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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Been a very happy Monday to you. I am pleased
to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show Buddy Levey,
author of more than ten books, including A Labyrinth of Ice,
The Triumphant and Tragic Greeley Polar Expedition, and Empire of
Ice and Stone, The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the
Karl Luke. His book have been published in eight languages,

(00:20):
won numerous awards. You may have also seen him on
the History Channel. He was on History's Greatest Mysteries hosted
by Lawrence Fishburn, and also The Unexplained with William Shatner
hosting Today, We've got a new book to talk about.
Realm of Ice and Sky, triumph Tragedy, and History's Greatest
Arctic Rescue. Welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show,
Buddy Lovey. It's a pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Sir Ryan, great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Answer me this. This has been puzzling me for a
lot of years, and you make like, okay, you got
more you need, You got too much time on your hands.
But I've seen a number of documentaries about polar travel
North Pole, South Pole and the period in time when
these adventures were made, these daring trips into frozen wastelands.

(01:03):
What in the hell prompted people to want to seek
the polls and put their literally their lives in peril
to do it. Did they have that bad home life
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's a great question. Well it was multi pronged, really.
I mean, part of it was initially discovery, trying to
find out what was there, because early expeditions, we still
didn't know what was at the top and bottom of
the world. Certainly these were added to fame, fortune, and

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immortality because if you were the ones who could discover
make these discoveries, then there were lucrative book tours and
lecture tours, and you would also often you know, become
feted in your own country. And so there was also
a nationalistic pride to it. I mean, many countries were

(01:58):
buying for the polls, so there was a lot of
different reasons. But I mean, I agree, man, these were
such daunting expeditions that it's hard to imagine now putting
yourself in such.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Peril, it really is. That's what's always puzzled me, isid
these guys had to have hated their wives or something.
I mean, this is just that craft crazy anyway, it
was widely reported. At least I think you've solved the
mystery on this. Who got there first? Doctor Frederick Cook
claimed to have made it to the North Pole in
nineteen o eight, and then a year later, as I understand,

(02:29):
Robert Perry made the claim that he had seen the
North Pole first. But what did you uncover in Realm
of Ice and Sky, the book you've just released.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, you know, there's been arguments about this ongoing since
the early nineteen hundreds when Cook and Perry first made
the claims, but subsequently their records were found to be
either altered or fabricated. And so when Dominson the Norwegian

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went over the pole in an airship in nineteen twenty
six with the Italian Umberto noble A, he made what
is now considered and at least I find this to
be true, the first confirmed reaching.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Of the North Pole.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And so you know, like I said, there was fame
and immortality were involved, and egos were involved, and so
there were lots of there was fabrication, and so you know,
it ended up being this kind of ongoing argument and counterclaims,

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and it was national and international news for years and years.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, these were these folks that you talk about in
the book Roland Aminson and Walter Wellman, they flew to
the North Pole in a blimp right airship.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
And Wellman, interestingly was an American from Ohio who was
the first to try and it was really I liken
it to the first astronauts. I mean, these guys were
called aeronauts. And Wellman was trying this in craft that
were untested. In fact, nineteen oh seven, nineteen oh eight,

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he went up there to Spallbar, this archipelago north of Norway,
halfway between Norway and North Pole, and gets in one
hundred and eighty five foot hydrogen filled dirigible or blimp
we call him now, and with a you know, a
pretty small motor on it and tries to fly one

(04:40):
thousand miles to the North Bowle and what could possibly
go wrong?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And so yeah, these guys were you know, Wellman was
really really brave and he and only a couple of
other guys were getting into these craft which had, like
I say, never before even been tested. I mean there
were they had been sit in uh in France and
tested in other places, but not in the Arctic. So

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it was really a pioneering and courageous effort that you
just have to marvel at the courage of these men.
And you know, some claimed at the time courage and
suicidal tendency.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yes, really, it's the first thing that went through my mind.
Untested aircraft and and and and going into frozen wastelines.
And I presume at times the wind had to kick
up pretty dramatically. So if you just got a little
tiny motor and you're floating around and basically what is
a balloon? I mean, how do you keep yourself on course?
Would be a question I would have before I went
up in the thing.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Right, So you're you're hoping for the winds to be
in your favor, and there were, you know, lots of
study about what the winds were doing in that part
of the world at these times. But you're absolutely right.
Wellman and his crew were buffeted around and blown in circles,
and they had a number of devices that they had

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used Wellman device to try to keep them on course,
including these long cables that had hooks on the ends
and weights and there were you know, being they were
a five hundred feet long, they could help keep them
tethered to the ice. But again this was all rather rudimentary,

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and for context, you know, the Wright brothers in nineteen
oh three had only recently been testing the airplane. So
one of the things I found really intriguing about this
story was that while Wellman was trying this, the airplane
and the airship were both buying for supremacy of the skies,

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and so no one really quite knew whether the airship,
dirigible blimp whatever you want to call it, was going
to defeat the airplane, and so it was a really
open question, and that part is quite compelling.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, in any of these various airship of dirigible blimp trips,
did they land once they got to what would be
known as the actual North Pole or do they just
take photographs from above?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, that's a really great question. Sometimes they land in unintentionally,
which is called crashing. But when by the time all
Amansen and Nobuley get into the fray, it's about sixteen
years after Wellman and they are able to definitively photograph

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above the North Pole. And photograph, I mean they fly
all the way from Spalbard north of Norway to across
the polar see across the North Pole to Teller Alaska
and make a kind of dramatic crash landing there, though
they all survive, and so yeah, it's a good question.

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The plan had been in a number of these expeditions
to try it's a great question to try to land,
to try to lower people down, either from the hovering
craft or kind of like landing on the Moon, or
to land tether there and then get out and do
some scientific study on the ice. But conditions up there

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were never really conducive to making intentional landings, and so
you do have a lot of drama in this story
about crash landings.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, well it was I wanted to gravitate over to
a specific illustration that what is described as the disaster
of the Italia.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, So after Amunsen and Nobela, this Italian airship designer
make a somewhat successful flight in twenty six for National
Pride Nobila, who decides to do it with an almost
exclusively Italian crew, and he makes it to the North Pole,
but on the way back it's can incredibly like a

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kind of hurricane and winds, and so they end up
crashing on the ice and a number of people perish.
It's very dramatic. The dirigible. You know, the control car
sheers away from the bottom of this dirigible. Many men
are left on the ice and the others float away

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above them and are gone.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Into the mist.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
And then Noblay and these nine other men are left
on a floating ice flow for about six weeks, with.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
No one knowing exactly where they are.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And it's really it's one of the most dramatic rescues
in archaic history.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
And it's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
How in the hell were they found? I mean, I
presume maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, that
they had no way of communicating. They didn't have like
two way radios with the mainland or whatever. Did they?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Ah, they did, so one of the men had the
good sense to so this is also at the time
that Marconi's wireless radio has been developed, and so one
of the men had the wherewithal to leap from the
crashing dirigible with a short wave two way and they are,

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after a great deal of travail and innovation, are able
to get communication with first of all, with some farmer
in Russia.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Of all things.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Here's their SOS communications and contacts the Italian government, which
sets in motion this incredible rescue operation.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
That involves. It's a multi national.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Rescue operation that involves Sweden, Norway, Finland, the United States,
it's Italy and all these different countries are vying to
be the ones to find Nobuley and his men, including
dramatically rolled Almond, and the greatest polar explorer of all time,
who has retired at this time, comes out of retirement,

(11:06):
Hopson an airplane to go sweep in and save his
arch nemesis nobule A. And then he ends up. It's
a great, really Hollywood ending. I mean, what ends up
happening with Noble or with Amtsen. I will give that away,
don't give it flies He flies off, you know, with

(11:26):
a number of men in this prototype airplane, and it's
just wild.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
What happens?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, read all about it, I guess today, Buddy Lovey,
author of Realm of Ice and Sky, Triumph Tragedy and
History's Greatest Arctic Rescue before we Park Company, Really, Chris,
it's been fascinating, Buddy. How is it you got involved
in Arctic exploration? What drew you to it as a topic.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Oh, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I ended up going to Greenland when I was doing
a bunch of journalism in the early two thousands, and
I met a Norwegian woman who who gave me a
book called The First Crossing of Greenland by this man
named free Joff Nonsen, who was a kind of protege
of Munson's. And once I started reading, well, first of all,
once I went to Greenland, I was so struck by

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the landscape, the people, that the uh you know, the topography,
and it was just a very dangerous and foreboding place.
And then I thought, oh man, I got into the
started reading about these Arctic explorers and I was just hooked.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I couldn't stop.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
So there's my third book about the subject.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, exactly, well and obviously a very successful author, you are.
I'm sure my listener's going to go to get one
to get a copy of rom of Ice and Sky,
which we've made it easy for them to do, Buddy.
It's on my blog page fifty five care see dot
com a link to click on to buy a copy
of the book and enjoy it. These people were absolutely crazy, Buddy,
that's all I can conclude. Absolutely crazy. But Man would
have liked agree you left man, Buddy, real fun. It

(12:55):
was fun talking to you. Thanks for spending the time
my listeners of meme for putting this all down on paper.
Heyo five the fifty five parase de talk station. Happy
Friday Eve, Great time to be tune into the fity
five Parassee Morning Show, which I would argue it always is,
but I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five
Parasy Morning Show. Someone the many of my listeners probably
already know Dennis Neil, Award winning journalist, media strategist, advisor

(13:17):
to senior executives. A lot of my listeners may be
listened to his What's Bugging Me? Podcast. He was formerly
the anchor at CNBC and Fox Business Network. After serving
as man My Favorite Newspaper, senior editor at The Wall
Street Journal as well as managing editor of Forbes. He helped
write The Wealth Management of Wall Street Insider on the
Dirty Secrets of Financial Advisors and how to Protect Your Portfolio.

(13:39):
Author of the book we're going to be talking about today,
the leadership genius of Elon Musk. Welcome to the Morning Show,
Dennis Neil. It is a distinct pleasure to have you
on my program.

Speaker 8 (13:48):
Same here, Brian, and thanks so much for that very
loquacious kind intro.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're well deserving of it. You do great work, and
you have been for a long time, And a little
jealousy on my part because I dearly love the Wall
Street Journal, and I'm so glad it's one of the
few papers that's still in business and speaking about business,
Elon Musk the wealthiest guy on the planet and immune
from the class warfare arguments. He's a minimalist. He doesn't

(14:15):
own all kinds of stuff and things. I mean, you
see these billionaires in there, five hundred million dollar yachts
floating around the world, and you're thinking like, wow, uh okay,
but that's not Elon Musk. He almost He like thrives
on minimalism and that's part of his business strategy and
what made him so successful. Am I right?

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Yeah, You're totally right. That's a very good iye on
your part. You know, my book offers eleven lessons of Elon.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
That fuel his success and that maybe we could use
to build a better life.

Speaker 8 (14:45):
And lesson number two is reduce, reduce, reduce.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
And that's what he's doing a doge.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
That's what he did at Twitter, cutting eighty percent of
staff in about two weeks. That's what he does in
the Tesla car where he tells engineers to take out
so many parts, reducing it that it can't run. They
got to put something back in. So the Tesla has
about ten thousand parts in the ford, as I think
it's thirty or forty thousand parts in a ford, and
so that runs across. He sold all his homes, six homes,

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for like one hundred and twenty million dollars, and he.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Believes in minimis lifestyle.

Speaker 8 (15:18):
At the same time, once that guy moved into mar
Alago for a few weeks with Trump, I imagine Trump
was wondering, is he ever going to leave? He does
stay in the lap of luxury with friends.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Well, with friends, they've invited him into their multimillion hour
of dollar homes. Not his. Yea, he lives in a
tiny house, doesn't he is? Does he own?

Speaker 8 (15:37):
It's this forty thousand dollars foldable house that he rents
that SpaceX bought from this company that specializes in it,
and it's a you know, it's just a tiny little thing.
And when he's in town for SpaceX launches and stuff,
he'll stay there.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, and as you you point out in the book,
he adheres to this eighty twenty rule. The perception is
that eighty percent of the work done by twenty percent
of the staff, which he proved when he acquired X
And in his motivation for acquiring it, I don't think
was to make himself any better or anything, but it
was in the name of freedom of speech, which he
holds dearly.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
But getting rid of that was the most amazing thing, Brian,
because this guy's an adopted American, right, you know that
that a third of America Americans, they believe that hate
speech is so bad that it's more important to prevent
hate speech and stop it than it is to have
free speech. And another third of Americans not sure.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
That's terrible.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
But Elon Musk, because he is an adopted American, he
has the zeal of the convert right, and he loves
the First Amendment and lesson six in my book, it's
one lesson per chapter is free speech is everything stand
up and be heard. Not enough of us stood up
and pushed back when the nation was tilted toward craziness

(16:54):
for the last four years or even longer if you
want to trace back to Obama in the eight years
there and free speech and he really believes in it,
and it's cost him dearly. You have no other entrepreneur
Brian puts billions of dollars of his own money into
a new venture. That's that's for other people to do that.
You use other people's money. But he took I think
it was twenty five billion of the forty four billion

(17:16):
he paid for Twitter came out of his own pocket.
And it was down sixty percent after a year, and
all the media said he's destroying it. And today don't
you think it's one of the most important media platforms
in the world.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
It is.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
And we just had a terrible illustration of the of
why you I mean, we need to protect free speech.
And all speech is protected in the United States, including
idiot Nazis on a bridge and Evendell here locally, and
you know, you got to defend the rights of individuals
to peaceably congregate as well as has spread their message.
But the great thing about that is when you have

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free speech and people espouse craziness, you can call them
out on it. And the left, in their right their
constant narrative that they're right and all of these woke
ideological rules are right, and that's the only thing that
can be projected prevents alternative thought from being interjected into
the exchange. So logic and reason can rule today. So

(18:09):
you got to put up with stupid messages. But that's
where you find out where the stupid people.

Speaker 8 (18:14):
Are exactly, And instead of trying to limit and muzzle
bad speech, simply drown it out with more of your own,
really really good.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Speech, you know.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
I mean, it's just awful that are politicians on both
sides of the parties.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
You know, there's the Twitter files.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
I was the journalist with more than thirty years the
biggest scandal I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, and
the Twitter files, And I wonder, where the hell is
the media? Why aren't they more upset about this? I
did more columns on the Twitter files and the scandal
of government suppression of the First Amendment rights of thousands
and millions of people. I did more stories than the
New York Times in Washington Posts combined. And then you

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see what they're doing with dough and you see millions
of dollars in payments to journalistic outfit. I think they
said to something like six thousand journalists getting some kind
of money from USAID. And you suddenly wonder where you
bought off? Is that why you said nothing didn't care. No,
they didn't care because it was conservative speech. But the
Trump administration Brian. They requested during their reign the fifty

(19:17):
five hundred accounts be silenced. So Republicans and Democrats alike
will stifle speech if we let them, if I let them.
Elon Musk has just blown a huge hole in that
effort to stifle speech.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Dennis Near, the author the leadership genius of Elon Musk,
I think, if I could read the concept of this
book correctly, you wrote it not just for everybody, but
it seems that you wrote it for entrepreneurs, business people,
folks that are trying to improve the function of their
own business and bring about some greater success for themselves.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
Bingo, absolutely, because I really think even though he operates
at a huge scale, there are lessons you can learn.
You know, always bet on yourself and double down. He
kept doing that again and again and again. It's better
to launch and burn, yeah, than it is never to
launch at all. Find one failure.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
So there's a lot of advice there for anybody trying
to build a better career or build a company.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, and I'm glad you brought up it's better to
launch than burn and burn than never to launch at all.
Because I was going to ask you about that, Elon Musk.
You know, the the rockets always didn't always fly, you know,
sometimes you send one up and it crashes and burns
to the ground. Now, some might take experienced shot and
freuda because they don't like Elon Musk for some reason.
But he always seemed to take it and stride. He
would chuckle about it and use that as a learning

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opportunity exactly.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
You know, you have you know, I had a devastating
I was fired from Fox Business Network in fifteen minutes. Notice,
security guard escorted me out out of the office. You'll
pick up We'll ship your stuff to you. I mean,
it was devastating. It was as if I'd slept with
the president's wife or something at the network. And how
you even recover from that, you know, it's kind of tough.

