IHeartMedia Aviation Expert Jay Ratliff talks about the week in aviation

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Channel nine says, this is about the weather.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We're experiencing some rain or broadly applause across the region
right now. That's going to go away by this afternoon.
Clear skies will follow. I have just seventy degrees today
to be clear every night as well, with a low
fifty two, partly cloudy sky's return tomorrow. Isolated showers are
possible eighty two for the high fifty five overnight, they're
expecting rain and a few strong storms are a possibility overnight.

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Then we'll see a high of seventy on Saturday, with
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Eight thirty on a Friday, Eve Yang, I always look
forward to this time. You get to hear from my
heart MEATIA aviation expert Jay Rattlift got can make more
than about forty eight seconds in trading in the market
than you and I making a week's worth of salary.
Welcome back, Jay, It's always great talking to you.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, now I can't tell you what I'm doing this
morning because you'll you'll make fun of me. But okay, yeah,
this stock while I was on hold, so ah, it's
it's up a couple of dollars. But look, I love
doing what I'm doing. It's I loved when I worked
for Northwest Airlines, but you know, when they kicked me
to the curb, I had to find something else to do.
And I get to at least still talk about aviation

(01:43):
while I make a lot more than they ever paid me.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
See that's what it's all about. Daytrade fun dot com
fi Jay, learn about it anyway, Jay Rattle a free
plug for you on that, and then let's start with
the most recent story afforded me this morning. I'm like
What the hell is this all about? They dumped an
airplane loto fuel on school children.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, this goes back to January twenty twenty. We had
a Delta Airlines flight LA to Shanghai had just taken
off and they encountered mechanical problems, so they had to
return back to Los Angeles. Now, the problem is, when
you take off, you have a maximum takeoff weight that
you cannot exceed. It's weight and balance. It's very carefully

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orchestrated for safety reasons. So just as you have a
maximum takeoff weight for takeoffs, you have the same sort
of minimum weight for landing to make sure that structurally
it's going to be okay on the aircraft. So when
this airplane takes off, it's fully fueled, it's on its
way to Shanghai, and as it turns around to come back,
they're too heavy to land. So they've got to reduce

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the weight so that they can land that airplane that
has the mechanical situation as quickly as possible. On this
Boeing Triple seven, so they start dumping fuel. Now, when
you say dumping fuel, don't think of it as you're
standing on a on the porch or on a roof,
pouring a bucket of water on your brother or sister.
This is a fine mist that comes out on the

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wings that is kind of designed to dissipate in the
atmosphere where it's it's just kind of a fine mist. Well,
they dumped fifteen thousand gallons of this fuel so they
could reach a safe landing wave, and unfortunately it was
kind of over a park Avenue elementary school. Yeah, so
sixty kids and teachers you know, had this little rain

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coming down on them and of course skid, skin, irritation,
lung irritation. They weren't hospitalized, but they did require some
medical attention. Well, a lawsuit went from there, and Delta
has agreed to pay seventy nine million dollars in the
settlement after dumping fuel on school kids. Just that headline
alone is bad. But yeah, seventy nine million bucks.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
It sure is.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I suppose some legitimate say, I mean, you mentioned, you know,
exposure to it, but I guess is that probably can't
be reflective of the actual damage that they incurred and
just you know, go wipe it off and you're going
to be fine.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, I'm sure they had you know, distress and all
the other legal terms you're so aware of. Yeah, yeah,
but it took a while for him to go through this,
and it's you know, when you have a situation like
that and an aircraft has to land quickly, they take
whatever measures they can. And sure, yeah, it would have
been been convenient if they could have gone out over
the ocean if they had the time, and dumped the

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fuel and then came back in. But yeah, they did
what they had to do, and I'm sure if they
had to do it again, especially after a seventy nine
million dollars settlement, Delta would find another way to do it.
But depending on and I don't know the specifics on
the severity of the mechanical situation on if it was
something that required that airplane to land immediately or not,

