Dan Hils - HAMCO Police Chiefs ask for judicial reform

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Seven oh six.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Bryan Thomas fishing everyone a happy, happy Tuesday, and welcoming
back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show former FOP
President Dan Hills, who's with Frontline Advisors now to chime
in on the Hamilton County police chiefs looking for some
reform and the judicial practices here in Hamilton County. Welcome back,
Dan Hill's always a pleasure having you on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brian has been far too long, my friends. I think
you are well.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
You're with Frontline Advocates. Remind my listeners what you've been
up to since you stepped down as FOP president.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I do work part time for a local department,
but I don't I don't think they want any part
of my politics, so to speak. But I work. I
do what we call auxiliary work in hamm County, they
call special deputies. But I do a lot of it's
it's a more it's more like security than it is

(01:07):
UH of police work. I uh watch over a lot
of synagogues and I might give away the community, but
they'll do that Hebrew school stuff like that. But I
work uh frontline advisors. I work alongside attorneys that that
represent police unions like Middletown, Fairfield, Mason and also Corrections

(01:34):
Union Speller County, hamm County Corrections as well. So I'm
doing a little bit of the same stuff I did
as the FOP president. I'll represent at the predisciplinary hearings
and things of that nature, other other meetings with maybe
if they're being investigated, or sit down with the chief
or assistant chief about the stuff. So I handle things

(01:56):
that don't necessarily need an attorney.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So fair enough, like an expert opinion. Having experienced this
from the perspective a law enforcement officer and former union leader,
get all that all right? Well, in your capacity is
a former law enforcement officer and union leader for the
insint Police Department, what's your reaction? I understand the Hamilton
County police chiefs got together the other day to try

(02:19):
to figure out what's going on and try to come
up with a solution, and they're going to call in
a roundtable within the month judges, magistrates, prosecutors, elected officials
to talk about this. They seem to have concluded the
problem lies with the judicial branch here in Hamilton County
that you can have tough on law enforcement police officers
doing their job and arresting bad guys for committing crimes.

(02:39):
You can take them to County Pillot in the prosecutor's office,
and she can have all the evidence in the world
and present it and make bond recommendations and sentencing recommendations.
But it's ultimately up to the judge to conclude how
much the bond's going to be and what the sentence
is going to be. And we have a lot of judges,
notably like Judge Samantha Silverstein, who doesn't really believe in
bonds and lets people out on their own recognizance otherwise
doesn't sentence people harshly for even crimes involving guns. There's

(03:03):
nothing we can really do about that, is there? We
need to vote better in the elections. I mean, we're
kind of have our hands tied, don't we.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Dan We do, but you kind of covered what the
letter says. What I can do is a little deeper
dive into what it is they're doing. It's first off,
this is a group that goes out of its way.
It prides itself on being a political They are not.
They don't have ours or d's next to their name.

(03:31):
They don't jump in and try to promote one party
over another. They want to stay out of politics. They're
simply about enforcing the law and serving they're public. Because
each and every one of these police chiefs, however many
there are in hamiletegam And, I think the number somewhere
around forty, each and every one of them has a

(03:53):
community that they're responsible for. It's their community. It doesn't
matter if Cincinnati, if it is Dell High, if it's Madeira,
they all have a community that they are responsible for.
And they're seeing that they cannot properly protect their community
because of this weak link in the justice system. Their

(04:15):
cops are going out there, they're locking up the bad guys,
they're catching the bad guys, they're bringing them before the prosecutor.
The prosecutor, like you said, is prosecuting, and all of
a sudden, you know, over just the last handful of years,
you have judges that are just completely dropping the ball,
not only with sentencing but with bonds. And so if

(04:38):
bad guys violent bad guys. We're not talking about petty
theft suspects or disorderly conducts up there. We're talking about
aggravated robberies, flown the assaults that these people are are
walking in and walking out the door. It means that
the people in their community. And again this is this
is anywhere in ham To County you are being affected

(05:00):
by this. You can you can live in a small village,
a township, the city itself. You all are being affected
by the fact that there are judges that just don't
see the criminal process as it's been seen for decades before.
And that's where the chiefs are getting together and saying,

(05:21):
we know that some people are don't say that we're
jumping into the politics. That's not what we're trying to do.
We're trying to we're trying to set off you know
a lot of the warnings signals saying that folks are
not going to be safe if we continue down this path.
So you talked about the within thirty days is what
the letter says. They're going to have this round table
discussion and they're going to invite the judges and the

(05:43):
prosecutors and they'll make sure they buy it in by
judges from both sides of the political side, of both
both sides of the politics, and the prosecutors, and they're
they're going to talk about this and how it's affecting
their communities, and they they want answers, they want more
transparent parancy. It's like, what do you use your honor

