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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Seven oh six fifty five kr C d Talks. Das right,
tellus you're wishing everyone ready to have you Friday Eve
and always, always, always enjoyed my conversations with Dave Williams
from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, which you can find online
to Protecting Taxpayers dot org, holding government accountable because our
elected officials don't hold themselves accountable. Welcome back, Dave Williams.
Always a pleasure to have you on the fifty five
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KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good morning, Brian, and we have to start out with
the streetcar. And I just want to let everyone know
that the National Guard in DC has not been guarding
the streetcar. Uh oh. And I think it's because no
one rides the street car. There's nothing to protect allocate.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Resources where people actually are milling about exactly, so at
least it freezes up the space. You know, look and
you found you found a bright light in the uh
in the street cars because we can't ever find a
legitimate purpose for them to justify their expense. So there
you go. It's a safe space, except if you're in
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New York. We don't have the National Guard in New York.
They could probably use them there, but they're gonna have
to wait for the mayor of New York City to
ask for help from Donald Trump, and he'll be more
than happy to provide. Its interesting sort of a position
Donald Trump has put them in, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
It is?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And the reason why Donald Trump was able to put
the National Guard in DC is because, as everyone knows,
DC is.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Not a state.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's still controlled somewhat by the federal government. So the
President has a lot of leeway as to what he
can do in the city.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And that's why he started here.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Listened, crime is a problem, and listen, you know I run.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Every morning, right.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I have not seen a measurable difference in really anything.
But but you know, the mayor, Mayor Bowser, has really
dropped the ball on this in a big way because
here she could have allocated a resource to more police, yet.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
She's spending one point two billion.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Dollars for a new football stadium for the Washington Commanders.
So I think, you know, it's all my priorities, isn't it.
And she could have prevented all of this from happening
if she wasn't so focused on giving Josh Harris, the
owner of the Commanders, one point two land dollars in
taxpayer money. It's it's really something.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It's amazing. You have to tie in street cars, police
and stadium deals into one conversation, Dave one.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Like a Bingo's like a Bengo game. I think we
got the all the Bingo places mark.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now, Well, since you're in DC, you say no noticeable
changes you run around in the morning. But is that
because you're not seeing the National Guard? Because all the
crime statistics that we've gotten out here in the you know,
the outside of DC world, which we're all happy we are,
suggests that crime has dropped over the past several weeks
because of the presence.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Crime has dropped, and I guess they're being deplayed in
areas that I'm not in. I mean, I'm not trying
to be funny here, but that's what's happening. And listen,
if this is a deterrent, fantastic you know, and I
think that's what's happening. And you know, hopefully crime isn't
moving to other areas, whether it's Virginia over the bridge
or you know, Maryland going the other way, and that's
I'm hoping that's just not displaced, that it's actually you know, stopping.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'm sorry, real quick, parallel from my friends here in Cincinnati,
we have a curfew that's been put in place, and
some of the violences kicked in. We've got some gangs
of troubled youth gathering together in various areas. So they
implemented a curfew for young people, and it does not
extend into one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in Cincinnati.
And Corey Bowman, who's running from mayor, lives in that neighborhood,
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the West End, and he's like, wait a second, why
didn't they extend the curfew over here? His concern was
that the teenagers who formerly would have been in areas
that are now covered by the curfew would move over
into his neighborhood since it's outside of the curfew area.
Sounds like a similar problem.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
There, David, exactly, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, let's pivot over to one of my favorite criticisms
of the Republicans, because I expect this kind of thing
out of Democrats, but both sides are equally guilty. The
return of ear marks. I thought they were banned back
in twenty eleven, that there would be no more ear marks.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Dave Williams, they were banned, they were brought back, they
were banned. I mean, it's you know, all over the
place now. And now you have members of the House
Freedom Caucus. Now the House Freedom Cacus for people, is
supposed to be the fiscally conservative members of the Republican Party.