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and kind of go from there, because you don't want
to see clean landing too heavy because if it did,
and then you know, the landing gear failed and it
kids across the runway, the fuel break open, and have
all kinds of really bad, bad issues that take place. Right,
So there's procedures in place, and we're glad that they
have them.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, and of course you know that emergency situation had
to be a mitigating factor. I'm sorry we had to
land right away. We didn't have the benefit of being
able to fly out over open water and do this.
I mean sorry, you got rain. Now with a little fuel,
you were in no risk of life. Nobody was smoking
on the ground. It wouldn't have lit up because there's
not enough parts per million of fuel mixed in the
air to make inflammable. Sucks to be you, but had

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we landed, we might have well killed everybody on the airplane, so,
you know, and a lot.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Of people on the ground as well. And when you
have a situation like this, some of the airplanes do
not have the capability of dumping fuel, so what they
have to do is fly around in circles for like
two hours off enough fuel so that they can land.
So you know, fortunately, Going Triple seven is an aircraft
that had that capability. It's an international aircraft. They were

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able to, you know, to dump the fuel as they
needed to. Again, dumping is kind of a probably the
wrong term, but that's the term we use in aviation
when that fine myth is used. As far as it
going out. But everybody's okay as far as you know.
Some of the I hope minor medical issues. I don't
want to downplay anything that the kids or teachers went through,

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but I suspected seventy nine million dollars. It's going to
feel a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Should take the staying out of it.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
That's that's the word I was looking for.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Coming up.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Extra cockpit barriers, scantly cloud playboy playmates and jets running
into each other on the ground in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
More with Jay Ratliffe.

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Speaker 2 (06:44):
Someone who has spent a lot of time in the
cockpit Jay Ratliffe, I heard media aviation expert pivoting over.
Is a secondary cockpit barrier really necessary? Southwest Airlines, I
guess the first one to use them. You already have
a pretty darn secure door. In the aftermath of nine
to eleven, they really beefed up those cockpit doors and
put new rules in place. My understanding, so what's with Southwest?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Well, Southwest is just the first airline to have them.
It was in twenty eighteen that it was determined that
every US airline was going to have aircraft was going
to have this secondary cockpit barrier. Because when we fly
and one of the pilots needs to use the laboratory.
The procedure you've seen they one of the flight attendants
steps into the cockpits. You have two in there at

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all times. You have another flight attendant that takes a
beverage cart, turns it sideways and basically stands there blocking
access to anybody who may try to get into the cockpit.
And the thought is, we really need something that's more
secure than just a flight attendant standing in front of
a beverage cart. So this cage door is simply something

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that is off to the side, so that when one
of the crew members needs to go and use the laboratory,
you have the flight attendant step in. This secondary door
swings open and locks, and that little hallway if you
will leave, yeah, to the cockpit, is it locked. Nobody
can get there. It's secured, and it's better than having
a flight attendant that is, you know, simply standing there

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with the beverage cart.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Fair enough on that one, no argument from my perspective.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
All right, but again, Brian, we're trying to prevent the
last attack, which is typically what happens in aviation, instead
of trying to predict what the next attack would be
we're always looking back, and you know, sadly that's the case.
But I'm certainly not fighting against it because I think
it's a good idea to have.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
That sounds fair to me. Yeah, extra safety and of
a problem. What's with playboy playmate being told to button up?
The favorite job of any flight attendant is having to
deal with people who really really smell so much they
shouldn't be on the plane, or are dressed inappropriately. That's
a harder call, though, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Jay Incredibly subjective, And what happened was this woman who
was traveling from Atlanta on American Airlines boards and the
flight attendant tells her she needs to button up her
shirt now, Braan, She's wearing leggings, she has a crop
top that isn't totally revealing at all, and a very
big flannel shirt over her shoulders that's unbuttoned. It didn't

(09:10):
look revealing at all. And as you're looking at this,
and yes, I had to study the picture closely for
a period of time because that's what I do, there
was nothing there. And I've seen a lot of situations
with people that are a lot more revealing. Allowed to
fly now American Airlines is apologized, and you know, the

