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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Seven oh six at fifty five KRC Decalk Station. Brian
Thomas right here, always looking forward to talking with Congressman
Warren Davidson and a man who's willing to come on
the fifty five Carcy Morning Show to talk about important issues,
and God bless him for it, and God bless those
in the eighth District, the district that he serves for
electing Congressman Davidson. Welcome back, my friend. It's always a
pleasure to have you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, always an honor. Nice to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Brian, starting out with a simple question, was this trip
really necessary? Of course the Epstein files. Donald Trump signed
the bill to release the Epstein files. We've got thirty
days for the Justice Department to probably make a heapload
of redactions before producing them, which will result in arguments
over whether the redactions were necessary or not. But we're
finally getting them overwhelmingly voted in favor of doing this.
(00:57):
I guess my initial question for you, Congressman Davidson, do
you because I asked this a Congressman Massy the other day,
kind of one of the guys behind this this whole effort,
do you have any reason to understand Donald Trump's flip
flopping from promising to release them on the campaign trail
to getting elected and then saying no, there's nothing there
and we don't have anything to release, to then changing
(01:18):
tune after pressure from Congressman Massey and others to release
the files, to be unanimously voted on to release them
by both the House and Senate. I mean, I'm just
wondering how what happened, How did this end up being,
what became of it, what was the reason for this
flip flop.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, honest, we probably will never know why he went
from saying, you know, we have to do this on
the campaign trail to saying at one point that it's
a hoax and you know, we just need to drop it.
It's another Democrat effort to just really target him. But
that's the main interest Democrats have it that they never
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put an answer pressure on Barack Obama or Eric Holder,
or frankly even Trump in his first term to go
after Epstein. Then when Biden was there no pressure on
Biden or Merrick Garland. So it's all just a desperate
attempt to try to get any any taint of anything
on Trump and and so I think that's where Trump's like,
(02:20):
now you're just going to try to put something in
the headlines and go after him. I think there's other
reasons there. Speaker Johnson's also very reluctant to see unredacted
information being made public. He laid out some of those concerns.
He feels like it could harm national security. And I
think that's the implication is is, well, look, if we've
got intelligence services or frankly allies with intelligence services that
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are trafficking miners, we got to find a different way
to do intelligence, you know, and that should come out. Honestly,
that should come out, yes, and you should find a
way to work through it. I mean, it's a scandal
to cover it up. So there's going to be speculation
because like, way, how is it that Pam Bondy's got
binders full of information and ready to release it? What
(03:06):
was in the binders? I mean, there was apparently a
plan to go forward, and then suddenly it was like
cold turkey, you know, nothing to see here, let's move on.
I don't know that we're ever going to get an
honest explanation for that. But Pam Bondy was supposed to
come explain that to Congress while we had the shutdown
going on. She's supposed to come testify, so hopefully that's
(03:26):
in the pipeline again. But honestly, I think one of
the best panels that could be done would have Pam Bondy,
the current attorney general, the two previous the three or
four previous attorneys general, Merrick Garland from Biden's administration, Bill
Barr and Jeff Sessions from Trump's term, and go all
the way back to Eric Holder. He didn't do anything either.
(03:49):
So how with all these previous attorney generals and all
the public things that have gone on about Jeffrey Epstein
and his clients and client lists and trafficked women, and finally,
ultimately during Trump's first term, you know, Epstein was prosecuted
and so was Julane Maxwell. Yeah, so what's the story
(04:11):
on this case? I mean, that's what people want to know.
And when you put Juline and Maxwell, Julane Maxwell in
prison for trafficking miners, yeah, well they were trafficked to somebody. Yeah,
we're here the rest of the prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, that's the whole thing. All of this invites speculation
and legitimate speculation. You know, Epstein's been previously identified as
maybe it was a CIA asset. How did a pedophile
become a CIA operative or asset? And you know the
other thing about the Democrats, colors Fan David said, you
know this more than anybody. They made stuff up about
(04:45):
Trump to go after him. The steel dots was whole
cloth invention. They lie. Then we find out now that
January sixth, well, you know, the pipe bombs being planted
by probably are a Capitol Police officer now working for
the CIA. The point of that being the draw people's
attention to the bombs and shut the government down. I mean,
we don't have any trust out there in so far
(05:06):
as that goes. But since they made so much stuff
up about Trump and tried to capture him it with
made up intel. If there was something in these documents
with all the people that had the Department of Justice
was weaponized against Donald Trump, they would have released them,
wouldn't they If there was something real in there about Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, they would have one hundred percent they would have.
