Congressman Thomas Massie on with Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Candidate Your Decision twenty twenty four sty show, a failed
vice President and a failed administration.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's my distinct pleasure to welcome back to the fifty
five KARS Morning Show with a heavy heart and call
condolences from all my listening audience. Congressman Thomas Massey, a
real pleasure to have you back on, sir, been missing you,
and of course from my listening audience, my family of
the yours are sincere, sincere condolences on your loss, sir, welcome.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Back, Thank you, Brian.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm sorry they're mowing the grass outside my studio right now.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hopefully the moor will go back.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
My wife, my late wife, she was a big fan
of yours, and thank goodness she listened to you when
I didn't, because there were a couple of times in
the last ten years where you would say, up next,
Thomas Massy.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I wasn't even aware I was supposed to be on
your show.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
God bless it.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
She would call me up Ryan, Thomas thinks you're gonna
be on his show at five minutes and I'd be
in DC or something, and you know, all of our
fail safes failed. Normally we have this down on my
calendar and staff reminds me. But she was our last
line of defense, and she really enjoyed your show, really

(01:28):
enjoyed listening to you, and she would listen to what
was going on and always let me know what I
needed to know.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh that's just God bless her, God bless hers. So anyways,
I can hear the emotion in your voice. I certainly
understand it. So with that, I will allow you to
pivot away to something I know you're also emotional about,
and that's the state of America and the current situation.
I just wanted to get your reaction on since it's
been a while since we talked, so much has happened
between the attended assassination of Donald Trump, of course, the

(01:57):
coup a tad that was waged against o'biden, Kamala Harris
now going from an also ran couldn't get a single
Democrat to vote for to now the best thing that's
ever happened to the Democrat Party as well as America.
What's your reaction all there's sort of on a general
speaking level, and of course you know specifics are welcome
as well.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Congressman, Well, I got just share a funny story with you.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
This Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I went and picked up my raw milk from my
Amish supplier. And he didn't even know that Joe Biden
wasn't running for president. And he asked me if it
was true that Trump had been shot at, And I thought, man,
I think that's right.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
That's maybe what bliss is.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
To be so far removed from this craziness.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Maybe a good a good argument for being a ludite there, Congressman,
right issue, if you want to be religious about it.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, well then I tried to. He's like, but didn't
they have an election to elect Joe Biden as their candidate.
I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't matter to them.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
They basically had a coup since then. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Really, And he didn't disbelieve any of that. Ask Bernie Sanders,
is not the same. It's not the first time the
Democrats have done this.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, So, you know, that's the way I'm characterizing it.
I don't think he went along quietly with that coup.
I think, you know, it was just so odd that
he was not making a public appearance and everybody else
was making this announcement for him that he was no
longer the candidate. Man, it feels like Banana republic type

(03:31):
stuff the way they did that.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I would say, it is Banana republic like stuff they did,
and then the Democrats don't have any say in it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's what I said earlier in the program. Congressman.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I asked he that I would love and you know,
I know it's a dream we've all had from time
to time. I just would love the climb into the
heads of the Democrats collectively, just to see what their
reaction to being left out of the process. I know
that I personally would want to participate in the primary,
have some choice in it. And I know personally that
if you know, I was a Democrat and I can
put my self in the position of a Democrat understand

(04:01):
their philosophy from time to time, but not the far
left socialist come communist wing of the party, which is
where she came from. I would have gone with a
Shapiro as opposed to Tima, you know, because he is
from the far left of the party, so they no
say the matter none.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
He is from the far left.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
He served in the House of Representatives, so I know
him from there. And he was a leftist then, but
he's gone even further left since he left the House
of Representatives. I think it's interesting they are they're going
all in. They've already done a press conference where they
say they want to ban AR fifteen's, you know, they
want to stop any transfer of firearms between relatives.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
They're going all in.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
They are leaning in on a leftist agenda in this
campaign now. Is that is the signal they are sending
to their base. The media will not portray them as that. No,
the media will portray them as as let's say, normal,
and us as weird.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Which is what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
They find that so juvenile, weird. You know, name calling
happens when you don't have any arguments against you know,
logic and reason and policy and things of that nature.
Let's just boil it down. We'll just start calling them weird.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And Jade Vance is one of the most normal people
in politics.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
By the way, he sent me before he was named
vice the vice president nominee. He he and I text
back and forth. We are in sync on a lot
of issues and and and somewhat outside of the Republican
mainstream Party on some of these issues he and I together, like,
for instance, opposing our participation in Ukraine. He's been he's