(06:03):
to decide a bail? Do you have data? Do you
do you always give you know, a higher bail if
a B and C you know, pass sentencing repeat repeat offenders,
because that's when you know, that's where when you really
should you know, start to get the message that maybe
this person is going to be found guilty of what
it is they arrested for because they've been found guilty

(06:26):
of it three more three other times. Maybe there there
is a resistance, uh to to be civilized and uh
and follow the laws of the state and and and
the wishes of the community. And so this is when
the bonds should be rising, and this is when the
sentencing should be stronger. But what are you using your

(06:48):
honor in your assessment, in your decision making to to
to come up with a proper sentence in this in
this case or these case. And that's that that's what
they're there. They're they're also looking up for their cops
still not only their system, but they're looking out for
their cops because their copts are going out there risking
their lives uh and and busting their rears and and

(07:13):
coming up with in the end UH no worthwhile result
because within within hours, day days at the most, they're
walking out on a on a low or no bond,
and then when it comes time around for them to
get in the sentenced, they're they're sentenced the next to nothing.
So they see the frustration in their officers. They're concerned
for their their their safety, and concern for their morale

(07:38):
and but ultimately they're there to serve the citizens. And
this is the trying our deciszens by by calling this meeting,
well call the round table, calling the meeting.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
And I suppose who actually chooses to show up or
not will be indicative of how much they care about
the issue or not. I mean, I can't imagine in
spite of getting a direct invitation that Judge Samantha Silverstein,
who apparently has been earmarked or identified as one of
the weakest judges when it comes to bond and sentencing.
I doubt she's going to show up. And if she does,
she'lld just regurgitate what the general sentencing guidelines are and

(08:09):
say I work within those and it's entirely up to them.
It's in the judge's discretion on how much bond should be,
her sentencing should be. So in the final analysis, we
have a record which shows what the bonds and sentencings are,
and we have a judge who would parrot what the
sentencing guidelines suggests she should take into consideration. But in
the final analysis it ends up being a slap on
the risk. That's what we've got. So the sheriffs are

(08:31):
serving a valuable purpose in shining a light on where
the failure is, and that's the judicial branch. No one's
pointing a finger at Connie Pillot's for not prosecuting. No
one's pointing a finger at the police for not arresting people.
They're pointing a finger and shining a light for the
world to see that it's the judicial branch. So I
think it's a helpful exercise, even though I really don't

(08:52):
think it's going to bear fruit.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Dan, Well, you know, I guess the hope is either
enough pressure changes the way they're doing things a little bit.
For if not, you said in the beginning, you said
in the beginning, it's going to be up to the
to the voters to do something about it. Now I
like I said, I went out of my way to

(09:13):
express how they're going out of their way to be
you know, apolitical, right, But when it all, when it
all comes down to it, you cannot deny that at
some point it has to go back to the voters
and if they see that, you know, one side or
the other or specific folks within the judiciary are the

(09:34):
ones that are making us unsafe again in every community
in Hamilton County probably is on the counties nearby, because
you're you're you're releasing these you know, vicious criminals back
into society. Then then hopefully there is there is some
some folks that remember in in the U in the

(09:55):
time of the election. So and I'm sure and I'm
sure the the the opposing judges who want these these
weak judges for lack of a better term, out of
out of their terms will we'll we'll probably speak of
this and and and bring up more points. But it
just it has to be something the voters have to realize.

(10:18):
It's so so important. Amen have to have judges that
are that are going to protect.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Community running you know that that shouldn't be a political strife.
I mean, running tough on crime. That's the benefit the
entire community, a community that I presume these judges live
in themselves. Dan Hill's pause, I want to bring you
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
Fifty five KOCD talk station Happy Tuesday, Ron Thomas with
former FOP Presidents of the City of Cincinnati Dan Hills
on the program. You know, Dan, I had a current
president Ken Cover run yesterday circulating a petition The FOP
is to try to get Iris Rawley removed from her
paid consultant position because Iris is out interfering with the
police officer's enforcement of the law, and they've got her

(13:27):
on video doing it. A couple of times a citable offense.
Apparently it is. But the police officer who was engaged
the other day did a really great job of de
escalating and telling Iris to back off, and Iris wasn't
given a citation. But she's been at this for a
while and talking about berating police, and you have familiarity
with Iris. Were only going back to the collaborative agreement

