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you're the keynote speaker tonight, Hunter Oswald who's joining me
this morning or joining us this morning. Philimbeth Gayzwick's development
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ground reporting. He's also written for a variety of other outlets.
In addition to writing, he served as the Institute for
Faith and Freedom student fellow and Conservative Thought where he
researched religious terrorism and insurgency across the world. That topic's
not gone away and the importance in addressing national security matters.
Tonight an important conversation. He'll be speaking about the future
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of gen Z conservatism. Hunter Oswald, Welcome to the Morning Show.
It's a pleasure to have you on today.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Thanks for having me on, Brian.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
All right, let's break down these Okay, boomers are nineteen
forty six to sixty four. Welcome to me. I'm the
first year of jen X sixty five to eighty. The
millennials were born eighty one and ninety six, so gen
Z is nineteen ninety seven to twenty twelve. Making the
folks that you're talking about thirteen to twenty eight years old.
This is the future of America politics, is it not?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It is. In fact, gen Z has been really taken
in American politics since really the twenty twenty four election.
I mean, if you want to be even farther back
to twenty twenty, but twenty twenty four, this past election cycle,
we really saw major shifts in gen Z when it
came to who voted for who, because traditionally speaking, gen
Z has always been perceived as way more progressive that
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than people thought. Yes, but when twenty twenty four had
twenty four, we saw Trump game six percent of that
vote compared to twenty twenty. So we are definitely seeing
gen Z as having a major hold in American politics
as of now.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, you're following this quite closely. What do you hear
from the I'll call them converts. You know, he who
is not from the left is a youth has no heart.
He who is not from the right as an adult
has no brain. Obviously they're waking up at a much
younger age. What's driving this more conservative shift? Hunter?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, so what if they driving this shift? Is the
combination of stuff and one of them is what we
are definitely seeing is somewhat of a religious revival in
America that is taking more a traditional approach to issues,
whether that's on abortion, transgenderism, all the more social issues
we are definitely seeing amongst gen Z. But also I
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would say one of the things as a gen Z
individual myself is just the major skepticism of our institutions.
And people are like, okay, Hunter or gen Z, why
are you say skeptical? Well, basically since the day we're born,
if you want to really, like you said nineteen ninety
seven and for me like two thousand and one, skepticism
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is kind of part of our nature. Where you've had
politicians from say right and left or really Democrat Republican
that have told us, hey, if you do certain things,
we'll give you this and that, and we haven't seen anything.
We've been told everything, we've been promised to everything, and
none of that's happened. So there is certainly a skepticism
within gen Z towards intutions like Congress, the presidency, and
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even the Spring Court, and that has translated into a
approach that seeks, hey, why do we want to give
more power over to these institutions that have lied to us? Yes,
and that's also been a major driver towards conservative and
also just the simple desire for truth. We've been told
to think a certain way, you know, not to question
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our folks in the classroom, and then when we try
to actually have a discussion about issues, we are actually
diving in these issues way more than people anticipated. We
want the truth and we don't want these institutions to
say you're going to think a certain way or else.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, that's interesting, and I suspect that, I know one
of the one of the things you're going to be
talking about, and in addition to the meaning of conservatism,
talking about what issues are really critical to this movement,
but the role of technology. I mean, I'm in that
and that that that generation hunter that if you really
wanted to pay attention to politics, you had to subscribe
to magazines, you know, like The New Republic or Atlantic,
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or you know, subscribe to major newspapers. You had to
get a copy of the Wall Street Journal, you had
to watch the McNeil LAIRR News Hour on Sundays if
you wanted any substantive conversation. So it was easy to
gloss over it. We have the Internet. Welcome to reality
in this modern day and age, and I suspect because
kids spend young people, I would argue, spend a lot
of time on social media, they're actually engaging in political
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discourse and following the issues that are impacting them. It's
created a wonderful opportunity for them to educate themselves in
spite of what the left wants to how they want
to control them.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Precisely. Yeah, I mean one of the jokes we say
about gen Z as Generation Zoomer because we are the
digital kids. You know, you had your millennials prior that
were like, Okay, we're finally getting the Internet. But then
now the gen Z my group is now signed. We
have social media. We have way more platforms to engage
people in ways that I don't think many of us
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original thought could be even possible. And that's why you're
seeing a lot of people on social media, whether that's x, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok,
all those platforms right now are being used to spread
more information than I think anybody could imagine. I think
that's also where the rise of conservativesm is just the
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fact that social media is offering an alternative to the mainstream. Indeed,
you can actually have. You can actually have discourse without
major networks studying it down overnight and saying, well, if
you have the wrong opinion, you can't say this. Well, no,
we want a platform, and these alternative media is providing
that platform for gen Z.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, unlimited amount of material, and we get to be
our own editor in terms of what material we choose
to consume and digest. We're not being dictated to by
some behind the scenes person and some probably left leaning
network who's picking and choosing what information to feed us.
