IHeartMedia Aviation Expert Jay Ratliff talks about the week in aviation

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Time of the nine first winning wee forecast sunny for
the most part, very humid day today, they're saying it's
gonna be isolated afternoon showers of a high eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Showers and storms are likely.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Overnight overcast of the drop to sixty nine got rained
Tomorrow morning as well as afternoon in isolated form cloudy,
all day high of eighty seven, overnight cloudy with a
chance of showers of storm sixty nine, and on Saturday
going up to eighty three. Sunny, but a chance of
showers kicks in after two pm, right out sixty eight degrees.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let's find out about traffic.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
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with an accident above two seventy five. They're on the
left shoulder. Then break lights from two seventy five off
and on down the Red Bank. Northbound's running heavy Between

(00:51):
the latter and Red Bank. Northbound seventy fives running close
to an extra twenty minutes from Florence into town Chuck
Ingram on fifty five krs the talk stacial.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Ah, that's a si relief from Brian Thomas that it's
Thursday and it's that time of week. I always look
forward to kind of moving away from politics for the
most part and enjoying a lively discussion with my good
friend iHeart Meat, the aviation expert rate Jay Ratliffe. Jay,
you have no idea how much of a joy and
pleasure it is to talk to you a lot Thursday
at this time.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
We'll come back.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm just I'm just glad from Savannah that the phones
and everything still works.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
True. Yeah, water everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
We took a fourteen minute or fourteen mile drive back
from Savannah last night.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It took more than two hours. Oh my god. Is
that because the water?

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, well, a lot of the roads are still closed
at the Oh yeah, we're in the low country. So
when you get a tropical storm that sits over head
for three days, that all that water has nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, you're pretty much right at sea level, aren't you.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I think we're about seventy five feet above or we're
just south of Richmond Hill. But I seeing the community
respond as they had. I mean, you had neighborhoods that
the streets were all water, the water was making its
way up to the house. And he had hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of volunteers, and none of them from
that area. People were coming from you know, miles away

(02:17):
with boats, stand bags, doing what they could to uh,
you know, try to help out their their fellow man.
And I tell you it was it was really nice
to see nobody wearing you know, political shirts, talking, you know,
Michigan State going on. It was simply you know, here
to help their neighbor.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And it was great to say, well, isn't it a
nice thing?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
In the worst of times you can actually see the
best of humanity sometimes the worst as well. But it's
it can be uplifting. It can renew your your your
your belief in in people generally speaking, or humanity generally speaking.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So that's kind.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I remember this the the the members of our political
party standing on the steps, uh singing the national anthem
after the attacks nine to eleven. I mean, we we
can come together when we really have to. It's just
a shame we don't do it more often.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Isn't that the truth? All? Right?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, let's pivot over to our first aviation issue of
the morning, and it involves political correctness.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Why not let's go there.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, Delta Airlines, like you know, they just don't want
to offend anybody, Brian, so you know they've decided to
no longer insult us and there excuse me, I have
to read this because it's a very long title. Delta's
Chief Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Social Impact Officer. That's what
a CDEI s O has said that Delta striving to

(03:36):
boldly pursue equity. And they're thinking that the the long
used term of ladies and gentlemen should no longer be
used because.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
It could actually.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Insult people and make certain people not feeling included. Now,
I don't know, uh, what if you can't use ladies
and gentlemen, which is a term United British Airways loopthons,
a bunch of these air lines have all long since abandoned,
what term can you use that someone won't find offensive?
And my position is, I don't care if you use

(04:08):
the term human beings or everyone or somebody is somewhere
is going to be offended. So what point do we
Delta's Chief Diversity Equity Inclusion and Social Impact officer. At
what point do we stop trying to make everybody happy
and recognize, you know what, there's just going to be
some people that you know, you can please, others you cannot.