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And I forgot where I was going with that, Brian,
in terms of the outcome that came out of that.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Actually I forgot that.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Point well ahead. You didn't stop. You had a bump
in the road, you know, And I tell you, in
my life, the worst things that happened to me have
turned out to be the most beneficial things. You're like,
you know, I dated this girl in college and I
thought I was in love with her. It didn't work
out in law and behold, I ended up meeting my
now ofilly thirty three years in June wife in law school,

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and I was like, man, I look back, and I think,
how miserable would I be as a human being had
that quote relationships quote unquote worked out.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
We have to learn that even in the most horrible
things that happened to us in our lives, good.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
Things can come out of them.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
When I got escorted out of that building, I met
a few days later with the CEO and I told
him the thing is, I feel awful because I feel
like I failed.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
And he said to me, you haven't failed, you learned.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
And that's exactly.

Speaker 8 (21:52):
How Elon looks at every failure.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
You know, the space that's.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Took, you know, a couple dozen explosions covered heavily in press,
laughing at him, making fun of them, and every time
they gained thousands of new insights and made hundreds of
changes to the next iteration. Just fix it on a fly,
keep going, keep going, and just I love that about him. Yeah,
the guy could have left after his first twenty five
million dollar score, and he just kept going.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
He kept going. And now that's the last best hope
for those stranded astronauts. Apparently we need to rely on
Elon Musk to get him back because apparently Bone's not
capable of doing it. Now, I want you to dive
on into this because some people may not know this
about Elon Musk, but his philosophy of life drives a
lot of his decision making. And so let's talk about this.

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All may be fake, so just go for it.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yes, I love this part.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
And the publisher, the wonderful Harper Collins Broadside Books, kind
of warned me, you know, you may not want to
lead with that because it's so weird. But Elon truly
believes I think he truly believes this. That the odds
are billions to one in favor of the idea that
right now, even as we speak, we are living inside
one or more massive computer simulations operated by someone else,
somewhere else, maybe in another time.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
And at the more I.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Started to look into this, the more I came to
things that it's actually quite plausible. Yes, exactly like the
matrix I mean, if we look at how pong and
this is the explanation.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
Elon uses me.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Look at pong, two little paddles and a ball and
a black screen against it. I played against and that
was only fifty years ago. And you look at where
we are now, where you're down in the three d Mays,
and it looks so super realistic. The thought that ten
thousand years from now you could have a simulation so good.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
You don't even know it.

Speaker 8 (23:37):
That's entirely believable. But then you think that the Earth.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Is almost four billion years old, that.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
Means you have something like four hundred thousand different sets
of ten thousand years. Well, really, in four hundred thousand
different chances of ten thousand years, we've never made it
to that advance thing. It's only in the next ten
thousand years that we'll get there.

Speaker 9 (23:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Maybe it is a little simulated, But then what it
does for us is if you think it might be plausible,
was that you live louder, you love out loud, you
take that job that you're too afraid to take because
there's too much risk there. You say that thing in
a meeting because you're feeling like everyone's going in the
wrong direction because you no longer are going to stay
clients because what the heck?

Speaker 6 (24:19):
It all may be a game anyway.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, that's a real wild way of looking at it,
you know. And it's one of my favorite quotes. And
it's interesting because I just put it up the other
day because one of my friends had said, what's your
favorite quote? I said, twenty years from now, you'll be
more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by
the ones you did. So throw off the bow line,
sail away from the safe harbor, catch the trade winds
in your sales, Explore, dream, discover from the famous Mark Twain.

(24:43):
And I've kind of tried to live by that philosophy
of my life and sounds to me like Elon Musks
as well, and I have before we part company. That
fascinating conversation and just a fascinating man he is. And
I appreciate you writing this book as a you know,
sort of a guideline for folks in business, most notably
but going back to Starlink and how massive the growth is.

(25:03):
And I think that desire to build this independent satellite
network also springs from his embracing freedom and liberty, you know,
Verizon or the government might flip the switch and shut
your cell phone off. But there's Elon Musk with a backup,
sure enough.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
And you know, I think he sees a synergy among
these businesses that the rest of us don't see. You know,
the Startlink satellite network. Brian guides in Tesla cars, right,
and then his EXAI engine ends up ingesting all of
the data from Tesla cars. It's able to ingest the
six thousand tweets put up every second on the X

(25:41):
platform and get smarter and smarter and smarter. He's got
the Olympus robot inside Tesla where one day you might
be able to take an arm from the Olympus robot,
attach it to an amputee and with the brain chip
company's got neuralink, you know, the ampute could operate the
arm just by thinking about it. And you know we
think that, oh, he wants to chip for a quadrant pleague.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
It's no, no.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
He thinks in twenty years, thirty years, millions of us
well walking around with these chips in our heads to
talk faster to AI. So it all fits together, and
it's just an incredible vision that really he has no
right to have it all.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
It's just absolutely crazy.

Speaker 8 (26:18):
And yet if you were playing a video game, you'd say, well,
what the heck, why not?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah? All that frightens the hell out of me. Though,
I got to be honest with you, Dennis, I like
be sad if it were a game.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
You know, I feel like this is life, this is real.
Tomorrow we'll right.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Here, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I couldn't agree more on that component, but just the
idea that all that data is being gathered up, and
I'm a privacy fan. I hate the hoovering up of data.
That's why I recommend my listeners data hell away from TikTok.
Is that just benefits the Chinese Communist Party, and they're
hoovering up of data, but at least knowing who Elon
Musk is and this doesn't offer me is much comfort.
But he seems to be wanting that data to advance

(26:57):
and help us, as opposed to use against us, which
is the antithesis of what tiktoks difference.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
And now he's being demonized like crazy by the media,
by the Democrats, by Rhino Republicans, and suddenly Kee's publican
I mean number one, even more so than Trump and
they're just trying to take him down.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
What are they so afraid of?

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Why don't we all step back and just take a
gander and watch what this guy does. I mean, you know,
if it is a simulation, you don't make a simulation
for boring outcomes, right. Elon has another lesson lesson eleven.
My book is is you know, the most the most
likely outcome in life is the most entertaining, one of
the most ironic and opposite of what you expected.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
And look how entertaining life is.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Ventilately Oh my goodness, this it has.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
We live in interesting times and he makes them far
more interesting. And he's the best troll on the internet
when it comes to cowing out his clothes at Dennis
Neil a real pleasure having on the morning shore. Thank
you for spending time by listeners to me this morning.
Your book is now available on my blog page fifty
five Krsey dot com The leadership genius of Elon Musk.
If you're a business person, get a copy, but everyone's

(28:01):
welcome to read it and learn by it. Thank you
for putting it on pay for Dennis, It's been a
real pleasure. Eight five Here at fifty five Carecy you
talk station. A very happy Friday to you intrigued about
this book. I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five
Cassey Morning Show doctor Charles Kamara, author of the book
We're going to be talking about Mission out of Control
and Astronaut's Odyssey to fix high risk organizations and prevent tragedy.

(28:24):
He is, as the book suggests, and astronaut. What a
cool thing to say. You are research engineer and venor author, educator,
Internationally recognized expert and invited speaker on subjects regarding engineering, engineering, design, innovation, safety,
organizational behavior and education. He's got more than sixty technical publications,
hold nine patents, and over twenty national and international awards.

(28:45):
That could go on for hours on his background. He
retired from NASA and May twenty nineteen after forty five
years of continuous research. As our continuous service as a
research engineer technical manager at Langley Research Center, who's Director
of Engineering at Johnson Space Center, Senior Advisor for Innovation
and Engineering and Development at Langley. Welcome to the Morning Show,
Doctor Kimarta. It is a pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Good morning, Briant. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean, I got it. Being an astronaut. To me,
that's just fascinating, and you probably won't. You're a very
small slice of the entire population. I'm just kind of
wondering whether you would rather be referred to as astronaut
doctor Charles Kermonda or doctor Astronaut Charles Kermona, because I
would always want to put that in when I was
introducing myself.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
You know, Brian, most people call me Charlie.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
There you go, well, Charles mission, out of control, astronauts,
honesty to fit the high risk organization and prevent tragedy.
First off, what I think I have an understanding as
to why what prompted you to write this book before
we start talking about what the book is intended to do.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
Well, as you.

Speaker 11 (29:50):
Said, I worked for NASSA for over forty five years
and it was an amazing organization when I was a
young researcher at Mass aligned with but it changed it
watched it way. We stopped doing real applied research. We
started becoming a production organization, especially on the human space
flight side, and we started just looking at operating vehicles

(30:12):
and flying them in space, and we lost our touch
with our research routs and we lost our capability to
actually understand when we had critical problems.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
So am I correct to understand? You were on the
team that led the investigation why the Columbia Space shuttle
blew up.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Well, I didn't lead the team. I led one of
the teams that was investigating the technical cause of the problem,
and that was the impact. And we use some of
my good friends Matt Mellis and some of Kelly Carney
and some of the great people at Glenn Research Center
right there in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, Well, when I was reading through the materials, I
did write Boeing down here because Boeing has been plagued
with problems. They make the planes, but they don't you know,
like for example, what they are pilots know, they change
the software they have, you know, the poor performance in
terms of manufacturing. They have a product, but they have
breakdowns in manufacturing that obviously can lead and have led

(31:14):
to the loss of life. Is that sort of an
illustration of the of the like a company to whom
you would focus this book or directed their attention to
this book.

Speaker 11 (31:24):
Absolutely, a lot of companies.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
It's a very similar problem.

Speaker 11 (31:28):
Because what we learned after the Columbia accident was that
the primary cause of the of the of the accident
was the culture. And what you saw after the seven
point thirty seven MAX accidents with Boeing is they came
to the same conclusion. Boeing lost this way, just like
National loss this way, technical excellence was no longer and

(31:48):
safety were no longer the key primary focus of the organization.
It got bobbed down with the bottom line, market share
profits very similar but different reasons, became very focused on
production schedule and budget and keeping the programs alive, and

(32:11):
it's become a loaded bureaucracy. And what I realized, what
I learned in the research writing the book, is that
what other people missed was there's a difference between technical excellence,
technical people, good engineers, and what I called research engineers.
And so I described the elements that make up a
good research, a good learning organization like what Boeing used

(32:34):
to be, just like NASA was, and how that could
lead to a very toxiculture which becomes psychologically unsafe. People
are afraid to speak up, and then bad things happened
and the accidents recur, just like Challenger and Columbia.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, you mentioned bottom line profit share and market share
and profit all being primary drivers and to the exclusion
of perhaps this intense focus on prep safety. But on
a similar note, I kind of think that maybe, like
if you look at DEI departments, they're focused on culture,
and they're focused on social issues and issues that transcend

(33:12):
any given companies primary focus, which would be should be
providing a quality product and or service to their customers.
Is that another form of sort of a lack of
focus or improper direction that we could point to.

Speaker 11 (33:27):
Well, diversity is good, right, It helps us create, It
helps us come with very innovative solutions. But DEI and
quotas and getting away from merit talkers. Yeah, you know,
a good research organization is knowledge is key, and you
have deference to the people that have that expertise, and
you always have to develop those skills and maintain those standards.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Well, are you concerned about the state of education in
the United States because we seem to be turning out
young people who just are taught to the test, but
not taught to critically think. I mean, it's one of
the reasons why I love law school so much, because
it was a socratic method that back and forth and
that delving down and looking into and analyzing, you know,

(34:11):
in that particular case, different areas of law, but it
was a wonderful teaching method. We don't seem to be
teaching children logic and reason anymore? Is there a shortage
of that? Is that part of the cultural problem here?

Speaker 11 (34:23):
You're absolutely correct. When I was reassigned at mathif was
speaking up, I started diving into how do we train
our young engineers and education in general around the United States.
As a matter of fact, I started a five O
one to three C educational nonprofit clots called the Ethic
Education Foundation, where we used a challenge based learning approach.

(34:43):
And yeah, absolutely correct. Lawyers do this. They think critically,
they look at all different sides of an argument, and
you have this free environment where you could have this discourse.
You can have these disagreements, but you relied on the
facts and the knowledge, and the knowledge was verified by
tests and analysis.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, So in in a corporate environment, moving away from
you know, lawyers, you know talking and advocating on behalf
of their clients and sort of thinking around the different
challenges they face. But in a corporate environment, I think
you alluded to it earlier. People have this reluctance to
hold their hand and say no, no, that's a dumb
idea because of the you know, am I going to
lose my job? Am I going to embarrass my boss?

(35:25):
I can't do that. I'm not going to be the
one that cheeks up.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
That's exactly what you're talking about, a psychological safety. Amianmenson
wrote a book to Feel This organization about this, and
I talk about this in my book how in a
real a true research culture, a true research environment. This
is this is absolutely critical. And so when I spoke
about my book and culture to the senior executives at

(35:50):
Boeing and I told them how ugly the culture was
and the environment was at NASA's they they their eyes
were wide open. But people will come up to me
and saying, you know what, Charlie, the culture is worse
at Boeing. And I didn't believe them. But that was
six months before the first of the first Yon air crash.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Of seven thirty seven, and.

Speaker 11 (36:12):
Then six months later you had the Ethiopian Allins crash
and the body cell out of Boeing. And so what
I was trying to tell the Bowie senior executives after
the seven thirty seven crash was that you need to
listen to your people. People are telling you there are
major problems, but their voices are being muted and they're
being canceled.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, part of me, let me ask you this, sir.
And then again, I guess is astronaut doctor Charles kamarda
Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High
Risk Organizations and Prevent Tragedies?

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Sort of?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
The subtitles suggests high risk organizations? Who did you write
the book for? Was it for the public at large?
Are you focusing on, you know, corporate culture and your
leaders and executives within companies.

