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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
SE see see slap pound seventy five. Continues to be
a slow go through the Blackman split down to the
lateral West found on the lateral, there's an accident your
pad up that's backing traffic close to Montgomery Road. Chuck
Ingram on fifty five krc the talk station.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
A thirty three fifty five KRCD talk station kick it
off a little bit late, easing up the valuable time.
Have one week with iheartmediaviation next for Jay rattle off time.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I very much. Look forward to and welcome back. Jay.
Always a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'm never a problem.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I'll be happy to wait until the dust settles, my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
No problem Thomas Massey. You know, if I'm gonna yield
any time to anybody, it's gonna be because Thomas Massey's
on the will.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No problem here.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I figured you felt the same way.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All right, let's get one under the belt and out
of the way before we take a break. Passengers being rude.
This happens more and more often every single day, not
just on airplanes.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's the passengers behaving badly theme.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think that's continuing here, Brian.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
It's the latest viral photo of a woman traveling in
first class. She's got her feet firmly planted on the
wall in front of her, thank you, and she's got
her electronic device plugged into the u USB port behind
her in row two. She was apparently stealing power from
the passenger behind her. And look, I'm not sure if
this entitled person had permission or not from the person
(02:00):
behind her, or if she just took it anyway, But
I mean, the picture of the deed has gone viral
with more than a few unkind comments, and I'm thinking, Okay,
I wake up from an app and I see the
person in front of me as reached behind and stuck
their power thing in my seat.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
What would I do was plug it? Plug it? Would
I try to cut it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
I want there to be some serious consequences for infringing.
And I'm not suggesting what people do, but I would
not take kindly to it. And you know some people,
if you comment on them, they don't care. I mean,
they'll just go about it and it doesn't really seem
to phase them, which is why I really think you
need consequences for this kind of behavior.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, I think just simply unplugging it, but I would
also have and my own USB plug to plug into it,
just so I can say, hey, I needed it, it's mine,
it's my seat, you know, in case they got out
of hand or root or something like that. But I
think it's since it's in your space and it's allocated
for your personal use, just going ahead and unplugged it
and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Is aokay? As a response, well, when.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You plug it, could you accidentally give it like three
big Yanks or something, just to knock something out of
her hands.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
He sounds to me like you want to take it
to the next level. Jay.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I'm trying to be our next aviation story, obviously, but
I'm just tired of people that, you know, reach over
when they're in the aisle seat and slam down the
window shade in front of the person that's sitting in
the window seat, or people that just infringe on other
people's space. And you know, it's one thing to kindly
ask and that's fine, but it's another thing just to
(03:35):
take it on your own to do it like you're
entitled to the whole row, or not only your row,
but the one in front of you behind you. So yeah,
that's me just just not acceptable. And you know, this
may have been a stage photo. I don't know, because
a lot of times we see things on airplanes that
I wouldn't believe had I not been there to see.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Valid point.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Always be jaded and cenecal when it comes to things
on the internet. That's what Abraham Lincoln's advice always.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Was, don't go away.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I heard be the aviation expert, Jay rattlife, We'll be
right back after these brief words tax Prepper above KARCIT
talk station Jay Radlife, Has I heard me the aviation Expert?
Every Thursday are on the fifty five Carscina Morning should
beginning a thirty for a few segments. Moving over to
San Francisco duking it out with Oakland? What's the story
on this one?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
You and I talked about this briefly back in May,
when the Oakland Airport officials were trying to find a
way to get more people to fly into their airport,
and they thought, you know, maybe people don't realize how
close we are to San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
So what they decided to do was change the name
of the airport to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport.
So they just took their same name of Oakland International Airport,
slapped San Francisco Bay on the front and thought this
would cause more people to recognize they're part of the
San Francisco Bay area and more people would fly there.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, it's an accurate description too, it is.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
However, is the San Francisco Airport trademarked?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Apparently there is some issue there because the San Francisco
Airport started pushing back, but not before a lot of
confusion by passengers who were heading to San Francisco saw
the name San Francisco Bay kind of skipped the Oakland
International Airport and they're landing at the wrong airport. They
get off the plane and fight, We're twenty three miles
from where we're supposed to be going, or twenty three
(05:21):
miles from my connecting flight. Not a good thing. A
lot of confusion was being created, and finally a judge
has stepped in and said, look, for now, we're going
to Oakland is not to be using the name San
Francisco Airport in their name.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Whether or not this temporary thing is going to hold
or not, I don't know, because I mean, it's the
San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport. So we'll see where
it goes. Because I don't see that as an infringement issue.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
No, no, no, Well, we're.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Just talking about the area that we're located in. But Brian,
the good news is Oakland is getting more passengers. News
is some of them weren't going there in the first place.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's really funny.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
But we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
San Francisco the city, there's San Francisco the Bay right yep.
