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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
You'll be glad you did. Read it every day I
do in preparation for the Morning Show because I love
reading what Senior editor at Large Joel Pollock has to
write about. Joel, Welcome back to the Morning Show. It's
always great having you.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
On Good Morning from a sunny Washington DC.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Although ninety degrees for a Bengals home opener sounds pretty hot.
About how cold it's going to get by December?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Something, good point, Joel.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And as long as we play against teams like the
Cleveland Browns, were guaranteed victory, eddiehow Joel?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, we thought we were guaranteed victory going into the
fourth quarter last night at Chicago, and look.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
What happened there.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Look what happened. There's always roomed for disappointment in the
game of football, Joel Paulocke. I saw the morning environment.
It is most assuredly is we're here to talk about
what's going on in the situation with Israel and Gaza.
It's a very complicated mess. I know you're gonna break
it down for U if I saw the morning news.
Israel has issued an evacuation order for all of Gaza City.

(01:26):
It's expanding its offensive. I guess they have seventy five
percent control of Gaza City. They want everybody else out,
and according to the reporting, there are hundreds of thousands
of Palestinians kind of sheltering in the area. I don't
know where they're going to go. This has been an
ongoing complication. Egypt doesn't want them, nobody seems to want them,
but evacuating Gaza seems to be the solution. Can that
even be accomplished, Joel? Where are we on this?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, it can be accomplished if people listen and they
move south to humanitarian areas that the Israeli military has
set up in than Gaza. Israel does this to avoid
civilian casualties and to enable them to go after the
Hamas terrorists.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And the Hamas.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Infrastructure, including the buildings and the tunnels. You don't want
to be around there when that happens. So they've created
these humanitarian corridors where people can move south safely. And
some people are saying they're not going to leave. There's
nothing you can do about that. There are people who
don't want to leave during hurricanes and forest fires and
all kinds of things, so okay, people want to.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Take the risk.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
There is a pattern where Hamas uses civilians as human shields,
and of course, even with the best of intentions, sometimes
civilians do get hurt in these conflicts. To Israel tries
not to target them, but sometimes people do get hurt.
I think that Israel's doing what it has to do.
It's we're out of options. Hamas is not willing to

(02:52):
make a deal on the hostages to end the war.
Israel has said that it accepts the compromise that Donald
Trump has put forward, and Hamas.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Has rejected it. So what are they supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The only thing they can do is to press ahead
with their military plans to get rid of the remaining
Hamas strongholds and to get rid of Hamas.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
This debate becomes very different.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Once the war is over and Hamas is out of
the way, and Hamas has decided we're not going to
come to a deal, and Israel has decided, okay, well
we're open to a deal, but now we're going to
negotiate with troops and not with diplomats.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, let let me ask you this, because Trump posted
on two social media just yesterday. I think it was
over on Sunday. Everyone wants the hostages home, everyone wants
this war to end. The Israelis have accepted my terms.
It's time for Hamas to accept as well. I've warned
a Moss about the consequences of not accepting. This is
my last morning. There will be not there will not
be another one. Okay, can you outline for my listeners

(03:50):
and me what the terms are that Trump outlined that
Israel agreed to that Hamas doesn't accept. And then after that,
what is next this line in this saying that he
appears to have articulated in this true social media I mean,
what's next for Hamas? Is it what you just pointed to,
Israel's going to unleash your world of military hurt on them?
Or is there something else going to go on?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
So Israel's demands are that Hamas release all of the
hostages and that Hamas disarmed, drop its weapons, and leave
the government in Gaza. Hamas has said, we will let
the hostages go, but we're not dropping our weapons, and
we're not going to leave government in Gaza. Will be
part of a committee that governs Gaza, meaning essentially, as

(04:35):
almost they're the ones of the weapons, they're going to
still govern Gaza. Right, that's the sticking point. And what
Trump suggested was, how about this, You release the hostages first,
and then Israel will pull out of Gaza and we'll
just call it a day. And Hamas said, no, we're
not releasing the hostages first because we have no guarantee