Speaker 11 (36:57):
Originally I focused on it as a way to help
fix massive but what I realized was when NASA wasn't listening,
there were many organizations that have this very similar problem.
And so the second half of the book I talk
about ways that we could fix this problem, how we
could use technology, how we could to train people differently,
how we can build what I call these five key

(37:18):
principles of a research culture.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, I guess there's probably, you know, using Boeing as
an illustration and NASA's an illustration, I would imagine there
is a different mindset among the employees that in the
private sector. Yeah, you run the risk of losing your job.
You run the risk of getting fired for incompetence. But
I would think in a government environment, you're less likely

(37:43):
to face any well penalty for maybe not doing work
or for maybe causing a problem or something. There's a
sort of a protection element in government jobs. It seems
to not exist in the private sector. Is a distinction
between them, And along the lines of what you're talking about, it's.

Speaker 11 (38:05):
Not really because you know, I spoke up after I
flew in space. I became director of engineering, and when
I saw problems with safety, I spoke up in a
flight readiness review and I was reassigned three days later.
So if you can imagine an astronaut being silenced, it
can happen to anyone. And while you don't might lose

(38:25):
your job, you might lose your position, you might lose
your voice, and you're placed in a terrible situation where
you no longer can do the job that you loved.
People will not treat you the same because you're no
longer you're a piranha, you're a pariah persona non grata.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Fair enough, well, doctor, Obviously, in the book, you identify
the general concepts we're talking about the problem that we face,
and I presume that you offer an outline solutions to
these problems, practical solutions that people in the business world
can incorporate.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (39:05):
I have key things for leaders to look for signs
that the culture is going awry. I talk about technical
use of technology to help us identify when an individual team,
because it only takes one small team to be dysfunctional,
like the team that was working on the ownings or

(39:26):
the team that was analyzing the impact of foam on Columbia.
You have one dysfunctional team and it could cause a tragedy.
So I highlight several ideas for how do you build
a psychologically safe environment, a knowledge based hier rocky where
you encourage people to fail and learn by failure, and

(39:48):
how you're transparent, how you share information openly and you
encourage competing ideas.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I love the sound of it. It sounds practical and
logical and reasonable to me. Doctor Charles Kamarta, author of
Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High
Risk Organization to Prevent Tragedy. Doctor, we have your book
on my blog page fifty five carsee dot com. It
sounds to me like there's a lot of business owners
out there in my audience it would love to get
a copy of this, and I'm sure they will thank

(40:15):
you for spending time with my listeners and I today
and identifying this problem so we can work on solutions.
Sir eight O five fifty five car Se Detox Station,
A very happy Wednesday to you. Bottom of the hour,
Judge enter of Politana every Wednesday at eight thirty in
the meantime, I love it when people speak truth to power,
especially to people who have him such an impressive background.

(40:36):
My next guy, doctor James Thorpe. It's a board certified obstetrician, gynecologist,
maternal fetal medicine physician with more than forty four years
of obstetrical experience. He saw over twenty seven thousand, five
hundred high risk pregnancies in four and a half years
while serving one of the largest Catholic health systems, that's
SSM Health in Saint Louis. Doctor Thorpe currently the Chief

(40:58):
of Maternal and pre Natal Health at the Wellness Company.
He served as a reviewer for major medical journals on
the Board of Directors of the Society of Maternal Field Medicine,
as an examiner for the American Board of Obstetrics and
Gynecology serves a US Air Force as a obstetrician. Gynecologists
testified in the US Senate under two administrations. He's active
in clinical research, with approximately two hundred and seventy five publications,

(41:22):
of which seventy are COVID nineteen related. He is the
author of the book we're going to talk about, and
the name of it is Sacrificed. How the deadliest vaccine
in history targeted the most vulnerable Doctor James Thorpe, It
is a distinct pleasure to have you on the fifty
five KRC Morning Show.

Speaker 10 (41:37):
Brian, thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Well, the more we talk about, the more we learn,
the more congressional investigations unfold, the more we learn about
COVID nineteen, how it was approved, and the edicts and mandates,
the shutdowns and everything that we had to suffer through
during the COVID nineteen quote unquote pandemic. I guess you
realized at some point, since you're a obe jin, that

(42:01):
this vaccine was having a profound impact on and causing
complications like miscarriages, still bursts, and a lot of other
problems from the shots and this was among people and
I know you point this out in your book, young
people who really were not vulnerable to succumbing to the disease.
When did you start noticing a correlation, sir.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
Well in early two thousand. I knew that they had
targeted pregnant women. I knew that by their actions and
where they were going on, by the history when it.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Was rolled out.

Speaker 10 (42:35):
After it was rolled out in twenty twenty one, I
noticed disasters, obstetrical disasters like I've never seen now in
almost forty six years of practice.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
You say targeted. That suggests, you know, a sort of
a nefarious motive. If this is going to happen, If
these these complications, and they're pretty profound ones were no
own to the so called powers that be, what point
would there be to force these vaccines recognizing the harm
that they were.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Going to do.

Speaker 10 (43:08):
Right, ninety nine percent of the people that pushed the vaccine,
in the government, the hospitals, the pharmacies, they're ignorant and
they didn't know the agenda. But this is a sinister, evil,
global go, globalist agenda from the Oral Health Organization. All
the research was there, these vaccines, alleged vaccines failed miserable,

(43:33):
miserably in animal studies, killing and injuring a lot of animals.
These shots were never fit for human use.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh my god, half my listening audience is now gasping
in disbelief because I got the vaccine. You know, my god,
what has it done to me?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
You were outspoken on this while this was unfolding, while
the vaccine mandates were in place. Did it fall on
deaf ears? I know you suffered with some repercussis you
lost your situation over this?

Speaker 10 (44:03):
Well, listen, Brian. The three major governing bodies of the
entire world of obgyn are three American organizations, the American
College and Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American Board of Obstetrics
and Gynecology, and the Society for Maternal Field Medicine. They
were all bought off and bribed from the Department of

(44:24):
Health and Human Services in early twenty twenty one. And
by the way, all the hospitals were too. And this
is not speculation, this has proven fact. My research team
has published this. So they threatened sixty thousand obgyn doctors
with their licenses and their accreditations if they didn't follow

(44:45):
the lockstep narrative of AJHS CBC.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Again, is this like for the purposes of population control?
I mean that immediately comes to mind because I know
there's a lot of rumor mills out there that the
global want to reduce the population in the world.

Speaker 10 (45:04):
Well, I can't speak to somebody's heart and somebody's motive,
but I think there's very strong evidence as this was
rolled out by the Department of Defense, This was worked
on from twenty ten onwards, with proven with patents and
with publications. But I think that the clue of the

(45:27):
globalists have had a depopulation agenda for over fifty years,
and every administration has vocalized that publicly.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
So this is right. I mean, this is this global
reality and the fact that these vaccines are rolled out
across the globe and given to people, you know, very
young people and of course pregnant women. This is like,
I mean, it reminds me so much of like a
mango experimentation, but like this was a sort of a

(45:57):
global genocide kind of thing. I mean, I'm having a difficulty.
I'm processing this, this stark reality that you were presenting
to my listening audience, and that is in your book Sacrifice.

Speaker 10 (46:08):
It's very stark, and it's an abomination. It's a spiritual battle.
This was planned and yes, over it's experts estimate over
a million Americans who were killed and another thirty three
million were injured, many of them severely. Globally, you're looking
at over six hundred million global citizens who were killed

(46:34):
or injured, and that's from pretty good data. Birth Rates
are declining in every country.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yes they are, even China. I know, we're always concerned
about the Chinese Communist Party. However, their birth rates are
dropping precipitously as well. When you were, when you were
noticing this and you're, you know, rolling out your findings
and your conclusions about the COVID nineteen vaccine, you were
almost a lone voice in the wilderness. Did you have
conversation with fellow ob jens and were they seeing the

(47:02):
same thing, and did they have any explanation for why
they they too, weren't outspoken and against this.

Speaker 10 (47:08):
I did, and they were noticing it, many of them were.
But really understand, Brian, that the government rolled out trillions
of dollars to bribe every single thread of the fabric
of our society. Now we're talking about hospitals, every hospital

(47:29):
was given an under the table quid pro quoa contract
that they with millions of dollars. SSM help that fired
me received three hundred and six point nine million dollars,
and they were charged with the responsibility of enforcing that
in all of their employees, including their physicians and their patients,
and if they didn't, they would have to pay that

(47:50):
three hundred and six point nine million dollars back.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Seems so difficult. I didn't think money negated the hippocratic
oath doctor.

Speaker 10 (48:00):
It does. And you know, I have more respect now
for many other professionals or trade individuals. I have much
more respect for attorneys now than I do physicians. I've
lost all my respect for physicians. They were all abought.
You never break the gold in the rule of pregnancy.

(48:20):
And I don't care that the American College of Obstetricians
and Gytecologists dribe sixty thousand obgyn doctors. I don't care
about that. That's no excuse. Your hipocratic oath is sacred.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Well, that was my understanding. Always do no harm now
it also it seems to me destroying an element of
the practice of medicine generally speaking. You know you're supposed
to be a diagnostician, and you're supposed to exercise your
medical expertise and come up with perhaps alternative solutions to
the one solution that's being offered. And I know ivermectin

(48:56):
was pooh poohed by a lot, and we found out
that that actually had some positive effects on people, and
they would even fill ivermectin prescriptions at pharmacies. Pharmacies wouldn't
do it because I guess for the same reasons you're
articulating now, they were worried about losing their pharmacy license.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
Yes, absolutely, we published an article six months ago my
research team, including a very sharp crack attorney Maggie Thorpe
JD and Yes, GDS and Walgreens took over two billion
dollars to push the draconian COVID nineteen narratives, to push

(49:33):
the vaccines and to gaslight and not fill prescriptions from
physicians for ivermectin or for hydroxy clerkland. And by the way, Brian,
we've been using hydroxy clerk wind in pregnancy, recommended by
the FDA for over forty five years of political practice.

(49:55):
I've used it in women that have autown indices, so
it's been used in all trimesters and breastfeeding women safely
for half a century.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Wow, And then going back to being the diagnostician me,
off label use of drugs occurs all the time, and
that's sort of what it would be. I know it's
for this, but we're going to try it out on
COVID nineteen because some of the research suggests it can
be beneficial. We know it's safe for you because we've
been prescribing this medication for decades, and why not give
it a shot. I mean, physicians do that every single day,

(50:25):
with the exception of this.

Speaker 10 (50:29):
You're one hundred percent correct.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Doctor Thorpe. I guess do you feel in any way
vindicated with the research that's coming out which confirms everything
you're telling my listening audience this morning that you document
and document in the book Sacrifice.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
I feel vindicated, but it's not about me. I feel
I knew I was right from the beginning. It was
anybody could have done the same research I did. I
looked at primarily Pfizer data, in government data. It's yeah,
I feel vindicated, but this is a horrible tragedy because

(51:06):
the death and the destruction in the most vulnerable patients.
My patients globally pregnant women, preborns, and newborns that can
never be taken back, and that hurts. I'm an mpath
and I have suffered greatly in living through this, and
I'll take it to my grave.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Well, we testified in twenty twenty two with Senator Ron Johnson.
Was it on this topic? And if so, I guess
I'm kind of wondering what the reaction from the senators
you were speaking with was they did they dismiss your
conclusions and your findings because your background is remarkable. I mean,
no one can criticize your street credibility with all. I mean,
you reviewed major medical journals when you were with the

(51:48):
Society of Maternal Feet of Medicine and with American Board
of Obstetrics and Gynecology. Obviously they had a large measure
of respect for you. You wouldn't have reached those lofty positions.

Speaker 10 (51:58):
Correct The Senator round Johnson and the Senate received very well.
And that's exactly what I testified on in my wheelhouse.
I testified on the catastrophic effects on the COVID nineteen
alleged vaccine in pregnancy. Absolutely, it was well received well.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
In terms of in this you were talking about, you know,
the fetuses, and when the woman who's carrying the babies
you got the vaccine. Obviously that impacts the fetus. Have
you been following the broader impacts, because it seems right
after COVID got real COVID nineteen vaccine I rolled out,
we've got a bunch of young people in eighteen nineteen
twenty year olds collapsing and having massive heart attacks and

(52:42):
other complications. Is there a corollarya between the vaccine and
those incidents?

Speaker 10 (52:46):
Absolutely, yes, you know, and I think that many different
experts and experts with very varied fields of expertiefs have
shown that from many different angles the data is irrefutable.
Now there's been an avalanche of data. It's a disaster,

(53:07):
but the band plays on as on the Titanic sinking.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, well we'll have we got bird flu to worry
about now. So there's going to be a bird flu
vaccine rolling out and we need to go I see,
and that this I think probably did a lot of
damage to the medical profession, of course, and into the
credibility of our government officials. We find all this out
late in the game, knowing now as we do with
the documents and the information that's been produced that they
knew about these complications and problems and yet forced it

(53:33):
on us. Anyway, if something else really comes down the road,
another legitimate, you know, pandemic, and let's say they had
a safe vaccine for it, I think a lot of
folks are going to take a pass on it because
their credibility has been shot to hell.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
Absolutely, and you know it should be. And listen, we've
won the battle in the sense of you know, last year, Brian, listen,
one percent of the American people, one percent of the
American people took actually took the COVID nineteen vaccine. They
knew all of these daily ad blitzes from our government

(54:09):
were lives. So but this is how the government in
the history, in world history, this is how the government
gains control of the population by fear tactics. I'm on
the board of directors of the Wellness Company. The Wellness
Company is a parallel healthcare system, and we are combatting

(54:31):
this H five and one or the avan flu that's
a gain of function. They've been doing gain of function
research and we have medications that are combating this. This
is a company, a privately owned company, it's doing remarkably well.
We have several medical kits that will provide at home

(54:55):
life saving prescription drugs, stockpile at home that you need
because your government doesn't care about killing you or injuring you.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
It's just, you know, it's one of those things, Doctor Thorpe,
you just really find so impossible to believe. And you
think the powers that be that they don't have your
best interests at heart, and they're willing to engage in this, well,
I would call mass genocide for their own personal viewpoints,
of their own personal gain. I'm just shocked and in
awe about this, Doctor James Thorp, again, thank you so

(55:28):
much for speaking truth to power on this and I'll
encourage my listeners. And I know you've already probably sold
a few books while we were talking. Sacrifice, How the
deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable by doctor
James Thorp, my guest today. God bless you, sir, and
I appreciate what you got. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 10 (55:45):
I just say that every dime of this book is
being matched by the Wellness Company in a five oh
one C three and every single dime will go to
those vaccine injured COVID nineteen vaccine injured. Thank you so
much much for having me on, Brian.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
My true pleasure, Doctor James Thorpe. It's like making a
charitable contribution and you get a book in return, So
go ahead and do that, folks. It'll be available right
there at fifty five cars dot Com. Joe's got a
link to the book already. Thanks you again, doctor James Thorpe.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Joining the fifty five CASEE Morning Show. Frank Abrams a
criminal defense attorney in North Carolina as well as Florida's
practiced in federal state criminal law for thirty eight plus years.
He's been on public radio and court TV, and he
is an author and today we're welcoming to the fifty
five Cars Morning Show to talk about his book, The
Cock Fight. And I observe Frank, and it's a pleasure

(56:35):
to have you on the program. It's been long stated
the law holds it as better the ten guilty persons
escape than one innocent suffer. I'm a firm believer in that,
and there was a time in my life, Frank, that
I believed in the death penalty. But as I've gotten
coming older and wiser and having practice litigation for sixteen years.
I am painfully aware of the fact that quite often,
well maybe not often, but sometimes innocent people are convicted.