(09:31):
woman that bored it, she said, look, here's the issue.
I'm seeing people bored that have a lot less clothes
on than I do. And they're not being stopped, they're
not being pointed out, they're not being subjected to what
I'm being subjected to. And she's got like a million
followers plus on social media, and the thought is that
this isn't right. And you know, American Airlines has said

(09:53):
they're looking into it to see what happens. But you know,
you're exactly right. It's such a subjective situation. If somebody
has offensive language on their shirt, okay, you've got to
turn that inside out or cover it up. That's obvious.
If somebody knows like they've not taken a bath in
three months, the same sort of situation. You've got to
address that. But when it comes to the clothing and

(10:15):
that type of thing, well, one person may find objective,
another person may not. But look, Han, I've been working
the gate area and a flight attendant came to me
on this, Brian, I would never have told that woman
that she was not dressed appropriately because I thought she
you know, she looked fine.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, it looks fine to me.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm staring at the photo intently as well, Jay Ratliff,
and I wouldn't mind being.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
So we're paid to do stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know, I wouldn't mind being seated next to her.
She could have the aisle seat or the window seat,
either way, all right. Pivoting over.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Bankruptcy again for spirit.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yep, second time in a year. They of course, they
announced a few weeks ago that they are maybe a
year from running out of cash. So what's taking place
is they've decided that filing for bankruptcy a second time
is the way to go to kind of help prolong that. So,
I mean, you know, their stock price just plummeted big

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time yesterday when it resumed trading, and it's the second
time investors have kind of gotten the kick in the
in the gut, if you will, with regards to the
airline filing for bankruptcy. But they're saying it's really the
only way that they can continue operating for an extended
period of time. And you know, we'll see if they
end up, you know, looking at another carrier that may

(11:33):
want to acquire them or something like that. We'll see
what happens I've been contacted by a lot of people
around the country, and I'm saying, look, if you've got
reservations for this fall, maybe even next spring, I'm not
that worried. Obviously, when we get in a next summer
and beyond, we'll have to see what's going to be
taking place. But yeah, I don't find Spirit. I don't
look for them to just kind of shut down all
of a sudden, So we'll have to see exactly how

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this is going to go. But the bottom line is
that we've got an airline that's in trouble. And you know,
the sad thing is, remember they walked away from Frontier
Airlines when Frontier was going to merge with them. Frontier
is now going after like twenty different markets that Spirit
flies in, trying to take their customers away from them.
They're offering in credit like fifty nine dollars fares, They're

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doing all kinds of things to attract customers that Spirit
desperately needs. So I mean, just the irony, if you will,
of telling somebody no, I don't want to merge with you.
Now they're coming after you because they smell blood in
the water.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Call business droke a genius, right, there is what I
call that one. We'll bring Jay Ratler for a couple
more stories, including a couple of jets running into each
other on the ground in San Francisco. Got to love
stories like that. It's eight forty six right now, if
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
Fifty five, the talk station men, summertime is four. More
time for the weather.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Enjoy the rains. First measurable rain we're getting in fifteen
days beyond to trace sixty see US seventy is going
to be our high today.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
The rain we are experiencing if you are.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Moving out by this afternoon, clear skies after that overnight
low of fifty two with clear skies eighty two to
the high tomorrow with partly cloudy skies with an isolated
chance of showers. Rain is definitely likely overnight, need even
some storms fifty five below and on Saturday, we're gonna
have some rain until around noontime with the highest seventy
and partly cloudy and cloudy skuys after that sixty four.

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Right now, time for final traffic.

