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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That is the twenty twenty four election. This democratic machine
is going to stop at nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On fifty five KRC eight O five, a fifty five
krcdtalk station, a very happy Friday eve you I heard
medaviation expert Jay rat Look at the bottom of the hour.
In the meantime, please to welcome to the fifty five
KRS Morning Show. Talk about a fascinating book he's written,
Jack Cashell, not just the only book he's written. We'll
get to that in a minute's independent writer, documentary producer,
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media consultant. He has written and you've probably read articles
in Fortune, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Weekly Standard, American Thinker, WND,
American Spectator of the Washington Times. Quite a list. Fifteen
books he's written himself under his own name, collaborated with
twenty other books, produced a score of documentary documentaries for
regional PBS and cable channels. Today he's here in the
fifty five karossee Morning Show. You can get a copy
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of his book at fifty five krsee dot com. Ashley
The Untold Story of the Women of January sixth. Welcome
to the program, Jack Cashell. It's a pleasure to have
you on today.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hey, Brian, thanks for having me. I'm goad. I glad
that you took the opportunity to talk. There's a lot
to talk about, and it's incredibly relevant given the upcoming election.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh yeah, I'm trying to keep the aftermath of the
November election out of my mind. Whether regardless of who wins,
I am not a positive in what I believe might
unfold afterwards. But regardless, let us talk about January sixth.
Ashley Babbitt obviously where the name of the book comes from,
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Ashley the Untold Story of the Women of January sixth,
So it's more than just about Ashley Babbitt. But she's
the woman that was shot and gunned down and killed
by a Capitol police officer when she was trying to
squeeze through that broken window into what was it a
Senate hearing.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Room, you know, it was the speaker's lab, speaker's lot,
an access room before you get to the house floor,
which had already been vacated.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So it wasn't like they were protecting anyone. It was
just a panicky, stupid, reckless cop shot and killed or
with that warning right and without consequence. In fact, is
now he was a Lieutenant Michael Bird. Now he's Captain
Michael Bird. So in that world you get rewarded for
your misadventures.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And if he was a police officer out of the
street in any given city, there have been riots in
protests because of the unreasonable use of force by a
law enforcement officer when they should have used something less,
which is where I wanted to gravitate too at the outset.
I am a true believer in the Second Amendment.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I exercise my Second Amendment rights. I have concealed carrey license,
I do carry concealed I go shooting is a sport
of mine. I regularly go to my various ranges and
gun clubs. That's me, That's who I am. And I
know that even though we have a castle doctor in
here in Ohio, which means if someone breaks into my home,
I am legally allowed to use deadly force because you
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are presumed to be under eminent apprehension of grievous bodily
harm or potential murder. You're given that expectation. But out
in the world, if some one's stealing my car out
of my driveway and I am not under a grievous
bodily harm threat or threat of my life. I can't
use deadly force. She was not presenting deadly force at
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the time she was shot. She was not brandish a firearm.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
She was unarmed.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
She's you know, she was a fourteen year Air Force
veteran military police most of that time. And she.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know, you're right, and she's five for two.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
She was under ten pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
She's the only person small enough there the squeeze through
that window. And what she was apparently trying to do
is escape this crowd that had surged in behind her,
just gray to getting crushed. She's the first one who
reaches the doors, the guarded doors in that lobby, and
there are three officers facing her. She gets there, she's
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joking with them, talking to them, you know, she's identifies
with them.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And then.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
The crowd sturges in behind her, and they start. One
guy who is unconnected to Magan in which way. He
starts breaking windows or trying to, and so she yells
at the cops, do your job, do your ripping job,
and then called for backup, you know, and then the
three guys just walk away, and then mayhem breaks out
and then one the windows broken, she jumps in and
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probably just to escape the crowd. The last thing she's
doing is leading an insurrection and they shoot and kill her.
One of two women killed that day by police action.
The other woman is Roseanne Boiling. Not much attentions paid
to her. And you know, the ten women I profiled
Brian of the eighth that survived, six are in prisoner
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have been to prison. The one that I've been covering lately,
in fact, have an article about her on WND today.
Rebecca love Friends, a great grandmother who walked in an
open door to pray for ten minutes and walked out
drove by herself in Colorado, just got her sentence on Monday.
And it's a stiffer sentence Ray Epscott. I mean, so
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you realize that the fix is in, this is not
on the up and up. Well, and they punished Rebecca
or saying out loud that this was a corrupt exercise, Well,
they've proved it, they said, inserted a six months of
home arrest, a year of probation at one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Fine, well, in stark contrast to and you know, I
guess I have to suggest that perhaps down the road,
if you're planning on protesting against a left wing administration
where your Antifa masks that way. They don't have video footage,
and they can't spend countless millions of taxpayer dollars going
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through countless hours of video footage that apparently you and
I are not allowed to look at, so they can
track you down, even if it's four years after the fact,
and arrest you because you were near the place. I mean,
that's really the lengths to which they have gone gathering
up people and expending resources and law enforcement efforts to
find people that really didn't do anything, at least nothing
that was any worse than what the anti file folks,
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the Black Lives Matter folks did. I mean, nobody's building
was burned to the ground. No, you know, some property
was damaged, but as we all know, many of them
were welcomed into the building by law enforcement. That's not
all of them, but many of them were. And yet
they were still tracked down and prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And once inside the building there was no vandalism, almost
no violence, and the nonetheless a good point of contrast, Bryan,
you make it a good references to the capital protests
of a couple of years prior, where they were disrupting
and official proceeding as the j six ers were charged with,
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where they actually forced the proceedings to a halt, the
type occasions had been carried out of the Senate chambers.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, and their.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Punishment thirty to fifty dollars fines right as opposed to
you know, twenty year sentences us, I would consider the
greatest miscarriage of justice on a mass scale since Japanese Internment.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh, that is a bold statement, Jack, that is a
bold statement. And I don't disagree with you. And when
you take.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Fifteen hundred people, maybe maybe one hundred of them deserved
some punishment and wrecked their lives, and as you imply,
at great expense. When you look at these sentencing memos
and charging documents, you see the elaborate links they went
to to find this great grandmother in a crowd and
to track her her whereabouts and to read her tweets and.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's amazingly invasive and counterproductive.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah. And I thought, honestly, and I was literally watching
this as it was unfolding. I was sitting with my wife,
and I was disappointed that Trump didn't go to social
media immediately say don't do this. You are not helping things.