And there's Oakland, which sits on San Francisco Bay right,
So a nice.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Alternative airport if you don't want to mess with the
larger San Francisco airport.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And a lot of suggestion there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All I can say is, you know, I don't know
a problem with Oakland doing it simply because it's an
accurate name.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It is. It's they're They're totally accurate.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
The problem is a lot of people that are flying
to San Francisco see San Francisco Bay and they're thinking,
okayur absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Listen man, that takes some responsibility for your own conduct.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm going with Oakland on that one.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
One vote on the side of Oakland.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
There you go, call it whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Uh, let's see here, spirit Air.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I saw this article and I kind of figured you
bring it up, wow, aka fire or something.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
A routine flight, I mean, you know, Frontier or excuse me,
Fort Lauderdale flying into Port of Prince Haiti like they
do every day, and the plane drops its landing gears
on final approach, when all of a sudden, gunfire rops
and they have to take evasive action. They fly out
of the Haitian airspace over the Dominican Republican land and
the pictures of the overhead storage compartment with bullet holes
(07:23):
going through them, significant size, quite telling, quite horrific. But
the issue here is, you know, we have probably four
or five flights today that were going into Haiti on
a daily basis with Jeff Blue and Spear and others.
But Brian, back in early September, the State Department on
their very useful website, and I'm being totally sincere here,
(07:46):
they have travel advisories to places around the world, and
when it came to Haiti, they were recommending not to
travel there because Americans were seeing an increased number of assaults, robberies,
kidnapping for ransom, and they added this little bit at
the end uh the airport could be a focal point.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
For armed activity.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, now this is early September, so now the airline'swhere
well it is, And you know, Sherry flew down there
after the earthquake and helped with you know, a lot
of some things with the kids and different things for
a week, and I was worried when she went. But
you know, since then it's only gotten worse. And you know,
now you have a situation where a flight attendant was
(08:28):
slightly injured.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I don't know if it was by the gunfire or
the evasive action.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
And but you're also thinking, okay, how many people are
going to sue Spirit Airlines because it's obvious that the
State Department said not a good idea.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
To go there, you decided to go there.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Anyways, the you know, the the advisory in early September
from the US government said armed focal point, you know,
armed activity. Is that gonna be something you know, people
can sue over the day of the week. So I
suspect that this is going to be interesting for Pirit,
who's having a rough week anyways, because they're about to
file for bankruptcy and their stock has dropped like sixty
(09:04):
percent this week. Yeah, please don't buy it, by the way,
And it's going to be interesting to see how things go.
Now the FAA has stepped in and said no US
carriers flying two Haiti for the next thirty days, as
we kind of see if any of this is going
to calm down, and I suspect it won't.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
And another good discussion.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
On this front is how many times have you and
I talked about the people that say they want a
totally automated flight deck. Tell me what that computer would
do if it's getting shot at. I don't know if
that would be part of the programmed response or not.
And knowing a lot of these men and women in
the cockpit are former military, some of which you have
been shot at before. Yeah, that's the experience I went
(09:47):
on the flight deck. If we encountered this kind of
situation flying anywhere in.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
The world, well, I have to tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But I mean, the State Department did not outright ban
They just recommended that people not go to Haiti. So again,
cave im for you got on a plane Haiti when
the State Department warned you ahead of time there could
be armed activity, it's your issue. As for Spirit, they
have no obligation to anticipate criminal activity. How in the
hell would they know that their plane's going to get
shot at.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
The US carrier.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So yeah, I would say they're free liability for that.