And look, even when they tried, you know, last week
earlier this week to selectively release some references in the email,
they redacted the name of the person that was in
the email, and she's been public saying Donald Trump was helpful,
he didn't do anything bad. So they are selectively trying
(05:47):
everything possible. And here's the thing, talk about the no
moral outrage, how dad Donald Trump communicate with Jeffrey Epstein
And they're going back to like two thousand and four
in the nineties. Well, post convention, Stacey Plaskett will get
from Virgin Virgin Islands is real time texting with Jeffrey
Epstein for what purpose? To try to get Trump? Oh,
(06:11):
we've got to find some way to go after Trump.
And they're real time got pictures of her in the
hearing texting, and then you get the text thread and
that was because not because of the Epstein files, but
because Speaker Johnson and the House Oversight team Jamie Kellmer
led a subpoena to get records from the Epstein estate.
(06:34):
So you're getting extra information. So look, I think a
lot of the information was forthcoming anyway that can be done.
But to your point, and I think where a lot
of people are when I talk to them, is you know, yeah,
that's great. We don't really need more rage bait from Congress.
When is somebody going to jail, you know, And I
think that's the frustration. We want evidence coming out at
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trial where people are put on trial and convicted if
they were molesting girls that were paid for this stuff,
right exactly. So that's the thing I mean, I think
only Pambondi and frankly the other Attorney's General can answer
that question, like where are the prosecutions and if there's
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an explanation, we'll let us have it and look at
in the speculation either this guy was intelligence affiliated or
he wasn't. That was the reference to alex Acosta when
he was going to prosecute then, and they did a
settlement in a very friendly one frankly for someone you know,
doing what Epstein was doing, no.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Question about it. Well, the first the first victim, I mean,
you can name others. Treasury Secretary Larry Summer's now resigned
from his board on open Ai Elsa stepped down from
position at Harvard. He was texting back and forth with
Epstein seeking dating advice on how to go to bed
with some female mentee whose dad was member of the
Chinese Communist Party. So there's that. But then you had
(07:58):
Congressman Massey saying he relied on us attorney or US
Attorney's office files with the Southern District of New York,
and he said out loud. Previously after deposing cash Bettel,
he said the files include a Hollywood producer with worth
a few hundred million dollars, one royal prints, one high
profile individual in the music industry, very prominent banker, high
profile government official, one high profile former politician, one owner
(08:20):
of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician,
at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. Where
was pressure? Do you know of any pressure being put
placed on senators or representatives behind the scenes saying don't
release these I am mister one hundred million dollar powerful guy,
and you're gonna get hurt as a consequence of releasing them.
(08:41):
Do you know if that was actually going on at all?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, we know for sure there's a whole lot of
overpressure being put on Congressman Thomas Massey to not be
doing any of these things, right, So, you know, there
were reports that there were pressure applied to some of
the people that had signed to this charge petition, and
then the tipping point came like once once the vote
is forced, and you know, I never signed the distarct
(09:05):
petition because I felt like, yeah, we are making good
progress releasing it. The question I want is, Pam Bondy,
when are the prosecutions? So that still is an answer,
but okay, fine, release the files once we're going to
vote on it. I think overwhelmingly people were gonna Like
I had said last week, you know, I did an
(09:25):
interview with CNN and they, you know, supposed to talk
about the shutdown and reopening the government, and of course
they want to bury the lead there, so they go, well,
what about the Epstein files? When this comes up, how
are you going to vote? Like, well, I'm going to
vote yes. Uh But but I think the bigger picture is, yeah, sure,
disclose them. There may be something there that isn't already
(09:46):
being disclosed, so fine, disclose it. But the real underlying
question still is where are the prosecutions? When is someone
going to jail? And disclosure isn't going to answer that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, and there's those FBI files. Apparently must create one
of these files every time someone comes to them with
information about a crime. Those haven't been released yet. Those
are all the victim's statements. FBI had those. Why wasn't
anything done about it? Well, this is what will be revealed,
hopefully if the documents are indeed produced within thirty days
as they've been directed to by law. We'll continue with
(10:20):
Congressman Warren Davidson. Find out what's next.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The talk station.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Seven twenty here, fifty five KC the talk station. Happy
Friday Eve. Brian Thomas here with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving
past the Epstein file. Now that that's no longer a distraction,
or at least less of a distraction. The government's shutdown
was all over the Democrats' efforts to extend the tax
credits for people making north of what sixty two five
hundred dollars. Those tax credit extensions and are the waiver
(10:46):
of the cap was as a consequence of COVID and
LO and behold, the deadline was approaching, and so the
government gets shut down because the Democrats want to make
these permanent. I think this has been quite revealing, Congressman Davidson,
and I'm wondering whether there's some project, piece of legislation,
or proposal to fix the problem, which is the cost
of medical care. This reveals the insane reality of Obamacare
(11:08):
being fundamentally broken. If you think about it a family
of four, if you're making north of sixty two to five,
you're not eligible for a tax credit for your premium.
