Jack Windsor - Overriding Dewine Vetoes/Businesses Struggle to find Workers

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Speaker 1 (01:04):
Hey, twenty nine and fifty five carcd talk station and
hope you're having a very happy Friday. Tech frid of
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next conversation we'll be posted after the show. Welcome back
to the fifty five CARC Morning Show. Editor in chief
for the Ohio Press Network, Jack Windsor, Jack, it's a
pleasure to have you on the program this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Hey, it's honored to be here. Thank you for choosing me.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Always enjoyed, happy, looking forward to your insight on these
important matters. Let's talk about the veto overrides. I was
scratching my head. What does Governor de Wine have against
some small steps in the right direction of providing the
property owners here in the state of Ohio with some
property retax relief. Of the sixty plus vetos, he singled
out three of the ones that were related to a

(01:49):
step in the right direction for property tax relief. Now
we can talk about the specifics of them. But these
were a consequence of a lot of study groups and
efforts and work over the years to hopefully come up
with a solution to get this onerous property tax bill
off our back. So this has been widely discussed and
these things were ferreted out, and he vetos them and says, no,

(02:11):
we need to talk about this more. What's your take
on this, Jack, what's he got against property tax relief?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, you know my take on it is he loves power,
he loves control, and he loves things done his way.
I guess what I scratched my head at was many
of the property tax provisions that were placed in that
biennial budget were actually the result of over a year
of research and investigation by lawmakers and hundreds of hours. Yeah,

(02:39):
so what they what they put in the bill was
already the productice of a work group. And then DeWine
comes out and says, well, you know, I think what
we need to do is take a closer look at this.
I'm going to create a work group. And he's done
just that. So he has already started that process of
creating a work group. You know, to me, it signals
and listen, any one who follows me on social media.

(03:01):
Anyone who's followed by reporting on Governor Mike Dwine, I
call balls and strikes no matter who the person. But
when it comes to Governor Mike Dwine, I usually I
don't mince words. And this is just a guy that
I think is out of touch. I've never seen property
owners here in the Buckeye State as livid as they

(03:22):
are right now, and rightfully so. I talked to a
man yesterday who has seen a thirty nine percent increase
in his latest property tax bill, and he explains to
me what many of us already understand, which is great.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
The value of my house.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Went up almost forty percent, but I didn't sell it
right and now I have to pay the difference in cash.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's an unrealized gain. Your house is only worth what
you can sell it for on the open market at
the day of the sale, close period, end of story.
They could tell you all day long your house is
worth eight hundred thousand dollars, but if no one out
there is willing to spend more than six hundred celebi,
are you going to stay? It's unrealized gains.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, it seems to me that we could be
testing that in the courts. How can you tax me
on an unrealized value?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I mean, that is it certainly seems unfair, and I
think that strikes at the heart of what lawmakers tried
to do with property taxes. And by the way, I
have to be the first to admit our tax structure
in Ohio, particularly when you start looking at property taxes,

(04:30):
it's a it's a mass. I mean, it's really hard
to understand. And I think the part of the effort,
part of the victory that lawmakers tried to celebrate when
getting this budget over the finish line, was they were
going to simplify the property tax code all all the
different types of levees that schools go out for. It
can be very it can be very confusing. For example,

(04:53):
there are districts that go out and and they'll declare
it an emergency levee, and as a voter, you go, oh, well,
that sounds is better.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
We better approve that one or else, right.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
But unfortunately, what we found out through the vetting of
this uh these property tax provisions, there was one school
district that was in an emergency levee position for twenty years.
And the question is what kind of an emergency is
it if for twenty years it's you know, it's a
persistent issue. And so part of what this, uh, this

(05:25):
language tries to do was really dumb down the tax code.
And so if you're a school district, you know they're
saying there are only two types of levees and we're
gonna be very clear about what those are, right and
here they are, and uh, I think it takes away
a lot of confusion for voters. But I digress. I
probably need to come back up and not so far

(05:46):
in the weeds there.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
No, that's okay, because what was it the cap If
you didn't spend over forty percent of the prior year's budget,
you couldn't ask for a levey. I mean, is that
kind of what it boiled down to into the provision
that he vetoed.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, So what we've seen is and I talked to
State Senator Andrew Brenner on this earlier in the week,
and I'm going to give you numbers that are not precise.
So let's just take this for what it is. But
say a decade ago, schools carried over maybe ten to
eleven percent. That number has ballooned in terms of percentage,

(06:22):
it's well over forty percent. And schools were carrying about
ten and a half billion dollars in extra cash in
the past couple of years, and so lawmakers said, well, listen,
if you're carrying that much cash and property owners are
struggling to pay their property tax bills, what we might
want to take a look at is giving these local authorities,

(06:45):
these local commissions, the opportunity to say, Okay, if you
have cash in excess of forty percent of your operating budget,
we're going to return that to taxpayers who are struggling
to pay the tax bills.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And that that is what got shot down.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, and it seems like a very logical and reasonable
step in the right direction. So I understand they're bringing
back the lawmakers to override the three specific property tax
related provisions to wine vitoed Jack your tea leaf. Prediction
on the success of that effort.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, you know, the one that they're not certain about
is that forty percent cap, But I think the other
the other three are are pretty significant. One of them
is making sure that the twenty mili floor calculation is changed.
And without getting too confusing there, what's happening now is

