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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ay twenty nine, Happy Tuesday. If if you have KCD talk station,
it is that time of week. We do a deep
Dive with Daniel Davis. Find them online where your podcasts
are found, The Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Retired Lieutenant Colonel
Daniel Davis, It's always great having you on my program sir.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And it's always great to be here. All right.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So Europeans finally stepping up and maybe wanting to engage
in the process involving the war between Russian and Ukraine.
I get this sense that up to this point they
sort of kind of been sitting on the sidelines. I know,
we have been the dominant resource for Ukrainian military in
terms of aid, and you, as I have gone over
(00:39):
this many times before, it doesn't seem like it's really
stopping Russian incursion and the Ukrainians seem to be losing
the battle. So now that Trump's working directly with Vladimir
Putin trying to negotiate some sort of peace resolution, the
European Union is now stepping up to the plate in
some way. What's the story, backstory or otherwise on this one,
Daniel Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, you know, I think it's not some that they're
stepping up is that they have been very content to
let the Body administration in the United States, through the
Biden administration, take all of the lead because then Biden
and the European Union were all in lockstep. Everybody agreed
that Russia has to lose, that Ukraine has to win,
and we're going to just give them all of our stuff,
(01:19):
at least in dribs and drabs, just to perpetuate the war,
to keep it going, because anything to keep Russia from winning.
Now in here comes Donald Trump, and suddenly the United
States is taking about a forty five degree angle course change,
and the rest of Europe is still on the previous course,
and they don't like it very much at all, and
they want to try to pull Trump back onto it.
(01:40):
So in one hand, they're taking the lead only because
they're trying to go back to where they were before.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
They don't want to change.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So you have really some strange comments coming out of
uk where you have Kier Starmer, the Prime Minister, saying
that they want to put troops into Ukraine as part
of any kind of a deal that they want to
keep this thing going. You have the the Polish Foreign
Minister it's just we cannot stop this war.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We have to keep going, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Meanwhile, you have, and this is out just hours ago,
you have senior Trump and Putin officials meeting in in Ryod.
Right now in Saudi Arabia, you have the you're the
Lavrov and some other key Russian leaders are saying the
same thing. Trump is saying that this has to be
negotiated between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Everybody else can
(02:29):
figure out what's gonna happen later. And they specified that
the UK and EU they specified them by name, cannot
be part of this because they are wholly bent on
preparing for war with Russia. Zelensky can't be a part
of it because he won't acknowledge reality.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Only the US and Russia.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And so that's making Ukraine, the European Union and others unhappy.
But so far Russia and US seem to be driving
the train. Okay, let me just pose a question here.
I mean my entire life, Daniel, as I've been watching,
you know, conflicts around the world, peace in the Middle East,
and how long you've been here for that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Every new administration since my birth has engaged in peace
in the Middle East? Now, why is it always the
United States' responsibility to endeavor to negotiate peace in war
torn areas? Okay, So with that sort of background thought
in mind, what would happen if we just said, you
know what, we're gonna wash our hands of this European Union.
(03:28):
You think you got it right, knock yourselves out. Well,
we seem to be moving in that direction.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And in fact, you had at this Munich security conference
last week, you had Zelenski himself was point blank ask
can the you continue to fight without the support from
the United States? What would happen if you lost it?
And he said, we'd lose the war. We couldn't fight
without it, we couldn't continue on without it. So that
tells you right there that there is the cognition on
(03:56):
the Ukraine side that hey, without the United States, this
is not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Going to work.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You had Keir Starmer last not tell it, go on
a national television between in his country and say that
the European Union is ready to step up with troops
for to you know, support it, seasfire and all this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But it can't work, no security.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Guarantees without the United states, it is essential that the US.
