in Kentucky pay
a bigger portion of their income for the national defense
to fund the national defense than somebody in New York does.
Just because the governor or the local officials in New
York are taxing the crap out of you or California,
you shouldn't pay different.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
We should all be paying for the national defense.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
You shouldn't get out of that obligation just because you
live in a high tax blue state. But you've got
Republicans up here arguing that they should get that deduction
that's been put in this big, beautiful bill. So there's
a grab bag of goodies in here. There's tax cuts
for everybody. Normally, I'm for any tax.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Cut that we can get.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
The problem is there's only one mechanism that's left to
us now that they're not doing the recisions. The only
other mechanism to cut spending with only fifty one votes
in the Senate is the Big Beautiful Bill. It's called
Reconciliation Bill. And they're not cutting spending. They are increasing spending. Now,
(05:39):
is it things I would spend money on? Yeah, the military,
the wall, there's some you know, a dome. They're saying,
a golden dome for the United States. My question is,
why don't we have that already. We've been funding it overseas.
Not things. These aren't things that I'm against. The problem
is you cannot increase ending and cut taxes without affecting
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our bond rating on the debt we already have. So
not only are they going to bring in new debt.
That's and this Big Beautiful Bill adds three trillion dollars
of new debt to what was already going to be
fifty trillion dollars of debt ten years from now, will
be at fifty two to fifty three trillion ten years
from now. If this bill passes, where we cut taxes
(06:24):
and increased spending.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But not only does it do that, it's going to
send a signal to the bond.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Markets and sovereign wealth funds from other countries that we're
not serious about attacking our school issues or addressing them.
And they're going to say, you know what, four percent,
five percent, that's not enough. We're going to need six
percent if we're going to buy your debt. So you're
going to take the legacy debt we have and as
(06:50):
you so aptly you know, estimated a trillion dollars of
interest in the last year payments, that's going to go
to one and a half trillion something pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well, and at some point you know that it's going
to result in the collapse of the FIA currency because
we're gonna get to the point where we can't afford
to pay that that service. I mean correct, that's the
trajectory we are on right now. It's like they're fiddling
while Rome is burning. It's like, well, screw it, it's
on fire. There's nothing we can do. We may as
well have a party and go on to spending spree.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And here's another thing.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
People say, oh, I agree with Massia on everything except
some of his foreign policy, and he should be voting
on these sanctions and he doesn't vote for sanctions. Guess what, folks,
those sanctions are Every time we tell another country that
you can't trade in US dollars, we're.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Actually damaging quite a.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Quite a nice little scam the US government's got, which
is when we print money, as long as Iran and
Russia are using US dollars, they have to hold US
dollars and we dilute them with inflation. Now, when we
tell them you can't use US dollars to transact in
a global economy, we are we're basic taking ourselves further
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and further away from being the standard, the worldwide standard
for currencies. And then we don't get to do this
trick where we print money every year to pay our
debt service that they bought, okay, and and dilute their
holdings because they're no longer holding US dollars. So that's
the other thing that's coming up, Brian, is not not
(08:25):
only will they say we don't want to buy your
debt and then the price.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Will go up because there'll be fewer bidders for our debt.
They're they're going to say, we're, well, you didn't let
us hold US dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We're going to go to bricks or one of these
other you know, international standards for currency, and we don't
need the dollar and then quit holding dollars. We can't
dilute their holdings and we and you know, print our
way out of this problem. Not that not that I'm
saying that's a good thing. I'm just explaining how it
works right now and why it hasn't collapsed already.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right Well, I mean this is something that every politician,
elected official I think probably stands to some degree, although
we do have some morons in Congress who think, you know,
guamkan capsize. But but that's what bothers me so much about.
You know, Okay, everybody needs to cut but me in
my state, and you know, I have corn farmers. Therefore,
I want the ethanol subs that to remain in place,
(09:16):
which is burning food in our engines, which is just dumb.
I mean, we don't need to burn ethanol in our cars.
It's not environmentally correct. All the pollutants that go out
into the world because of the farming industry, generally speaking,
I think probably negate any plausible benefit. But we have
petroleum that we can refine into gasoline. This isn't like
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we need a substitute for gasoline because we've run out
of petroleum. It's just an outright subsidy of the farmers,
and it's forcing on us something we probably wouldn't embrace
if we had free market choices. But there they are
in Republican states demanding the ethanol subsidy remain.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
When you dedicate hundreds of thousands of acres in your
state to growing corn for ethanol, you were raising the
least price of that land that somebody would use to
grow some other kind of food, or diverting corn that
would go into the food supply into some other thing,
and you're raising the price of it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's why farmers like ethanol. It raises the price of corn.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The problem is it's not a natural market demand for that.
