Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the beginning of my favorite hour radio. We
get to hear from Congressman Thomas Massey you, followed by
Judge Annapolitano, who may very well be listening right now.
Joe Strecker gave him the heads up that Congressman Massey
you'd be on the program right now. Welcome back, my friend.
It's always a pleasure having you on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Great to be on. I'd rather be in DC, but
Speaker Johnston doesn't want us to come back.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, I I you'd rather be in DC. You're not
in d C, which you anticipated of what was going
to be one of my questions about this shutdown. Yes,
we're in the middle of a shutdown. Know the Democrats
will not agree to continuing to operate at the levels
that they created last year. It's the Biden level spending
that the Republicans passed over your objection, and I understand
that with the continuing resolution, they can't complain about cuts,

(00:47):
the governor anything. They're just trying to keep it open
and keep us hostage. Although none of my listening audience
feels hostage. Congressman Massy the oldest hostage so they can
continue COVID era premium supplements under Obama, I mean COVID's over.
They put the deadline of December of twenty twenty five
in the legislation extending these benefits. They knew this was coming, obviously.

(01:10):
This is a pretext shutdown for them to continue along
the path of bringing us basically medicaid for all under
the Obamacare umbrella. Am I on the right path? Congress
from Massey?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, let me back up before we unpack all of that.
So not only are we in a shutdown, we're in
a recess. And this is interesting because usually during a shutdown,
Congress is in session.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But the Speaker, Johnson has decided politically it's better for
us not to be in town now. He says, the
reason is he doesn't want the Democrats doing dilatory things
on the floor, maybe making motions or whatnot. But the
reality is, if he were to call us back today,
he would have to swear in the one hundred and

(01:55):
eighteenth signature on my Epstein petition and we could force
a vote on releasing the Epstein file.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Is that what this is about?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
This is I'm calling it. Okay, it may be the
Schumer shut down, but it's the Epstein recess is what
it is, but wait.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
To say, Okay, we're gonna get dive into more of
the details on this one. But my question to you
is going to be, and I just was putting the
recess reality in the back of my mind. If you
the government shut down, that doesn't stop you or the
Senate from working on the twelve appropriations bills, which is
the reason you're doing the CR to keep the government
open until the middle of November, because the way we're

(02:36):
doing it right now, it's going to be shut down
up until the deadline. That's in the cry.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You can't open the government back down if Congress shut
it down in Congress is not in session. So it's
I mean, I understand, I understand his excuse, but I
think it's it's just an excuse, and I think we
should be in Washington, d C. In the event that
the Senate does come to some agreement, then the House

(03:05):
could act immediately. But he's trying to basically jam the
Senate because the House already passed the CR and then
the Senate's sitting there and they're just having new votes
on that same CR to try to get more Democrats
to fold people ask me when will the shutdown end,
and I will tell you it ends the way it

(03:25):
always ends. It ends when one side's polling shows that
they're taking a butt whipping in public opinion, and then
they come to the table and give in. So right now,
neither side has a clear indication that they're losing the
messaging war. So we're going to be in a shutdown

(03:49):
for a while. I believe the next big milestone is
the middle of this month, which is when government employees
that get paid five monthly twice a month. That is
going to be the big showdown there now, most not
well a majority of government workers are probably Democrats. I

(04:10):
know a lot of good Republicans who work for the government,
but I would say a majority of them, especially in DC,
are Democrats. So the interesting thing is going to be
what they don't get their next paycheck. Now, the reality is,
I don't mean to sound callous or to diminish this,
but the credit unions will give anybody who's a member

(04:31):
of the credit union at advance on their paycheck because
they know that I'm talking about the Federal credit union
right because they know they're going to get paid. There's
never the employees who are, whether they're essential or non essential.
They will all get paid when the shutdown is over.
That's the way it's been with every shutdown. And knowing

(04:52):
that the federal credit unions will give the paycheck to
any federal employee advance it without interest.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's a safe risk.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
But yeah, but it still makes it's still going to
be and not everybody's in a credit union, and it's
still going to make a talking point on the fifteenth
of this month when they don't get paid. But in
the meantime, let me remind everybody what is on the table.
The Republicans thought they could avoid a shutdown by completely surrendering. Okay,

(05:25):
they just passed Joe Biden's budget. That's exactly penny for penny.
It's Joe Biden's budget, line for line, that's what the
House representatives put on the floor. I didn't vote for it,
and one other Republican did not vote for it. But
it's still passed the House, it went to the Senate,
and ironically, you have people Republicans who didn't vote for

(05:45):
it when it was under Joe, when Joe Biden was president,
but now that Donald Trump is president, they're voting for
Joe Biden's budget. It's I'm literally one of the only
members of Congress who hasn't flipped their vote on this.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
It used to be the other right around, because you're
a you're a fiscal hawk and of course a constitutional purist,
and there's are reasons why you wouldn't want to extend
Joe Biden's level funding, and I understand that all day long.
But from a strategy standpoint, ignoring the side that you
and I are both on, it does make sense to
keep that Biden level because that satisfied the Democrats last year.

