Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning

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Fifty five krs the talk station Ato five coming to
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My favorite hour of radio right now begins with Congressman
Thomas Massy, followed by Judge Ennita Poulatana, who may be
listening right now. Joe Strecker gave him a heads up
because Congressman Thomas Massy is Judge of Polaton, his favorite

(00:30):
elected official. Welcome back to Congressman Massi. It's always a
real pleasure to have you on the fifty five Karsee
Morning Show.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Thank you, and Napolitano is my favorite judge.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
There you go, Mutual admiration Society. Every Wednesday here on
the morning show. Your name typically comes up in any
conversation I have with Congressman Massi, whether you precede him
or not. So that's you're a good company, all right.
Something has kind of falling off the radar, Congressman Massy,
the whole saga of the EPs Dean files, and I

(01:01):
know you were behind an effort to release them. With
a lot of conspiracy theories swirling around about that out there.
Why didn't the Biden administration release them? If they want
to release them now, the Democrats all in favor of
getting them out there, But seems to be a change
of attitude in the Trump administration. We were kind of
led to believe, at least I think that Trump would
release the Epstein files and the JFK files and the

(01:22):
MLK Junior for all that. But when it came time
to do it, they had a change of heart, kind
of went one hundred and eighty degrees and enter Congressman Massy.
You were pushing to pass a bill to release them.
Where are we on this? What's going on, Congressman Massy?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, politics is the art of the doable. And when
Biden was president, the Republicans wanted to release the Epstein
files and the Democrats didn't. Well, now that Trump's president,
it's flipped and you've got virtually every Democrat wants to
release the Epstein files. Well, fortunately, we've got enough Republicans
I believe who's say true and want to expose these folks.

(01:59):
I mean, the victims deserve justice and Americans deserve transparency.
So when you know when this salt all started coming
down where the Attorney General released the Phase one binders
and then said there is no Phase two psych that
made me suspicious. So I introduced legislation co sponsored by

(02:22):
Congressman Rocanna that it's a bill. It's a legally binding bill,
not a not a you know, a feel good messaging
resolution that would force the release of a lot of
stuff that we know they have. This is not a hoax. So,
for instance, the President asked a judge to release grand

(02:44):
jury transcripts, Well, there, you're going into a third branch
of government. What I'm asking for is the DOJ release
all of their notes and all of their evidence and
everything that they've collected. So instead of asking the judicial
branch and trying to pierce that veil of the court,
we're going straight to the executive branch where we do
have authority to force the release of this stuff. And

(03:08):
one thing that there's a way to force a vote
on a bill. See Mike Johnson doesn't want to do
this now, he's one of the Republicans that's flipped. But
you can do something called a discharge petition in the
House of Representatives. If you can get two hundred and
eighteen signatures physical John Hancock's two hundred and eighteen signatures
on a document, you can force a vote on the

(03:29):
floor of the House without the speaker's blessing. A speaker
hates this because I've got every Democrat says they'll sign it,
and I've got a dozen Republicans who's already co sponsored
by legislation, which means if even just half of the
Republicans who've co sponsored my legislation followed through and sign

(03:50):
it when I'm able to collect signatures, then we're going
to force a vote of this on that floor of
the House of Representatives. And Mike Johnson sent us home
early for August recess hoping that this would go away.
But as soon as we get back from the August recess,
Rocanna and I have a press conference arranged at the

(04:10):
Capitol in front of the Capitol with some of the
over two hundred victims of the Epstein sex ring, and
some of whom have never spoken before, are going to
speak out. Oh when we give them that platform at
the Capitol.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh my, Well, the victims, I mean, there are victims
that were victims of abuse. Perhaps I'm assuming from people
other than Epstein. This is the thing. There could be prosecutions,
criminal prosecutions for folks who, you know, for example, bolested
an underaged girl. Those folks have never seen any justice yet.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Have they They have not. And you know, the whole
idea behind electing President Trump was that he would go
after that that circle of people who haven't been accountable
to anybody because they're either politically connected or they have
so much money that they can do things with impunity
and don't have to show up in a courtroom, you know,