So it's not even US trying to impose ourself on
people now, it's Trump trying to extricate ourselves. And I
guess because of all of the decades you're talking about
where that's been the case, they don't want to be
able to go it alone. But here's the thing that
none of these people in the European Union anyway seem
willing to acknowledge that they're not the Ukraine side, and
(04:37):
European Union don't have the capacity for Ukraine to do
anything except lose more slowly, right, Okay, And I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Was just gonna say that. I mean, this is shining
a light on the lack of preparedness among all the
European Union countries are NATO allies. I saw a figure
the other day. Germany only has what one hundred and
fifty thousand people in its military or something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, and they have no military hardware equipment anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They can't not only can they I guess, not afford
to give away supplies, but even if they embrace the
concept of trying to support a militarily, they've got nothing
to draw from.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, and uk is not much different.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think it's one hundred and eighty six thousand, if
I'm not mistaken, the entire active armed forces, that's not
just the fighters. I think that there you might can
get two combat divisions out of the entire UK military.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Two divisions. That's a drop in the bucket when you're
talking about a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
European wide war and they're talking about possibly ten to
twenty five thousand UK soldiers to be patrolling this mythical
seasfire line, which I don't think Russia will ever agree to,
so I think that's a dead on arrival conversation anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But he's talking about signific.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Shifting a significant portion of his combat forces to just
be standing in the middle between two fighting forces, which
is just really strange to me.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, I was thinking about our prior conversations and this
veiled threat that, oh my god, if Russia, you know,
ends up winning and taking over Ukraine, it's somehow some
existential threat to our NATO allies of the European Union.
And you and I have talked about this before and
said there's no way Russia can wage that kind of war.
But with the backdrop of these very paltry, underfunded and
(06:21):
small supplied military forces.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't know, maybe maybe it is a legitimate Do
you think two things are important? Right now?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Russia is signaling that their conditions are and they've reiterated
this from the June fourteenth line last summer. They're saying
today that it's the four oblosts, the Zepparisia, Luhans, Donsk
and Kirshn, the demilitarization of Ukraine, and that has yet
to be deciphered. And then and negotiation are a deal
(06:51):
signed with a new Ukrainian leader who has passed an election.
It is legitimate to be able to author a sign
That's what they're calling for. They're not saying that we
want to go somewhere else and we want to attack
something else. If Trump is able to agree to that,
that's the end of it right there. That leaves the
European Union everybody else free to provide their own national security, which,
(07:12):
by the way, Secretary of Defense Hexcess said, you guys
ought to focus on Article three of the Natal Charter,
which says every nation is required to provide its own
national security.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right. So Trump is moving in that direction, and I
really applaud that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, I guess and I half jokingly bring this up
because I have a feeling you probably agree with me
that the United Nations is probably the most corrupt and
incompetent entity on the planet. I may be overstating a
little bit, but aren't there you in peacekeeping forces?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And why do they always seem.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To be suspiciously absent in major conflicts? Daniel, Yeah, No,
I mean, of course there are no quote you in peacekeepers.
I know, they're just soldiers from other countries that wear
a blue helmet. And of course they're powerless because they're
only there for peacekeepers, which by definition means that there
has been a peace agreement reached and the two sides
(08:03):
have agreed that that's what's going to happen, and then
they just sit in the middle to try to make
it harder for one side or the other to break it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Obviously, Russia is not even contemplating that. In fact, they
said there will be no peacekeepers. That's part of what
they define is the demilitarization of Ukraine, not the remilitarization
by bringing Western military forces into the conflict.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So they're never going to agree to it. And Russia
has said.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
If there's troops come in that are that we don't
agree to under the EUN auspices. Interestingly enough, then we'll
consider them enemy combatants. Now we don't care what nationality are,
and we'll fight them. And you had Hexcess say, if
y'all do that, Europe, there's no Article five here and
there won't be any American troops as well. So that's
going to give an appetite suppression to Europe, I think.
(08:48):
But I'll just tell you, Brian, overall, I think that
this is just the death throws of the way things
have always been in Europe, not realizing that there's you know,
a new force in a America coming in, going in
a different direction, but they're gonna have to come in
line because they don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To do what they want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I just wonder how much of this is being
driven by the UH military industrial complex. You know, there's
a lot of people with powerful interests and a lot
of money feeding the fuel fuel for the fire, and
as long as that more continues to rage, then you
know who's going to be making money off of it,
Which is a really sorry thing to contemplate. Lots of
(09:27):
unpack on that one, Daniel Davis, but I sure appreciate
your insight and your thoughts on it, and I'll always say,
as I always do, look forward to another discussion with
you in another deep dive next Tuesday at eight thirty.
Between now and then, best to health, my friend, see
you then, looking forward to it. It's a thirty nine
to fifty five KRC the talk station. Stick around. We
got a little more to talk about and you can call.
(09:47):
Got some time phone calls five one, three, seven, four nine,
fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two three talk
go with pound five fifty on AT and T phones.