(06:24):
And that's a wonderful talking point when you're trying to
counter there oh my god, we're all going to die
narrative that goes along with this, with this shutdown in
the Republican cr And.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Let me tell you something, just to be completely intellectually honest,
Joe Biden's budget because of Joe Biden's inflation, if you
do the same thing dollar for dollar, it's going to
be about five percent less than it was last year
because of inflation. But and so you might say, well,
then Congress and Matthew, why wouldn't you be inclined to

(06:56):
vote for Joe Biden's spending levels, since inflation will reduce
this and solve the budget problem for you. Well, there's
two reasons. One, spending is policy. It's it's not that
we've spent one point five trillion under Joe Biden and
we're going to spend one point five trillion under Trump.
It's that every line item in there is exactly the same,

(07:17):
including the things that we cut out in DOGE. Now,
the DOGE cuts were only temporary, So what happens if
Joe Biden's budget passes again? All of the stuff we
cut out using DOGE goes back into the budget. So
and then the DEI stuff that's all that's all going
to be in there. So it's number one. Spending is

(07:37):
policy when you do it line by line. If you said, well,
Trump will spend exactly the same amount, diminished by inflation,
but we'll move it around to different priorities, I might
be able to get behind that. Now here's the other
reason I'm not for Joe Biden's budget minus the five
percent inflation because in the Big Beautiful Bill, which was

(08:00):
supposed to only deal with mandatory spending, they added about
four hundred billion dollars of discretionary spending. So they put
appropriations in the big bill a few months ago on
DOJ that's Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and
Department of Defense. So they've the Republicans have already plussed

(08:22):
up spending so that even if we passed Joe Biden's budget,
which is what Mike Johnson wants to do and John Dune,
even if we passed Joe Biden's budget, and even if
we can account for inflation diminishing those dollar values, they've
already plussed up the budget a few months ago. And
that's really what they won't tell you on the news.

(08:43):
That's why the Democrats are mad they didn't get a
plus up in their line items and the usual deal
wink wink, nod nod in Washington, DC is Republicans increased
their spending and Democrats increased their spending, and that's how
you get to sixty votes in the Senate. So that's
that's why they're not voting for it. And then they're
making up these other medical things. Those aren't fights. If

(09:05):
the stuff expires in December, then that's when you have
the fight in December. They're also trying to undo the
fraud fixes that we put in the big beautiful bill
to keep illegals from getting Medicaid and whatnot. The Democrats
are trying to take that back out. But that's not
the fight that you're supposed to have on these appropriations bills.

(09:25):
This should be only the twelve spending bills, and you're right,
we should be back in Washington working on.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Them and where they'll have another opportunity to do whatever
the hell they want by way of policy or extending
supplements for people who otherwise don't need it. Let's pause.
Bring Congressman Thomas Massey back. It's eight fifteen right now,
fifty five Kerr CD talk Ryan Thomas and Congressman Thomas Massy.
Congress and Massy you suggested, and I think it's a

(09:51):
foregone conclusion. You are ultimately going to get your vote
on the Epstein file release. And I always like to
use this opportunity as a time to express my dismay
that Trump did a one to eighty. I mean, he
campaigned on releasing the stuff. A lot of Republicans were
demanding it during the Biden administration. Democrats didn't bother uh
pushing to release the documents when they had the opportunity
to do so, but now they're clamoring to do it.

(10:12):
I don't know what changed, honestly, no one brings it
up anymore except you this morning, for example. But once
the government shutdown is over and people return to work
and the recess is over, there's going to be a vote,
right yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
The government shutdown doesn't have to be over. This is
an Act of Congress that doesn't require funding. We can
go back into session, and as soon as we do,
there's a congresswoman named Grihalva who won her election two
weeks ago who hasn't been sworn in. This is also unprecedented,

(10:47):
the bigious thing we're not in. But the reality is
we have these pro forma sessions every four days to
keep the House and the Senate from going into recess, ironically,
to keep President Trump from making rest's appointments. I don't
agree with it, but that's what they do. Every four
days they meet, and they could swear this congresswoman in
on one of these recess appointments, because they did that

(11:09):
with two Republicans already this year, but the Speaker's not
doing it. So as soon as we get back now,
this is what I'm telling you is predicated on an
assumption that none of my three Republican co signers can
be flipped by the White House, because the White House
is trying desperately to get either Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mace,

