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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hey twenty nine fifty gout kre CD talk station A
very happy Monday to you. Extra special. You get the
benefit of Attorney Kurt Hartman joining the program to talking
about his lawsuit he filed against the Clerk of Courts
Pavan Parik And as well as Emily Werner, highest ranking
attorney in the city and the City of Cincinnati. Welcome back, Kurt.
It's a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, Always good to be with you. All Right.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm staring at a picture of him. I know his name,
Alexander Tchrevinsky. He's the guy who slapped the black man
after being assaulted in downtown Cincinnati, leading to an epic
beat down. We're all familiar with. We all know what
happened to Holly who got knocked out and almost murdered
with that punch to the face. But let me start
with this one. How is it that Alexander Tchrevinsky, who's
(01:28):
got a lawyer who's made public a statement acknowledging who
the guy is, his identity and defended him in court.
How is it that alex Trevinsky again I said his
name out loud, is protected by Marcy's law.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Kurt Hartman, Uh, you ask a good question to which
I don't have an answer.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, it's kind of dumb.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's kind of dumbfounding what the City of Cincinnati is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, they file a criminal.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Case against somebody and then they basically say, we want
everything in this case sealed. We don't want the public
to have any access to any of the filings in
this case. And apparently when we're speculating, they're saying, well,
it's Marcy's law, we've got to keep him his identity
secret because he was the victim of a crime. Assuming
(02:15):
that that's what they're saying, you know, it's like it's
public knowledge, like you said, His attorney.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Even says, I don't want these records sealed.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You know, well, the only the only check really, you know,
one of the checks we as the citizen have on
our government in terms of criminal prosecutions is the ability
to see the court filings to be there in court.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Obviously, at least as of now, they're not closing the
court hearing. But you know, we, my client and you
know in the general public in the news media want
to see these files. The Clerk of Courts and saying, well,
there was a motion filed.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So we're not gonna let you see it.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
The Ohio Supreme Court has said, you know, one the
people have an interest there even in essence a party
to criminal proceedings. Therefore, they haven't what they said, unrestricted
right to access the files before, during, and after a
criminal case. Up until the moment it's actually been sealed
by core order.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There is no quarter.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There is no quarter. I want to make sure that
point was emphasized. If there was a court order, there
might be something to talk about here. But there isn't
a protective order in place yet, so they're still not
producing the documents I mean, which obviously seems to be
a violation of Ohio Lall right, there.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Absolutely, and that's why we absume both. You know, we
go to the Clerk of Courts and say, hey, we
want to see these files. We want copies of these files.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, we're not giving anything to you because there's a
motion to seal. I said, then, can I see the
motion to seal that you're relying on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, that's part of the court filings too.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, it's almost that they have to temper enter a
temporary motion or a temporary hold on the documents while
the litigation over putting this in place is litigated or something.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would think, yeah, you would think, but so as
you know, But but well, we have lawlessness.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, we have lawlessness on our streets when it comes
to the city of Cincinnati. We apparently have lawlessness in
the courts when it comes to the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, they've become a law unto themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, indeed. Well, I'm Kurt Hartman. I'm glad you're the
one representing the planet from this matter. He just happens
to be a guy withstanding, right, Eugene Utz Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Correct, correct, you.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I went down to the request on his behalf, both
to look at the rough files as well as to
get copies, so he has standing. He was denied the request,
and so we're now at the Ohio Supreme Court asking
them to order both the clerk, the City of Cincinnati
and emily warned the city solicitor whose office is prosecuting
of this individual?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, okay, maybe you can answer the question that's been
burning in my mind, Kurt Hartman. How is it because
the police did not want to cite Alexander Tchrevinsky. The
camon Keunty prosecutors said there wasn't something there to side
him with, and yet the city solicitor was able to
force the police department to issue a site of this
guy by what authorities?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's the solicitor?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Can they force the police to issue a citation that
they otherwise don't believe there was probable cause the issue?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You you asked a second good question this morning and
to which I really don't have an answer, So you
stumped me twice.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Br Huh is that? I think I think part of that.
You know, there's gonna be a civil rights lawsuit that
comes out of this, Okay, whether.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's for malicious prosecution, whether it's for racially motivated prosecution, uh,
you know, against the city.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I think when that comes, and that may be a year,
you know, years year or years down the road.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh, hopefully that comes to light and we can find
out really this whole dynamics that occurred behind the scenes,
by which reportedly the city solicitor ordered or forced or
they say she didn't force quote unquote force the signing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Of this complaint. We'll get Well that will.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Come out unfortunately, not not today or coming, but uh
probably years all right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well to that, that goes directly to a question to
a listener called me this morning talking about civil rights violation.
I was only viewing it from the perspective of is
there is there something that you can justify charging him with?