(05:47):
been strong on that anti war in that respect. But
he and also he and I also teamed up on
opposing something called the REPO Act. Now, and let me
explain what the REPO Act is. Ostensibly, this sounds like
a great idea. We're gonna we're gonna seize the sovereign

(06:08):
wealth as assets of Russia that are in the United States,
and we're gonna take those assets and buy bombs and
kill Russians with the sovereign assets that Russia has here
in the United States. Well that's that sounds all good
to a lot of people. But what are the assets
that the Russians have in the United States. They are

(06:29):
treasury bonds. So basically, instead of calling it the REPO Act,
we should call it the Default Act.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
And JD. Vance is smart enough.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know, he was in the investment community after he
graduated from Yale and served in the military. He was
I think venture capitalists, and that's another area where you know,
I was asking venture capitalists for money, went for my
business when I got out of school, and.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Raised venture capitals.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
So I'm familiar with that, but he has an understanding
of money and second order of effects, and he knows
as well as I know that if you start defaulting
on your debt to some of the countries that have
purchased your debt, the price of financing your debt is
going to go up right, And that is what we
are seeing people.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know, it's like your bond rating going down right correct.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And we're putting we're pushing it down ourselves. And so
Great Britain knows we're not going to default on treasury
notes if they buy some of our treasury notes, but
China buys some of our treasuries, okay, and if they
know that as soon as you know, we get in
a tip for tat over Taiwan, that part of the

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escalation is going to be what we're trying to do
with Russia, which is default on our debt. Then they
have to they have to factor that in to when
they purchase a treasury bond, or they have to factor
that in the fact that they may not get they
may not get any money back for it, so that
causes them to demand higher interest rates.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, why and why would we, I guess arguably shoot
ourselves in the foot by doing that, because without China
loaning us money, we can't maintain the current economy. It's
sone of it. It's just a twisted, twisted state of
affairs we find ourselves living in.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Well. And also we got a sweetheart deal.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
When people borrow our money and then we inflate it.
They we're basically they're getting very little return, if any
at all.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
On the on the.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Don't say that out loud though, because they might quit
loaning it to it.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, here's and here's the net of all of this.
It's what what does this mean to your listeners? It
means that interest rates on your mortgage are going to
stay high. You know, you'd like to think that the
Fed has control of this, or a lot of people
would like to think.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I'd like to think the Fed should go away. But
if you if you like.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
To pretend that the Fed is controlling interest rates right now,
that you would most people would like to see them
lower them a little bit to get some relief on
their car loan or on their variable rate mortgage, or
they're trying to move from one neighborhood to another to
get a better job. But that would require selling their
house and getting another mortgage at a higher interest rate.

(09:16):
There are lots of ways that high interest rates hurt
the economy, and people are thinking that the FED is
going to lower interest rates at some point, but the
reality is they might be able to squeeze it down
half a percent or a percent, they can't go any
lower than that because we've already made enough sovereign countries
their investments skittish enough that they are demanding higher rates

(09:40):
for our fifteen and thirty year notes. And anyways, Backing
this all back up, jd Vance recognizes that, and he
and I have been trying to be vocal about this
because the REPO Act is very populist notion that people
are general in favor of, but it's the second order

(10:03):
effects of it are going to be detrimental to our economy.
So jd Vance sent me a very nice text about
Rondo when she passed away, and I sent him a
note back and told him that his book was an
inspiration to Ronda and I because we both started in
eastern Kentucky as we grew up as hillbillies. We were

(10:23):
raised as hillbillies, and we're still proud hillbillies. But They
taught us the three rs in Eastern Kentucky, reading, writing,
and Route twenty three, which you know. And my brother
and sister both took Route twenty three. They both live
in Ohio. They went there to get better job opportunities,
and that sort is the story of eastern Kentucky. But