(56:59):
And if the state has the ability to take your
life from you, that's a scary proposition. Welcome Frank, Sorry
for being long winded.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Oh no, it's an honor and a pleasure, and you
are one hundred percent on point, Brian. So can I
tell you a little bit about how this book came about?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Absolutely, Plus explain the title for my listeners so they
understand the relationship.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Okay, the title of the book is The cock Fight.
So one day I'm sitting at federal court. This is
a few years back, and it comes to my attention
and the attention that's some other attorneys that there's a
Kentucky crime lab that has been mishandling DNA. So, Brian,

(57:44):
I thought to myself, what could go wrong there? So
that's when I started.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Yeah, that's when I.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Started writing the book. It gets even better, but I
started writing the book. The main character of my book
is a teacher of the Year who's falsely accused of
a relationship with a student, loses everything he has and
is living under a bridge with homeless people. Now, why

(58:13):
is it called the cock fight? The answer is because
every third Friday of the month under this bridge they
have cock fights. Why because the basis of the book
is they treat animals the same way fighting roosters the
same way they treat people. They make them mean and

(58:34):
angry towards each other, and then they make money in
the whole unholy process.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I'm glad you pointed out the money thing, because I
had that line in the notes circled for this reason, because,
as you know from my comments introducing you, having practice
litigation and eight years in Chicago and eight years in
house with a healthcare company, I know how expensive retaining
a lawyer is. I mean outrageous amounts of money. You're

(59:02):
talking several hundred at minimum dollars an hour. And if
you get falsely accused of a crime or accused of
a crime, generally speaking, you have to get a defense
attorney unless you rely on the public defender. And I
will welcome your observations about the competency of the Public
Defender's office, but they tend to be overwhelmed with a
number of cases they had so to get competent counsel.

(59:23):
It's coming out of your pocket. And for those the
moneys that don't have a lot of money, it's an
impossible chore.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Abbssolutely.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Public.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Defender's offices across the country are utterly overwhelmed. They don't
have the time, they don't have the resources. But this
even gets better because yesterday in the news came out
a story that a crime lab analyst altered DNA evidence

(59:58):
in hundreds of care in Colorado. Yesterday's news, it's like
they knew, Brian, that I was going to be interviewed
by you today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
It's like they knew why. And no, the timing is excellent,
Frank Butt, Why would they do that?

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Well, here's the thing I wrote. I wrote in my
book of the story of this teacher's fight to clear
his name and all that he has to go through.
And in it, I have a hearing and a trial
and there's eight potential eight reasons, eight things more than
eight actually that can go wrong, and a lot of

(01:00:39):
it has to do with time elements. These lab analysts
are told, we want these results, we want them now.
There's hundreds and hundreds of cases they'll fudge results. There's
evidence in that particular case, she was indicted for over
a hundred plus cases that she dealt with. You know,

(01:01:02):
I can't say why people do things, but I know
this that it happens. And when the system, when someone's
life and someone's freedom is at stake, there has to
be more than just oh, well, we have this test
and we're going to absolutely rely on the results of

(01:01:23):
this test.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
That's a great point, Frank. I think there's a sort
of perhaps it's a you know, presumably a government employee
or some lab They don't have any relationship to defend it.
Maybe there's a presumption of guilt because they've been charged,
so they have a lack of care and concern that
they should sort of put themselves in the position of
the person who's a defendant and do the job correctly

(01:01:44):
and be able to testify on the stand that everything
every eye was dotted and tea was crossed, because lives
are at stake here. But it's like taxpayer dollars. You know,
the government doesn't care where the dollars come from. They
don't have any incentive to be, you know, mindful of
where the money's going because they have this open spigot,
and that creates well, lack of care and concern. Same

(01:02:05):
kind of parallel.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Boy, Brian, have you hit it? And let me say that,
let me say this you want to talk about, you know,
they talk about weaponizing the justice Department against you know people.
If you want to see the weaponization of the justice point,
you ought to see how it's been weaponized against regular
people and people who just can't afford to pay for

(01:02:28):
expensive attorneys, and people who just don't have the resources.
And now, of course we're in days of budgetary restraint,
as we always have. So you know, good luck getting
the court to approve money and say things like, well,
you know, we're going to go ahead and do another test,
even though you've already had a test and your results

(01:02:51):
have been tested in my book, the individual asks for
another test, but it's rejected. It's rejected, and in federal
courts they have something across the country called rocket dockets,
and so it's like this, well, guess what, we don't
have time to do another test. There's not going to

(01:03:14):
be the money given to do another test, and guess what,
you don't be in trial on Monday.

Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
So so you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
See, yeah, yeah, yeah, well in this system, I didn't
practice I didn't practice criminal law, and I understand where
you're coming from though, because you know, when you're preparing
for a trial, you have a lot of work on
your plate, and when and you're a criminal defendant, a
criminal defense attorney, you know again your client's life is

(01:03:44):
in your hands. I dealt with money matters, and of
course that really is significant to your client, but lives
aren't at stake, and so I feel for you, Frank,
I really do. In the book It's the Cockfight, it's
on my blog page fifty five Carosea dot com. I'm
my guests today, Frank Abrams. I appreciate your passion on
this subject. It's something near and dear to my heart. Frank,
it's been great having you on the program. I appreciate

(01:04:06):
you sharing your time and with our listeners and documenting this.
And it is a work of fiction, but Frank will
tell you all day long, this is all based on
reality and real quick Frank, in terms of being a
defense attorney, if I wanted a separate DNA test because
I had suspicions about the one that was presented by
the prosecuting attorney, how much would it cost me as
a separate line item on the legal bill.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Well, first of all, typically they take it takes quite
a long time to do, but it would be in
the many thousands of dollars, at least three or four
thousand dollars. And you're going to have to go ahead,
basically and also retain an expert regarding that oh WO
to show that the first test had flaws. So take

(01:04:51):
a guess what that's gone about?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Eight hundred plus dollars an hour?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Yeah, yeah, eight hundred plus. You know what in it
has been to talk to you. It has just been
such an honor to be interviewed. And this book I
wrote came from my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I know it did.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
And people seem to like this because this is a
book that tells it like it is well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
And again you're outlining in this work of fiction real
parallels to real life and again supporting my argument that
there should be no death penalty from the state. Frank,
keep up the great work. Thanks for joining me on
the morning show, and I'll recomend my listeners go to
fifty five Carscy dot com and get a copy of
your book, The Cockfight, And welcome to fifty five Cassy
Morning Show. Marion Ben's who is a we'll still call

(01:05:37):
her a local author. We won't hold it again. There's
the Cincinnaia native. But she did move to Atlanta in
the nineties with her husband and family. But she is
a local author and she wrote a book. It's called
You Were Still Dancing, The Unforgettable Journey through Alzheimer's. Marion
Ben's welcome to the Morning Show. It's great to have
you on my program.

Speaker 9 (01:05:56):
Thanks Brian, and I appreciate the introduction.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Well, you're more than welcome. I just give my little
readers a foundation so they know it's a local author.
I like to support local authors. I think it's really
kind of neat that we've gotten them in the audience
because there's some really talented folks out there. But your
book about Alzheimer's and sadly you were. How old were
you when your grandmother experiences the challenge presented by Alzheimer's.

Speaker 13 (01:06:21):
I was probably sixteen, mid teens, I would say. I
was still living at home and my grandmother. When my
grandmother was diagnosed, she came to live with my family.
At that time, there were six kids. In the time,
there were just two of us left, myself and my
brother Kevin, so Maul moved in. They looked at nursing

(01:06:45):
homes and small, small family homes my mom and her sister,
but they just couldn't come to an agreement on where
to leave her, and my mom just she wanted her
with us, so my grandmother moved it well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Having lived through this with my father struggling with Alzheimer's
dimension I ultimately ended his life. The challenge is presented
by having to care for a loved one, and not
just the emotional component, which is obviously overwhelming, but my
mom was just run down to the point of exhaustion
because you know, it's a literal twenty four hour day,

(01:07:24):
seven day a week proposition dealing with the challenges these
folks struggle with.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Right, you know, And that was my mom was also
working part time, you know, I remember I was in
my summers, I was a camp counselor. And during one
of these years that my grandma was with us, I
came back in the fall and my mom had aged overnight.
And it was so dramatic for me and traumatic to

(01:07:51):
see that just in the short ten weeks when I
was gone, how much she had changed. And you don't
realize it. I wasn't the primary caregiver, you know, I
was witnessing what was going on, but you don't take
the full blunt of caregiving. As a teenager, even I
would help mom, or we would shit my brother and

(01:08:13):
I would sit with mal so mom and dad could
go out. But it is absolutely a life changing aging
process for the caregiver. And you know that's why I,
you know, encourage people who talk to me who are
going through it to basically to take your oxygen first,

(01:08:36):
to take care of yourself, to make sure that you're
eating right. You know, of all the research I did
for this book, it's the Mediterranean diet is the one
diet that just kept popping up kind of went to
the top of diets for people, not just to prevent Alzheimer's,
but just to lead.

Speaker 14 (01:08:56):
A healthier lifestyle.

Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
And that's one of the things that you know, I
would recommend that sleep, exercise, and in some form of
just clearing your mind. I meditated, you know. And another
really important thing is just taking people up on it,
on the offer to sit with your loved one or
finding someone who will sitting with their life, or paying

(01:09:20):
someone just sit with your life, because you need to
get away.

Speaker 12 (01:09:22):
Definitely, you need.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
To just step back from it. And even if you're
just going outside and taking a small walk and just
breathing the fresh air. Well, but it's just all encompassing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Mary and Ben's author of you were still dancing. This
Alzheimer's situation, though, developed further because once your grandmother, I
guess it was it after she passed that your mother
came down with the symptoms of Alzheimer's.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Yes, yes, my grandmother passed, and you know it was
it was another I would say fifteen twenty years when
started showing the signs, but she actually you know, Alzheimer's
is now known to begin in the brain twenty you know,
two decades before the symptoms first appear. So while we're

(01:10:13):
out living our lives, there's a lot going on inside
our head that you know, we don't know about now. Now,
there is early testing if you're brave enough to do it,
and I haven't done that yet, but I have friends
that have, and I think you really have to be
careful to make sure that you have the personality that
can handle that. Maybe you have an increased risk of

(01:10:36):
developing Alzheimer's. I know myself if I forgot a word,
which I sometimes do. Yeah, the first place to know
is I'm getting Alzheimer's and just the bandits that might follow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Out, Oh my god, Mary and Ben I have the
exact same reaction. You know, I'll be sixty in September
and I like to just pass it. I was like, jeez, Frie,
you're getting old. It's not as sharp as you used
to be. And I'm struggling to find a word. But
then again, I immediately think of my father, and yes,
it's unsettling, to say the least.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
So it is good.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
In the absence of a cure, and there is none,
right now, that's I think you really have to weigh
whether you can handle knowing that you have a greater chance. Now,
of course you can go back to all the things
what do I need to do to prevent it? But
you still have to know if you have the mindset
that can you know, not go to tural places whenever

(01:11:35):
you know, we're my keys, or you know, you walk
into a room and what did.

Speaker 12 (01:11:39):
I come in here for?

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
And I think that we all do it to some extent.
So when you have a history in your family, it's
easy to go there, and then it's easy to kind
of become consumed by its. Yeah, that's the you know,
just to try to not go there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah. Actually I can see it bringing on full blown
depression if you, I mean, if you, if you're dwelling
on it enough. It's just it's terrib because the disease
is insidious. I mean it. I actually, and I don't
know this. That sounded like disrespect for my dad or
that I was happy he died, But what a weight
was looked that he was miserable, He didn't know who

(01:12:18):
anybody was. He laid in his bed and had no function,
you know, no control over his bowels, which is obviously
a common problem in these situations, which is one of
the reasons why you're tending to someone twenty four to seven. Uh,
it's it's just he I knew he was in a
better place, that he was released.

Speaker 9 (01:12:37):
Right exactly. And and I and I believe that's the word.
And that's how I feel thought my grandmother, I felt
like she has just let go, she was released. And
I think that's just such a nice way to look
at it. It really helps if you if you it
depends on you know, where you come from spiritually. But

(01:12:58):
but if you do believe that we are you know,
we are our soul encompasses are body or however you
look at it, you know, to be released from those chains,
and they really do hold you down when you have
a disease such as Alzheimer's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Well, if you're faced with Alzheimer's in your family, what,
having lived this now two times, you obviously saw it all,
what do you recommend people to do in terms of
dealing with this challenge and maintain some sort of I
know you mentioned the exercise and taking walks and all
that related to caregiving, because it is exhausting, But what
about just coping with the general reality that they're living with.

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
What are your recommendations the reality that that caregiver lives
with or the reality that the patient lives.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
With, no the caregiver. I was thinking more of the caregiver,
because quite often the patient themselves loses any sense of
recollection or even ability to recognize you as a as
a relative.

Speaker 9 (01:13:59):
Right, you know. So for myself personally, I do and
I think about it every day. That's the first thing.
I Alzheimer's is no more than a couple of degrees
away from, you know, my thought process. Wherever I am,
I do believe strongly in a one meditation. I know
I spoke with that earlier, but I can't emphasize that

(01:14:21):
enough to even go into like a deep breathing clearing
your mind, just kind of setting the tone for the day,
as you you know, get I believe that I always
start my day with exercise, some form of yoga, some
form of our Wilbek exercise, and just try to you know,
give my body the best chance I can to keep

(01:14:44):
from you know, the problem with Alzheimer's, it's not a problem.
That issue with Alzheimer's is that Alzheimer's is very much
like any other disease that affects the heart right. So
if you have high blood pressure, if you have high cholesterol,
those those need to be recognized and then they need
to be taken care of broad under control, whatever means

(01:15:07):
that is. I am on a statin. I you know,
I don't feel like I should be on a statins
because I'm in states, and I eat right, and I
exercise and I try to do all the right things.
But apparently genetically I'm predisposed to having high cholesterol. Yeah,

(01:15:30):
tried my doctor ride to you know, do it you know,
with diet, do it with exercise. You gave me a
lot of time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Well, let me strongly encourage you to look into bioidentical
hormone replacement therapy, which is what the Europeans do to
solve the cholesterol problem. Plus it really makes you feel good,
I mean really good. So Okay, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy.
May your hormones could be out of balance, low estrogen,
low tester and whatever, what a testoster, whatever happens to be.
But if you do some research on it, they don't

(01:16:00):
use statins in Europe from what I've been told by
physicians that I deal with. So just a thought, but
it also deals with a whole bunch of other problems,
you know, metapausal problems, and you know sexual desire, and
uh just it's it's it's kind of magical, if I
may be so bold as to say so, maryon Ben's
But now, I guess this book is recommended for anybody

(01:16:20):
who is dealing with the realities of Alzheimer's, anybody who's
got a family member or a loved one or a
friend who's struggling with the disease. Thoughts, comments, and how
to deal and cope with it all. In the book,
you were still dancing an unforgettable journey through Alzheimer's by
ours Still we'll call her local author Mary and Ben's Marian.
Thanks for putting this down and I checked on Amazon.

