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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Ay thirty if aty five KRCD Talk station. Always look
forward to the time of the week because we get
to talk to Daniel Davis doing the Daniel Davis Deep
Dive with retired Lieutenant colonel of course, Daniel Davis, Welcome back,
my friend. It's always a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Always good to see you, Brian, good morning. Always had
a conversation. Though global conflict is the subject matter we
go over with Daniel Davis every week, and as we
have been for quite a few months. Now, let's start
with We're going to move over to talk about Israel
and Gaza, but let's start with Russia.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And I don't know. My perception of the news of
late is that Vladi Putin's really just not interested in
settling this thing and he's just going to continue to
wage war and take over more and more of Ukraine.
If I got that just sort of summed up well enough.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, that's not a change. Though the Russians have been saying,
especially since Trump was inaugurated, that they're willing to make
a deal, but the terms are very draconian, very hard,
and they have said unambiguously in the open, not in
back diplomatic channels that either they'll get this on they'll
achieve their security objectives on the negotiating table or on
(02:04):
the battlefield. I actually had the deputy Russian UN ambassador
on my show last week and I point blank ask
him that, I said, if you don't get it, will
you keep fighting? And he almost dismissed and said, well,
we've never said anything besides that, So yes, that's the case.
And now then we see it playing out on the
battlefield and Russia, from what I can observe along the
entire front line, Russia is making preparations now as though
(02:27):
there won't be any negotiated settlement and they'll continue on forward.
And the moves are not good from the Ukraine side,
and don't pretend well, which should signal that they need
to finally just suck down their pride and make a
negotiated deal on bad terms, because right now it's either
bad terms or no terms at all, and except for
terms of surrender.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, that's my perception of the events going on. And
didn't I read the other day that Ukraine launched into
Russian territory a strike and is my recollection that wrong?
That they're still firing off drones or whatever into Russian territory.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Brian that was last not again, Okay, I did consecutive notes.
They have fired into into Moscow in attempt to disrupt
putens may not celebration. Zelensky has openly said, I can't
guarantee anybody's safety who's attending that parade, So it's continuing
to go.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, zero military benefit, none, that's I don't even think
that can have a psychological benefit other than to rile
the Russians up even further, to want to run the
Ukrainians out of the out of existence. That just and
it has no military benefit to the Ukrainians. If they've
got any missiles left, shouldn't they be lobbing them at
the Russian front?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Listen, I just got to tell you there is an
opening in the White House for National Security advisor and
you should apply. So you've got it spot on. That
is exactly right. There's no military value, not even especially
not tactical. But only thing that can if they succeed
at this, especially if they do anything to disrupt the
actual ceremony itself on the not is to enrage the
questions and make them drive even harder. So yes, you're
(04:04):
spot on.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I you know, terrorist attacks is one of the reasons
we end up in the Middle East for a decade plus, right,
you know, you enrage a society of people, they are
going to stand up and rise up and go after you.
So again, I don't understand what the hell's going on
in Zelensky's mind, but then again, I don't know that
anybody does. So if it's gonna settle, it's gonna resolve,
it's gonna have to be Ukraine putting its you know,
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have to suck it up, give up some territory in
order to get some peace and end the slaughter of
their civilians, because there's no way they can win this war.
I think we've ended up at this place previously. Daiel
this right, I hate to laugh about it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
There's there's no rational way to end in a different place.
But as you said, Zelensky resumed today he was he
was in the Czech Republic today signing some documents and
still saying I was watching the press conference just before
we came on the air here and and he's talking
likely that it's still a decision that could go either way,
and we just need few more artillery shells and thanks
(05:01):
for this support here and all this no possibility, no
hint that he's going to do anything differently, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Real quick before we pivot over to Israel and Kaza.