There's a certain amount of ethanol that you can put
into gas lane to improve the nock grating, but once
you get past a certain amount, and oh, by the way.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It reduces your gas mode, it does.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It burns out your rubber diaphragms and your chainsaw carbon.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, you can't use it as those small engine like
for a two cycle for example.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, what if the cost of all that was known
ethotol would be an even worse deal. But we shouldn't
be subsidizing, And you're right, I was going to protest
earlier when you said you got these blue state Republicans
who want this, or that you got some red state
Republicans you do want those ethanols. And they're from Iowa
and Wisconsin and Minnesota. I mean, they're my colleagues, and
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they get very squeaky when somebody tras to take those
ethanol subsidies away in this But we should, yeah, we
should repeal all the all the energy subsidies go back
to free market. The thing, you know, the thing that
Trump is doing that it's really helping the economy is
to reduce regulations and let the free market, you know,
(11:30):
provide for our energy needs.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well, let the free market. And you know that's another
reason all of the the Green New Deal programs should
be repealed. Any subsidies going to a battery farm, wind farm,
solar panel farm, whatever it happens to be, should be repealed, period,
end of story.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
They're not in the market demand.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
If if if the market demanded them, there would be
business and industry out there willing to create and build
them because people want them. This is something that's been
foisted on us.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I've had two groups of lobbyists and they represent people
in Kentucky, which is why I let them in my office. Okay,
two different companies who because of Biden's and AOC's Green
New Deal when they got it codified into the Inflation
Reduction Act, which is irony and ironic. It didn't reduce inflation.
(12:19):
But because they said we're going to subsidize these battery plants,
people made business decisions to expand in Ohio and Kentucky
and Indiana. And so I've got people from Kentucky, two
different companies. I'm not going to call them out who
come to my office and say, you know, we want
to see those battery subsidies remain.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We made business decisions.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And my thought is you should make business decisions based
on things that make financial sense, not because of some
government subsidies. And this is the risk you run when
you think Joe Biden's going to get a second term,
so you double down on the on the non since.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You made a Oh look, you made a few business decisions.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
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At about KRC City Talk station. By time was the
Congressman Thomas Massy going over the reconciliation Processor. Congressm Massy,
I guess I got to ask you the direct question,
so I know the House can can cannot afford to
lose many people to a no vote on this. It's
going to get shot down in flames given the margins,
and I guess Speaker Johnson is against it. He came
(15:06):
out with an op ed open letter to the public
about why he's not in favor because it doesn't cut enough.
And I agree with him on that. Are you a no?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm not Speaker Ron Johnson.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Ron Senator Ron Senator, Senator Johnson. I apologize for that,
but easy mistake to make. But Speaker Johnson's all in
on the on this thing.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Okay, Yeah, it's Ron Johnson, the Senator, and they don't,
like you said, they don't have much margin over there.
I don't think Rand Paul's going to vote for it
because it also increases the that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Limit by four trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, so where are you on it?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm a no right now.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's kind of the way I figured, but I had
to ask the question directly, so the tentative, No.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
There were we voted on two things already. That first
vote was a framework, a budget framework. It wasn't this bill.
It just set up the conditions for this bill, and
there were no guarantees that it was going to reduce
the deficit. So I was the only republic and know
and I say that the Freedom Caucus got half pregnant
because they all voted for that framework, saying it's going
(16:08):
to get better and denying that they were pregnant when
they voted for that thing. Then the Senate sent over
a framework that was even worse now. They were told
it would get better, but it got worse in the Senate,
as things usually do, and they said, Okay, we'll vote
for it this time, but we really mean it this time.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This thing better reduced the deficit.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So they got three quarters pregnant when they voted for
the second framework, and it was myself and Victoria Sparts
were the only nos on that. And now this is here.
The chickens are coming home to roost. This is the
final bill. And I think you've got conservatives who are
really torn. I think they're fully pregnant at this point.