(01:16:41):
Everybody loves it. You got a five star review there
and it came out June of last year. So people
can get a copy of your book on my blog
page of fifty five KRC dot com and I'll encourage
them to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
I really appreciate that, and I do think it's her
going to say the process.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and prayers to everybody who has to deal with it.
It's not a fun process. Mary, and you have a
wonderful Valentine's Day and a great weekend. And I'll encourage
my listeners to pick up a copy of your book
over my blog page fifty five KRC dot com. Take
care and thanks for your time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
This morning.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Eight o six a fifty five krcd Talks Nation. A
very happy Friday Eve to you him Please to welcome
to fifty five CARCA Mornings. I'm an next guest author,
Michael Walls. She has written quite a few books Last
stand You probably read quite a few of them. Author
of Last Stands, more than fifteen other novels and nonfiction book.
Classical music critic for Time Magazine at one point received

(01:17:35):
the two thousand and four American Book Awards Prize for
Fiction for his gangster novel There's Another One You Can
Read and All the Saints. He wrote popular columns from
National Review, which he used under a pseudonym to put
into the book Rules for Radical Conservatives. There's One for You,
and his other books Devil's Pleasure and The Fiery Angel
are examples of the enemy heroes and triumphs and struggles

(01:17:57):
of Western civilization, which allows us to pivot over to
the book. Talking about today, his new book, A Rage
to Conquer Twelve Battles that change the course of Western History.
Michael Walsh, Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a real
pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Thank you very much. Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
So, there are a lot more than twelve battles, and
I suppose a lot of them could have impacted Western history.
First off, what interested you in this topic? And then
how did you whittle all of the wars that have
been waged by man over the years down to the
twelve that you selected.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Well, I've been very interested in military history my whole life.
I was born actually on the Marine Corps base in
Campleyshire in North Carolina, and my father was a Marine
officer who fought in Korea and elsewhere. So that's part
of my upbringing. And as you mentioned, I read a
book called Last Stance four years ago which was quite successful,

(01:18:50):
and that examined why men fight when everything seems to
be lost, but they don't cut and around, they fight.
So this book is an outgrowth of that book, and
I wanted to look at twelve Battles and the commanders
who led them to talk about masculinity again and talk
about what it takes to be successful at what is,

(01:19:13):
unfortunately one of the most fundamental human endeavors there is,
which is warfare.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Now, I want to approach this sort of in reverse order,
and we could start with the Trojan War and Achilles,
which I'm very interested in talking with you about. But
the last one, the most recent challenge, the Battle of
nine to eleven and how it was ultimately lost by
the United States. Would you put a little more flesh
on the bones of that conclusion. I think I get

(01:19:40):
your point, but that was just my attention gravitated toward
that considering it wasn't, you know, a traditional form of
warfare unless you look at sort of maybe our invasion
of Iraq.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Well, that's turned out to the most controversial part of
the book. And I remember when an author it's a book,
he's finished the text about a year before it comes out.
So it's not like blogging or anything. It's it's you
have to consider this well in advance and try to
figure out what readers are going to be interested in.

(01:20:14):
But nine to eleven struck me as an example of
a commander President Bush who didn't understand the rules of
warfare and didn't have the stomach to fight the battle
that needed to be fought, unlike all the other guys
in the book, which include you mentioned Achilles, who's you know,
quasi fictional, but obviously it's based on somebody real wayback when.

(01:20:37):
But Caesar and Constantine the Great and General Patten and
the other people I talk about. And so as a result,
we didn't really believe that war was declared on us.
And if you think we won the Battle of nine
to eleven, go to the airport and see.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
If that's a great point. You know, behind all this,
the whole idea of warfare Michael. I'm a profound constitutionalist,
little l libertarian, am I. But we end up launching
missiles and dropping bombs and taking people out in foreign
lands against him. We have no declaration of war. And

(01:21:13):
you know, with technology being pervasive, more and more foreign
actors and folks that we might not consider friendly to
us have that technology and could equally do the same
thing to us that we're doing to them. Congress never
declares war. You get an authorization, you use a military
force to deal with nine to eleven, and it ends
up lasting twenty plus years to serve as a justification

(01:21:34):
for conflicts literally everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Well, it's disgraceful. It's part of the forever war mindset,
which is true of people at both parties, by the way,
And if you don't think so, just look at one
of the senators from South Carolina, John Love Childs, who
never saw war. He personally didn't want to fight in,
but didn't want somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Else to fight in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
The fact is that we got were declared on us,
and we simply refused to accept it. So this event happened,
and then we refused to address the issue, and we
went to other countries which had little or nothing to
do with it, h tut to twenty some years later,
and we even immediately pull out of Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
It was a disgrace. And that's what I said in
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Well, I think you're probably in good company with my
listening audience on those conclusions, sir. Now back to Achilles again.
One of the reasons I was drawn to that is
because there is a lot of fictional element associated with Achilles,
like the Achilles heel story. But what was his importance?
Is it Ilium?

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Yes? Yeah, said Troy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah. The Iliad, which is one of the foundation of
great poem, along with the Odyssey of Western culture, talks
about something that we now know happened. We're not sure
to what a stenate did, and Homer comes down to
us himself as a semi mystical figure, but something happened there.

(01:23:08):
But what's great about the earli End, First of all,
it's a great, great work of art, and secondly, it
does describe in graphic and gruesome detail how warfare was
conducted around roughly one thousand BC uh and that is
the beginning of the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
West's first clash with the East.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
So the obviously the Greeks were on the western side
of this divide and the Trojans Troy is now and
where western Turkey is they were the East. And this
is a theme that runs throughout Western history. Alexander's fight,
Alexander's fighting the Persians. There's this constant battle within Rome

(01:23:52):
against the Parthians. Wore also sort of quasei Persians. It
was just one of the threads of the book. But
you have to start with the very first war story
and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
It understood, and fast forward over to the Crusades, the
first Cruqade, Crusades.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Bohemond, Yes, yeah, no one has heard of Beaulamonte except for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
The first time, sir, this is it man, I've just
been introduced to Bauhemont.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Well, he's an amazing figure and he is the hero
of this particular chapter because he won two critical battles
in the first Crusade, which was recalled by the Pope
in response to the Byzantine Emperor, the emperor of the
eastern part of the old Roman Emperor Empire to liberate

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the holy sites of Christianity. So this was in the
very late eleventh century and Beauma was a great, big Norman.
The Normans had just conquered England like thirty years before,
and many of the Normans joined the Crusade and went
to the Holy Land to fight. And Beaumont himself was
a Norman from southerns had conquered the lower part of

(01:25:07):
Italy and Sicily and ruled it for many, many years.
So Beaumont led his troops, and he was a giant
of a man. He was a tactical genius and was
able to stave off defeat in the very first battle the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Crusaders fought against the Turks, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Was able to win and keep the whole siege of
Antioch and caused that city which was crucial to the
path to Jerusalem, which he then took for himself. And
he kind of drops out of the Crusading narrative. But
in two places he really stepped up and shows the
superiority of Western arms and also the size. The Franks

(01:25:49):
were much bigger than the Turks, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
They had a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
The Turks were very mobile, kind of like American Indians
against the cowboys or the cavalry and the American West
that come in, shoot run away, come in, shoot run away,
and the Crusaders were frustrated. They could ever get their
hands on them. Well, Bowman finally did, and uh fended
off this ambush. They could have ended the crusade at
a little place called Dora Lam and then regrouped and

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they marched all the way to Antioch, and in a
brilliant siege, took Antioch against vastly, vastly superior numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Now, in terms of the crusades, you said, the Pope
issued this, you know, request, and everybody needs to go
there to help out. And I understand this was was
it largely viewed by people as a legitimate, you know,
calling from God like that this this was a necessary
religious thing to do, because you know, over the years,
there's a lot of speculation that, well, now there's just

(01:26:43):
a bunch of Europeans that wanted to go plunder and
and look for treasure as opposed to liberate the country.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, well there's an answer for that, which is, but
the first crusade was successful. Most of them went home.
They didn't stay. Himself was a Lackland who took part
of the turf that was conquered, and so do the others.
But most of them went home. And a point I
make over and over again in the book is that
almost all these wars have some religious component, and from

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the earliest time, success in war was contributed to your God,
and failure meant that you had not lived up to
the demands of your God. You hadn't prayed hard enough,
sacrificed hard enough, you had you lost because of insufficient fabelity.
This is a constant theme throughout Western history. It's very
very interesting and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
It makes sense. You know, if you believe in a
supreme power and you're beholden to them, and you actually
have a belief system that involves you know, God and
acts of God, then yeah, you're going to step up
to the play because basically your soul is contingent upon
it where you're going to end up in the afterlife, right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, Well, you also got a complete remission of sins
if you went on the cruise. That was part of
the deal. And also the what's interesting is the Church
guaranteed your property because the Church was the only power,
you know, the Roman Empire having fallen five hundred years earlier,
six hundred years earlier. Uh, and you were immune from
lawsuits and there was there was a bunch of upside.

(01:28:16):
A lot of them died on the group trip France
and what's now Germany. Uh, all the way to the east,
to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean. But there were
some some bennies shall we say, uh with it. But
I would say it was mostly fueled by religious ardor.
And that was true with the Muslim side too. They
believed in the prophet. They were they were undefeated up

(01:28:38):
to that point. They had never encountered any opposition that
stood up. They rolled through the remnants of the Roman Empire,
they rolled over Persia, conquered Iran, Islamic sized Iran.

Speaker 11 (01:28:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
They were they were used to success. And the first
time they came up against the Franks and got walked
and they were uh. It taught them something to and
And this war, now, that particular war has been going
on for a thousand plus years. That's the Israel Godza conflict.
That's where that starts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
It's amazing that that has been raging for that long.
And you did bring up the travel I was going
to ask you about that in terms of the the
the crusades, that that distance in the time it would
take to get from point A to point B to
fight and then come back home. I'm just I suppose
that we're still under a feudal system then, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yeah, more or less, the kings of Europe had not
really quite emerged yet. So what that's called the Princess
Crusade because remember, there's no France, there is no Germany
right as we know it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
So these were little princelings.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Of various little principalities around Europe that that got together
and organized an army, and they had specific leaders and
they accomplished it. It's an amazing logistical feat when you
stop to think about it, that they came all that
way by lands and sea, over a terrible terrain, and
lost a lot of their people, but they just kept going.

(01:30:07):
And there were times they didn't want to go, but
they felt they had to go, and so they seized
upon any sign that God was with them, most famously
at Antioch, where they were getting they were having a
very hard time with the giant Turkish army, and then
one of them discovered what he purported to be the
Holy the tip of the Holy Spirit that had pierced

(01:30:30):
Christ's side at the time of the crucifixion, and using
this rusty piece of iron, they went into battle holding
it up and won. So naturally they thought God was
on their side. At the Crusader motto was deuslovul God
wills it and they would shout at us, they would
move into battle.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Fascinating stuff. Fascinating stuff. Michael Walsh, the name of the book,
A Raged to Conquer Twelve battles that changed the course
of Western history. Michael, what we've done for you? And
I'm for my listeners primarily because they're gonna want to
get a copy of the book. It's on my blog
page of fifty five carosee dot com. My listeners know
where to go and get a copy of the book.
There's a link to where to buy it. And it's

(01:31:11):
well received on Amazon and if a fascinating range of
topics again from the Trojan War all the way through
the nine to eleven. I appreciate you talking with my
listeners of me today, Michael, and spending some time here.
And thanks for writing the book and documenting this important history.
I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five Case Morning Show.
Shiloh creed Day's an American author. He's written under a

(01:31:32):
multiple pen names. He has sold over one point four
million books. He's received multiple Gold medals for novels and
been a best selling many times over author. Today, we're
gonna be talking about the book Plunged the Three Worlds.
It's book one Three Worlds described as Christian sci fi series. Shiloh,
Welcome to the fifty five CARSEEE Morning Show. Thanks for

(01:31:54):
showing up.

Speaker 15 (01:31:56):
Hey, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Now, I'm confused Christian side fi series. That's sort of
an interesting melding of mediums, I guess. Or I'm just
trying to figure out how Christianity and science fiction go
hand in hand. Obviously that's what the book is all about.
But how did you get the inspiration for this particular
book and the idea of merging sci fi and christian theme.

Speaker 15 (01:32:19):
Well, it's been a long journey. I've written thirty eight novels,
but this one has been over ten years in the making,
so I've had a lot of revisions and it's been
quite a journey. But you know, have you ever heard
of the Philadelphia Project?

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:32:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we go there too. So a
big part of the book is kind of based on
the Philadelphia Project, which is considered a conspiracy theory, I
guess now, So yeah, we've got conspiracy theories sci fi
and spiritual thriller all wrapped up into one. So Plunge
is the story of Jacob Carter who is forced into

(01:32:59):
a military experience which causes him to jump into the
spiritual side of our world, where instead of seeing the physical,
he's actually experiencing spiritual things. So it's his journey of
discovering who he really is as inn avy cl He's
very strong, capable and smart, but in the spirit he
discovers his true self is not all he wants it

(01:33:21):
to be. So it's a super fun journey.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
So this spiritual realm that he finds himself in, I
guess my understanding is that there's a cloaking device that
puts him into this spiritual realm. Now is this a
spiritual realm? Is it? Is it evil? I means he is?
He is he attacked? I mean, because if it's spiritual,
there's no physical nature going on. I'm thinking, like, you
couldn't get into a gunfight in the spiritual world. I

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means he come under some threat or and how is
his spirituality tested?

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
For sure?

Speaker 15 (01:33:52):
Yeah, a lot of threats. It's definitely an action adventure book,
so there's a fight scenes throughout, but in the spirit
the enemy is a lion, and he is being hunted.
Jacob is being hunted throughout the whole book, and it's
his journey to figure out, you know what biblically does
he have? What what can he do? Uh to protect

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himself and to change things and to keep himself from
you know, from the enemy there. So yeah, plunge is definitely.

Speaker 11 (01:34:23):
Man.

Speaker 15 (01:34:23):
I tell people when to pick it up. I say,
brace yourself because in the physical world when he jumps
back into the physical he is facing super soldiers. They're
putting him against super soldiers to see if they can
the government can use the knowledge that he gained in
the spirit. So yeah, it's fights in both worlds.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
I guess is the lion a metaphor or is it
a true lion? I'm thinking like the Lion, the Witch
and the Wardrobe, which many point two? Is that maybe
a dominant Christian theme if you read those series of books,
But in this particular book, is that is that sort
of a Is that like an homage to the Lion
the Witch in the War about Wardrobe in some way?

Speaker 16 (01:34:58):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:34:58):
Maybe maybe more to script. Sure, you know, the Bible
says that the enemy goes about like a roaring Lion,
So it is. Plunge definitely has a lot of allegorical content.
So you know, the more that you get into it,
the more I think things that will pop out to
you as you read the book.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
There was a book designed to test people's faith or
to you know, affirm it in some way.