(04:30):
But Brian work or the pendulum has swung so far
it terrifies companies if they feel like they're not having
everybody included. And i'll tell you what it reminds me of.
Reminds me of Jesse Jackson all those years ago that
would go to companies and say, if you don't change
your policy on this and this, we're going to protest
in front of your business and the optics are going.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
To look horrible.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
And they were pressured into doing things. And that's exactly
what we see with so many of these companies. They're
being forced in this worl radical agenda of trying to say, look,
you know, do things our way, and sadly that's what's
taking place well.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
And the flip side of that is sane, rational, normal
people who still understand the difference between men and women
and aren't offended by such things, become offended when they
capitulate to these This this one small sliver of left
wing LUNYC.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, but the problem is we tolerate it and is
my carrier of choice because look, they've got the best
completion factor on the planet. But it bothers me. But
if there was another choice, if things bothered me so much,
I could go to another airline.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I would.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
But the point is, as long as we keep coming back,
their planes keep getting filled and they keep treating us
as they do either from a service standpoint or like United,
making sure that all of their you know, employees are
allowed to wear a pronoun button so that we know
not to call them mam or sir if that's not
what they want. It's it's hard to keep up. And

(05:58):
you know, Delta's policy is also if the men want
to wear a skirt at work, that can and if
the women, whatever you want to wear is fine because
we can't offend even our employees. Now forget the fact
that there used to be like a dress code. I
remember one time when I went to work with a
small little cross on my tie, I was told to
take it off because it wasn't part of the airline's

(06:21):
dress code, you know, And my boss said, Jay, look,
obviously I don't have a problem with that, but it's
not in line with our dress code. Did I feel slighted?
Did I feel like I wasn't included? Did I feel
like the entire thing should change on my account? No,
I recognized it for what it was. I mean that's
the dress code. I had to abide by it, and
I'm a representative of the airline, so that's what I

(06:42):
knew to do. To think anything other is to me
just not riot.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That certainly not right at all.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, and I was just trying to figure out what
they could say, you know, addressing a group, even just
using the word people or human beings as you mentioned,
that would offend the furries that might be in the audience.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You think that they're cats.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Or literally because we get we treat our cats and
animals better than people sometimes.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
So yeah, that's a very valid point.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And we'll be dressing the treating cats and dogs better
than people. In an upcoming segment about an attack on
a well Frontier agent, I saw that one in video.
But we've got other things to talk about as well,
including spoofing attacks more with iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Ratliff.
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Speaker 1 (08:51):
Remind my mind is Jay Rall if I say final
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Like oh my god.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
And I felt like that since I got here. Jay.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Some days, you know, you hit the ground running at
one hundred percent. In other days you wish you were
home in bed, not having to think about the troubles
of the world. That's this morning. So I apologize to
my listeners. Haven't been hitting my mark that much this morning,
and I just I feel terribly about that. When when
I have this sort of looming, depressed mental attitude. But
you know, the show must go on, my friend, and

(09:22):
let's move the show over to spoofing attacks. We talk
about this with Dave Hatter on Tech Friday. A lot
spoofing attacks, and apparently we got some concerns with airlines
spoofing attacks.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
It has been going on for some time, and Forbes
had an incredible article that they put out. They talked
about just how serious this situation is continuing to get
because what's taken place is in the Middle East, we've
had situations where planes have actually been in the wrong place,
They've been off course by maybe one hundred miles, or

(09:55):
they've been at the wrong altitude, and when they are
notified Bear traffic control, they later are able to determine,
wait a minute, our instrumentation is wrong. Oh no, and
it's been impacted by an outside source.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh no. Now you don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Why, you don't you don't understand, you know what the
intent is behind this. But I mean, we've had situations
where as many as two hundred flights in a day
have been impacted, nine hundred in the second quarter of
this year. But now we're seeing about thirteen hundred and
fifty flights that have encountered this. And what's happening is
it's starting to impact other systems like some of the

(10:34):
clocks and some of the other parts of the avionics
package that are being impacted. And this goes back to
a story that I talked about in twenty fifteen when
the Department of Homeland Security was at the Atlantic City Airport.
They went through security, they were sitting at a gate area,
opened up a laptop, and they were able to hack
into a Boeing seven to fifty seven I believe it

(10:56):
was at the gate. Now, they weren't able to get
into any of the critical components, but they sent out
an alert and it was very public at the time
to airlines saying, we have got to do a better
job at protecting our aircraft now. Sadly, what we've tried
to do with airlines is create this Wi Fi package
that they can use as a revenue stream, allowing passengers

(11:17):
who are flying to use the Wi Fi as we travel.
It's great, it's a revenue stream for them. The problem is,
and the concern is, have we opened up a doorway
that would allow somebody on board the aircraft or outside
the aircraft to actually get in and hack into the
aircraft's operating systems. So the fact that we're seeing this