I think they're going to have to vote for this
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because they're worried about the president and other things. They
don't want to go to their voters and say this
is irresponsible. Because here's the thing, Brian, this has new
money for a wall. Do you want to go back
home and have somebody run against you and say he
voted against the big, beautiful bill that have money for
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the wall.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But as Donald Trump's demonstrated, we don't need any more
wall to stop the influx of humanity from coming across
the border. He flipped the switch and it's stopped.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And I know I'm not I'm not going to weigh
in on that. I mean, but it's done a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But it's a mere fraction of what's in this bill
in terms of correct It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
In the TeV ads.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's right, but you don't get to you don't get
to defend the there's going to be tv.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Ads, and so I know what they're going through. I've
been through it before.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Look, every bill you vote against, every omnibus bill you
vote against, probably has a pay raise for soldiers in it.
And so they run ads back home saying you voted
against the pay raise for soldiers. They don't tell you
the rest of the bill is bankrupting the country and
that you would have gladly given a pay raise to
soldiers if it had been a separate vote on a
separate bill.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And so there's so much stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
In this big, beautiful bill that I think people are good,
stuff that people are afraid and if they vote against
it because it's fiscally irresponsible. I mean, this is the
most fiscally irresponsible thing you can do, Brian. It is
to increase spending by hundreds of billions of dollars and
cut taxes by trillions of dollars over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It is not fiscally responsible.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well that's why I say, rip the band aid off
and suck it up. If they run against you on
these little tiny fractions of part of the bill and
they're successful at it, fine, they're successful at it. But
the meantime, you did the right thing on behalf of
the American people and save the country from itself, which
is a bunch of politicians who are worried about having
a single issue add impacting the potential for them to
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get re elected. I mean, it's the writing on the
walls there.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But here's my take. Voters are adults.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I think if you have an adult conversation with your
voters and explain all of your votes like I try
to do, and tell people what's really in these bills,
that they will send you back to Congress because you've
developed a level of trust. And that is what I
am trying to do here. I'm on your show explaining
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why this is this is irresponsible a force to vote on,
and I'll take a lot of heat for being no.
I'll take a lot of heat from all sides, but
I can't in good conscience drive this country off a
fiscal ledge into the ravine.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
There you go, and that's why you keep getting re elected.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Congress and Thomas MESSI, you speaking truth to power right
there here on the fifty five Casey Morning Show. Congresson
MESSI always enjoy having you on, appreciate your willingness to
be open and honest with your constituents, and my listening
audience and the vast majority of which really truly appreciates
what you're doing. So keep up the great work, my friend.
I'll look forward, as I always do, to having you
back on the program real soon.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thanks brother Tail. To Judge, I said, Hi.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
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Happy Wednesday, Extra Special Wednesday, the Our Power here with
my next guest, Congress from Massi, follow by Judge Ennena Poulatana.
Welcome back, Congress from Massi, and thank you to the
voters and the Commonwealth of Kentucky for electing you over
and over again.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's always good talking with you.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well, it's great talking with you. It's a little gloomy
here at the Capitol today. I'm in DC and we're
getting ready to do the work of the people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Although I'm not sure it's going to be good work. Well,
I have been calling it and you can feel free
to disagree with me. Our spending problem as an existential
threat to our existence as a country. The way we
rack up money and spend money, we are digging ourselves
into a hole that we can never climb out of.
The debt service on the national debts already a trillion
dollars annually that is going to continue to erode the
(01:01):
ability of government to fund and spend on literally everything else.
Each and every year it gets worse and worse. But
we're on a trajectory to continue that downward slide. What
is with I mean, Republicans have control here, and all
I keep reading about is well moderate Republicans, Republicans in
questionable jurisdicity. They're worried about getting re elected, so they're
(01:22):
afraid to cut this or that. Are they're afraid to
get rid of the Green New Deal program because it's
in their in the backyard? Hey man, isn't it time
to rip the band aid off and quit worrying about
your funny, blowny job and do what's right for the
future of America.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Congressman Massy, it is time to rip the band aid off. Look,
there's no bright line between freedom and socialism. It's kind
of a fuzzy line, okay, And I think you measure
it in terms of how much does your federal government?
How much are your GDP does your federal government spend
every year? If your government's taking away you know, thirty
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percent the federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm not even talking about state and local.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
If the federal government it's taking away thirty percent of
your money and reallocating that we consider that socialism. That's
about where most of the European countries have been for
several decades. And we've been at about twenty percent of GDP.
That's been our federal spending. But what happened during COVID
is we popped up to thirty percent for a couple
of years, one year under Trump and one year under Biden.