(04:56):
that Israel won't keep fighting once the hostages are released.
Trump said, I'll guarantee they don't fight, and Hamas says,
we don't trust you.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And that's where it is.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Huh, Well, I guess this straightforward question. I am a
bit suspicious that the hostages are even still alive anymore.
Is it possible that they are dead? And Hamasta just
doesn't want to negotiate on this because they have nothing
to deliver on by way of returning hostages unless they're
in a body bag.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's possible.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Although I think that twenty of the forty eight are
presumed to be alive, maybe somewhat fewer than twenty, but
Hamas keeps releasing videos of these living hostages in various
states of injury and malnutrition starvation.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think one of the reasons Hamas doesn't want to
let them.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Go is because people will see just how badly Hamas
has treated them, in the same way that some of
the hostages when they were released, looked like concentration camp. Sure,
he's President Trump observed, So hamask is playing games, and look,
they're trying to stay. They believe that if they can
say we survived, then they win the war. It doesn't

(06:06):
matter what happens to Gaza and the Injurim. So the
Israelis are saying, okay, well, we'll just flatten Gaza City
and we're gonna get rid of you guys in your tunnels.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
And then you can call it a day if you
don't want to.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Come to a deal. That's what's going to happen. And Trump,
to his great credit, is backing Israel up on that.
He's saying, look, I've given a proposal.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
The Israelis are agreed.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I've leaned on the Israelis to agree because it's not
necessarily a proposal of the Israelis want.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I've leaned on Israel, I've delivered them. They agree. Now
Hamas has to agree.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
And if you don't agree, I'm gonna let Israel do
what they want to do, which is just to get.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Rid of you well and say what you want. I mean,
you know, I do believe Trump has the leverage to
force the Israelis to withdraw troops if that's the compromise
that was agreed upon. But they're an independent country. They're
free to do whatever the hell they want. And when
you have a Palestinian gunmen mowing down speaking of civilian casualties,
mowing down six people, innocent people, and attack at a

(06:59):
Jerusalem bus, you know, there doesn't seem to be a whole
lot of incentive for the Jewish people to give up
on this whole concept.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, well, I'll say this, I think that Israel will
do almost anything that Trump wants because the Israelis feel
indebted to the Trump administration for taking out the Iranian
nuclear sites, which was the achievement of a generation and
I feel or I think that Israelis feel that they

(07:25):
owe Trump, and so if Trump says to them, I
know you don't like this compromise, but you're going to
have to accept it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I know you don't want to withdraw. I know you
don't want to give up.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
All these Palestinian terrorists that you've arrested over the years.
There are a lot of conditions that Trump can impose
on Israel that the Israelis would have to shrug and say,
you know what he would for us.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
We're accounted, We're going to do what he says.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think that's how American power works, and that's how
good allies respond. But the problem here is we're not
even in that conversation because Hamas is not even willing
to do the basics. They want to stay in power,
they want to stay in control, they want to live
to fight another day. And the Trump administration in the

(08:06):
Israeli government of Benjaminaison yagu are on the same page
where they say there's not going to be another fight
another day.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, I guess I'm struggling on this because amid all
of this and get to negotiations and how things are going,
the global community. Generally speaking, there's this sort of wave
of what appears to be a growing chorus of anti
Semitism around this globe. But it doesn't seem as though
the Hamas terrorists are being held accountable for their evil actions.

(08:37):
I mean, do we not remember October seventh? I talk
about this again, civilian casualties. They have no concern for
human life. If it's Jewish life, it isn't life to them,
and they're happy to go ahead and eliminate it when
they have the possibility to do that. But how is
it that they can get such what appears to be
widespread support that Israel is the evil actor in this
when they're merely trying to protect themselves and sort of

(08:59):
hold people that murdered their own innocent people, including elderly
women and children. I mean, I don't understand the backlash
against Israel on this, Joel, I really don't.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
If you want to understand, you don't have to go
back to October seventh.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You can go back to nine to eleven. And remember,
after nine to eleven, there were.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
All these people, including some in the West, who said, well,
we have to understand the root causes that made them
do this I mean, we realize it's horrible, destroying the
Twin Towers, attacking the Pentagon, three thousand Americans dead, many
people from other countries dead as well.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's horrible, But we have to understand why they would
do this.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
There has to be a reason why, and they're justified
in doing it, or at least we can defend them.
So there's a double standard. You would never accept anybody
behaving like that. But because there's a double standard, and
because frankly, the world expects less of Palestinians than it
does of Israelis, there is no pressure being put on Hamas.