(05:09):
like Hillary Clinton for instance, or some of you know,
the Soroses or whatever. Well, that's the problem here. This encapsulates,
this Epstein thing, encapsulates the promise that we were given.
And I'm afraid if we don't follow through on this,
the people who showed up and voted for Trump and

(05:31):
also voted for Congress and the Senate to be Republican
aren't going to show up in the mid terms. They're
going to say, see, we thought we could get justice,
We thought everybody would be accountable and under the same laws,
and we didn't get that. We're not going to show
up and vote in the midterms. We'll lose the majority.
So I'm trying to convince Mike Johnson not only is

(05:53):
this the responsible, ethical and moral thing to do, but
it's also good politics. We should release these now.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you have any inside information about what's in them?
You mentioned politically connected people. That's something we all assume.
Are we all assume are being protected because they are
high falutint folks, politically connected, wealthy individuals. They're treated with
a different standard under the law than you and I
would be. Do you know who's in there who might
be shown to have been involved in any of this activity?

(06:22):
Or are we all just still speculating and including you
Congress from Messy.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, here's an ARESSI thing. The Black Book. Epstein's Black
Book has been released. Now, having your name in that
black book is not an indication of guilt. It's not
even an indication that you went to the island or
anything like that, but it is an indication that Epstein
had your personal cell number and may have contacted you.
Yess who's in that black book. One of the three

(06:50):
billionaires who's funding ads against me right now in the
Cincinnati media market is in Epstein's Black Book. I wonder
why he's so motivated to get me out of Congress.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, well, guilt by association. I think a lot of
them are screaming that all this is just gonna unfairly,
you know, suggest that I was involved in criminal activity
just because I knew Epstein. I mean, I understand that argument.
But they're free to go out and explain that to
the general public.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Correct. I don't think Trump himself is implicated in this.
I think a lot of his friends and a lot
of donors. By the way, this donor, the billionaire who's
giving to the super pac to take me out, is
also giving to Mike Johnson and giving to the NRCC.
And I think it even for Trump's associations who might

(07:41):
be implicated in this, it may just be embarrassment, yeah,
are trying to avoid and I think that's not a
good reason to withhold this stuff. In fact, I put
that into legislation, that you can't withhold things just to
keep from embarrassing somebody. We've got to get it all
out there. This this has good chance, I think if

(08:01):
I can force the vote, which I think I can
because I think I'm going to get two hundred and
eighteen signatures, which is the threshold. Mike Johnson has two choices.
He can either change the rules at the House of
Representatives to prevent this parliamentary procedure that I'm using, but
he's got to or he can allow the vote. Now,
if he tries to change the rules, that actually has

(08:21):
to come to a vote, at least hoping the proxy.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, yeah, I was hoping. You would say that if
he could unilaterally change the rules and throw a monkey
wrench in this, that would that just seems to give
him way more power than he should have.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, he can't. He's still got to get two hundred
and eighteen votes. But what he can do. He could
slip one sentence into a very popular bill, and the
one sentence could say we're going to change the rules
just to avoid Massy's discharge petition. He could slip that
sentence into a popular bill and try to convince all
the Republicans to vote for that and change the rules

(08:54):
within another bill. But I think this has got enough visibility.
The American people aren't going to forget. The victims aren't
going away. We're giving them a platform to speak on
September three at the Capitol, and people say, well, how
do you know they're victims? These aren't random people that
we've contacted. These are people who've retained an attorney, and

(09:19):
so we went through the attorney of the victims. And
there are some who've never spoken out publicly. They may
have given private testimony and evidence, but they've never spoken
out publicly. And so if they're going to take that
step and put themselves out there, I really think we
deserve to follow They deserve for us to follow through