Speaker 15 (01:35:23):
Oh, definitely to affirm it. When I was thirty two,
I had major heart trouble and this book was really
born out of my struggle to find faith and to
find divine healing, which thank God, I have received here.

Speaker 12 (01:35:39):
I am so yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:35:41):
Plunge is definitely a spiritual journey, and its purpose is
to strengthen, encourage, and kind of wake up the church
and people who are maybe seeking God but haven't seen
any of his power. They haven't seen the life that
they expected to see from that relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
How about that, I think you've already answered the question,
But who did you write this book for? I can
certainly understand that now. I guess you went through this
challenge yourself. Was it one of those moments when you
felt like God had kind of given up on you
or turned his back on you in some way, shape
or form. Because I know a lot of people struggle
with that sort of harsh reality of the world when
they experience times of trouble, or maybe in your case,

(01:36:23):
health problems crop up, like a cancer diagnosis or something.

Speaker 15 (01:36:28):
Oh, it was definitely a dark time, but it was
also a time of hope because I had made the
complete decision for myself to trust God's words. So I
didn't see any doctors, I didn't do anything else. I
just went to the Lord. And so although it was difficult,
I think the biggest thing that I had to do

(01:36:50):
was unlearned things that I thought about God, and I
had to go to the Bible and discover what did
God actually say about himself? And then I had to
believe that instead of all of the things that I
had spent my life believing before.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Fair enough, Now, this is the first book and what
is called the Three Worlds Christian sci fi series. King
real quick, I guess have the other books been written
already and we're just waiting to release them after this
one's gone out, or are you still working on them?
And what also is the Three Worlds? What does initial
cap three worlds Christian refer to.

Speaker 15 (01:37:27):
Sure three worlds refers to Heaven, Earth, and Hell. So
the book kind of spans all three realms, and the
series definitely does. I'm actually sitting here in front of
my computer editing Book two. It is scheduled to release,
I believe in July, and it is up on pre
order right now.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:37:45):
So as the series progresses, we definitely get into end
Times themes. There starts in book two and in book
three is full on end time revelation type stuff. Extremely
fun series.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
That sounds very interesting to say the least. And I
know my listeners will be very interested in getting a
copy of your book. So what we've done is, Shiloh,
put your book up on my blog page at fifty
five care sea dot com with a link to purchase
a copy, and I'll encourage my listeners to check that out.
Sounds fascinating. Shiloh, create a real pleasure to having on
the program this morning, and keep up the great work. Obviously,

(01:38:22):
you are an inspired writer with thirty one books under
your belt. I just can't imagine.

Speaker 15 (01:38:28):
Oh, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
I appreciate its been a real pleasure. Take care seven
thirty eight fifty five KRC the talk Station. I'm pleased
to welcome to the fifty five CARSC Morning Show book
you can get on my blog page fifty five kr
seed dot com like Swans by our local author, Susie Cohin. Susy,
welcome to the program. It's great to have you on
this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:38:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:38:50):
I'm honored to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Well, I'm honored to have you on. And you know,
you could be quite an inspiration to some other folks
in the listening audience. And I would like to put
a plug in for Peter Bronson is his Chili Dog
Press is a local publishing outfit, and he is an
extraordinary author in his own right. But let me first
ask you what part of town are you and since
you are described as a local author.

Speaker 14 (01:39:10):
SUSI, I live in Sharonville.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Okay, great, And you got a bit of a Brady
Bunch situation going over your place.

Speaker 16 (01:39:20):
Well, our kids are all grown, so they actually never
grew up together. Oh okay, but they get along great.

Speaker 12 (01:39:28):
So we have.

Speaker 16 (01:39:30):
I have twin boys and my husband has three daughters,
so we're one short of the perfect baby bunch.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
That's great. I saw the description of your in your
in the outline and I just was chuckling on myself
about that. You're also a flight attendant.

Speaker 12 (01:39:45):
Yes, doing that from Doha last night.

Speaker 14 (01:39:48):
Actually, oh wow.

Speaker 12 (01:39:50):
And I was so.

Speaker 16 (01:39:50):
Nervous because you know, the airport in Philadelphia is a mess.
There were so many delayed flights, and I was like
praying that I would get on.

Speaker 12 (01:39:58):
The six o'clock because otherwise as it would be a.

Speaker 14 (01:40:01):
Very late arrival, and with the jet.

Speaker 16 (01:40:03):
Lag and all that, I was like, I just want
to feel good in the morning, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I understand that. And props to you and all of
the flight attendants I talked to. iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay
Ratliffe every Thursday, and he is always reminding people that
you're not stewardess is you're highly trained folks who were
designed to deal with, you know, potentially terrible problems that
need to be treated with much greater respect. So I
can put in a word a positive word in for

(01:40:28):
you and other flight attendants for the work.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
That you do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
All right, pivoting over your book, like Swans, what inspired
you to write the book? We can dive into the
details of it and tell my listeners all about it.

Speaker 16 (01:40:39):
Well, my parents always, especially my mom, talked about how
they escaped and life over there.

Speaker 12 (01:40:46):
And I wrote a short story about it.

Speaker 16 (01:40:49):
In like nineteen eighty six, and my professors like, oh that,
you know, that's pretty good. You should expound on that. Well,
you know, then I had twins and got really busy
and uh, I was, you know, flying full time.

Speaker 12 (01:41:03):
And my mother, though, was always like, no, Citity, what
aren't gonna write that book? And it was a lifelong dream.

Speaker 16 (01:41:10):
And when COVID came about, the silver lining of COVID
for me was having an eighteen month leave where I
could sit down. Michael, my husband said, Okay, you know,
you can write your book now, and I knew I
had no more excuses, so I sat down and.

Speaker 14 (01:41:26):
Worked, you know, very hard.

Speaker 12 (01:41:27):
It was really a labor of love.

Speaker 16 (01:41:29):
It was the hardest thing I've had to ever do
because when I was writing it, you know, we had
so much censorship going on, and it just reminded me
of what my parents talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Well, you said over there, the over there you were
talking about is Czechoslovakia with post communist when the people
in the Communists were in charge.

Speaker 16 (01:41:51):
Yes, it was like in nineteen sixty six was one
day escaped.

Speaker 12 (01:41:56):
So sorry I forgot that small detail.

Speaker 16 (01:41:58):
But it okay, Yeah, so they you know, told me
about how everything was still controlled, and that's how I felt.

Speaker 12 (01:42:11):
That everything was controlled, you know, information.

Speaker 16 (01:42:15):
About COVID, and then how we could live, what we
could do, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:42:19):
We had to wear masks. Uh. It was just it
was just really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
I can't even but see that's the See. I found
a whole lot of positive about COVID, and you're illustrating
one of them. I think the people will be less
inclined to just sort of prostrate themselves before whatever directive
from some random governor says about where you can be
and what you can't do. In spite of the fact
that we have amendments of the Constitution which project protect

(01:42:46):
these liberties and freedoms, it's as if the Constitution was eradicated,
and it did feel a lot like say, Czechoslovakia are
under the under the Soviet Union, because I've read a
lot of Mulan Candera and I believe that's where he
is from, and he's written about it. One of the
one of the books of the note he made or
the joke I think was the name of it. He
made some sort of random joke about one of the

(01:43:06):
Soviet leaders and ended up getting unemployed and ostracized just
pri merely uttering a joke.

Speaker 17 (01:43:15):
Ryan, My mother got called into the local police station
for wearing a sweater that was bright and colorful.

Speaker 18 (01:43:27):
Oh my.

Speaker 16 (01:43:28):
They accused her of, you know, advertising Western propaganda. And
that was really a blessing because my father had spoken
for years about you know, he's, you know, we need
to leave.

Speaker 14 (01:43:45):
Things are getting worse and they're they're not going to
get better. But she didn't want to leave her family.

Speaker 16 (01:43:52):
You know, they waited two years to get an apartment,
she had to get an extra part time job to
you know, furnish Everything was difficult.

Speaker 12 (01:44:03):
I mean, there was just no easy.

Speaker 16 (01:44:04):
Path for food, for furniture, and so she's like, you know,
I don't want to leave. But that showed her that
someone in the neighborhood.

Speaker 12 (01:44:15):
There was every neighborhood like.

Speaker 14 (01:44:16):
A had a watch person.

Speaker 16 (01:44:18):
Yeah, so you never knew who it was. And so
she got called in because of this sweater and that's
the turn That was the turning point for her. You know,
she knew that they had to get out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Wow, that's that's just frightening stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Is the book about their story? In other words, a
work of nonfiction about their trials? And tribulations and experiencing
life under communist Czechoslovakian then ultimately leaving.

Speaker 16 (01:44:48):
Yes, it's it's I really wanted people to see why
you would want to leave a place like that. I mean,
you know, waiting in line for food. People would get
in line if there was a line. They didn't need
to know why, oh wow, but they got in it
because it might be something good that they could sell.
I mean, it was just like a weird sci fi

(01:45:10):
they were living in almost but it was.

Speaker 12 (01:45:13):
The book is a.

Speaker 16 (01:45:14):
Love story and a thriller because you know their escape.
I mean, of course, you know they did make it,
but just the way it all happened, it was really
God's intervention, I believe, because just the way everything I
don't want to give too much away, no, no, you
know how it all came about that they were actually

(01:45:35):
able to get out.

Speaker 12 (01:45:37):
Well, it's really.

Speaker 16 (01:45:38):
Amazing because many people weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Able to well in an oppressive regime like Czechoslovakia during
the Soviet days. You mentioned the emotional struggle of deciding
to leave because in spite of how bad things are,
you have all these emotional ties not just to the land,
but also to your community and your friends. But once
they made the decision to leave, was it difficult. Did

(01:46:00):
they have to you know, steal out of the country
under cover of darkness or be snuck out or could
they Did they work through some approval process.

Speaker 12 (01:46:08):
No, they tried to get approval.

Speaker 16 (01:46:10):
I mean, my dad had approval you know, put in
for years, but they never got it because my father,
my mom's dad, was a capitalist. He had a trucking
company and so he was on their like blacklist, and
so my mother wasn't allowed to go to college. She
was She actually wanted to be the flight attendant. That

(01:46:31):
was her lifelong dream, which is so ironic because I
never that wasn't in my you know, view at all,
and I got it by just sheer chance.

Speaker 12 (01:46:41):
And so my I know.

Speaker 16 (01:46:45):
Where was I they they escaped because my mom got
permission to take me out of the country to Yugoslavia
because I had a lot of ear issues and the
doctor was like, oh, you need to go by the
sea because they.

Speaker 12 (01:47:00):
Air is much better.

Speaker 16 (01:47:02):
And then my dad, last like a last minute thing,
got a trip to Milan. He was an engineer, and
so he had a business trip to Milan because one
of the.

Speaker 14 (01:47:14):
Boss's sons was ill.

Speaker 16 (01:47:17):
I mean, you know, usually only the people in the
party were allowed to travel, but this was some big
job and my dad was given permission to go normally
because he would not sign on the communist party line.

Speaker 12 (01:47:31):
He refused, and so he knew that, you know, something
was going to give.

Speaker 16 (01:47:36):
I mean, they weren't going to let him just get
away with that forever, and that's why he knew he had,
you know, they had to get out of there, so
they were They took the same train out of Prague,
got to Austria Vienna, and did not go on their
separate trains to their final destinations. They stayed there and

(01:47:57):
my dad had had family there that they actually didn't
even know if they were still alive, because they never
got the letter, a letter, you know, in response to
their letter. But you know, it just worked out for
them that they were.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
I'm so glad you wrote this because this may give
people something they truly need, is to pause and consider
the freedoms that we enjoy in the face of a
country that won't let you leave. I just can't imagine
being in that environment, and I've heard a lot of
stories like this over the years. Think of the people
who tried to get out of Berlin and had to,
you know, go through the wall or under the law

(01:48:34):
or or law at risk getting machine gunned down for
even endeavoring to leave. This is a great story. And
I guess you're.

Speaker 14 (01:48:43):
And communism was so great? Why would people I.

Speaker 11 (01:48:46):
Want to go right?

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Yeah, I know, I was going to say earlier in
your in your breadline comments like whatever happened to from
each according's ability to each according to his need? How
come it's so hard to get an apartment in a
communist country? This is all sums up like swam my
local author guest today, Sussy, it's been a pleasure talking
with the Susie Cohn. Like Swan, you can get it
on my blog page fifty five krsee dot com. I

(01:49:07):
encourage people to do that and then pause and reflect
on what we've got here that so few countries in
the world have, Susie, thanks for doing this for everybody
that'st approaching a thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station.
What a happy day it is to be listening to
the fifty five KRC Morning Show, wonderful guests leading up
to the final guests of the morning and thank God
for Bill O'Reilly. I cannot encourage my listeners enough to

(01:49:30):
go to Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill O'Reilly, welcome back
to the fifty five Carcy Morning Show. My friend, you
have a an unbelievably informative web page there. I want
to applaud you on what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (01:49:42):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:49:43):
Thank you, Brian, I appreciate having me in. Nice to
speak to you again. You know, it's really interesting what's
happened since Trump got elected in November. The the American
people were so angry with the Biden administration that even

(01:50:03):
people who don't like Donald Trump said, look, he may
not be what I think a president should be, but
he's so much better than the alternative that we're going
to vote for him. But the media never accepted that. Never,
and so the strategy now is no matter what Trump does,

(01:50:26):
he's evil. It's not wrong, it's evil. It's changed now
the media strategy. So my job is basically not cheerlead
Donald Trump. We don't do that, no, but to put
it to perspective things that he does so that people
can make a decision based on reality. And that's why
we're successful. On Bill O'Reilly dot com has now it's

(01:50:49):
almost eight years, and the thing is the most successful
independent news site in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
And that does not shock me a bit. Bill O'Reilly,
and I've had you on many times over the years,
and I got to ask you because I love your
books and I'll encourage my listeners to read them. They
are fascinating, you can't put them down kind of reads.
Are we going to get another one out of you
soon before we dive back into politics, Bill, because I'm
looking forward to the next one.

Speaker 16 (01:51:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:51:13):
As you may know, Brian, Confronting the President's been on
the New York Times bestseller list for twenty three consecutive weeks. Sir,
still there. I mean it's a phenomenal seller, as most
of my books have been. In September, we have Confronting
Evil and we got the cover up on billoreilly dot com.

(01:51:35):
Putin's on a cover along with the Ayatola, Halmani, Mazitun
and Hitler, and inside there are about ten other evil
doers that can put them all on the cover. And
that book is going to be very controversial, that's for sure,
because you're going to learn things about Everybody thinks they

(01:51:55):
know these evil doers, but you really don't. Know extent
of what they did, and so we're editing that now,
actually going to turn it in next week to the publisher.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
And going back to your comments about the mainstream media,
he's evil, He's evil. This reminds me of the whole
campaign that Donald Trump's a Nazi, which suggests to me
that they don't understand the definition of the Nationalist Socialist Party.
But ignoring their ignorance, they cling to this notion that
somehow he is an evil man. But look what he
is doing, and he's brilliant in his strategy. Beginning with

(01:52:29):
deporting illegal immigrants, not all of them, not going in
and grabbing moms who've been here for ten years. They're
going after criminals, child rapists, for example. And the left
and the Democrats that are out protesting this are trying
to defend the indefensible. I really can't imagine any human
being of any political stripe wanting a child molester in

(01:52:51):
their neighborhood. If that person came here illegally and could
be easily ejected from our country.