It's all out there for anybody who chooses to want
to go after it. I gotta hit on something, Hunter,
as I want to ask you this directly, because I
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think it is probably, if not the one of the
primary mechanisms for this awakening young people are having, and
this rejection of leftist ideology. And you mentioned it before,
this idea that we need to accept someone's personal choice
on what gender they are. Now, I don't care personally
that there are transgenders in the world. You know, I
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can live under that umbrella as long as you're not
forcing me to say out loud that yes, they are
indeed a sex that they're not born with. I'm a
purist when it comes to medicine X and y X
and a X determined your sex period, end of story.
You want to believe you're somebody else, Hey, go ahead,
but you can't force me to say you're a woman
if you're a guy, and you shouldn't be allowed in
a female locker room if you're a guy. There's a
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whole lot of risk that goes along with that. Is
that as prominent a reason for this conservative shift as
I'm kind of perceiving it to be, because it's like
the biggest batcrap insane element out there, almost on the
inside of the ledger.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I don't think you're even wrong about that, because
even I would essentially I would actually agree with that,
because what you're seeing is the left, especially in our institutions,
has hit so hard with these radical ideologies. You know,
like you said, you know, somehow a man can become
a woman and vice versa, or if you use the
wrong pronoun or missioner somebody like you see in Colorado,
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you can actually be arrested or be denied service from
being your kids in court. You know, you have all
these radical proposals, and it's like, look, we don't care
if you're gay or lesbian or a transiener. We really
don't care. Just don't impose your ideology on somebody and
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force them into something they don't simply agree with, right nobody.
I would say gen Z in some ways is kind
of mix of conservatives but also libertarians.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
They're libertarians. That's me. I'm a little el little charian
hunter oswald. I. I think we can all play nicely
under the under the under the banner of freedom, you know,
the right to control our own individual destinies without intruding
into someone else's life. Hell, yes, I'll go for that
all day, man.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, oh yeah, but yeah, I mean it's kind of
And that's where I would describe gen Z in some
way as a fusion Like we've heard this, you know
amongst conservaive fusionism between conservative ideas and groups with libertarians,
and that's been there for a long time, but I
think it's certainly grown again, and especially you're seeing that
in gen Z because like I've said and others have said,
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is we don't care if you or this or that,
just don't impose your will or use the state for government.
How do you want to call them to put your
ideas on us and then say, if you don't follow
our rules, if you don't like what we you have
we have for you to say, then we're going to
shut you out. We're not going to give you these privileges,
We're not going to allow you to practice your fundamental
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rights as a human being. Because I think at the
end of the day, what conservatism offers that the progressives
they don't, is given an idea of what is human dignity,
what is being able to be free to do what
you'd want to do, so long as you're not infringing
on other people's right to do the same. And I
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think that's where gen Z is finally realizing conservatism libertarianism
is offering that alternative. And it's always been there, it's
just our institutions haven't been willing to say, oh, yeah,
they got a point, because progressism is a fundamentally denial
of what those ideals, those universal truths.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Are indeed, and of course, when you're a Marxist, you
hate religion, the concept of something higher power than the government.
Of course, the Founding fathers were well aware of that.
That's why we have inalienable rights in the Bill of Rights.
They are God given rights, And if you don't believe
in God, you can still believe in that concept. Consider
the state of nature, as I point out all the time,
if you're PLoP down in the middle of field, magically
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by the fly, spaghetti monster born, and where there is
no one around you, you can literally do anything you want.