And I think the idea that we have a video
of him slapping another guy, as light and as insignificant
as that was, he did actually make physical contact. So
looking at it in isolation, not considering the totality of
(06:19):
the circumstances, I guess you can make a straight face
claim that he has justifiably been charged. But that doesn't
go to the nature of the civil rights claim that
you're talking about, does it?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No? No, would not no if this was racially motivated.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You know, the police officers, reportedly at least the detectives
who spent the hundreds of hours on this case, have
the breath of experience investigating all crimes basically said, there's
nothing here.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's, lack of a better word, it's trivial.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, maybe a physical contact was made, but whether it
was an assault really under the wall. Who knows, right,
But when you have you know, the city of officials
and may are in particular basically saying, you know, everyone
is going to be charged as he's got. You know,
a group of African Americans, you know, one in particular saying,
(07:06):
why do all the mop shots look like me? We're not.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's not gonna be any piece or not.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's gonna be racialized until you know they get more charges,
I e.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They are standing up. Yeah, I agree, I agree with him.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know we need to investigate this further and charge everyone.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And then what was happening again, what was happening internally?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The dynamics of the office at the city seems to
suggest it was more political and or racial motivation as
opposed to pure facts in the law.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, you'll be in court in a few minutes arguing
about this, I understand, Curt. I wish you all say.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, judge shot well hearing, the hearing on whether to
actually seal these files is coming up here at nine o'clock,
so I'm actually on my way into court right now
at lease still observe it and maybe to argue something.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'll look forward to hearing what the outcome is. Kurt Hartman,
I appreciate you breaking it down for our listeners of
me today. I always enjoy having you on the show.
And good luck with the case, my friend.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Thank you very much. Keep good posting.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'm glad you will a thirty six but five krc
DE talk station Todd Sledge since Ava is todd Sledge retiring.
I'm sad to hear that. We'll hear from Todd coming
up in the next segment and we'll meet his replacement,
Chris Klug and they have a couple of items to
talk about, what's going on in the VA, information for
my veteran friends in the audience, So I hope you
can stick around.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
This is fifty five karc an iHeartRadio station.
Quick chaneline weather beautiful lay Today sunny seventy four, overnight
clear forty nine, sunny seventy eight, Tomorrow overnight clear fifty
five and it's Sunday on Wednesday eighty three be the
high they right now, it's about forty six degrees time.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
For traffic from the UCU Traffic Center.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Addiction is a treatable medical disorder that affects both brain
and behavior. You see health addiction services can help. Call
five one three, five eighty five nine, seven to two
to two. There's a new accident in southbound seventy five
just before Cincinnati Dayton Road. Left two lanes are currently
blocked off. That's backing traffic up past Tylersville northbound seventy five. Right,
(00:37):
things blocked with an accident at glenn Dale Milford chuck
Ingramont fifty five k are and see the talk station.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hey twenty nine fifty gout kre CD talk station A
very happy Monday to you. Extra special. You get the
benefit of Attorney Kurt Hartman joining the program to talking
about his lawsuit he filed against the Clerk of Courts
Pavan Parik And as well as Emily Werner, highest ranking
attorney in the city and the City of Cincinnati. Welcome back, Kurt.
It's a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, Always good to be with you. All Right.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm staring at a picture of him. I know his name,
Alexander Tchrevinsky. He's the guy who slapped the black man
after being assaulted in downtown Cincinnati, leading to an epic
beat down. We're all familiar with. We all know what
happened to Holly who got knocked out and almost murdered
with that punch to the face. But let me start
with this one. How is it that Alexander Tchrevinsky, who's
(01:28):
got a lawyer who's made public a statement acknowledging who
the guy is, his identity and defended him in court.