Speaker 7 (01:52:57):
Here's the game. Most Americans who follow the news, and
that would be about half of us, so half the population,
they don't know what the deuce is going on, and
that's their choice. I mean, they just are lazy or disinterested,
whatever it may be. But the people who follow the

(01:53:17):
cycle understand that the Trump administration wants immigration law enforced,
and the way to do that is to present to
the public the danger of not enforcing it. And just
as you just said, you have fourteen million people allowed

(01:53:38):
in by Biden, well, ten percent of those people are
going to be heinous criminals. That's ten percent of every
group is evil. So that's one million, four hundred thousand,
all right, that are running around causing trouble. And the
problem is that when ice raids and when they go

(01:53:58):
in they're there are undocumented migrants who do not have
a criminal record that are swept up in the raid.
So for example, they are living with the bank robber,
they are living with the drug dealer. A lot of
women are in this category and they have a child.

(01:54:19):
Well that woman and child, they're swept up. They're taken
because they're in the residence with the dope dealer. The
press cleaves that off and said, oh, look at this,
this woman never did anything, and they're Burtner. How dishonest
is that they don't explain that the woman is a

(01:54:40):
relationship with the drug dealer. So what are you supposed
to do? And I could give you a hundred examples
of that kind of press dishonesty and I do on
the No Spin News every day. Means what we do
because we have to protect Americans from falsehoods.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Well, and the other thing component, and I talk about
low hanging fruit, defending the indefensible, is what the left
is trying to do. When you look at, for example,
some of the programs that were revealed by the Doge
effort over US eight, you know, tens of millions, hundreds
of millions of dollars of the American taxpayers money going
to programs that on their face are wholly indefensible. And

(01:55:21):
yet and the second component of that is nobody knows
if the money actually went to any given program to
accomplish the goal that was stated in the grant. They
don't follow the reality. And it seems to me just
a bunch of bribes, kickbacks, and payoffs for a bunch
of organizations, either here within the country or out in
the world. They're just soaking up the American taxpayers dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:55:42):
It's always been that way whenever American tax money leaves
the United States and goes to a foreign country, we
don't have any authority over it. So we don't have
investigators in Gaza, or in Israel or in Ukraine to
make sure that the money is spent the way it's designated.

(01:56:05):
That it's never existing. So Trump, that drives him nuts.
That drives him absolutely crazy. And what he did was
he said, look to Musk you find out the most
extreme examples, and I'll present it to the American people
and we'll try to clean this thing up to some extent.

(01:56:25):
They'll never be able to clean it up entirely, but
we'll try to get people outraged about the waste of
taxpayer's dollars. That's what they're doing now. The fact that
the Democrats are resisting, that works the Trump's advantage and
the Republican Party's advantage, because most Americans they go, well,
why aren't you supporting programs that are better? Why you

(01:56:50):
want millions of dollars to go to a sesame street
show in Iraq? That there's no good for anybody. If
they want a sesame streets let them put it on. Yeah,
why do we have to put its pay for it?

Speaker 16 (01:57:04):
All?

Speaker 8 (01:57:05):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:57:05):
So the Democratic Party at this point is fracturing, and
I don't know if they're going to come back anytime
soon because there's no leader. They don't have a leader,
and without a leader, it's all over the place. So
they're actually losing ground, even in the face of Trump

(01:57:25):
being so controversial.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Well, and one of the things most identified he was
looking at social Security and all of the folks over
the age of one hundred who are still at least
on the books eligible and this remains to be seen
whether checks are still going out to them, but everyone is,
it seems, counting on Social Security again, regardless of political stripe.
When you see that, if you just are a casual

(01:57:49):
political observer, you're like, wait a second, what, there's people
on the Social Security roles that are one hundred and
fifty years old. How can that be? The things underwater?
The CBO has been warning about it for decades. Nobody
lives to try to salvage the system that so many
people think that that's what they're going to have to
rely on in retirement. That angers a lot of people, sure.

Speaker 7 (01:58:08):
And it should, but it's unrealistic to think that in
a nation of three hundred and fifty million people that
the federal government is going to be able to monitor
every check entitlement check that goes out. They're never going
to be able to do that. But you want to
bring some kind of discipline into these agencies. And under

(01:58:30):
Biden there was zero accountability. It got way out of control.
The COVID stuff was insane, absolutely, Okay. Trump is trying
to bring in a new paradigm for these agencies where
they have to apply some kind of discipline. They have

(01:58:53):
to get rid of the IVYA logues, they have to
hire people who are going to watch the dough. Now
is he going to succeed? Partially because it should. The
problem is just to mammot. But he's doing the right thing.
But again, the press is so hateful toward him. They're
never going to say that, they're never going to report

(01:59:15):
on him fairly. And therefore many millions of Americans think
the guys the devil because they don't really pay attention
to what's actually happening.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Well, Elon Musk said it the other day, and I
have to paraphrase because I can't quote the man, but
he warned of what is quite literally the existential threat
posed by our national debt and deficit, and that we
are going to fall apart, literally, and we will fall
apart along with the rest of the world, who seems
to rely on the American taxpayers to stay afloat. Somebody said,

(01:59:45):
you know, oh well, yeah, this whole idea about you. Well,
I'll just move to New Zealand if the Fiat currency collapsed.
He said, no, that's not going to be possible because
New Zealand will go down the toilet too.

Speaker 7 (01:59:55):
Sure, And you can't tax the people anymore, Brian, you can't.
They're just up to their eyebrows in paying to local,
state and federal officials. I mean, New York, where I live,
is the highest tax state in the Union. We are
losing hundreds of thousands of people a year moving out

(02:00:19):
of here, and replacing those people are foreign nationals who
are on welfare. Okay, so the people who are earning
a decent buck they're leaving replaced by people who need
government assistance. Now I'm generalizing, but that's the accurate picture.

(02:00:40):
So the Democratic Party again doesn't seem to understand that
you cannot tax people any more than you are now.
And then Bernie Sanders and these socialist all the brillionaires.
That's a bunch of garbage. There are very few of
those people. The bulk of the tax receipts are working class,

(02:01:03):
blue collar folks who cannot pay anymore. So you've got
to cut the waste and the massive spending, which is
what Musk has been tasked to.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Do well and so far doing an excellent job of
elevating this type of thing to the average americans attention
and the average Americans seeing some positive in all this
based upon the points you've made today here on the
Morning Show, and we can only hope that the energy
and the effort behind it continues to neure to our advantage.
Because we go back the other direction, we're stuck. We're screwed.
I mean, you may as well just pull the flag

(02:01:36):
down and go hide in a hole or something. Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 7 (02:01:40):
Yeah, Look, the Trump administration has an opportunity. It needs
to be more disciplined. I don't think that's going to happen.
That's not how the president rolls, as a cliche goes,
I would do it a little bit differently in style form.
But what they're trying to do is a positive for

(02:02:01):
the country. Unfortunately, many people in the country don't understand
that now, but you know we all do what we do, Brian.
I mean, you do a good show every morning and
in Cincinnati and tell the folks what you think. I
do the same thing on Bill O'Reilly dot com, and
I write the books and I get the word out
and then folks believe what they want to believe. But

(02:02:22):
we have an opportunity here in the next forty seven months.
That's what Trump has, and if he does well, then
Vance will be the next president because I don't think
the Democratic Party is going to be able to recover
in uh, you know, the forty seven months that Trump
has well.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
They're going to have to find somebody other than Gavin Newsome,
the guy no backbench finished, thankfully, no backbench in the
Democrat Party. Bill O'Reilly dot com book market, see what's
there every single day. Become a member, you get a
lot more benefits being a member of Bill O'Reilly dot com.
Of Bill I'm already looking forward to September when your
new book comes out, so you'll be back on the
morning show and we will talk about it after I

(02:03:00):
read it, because I always read your books before we talk.
I know that rule.

Speaker 7 (02:03:06):
I appreciate that, Brian, stay strong, Thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
For having me my pleasure anytime, sir, have a wonderful weekend.
It's coming up at eight forty four fifty five KRC
the talk station. Just I have eight thirty fifty five
KRCD talk station. Very happy Monday to you. Made you
an extra special happy because the return of Mandy Gunnas Sakara,
author of Y'all Fired, a Southern Belist guide. You're restoring
federalism and draining the swamp. We had he around in
October when the book first came out. She's spent at

(02:03:30):
the center of the US energy and environmental policy for
a full decade. From the Senate cloak room of the
Oval Office of veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and communicator,
served during President Trump's first term as chief of staff
at the US Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a visiting fellowt
the Heritage Foundation, and welcome back. It is a real
pleasure to have you back on the show. Mandy.

Speaker 19 (02:03:49):
Yeah, good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
I mean, can I just sort of sum up what
I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is
like the answer to your dreams?

Speaker 19 (02:04:00):
Yeah, I think he summed it up, Well, it really
is and it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to
see because having been on the inside, even in my
position as chief of staff and the access to the
information that I had, it was hard to paint the
whole picture. You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud

(02:04:20):
or abuse or redundancies and efficiencies. You could pinpoint those
sorts of things. But it really is a beautiful thing
where you have someone like Elon and his really talented
team of software engineers going and looking at the data
and then painting a big picture in ways that all
of us can understand and all of us can see
is an absolute misuse of taxpayer resources. So yeah, it's

(02:04:41):
an answer to a lot of prayers.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lords were
getting a lot of it. And one of the problems
that I'm sure you probably during your period of time
in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else the
obstructionism that comes when people that are responsible for the
oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the cong the Congress women,
the senators when they're told basically go to hell when

(02:05:04):
they ask for information.

Speaker 19 (02:05:07):
Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's it's really frustrating,
and it's you know, that is part of their responsibility.
Their responsibility is to report back to the public how
they're using these funds and what it's actually doing. But
it's not just the members of Congress. I mean, it's
also these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats. And here's

(02:05:27):
the truth. There is a there is a crisis of
expertise on Capitol Hill. Frankly, you have a lot of
people there that don't really know what they're doing. So
they're wholly dependent on deep state bureaucrats who've been working
at their job for thirty years to give them information
they don't otherwise know how to get. So that's how
the deep state works. They don't give them all the information.

(02:05:49):
Maybe they give them a little drip drip here. But
it's been many decades of this type of imbalance between
an agency funded to eight at to the tune of
eight billionion dollars and as EP is an example, with
that oversight staff of less than two million dollars trying
to perform oversight and so you just have this massive

(02:06:09):
mismatch and the resulting consequences is just decades of layers
of complexity and us not knowing how our resources are
spent well.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just
simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,
Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over
looking at through the the Department of Treasury, right Treasury Department,
and he says, you know, I was told that there
are currently over one hundred billion dollars a year of
in timement payments individual with no social Security number, even

(02:06:40):
a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he pulls
the room and Treasury he says, what percentage of that
is unequivocal obvious fraud? And the consensus in the room
was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's something
that's as simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,
no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?

Speaker 16 (02:06:59):
It shouldn't be difficult at all.

Speaker 19 (02:07:00):
But that's what these agencies they've just become all about,
constantly asking for more money. There is no incentive for
the everyday bureaucrat to find ways to be incentive, to
find ways to cut costs and to be truthful about
the expenditure of those costs. And there's this mentality, this
culture in DC that people are almost entitled to these

(02:07:24):
taxpayer resources, and when you come in and you ask questions,
they like to pretend like they're these global do gooders
and they're saying, oh, but this poor person is going
to lose access to these resources that they really need. Meanwhile,
that person isn't even getting the funds. To the extent
they're getting any it's barely enough to actually live. But
you know what's coming off the top. A fair amount
is coming off the top and going to nonprofits that

(02:07:46):
either pad them personally or their relatives or just grow
the power of the left, which is ultimately what they want.

Speaker 1 (02:07:53):
Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite the world.
We're five oh one C three, we're not for profit. Yeah,
but you're making a salary of four hundred, five hundred
thousand dollars a year as president or CEO the five
oh one C three. I mean, that's what's happening.

Speaker 19 (02:08:09):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing so
many of them is going to the spouses of people. Yeah,
you know, just look at the net worth of someone
like Samantha Power. She was the administrator that had essentially
of USAID and her net worth grew five times. I
think that's right. It's around that it's a significant number.

(02:08:30):
Grew five times. Her salary has been the same. Salaries
for bureaucrats are typically capped out around one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, somehow she has a mass a
multi million dollar fortune, and it just leaves you scratching
your head, Huh where did that money come from? And
it's most likely because it was funneled to nonprofits of
what she or her family was sitting on the board

(02:08:53):
and they get to reap the benefits of millions of
dollars of taxpayer funds going into their back pocket, and
they cover it up by saying, well, we're helping the
poor in the world, We're giving people in Africa access
to water and food. But really they are just patting
their own personal coffers.

Speaker 1 (02:09:08):
Well, and as I read through the list of these
things that the DOGE has revealed and the comments from
the senators that you know, I had no idea that
this money was being spent this way, and I said,
wait a second, aren't you responsible for the power of
the purse. I mean, you go ahead and you allocate
forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody

(02:09:29):
had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty
million dollars goes to a sesame street show in Iraq,
And then how much of that twenty million dollars really
went to the Sesame street show in a rock production.
It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't
follow the trail of the money, and it just stops
once the aid's been allocated to the general collective us
AID fund.

Speaker 19 (02:09:51):
Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.
And that's why you see the people who are screaming
the most are the ones who have the most to
lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,
if you will, that.

Speaker 8 (02:10:05):
That is what it is.

Speaker 19 (02:10:07):
These people are using their positions of trust and consequence
to siphon money off to the side to their benefit.
And they use stories of people that most people would
say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of
course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.
They use that as a cover for their own sick game,
and those are the people who are sitting outside of

(02:10:29):
USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing
up their hands. And the Democrat members of Congress are
at the front of the line because they are recipients
of campaign donations from these people who are putting taxpayer resources.

Speaker 8 (02:10:44):
In their own pocket.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most
I don't I want to call it comical that they're
screaming at the top of their lungs over these funds
being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American could
find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the money
didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running on treadmills.

(02:11:06):
They're just screaming about the general focus on USA and
the fraud, waste and abuse and defending it for some reason.
Just there's there's no denial here, There's no that didn't happen.
That's a lie. Elon Musk is making that up.

Speaker 19 (02:11:20):
It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to
see and I will say though, it's it's frustrating to
see some of the reaction, but you know, those people
are in the minority now and that is a really
wonderful feeling and the cats out of the bag. I mean, again,
those of us who are on the inside. Some of

(02:11:40):
it was the fact that we didn't really understand the
links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,
and they had decades to figure out ways to cover
up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.
So we were all in there. You know, you're drinking
from a fire hose is the words people often used
to describe what it's like to go into these positions,
and a lot of us went in not knowing that

(02:12:02):
the tricks that the deep State would use not just
to confuse, but to try to undermine and to hide
what they were actually doing.