You might pay as much as two thousand dollars a
month for insurance that won't kick in until if you
have a family, you've paid twenty one thousand dollars out
of pocket. That's not insurance, Congressman Davidson, that is the
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revelation of a cossal failure.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean, this is fundamentally the as Republicans said.
When you know, so far Republicans have uniformly opposed of Obamacare,
or at least refused to get rid of it. That's
the famous McCain. Well, okay, I'm not going to vote
to get rid of it, but so far Republicans haven't
voted for Obamacare in any way. Right, And here we
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are with these COVID era subsidies that are going to
insurance companies, not to individuals, expire here at the end
of the year. And you know, Democrats, that's one of
the long laundry list of one and a half trillion
dollars worth of spending that they cite as why they
wanted to shut the government down. And look all that
(12:19):
is is to cover up for the fact that Obamacare
itself does not work. So of the places to send
the subsidies, the dullest place is the health insurance companies, right,
I mean, the hospitals and doctors have expenses. You could
send it to them, But the individuals are the ones
that are trying to get cared for, so you could
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send the money to them. But when you've been sending
the money to the health insurance companies, they didn't lower premiums.
Premiums have been going up by double digits every year.
The out of pocket maxes keep growing, claims are denied,
you get things that are out of network that are crazy.
It's like, no, it's in the same building house, it
out of network. All these kinds of things have people
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living about the current state of healthcare. Great quality, I
mean tremendous doctors and nurses and care, great tech, but
the cost and the payment system is a disaster. And look,
it was before Obamacare. But you know, we'd need to
be honest. Obamacare did not work as a means of
fixing it. And you know, frankly, shame on the House
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of Representatives because you know, Democrats have kept wanting to
say Obamacare is great while hiding the fact that it
isn't great with more subsidies reinforcing you know what for
them has to be the brand, Oh, we have to
save it. And Republicans haven't trotted out the alternatives. We
have lots of them, and I think the reality is
you're going to see over the next few weeks some
(13:44):
of the Republican plans are finally going to see the
light of day and get some press and get some
hearings and hopefully some votes.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
One could only hope. And you know, the whole idea Obamacare,
it was predicated on the idea that you could be
forced to buy it. And that's one thing the Supreme
Court said, no, the commerce clause cannot be used as
an affirmative measure to make people do things. It can
only be used to restrict people's activities. So once that
went out the door, the entire Obamacare bubble burst. No
one wanted this product because of the impediments, the out
(14:13):
of pocket responsibility and liability, so it became an insurer
of last resort, and every person with a medical illness
went over to Obamacare, and that's why the premiums have
gone through the roof because they're doing nothing but paying claims.
And healthy people aren't going with Obamacare because there's a
private insurance market out there.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well yeah, and look, the vast majority of people are
ensured by their employer, you know. So you know, going
back with some people called the original sin of American
healthcare during World War Two, they put wage caps so
you couldn't pay workers more for some stupid FDR reason.
And so they said, oh, well, we can't give them
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more cash, but we could pay for their health insurance.
