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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's seven five herefig about parsed talk station. Try to
have a happy Monday. Into the subject matter we've been
focusing on this morning rather disgusting and horrific, and to
talk about that subject matter, of course, the fight over
the weekend, the severe beatdown of a man as well
as the cole cocking, just punching of what a seemingly
innocent bystander trying to help out and render assistance knock
(00:35):
to the ground. To speak to that matter, the FOP
president Ken Koberra returns to the morning show. Chief our
president of the Sin Saints Fraternal or Police. It's great
to have you back on, Ken. I wish it was
under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness to speak
with my listeners of me about this.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me now.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The one puzzling thing threes thij, the chief of police,
said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware
that this had happened. She saw the viral video the
following day or that day. Later in the day, about
six pm, she issued a statement. This was three o'clock
in the morning. I guess post concert, there are about
ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks went
(01:16):
to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards, and
we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be an
area where you might expect the chief or whoever's responsible
for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't appear
to be any police involved in the era, even in
the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well, you know,
you had.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A lot going on downtown. Of course, we're spread thin.
There's only so many of us to go around. You know,
we get calls for service and we end up responding
to them. I mean, that's not the only way you
can put It was three in the morning, so all
the events have wrapped up from Music Fest and then
it was just another night of the bars downtown.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Unfortunately. Well, well, I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It was reported in multiple news outlets there was only
one nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Is that accurate? I believe there were two or three.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
But yes, I mean you would think something like this
that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so
few people call nine one one, and you know, I
talked about it over the weekend. It's it's disgusting that
you had people that would rather just watch in videotape
rather than you know, if you don't want to get
involved in completely understand, call the police because we can't
be everywhere and unless we know something's going on, you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Know, you can't get there.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,
I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,
you know, to diffuse a situation after the guy in
the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty forty times,
and then I guess they decided that was enough.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Then.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.
This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No question about it. Now, I understand you're working to
identify every but he's involved quite a few videos floating around.
But I also understand that city cameras are in or
in the area. Are there cameras mounted close by to
where this unfolded.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.
Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.
So that's all be all part of the investigation. And
these investigators have been working around the clock to not
only identify them, but then to find.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Out why did this happen.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,
who started it, who didn't start it. At the end
of the day, what could have started out as a
mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground and
you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,
that that's not a mutual fight.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That is just a savage.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Attack, without question. And I honestly, and when you put
it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the
who started the fight. It could have been the guy
that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered
that night, But does it really matter if he's the
one that started the whole altercation between one other person,
It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local
(03:56):
twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was
talking to you, I guess, says several suspects identified in
brutal downtown since at attack. Have the police actually identified
some of the suspects, because there's no specific reporting in
the bulk of the article that says just that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh no, they've identified several people already been getting tips.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know that it can use you know video cameras.
That's great.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know the people that want to instead of calling
the police and want to sit there and videotape this
stuff and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's fantastic because at least they.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Were doing something, because now it makes it a lot
easier when the police have several different angles to be
able to identify some of these perpetrators. So, yes, there
have been people identified. They're still looking to identify more people.
So why we've asked, you know, people either call crime
stoppers or call the Central Business Section three five two
five four four five as the investigator's line number to
(04:49):
be able to get the rest of these people identified.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just
stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.
It doesn't matter m my position relative that the last
thing I ever think of is pulling my phone out
to even take a picture at a family event. But
this is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if
you're not willing to make a phone call to the
police and say, hey, that was my brother in law
that punched that woman in the face, but at least
(05:15):
they took a video of it, so it helped you
identify them. But that the component that really bothers me
so much. We live in a world where we're willing
to alienate family members over politics and not answer the
phone or call them up anymore, and and end ties
with them. If you if you're hanging out with or
otherwise friends or relatives, as someone who would do something
as horrific as just walk up and punch a woman
(05:37):
right in the face or otherwise kick a man, well,
he's obviously incapacitated him down. That's not somebody I'd want
to hang out with, and that's someone I'd be more
than happy to drop a dime on all.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And you know, you talk about this time after time
after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, But what I
saw on social media this weekend, there were there were
a group of people that were actually trying to defend
this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman getting
knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,
this is okay, and this is why, and it's like
(06:11):
and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults
trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why
we are where we are as a society.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that
some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,
we had, you know, some council people. Mark Jeffries I
think was outspoken on and he said they need to
be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law as of
this morning, and Joe and I both did separate internet search.