(13:47):
when she was originally involved and kind of came to
the focus in the city of Cincinnati. What's your take
on this? And let me interject sign the petition folks,
since he with hy Cincypolice dot com. We're almost at
the goal of five thousand signature. So Dan, what's your
take on Iris and what's going on?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Iris and her activy pre dates even maya time in
office with the FOP, the Black United Front. You know,
it goes all the way back I believe to the
two thousand and one riots. Yeah, when the city started
to make deals. To be blunt, I believe that they
she has some sort of key to riot prevention and

(14:29):
unfortunately you know that, it seems, and that's why I
was actually hoping you would talk to me about a
little bit. Is that that meeting that Damon Lynch had
about basically put somebody white in jail, is what.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
The thea was that was kind of indirectly accused of
the Prosecutor's office of racism, I think because they've indicted
now seven suspects for their involvement of that June twenty
or July twenty six feet down. But the guy who
slapped the other guy in the face has not been indicted,
but they were calling on him to be in a
charged with UH A violation of of inciting a riot.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, listen, it's just I'll go ahead Brown.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, I mean, does anybody's right minds think that he
incited a riot by slapping another guy? I mean, does
he Can you reasonably anticipate that that kind of chaos
was going to unfold from a slap? I mean, that's
what That's why, that's why I went viral.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's why I said, that's the the insanity that UH
gets bought into is that we we've got to do
things that are not just to to avoid a riot,
because that's that's what it seems like a lot of
the politics when dealing with anything around the African American
community in Cincinnati. They they will appease and including hiring

(15:52):
somebody by Kirishroley who back. I had a video of
her going on, uh calling all these police shootings that
had happened around the two thousand and one perer slightly
before it, because remember the police intervention shooting Timothy Thomas
was one of the triggers of the run. But calling

(16:12):
those murders. So here you have somebody that's calling cops murderers,
interfering with them, like you pointed out on that stop,
the officer had made going out of their way to
cause trouble for the police, and we're painting her, so
you're talking about counterproductive. It's just absolutely crazy. I could
get back an arbitration case I had involving a police

(16:35):
officer I think most of you will remember this that
used the N word when she was in the car
by herself and named Joe Mawory if he's still the
l EP president. He came to an arbitration case where
she was trying to win her job back and basically
told the arbiter that, well, if she gets her job back,

(17:00):
you know there's going to be a reaction or something.
You know, carefully worded it, but I took it to
mean promising uh unrest or even you know, we can
use the R world right if there's going And so
that's what I saw, was this meaning that's what I
see with Iris the press conference, I should should talk about.

(17:21):
That's what I'm trying to talk about. I mean it,
it's two costs there they know better. But this white
guy is so every I knows the slap herd around
the world, as I called it the social media was
after these folks are already been attacked, and that Damon
Lynch is trying to screw everybody up on the sequence

(17:42):
and and and for the slap herd around the world
wasn't even a slap, it was a touch. And he
was trying to articulate his look, if you don't back off,
I can I can, I can touch you too. That
the guy was simply trying to protect himself and protect
his friends, and they are doing everything they can to
getting locked up up. It's it's well, I don't every

(18:03):
time I get I'll never see anything crazier in this.
I see something like this, because this this is just
this is just crazy. And I know there are pressures
coming down towards the investigators to uh they're being shielded
pretty well from what I understand. But to try to
get them to charge this white guy who every every

(18:25):
cop that's anywhere near this case knows that he didn't
do anything credible whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
The elements of the crime are not there, inciting right
there elements. There's not a crime there at best. Wouldn't
you say, like simple assault, one guy hitting another guy.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Ergo, you might get arrested for punching a guy or
slapping a guy in the face, but that will be
the extent of it, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Again, it's not there, and there was no attempt to
do physical harm. And and look, Brian, if you and
you and Joe start punching me out, I have a
right to do something back, to try to protect myself.
And so that's not an assault, that's that's self defense,
self defense. Yes, And so, like I said, the insanity,

(19:11):
you had to get two cops, uh, the counsel of
the state rep Cecil Thomas, and you had a counselman
Scottie Johnson there you had. It almost sounds like a
It sounds like a joke, like these people all are
going you have a pastor two cops and a former
judge walk into a bar along with a few politicians

(19:31):
or something, and they go in there, and then and
then they're calling for this white dude, the white slapper
dude called him in social media. They want him arrested
on simply trying to defend himself. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well that's the alement people leave out now. It's amazing
how twisted things get. Dan Hill, thank you so much
of the time you spent my listeners with me today.
I appreciate your thoughts and insights. We'll have you back
on real soon. I hope. Take care of my.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
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Speaker 1 (19:58):
Thanks brother Steve Gooden talk about well, violence in the
uh Neighborhood's why he's running for since a city council
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