And so that kind of tradition has continued. It's a
weird anomaly in the United States, and we've never corrected
it because the payer of the bill isn't the consumer
of the goods. And so the inflation just has soared
for healthcare, and as prices got higher, the demand is
for more subsidies, which really just masks the underlying stuff
(15:14):
that's gone on with the insurance sector. So we have
to get after that and fix it. And I think,
you know, President Trump, part of what broke Democrats is
when he was saying, well, okay, let's just send the
subsidies to individuals instead of the insurance companies. Well, let's
quit talking about that, and I think we're going to
talk more about that and a whole range of other alternatives,
(15:36):
because we can't just keep cutting checks to the insurance
companies and counting on them to fix the industry. It
clearly hasn't worked.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, and that just causes the American taxpayer to shoulder
the burden of everything. The premiums aren't just disappearing, they're
being masked by a government subsidy. And that just government
subsidy means it's coming out of government coffers, meaning the
federal of a budget, a deficit inducing thing. So the
the premiums are still there, many people just weren't seeing them.
So now again the veil has been removed on this
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Ponzi scheme, if I can loosely call it that, I'm
looking for good things out of the Republicans on this. Obviously,
the option of being giving the money directly to people
like school choice, giving the tax dollars to these students
and letting them and the families choose, that seems to
me an ideal thing. Noting again that there is a
massive private market out there, and I represent a company
that deals with people on the private market. Tons of
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options exist, just like the federal Gunment doesn't want you
to believe there's anything but Obamacare a disaster. Gotr's some
Rowin Davidson. God bless you, sir for coming on the
fifty five Carecy Morning Show. We appreciate what you do
for us and look forward to great things coming out
of Congress as we move forward in the aftermath of
the Epstein fight and the government closure fight.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, look, I don't want to let that become a
distraction either. I mean, we're getting good things done. The
Trump administration's on offense. Things are moving in the right direction,
and we should keep that focus. We got to get
run through the tape and get the rest of our
appropriations bills done and fund this government the proper way,
which is a smaller, more focused government. But thanks a lot, Brian,
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God bless you and all your listeners.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Thank you, sir. Seven twenty seven to fifty five KRCD
Talk Station. I've been dreaming of a smaller government.
Seven oh six at fifty five KRC Decalk Station. Brian
Thomas right here, always looking forward to talking with Congressman
Warren Davidson and a man who's willing to come on
the fifty five Carcy Morning Show to talk about important issues,
and God bless him for it, and God bless those
in the eighth District, the district that he serves for
electing Congressman Davidson. Welcome back, my friend. It's always a
pleasure to have you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, always an honor. Nice to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Brian, starting out with a simple question, was this trip
really necessary? Of course the Epstein files. Donald Trump signed
the bill to release the Epstein files. We've got thirty
days for the Justice Department to probably make a heapload
of redactions before producing them, which will result in arguments
over whether the redactions were necessary or not. But we're
finally getting them overwhelmingly voted in favor of doing this.
(00:57):
I guess my initial question for you, Congressman Davidson, do
you because I asked this a Congressman Massy the other day,
kind of one of the guys behind this this whole effort,
do you have any reason to understand Donald Trump's flip
flopping from promising to release them on the campaign trail
to getting elected and then saying no, there's nothing there
and we don't have anything to release, to then changing
(01:18):
tune after pressure from Congressman Massey and others to release
the files, to be unanimously voted on to release them
by both the House and Senate. I mean, I'm just
wondering how what happened, How did this end up being,
what became of it, what was the reason for this
flip flop.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, honest, we probably will never know why he went
from saying, you know, we have to do this on
the campaign trail to saying at one point that it's
a hoax and you know, we just need to drop it.
It's another Democrat effort to just really target him. But
that's the main interest Democrats have it that they never
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put an answer pressure on Barack Obama or Eric Holder,
or frankly even Trump in his first term to go
after Epstein. Then when Biden was there no pressure on
Biden or Merrick Garland. So it's all just a desperate
attempt to try to get any any taint of anything
on Trump and and so I think that's where Trump's like,
(02:20):
now you're just going to try to put something in
the headlines and go after him. I think there's other
reasons there. Speaker Johnson's also very reluctant to see unredacted
information being made public. He laid out some of those concerns.