Is not a word from the mayor. What's your reaction
(06:41):
to that? Ken?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The silence is deafening, well exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,
council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing
from the mayor.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't either, So solutions. I mean a lot of
people calling in making fun of the whole idea of
where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of
tongue in cheek, like what could a drone do? Anyway?
But in terms of what you would hope to be
a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents
an ultimate opportunity for us as a city. To turn
(07:15):
the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to
the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually
it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it
included this in it as well. But for us to
finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the
prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,
(07:36):
we need to be a law and order city in
order to counterbalance this really negative perception of the city
of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are
going to stop is if the people are actually held
accountable and they put them all in prison. That then
that will send a message to the public that if
you come down here and you act like this, there
are going to be consequence there. They are going to
be real consequences, and you're gonna go to prison. That
and only then is when we will actually maybe see
(08:05):
some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,
they believe right now there's no consequences.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's why they do these things. And they said they.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Know they're on camera, they know it's likely that they're
going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable.
This will continue. I'd love to see a headline six
months or a year from now, four people sent to
prison for this brutal attack.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning
Show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,
if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in
fear for your life, You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.
Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,
he might have been to defend himself. You're in a
very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the
ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity
(08:49):
for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.
But your take on the justification for use of deadly
force had that guy been armed, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean it absolutely would have been justified.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people
kicking your head, stomping you. You kick somebody in the head,
you're stomping on their head. You are clearly trying to
cause them serious physical harm.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You have the right to defend yourselves. You know, maybe
that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to
realize that you can't do this again.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude
not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to
the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of
what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member
of the public defending themselves with deadly force under those circumstances,
reminding the rest of the population that, yeah, there are
a whole bunch of armed people out there and this
might be a really, really bad idea.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, that's the only that's other than the headlines
of these people going to prison. That's the only other
way that people are going to start thinking twice before they.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Act this way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
FOP President kan Cover, God bless you, sir. Keep up
the great work. And you know, the fifty five cares
Morning Shore listeners have the CINCINNTI Police Department's back, and
we'll be happy to drop a dime if we have
information that might lead to an arrest. Three five, two
thirty forty crime stoppers a number. Take care, Ken, stay well,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, thanks for having me, Bran.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's always a pleasure, take care seven to fifteen right now.
But if I have cares to the talk station, gee,
I wonder what Christopher Smitheman is going to be talk
about in his Smither vent
It's seven five herefig about parsed talk station. Try to
have a happy Monday. Into the subject matter we've been
focusing on this morning rather disgusting and horrific, and to
talk about that subject matter, of course, the fight over
the weekend, the severe beatdown of a man as well
as the cole cocking, just punching of what a seemingly
innocent bystander trying to help out and render assistance knock
(00:35):
to the ground. To speak to that matter, the FOP
president Ken Koberra returns to the morning show. Chief our
president of the Sin Saints Fraternal or Police. It's great
to have you back on, Ken. I wish it was
under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness to speak
with my listeners of me about this.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me now.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The one puzzling thing threes thij, the chief of police,
said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware
that this had happened. She saw the viral video the
following day or that day. Later in the day, about
six pm, she issued a statement. This was three o'clock
in the morning. I guess post concert, there are about
ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks went
(01:16):
to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards, and
we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be an
area where you might expect the chief or whoever's responsible
for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't appear
to be any police involved in the era, even in
the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well, you know,
you had.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A lot going on downtown. Of course, we're spread thin.
There's only so many of us to go around. You know,
we get calls for service and we end up responding
to them. I mean, that's not the only way you
can put It was three in the morning, so all
the events have wrapped up from Music Fest and then
it was just another night of the bars downtown.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Unfortunately. Well, well, I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It was reported in multiple news outlets there was only
one nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Is that accurate? I believe there were two or three.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
But yes, I mean you would think something like this
that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so
few people call nine one one, and you know, I
talked about it over the weekend. It's it's disgusting that
you had people that would rather just watch in videotape
rather than you know, if you don't want to get
involved in completely understand, call the police because we can't
be everywhere and unless we know something's going on, you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Know, you can't get there.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,
I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,
you know, to diffuse a situation after the guy in
the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty forty times,
and then I guess they decided that was enough.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Then.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.
This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No question about it. Now, I understand you're working to
identify every but he's involved quite a few videos floating around.
But I also understand that city cameras are in or
in the area. Are there cameras mounted close by to
where this unfolded.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.
Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.