So once the State Department bans you outright from flying,
if they fly down there, then liability might crop up
because they're well, they're violating the rules in the FA
regulations at the outset, So yeah, I don't think. I
don't think they're going to have any issues with lawsuits,
or if they do, they will be promptly dismissed. That's
my legal judgment on that.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I was.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I always lean on you for that, and I look
forward to your interpretation of a lot of these things
because I'm curious. You know exactly how exposed an airline
would be on this, and you know, we've got people
in other parts of the state that listen to us,
and some have reservations on Spirit Airlines moving forward, and
I mentioned that they're preparing to file for Chapter eleven bankruptcy. Right,
(10:58):
if you have reservations on Spirit, don't worry. The airline
under Chapter eleven is just going to go through a
process that many US carriers have gone through, including United
American and others. So from our side of the counter,
you won't notice much different. You will see them change
some of their routes and they'll they'll do some different things,
but they're going to continue to operate under the court
(11:20):
approved and I guess supervised Chapter eleven process. So don't
let that prevent you from making future reservations or being
overly worried about upcoming reservations because they will continue businesses
as normal as they can. What really sent them off
the edge this week, Brian, was they were having problem
raising money and they went back to Frontier to see
(11:43):
if maybe they could rekindle those merger talks. Remember it
was the two of them a couple of years ago
that we're going to get together. I really liked Frontier
Spirit merging, and jet Blue kind of pushed in as
the new suitor offering more money, and Frontier was kind
of shoved to the side like a jilted lover to speak,
while jet Blue isn't approved for the merger, and Spirit
(12:04):
goes back to Frontier and Frontier says no, thank you.
And that's one of the reasons Spirit is seeing the
issues that they've been having this week announcing they're very
close to filing for Chapter eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, and I see Southwest Airlines also having a problem.
They were addressing their overstaffing issues, which is I guess
this a sign of trouble.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I guess they've never laid a single person off ever
in the history of that airline. And when we came
into the pandemic, that thought was, oh, that streak is
over and Back then, they offered the opportunity for voluntary separations.
It was an early retirement package for some of their
senior employees and Brian, they had nineteen percent of their workforce,
that is an unbelievable number step forward and said, look,
(12:47):
we've had a great career here. I'm going to take
an early retirement so the people behind me can enjoy
what I had. So even through the pandemic, they had
never laid a single person off. Now they're a point
where the Boeing aircraft delays have really impacted them, and
they've seen the service at certain airports shrink just a bit.
(13:07):
I think Cleveland's being impacted by this as well, a
lot in Atlanta and a bunch of other airports. Nothing
at Cincinnati right now, and they're being forced to offer
these early retirement packages, the voluntary separations to people to
see if enough people will take advantage of it, ending
their work the end of next month, December thirty first,
(13:28):
so they won't have to lay anyone off. If they
don't get enough people stepping forward, well, then Southwest is
going to be forced to do what most other airlines
have and the first time in their history as far
as actually laying off some of their employees. And this
is just a sign of the Boeing situation.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
A plus.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Southwest has been slow to adapt as far as offering
the premium seats and now the assigned seats and the
idea of baby charging for check bags. They're going to
have to do all of these things moving forward. So
they're a little slow, and we're bonding, but least they're
pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, point in the right direction is better that we
can better than nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
All right, well slower, Hey, look, if there's anybody that
can pull this stuff off, I'm convinced at Southwest.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I've proven it too many times before.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, you've sung the praises many times over the years.
All right, as we always then hub delays. How's it
looking out there for air travel today?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Jay?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Rain? I mean, obviously a lot of rain. We've had
issues in Atlanta, Charlotte's, Detroit. Those going to be the
three airports hammered the most. Some of those delays already
an hour. It's kind of moving towards the northeast. Might
give us some headaches there late this evening, but right now,
those are the airports that are fighting delays, and you know,
anything west of us looks great. The problem is that
(14:44):
weather that we have and it's moving towards the east
and causing a lot of travel disruptions.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Hey, Jay Riller's Advice ten and every Thursday at eight
thirty for more of the same. Jay Rale if it's
always a real pleasure to have you on the show,
my friend, I look forward to next Thursday and between
now and then as all always, best of health to
you and your better half.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Appreciate Brian, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
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Jan nine says it's going to be an overcast day
to day if you light showers fifty six for the
high overcast tonight, forty six for the low tomorrow overcast,
fifty seven for the high cloudy overnight tomorrow night, forty
four for the love come Saturday partly sunny Anahi have
fifty nine fifty three Right now, let's hear about traffick Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ingram from the UCL Traffic Center the University of Cincinnati
Cancer Center. It's home to nationally recognize pancratic cancer experts
who offer personalized care plans and new treatments through innovative
political trials called five one three five to eighty five u.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
SE see see slap pound seventy five. Continues to be
a slow go through the Blackman split down to the
lateral West found on the lateral, there's an accident your
pad up that's backing traffic close to Montgomery Road. Chuck
Ingram on fifty five krc the talk station.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
A thirty three fifty five KRCD talk station kick it
off a little bit late, easing up the valuable time.