(02:21):
I mean, these are socialist levels of federal spending. And
the problem is it sort of stretched the balloon during
COVID and it never went back to its original size.
For three or four years, we've been at twenty three
percent of GDP is our federal spending. So you said,
you know, use the word slipping slowly in decline or whatever.
(02:43):
I think we are slipping into socialism because our level
of spending, the amount of money we take from people
and reallocate to other people and businesses is twenty three
percent at the federal level alone. When you roll in
state and local, you're getting up close to forty percent
at depending on what state you live in, Which gets
(03:03):
me to another point in this big beautiful bill here.
You know, normally I would say, look, if they put
a bill in front of me that cuts taxes. I'm
going to vote for that because and then hopefully we'll
get a bill that cuts spending later on. And that's
been sort of myom for the first decade in Congress.
(03:25):
The problem is, they never give you the bill that
cuts spending. We're not voting on DOGE, the Recisions Package.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We were supposed to.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Vote on that, and they quietly canceled all those votes.
And so what I'm facing right now is this big,
beautiful bill up here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's got tax cuts.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It's a grab bag of goodies for everybody, particularly the
blue state Republicans that you just.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Talked about that are crying about their next election.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They want their deduction for their house, the taxes on
their houses to go from ten thousand dollars to thirty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The salt if you yeah, the state and local tax.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
If you heard the word salt, that's an acronym for
state and local tax. Can you deduct it from your
federal taxes?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well you you.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Can right now up to ten thousand dollars. But you
know there's some big houses in New York, or the
property taxes in California where you know they're they're literally
robbing them blind. In New York and California, they wanted
local taxes to be so high. So the Republicans there
are saying, well, we shouldn't have to pay as much
federal tax as the people in Kentucky or Ohio since
(04:34):
we got such a big local tax.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well that's their fault.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It is their fault.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And my question is why should somebody in Kentucky pay
a bigger portion of their income for the national defense
to fund the national defense than somebody in New York does.
Just because the governor or the local officials in New
York are taxing the crap out of you or California,
you shouldn't pay different.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
We should all be paying for the national defense.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
You shouldn't get out of that obligation just because you
live in a high tax blue state. But you've got
Republicans up here arguing that they should get that deduction
that's been put in this big, beautiful bill. So there's
a grab bag of goodies in here. There's tax cuts
for everybody. Normally, I'm for any tax.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Cut that we can get.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
The problem is there's only one mechanism that's left to
us now that they're not doing the recisions. The only
other mechanism to cut spending with only fifty one votes
in the Senate is the Big Beautiful Bill. It's called
Reconciliation Bill. And they're not cutting spending. They are increasing spending. Now,
(05:39):
is it things I would spend money on? Yeah, the military,
the wall, there's some you know, a dome. They're saying,
a golden dome for the United States. My question is,
why don't we have that already. We've been funding it overseas.
Not things. These aren't things that I'm against. The problem
is you cannot increase ending and cut taxes without affecting
(06:03):
our bond rating on the debt we already have. So
not only are they going to bring in new debt.
That's and this Big Beautiful Bill adds three trillion dollars
of new debt to what was already going to be
fifty trillion dollars of debt ten years from now, will
be at fifty two to fifty three trillion ten years
from now. If this bill passes, where we cut taxes
(06:24):
and increased spending.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But not only does it do that, it's going to
send a signal to the bond.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Markets and sovereign wealth funds from other countries that we're
not serious about attacking our school issues or addressing them.
And they're going to say, you know what, four percent,
five percent, that's not enough. We're going to need six
percent if we're going to buy your debt. So you're
going to take the legacy debt we have and as
(06:50):
you so aptly you know, estimated a trillion dollars of
interest in the last year payments, that's going to go
to one and a half trillion something pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well, and at some point you know that it's going
to result in the collapse of the FIA currency because
we're gonna get to the point where we can't afford
to pay that that service. I mean correct, that's the
trajectory we are on right now. It's like they're fiddling
while Rome is burning. It's like, well, screw it, it's
on fire. There's nothing we can do. We may as
well have a party and go on to spending spree.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And here's another thing.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
People say, oh, I agree with Massia on everything except
some of his foreign policy, and he should be voting
on these sanctions and he doesn't vote for sanctions. Guess what, folks,
those sanctions are Every time we tell another country that
you can't trade in US dollars, we're.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Actually damaging quite a.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Quite a nice little scam the US government's got, which
is when we print money, as long as Iran and
Russia are using US dollars, they have to hold US
dollars and we dilute them with inflation. Now, when we
tell them you can't use US dollars to transact in
a global economy, we are we're basic taking ourselves further
(08:04):
and further away from being the standard, the worldwide standard
for currencies. And then we don't get to do this
trick where we print money every year to pay our
debt service that they bought, okay, and and dilute their
holdings because they're no longer holding US dollars. So that's
the other thing that's coming up, Brian, is not not
(08:25):
only will they say we don't want to buy your
debt and then the price.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Will go up because there'll be fewer bidders for our debt.