He feels like it could harm national security. And I
think that's the implication is is, well, look, if we've
got intelligence services or frankly allies with intelligence services that
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are trafficking miners, we got to find a different way
to do intelligence, you know, and that should come out. Honestly,
that should come out, yes, and you should find a
way to work through it. I mean, it's a scandal
to cover it up. So there's going to be speculation
because like, way, how is it that Pam Bondy's got
binders full of information and ready to release it? What
(03:06):
was in the binders? I mean, there was apparently a
plan to go forward, and then suddenly it was like
cold turkey, you know, nothing to see here, let's move on.
I don't know that we're ever going to get an
honest explanation for that. But Pam Bondy was supposed to
come explain that to Congress while we had the shutdown
going on. She's supposed to come testify, so hopefully that's
(03:26):
in the pipeline again. But honestly, I think one of
the best panels that could be done would have Pam Bondy,
the current attorney general, the two previous the three or
four previous attorneys general, Merrick Garland from Biden's administration, Bill
Barr and Jeff Sessions from Trump's term, and go all
the way back to Eric Holder. He didn't do anything either.
(03:49):
So how with all these previous attorney generals and all
the public things that have gone on about Jeffrey Epstein
and his clients and client lists and trafficked women, and finally,
ultimately during Trump's first term, you know, Epstein was prosecuted
and so was Julane Maxwell. Yeah, so what's the story
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on this case? I mean, that's what people want to know.
And when you put Juline and Maxwell, Julane Maxwell in
prison for trafficking miners, yeah, well they were trafficked to somebody. Yeah,
we're here the rest of the prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, that's the whole thing. All of this invites speculation
and legitimate speculation. You know, Epstein's been previously identified as
maybe it was a CIA asset. How did a pedophile
become a CIA operative or asset? And you know the
other thing about the Democrats, colors Fan David said, you
know this more than anybody. They made stuff up about
(04:45):
Trump to go after him. The steel dots was whole
cloth invention. They lie. Then we find out now that
January sixth, well, you know, the pipe bombs being planted
by probably are a Capitol Police officer now working for
the CIA. The point of that being the draw people's
attention to the bombs and shut the government down. I mean,
we don't have any trust out there in so far
(05:06):
as that goes. But since they made so much stuff
up about Trump and tried to capture him it with
made up intel. If there was something in these documents
with all the people that had the Department of Justice
was weaponized against Donald Trump, they would have released them,
wouldn't they If there was something real in there about Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, they would have one hundred percent they would have.
And look, even when they tried, you know, last week
earlier this week to selectively release some references in the email,
they redacted the name of the person that was in
the email, and she's been public saying Donald Trump was helpful,
he didn't do anything bad. So they are selectively trying
(05:47):
everything possible. And here's the thing, talk about the no
moral outrage, how dad Donald Trump communicate with Jeffrey Epstein
And they're going back to like two thousand and four
in the nineties. Well, post convention, Stacey Plaskett will get
from Virgin Virgin Islands is real time texting with Jeffrey
Epstein for what purpose? To try to get Trump? Oh,
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we've got to find some way to go after Trump.
And they're real time got pictures of her in the
hearing texting, and then you get the text thread and
that was because not because of the Epstein files, but
because Speaker Johnson and the House Oversight team Jamie Kellmer
led a subpoena to get records from the Epstein estate.
(06:34):
So you're getting extra information. So look, I think a
lot of the information was forthcoming anyway that can be done.
But to your point, and I think where a lot
of people are when I talk to them, is you know, yeah,
that's great. We don't really need more rage bait from Congress.
When is somebody going to jail, you know, And I
think that's the frustration. We want evidence coming out at
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trial where people are put on trial and convicted if
they were molesting girls that were paid for this stuff,
right exactly. So that's the thing I mean, I think
only Pambondi and frankly the other Attorney's General can answer
that question, like where are the prosecutions and if there's
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an explanation, we'll let us have it and look at
in the speculation either this guy was intelligence affiliated or
he wasn't. That was the reference to alex Acosta when
he was going to prosecute then, and they did a
settlement in a very friendly one frankly for someone you know,
doing what Epstein was doing, no.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Question about it. Well, the first the first victim, I mean,
you can name others. Treasury Secretary Larry Summer's now resigned
from his board on open Ai Elsa stepped down from
position at Harvard. He was texting back and forth with
Epstein seeking dating advice on how to go to bed
with some female mentee whose dad was member of the
Chinese Communist Party. So there's that. But then you had
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Congressman Massey saying he relied on us attorney or US
Attorney's office files with the Southern District of New York,
and he said out loud. Previously after deposing cash Bettel,
he said the files include a Hollywood producer with worth
a few hundred million dollars, one royal prints, one high
profile individual in the music industry, very prominent banker, high
profile government official, one high profile former politician, one owner
(08:20):
of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician,
at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. Where
was pressure? Do you know of any pressure being put
placed on senators or representatives behind the scenes saying don't
release these I am mister one hundred million dollar powerful guy,
and you're gonna get hurt as a consequence of releasing them.