How is it that alex Trevinsky again I said his
name out loud, is protected by Marcy's law.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Kurt Hartman, Uh, you ask a good question to which
I don't have an answer.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, it's kind of dumb.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's kind of dumbfounding what the City of Cincinnati is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, they file a criminal.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Case against somebody and then they basically say, we want
everything in this case sealed. We don't want the public
to have any access to any of the filings in
this case. And apparently when we're speculating, they're saying, well,
it's Marcy's law, we've got to keep him his identity
secret because he was the victim of a crime. Assuming
(02:15):
that that's what they're saying, you know, it's like it's
public knowledge, like you said, His attorney.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Even says, I don't want these records sealed.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You know, well, the only the only check really, you know,
one of the checks we as the citizen have on
our government in terms of criminal prosecutions is the ability
to see the court filings to be there in court.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Obviously, at least as of now, they're not closing the
court hearing. But you know, we, my client and you
know in the general public in the news media want
to see these files. The Clerk of Courts and saying, well,
there was a motion filed.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So we're not gonna let you see it.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
The Ohio Supreme Court has said, you know, one the
people have an interest there even in essence a party
to criminal proceedings. Therefore, they haven't what they said, unrestricted
right to access the files before, during, and after a
criminal case. Up until the moment it's actually been sealed
by core order.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There is no quarter.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There is no quarter. I want to make sure that
point was emphasized. If there was a court order, there
might be something to talk about here. But there isn't
a protective order in place yet, so they're still not
producing the documents I mean, which obviously seems to be
a violation of Ohio Lall right, there.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Absolutely, and that's why we absume both. You know, we
go to the Clerk of Courts and say, hey, we
want to see these files. We want copies of these files.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, we're not giving anything to you because there's a
motion to seal. I said, then, can I see the
motion to seal that you're relying on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, that's part of the court filings too.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, it's almost that they have to temper enter a
temporary motion or a temporary hold on the documents while
the litigation over putting this in place is litigated or something.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would think, yeah, you would think, but so as
you know, But but well, we have lawlessness.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, we have lawlessness on our streets when it comes
to the city of Cincinnati. We apparently have lawlessness in
the courts when it comes to the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, they've become a law unto themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, indeed. Well, I'm Kurt Hartman. I'm glad you're the
one representing the planet from this matter. He just happens
to be a guy withstanding, right, Eugene Utz Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Correct, correct, you.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I went down to the request on his behalf, both
to look at the rough files as well as to
get copies, so he has standing. He was denied the request,
and so we're now at the Ohio Supreme Court asking
them to order both the clerk, the City of Cincinnati
and emily warned the city solicitor whose office is prosecuting
of this individual?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, okay, maybe you can answer the question that's been
burning in my mind, Kurt Hartman. How is it because
the police did not want to cite Alexander Tchrevinsky. The
camon Keunty prosecutors said there wasn't something there to side
him with, and yet the city solicitor was able to
force the police department to issue a site of this
guy by what authorities?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's the solicitor?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Can they force the police to issue a citation that
they otherwise don't believe there was probable cause the issue?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You you asked a second good question this morning and
to which I really don't have an answer, So you
stumped me twice.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Br Huh is that? I think I think part of that.
You know, there's gonna be a civil rights lawsuit that
comes out of this, Okay, whether.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's for malicious prosecution, whether it's for racially motivated prosecution, uh,
you know, against the city.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I think when that comes, and that may be a year,
you know, years year or years down the road.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh, hopefully that comes to light and we can find
out really this whole dynamics that occurred behind the scenes,
by which reportedly the city solicitor ordered or forced or
they say she didn't force quote unquote force the signing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Of this complaint. We'll get Well that will.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Come out unfortunately, not not today or coming, but uh
probably years all right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well to that, that goes directly to a question to
a listener called me this morning talking about civil rights violation.
I was only viewing it from the perspective of is
there is there something that you can justify charging him with?
And I think the idea that we have a video
of him slapping another guy, as light and as insignificant
as that was, he did actually make physical contact. So
looking at it in isolation, not considering the totality of
(06:19):
the circumstances, I guess you can make a straight face
claim that he has justifiably been charged. But that doesn't
go to the nature of the civil rights claim that
you're talking about, does it?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No? No, would not no if this was racially motivated.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You know, the police officers, reportedly at least the detectives
who spent the hundreds of hours on this case, have
the breath of experience investigating all crimes basically said, there's
nothing here.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's, lack of a better word, it's trivial.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, maybe a physical contact was made, but whether it
was an assault really under the wall. Who knows, right,
But when you have you know, the city of officials
and may are in particular basically saying, you know, everyone
is going to be charged as he's got. You know,
a group of African Americans, you know, one in particular saying,
(07:06):
why do all the mop shots look like me? We're not.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's not gonna be any piece or not.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's gonna be racialized until you know they get more charges,
I e.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They are standing up. Yeah, I agree, I agree with him.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know we need to investigate this further and charge everyone.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And then what was happening again, what was happening internally?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The dynamics of the office at the city seems to
suggest it was more political and or racial motivation as
opposed to pure facts in the law.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, you'll be in court in a few minutes arguing
about this, I understand, Curt. I wish you all say.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, judge shot well hearing, the hearing on whether to
actually seal these files is coming up here at nine o'clock,
so I'm actually on my way into court right now
at lease still observe it and maybe to argue something.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'll look forward to hearing what the outcome is. Kurt Hartman,
I appreciate you breaking it down for our listeners of
me today. I always enjoy having you on the show.
And good luck with the case, my friend.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Thank you very much. Keep good posting.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'm glad you will a thirty six but five krc
DE talk station Todd Sledge since Ava is todd Sledge retiring.
I'm sad to hear that. We'll hear from Todd coming
up in the next segment and we'll meet his replacement,
Chris Klug and they have a couple of items to
talk about, what's going on in the VA, information for
my veteran friends in the audience, So I hope you
can stick around.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
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