There was no it was a silence, was deafening of
fault in for that. But I was screaming. I said,
these optics are terrible. You people are not helping the cause.
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You are undermining what we are searching for, and that is,
you know, justice in a better way, a better a difference.
You know, a life that's free of democrats. But here
you are providing them with fodder for years and years.
I mean, these words are coming out of my mouth
while it's happening, and lo and behold, it turned out
to be much worse than I anticipated. Wasn't just talking points.
People ended up in jail because they got a little
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over exuberant and happened to want to walk through the
Capitol building and then you can. But we have the
value of being able to contrast their treatment against the
treatment of all these other left winging organizations who literally
engage in, as you point out, shutting down proceedings in
some instances, literally burning down buildings, literally assulting and accosting
police officers, putting their lives in jeopardy, and creating actually
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you know, justifiable uses of deadly force in some cases
although thankfully there weren't any use. I mean it just
the contrast is amazing about the disparate treatment folks depending
up on pilical affiliation.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And Brian, a lot of what we all believe was
fed by it, just the pure disinformation. First of all,
Donald Trump didn't finish his speech until one fifteen. It's
about one ten when he says fight, like hell, we're
gonna go finally like hell, Well, the perimeter had been breached,
the riot had begun at the Capitol a forty five
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minute walk away before he even said that those people
ray ex all those people, they didn't listen to his speech.
And then if you recall, a big point of contention
was that Trump wanted to go to the Capitol and
they wouldn't let him, and they presumed that he wanted
to go and lead a riot.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
No, he probably wanted to go and stop it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
We know that he sent subsequent tweets throughout the afternoon
tentel and he went, hey, come down, back the book,
and Twitter was blocking his tweets, and you know, and
put Paul and and I'm I'm convinced now I didn't
expect you can come to this conclusion I'm convinced the thing,
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the whole thing was provoked by the inside, and the
evidence is mounting that that's the case.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are we ever going to get to the bottom of that? Jack? Obviously,
the Justice, various lettered agencies that have information on this,
the video footage, you know, the suspicious placing of the
pipe bombs, which question hasn't been answered yet. It's just
like the Secret Service and the attempted assassination of Donald Trump,
the silence and the efforts to withhold evidence sort of
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doesn't sort of, it exacerbates the idea of conspiracy theories
out there from both the left and right. They don't
do us any service whatsoever by hiding information, and there's
a lot of looming questions about our government's involvement. Now,
if they knew they and they were guilt or not
guilty on that their hands were clean, they could provide
evidence to prove that. And yet we here we are
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today talking about it, years later, we still don't know
the answers to all these very important questions.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, you're you're right about the pipe bombs though, they're
the key to unraveling all of this because they were
discovered outside the d N C just about one o'clock.
And what I don't think that Potter is, I believe
they are conspirators who were provoking chaos, that they from
either the government or from random leftist organizations or both.
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I don't think they counted on Kama Harris being in
the d n C, which meant that the Secret Service
was there, which meant that they did sweeps with dog
you know, dog sniffing bombs, and they didn't play any bombs.
I believe that whole thing was part of the plot.
At one pm, that's when Raye preaches the perimeter. That's
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when the bombs are found. That's when the news goes
up on the on the scaff on the escaffold, they've
been allowed to sit there for uh, you know, five
hours unmolested. When the guys are mounting the scaffold and
ran a capital saying come on in, come on, we're
going to the capital. There were people planted to provoke
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a riot and they succeeded, and several people died that
day as a result, and none of them were police officers.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I guess the other question looming is, you know,
what of security? Why wasn't there more security there? They
seemed to and have anticipated some problems. And my understanding
is that Pelosi was responsible for the security and that
requests for additional security were denied. I mean, didn't they
set this up for failure and sort of maybe in
order to allow this riot to unfold?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think someone did Pelosi, you know, I became less
suspicious of her one set video emerged of her, you know,
leaving the capital with her daughter, and her daughter is
filming it. Pelosi was responsible for security and she failed
the greatest failure in Washington securities at eighteens. Well, but
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I think the military, the Edigon, which is the real
source of the delay and the obfuscation. I think some
people at the military wanted to see something bad happen,
and they were not friends of Trump, and they I
think worked to subvert him. But a Trump ashed for
ten thousand National Guard and had they been there, none
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of this would have happened.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Just a terrible, terrible, terrible thing to behold, it's all
written about my guest here, Jack Cashell. You're going to
love the book. Get it online at fifty five caresy
dot com. I did we do a link to the
book authors so they can easily remember by website and
we'll have your book posted up there. I'm sure my
listeners are going to want to definitely read Ashley The
Untold Story of the Women of January sixth, Jack. It's
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a real pleasure having you on the show, and I
certainly appreciate you documenting this in your book and talking
about here on the fifty five CARSS Morning Show.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Hey, Brian, appreciate you taking that time and talk to me.
Thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
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