(08:41):
Do you know if that was actually going on at all?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, we know for sure there's a whole lot of
overpressure being put on Congressman Thomas Massey to not be
doing any of these things, right, So, you know, there
were reports that there were pressure applied to some of
the people that had signed to this charge petition, and
then the tipping point came like once once the vote
is forced, and you know, I never signed the distarct
(09:05):
petition because I felt like, yeah, we are making good
progress releasing it. The question I want is, Pam Bondy,
when are the prosecutions? So that still is an answer,
but okay, fine, release the files once we're going to
vote on it. I think overwhelmingly people were gonna Like
I had said last week, you know, I did an
(09:25):
interview with CNN and they, you know, supposed to talk
about the shutdown and reopening the government, and of course
they want to bury the lead there, so they go, well,
what about the Epstein files? When this comes up, how
are you going to vote? Like, well, I'm going to
vote yes. Uh But but I think the bigger picture is, yeah, sure,
disclose them. There may be something there that isn't already
(09:46):
being disclosed, so fine, disclose it. But the real underlying
question still is where are the prosecutions? When is someone
going to jail? And disclosure isn't going to answer that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, and there's those FBI files. Apparently must create one
of these files every time someone comes to them with
information about a crime. Those haven't been released yet. Those
are all the victim's statements. FBI had those. Why wasn't
anything done about it? Well, this is what will be revealed,
hopefully if the documents are indeed produced within thirty days
as they've been directed to by law. We'll continue with
(10:20):
Congressman Warren Davidson. Find out what's next.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The talk station.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Seven twenty here, fifty five KC the talk station. Happy
Friday Eve. Brian Thomas here with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving
past the Epstein file. Now that that's no longer a distraction,
or at least less of a distraction. The government's shutdown
was all over the Democrats' efforts to extend the tax
credits for people making north of what sixty two five
hundred dollars. Those tax credit extensions and are the waiver
(10:46):
of the cap was as a consequence of COVID and
LO and behold, the deadline was approaching, and so the
government gets shut down because the Democrats want to make
these permanent. I think this has been quite revealing, Congressman Davidson,
and I'm wondering whether there's some project, piece of legislation,
or proposal to fix the problem, which is the cost
of medical care. This reveals the insane reality of Obamacare
(11:08):
being fundamentally broken. If you think about it a family
of four, if you're making north of sixty two to five,
you're not eligible for a tax credit for your premium.
You might pay as much as two thousand dollars a
month for insurance that won't kick in until if you
have a family, you've paid twenty one thousand dollars out
of pocket. That's not insurance, Congressman Davidson, that is the
(11:28):
revelation of a cossal failure.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean, this is fundamentally the as Republicans said.
When you know, so far Republicans have uniformly opposed of Obamacare,
or at least refused to get rid of it. That's
the famous McCain. Well, okay, I'm not going to vote
to get rid of it, but so far Republicans haven't
voted for Obamacare in any way. Right, And here we
(11:54):
are with these COVID era subsidies that are going to
insurance companies, not to individuals, expire here at the end
of the year. And you know, Democrats, that's one of
the long laundry list of one and a half trillion
dollars worth of spending that they cite as why they
wanted to shut the government down. And look all that
(12:19):
is is to cover up for the fact that Obamacare
itself does not work. So of the places to send
the subsidies, the dullest place is the health insurance companies, right,
I mean, the hospitals and doctors have expenses. You could
send it to them, But the individuals are the ones
that are trying to get cared for, so you could
(12:39):
send the money to them. But when you've been sending
the money to the health insurance companies, they didn't lower premiums.