They are saying, we need to bring back earmarks to
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get the budget done, to make sure that we don't
you know, default, and you know, so the most fiscally
conservative members of Congress are saying we need to bring
back earmarks. And it's just it's outrageous to think that
after we passed the one big beautiful bill, the tax cuts,
and you know, the deficit increase, that Republicans are once
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again talking about more spending and this kind of spending.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It's, uh, I'm just I don't know what year it
is anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well I don't either.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's my main criticism of any Republican. I thought the
one thing you could count on at least to pay
lip service to would be fiscal responsibility. I mean, we
are a wash in debt. Stating the obvious, our deficit
continues to grow by a massive leaps and bounds. The
first Trump administration, we increase the deficit of what five
trillion dollars? That disappointed me. No fiscal hawk, Donald Trump,
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And I what is this sort of like Nero fiddling
while roam burns is they see the writing on the
wall and they figure they may it may as well
grab as much of the pie as they can while
it still exists.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Dave, Yeah, that's what they're we they're doing. And they're
calling these now community based projects.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And listen, because you got that community word in, everybody
will embrace it. Because they use the word community, I'm
surprised they am't used the word equity. Dave.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, give them some time and they will. And listen.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
We know Brian that in the past there was fifty
million dollars for an indoor rainforest and you know Tiger,
the all people, Tiger would receive the year mark back
in the day. And I'm concerned that you have the
Republicans that control of the House to Scent and obviously
the White House, if they're not going to be the gatekeepers,
who will be the gatekeepers to stopping this spending from increasing.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And again, you know we're getting close to September.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
September is going to be a mess because the budget
is due, will probably have a continuing resolution. The month
is just going to be an absolute it's gonna be cast.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So another year without all twelve appropriation bills being.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Passed exactly, and I don't remember the last time, and
I have a pretty good memory, I don't remember the
last time all twelve appropriations bills were passed. And again,
it's just it's sloppy, right. They've taken the last six
weeks off. They could have been in town, they could
have been in DC with the National Guard doing appropriations bills.
The national Guard could have protected them and watched over
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them as they finished the spending bills.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But they chose, they chose to leave.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think that's what frustrates people is that you have
members of Congress make in one hundred and seventy four
thousand dollars a year. Now they get fifty thousand dollars
extra for housing and other expenses, so they're I don't
know if people knew this, but two years ago they
had an extra fifty grand.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
An expense that they can spend on housing and they're
not here. They're not here for a good portion of
the year. Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Is that is that reportable income. Dave, it is not,
it's not. No, there's a carve out for congress members.
They don't have to report the fifty grand and stipend
they get to cover housing.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Where do I sign.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Ups spend two million dollars on a campaign to make.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
One hundred and seventy four thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, uh huh. And look how much they're worth when
they finally leave office, Dave. That's been a running problem
for a long time. This is something that really irks
the American people. And both sides, again of the political ledger,
are guilty of this kind of conduct much of the
same way both sides are guilty of embracing earmarks. All right, Well,
what we certainly need in this world is another seven
and a half million dollars for golf training outings and
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another half a million dollars for a teapot museum.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, outrageous. And again, yeah, this is the.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Republicans had an opportunity, they had an opportunity to address
these issues, and they punted.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And it's just.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Again it's frustrating to say that you know they're doing this,
and obviously there are bigger problems in this city, but
I got to tell you, it's just a it's a
missed opportunity from the Republicans.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It really is. And I'll expect the Taxpayer Protection Line
is to start naming names. I mean, I don't think
I need to see any names from the Democrats side
of the ledger, but I sure would like to see
who on the Freedom Caucus is signed up for earmarks
of what earmarks that they think we should pay for.
Hold the ones accountable who pay lip service to fiscal responsibility,
Dave just the thought, just a suggestion.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, and that's what we do. Hold them accountable.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And that's why we're calling out the House Freedom Caucus
is because we know Democrats are going to do this.
We are the Democrats are embracing the big spending, but
the House Freedom cock is Brian.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
These are the ones like these.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Are the hardcore at the hardcore conservatives, whether it's you know,
fiscal issues or social issues, and they drop the ball
on this and it's just it's really embarrassing to see
this happening, and that's why we're calling them out.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Good for you and thanks for what you do at
the Taxpayer Protection Lines. My listeners can find you at
Protecting taxpayers dot Org. Coming up next segment. We're talking
about reducing drug prices. I heard Trump mention that yesterday.
Plus what does the Patient Act? Why did it fail?
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Speaker 1 (11:30):
Seven nineteen Happy Friday E Brian Thomas with Dave Williams
from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance looking out for our tax
tellers and pivoting over how do we get to reduce
drug prices. I know Donald Trump's called for the Most
Favored Nation Executive Order saying that hey, if you sell
it someplace less, then we have to get the lesser
price for pharmaceuticals. Taxpayer Protection Alliance doesn't view that as
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a good development. Dave, you want to explain your position
on this.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, this is all about price controls, right, is that?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I know the President is trying to do the right thing.