(11:38):
happen as often and it's increasing. And again that Forbes
article I can't recommend enough. It's a great one that
just talks about how this is becoming more and more
of an issue. It was an August thirteenth edition article
if you want to look it up, but Brianda, it
talks about what we've known. This has been going on
for a while, and you know, when self driving cars

(12:00):
were becoming more and more the topic of conversation, there
was concern whether not somebody could hack into that, take
over a car and cause it to drive in a
way that we wouldn't want it to. Now we're talking
about it have been for years. Airlines that might be susceptible.
That seems sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Man, if you didn't have enough reasons to not want
to fly, add that to the list.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, apologies to everybody at the airport, but I mean,
at least we're discussing it, talking about it, and it's
not going to be something that can sneak up on us.
Because if something were to happen where an aircraft was
able to be completely taken over or to the point
where the crew would temporarily lose control. This is not
something that we can look back and say, Wow, where

(12:41):
did this come from, because we've been talking about it
for such a long period of time. But the frequency
of these attacks, and that's the only word I want
to use, has grown to a point that it is
beyond alarming. So obviously we got to find out what's
going on. And remember, airlines are not known for spending
exorbitant amounts of money.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
To be shall we say, a.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Super it current, because when you have nine hundred airplanes
and it's going to take one hundred thousand dollars update
something you're talking about, you know tens of millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Airlines are not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'll tell you what, Jay, we have a couple more
topics talked about. I'd rather than go long in this segment.
I just ask Joe, let me just pause you. We'll
bring back because we've got a couple more like For example,
isn't it a problem if a pilot isn't certified to
land place we're gonna get hub delays? And we'll talk
about another outrageous incident. The number of outrageous incidents are
just growing at airlines and on airlines every single day.

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eighty seven tomorrow with overnight lowes sixty nine at chance
of showers. This is Sunday on Sunday, and once you
hit two pm there's a chance of showers on Saturday.
To go up eighty three seventy right now now time

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for final traffic.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
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dropping under the ten minute mark. Now out of our
linger into downtown northbound four seventy one slows a bit.

(15:38):
From Grand there's an accident on Glenway at West State
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
See the talk station, Hey forty nine fifty five Krcity
talk station full half hour with Jay Ratliffe. Loves saying that,
love doing it. And here's a question for you. Here's
your topic. Alaska Air Force a diverd after pilots is
usn't certified to land. If they're already in the air
they have to land, Why would they divert the flight?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Jay roles, It has to do with the airport itself.
And because look we're talking about Jackson Haw, Wyoming. You've
ever flown in and out of there. It's contained totally
within a national park. Yes, it is the only commercial
airport that is.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
They are very.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Specific, there's very specific entry and exit protocols because of
the wildlife that's there. And what ended up happening here
was you had this light on its way in and
the pilot reportedly says he's not certified to land. Imagine
being a passenger and hearing your plight your pilots say that.
So they were on approach into Jackson Hole, they land

(16:43):
over it in Salt Lake City. They swap out the pilots,
and the company comes out later saying no, no, no, no, no, no,
he was qualified. We simply did this to correct a
paperwork air related to the flight crew. That's how it's
being determined. So and they did it out of an
abundance of caution. So it could have been that there

(17:03):
are pilots that are rated in certain weather conditions on
the visibility, and there are times when some of that
can apply to the pilots operating in and out of
certain airports. Now, I cannot believe that any of the
pilots for Alaska Airlines slash A sky West, which is
the regional carrier that was the code share, would not

(17:24):
have been able to have a pilot that could have
landed in that type of situation. But for whatever the reason,
they divert to Salt Lake City, they swapped the crew out,
and then boom, they're able to get the passengers to
their destination.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
About three hours late.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
After the pilot says he's not certified to land. That's
certainly a term I do not want to hear my pilots.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Now I've been there. I mean, is the last slight
I was on a flight with a layer or that
ended up in Jacksonville. It didn't look very unique at
all other than the fact that it's in a park
and it's beautiful surroundings. But there's plenty of room to land,
and there's plenty of room to take off. So it
just looked like a fairly innocuous, easy to navigate situation.
I've seen some of those airports out in the word