So that's all be all part of the investigation. And
these investigators have been working around the clock to not
only identify them, but then to find.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Out why did this happen.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,
who started it, who didn't start it. At the end
of the day, what could have started out as a
mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground and
you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,
that that's not a mutual fight.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That is just a savage.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Attack, without question. And I honestly, and when you put
it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the
who started the fight. It could have been the guy
that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered
that night, But does it really matter if he's the
one that started the whole altercation between one other person,
It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local
(03:56):
twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was
talking to you, I guess, says several suspects identified in
brutal downtown since at attack. Have the police actually identified
some of the suspects, because there's no specific reporting in
the bulk of the article that says just that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh no, they've identified several people already been getting tips.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know that it can use you know video cameras.
That's great.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know the people that want to instead of calling
the police and want to sit there and videotape this
stuff and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's fantastic because at least they.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Were doing something, because now it makes it a lot
easier when the police have several different angles to be
able to identify some of these perpetrators. So, yes, there
have been people identified. They're still looking to identify more people.
So why we've asked, you know, people either call crime
stoppers or call the Central Business Section three five two
five four four five as the investigator's line number to
(04:49):
be able to get the rest of these people identified.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just
stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.
It doesn't matter m my position relative that the last
thing I ever think of is pulling my phone out
to even take a picture at a family event. But
this is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if
you're not willing to make a phone call to the
police and say, hey, that was my brother in law
that punched that woman in the face, but at least
(05:15):
they took a video of it, so it helped you
identify them. But that the component that really bothers me
so much. We live in a world where we're willing
to alienate family members over politics and not answer the
phone or call them up anymore, and and end ties
with them. If you if you're hanging out with or
otherwise friends or relatives, as someone who would do something
as horrific as just walk up and punch a woman
(05:37):
right in the face or otherwise kick a man, well,
he's obviously incapacitated him down. That's not somebody I'd want
to hang out with, and that's someone I'd be more
than happy to drop a dime on all.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And you know, you talk about this time after time
after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, But what I
saw on social media this weekend, there were there were
a group of people that were actually trying to defend
this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman getting
knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,
this is okay, and this is why, and it's like
(06:11):
and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults
trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why
we are where we are as a society.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that
some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,
we had, you know, some council people. Mark Jeffries I
think was outspoken on and he said they need to
be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law as of
this morning, and Joe and I both did separate internet search.
Is not a word from the mayor. What's your reaction
(06:41):
to that? Ken?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The silence is deafening, well exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,
council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing
from the mayor.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't either, So solutions. I mean a lot of
people calling in making fun of the whole idea of
where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of
tongue in cheek, like what could a drone do? Anyway?
But in terms of what you would hope to be
a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents
an ultimate opportunity for us as a city. To turn
(07:15):
the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to
the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually
it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it
included this in it as well. But for us to
finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the
prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,
(07:36):
we need to be a law and order city in
order to counterbalance this really negative perception of the city
of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are
going to stop is if the people are actually held
accountable and they put them all in prison. That then
that will send a message to the public that if
you come down here and you act like this, there
are going to be consequence there. They are going to
be real consequences, and you're gonna go to prison. That
and only then is when we will actually maybe see
(08:05):
some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,
they believe right now there's no consequences.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's why they do these things. And they said they.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Know they're on camera, they know it's likely that they're
going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable.
This will continue. I'd love to see a headline six
months or a year from now, four people sent to
prison for this brutal attack.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning
Show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,
if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in
fear for your life, You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.
Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,
he might have been to defend himself. You're in a
very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the
ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity
(08:49):
for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.
But your take on the justification for use of deadly
force had that guy been armed, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean it absolutely would have been justified.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people
kicking your head, stomping you. You kick somebody in the head,
you're stomping on their head. You are clearly trying to
cause them serious physical harm.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You have the right to defend yourselves. You know, maybe
that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to
realize that you can't do this again.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude
not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to
the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of
what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member
of the public defending themselves with deadly force under those circumstances,
reminding the rest of the population that, yeah, there are
a whole bunch of armed people out there and this
might be a really, really bad idea.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, that's the only that's other than the headlines
of these people going to prison. That's the only other
way that people are going to start thinking twice before they.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Act this way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
FOP President kan Cover, God bless you, sir. Keep up
the great work. And you know, the fifty five cares
Morning Shore listeners have the CINCINNTI Police Department's back, and
we'll be happy to drop a dime if we have
information that might lead to an arrest. Three five, two
thirty forty crime stoppers a number. Take care, Ken, stay well,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, thanks for having me, Bran.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's always a pleasure, take care seven to fifteen right now.
But if I have cares to the talk station, gee,
I wonder what Christopher Smitheman is going to be talk
about in his Smither vent
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