(09:57):
The world has bought the idea that there's something legitimate
about their struggle and that they can operate outside of
a moral code. And because the world accepts that, that's
why they keep doing it. That's why terrorism continues to
pay off. But yes, if they were applying a common
standard to both sides, then they'd be pressuring Hamas.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Hamas is holding.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Hostages and platement, violation of international laws, allowing the red
costs to visit. And yes, some of it is anti Semitism,
and some of it is just the kind of anti
Western sentiment that motivates this kind of double standard in
every situation.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, there is certainly that. But you make a
really good point which seems to be blurred constantly. The
amass terrors. They have captured and are holding civilians. These
aren't military combatants that are being held in a military
conflict like a traditional war sense. When you get prisoners
of war. These are civilians, innocent civilians, no connection with

(10:52):
the conflict. They're rarely being held because.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
A hold on. Some of them are civilians, some of
them some of them are soldiers. But even holding soldiers
like that is against the laws of armed conflict. You
can't just hold hostages. There are conventions around prisoners of.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
War, and there especially the Red Cross. Visits are crucial.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
International law requires that if you have prisoners of war,
legitimate prisoners of war, you have to treat them a
certain way.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You have to guarantee them visits by the Red Cross.
There's a whole series of rules that that has to follow.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
We take prisoners of war in combat all the time,
but there's a set of rules governing how you hold
those prisoners. And of course Hamas has no intention of
honoring those They've never let the Red Cross in to
see soldiers or civilians in two years.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, terrorists don't typically follow rules, Joel. I think we
can all agree now we're not signatories to some damn
international convention. Damn it, right, you know? Amid all this,
this is another great illustration of the futility and stupidity
of the United Nations. What a worthless organization. You would
think this is exactly the type of challenge they might
be up to in terms of acting as a mediator.

(11:59):
Are there otherwise trying to resolve it? I mean nothing? Zero?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Zip, Well worse than zero.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
You've got the un special reperteur on the Palestinians hanging
out with Greta Tunberg on her sailboat in Tunisia and
putting up videos. You know, this un representative put up
a video last night claiming that an Israeli drone had
struck one of the boats in Greta Tunberg's I saw that, yeah,
and it's like, first of all, how do you fly

(12:26):
a drone from Israel to Tunisia? I mean, it's not
impossible to do, but why would you do it? Secondly,
the video turned out to be totally bogus. There was
some kind of internal explosion or electrical fire or something.
So the UN isn't just quiet, the UN is actually
pro haamash.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's crazy right there. I did see that article this morning, Joel,
and I almost read it because I thought there was
high comedy in the idea of a drone striking Greta
Thunberg's flotilla in Tunisia.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know what Greta tone is
really afraid of as a haircut? I mean, that's it.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, I know, I want to post her child for
the most angry person that ever existed. Do you think
she has ever had an enjoyable moment in time in
the last fifteen years of her life?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
God? It. So it's a great point. It's a great point.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
You know, the people on the far left spend so
much time being miserable and angry. They do they allow
themselves these moments of joy.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
In their rebellion and their riot and their insurrection. But
that's it.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
They don't actually allow themselves to enjoy ordinary life the
way human beings.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Are wont to do in other circumstances.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Such a true statement. Senior editor at Large at Breitbart
Breitbart dot com book Market read what Joel Pollock and
the rest of the crew at Breitbart have to write
about every single day. It's outstanding stuff. You're doing great work.
I'll look forward to another segment with you very soon,
Joel Pollock, and we do this every Tuesday at eight
o five inside Scoop with Breitbart News. Joel, Hello and
best of health and love you and the crew at Breitbart.

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