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Speaker 1 (14:03):
I also call this segment with Jay Rath if I.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Heard a mediaviation expert appointment listening, because I have so
much fun with Jay every week. What is with United
Airlines jets plural running into each other on the ground
happen out in San Francisco?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
How does this happen?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Well, it happens at many airports around the country, sadly,
and I can say you from an airline management standpoint,
it drives us crazy. When you have an airplane that's
backing up, surrounded by walkers and employees at a low
rate of speed and it clips the wing of another airplane,
right we have It happened so often and there's no

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I mean, there's probably a slight risk of danger, but
to both airplanes, it's nothing more than okay, they hit,
both aircraft are now in a service mechanics have to
be called in, passengers and luggage are taken off. You
try to find another airplane to accommodate everybody. And not
only is that flight, but the downline flights for the
rest of the day are impacted as well, simply because

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the crew didn't do what they were trained to do.
And it happens way too often. And when you have
this type of aircraft damage, if the airplanes become you know,
they turn from silver revenue tubes into billboards that are
just sitting there doing nothing until they get checked out.
And they never should happen. And aircraft damage is something
that is always a huge priority for airlines, and you know,

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people lose their jobs over it, and it's just it
really shouldn't happen. And here it inconvenience to a whole
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, obviously, the ripple effect is a problem. They have
rules and protocols obviously to deal with, you know, inspecting
the planes adequately to make sure they're safe. Fine, is
this the fault of the pilot not paying attention to
the guy with the lighted sticks in his hands or
is this the lighted stick guys issue, it's.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
The ground crew because most of the time the aircraft's
being pushed back.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh yeah with a motorized vehicle. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
You have the pilots sitting there with you. They're checking
their instruments. They're just kind of sitting there with the
arms crossed a bit of an exaggeration, waiting essence to
take over the airplane. And you know, sometimes it happens
when the aircraft is taxing and they might clip. We've
had several instances of that. But this is just something
we're allowed on the planes a very tight area and
once being pushed back, boom. A slight bump is all

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it requires. And you know, game over flights are either
canceled or seriously delayed. And you know, if you're on
a plane when that happens, it's like, well, I guess
if we're going to be in a collision, let's do
it on the ground at a low rate of speed.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's one way I look at it. Maybe consider garnishing
their wages to cover the cost of the damage, just
saying anyway a trap. Apparently too many students and not
enough teachers. Over in the Air Traffic Control Department, what's
this all about?

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Jay Well, Donald Trump and the administration has made it
clear we're going to hire more air traffic controllers. That's great,
and now that the pipeline is starting to get full,
and we still remember it takes years to get these
people from the time they get into the program to
the time they're seated doing their job. The issue, of
course is now they have a limited number of trainers,

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people that are qualified to be trainers, and now there's
a shortage of trainers to train this influx of air
traffic controllers. So you now have a limited number of
people that are working over time, trying to keep up,
trying to do what they can. And what we're finding is, yeah,
we need more trainers. So you know, just as sent
as you have one issue addressed, now you've got another

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one that has come along. And right now you're kind
of looking at it as like like we need another challenge,
right but ye really, but at least the attention is
where it needs to be because President Trump is decided,
and I'm glad that, Hey, we need more air traffic
controllers because for a whole lot of years we've had
a shortage of air traffic controllers. And the technology that

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is being used. We've talked about that well just beyond archaic.
So the idea that both of those are being addressed,
and if he spends the next three to four years
making sure all of that gets fixed or gets us
closer to being fixed, it will be some thing that
will outlive him for twenty more years. It's a lot
like a Supreme Court justice nominee, where you do it

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now and it has a long term effect. That's what
he's doing. And sadly he's fighting people along the way here,
but at least we're pointed in a direction, and I'm very, very.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Glad to see it, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The idea they're still using floppy discs for air traffic
control is just kind of frightening in and of itself.
Jay Ratlo, if we always end on hub delays, how's
it looking out there for my listeners to get ready
to travel?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
A lot of weather headed towards the northeast, which means, now,
if you're flying and you caught an early morning flight,
you're going to be in good shape. As the afternoon approaches,
I think we're going to start seeing some issues in
Philadelphia maybe d C. But if it's early afternoon, you
should be okay. But as the later the day goes,
the more problematic. The Northeast is going.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
To be all right.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Looking forward to email telling me how much money you
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Jay?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
God bless you, sir. Thanks for spending time with my
listeners to me every Thursday. I really enjoy it. I'll
look forward to next Thursday another fun discussion, and of
course between now and then, best of love and health
you and.

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Speaker 4 (19:05):
The same to you, my friend.

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