(10:45):
my wife and I, you Jade Vance, from very humble beginnings.
He and he did this using I think a military
scholarship or something. But he went to Yale and his
book he talks about the culture shock that he went true.
And I told JD that my wife and I had
that very same experience coming from Eastern Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Going to and going to MI.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I t I imagine.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, look when I got to Cambridge, Massachusetts, which
is basically they they are full out socialists there. They're
not democrats. The first crosswalk I went through on Massachusetts Avenue,
a car honked at me, and I thought, oh my gosh,
I've been here what four hours, and already run into

(11:33):
somebody that knows me. So I waved at the car
that was honking at me, and they were not waving
back with more than one finger.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I knew that was coming.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I just I started laughing before you got to the
meat of the story.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
But people say, oh, that is not true, and I said, oh,
not only is that true, it took me a month
to quit waving at cars because for eighteen years that
was my instinct. The only reason a car would hank
it a person is because it's hard to see through
the windshield for the person, the pedestrian, and that person

(12:12):
in that car knows the pedestrian and wants to say hi.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
So anyways, I've I've told JD Vance's story got a
good kick out of it. But I also told him
that he's appropriated my culture, that I'm the real hillbilly.
He's from Ohio and I'm his he'll billy cousins he
spent the summer with.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
In fact, I grew up in a town called Vanceburg.
Oh how about that, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's pause,
a Congressman. We will have a couple of minutes when
we come back. I really want to get into foreign
policy if we can, because it does appear as though
World War three is getting ready to break out. Congressman
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is listening intently to us speak because you know, Judge

(15:10):
Napoulton is a huge fan of Congressman Thomas Massey. Pivoting
over to foreign policy, Congressman Massey, what in the hell
is going on?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Well, what is.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Going on is unconstitutional if they go through with it,
they're threatening strikes on a sovereign country, Iran, that the
US would participate in in some form or fashion. I'm sorry,
this requires a.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Vote that congression of war, declaration.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Of war clearly in the Constitution. Amen, And it's that simple,
and they're breaking the constitution. And what really disappoints me
is there many members of my own party who are
quite alright with that. I remember a few years ago
I was in a back room GOP conference where the

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entire caucus of Republicans that are in the House of
Representatives was meeting, and we were talking about this dilemma
of what to do with Iran and the war powers
of Congress, and one of my Republican colleagues got up
suggested to the speaker that we pre declare war with Iran,
not that they hadn't done anything yet that would justify war,

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but if we would pre declare war with Iran, then
if Obama wanted to strike Iran, we wouldn't be getting
in the way of him doing that.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
What article of the Constitution does that does that clause
come in to pre declaration?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, I've said, you know, there's a balanced budget amendment
offered in Congress many years and it's got an exemption
for war.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
And I said, the problem with this.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
If we make a balanced budget exemption or balance budget
amendment to the Constitution with an exemption for war, the
first day of every Congress will adopt a rules package,
elect a speaker and declare war and like Upper Madagascar
and rent of someplace to bomb there and be real
polite about it.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, now that's funny, but it's also true. It is
true true. I mean, look at just used COVID funds
for example, look at where money for COVID nineteen landed.
I mean it landed at every place, landed, roads, bridges,
infrastructure projects, you know, keeping different programs alive that had
nothing what's over to do with the pandemic or anything
related to it. It's just been this big cash cow,

(17:19):
go move kind of product, a thing that's well also
subject for fraud, waste and abuse. But moving back to
the military component about and something judged Upaul Atana and
I have talked about regularly over the years. Authorization for
use of military force. Isn't that like a declaration of
war without declaring war? I mean, what the hell is that?
And how is it that they can last for twenty years?