They're they're going to say, we're, well, you didn't let
us hold US dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We're going to go to bricks or one of these
other you know, international standards for currency, and we don't
need the dollar and then quit holding dollars. We can't
dilute their holdings and we and you know, print our
way out of this problem. Not that not that I'm
saying that's a good thing. I'm just explaining how it
works right now and why it hasn't collapsed already.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right Well, I mean this is something that every politician,
elected official I think probably stands to some degree, although
we do have some morons in Congress who think, you know,
guamkan capsize. But but that's what bothers me so much about.
You know, Okay, everybody needs to cut but me in
my state, and you know, I have corn farmers. Therefore,
I want the ethanol subs that to remain in place,
(09:16):
which is burning food in our engines, which is just dumb.
I mean, we don't need to burn ethanol in our cars.
It's not environmentally correct. All the pollutants that go out
into the world because of the farming industry, generally speaking,
I think probably negate any plausible benefit. But we have
petroleum that we can refine into gasoline. This isn't like
(09:37):
we need a substitute for gasoline because we've run out
of petroleum. It's just an outright subsidy of the farmers,
and it's forcing on us something we probably wouldn't embrace
if we had free market choices. But there they are
in Republican states demanding the ethanol subsidy remain.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
When you dedicate hundreds of thousands of acres in your
state to growing corn for ethanol, you were raising the
least price of that land that somebody would use to
grow some other kind of food, or diverting corn that
would go into the food supply into some other thing,
and you're raising the price of it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's why farmers like ethanol. It raises the price of corn.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The problem is it's not a natural market demand for that.
There's a certain amount of ethanol that you can put
into gas lane to improve the nock grating, but once
you get past a certain amount, and oh, by the way.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It reduces your gas mode, it does.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It burns out your rubber diaphragms and your chainsaw carbon.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, you can't use it as those small engine like
for a two cycle for example.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, what if the cost of all that was known
ethotol would be an even worse deal. But we shouldn't
be subsidizing, And you're right, I was going to protest
earlier when you said you got these blue state Republicans
who want this, or that you got some red state
Republicans you do want those ethanols. And they're from Iowa
and Wisconsin and Minnesota. I mean, they're my colleagues, and
(11:09):
they get very squeaky when somebody tras to take those
ethanol subsidies away in this But we should, yeah, we
should repeal all the all the energy subsidies go back
to free market. The thing, you know, the thing that
Trump is doing that it's really helping the economy is
to reduce regulations and let the free market, you know,
(11:30):
provide for our energy needs.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well, let the free market. And you know that's another
reason all of the the Green New Deal programs should
be repealed. Any subsidies going to a battery farm, wind farm,
solar panel farm, whatever it happens to be, should be repealed, period,
end of story.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
They're not in the market demand.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
If if if the market demanded them, there would be
business and industry out there willing to create and build
them because people want them. This is something that's been
foisted on us.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I've had two groups of lobbyists and they represent people
in Kentucky, which is why I let them in my office. Okay,
two different companies who because of Biden's and AOC's Green
New Deal when they got it codified into the Inflation
Reduction Act, which is irony and ironic. It didn't reduce inflation.
(12:19):
But because they said we're going to subsidize these battery plants,
people made business decisions to expand in Ohio and Kentucky
and Indiana. And so I've got people from Kentucky, two
different companies. I'm not going to call them out who
come to my office and say, you know, we want
to see those battery subsidies remain.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We made business decisions.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And my thought is you should make business decisions based
on things that make financial sense, not because of some
government subsidies. And this is the risk you run when
you think Joe Biden's going to get a second term,
so you double down on the on the non since.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You made a Oh look, you made a few business decisions.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Sucks to be you.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
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At about KRC City Talk station. By time was the
Congressman Thomas Massy going over the reconciliation Processor. Congressm Massy,
I guess I got to ask you the direct question,
so I know the House can can cannot afford to
lose many people to a no vote on this. It's
going to get shot down in flames given the margins,
and I guess Speaker Johnson is against it. He came
(15:06):
out with an op ed open letter to the public
about why he's not in favor because it doesn't cut enough.