(09:40):
in Congress and force the release of these files.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well yeah, and if you use the word victim, you
assume that they're a victim of a crime. And since
it's Epstein, we have to assume this is some sort
of sexual related crime. Each of those victims knows who
they're let's say, molester is. They could name them out loud,
they could assume them civilly.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yes, And there have been a lot of payoffs, by
the way, uh huh from some rich and powerful people there,
you know they're couch just civil sort of cases and
paid off settlements, but they probably bought silence with that
money as well from the criminal charges. And some of

(10:21):
these victims may not know the names of the people.
They may need the investigators to help figure out. Okay,
who was it? On that day. Who was in that
room with you? Right, it's not like they've they're Facebook
friends or something. Uh, you probably met in a dark
place without any exchange of identification.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Sure well, each factual circumstances, you know, exist uniquely, and
you know, I just would like to see some justice
on behalf of these victims. And looks like it's fast approaching.
We'll keep our fingers crossed. And you know, and I
don't think this bears a political stripe congressom Massey, I mean, Republicans, Democrats,
I can sort of proceed. Everybody wants this, you know

(11:02):
what I mean. This isn't a political issue releasing the
Epstein files. Everybody's curious about it. Everybody's got an opinion,
and everybody's drawing a conclusion.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, all right, once you know, once you get outside
of the belt Way, it's not political, but inside of
the belt Way, it becomes political in the struggle for power.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, it looks bad. The optics are terrible on this
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Speaker 2 (13:02):
In nineteenth if you've have KCD talk station, Happy Wednesday.
Congressman Thomas Massey on the phone, waiting in the wings
Judge Ennenapaulatana. He'll be talking about the right to be
left alone. He is listening in Congress Massy so he
can say good morning to as we pivot over to
recess appointment. So I understand this some activity regarding recess
appointments going on. Congressman, Yes, this is.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
The most underreported story in Washington, d C. At every
time they have a pro forma session in Congress. That's
a session where they gabble in, they say the pledge
and the prayer, and they gabble back out with nobody
in the chamber. They're doing this every three or four
days in Washington, D C. For one sole purpose. They

(13:44):
are doing this. But every time they do it, I
film it, you know, I take the c SPAN clip
and I put it on my social media and to
explain to people what's going on. What is Congress doing.
Why do they send one person to Washington, d C.
To grab that gable and in and out in the
House in the Senate. It is to keep President Trump

(14:04):
from making recess appointments. Now, in twenty fourteen, Obama got
his's handsmacked because he tried to do some recess appointments
over a very short recess like a weekend or a holiday. Well,
the Supreme Court said that's not long enough to do
a recess appointment. They assigned sort of this window of
what's a recess and what's really not. And so it

(14:27):
is precedented in the sense that one party in Congress
has kept a different party in the White House from
making recess appointments. By having these fake sessions to avoid
a full recess. But it's this is unprecedented that you've
got the GOP, Mike Johnson and John Dune stopping Donald
Trump from filling hundreds of seats he's picked his people.

(14:50):
There are hundreds of seats that the Senate went on
vacation and did not fill. Now, you know, I'm a
strong proponent of three branches ago, and we shouldn't just
put a pinion in the fuse box and let the
executive branch do whatever they want. Uh. Some people have
said the founders put this recess appointment clause in there

(15:10):
in case it was an emergency and Congress couldn't get
to work, But I think they also I think they
also put it in there in case Congress just went
on recess and refused to let the president have his appointments.
This would give the president an outlet, which is what
they have done. The Senate has gone on recess. Now

(15:32):
you may ask, why does Mike Johnson, why is he
complicit in this?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Because the Constitution says that the Senate can't recess without
the concurrence of the House so and or meet. So
there they have to work together to pull this off
and to keep Trump from making recess appointments. If and
by the way, if I if I were president Trump,

(15:57):
I would be livid.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, I'm just going to ask you about that because
I haven't heard Donald Trump make any pronouncements about this,
because yeah, you'd think that would be I mean with
Donald Trump, he speaks his mind. Say what you want
about him, but you always know what he's thinking. If
there's a political enemy out there, either side of the
political ledger, he's going to call him out. I mean,
you got called out by Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, he called out quite a bit. One day. He
was attacking Canada and me on social media. We each
got three broadsides. Yeah, I said, the difference between me
and Canada is Canada will eventually cave, and I think
they did on some trade issue. But here's the thing.