This minerals deal that we signed with Ukraine, that sounds
to me like it's going to establish an American footprint
by way of putting American business interest in there in
order to do extraction work, which provides a mechanism for
us to have to stand up and defend American interest
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in a foreign country. I don't know if that's a
positive development, Daniel Davis, your thoughts, Well, that.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
First of all implies that some company is going to
be willing to put their people in harm's way. It's
also assumes that there's gonna be a Ukraine controlled area
to do these minerals distraction, and it implies that there's
gonna be billions of dollars and that's a bee or
at least hundreds of millions in infrastructure development, and that
will take multiple years. So this is something that's kind
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of a head scratcher to me because it has no
near term impact one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
All right, fair enough, pivoting over to Gaza, a couple
of headlines in front of the Israel prepares Operation Gideon's
Chariots to take over Gaza, clear Jamas over to ms
or MSN. Israel plans to occupy and flatten all of
Gaza if no deal by Trump trip they got, I
guess they claim they have enough resolve and enough resources
(06:21):
to just, I don't know, wipe out whatever exists in
Gaza and start from scratch. Daniel Davis, listen, I've been
saying this, and I know some of your viewers don't
like it. Since this we started talking about this many
many months ago, Israel has choosing to use military means
to try and achieve the unattainable. You're not gonna kill
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your way to victory here, And I mean, what have
they not done over nineteen months that suddenly they're gonna
start doing now and get a different outcome you have?
I mean, the entire population is completely stoke. They have
no other alternatives. They can't even quote surrender, this idea
that they should voluntarily go somewhere else. Only there's nowhere
else to take them, so they can't go anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So then what are you going to do? And every
time you kill somebody that's not a Hamas person. In
all these attacks, you raise up more every time you
do kill somebody. There's no shortage of men that's going
to continue on the with the resistance. How could it
be any other way? So I truly don't understand what
their objective is here.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, and I've read in a couple of different places
this would require the moving I guess essentially evacuating more
like two million people.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And to where that's exactly right? Where can they go
in the God's drip? Because is you just read there
they're looking to demolish everything. There's nowhere left to go.
I mean you, they're basically on an existence right now.
And by the way, all the food ad has been
cut off for weeks now, and there many people are
at risk of genuine starvation and some have already succumbed.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I don't think it's a terrible situation. It is,
but it's been a terrible situation, got it for a
long time. But all the photographs that I see, and
I recognize they're only going to show the worst of
the worst. But I just kind of scratch my head
wondering what's left by way of infrastructure in Gaza that
that can be destroyed.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, I mean yeah, and you see, it's not just
that they're showing the worst of the worst. That's all
there is to see. There is only the worst of
the worst. And yeah, there's like shelves of buildings some places,
and skeletons of buildings. Then those are also being demolished
until there is literally it's being raised to the ground.
And I don't see any military utility in this. I
don't see any political utility in this. It just looks
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like they're just destroying the ability of these people to live.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And then they'll have to keep an occupying force in
Gaza in order to maintain whatever definitely order that they
hope to achieve.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, even if they succeed tactically, and I don't know,
they just say, yes, we've done this, so we've conquered it.
Now what Because you've got two million people there with
no place to live, you have to occupy it. And
what are you gonna what's your army gonna do perpetually
stay there? I mean, what's the end state here? What
is the end objective? I just don't see anything that's good. No,
(09:01):
And you know, if you if you continue to occupy it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I don't know how. I mean, if you have two
million folks living in Gaza that they call it their home,
among them obviously people with a tremendous amount of hatred
for Israel and the occupying forces that would have to
remain there, you're setting yourself up for a whole lot
of pot shots and sniper fire and IEDs. I mean,
(09:24):
a perpetual battle from behind the scenes with an unorganized
military against the occupying forces. I mean, that's that's what
you're you're asking for. I mean, that's and we've seen
this in history.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
We certainly saw a lot with the Partisans against the
Germans in France, with the Partisans against the Germans, and Yugoslavia,
for example, just a horrible, horrible years long blood of
time Ukraine actually during during the occupation portion of World
War Two. It was always that way, was always bad,
and the population has no other alternative, right, It's not
like you can pacify them. That's all they have. So
(09:59):
you're they're signing yourself up for that kind of an
existence again with no discernible in state. That's positive for
the Israel side.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I don't understand it. Daniel Davis Steep dive. You can
find a podcast online, just search for it. We'll look
forward to having him back on the program next Tuesday
for another exciting conversation. Take care of my dear friend.
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