He's trying to bring down the cost of drugs of medication,
and we all want that. But if you don't do
it through price controls, because that distorts the market. If
you want to bring down the cost of medication, what
you do is you make the Food and Drug Administration
more efficient. It takes about two billion dollars and twelve
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years to bring a drug to market, and the rules
are so stringent. So if you have a if you
have a drug and it's a ninety five percent effective
and I'm not saying ninety five percent safe, I'm saying
ninety five percent effective, Well that doesn't meet the FDA
standard of ninety eight percent, so that drug will not
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come to market.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You have to go back to the drawing board.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And the problem is that we need to have more
flexibility with this that if you are a patient and
you see a drug going through and he says, okay,
it's only ninety well I say only ninety five. I
mean that's pretty darn good. But you say, okay, this
is not going to prove by the FDA.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But here is what it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Does and what it accomplishes. I'm taking that drug at
ninety five I'm not waiting another two years until it's
ninety eight percent effective. And again, Brian, we're not talking
about safety, because that's something that has to be the
gold standard of any drug.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It's the effectiveness. And there's no leeway here.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, I'll pay a little bit of devil's advocate here.
I'm thinking of people out there saying, well, wait, a minute.
If we rush something and we put it out on
the market not knowing full without a full panel of
research studies to document how effective it is and how
safe it is, we're going to end up with another
COVID mRNA vaccine out there. It's going to be used
by a bunch of people, and we're going to discover
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later down the road under an emergency use authorization which
frees them from liability, that we rush the judgment on
a dangerous drug. I say, let the tort system free.
Don't protect the pharmaceutical manufacturers if they want to rush
a drug out or if you perceive it to be
a rush and put it out on the market before
they've done enough research to know how dangerous it is
or not, then they suffer liability consequences for the damage
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the pharmaceuticals do. That would solve the problem.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It would.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And you're right about the emergency use I mean, you
know this is something that really needs to be reevaluated
and really stopped. And again you know this is the
FDA not you know, we're not talking you know, running
these things through in like three or four months, right,
I mean, there has to be a process for clinical
trials and to make sure it's safe. But right now
the system is so backed up and it's so slow
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that we're not getting these medications really in a timely manner.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And again there has to be safety absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
All right, let's pivot over to three forty B. My
wife I was a specialist and she did a lot
of three forty B work, and in fact, you joked
one point that she was going to get three forty
B for her custom license plates. I thought that was
pretty funny because most of the world doesn't even know
what three forty B is, but it's it was addressed
in this Patience Act that failed. Tell my listeners if
you can and boil it down in understandable terms, because
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it's like, quite often, like the peace of God me
understanding this.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, this is a little complicated, but basically, the three
forty B program allows certain hospitals and clinics to purchase
prescription drugs at a deep discount. The problem is they're
not passed on to the patient, and you have a
lot of hospitals that are pocketing the discounts and not
passing those along to the patient. And the Patients Act
was really this window dressing, right, It was saying more
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drugs would be available, But it doesn't really address the
fact that the three forty B program is broken and
it's costing tens of billions of dollars a year to
the taxpayers and the consumers.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, the consumer, the end user of the pharmaceutical, was
supposed to get the benefit of the discount through three
forty B. Right, Well, why can't they just modify three
forty B to mandate that that you must pass along
these discounts to the end user. You may not pocket
the discount and then charge them the full or higher
price for the drug.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, unfortunately, part of the problem is the hospital lobby
is that they don't want fundamental change.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh well, there in lies the problem that would be
our elected officials not standing up to the hospital lobby.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, and listen, this is you know, this is what happens.
This happened with postal reform a few years ago. Is
that Congress said we're gonna have you know, this big
postal reform bill. It did nothing to reform the postal system.
The three forty B Patients Act will do nothing to
reform the three forty B program. And that's why you
know they're cowards. I mean, the members of Congress are
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afraid to take on certain lobbies, and one of them
is that it is very powerful.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It is the hospital lobby.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But wait a second, it undercuts the very reason for
implementing the three forty program in the first place.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh my god, people need relief from the high price
of pharmaceuticals. Here, let's pass the law and provide them
without relief. And the hospital stand in the way of
that happening. And they won't stand up against the hospitals,
foiling the point of the legislation that was passed.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, and Farma, big Pharma is afraid to take on
the hospitals and I mean the hospital lobby.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So this is what's happening, is that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
They have gained an upper hand in Congress. And that's
why you see window dressing rather than real reform.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
See.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Without people like you, I wouldn't know about this. Appreciate it,
Dave Williams. Taxpayer protection and support them. It's protecting taxpayers
dot Org. Dave Love when you come on the show,
talk about these topics that are usually flying under a
lot of people's radar. That's what we have you for.
And appreciate all the work that you and the team
does each and every week there. Look forward to having
me back on the program real soon. Dave, You're always
a welcome here in the morning show.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Thanks Brian, have a great labor day you too.
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