(16:37):
Congress has had three of these pro formance sessions since
we went on recess. So they're trying to and they're
pulling it off. They're convening. If I could go there
and object, I would, But because they're not doing any
real business right, they don't need a quorum, and so
I can't make that point when they when they convene

(16:57):
and then unconvene. But this is and I'm not saying
that Trump should get every appointment he wants in a
recess appointment. But here's the thing. If you just did
a few recess appointments on some of these more important
positions the Dems are blocking, then they might see the
light and quit dragging their feet and being so dilatory.

(17:19):
When you know the president walis a Republican or Democrat,
deserves to get his appointments heard and voted up or down.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, vote up or down. He can win block one,
block one, but at least have thelevos to actually bring
it up and talk about it.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm surprised that Trump hasn't made a
pronouncement about this, But you know, tomorrow is another day.
Today's another day. We'll see what happens real quick. Here
in the remaining minute or so, we have here, what
is the prep Act repeal bill all about?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Congressman Messy, Well, the PREP Act I call it medical
malpractice martial law. It's a federal law that overrules every
state law with respect to somebody getting their day in
court if they got harmed. So right now, because COVID
was declared an emergency by Trump's first h secretary, and

(18:05):
it's still declared an emergency. You can't sue a vaccine manufacturer.
You can't sue a mask manufacturer. You can't sue the
room desevere manufacturer. You can't even sue a doctor if
they cut your finger off and say, oh, I was
trying to give you a COVID treatment or something like.
It's so broad. If you slip and fall in a
nursing home and they say, oh, we were taking them

(18:26):
to get their COVID shot. Oh sorry, can't sue because
the federal law overrides all these state laws in one
of these emergencies. My PREP Act repeal says, this is
not constitutional, this is against the Tenth Amendment, and what
we should do is repeal the prep Act and not
give a blanket immunity. By the way, they can be

(18:50):
full on negligent if they've made a medical product and
you die from it. They can be completely negligent, and
you cannot get any day in court under the prep Act.
So you have to prove they were trying to hurt.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
You intentional intentional harm. So even wilful and want and
reckless conduct does not give you a day in court. Correct,
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
So that, yeah, Wanton doesn't matter, So we need to
repeal this. I've got the PREP BacT repeal. A lot
of people think the vaccines are covered under the nineteen
eighty six Vaccine Liability Act, and some of them may
be now that they're on the schedule, but a lot
of this stuff is actually covered under the PREP Act,
and that's why you can't get your day in court.

(19:34):
And that's why you see people online who are hurt
well and they can't get their medical bills paid.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Considering your constitutional argument, I'm surprised this hasn't been brought
up in court along those lines previously. I mean, you know,
you could have a court case over it and find
that it beyond the power of the federal government to
exert this this level of control over people's medical malpractice
rights anyhow.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, well, good, Yeah, I'm not sure if it's been tested,
but the easiest answer is to repeal this. Yeah. Wait,
the President could undo the emergency declaration and take the
PREP backshield back off so that people could get their
day in court, but he just hasn't yet. Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, let's uh, I guess I kind of wonder why
maybe the pharmaceutical companies in the medical malpractory medical industry
has a lot of sway over politicians. Anyhow. On that note,
Congressman Thomas Massey, it's always a real pleasure having you
on and look forward to having Judge of Polatano on next.
God bless you sir. Keep up the great work and
I'll look forward to having you back on the show
real soon.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Thank you, Brian. Give my best to the judge.

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