Maybe you got a different take on things. Love to
hear from you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This is fifty five KARC and Iheartradios. Have you taken
your family to dinner recently
Ay twenty nine, Happy Tuesday. If if you have KCD talk station,
it is that time of week. We do a deep
Dive with Daniel Davis. Find them online where your podcasts
are found, The Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Retired Lieutenant Colonel
Daniel Davis, It's always great having you on my program sir.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And it's always great to be here. All right.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So Europeans finally stepping up and maybe wanting to engage
in the process involving the war between Russian and Ukraine.
I get this sense that up to this point they
sort of kind of been sitting on the sidelines. I know,
we have been the dominant resource for Ukrainian military in
terms of aid, and you, as I have gone over
(00:39):
this many times before, it doesn't seem like it's really
stopping Russian incursion and the Ukrainians seem to be losing
the battle. So now that Trump's working directly with Vladimir
Putin trying to negotiate some sort of peace resolution, the
European Union is now stepping up to the plate in
some way. What's the story, backstory or otherwise on this one,
Daniel Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, you know, I think it's not some that they're
stepping up is that they have been very content to
let the Body administration in the United States, through the
Biden administration, take all of the lead because then Biden
and the European Union were all in lockstep. Everybody agreed
that Russia has to lose, that Ukraine has to win,
and we're going to just give them all of our stuff,
(01:19):
at least in dribs and drabs, just to perpetuate the war,
to keep it going, because anything to keep Russia from winning.
Now in here comes Donald Trump, and suddenly the United
States is taking about a forty five degree angle course change,
and the rest of Europe is still on the previous course,
and they don't like it very much at all, and
they want to try to pull Trump back onto it.
(01:40):
So in one hand, they're taking the lead only because
they're trying to go back to where they were before.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
They don't want to change.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So you have really some strange comments coming out of
uk where you have Kier Starmer, the Prime Minister, saying
that they want to put troops into Ukraine as part
of any kind of a deal that they want to
keep this thing going. You have the the Polish Foreign
Minister it's just we cannot stop this war.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We have to keep going, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Meanwhile, you have, and this is out just hours ago,
you have senior Trump and Putin officials meeting in in Ryod.
Right now in Saudi Arabia, you have the you're the
Lavrov and some other key Russian leaders are saying the
same thing. Trump is saying that this has to be
negotiated between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Everybody else can
(02:29):
figure out what's gonna happen later. And they specified that
the UK and EU they specified them by name, cannot
be part of this because they are wholly bent on
preparing for war with Russia. Zelensky can't be a part
of it because he won't acknowledge reality.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Only the US and Russia.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And so that's making Ukraine, the European Union and others unhappy.
But so far Russia and US seem to be driving
the train. Okay, let me just pose a question here.
I mean my entire life, Daniel, as I've been watching,
you know, conflicts around the world, peace in the Middle East,
and how long you've been here for that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Every new administration since my birth has engaged in peace
in the Middle East? Now, why is it always the
United States' responsibility to endeavor to negotiate peace in war
torn areas? Okay, So with that sort of background thought
in mind, what would happen if we just said, you
know what, we're gonna wash our hands of this European Union.
(03:28):
You think you got it right, knock yourselves out. Well,
we seem to be moving in that direction.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And in fact, you had at this Munich security conference
last week, you had Zelenski himself was point blank ask
can the you continue to fight without the support from
the United States? What would happen if you lost it?
And he said, we'd lose the war. We couldn't fight
without it, we couldn't continue on without it. So that
tells you right there that there is the cognition on
(03:56):
the Ukraine side that hey, without the United States, this
is not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Going to work.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You had Keir Starmer last not tell it, go on
a national television between in his country and say that
the European Union is ready to step up with troops
for to you know, support it, seasfire and all this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But it can't work, no security.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Guarantees without the United states, it is essential that the US.