Premiums have been going up by double digits every year.
The out of pocket maxes keep growing, claims are denied,
you get things that are out of network that are crazy.
It's like, no, it's in the same building house, it
out of network. All these kinds of things have people
(12:59):
living about the current state of healthcare. Great quality, I
mean tremendous doctors and nurses and care, great tech, but
the cost and the payment system is a disaster. And look,
it was before Obamacare. But you know, we'd need to
be honest. Obamacare did not work as a means of
fixing it. And you know, frankly, shame on the House
(13:21):
of Representatives because you know, Democrats have kept wanting to
say Obamacare is great while hiding the fact that it
isn't great with more subsidies reinforcing you know what for
them has to be the brand, Oh, we have to
save it. And Republicans haven't trotted out the alternatives. We
have lots of them, and I think the reality is
you're going to see over the next few weeks some
(13:44):
of the Republican plans are finally going to see the
light of day and get some press and get some
hearings and hopefully some votes.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
One could only hope. And you know, the whole idea Obamacare,
it was predicated on the idea that you could be
forced to buy it. And that's one thing the Supreme
Court said, no, the commerce clause cannot be used as
an affirmative measure to make people do things. It can
only be used to restrict people's activities. So once that
went out the door, the entire Obamacare bubble burst. No
one wanted this product because of the impediments, the out
(14:13):
of pocket responsibility and liability, so it became an insurer
of last resort, and every person with a medical illness
went over to Obamacare, and that's why the premiums have
gone through the roof because they're doing nothing but paying claims.
And healthy people aren't going with Obamacare because there's a
private insurance market out there.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well yeah, and look, the vast majority of people are
ensured by their employer, you know. So you know, going
back with some people called the original sin of American
healthcare during World War Two, they put wage caps so
you couldn't pay workers more for some stupid FDR reason.
And so they said, oh, well, we can't give them
(14:50):
more cash, but we could pay for their health insurance.
And so that kind of tradition has continued. It's a
weird anomaly in the United States, and we've never corrected
it because the payer of the bill isn't the consumer
of the goods. And so the inflation just has soared
for healthcare, and as prices got higher, the demand is
for more subsidies, which really just masks the underlying stuff
(15:14):
that's gone on with the insurance sector. So we have
to get after that and fix it. And I think,
you know, President Trump, part of what broke Democrats is
when he was saying, well, okay, let's just send the
subsidies to individuals instead of the insurance companies. Well, let's
quit talking about that, and I think we're going to
talk more about that and a whole range of other alternatives,
(15:36):
because we can't just keep cutting checks to the insurance
companies and counting on them to fix the industry. It
clearly hasn't worked.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, and that just causes the American taxpayer to shoulder
the burden of everything. The premiums aren't just disappearing, they're
being masked by a government subsidy. And that just government
subsidy means it's coming out of government coffers, meaning the
federal of a budget, a deficit inducing thing. So the
the premiums are still there, many people just weren't seeing them.
So now again the veil has been removed on this
(16:06):
Ponzi scheme, if I can loosely call it that, I'm
looking for good things out of the Republicans on this. Obviously,
the option of being giving the money directly to people
like school choice, giving the tax dollars to these students
and letting them and the families choose, that seems to
me an ideal thing. Noting again that there is a
massive private market out there, and I represent a company
that deals with people on the private market. Tons of
(16:27):
options exist, just like the federal Gunment doesn't want you
to believe there's anything but Obamacare a disaster. Gotr's some
Rowin Davidson. God bless you, sir for coming on the
fifty five Carecy Morning Show. We appreciate what you do
for us and look forward to great things coming out
of Congress as we move forward in the aftermath of
the Epstein fight and the government closure fight.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, look, I don't want to let that become a
distraction either. I mean, we're getting good things done. The
Trump administration's on offense. Things are moving in the right direction,
and we should keep that focus. We got to get
run through the tape and get the rest of our
appropriations bills done and fund this government the proper way,
which is a smaller, more focused government. But thanks a lot, Brian,
(17:09):
God bless you and all your listeners.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Thank you, sir. Seven twenty seven to fifty five KRCD
Talk Station. I've been dreaming of a smaller government.
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