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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
You'd be very happy you did.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
They got wonderful reporting there, including the reporting from White
House correspondent. Welcome back, Nick Gilbertson. It's a pleasure to
have you back on the program.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Nick. I hope you're doing well. Hey, Brian, doing very well.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thanks great, great to be here and.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
A good topic of conversation. Was an interesting revelation from
the New York Times. I don't think they necessarily intended
the article to turn out this way, but boiled Down
effectively points out that Biden actually did not individually approve
the names that a lot of the folks that he
pardoned via the auto pen. Now this has been widely
acknowledged that the auto pen was used rather than Joe

(00:53):
Biden actually sitting down on a document and signing his
executive orders, they have a machine that mimics his signature.
That is okay to use many presidents have used it,
but you must specifically authorize the use of the auto
pen for something that you know what's in it. You
can't just say there's no blanket authorization to use the
autopen for some something. Some random individual in the administration

(01:16):
decides he needs to be signed. But that sounds like
what happens. Nick, break it down from our listening audience,
would you please.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, absolutely, Brian. So, there were like four batches of
these pardons that Biden kind of issues here in the
last few months as president. And three of the four batches,
where you know, has to do with these categorical pardons
that were like large sweeping pardons over these swaths of criminals.
And the last, of course, was that those preemptive pardons

(01:43):
on the last day in office of family members and touch.
So yeah, the New York Times they buried it very
very deep in the article here, which was it was
written pretty I think friendly to Biden. Yeah, but quote,
mister Biden did not end visually approve each name for
the category oracle pardons that applied to large numbers of people.

(02:05):
He and AIDS confirmed. So that's Biden admitting that for
the Times rather, after extensive discussion of different possible criteria,
he signed off on standards he wanted to be used
to determine which convicts would qualify for a reduction in sentence.
But apparently they were still getting this information after Biden,

(02:26):
you know, had given his instructions and criteria from the
Bureau of Prisons, and the list kept getting of you know,
who's going to get pardon, kept getting edited, there were
small changes to it, and quote according to The Times,
rather than ask mister Biden to keep signing revised versions,
his staff waited and then ran the final version through

(02:48):
the auto pen, which they saw as a routine procedure.
He aids said, So that's Biden's not seeing the final
list of who he's signing off on to be pardoned there,
and it just calls into you know question, I think,
you know, many are questioning the legitimacy of these pardons
now that have happened, and you have Oh, go ahead, Brian, Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
No, no, I was gonna you conclude your thought. I'm sorry,
I interjected prematurely.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Okay, no, no worries.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, but I guess we're in an uncharted We're in
uncharted waters. Here is this ever come up in a
prior administration. I guess for as long as auto pens
have been around, this is a potential issue, but I
don't recall this ever coming up. That's somehow, in some
way an executive order signed by auto pen might be
void or negated because it didn't receive specific approval from

(03:39):
the president.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Absolutely, and there's I guess there was this process to
which this kind of what would go through according to
the Times, and you know their sources and emails they reviewed.
But so I guess Biden would you know, indicate in
these meetings what criteria he wanted for these you know,
batches of pardons to top advisors like cheapest staff Jeffrey

(04:05):
Siance and White House counsel Ed Ciskel, and then they
would relay so that like those wishes from Biden to
their assistants I guess, who reportedly weren't in the meetings themselves.
Then the assistance would craft reports that would get reviewed
by senior advisors like Science and Ciscol, as well as

(04:25):
others in the meetings, and then they'd make their way
to this woman, Stephanie Feldman, who is the White House
Staff Secretary and was reportedly in charge of the auto
pen So it's kind of like, you know, zience and fiscal.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
On the list.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, and it looks like they're the gatekeepers to you know,
what Biden said, and and you know, and they're they're
relaying the information. So I think it comes down to
it looks pretty interesting here this process through through which
through which these approvals went through.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
So it sounds me like assuming that Biden was you know,
coherent enough and capable enough of deciding what criteria he
wants in connection with these just literally thousands of convicted criminals,
he says something to the effect, Okay, if they're convicted
for a non violent drug charge and fill in the
blank xyz, then I would approve a pardon, but not

(05:21):
naming a specific person. So you take the list of criteria, Okay,
they meet these check marks, ABC and D, and Jeff
Science writes them down on a list and decides who
the people are that actually meet the criteria without Joe
Biden seeing it, approving it specifically, and then off it
goes to the secretary in charge of the autopen and
it's signed.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, And certainly that's what the Times report indicates, even
though they don't say it write that explicitly, they kind
of you know, play oh yeah, play around with the
work a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, I read the article.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
They dance around it as well as they can, but
I I mean, they did write that this is what happened.
So it puts these things on in the focus of
maybe trying to find them to have them legally declared void.
Now moving over from the prisoners, and we can argue
all day long and whether or not those they're appropriate,
But the preemptive pardons, it was the autopen used for

(06:17):
the likes of Fauci for example, because I know, I
guess Senator rand paul Is is going to go take
a crack at relaunching the criminal investigation into doctor Fauci.
So was the autopen used for those? Because I read,
at least in multiple places that Joe Biden actually wielded
his own pen when he signed a pardon for his

(06:37):
son Hunter.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
But what about the other ones?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I know Hunter was earlier than the other ones.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I believe the other.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Ones came on January nineteenth, and those were you know,
some family members I think doctor Fauci as well, and others.
And it's pretty interesting because so you know, we don't
know exactly how involved by the you know, Biden held
a meeting till late in the evening of January nineteenth.
According to the article about who you know certain pardons