Speaker 16 (02:12:10):
All that's over.

Speaker 19 (02:12:11):
So it really is great to see Elon Musk his team,
Department of Government Efficiency, and most importantly, the American people
see this and they're behind the President and his work
one hundred and ten percent.

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,
that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk
has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one
USA department I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there
as long as he can get his access back centers
for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department
of Energy, and Lord almighty, nobody wants me that wants

(02:12:46):
the military spending to be audited more than me. They
can't even pass ano audit seven or eight times in
a row. Mandy, I know, and I'm sure.

Speaker 19 (02:12:55):
I'm sure you've seen. There was an interview not too
long ago of one of the uh, one of the heads,
one of the people who was responsible for these types
of audits, and you know, she was just incredulous that
people would wouldn't trust them. Yeah, we felled audits, but
you don't understand what an audit is, is essentially her response,

(02:13:15):
and it doesn't really matter. Like again, this goes through
there's this culture of people in DC that are so
arrogant and and so flippant about their very real responsibility.
And when people come around asking basic questions that they
cannot answer, uh, they just they try to belittle you
to say that, well, you don't really understand it. If

(02:13:35):
you were, if you were like me, you would understand.
So yeah, look, Elon Musk is scratching the surface. This
type of misuse and and miss expenditure of funds. It
permeates every single agency. So there's there's a lot more
to come, and I'm excited to see it, for it
to finally be exposed.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep
my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money
has landed many goods. Car author of Y'all Fired, A
Southern Bell's Guide Restoring Federalism and Draining the Swamp. She
had an advance on Doge. This is what the book's about.
And I'm sure, I said, I know she's seeing it
just come all to fruition with it being ferreted out, Mandy.

(02:14:13):
I got your book up on my blog page fifty
five caresee dot com so people can get a copy
of it to the extent they haven't done it already,
and all encourage them to do so. It's been great
here talking with you. Keep up the great work and
looking forward to another volume, maybe something like along the
aftermath lines.

Speaker 19 (02:14:30):
Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll
come up with a guitar. But thank you, thanks for
having me and thanks for the support.

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
Pleasure, Mandy. It's been a real treat. Born in a
cotton plantation in Heywood County, Tennessee's parents were sharecroppers, but
through hard work and a firm belief in Jesus, his
parents pulled him into seven siblings out of poverty. His
family started the Ellison Family Gospel Singing Group, where my
guests sang in played multiple musical instruments. As a child
and young adult, worked for five years as a correctional
officer at the Media Maximum Kirkling Correctional Institute and me

(02:15:00):
a South Carolina and then it went onto the nonprofit
arena and received the Republican Party nomination for the South
Carolina six Congressional district in two thousand and He is
an author. You may have read the book The Iron
Triangle Inside the Liberal Democrat plan to use race to
divide Christians in America in their quest for power and
how we can defeat them, a number one best seller.
And I could go on and on and on about

(02:15:22):
his resume. Vince Everett Ellison, Welcome to the fifty five
KS Morning Show to talk about your new book, Crime Incorporated.
How Democrats employ mafia and gangster tactics to gain and
hold power. It's a pleasure having you on the program.

Speaker 18 (02:15:34):
Sir oh Man, thank you so very much for having me.
And as you said, I was one on a cotton plantation,
Hey County, Tennessee. A lot of people don't know this
as a more violent fashion of the kuklu Klan, who
was at that time that the military wing of the
Democrat Party was in Tennessee and the Grand Wizard of
the ku kluk Klan lived in Brownsville. So these Democrats

(02:15:57):
that have been chasing me and trying to kill me
my whole life, they are a criminal organization. They are
an evil organization and they always have been that. And
I've written my book Climbing to explain it to the
American people. So I want all your listeners to go
to Vince e. Ellison dot com or they got to
Ellison dot com and you can and you can get
the book and you can look at the trailer my
great documentary.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
Also, they'll be happy to do that. And I've made
it even easier for Evince. We put your link on
my blog page as well, fifty five cars dot com.
My listeners need to go there to get copies of
books as well as the podcasts of interviews. This I
mean the words that describe your book and what you
reveal in it, murder, sex, trafficking, defunding the police, disarming
lawbid and citizens. This is all organized by the Democrat Party.

(02:16:40):
And what frustrates me to no end, Vince Everett Ellison,
is that they accuse the Republicans of doing everything that
they're guilty of doing. They call Republicans fascist when they're
the ones that want to dictate every determined condition of
our lives, taking away our freedoms and liberties. How is
it that they're so able to get away with flip
the narrative on Republicans and accusing them of the very

(02:17:03):
things that they do.

Speaker 18 (02:17:05):
Well, Because one of the chapters in my book is
I'm exploiting a patsy every great criminal, Every great criminal
always has it patsy before you even commits the crime.
And that's what the General Fact Party does. Even during
the Civil War. Then they said that the patsy was
the Union Army. They told the slaves that the Union
Union army is your inn, not us. So now what

(02:17:27):
they do every crime, they say, we're going to put
it on the Republican Party. And because the Republican Party
does not exist, anywhere inside of the black community. Of course,
black people believe it that you have the iron traang
on my first book, I told you you talked about it.
The black preacher, most black preachers, most black civil rights workers,
and most black politicians.

Speaker 7 (02:17:46):
They work.

Speaker 18 (02:17:46):
They are conduits between rich white liberals and the black community.
And their job is to make sure that Black people
vote for these rich white liberals by hooker, by crook.
They bribe them, sold to the polls, ballot harvesting, street money, intimidation,
you name it, they do it, and they're good at it.
And as you and I know, as an all ball

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billion terms, this is the ninety percent of any gear
is just showing up. Democrats show up in the Black community.
Republicans do not. They hit a Democrat message, they don't
hear a Republican message, and there you have it. It's
just that stumple. So they have a patsy, and the
patsy is the GOP, and the GOP is a willing, ignorant,
stupid patsy that allowed themselves to have all these sins

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come completely thrown at them and they just sit back
and grand and take it.

Speaker 6 (02:18:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
Can I get your reaction, sir, when a man like
Joe Biden, here's one of those rich white liberal guys,
has the audacity to go on and say out loud
that if you don't vote Democrat, you're not black. I'm
offended by I'm a white guy, man, I'm offended by that.
I'm also offended by Democrats who ground saying that black
people are incapable of getting a photo ID or incapable

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of voting on election day. This is an absolute, outright
insult to an entire c some people, My friend.

Speaker 6 (02:19:02):
Well, this is well.

Speaker 18 (02:19:03):
I have a chapter in my book about this too,
the how Lamofia and how the organized crime demoralize their customers.
This is how they get them poorn, loan, shocking, drugs, gambling.
These people are demoralized, and they demorlize. They beat them,
they slap them around, they custom out, They treat them
like dogs. The Democratic Party has done the same things
as the black community. When you go into the inner

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city of America, you see a demoralized group of people.
The Communists keep that people under control of the same way.
They put them in concentration camps, give them bad education,
tell them that nothing, tell them that they are not
children of God. Tell them that they belong to the state.
They've done that to the black community. And so when
you demorlize the person, you can bring their information. You

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can show them everything. You can show it a demoralized
drug addict that the crack is killing it and he
won't leave it. You can show it demralized alcoholic that
the alcohol is killing him and he'll still drinking. You
can take a the demorralized woman whose husband is beating her,
a boyfriend is beating her almost to death every day
and say you must leave them, and she will not go. C. S.
Lewis said, hell is a choice, and people choose it

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every day. Good but the good news is you can
unchoose it. Get crime int It'll tell you all about it.
It talks about also how the day's Democrat Party, it's
not your grandfather, and then of the Democrat Party they
were just a rabble of ignorant Kukula's plan racist. But
in nineteen seventy two, it talks about how the Marsians
and the civil rights movement jumped from the Civil rights
movement to the Democrat Party and then they took it

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over and made it a Marsians, a Martians organization and
the finishes every spent holy but Shureley turn the Democrat
Party from a rival of ignorant racist into the most
sophisticated crime family in the history of the world. The
Democrat Party is an evil organization. They've always been an
emuls They've always been evil, they always will be evil,

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and we have to stop them.

Speaker 1 (02:20:52):
Did your I mean we were out speaking with people,
you know, in among the black community, to go to
these poor, impoverished neighborhoods where you grew up in those
types of areas, and you preach your and you do
sound like a preacher. You are a firm advocate. You
mean what you say, and you say it in such
a convincing way. What is the response from people who
have been indoctrinated into believing that the only way for

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the poor, impoverished black person is to vote for Democrats?

Speaker 18 (02:21:17):
Standing ovations all around because they never heard the real message. Look,
I did a documentary that I want your viewers to watch.
The trailer from Tucker Carlston debuted on his show Before
They Are Thoughts. The documentary is called Will You Go
to Hell? From Me? And the interesting thing is here
in Lynchburg Virginia where I live. A group of Republicans.

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They rented out a theater and showed us about a
thousand people, ninety percent of them white. They gave the
standing ovation at the end. Then in mississ Tennessee at
World Overcomers Church, the largest by church in Memphis, twelve
thousand and five, on that member church, they showed the
same documentary. They got the standing ovation there too. Why
because I give up the truth. People have their phones

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out looking at facts, and I give them actual fact.
I proved to him that Martin Luther King Junior was
a Martians, that he was an apostate preacher. I proved it.
I showed that he got the Market Sing Award in
nineteen sixty six, the first recipient of it. I approved
that Margus King Junior was kicked out of the Black
Church I'm trying to take it over from Martians in
nineteen sixty one, and he started his own religion. He

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was kicked out of the National Baptist Conventions for killing
a peak preacher on the floor trying to take it
over for the Communists in nineteen sixty one, and so
they kicked him out and he started his own religion.
He called it the Progressive National Baptist Convention. It's the
secret of Raspail Warnock to serve it from from Georgia
belongs to yeah as an apostate group of crazy libertine ministers.

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I proved that Martin Luther King Junior was behind the
man outcalls in welfare, where if you catch a man
at home, the family can get no help from the
federal government. And in one generation the black community was
having eighties of their children being born in wedlocks, eight
percent being born out of wet locks. I proved that
in his I Have a Dream speech, he said, one

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hundred years after Emancipation Proclamation, the negro is still not free.
And he said five times in their speech that we
were not free, which is a lie. And then he
said at the end of it, and you remember this
refrain that on a certain certain day we'll be free
at land, free at land. Thank God Almighty, we're.

Speaker 7 (02:23:20):
Free at lands.

Speaker 18 (02:23:21):
Well, the course of the Declaration of Independence and John
Locke from the Second Taries of Government, I was born free.
My freedom is a gift from God. It's an unalienable right.
It is irrevocable, non transferable, and unsalable. It precedes the constitution.
Government cannot touch it. That speech turned the Declaration of

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Independence on its head, and we make our children say
it every year, and our children and our children is
right over and over again that we are not free.
We are free American. It's supersedes and it turns around
everything that we believe about who we are. That our
freedom comes from God. And Marninuther King Junior said, we
have to go to government for our freedom. And this
is that's why we have had a retrogression in the

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black community. This is why we march and we sing,
what are you saying in that speech? We will never
be satisfied. When will we be satisfied? Never until truth
rolled down like water and right to this like a
mighty stream. That's the fast way of saying never telling
us to start white America, telling us to cry and
beg and slobber and get the hell beat out of us,

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to try to get man to accept us. Where God says,
you don't worry about man, you worry about me. You
turn to God, not government. And this is why we're
at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America. And
the best thing the white conservative ever did was lead
the Democrat Party because they hadn't left them. They be
exactly what the Black community down at the bottom of everything.

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So when I explained this to black people, when I
show them why you are where you are, Jesus said
that the tree is known by the fruit that bad.
You cannot get good food from a bad tree or
bad food from a good tree. Each tree and his
fruit be out of his own. If the Black community
is bad fruit right now, then the tree it came
from with the bad fruit too, and the bad food
is a Democrat Party and the civil rights movement. You

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can't get around it. So what do we do?

Speaker 6 (02:25:08):
We believe what our Bible says?

Speaker 18 (02:25:10):
What did God tell came when King was angry because
he had rejected his offering? He said, King, why are
you angry? If you do well, will you not be accepted?
And if not, saying weas at the door to master you,
you must master it. If you do well, will you
not be accepted? And the left has not done well,

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so they tell people to march, envy, hate, treds christ burn,
baby burn, no justice, no peace. Well, Jesus Christ, it
my peace I give to you. Now let I leave
it with you. We'll not free, he said, he who
the sign has free is free. Indeed, the civil rights
movement was an anti Christian movement. It was an anti
American movement. And now we have to go back to

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our manhoods, to our gods, to our Bible. And it's
going to take good Christians, black and white to unify
and turn this country around. That's what I write about,
that's what my films are about. Go to my website
and watch it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
It'll rock your world absolutely. And get a copy of
his book, Crime in Corporated How the Democrats employ mafia
and gangster tactics to gain hold, a gain and hold power.
By my guest today, Vince Everett Ellison, Your strength of
conviction is amazing, my friend. I can hear it in
your voice. I know that it's flowing through your blood,
in your veins. The freedom that we enjoy, we own it,

(02:26:23):
it is ours.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
Do not deny it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:25):
Get the book and Roches's film. Will you go to
Hell for me?

Speaker 4 (02:26:28):
Vince?

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
I could hear you all day long, man, powerful words.

Speaker 18 (02:26:33):
Let me tell you, let me tell you people who
our last name. We cannot be oppressed, we cannot be victims.
I am air of Jesus Christ, I'm a child of God.
I cannot be a victim. I cannot be oppressed. So
whenever a Christian walks up, whenever a Christian black person
walks up you and tell you that they have victim
and they're oppressed. You asked them, how can you be impressed?
You be on the air if you just christ on
town of God and tell them I love you. I'll

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help you do anything, and I help you exercise your freedom.
But if you try to take anything from me or
hurt me, you got two things to to get you
off me. That is Jesus and my thirty eight. You
better not tell.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
I love that Vince, you know. And that's why Marxists
hate religion. There is something beyond their state control. There
is something that transcends there.

Speaker 18 (02:27:15):
It is you hit it right on the head. That's
why they hate God. They do not compete for power.
They know if they go against him they lose. See,
they can't oppress people like me and you. We know
how power comes from you. And I look them in
the eye and say try it. If you kill me,
I go to be with God. But you will not
make me your slave. And you will never make me crawl,
and this is the message that we have to give

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to the men of America. The men. We are the
descendants of the people who beat the British Empire, were
the descendants of the ones that's on the beaches of Normandy.
That's who we are. A strong resiliant people. We're Americans, man.
We don't back down from nothing. Three hundred and sixty
five times in our Bible, God ordered us to fear not.
I fear no man.

Speaker 2 (02:27:54):
We go forward.

Speaker 1 (02:27:56):
Vince ever Elison, everyone's getting your book My friend Crime
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Check out Vince's pace as well. Follow him, check out
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It has been a real pleasure to have you on
my program. You're welcome any time you'll want, my friend.
I'll love to look forward to heaven reading your next
book when it comes out.