As soon as another human being lands next to you,
then you have to observe their rights and freedoms. You
can't harm them, they can't harm you. But can you
defend yourself? Yes, in natural law you can. Can you
go out and feed yourself, yes you can. It's that
whole idea of natural law, and that's you know, it
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springs from sometimes a religious ideology. I guess I'm just wondering.
Like turning Point, USA, Charlie Kirk very religious guy. His
political message was cloaked in faith, but he wasn't trying
to force you to be a Christian. He was trying
to explain the value of it for you as an individual.
It's uplifting. It gives you hope, it gives you freedom,
it gives you I mean, there's a lot of reasons
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that he encouraged Christianity, but he wasn't going to force
you to become Christian. Just say out loud, Hunter that
you're a Christian immediately results in this venomous attack by
the left. You stupid, what do you believe in? That
in the philag spaghetti monster too, and they just immediately
attack you merely because you're a person of faith. Is
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is it a reaction from young people to now start
turning to faith because of that response? I mean, you
know what, that's ridiculous, And I'm going to look into
this concept of faith and religion.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Precisely. Yeah. No, gen Z has definitely being a revival
in faith, especially towards Christianity. So me personally, I'm a
Roman Catholic. I've been a Roman Catholic since the day
i was born. I'm proud to be Roman Catholic. Now
people would say, Hunter, what about you know, the Catholic
Church and stuff, because that's one of the arguments today
before young people who are going towards to say more
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traditional Masses or traditional Christianity amongst gen Z and they
like you said, all you're superstitious, what do you believe in?
It's like, look what the Blessed has done for the
past few decades is promote this idea of pure secularism
that somehow should be entirely separate from political even at
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more or less even cultural life. And they've been promoted
in this new idea called new atheism, which you hear
people would say, like, you're rich, your Dawkins, you're Christopher
Higginson's who are saying that, you know, faith is not
just useless, it's fundamentally dangerous to society because it promotes quote,
these superstitions that bring us backwards and away from science. Well,
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it's like, look, if you look at Christianity, it has
been immensely impassible for human dignity. It is promoted those
universal truths that have allowed us to enjoy the very
freedoms we have today. I mean, we see this as
you know Thomas Aquinas who argues that you know, reason
and faith are one and the same. The ability to
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reason is a gift from God. So when you have
young people today being told that being religious or being
a person of faith is backwards, they fundamental we deny
the fruits of what and the very wisdom of Western civilization.
They deny the very principles that allow us to got
to this very own place. Whether and that's the best
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part about being a person of faces. You see all
this when you open your eyes. Because another important thing
is what new atheism failed, That is driving gen z
towards faiths. It's failed to give us purpose. Why are
we here on this earth? Why are we doing the
things we're doing? What is our ultimate goal in life?
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And religion has offers those answers. New atheism failed to
funamility address that question, which is what purpose do we
have in our lives?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Hunter Oswald, It's going to be an amazing conversation. Empoweroamerica
dot org for all the details. Get registered before seven
pm the night show up in person at the Empower
use some of our studios again, three hundred great oaks
drive side annex entrances where you enter or watch from home. Hunter,
I can't thank you enough for what you're doing. And
maybe you just now stumbled upon the reality of why
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they hate religion because that Christian faith, through Judeo Christian ethic,
built Western civilization. What are the Marxists and leftists hate
more than anything in the world Western civilization period? End
of story. So we got to attack the root cause
of it. Maybe that's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Absolutely, Yeah, no, and I hope to see everybody there
and we'll be having even more discussions about what conservatives
that means means today for gen Z, the future of
gen Z conservative as such, and what can we learn
especially to bridge the gap between order conservatives, younger since
conservatives and hopefully bring about even brighter future for everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
From boomers to millennials to the gen Zers. Get everybody
watching this seminar, Hunter Oswall to wish you the best
on to keep up the great work. Maybe you and
I can talk again sometime down the road here on
the fifty five KRC Morning Show would be.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
More than what Hey, thank you again Brian for having
me on.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
My pleasure man. Enjoy the seminar tonight. It's eight twenty
one right now, folks. Jay Ratt