Have one week with iheartmediaviation next for Jay rattle off time.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I very much. Look forward to and welcome back. Jay.
Always a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'm never a problem.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I'll be happy to wait until the dust settles, my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
No problem Thomas Massey. You know, if I'm gonna yield
any time to anybody, it's gonna be because Thomas Massey's
on the will.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No problem here.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I figured you felt the same way.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All right, let's get one under the belt and out
of the way before we take a break. Passengers being rude.
This happens more and more often every single day, not
just on airplanes.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's the passengers behaving badly theme.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think that's continuing here, Brian.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
It's the latest viral photo of a woman traveling in
first class. She's got her feet firmly planted on the
wall in front of her, thank you, and she's got
her electronic device plugged into the u USB port behind
her in row two. She was apparently stealing power from
the passenger behind her. And look, I'm not sure if
this entitled person had permission or not from the person
(02:00):
behind her, or if she just took it anyway, But
I mean, the picture of the deed has gone viral
with more than a few unkind comments, and I'm thinking, Okay,
I wake up from an app and I see the
person in front of me as reached behind and stuck
their power thing in my seat.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
What would I do was plug it? Plug it? Would
I try to cut it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
I want there to be some serious consequences for infringing.
And I'm not suggesting what people do, but I would
not take kindly to it. And you know some people,
if you comment on them, they don't care. I mean,
they'll just go about it and it doesn't really seem
to phase them, which is why I really think you
need consequences for this kind of behavior.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, I think just simply unplugging it, but I would
also have and my own USB plug to plug into it,
just so I can say, hey, I needed it, it's mine,
it's my seat, you know, in case they got out
of hand or root or something like that. But I
think it's since it's in your space and it's allocated
for your personal use, just going ahead and unplugged it
and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Is aokay? As a response, well, when.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You plug it, could you accidentally give it like three
big Yanks or something, just to knock something out of
her hands.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
He sounds to me like you want to take it
to the next level. Jay.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I'm trying to be our next aviation story, obviously, but
I'm just tired of people that, you know, reach over
when they're in the aisle seat and slam down the
window shade in front of the person that's sitting in
the window seat, or people that just infringe on other
people's space. And you know, it's one thing to kindly
ask and that's fine, but it's another thing just to
(03:35):
take it on your own to do it like you're
entitled to the whole row, or not only your row,
but the one in front of you behind you. So yeah,
that's me just just not acceptable. And you know, this
may have been a stage photo. I don't know, because
a lot of times we see things on airplanes that
I wouldn't believe had I not been there to see.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Valid point.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Always be jaded and cenecal when it comes to things
on the internet. That's what Abraham Lincoln's advice always.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Was, don't go away.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I heard be the aviation expert, Jay rattlife, We'll be
right back after these brief words tax Prepper above KARCIT
talk station Jay Radlife, Has I heard me the aviation Expert?
Every Thursday are on the fifty five Carscina Morning should
beginning a thirty for a few segments. Moving over to
San Francisco duking it out with Oakland? What's the story
on this one?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
You and I talked about this briefly back in May,
when the Oakland Airport officials were trying to find a
way to get more people to fly into their airport,
and they thought, you know, maybe people don't realize how
close we are to San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
So what they decided to do was change the name
of the airport to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport.