(17:40):
We've got some that are still ongoing.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, and they are not They are not constrained or
defined geographically.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Like the War on Terror.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's basically an open ended, you know, carte blanche permission
to do anything anywhere on the globe if you can
invoke the term terror.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Viking missiles in foreign lands that we have no no,
no war going on with right.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And this is why when they bring up these resolutions
to declare let's say Iran a terrorist nation or North
Korea a terrorist nation, I vote against them because if
you take A and you understand B, you get c.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
C is war.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And if you've got a global war on terror and
Congress is now denoting more countries as terrorist countries are
engaged in terrorist activities, then you have almost at that
point already said we're going to have war with them.
But we need to we need to end all of
the au mfs, and we need to go back to

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declaring war. The other problem with an au m F.
When you declare war, there needs to be an objective,
and then you need to be all in and give
your military the tools to get the job done and
tell them when they get to come home, what the
object you know, and they achieved certain objectives, what those
objectives are?

Speaker 4 (19:03):
We don't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Heaven forbid. We would actually have a clearly defined objective. Well,
and you know, real quick here I must observe as
I see war unfolding. I see now the Iranians are
supplying drones. Iranians have longer range missiles which have accuracy,
whereas it used to be the scud type missile. It's
just sort of got launched like a bottle rocket and
landed everywhere they wanted. They have all kinds of sophisticated technology. Hell,

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they're just a step or two away from getting a
nuclear weapon. They view us as the terrorist, right and
if they decide that some individuals responsible for the death
of some other individual in Iran or some member of
their military forces, I mean, we seem to be a
moment in time away from just some missile coming out
of nowhere, launched by the Iranians blowing up somebody's sitting

(19:48):
in a cafe here in Cincinnati or anyplace else they
might be in our.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Land, which is why I mean they made they made
fun of Ronald Reagan for you know, Star Wars Strategic
Defense Initiative. We need basically to redouble our efforts on
our own version of an iron Dome, and I just
don't think we've done enough in that regard. Eventually, weapons

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are going to get more sophisticated. They can get hypersonic missiles. Now,
we need to be prepared for that, and we're not.
And I'll remind you this is not a partisan issue.
I was one of three Republicans when Trump was president
to vote for a resolution that said, if Trump wanted
to go to war with Iran, he has to come
to Congress first. The other was Matt Gates and then

(20:36):
another guy from Florida who's no longer in Congress. And
President Trump called me at that time encouraged me not
to vote for that resolution.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
He said that.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
If I gave him, if Congress gave him the power
to unilaterally go to war with Iran, then he could.
Essentially when he said things, I won't call them bluffs,
but when he said things, Tyrane, you do this, I'm
going to do that, that his words would carry more
weight and that he.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Could keep us out of a war if his.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Words carried more weight, if they knew that he could
unilaterally take us to war. And I said that, you know, expedience, Yeah,
I said, that could possibly be true. But let's say
you tell them here's the red line and they crossed
that line, then we're at war and Congress is not
weighed in on it. I said, so I'm going to
vote for this Democrat resolution to say you can't go

(21:28):
to war without an Act of Congress, and the you know,
because there was discussion of it at the time.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Where are the Democrats with that position these days?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Kind Oh yeah, I mean this is the I'm sorry, Brian,
this is the bittersweet part of it. I know for
the Democrats, For most of the Democrats, it was merely
a partisan messaging thing. But uh, you know, we Mac
Gates and I we got them to change the wording
of their resolution because they were trying to condemn Trump's

(21:58):
attack on Solemony. We said, you need to take that
out of the wear ass clause. We're not going to
litigate that. All we want to talk about is war
with mainland Iran. And they did take that out of
where as clause, and that was but it still was
a political gesture on their part.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
They were double standard.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Party Consman Thomas Massey again, I be having of all
my listening audience and my family and me personally condolences
on your loss. I am so pleased though to have
you back on the morning show. Judgenth. Paulton has been
listening intently. He's on next and you can stream the
audio fifty five care Sea dot com sir and listen
to what Judgment Poulton has to say about you.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Hi there, Judge.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Excited to have you on air, and thank you Brian
for the card and the flowers that you sent.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Really appreciate the.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Least I could possibly do. You know, I love you
and I love what you're doing for America. Keep up
the great work and I'll look forward to having you
back on the show real soon. Thank you, sir, Hey
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