(07:08):
he wanted, and one antidote in there too is pretty
interesting is Jim Clyburn, you know, actually who was instrumental
in getting South Carolina to flip for Biden in the
twenty twenty Democratic primary, spoke with the president or was
with the president earlier that day and convinced him to
add somebody to the pardon list. So pretty interesting. It

(07:30):
kind of I think it shows how impressionable.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Maybe Biden was malleable.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
So yeah, exactly right. So this pardon list gets I
believe it came from a Cisco aid, you know, And
this is very shortly after this meeting concludes. Her is
still going at like ten pm at night, and it
gets from a Cisco aid and I think over to
a Zience aid and it gets forwarded over to you know,

(07:56):
Zience and Feldman, who is again the White How Staff
secretary in charge of the pen and apparently within three
minutes of receiving this draft of apparently you know, a
draft summary of some pardons Science hits quote reply all
according to the Times, and then he wrote, quote, I
approve the use of autopen for the execution of all

(08:19):
the following parties. So I yes, approve the use of
autopen for the execution of all the following parts. Not
I Joe Biden, right, Not I approved this with Joe Biden.
I ran this by Joe Biden. I I personally approved.
So I think that's I mean, that's a major issue.

(08:39):
And I think too, as you know, this kind of
web kind of you know, people pull strings here and
kind of follow along where this story goes. I feel
like some of these people in the Biden administration will
probably start, you know, turning on each other here as well,
so we'll see, you know, you never know, but well,

(09:00):
I mean absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
The vehicle as an attorney, I'm wondering the vehicle that
would end up, you know, addressing this in front of
a court standing becomes an issue. But I guess if,
for example, if you take Rand Paul's illustration he wants
to go after doctor Fauci criminally, Fauci will assert his
preemptive pardon as a defense to that, and then Rand
Paul would say no, that presidential pardon is null and

(09:23):
void because Joe Biden didn't give specific authorization for the
autopend use on it. So that would be a vehicle
to litigate whether or not these are void.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, that would be a brilliant vehicle. Absolutely, And I
think you just laid it out there perfectly, Brian. Yeah,
Rand could absolutely explore, h explore that option.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think, well, well, and I guess there are other
criminal investigations could be looked into too, like the multiple
Shell corporations that were behind the scene, which seemed to
be the vehicle to blunder a whole bunch of money
to the Biden family.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, absolutely, to all those Shell companies that buy and
was or Hunter Biden was involved with, you know, Joe
Biden's brother there was involved with just just you know,
really amazing stuff here and it uh yeah, just again,
this this, this whole situation here with the auto pen

(10:19):
with these clemency decisions, just I think calls into question
even more so. You know, you know, as this scrutiny
builds in the in the mainstream media, because we you know,
we've been scrutinizing by mental acuity, you know, throughout the administration. Yeah,
you know, kind of getting on board here and finally,
you know, ending the game of pretend that nothing was

(10:43):
nothing seemed to be wrong. Yeah, I think it just
one of you tied it all together. It raises monumental questions.
And I think President Trump kind of pointed to that
yesterday too when when he said, you know, this is uh,
I believe quote, this is a tremendous scandal and maybe
something we haven't seen in fifty two one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
If ever, right, Well, and certainly that would be the case. Uh,
there is a a congressional committee that's been put together
to look into this. I guess I'm wondering because at
some point it seems that Jeff Zion is going to
be subpoena or asked to testify about what happened and
whether or not Biden actually gave his specific authority for
the autopen use. Someone's going to testify about this.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah. Absolutely. So we'll see if Science or Feldman get
you know, get called in here to what one of
these committees to you know, get questioned by Congress about
this and you know, tell their side of the story
or give testimony, and it will be interesting to see,
you know, what you can get out of get out
of them in those committees as well as you know

(11:50):
how willing some of them may or may not be
to testify in this well.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
And that goes so that goes to your point about
the wheels maybe falling off on this is if Jeff
isn't to lie, like, for example, if Biden did not
give specific authority and it was Jeff who specifically authorized it,
he may not want to testify to the contrary on
that because he puts his own freedom in peril by
lying to Congress. So I guess we'll have our popcorn

(12:16):
out and wait and see what unfolds on this one. Nick,
I don't know what else we can say about it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I agree. I think we just got to follow
the story here and see where see where it ends up.
And I think it's not going to end up in
a great place for the Biden administration or some of
the staff here.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Or some of the people who were pardoned.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
He might Oh yeah, well, Senator round Paul, if you're
out there, tee it up. We want the answer to this,
and we want it soon. And I know where we'll
read about the answer, and that'll be at Breitbart dot com,
where we're reading. Nick will be reporting on a Nick
Gilbertson the White House correspondent at Breitbart. I really appreciate
your time and that you follow this story. And again

(12:59):
going back to your point, you've been following this mental
declines from day one, and you've been accurate the entire
time on it. You sure didn't get to read about
that in the mainstream media of the legacy media, but
that's why we love Breitbart. Nick, have a great day,
and thanks for your time this morning.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
As always, Ryan, thanks for having me, have a great one.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Thanks brother. It's eight eighteen right now, fifty five kc
DE talk station. We're gonna get to Daniel Davis deep
dive coming to the bottom of the air of Trump.
I'm gonna give weapons to Ukraine this week as well
as maybe sanctioned Russia, although we have fifty days to
wait on that. We'll get his thoughts and comments on
that coming out first

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