So they just took their same name of Oakland International Airport,
slapped San Francisco Bay on the front and thought this
would cause more people to recognize they're part of the
San Francisco Bay area and more people would fly there.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, it's an accurate description too, it is.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
However, is the San Francisco Airport trademarked?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Apparently there is some issue there because the San Francisco
Airport started pushing back, but not before a lot of
confusion by passengers who were heading to San Francisco saw
the name San Francisco Bay kind of skipped the Oakland
International Airport and they're landing at the wrong airport. They
get off the plane and fight, We're twenty three miles
from where we're supposed to be going, or twenty three
(05:21):
miles from my connecting flight. Not a good thing. A
lot of confusion was being created, and finally a judge
has stepped in and said, look, for now, we're going
to Oakland is not to be using the name San
Francisco Airport in their name.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Whether or not this temporary thing is going to hold
or not, I don't know, because I mean, it's the
San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport. So we'll see where
it goes. Because I don't see that as an infringement issue.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
No, no, no, Well, we're.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Just talking about the area that we're located in. But Brian,
the good news is Oakland is getting more passengers. News
is some of them weren't going there in the first place.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's really funny.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
But we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
San Francisco the city, there's San Francisco the Bay right yep.
And there's Oakland, which sits on San Francisco Bay right,
So a nice.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Alternative airport if you don't want to mess with the
larger San Francisco airport.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And a lot of suggestion there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All I can say is, you know, I don't know
a problem with Oakland doing it simply because it's an
accurate name.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It is. It's they're They're totally accurate.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
The problem is a lot of people that are flying
to San Francisco see San Francisco Bay and they're thinking,
okayur absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Listen man, that takes some responsibility for your own conduct.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm going with Oakland on that one.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
One vote on the side of Oakland.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
There you go, call it whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Uh, let's see here, spirit Air.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I saw this article and I kind of figured you
bring it up, wow, aka fire or something.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
A routine flight, I mean, you know, Frontier or excuse me,
Fort Lauderdale flying into Port of Prince Haiti like they
do every day, and the plane drops its landing gears
on final approach, when all of a sudden, gunfire rops
and they have to take evasive action. They fly out
of the Haitian airspace over the Dominican Republican land and
the pictures of the overhead storage compartment with bullet holes
(07:23):
going through them, significant size, quite telling, quite horrific. But
the issue here is, you know, we have probably four
or five flights today that were going into Haiti on
a daily basis with Jeff Blue and Spear and others.
But Brian, back in early September, the State Department on
their very useful website, and I'm being totally sincere here,
(07:46):
they have travel advisories to places around the world, and
when it came to Haiti, they were recommending not to
travel there because Americans were seeing an increased number of assaults, robberies,
kidnapping for ransom, and they added this little bit at
the end uh the airport could be a focal point.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
For armed activity.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, now this is early September, so now the airline'swhere
well it is, And you know, Sherry flew down there
after the earthquake and helped with you know, a lot
of some things with the kids and different things for
a week, and I was worried when she went. But
you know, since then it's only gotten worse. And you know,
now you have a situation where a flight attendant was
(08:28):
slightly injured.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I don't know if it was by the gunfire or
the evasive action.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
And but you're also thinking, okay, how many people are
going to sue Spirit Airlines because it's obvious that the
State Department said not a good idea.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
To go there, you decided to go there.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Anyways, the you know, the the advisory in early September
from the US government said armed focal point, you know,
armed activity. Is that gonna be something you know, people
can sue over the day of the week. So I
suspect that this is going to be interesting for Pirit,
who's having a rough week anyways, because they're about to
file for bankruptcy and their stock has dropped like sixty
(09:04):
percent this week. Yeah, please don't buy it, by the way,
And it's going to be interesting to see how things go.
Now the FAA has stepped in and said no US
carriers flying two Haiti for the next thirty days, as
we kind of see if any of this is going
to calm down, and I suspect it won't.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
And another good discussion.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
On this front is how many times have you and
I talked about the people that say they want a
totally automated flight deck. Tell me what that computer would
do if it's getting shot at. I don't know if
that would be part of the programmed response or not.
And knowing a lot of these men and women in
the cockpit are former military, some of which you have
been shot at before. Yeah, that's the experience I went
(09:47):
on the flight deck. If we encountered this kind of
situation flying anywhere in.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
The world, well, I have to tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But I mean, the State Department did not outright ban
They just recommended that people not go to Haiti. So again,
cave im for you got on a plane Haiti when
the State Department warned you ahead of time there could
be armed activity, it's your issue. As for Spirit, they
have no obligation to anticipate criminal activity. How in the
hell would they know that their plane's going to get
shot at.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
The US carrier.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So yeah, I would say they're free liability for that.