And I agree with him on that. Are you a no?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm not Speaker Ron Johnson.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Ron Senator Ron Senator, Senator Johnson. I apologize for that,
but easy mistake to make. But Speaker Johnson's all in
on the on this thing.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Okay, Yeah, it's Ron Johnson, the Senator, and they don't,
like you said, they don't have much margin over there.
I don't think Rand Paul's going to vote for it
because it also increases the that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Limit by four trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, so where are you on it?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm a no right now.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's kind of the way I figured, but I had
to ask the question directly, so the tentative, No.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
There were we voted on two things already. That first
vote was a framework, a budget framework. It wasn't this bill.
It just set up the conditions for this bill, and
there were no guarantees that it was going to reduce
the deficit. So I was the only republic and know
and I say that the Freedom Caucus got half pregnant
because they all voted for that framework, saying it's going
(16:08):
to get better and denying that they were pregnant when
they voted for that thing. Then the Senate sent over
a framework that was even worse now. They were told
it would get better, but it got worse in the Senate,
as things usually do, and they said, Okay, we'll vote
for it this time, but we really mean it this time.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This thing better reduced the deficit.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So they got three quarters pregnant when they voted for
the second framework, and it was myself and Victoria Sparts
were the only nos on that. And now this is here.
The chickens are coming home to roost. This is the
final bill. And I think you've got conservatives who are
really torn. I think they're fully pregnant at this point.
I think they're going to have to vote for this
(16:51):
because they're worried about the president and other things. They
don't want to go to their voters and say this
is irresponsible. Because here's the thing, Brian, this has new
money for a wall. Do you want to go back
home and have somebody run against you and say he
voted against the big, beautiful bill that have money for
(17:11):
the wall.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But as Donald Trump's demonstrated, we don't need any more
wall to stop the influx of humanity from coming across
the border. He flipped the switch and it's stopped.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And I know I'm not I'm not going to weigh
in on that. I mean, but it's done a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But it's a mere fraction of what's in this bill
in terms of correct It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
In the TeV ads.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's right, but you don't get to you don't get
to defend the there's going to be tv.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Ads, and so I know what they're going through. I've
been through it before.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Look, every bill you vote against, every omnibus bill you
vote against, probably has a pay raise for soldiers in it.
And so they run ads back home saying you voted
against the pay raise for soldiers. They don't tell you
the rest of the bill is bankrupting the country and
that you would have gladly given a pay raise to
soldiers if it had been a separate vote on a
separate bill.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And so there's so much stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
In this big, beautiful bill that I think people are good,
stuff that people are afraid and if they vote against
it because it's fiscally irresponsible. I mean, this is the
most fiscally irresponsible thing you can do, Brian. It is
to increase spending by hundreds of billions of dollars and
cut taxes by trillions of dollars over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It is not fiscally responsible.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well that's why I say, rip the band aid off
and suck it up. If they run against you on
these little tiny fractions of part of the bill and
they're successful at it, fine, they're successful at it. But
the meantime, you did the right thing on behalf of
the American people and save the country from itself, which
is a bunch of politicians who are worried about having
a single issue add impacting the potential for them to
(18:52):
get re elected. I mean, it's the writing on the
walls there.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But here's my take. Voters are adults.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I think if you have an adult conversation with your
voters and explain all of your votes like I try
to do, and tell people what's really in these bills,
that they will send you back to Congress because you've
developed a level of trust. And that is what I
am trying to do here. I'm on your show explaining
(19:22):
why this is this is irresponsible a force to vote on,
and I'll take a lot of heat for being no.
I'll take a lot of heat from all sides, but
I can't in good conscience drive this country off a
fiscal ledge into the ravine.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
There you go, and that's why you keep getting re elected.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Congress and Thomas MESSI, you speaking truth to power right
there here on the fifty five Casey Morning Show. Congresson
MESSI always enjoy having you on, appreciate your willingness to
be open and honest with your constituents, and my listening
audience and the vast majority of which really truly appreciates
what you're doing. So keep up the great work, my friend.
I'll look forward, as I always do, to having you
back on the program real soon.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thanks brother Tail. To Judge, I said, Hi.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'll do it, sir, I will do it. Take care.
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