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he watch his YouTube videos where it looks like they
have absolutely no no room for error or margin of error.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
So and like an aircraft carrier, but it's on a cliff,
you better nail it right, exactly all right.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now, moving over to yet another encounter with an unruly passenger.
I watched the video of this one. Some people just
need to get just be smacked right across the face.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, and I tell you when you had this happen.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
It happened in Chicago with a passenger that was upset
with a member of a Frontier Airline staff. And actually
it goes from counter to the to the agent where
the passenger gets on the other side of the counter
and gets so mad they rip up a computer terminal
and throws it at the agent. Now, obviously you have assault,

(18:54):
you've got probably trespassing from being on the wrong part.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Who knows what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
But obviously this individual is never going to fly Frontier
airlines ever again as well. But see that's the problem.
They don't share their no fly list. And I've always
said that anytime somebody is going to be indicted for
assault on a passenger or an airline employee, there's no
way on God's green earth we should allow that individual

(19:21):
to ever fly maybe not ever, but maybe a five
year time out thing on any US carrier. The problem
is airlines don't share that no fly list information, and
so that means this Frontier person can take all of
our wonderful personality traits and can fly on any of
these other airlines and perhaps create a situation that you

(19:41):
might endanger a flight or cause a diverted landing or
whatever might happen to be. And it's really unfortunate that
airlines they don't do it because of the cost continue
to refuse sharing their list. I understand if somebody gets
into a verbal back and forth with a flight attendant
and gets put on a I'd get that, But when
you're talking about terms of assault, then to me, it

(20:03):
should be crystal clear where that person cannot fly, because look,
it's not a right, it's a privilege, and if you
can't control yourself, then there's no way you should be
allowed the opportunities fly in any commercial airline at least
for a period of a few years.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
And I just I see something like that, and one
of my reactions was, I wonder what's set or off?
And it doesn't matter what's set or off. I don't
care if the guy called her, you know, some kind
of unconscionable word. You don't jump back there and start
throwing stuff around. There are other recourses you may have.
Just mind your p's and q's and do the things properly.
People just lost their sense of I don't know, perspective, humanity,

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whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Brian, I also told my agents all the time at
Northwest Airlines, we never know why somebody's flying. They may
have just lost a parent, a child. I mean, we
don't know what's going on in the world, and we're
many times the first point of contact after they get
that kind of news, So that again doesn't excuse that behavior,
but you recognize that we don't know what individuals are
going through that cause them to maybe this is the

(21:05):
worst day of their entire life, and when one little
thing goes wrong, it's the thing that lights the fuse
that off it goes. And obviously this kind of behavior
is never ever, ever and should never happen, but it's
just unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
But it's such a public.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Thing that if this person jumps on Delta flight and
causes a problem maybe where the flight is.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
In some sort of risk.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, I look at that as Delta Airlines would then
be liable because I would say, wait a minute, it's
public knowledge of how this person acted here and you
said okay to let her fly. Now, they may say
we had no way of knowing we took the reservation,
those kinds of things, but you know, from a reliability standpoint,
I would be afraid as another carrier to put this

(21:47):
type of personality on a flight not knowing.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
What might happen.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I agree, I agree, And you're thinking like a plane off, Slawyer.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
When you make it that I've been.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Hanging around you, brother for years, it's starting to rub off.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm feeling pretty good, all right, real quick.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Jay r Hub delays, it looks like Chicago is going
to give us some big time issues. Got a lot
of rain, limited visibility, and some wins that are heading
in that direction. Minneapolis may as well, but Rader really
thinks the problem children of the day are going to
be the two airports in Chicago. Some of those delays,
unfortunately going to probably approach ninety minutes. Other than that,
anywhere else in the country should be in pretty good shape.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Thank God for you. iHeart media aviation ext fort. Jay
Ratliffe lighting my load at the end of the day,
as I always appreciate.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Any time, brother, dam that great week.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
We'll talk next Thursday, and best of luck and love
to you and your better half, my friend.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Appreciate it. Thanks eight fifty six.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
If you've got Kere Steve talk Station, Donald and Neil
and the Inflation Reduction Act Anniversary. Earlier in the program,
Jack Casher with a book Ashley Ashley Babbitt Ashley The
Untold Stories of the Women of January sixth, and of
course my conversation with Jay Ratliffe there at the podcast page.
Thank you Joe Strecker for producing the program. God bless
you too, folks. I hope you have a wonderful day.
Tune in tomorrow for Tech Friday with Dave Hatter and
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