(11:32):
or Lauren Bobert to take their names off of my petition.
But should they succeed in getting one of those women
to take their names off the petition, there's another congress
person who will be elected in November who will be
signing the discharge petition. So I don't know why they

(11:52):
keep dragging this out, whether they just keep fighting to
the bitter end. We should have the vote. They can
try to stop me in the Senate, but they do.
Here's the thing, Briant, they don't even want to have
the vote.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, lots of red flags waved over that one, just
I mean, that just fuels the conspiracy theory narrative out there.
And who are we protecting on this?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Good? Good question, good question. So the victims lawyers have
indicated to me they are at least twenty men who
Epstein trafficked women to that they gave the names to
the FBI, and the FBI recorded them, memorialized that in
they're three h two forms. So we know that the

(12:38):
FBI has at least twenty names. I think six of
them are billionaires, one of them is a movie producer,
one is a former politician, one is a current person
in government, one's a CEO. Like I don't know their names,
but these are the indication that the victims lawyers have
given to me, and the reason they don't put out

(12:59):
the names. They would be sued into homelessness for defamation.
The government doesn't pursue any of this if they can't
get any of the evidence out there and the government's
in possession of it. So the government needs to release
the names. But here's what I know. I know the
president is trying to protect some top Republican donors and

(13:19):
friends of his in West Palm Beach, and I will
stand by that and go to my grave on that.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, that would explain it, wouldn't it. I mean that
it's not right, but it certainly would make sense as
to how he didn't why he did a one to eighty.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And then the other question is, well, if the president's
donors stand to lose in this white and Joe Biden
and the Democrats pursue this when they were in power, well,
it's because once you get to the billionaire class, a
lot of these billionaires are just members of the uniparty.
They give to whichever party's in power. Who's ever having

(13:57):
the best parties? How do you get to the link
in bedroom in the White House? So they give to
both parties. And I think you're going to see men
implicated who are friends and donors of both parties in this.
And then also finally, this is the conspiracy theory, but

(14:17):
there's a lot of weight to it. I introduced five
documents into the record in front of Cash Battel a
few weeks ago in our judiciary hearing that indicate that
Jeffrey Epstein was working with National Intelligence MASAD and the CIA.
And I asked, I even asked Cash Pattel, have you
seen the CIA file on Jeffrey Epstein? He has not so,

(14:43):
and there is one. Now, why wouldn't he go look
at that?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, you know he's allowed to go see that. You
can't keep the director.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Of the FBI because he looks at it, he's going
to have to answer your questions. He can just play ignorance.
I don't want to see it because it'll have I'll say, yeah,
I do know what's in there. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I asked Cash Battelle, have you seen the three h
two forms that the FBI filled out when they interviewed
the victims. He's not seen them. No, he's trusting. His
answer to me was he trusts that the people working
at the FBI would have given him those names if
they were credible evidence. And then my question is do
you not think the victims are credible? Let's the Speaker

(15:29):
of the House is trying to say that he's trying
to protect the victims, but my legislation would redact their
names in anything that could be used to identify them
out of the files, and the victims themselves support my legislation.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, that's the big point right there. Yeah, he's making
an argument on their behalf that they don't want asserted. Wow, well,
welcome to government. No kid in Congress, AMSCI, let me
ask you a simple, straightforward question. Since Judge Jennen Toan
Andrew Napoultan is up next and he's maybe listening but
going to be commenting on this is an opinion from

(16:03):
the Office of Legal Counsel within the Justice Department telling
Donald Trump that he is allowed to authorize deadly force
use against weal cartel's because they pose an eminent threat
to Americans. Does a boat fifteen hundred miles away a
small boat maybe goes fifteen to twenty knots? Is that
an eminent threat to the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I know somebody who worked in the Office of Legal
Council under Nixon, under Reagan, and he's still alive, and
he's in DC, and he advises me, and he says
that department exists just to justify anything the President want.
This man's testified in front of Congress on Iran Contra,

(16:47):
like he knows that the Office of Legal Council they
sit over there constructing scaffolding that can go, you know,
ten stories high, and it's built out of bamboo and
lashed together with very legal arguments, and they just rely
on Congress not challenging them.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, that's kind of the answer I expected, Carson Thomas Massey.
I appreciate the time you spoke my listeners of me
providing some truth in a world where we desperately need
to keep up the great work. I'll look forward today
you return from recess and start working on the Appropriation
Bill's Congress Massey. I'll look forward to having you back
on the show real soon. Thank you, Brian.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Say hi to the Judge for me.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
You just did eight twenty seven and fifty five case
detalk Station of the Judge entered up Alla Tanos up
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