So it's not even US trying to impose ourself on
people now, it's Trump trying to extricate ourselves. And I
guess because of all of the decades you're talking about
where that's been the case, they don't want to be
able to go it alone. But here's the thing that
none of these people in the European Union anyway seem
willing to acknowledge that they're not the Ukraine side, and
(04:37):
European Union don't have the capacity for Ukraine to do
anything except lose more slowly, right, Okay, And I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Was just gonna say that. I mean, this is shining
a light on the lack of preparedness among all the
European Union countries are NATO allies. I saw a figure
the other day. Germany only has what one hundred and
fifty thousand people in its military or something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, and they have no military hardware equipment anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They can't not only can they I guess, not afford
to give away supplies, but even if they embrace the
concept of trying to support a militarily, they've got nothing
to draw from.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, and uk is not much different.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think it's one hundred and eighty six thousand, if
I'm not mistaken, the entire active armed forces, that's not
just the fighters. I think that there you might can
get two combat divisions out of the entire UK military.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Two divisions. That's a drop in the bucket when you're
talking about a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
European wide war and they're talking about possibly ten to
twenty five thousand UK soldiers to be patrolling this mythical
seasfire line, which I don't think Russia will ever agree to,
so I think that's a dead on arrival conversation anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But he's talking about signific.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Shifting a significant portion of his combat forces to just
be standing in the middle between two fighting forces, which
is just really strange to me.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, I was thinking about our prior conversations and this
veiled threat that, oh my god, if Russia, you know,
ends up winning and taking over Ukraine, it's somehow some
existential threat to our NATO allies of the European Union.
And you and I have talked about this before and
said there's no way Russia can wage that kind of war.
But with the backdrop of these very paltry, underfunded and
(06:21):
small supplied military forces.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't know, maybe maybe it is a legitimate Do
you think two things are important? Right now?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Russia is signaling that their conditions are and they've reiterated
this from the June fourteenth line last summer. They're saying
today that it's the four oblosts, the Zepparisia, Luhans, Donsk
and Kirshn, the demilitarization of Ukraine, and that has yet
to be deciphered. And then and negotiation are a deal
(06:51):
signed with a new Ukrainian leader who has passed an election.
It is legitimate to be able to author a sign
That's what they're calling for. They're not saying that we
want to go somewhere else and we want to attack
something else. If Trump is able to agree to that,
that's the end of it right there. That leaves the
European Union everybody else free to provide their own national security, which,
(07:12):
by the way, Secretary of Defense Hexcess said, you guys
ought to focus on Article three of the Natal Charter,
which says every nation is required to provide its own
national security.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right. So Trump is moving in that direction, and I
really applaud that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, I guess and I half jokingly bring this up
because I have a feeling you probably agree with me
that the United Nations is probably the most corrupt and
incompetent entity on the planet. I may be overstating a
little bit, but aren't there you in peacekeeping forces?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And why do they always seem.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To be suspiciously absent in major conflicts? Daniel, Yeah, No,
I mean, of course there are no quote you in peacekeepers.
I know, they're just soldiers from other countries that wear
a blue helmet. And of course they're powerless because they're
only there for peacekeepers, which by definition means that there
has been a peace agreement reached and the two sides
(08:03):
have agreed that that's what's going to happen, and then
they just sit in the middle to try to make
it harder for one side or the other to break it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Obviously, Russia is not even contemplating that. In fact, they
said there will be no peacekeepers. That's part of what
they define is the demilitarization of Ukraine, not the remilitarization
by bringing Western military forces into the conflict.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So they're never going to agree to it. And Russia
has said.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
If there's troops come in that are that we don't
agree to under the EUN auspices. Interestingly enough, then we'll
consider them enemy combatants. Now we don't care what nationality are,
and we'll fight them. And you had Hexcess say, if
y'all do that, Europe, there's no Article five here and
there won't be any American troops as well. So that's
going to give an appetite suppression to Europe, I think.
(08:48):
But I'll just tell you, Brian, overall, I think that
this is just the death throws of the way things
have always been in Europe, not realizing that there's you know,
a new force in a America coming in, going in
a different direction, but they're gonna have to come in
line because they don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To do what they want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I just wonder how much of this is being
driven by the UH military industrial complex. You know, there's
a lot of people with powerful interests and a lot
of money feeding the fuel fuel for the fire, and
as long as that more continues to rage, then you
know who's going to be making money off of it,
Which is a really sorry thing to contemplate. Lots of
(09:27):
unpack on that one, Daniel Davis, but I sure appreciate
your insight and your thoughts on it, and I'll always say,
as I always do, look forward to another discussion with
you in another deep dive next Tuesday at eight thirty.
Between now and then, best to health, my friend, see
you then, looking forward to it. It's a thirty nine
to fifty five KRC the talk station. Stick around. We
got a little more to talk about and you can call.
(09:47):
Got some time phone calls five one, three, seven, four nine,
fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two three talk
go with pound five fifty on AT and T phones.
Maybe you got a different take on things. Love to
hear from you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This is fifty five KARC and Iheartradios. Have you taken
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