So once the State Department bans you outright from flying,
if they fly down there, then liability might crop up
because they're well, they're violating the rules in the FA
regulations at the outset, So yeah, I don't think. I
don't think they're going to have any issues with lawsuits,
or if they do, they will be promptly dismissed. That's
my legal judgment on that.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I was.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I always lean on you for that, and I look
forward to your interpretation of a lot of these things
because I'm curious. You know exactly how exposed an airline
would be on this, and you know, we've got people
in other parts of the state that listen to us,
and some have reservations on Spirit Airlines moving forward, and
I mentioned that they're preparing to file for Chapter eleven bankruptcy. Right,
(10:58):
if you have reservations on Spirit, don't worry. The airline
under Chapter eleven is just going to go through a
process that many US carriers have gone through, including United
American and others. So from our side of the counter,
you won't notice much different. You will see them change
some of their routes and they'll they'll do some different things,
but they're going to continue to operate under the court
(11:20):
approved and I guess supervised Chapter eleven process. So don't
let that prevent you from making future reservations or being
overly worried about upcoming reservations because they will continue businesses
as normal as they can. What really sent them off
the edge this week, Brian, was they were having problem
raising money and they went back to Frontier to see
(11:43):
if maybe they could rekindle those merger talks. Remember it
was the two of them a couple of years ago
that we're going to get together. I really liked Frontier
Spirit merging, and jet Blue kind of pushed in as
the new suitor offering more money, and Frontier was kind
of shoved to the side like a jilted lover to speak,
while jet Blue isn't approved for the merger, and Spirit
(12:04):
goes back to Frontier and Frontier says no, thank you.
And that's one of the reasons Spirit is seeing the
issues that they've been having this week announcing they're very
close to filing for Chapter eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, and I see Southwest Airlines also having a problem.
They were addressing their overstaffing issues, which is I guess
this a sign of trouble.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I guess they've never laid a single person off ever
in the history of that airline. And when we came
into the pandemic, that thought was, oh, that streak is
over and Back then, they offered the opportunity for voluntary separations.
It was an early retirement package for some of their
senior employees and Brian, they had nineteen percent of their workforce,
that is an unbelievable number step forward and said, look,
(12:47):
we've had a great career here. I'm going to take
an early retirement so the people behind me can enjoy
what I had. So even through the pandemic, they had
never laid a single person off. Now they're a point
where the Boeing aircraft delays have really impacted them, and
they've seen the service at certain airports shrink just a bit.
(13:07):
I think Cleveland's being impacted by this as well, a
lot in Atlanta and a bunch of other airports. Nothing
at Cincinnati right now, and they're being forced to offer
these early retirement packages, the voluntary separations to people to
see if enough people will take advantage of it, ending
their work the end of next month, December thirty first,
(13:28):
so they won't have to lay anyone off. If they
don't get enough people stepping forward, well, then Southwest is
going to be forced to do what most other airlines
have and the first time in their history as far
as actually laying off some of their employees. And this
is just a sign of the Boeing situation.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
A plus.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Southwest has been slow to adapt as far as offering
the premium seats and now the assigned seats and the
idea of baby charging for check bags. They're going to
have to do all of these things moving forward. So
they're a little slow, and we're bonding, but least they're
pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, point in the right direction is better that we
can better than nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
All right, well slower, Hey, look, if there's anybody that
can pull this stuff off, I'm convinced at Southwest.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I've proven it too many times before.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, you've sung the praises many times over the years.
All right, as we always then hub delays. How's it
looking out there for air travel today?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Jay?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Rain? I mean, obviously a lot of rain. We've had
issues in Atlanta, Charlotte's, Detroit. Those going to be the
three airports hammered the most. Some of those delays already
an hour. It's kind of moving towards the northeast. Might
give us some headaches there late this evening, but right now,
those are the airports that are fighting delays, and you know,
anything west of us looks great. The problem is that
(14:44):
weather that we have and it's moving towards the east
and causing a lot of travel disruptions.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Hey, Jay Riller's Advice ten and every Thursday at eight
thirty for more of the same. Jay Rale if it's
always a real pleasure to have you on the show,
my friend, I look forward to next Thursday and between
now and then as all always, best of health to
you and your better half.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Appreciate Brian, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
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