(07:40):
schools are going outside of what they could get at
the you know, the baseline two percent and creating these
other operating levees, and so lawmakers are going, now, we're
going to include all of that into calculation to eliminate
this type of confusion. I think I think the three
other than the forty percent cap on carry over money,

(08:01):
I think they will pass. The twenty first is the
target date for the House members to return. The Senate
is still working on a date to return, but because
it is a House bill, it has to originate the
override vote and effort that is has to originate in
the House, So that will happen on the twenty first,

(08:21):
and I expect the Senate we'll see probably sometime later
in July, if not early August. The challenge they're running into,
I understand, is a lot of lawmakers, as you know,
they have second jobs and or they have families, and
this is the time of year that they schedule vacations,
and because they need three fifths vote approval, you want

(08:42):
to make sure you get all the lawmakers back, and
I think in the Senate that equates to about twenty
two votes. So they're going to make sure that they
have all the lawmakers back that are going to vote
in favor of overriding the veto.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
So it'll be just a little later for the Senate.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
All right, fair enough, And they have a window of
opportunity that goes beyond the summer break period. So if
they can't get that the cats herded before then they
could bring them back maybe in September or something and
address it at that point. Jack Windsor from the Ohio
Press Network editor in chief, will bring you back. And
I was mentioning earlier in the program. I've said it
a couple of times. What a great ideal opportunity. Since

(09:14):
you now have to, if you're able body, you now
have to work at least twenty hours or get education
at least twenty hours a week to continue Medicaid benefits.
What a perfect time to do that because there are
an abundance of job opportunities available for folks out there.
Let's continue with Jack after these brief words.

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Speaker 1 (10:32):
Coming up I eighty forty one fifty five KRCD talk
station Brian Thomas with the editor in chief of the
Io Press Network. You can follow them on social media
Ohio Press Network. It's Jack Windsor, returning to the fifty
five KRC Morning Show talking about budget line item vetos
from the governor in the last segment and pivoting over
to Ohio and the amount of jobs that are available.
Sadly though, Hi, according to the reporting from the High

(10:55):
Press Network, Ohio's unemployment rate, Jack is the ninth worst
in there. And that's a statement in an article talking
about small business owners clamoring to find qualified employees and
having a desperate search to find those employees to fill
the jobs that are available. Our employ our labor participantation
rate does not have to be this low, and if

(11:16):
those jobs are out there, we can improve that number
of people just got up and started applying for jobs,
couldn't we?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
It sure seems that way. And so I'm on both
sides of the aisle here, one as a reporter and
to my wife and I have several small businesses that
we operate, and so we're living this. Four point nine
percent was the stated unemployment rate in Ohio the last

(11:43):
iteration of numbers that we received. As you mentioned, it's
not good compared to other states. But what's really interesting
is that unemployment is high and in businesses, small businesses,
and that's the distinction. Small businesses are concerned at about

(12:03):
two percentage points higher than they were last survey cycle
on this so and and by the way, you know,
there are a lot of businesses that operate and you
can think of what they are during the summer, and
so there's an increase in need for employees. So it

(12:23):
might not be that uncommon for smaller companies to try
to hire more. But I think there's something going on
in the workforce still. I always contend, and I hate
to beat this drum to death, I always contend that
there's a certain amount of people that became brain broken
during COVID, and we see that in the in the

(12:45):
in the job market, and it's a lot more of
a fickle job market than I've seen in a while.
But it's it's certainly a struggle for small businesses to
find employ and keep good employees well.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
And you know, I have a thirty two year old son,
and I've heard this anecdotal stories and observations that he's
passed along to me about the age group and their
mentality toward workforce. They don't have any loyalty to know
at all, and you know they'll walk off a job

(13:22):
without even giving notice if they find out what they
proceed to be a better opportunity. They're just up and gone.
They don't feel like they need gave you a two
weeks notice. They won't even call back if you get
an interview opportunity. It's just like they ghost the employer
who's reaching out to them because they submitted a resume.
It's a really weird he mentioned fickle. But it's just
the concept of loyalty and desire to do hard work,

(13:46):
even if for the sake of work, it just doesn't
It doesn't exist anymore, at least it appears.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
So well, Yeah, there is a very interesting dynamic, and
I'm probably gonna reveal how old I am here and
you and I might be the same on as Brian.
When I was younger and I was looking for a job,
I put on a dagum suit and yeah, I printed
out resumes and I walked into places and said, hi,
I'm Jack winsor here's what I've done.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Do you have an opening?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
You know, you don't see that stuff anymore now, part
of it is technology has advanced, and I get that,
but you know, there's there's two things that I think
I've seen in in in the workforce that I haven't seen,
you know before, now that I'm really starting to notice.
And one of the things you just said is that
there is no loyalty and you know, for a few

(14:28):
dollars more.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Right. But here's the other thing that I'm seeing.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
And maybe it's because workers are more in charge now,
maybe they have more choices, maybe they have more options.
But what I see is we you know, we have
several employees who have multiple jobs. So instead of certainly
there are people who are unemployed, and then and then
you have people who work two or three jobs. And
so if you're one of those employers, now you're competing

(14:54):
not only further off time, but you're competing for maybe
they could work with that other job for fifty cents
you know, more an hour, I don't know. And so
once in a while we'll call people and say, hey,
so and so called off, can you show up, Ah,
I've got my second job. Let me let me call
and see if I can you know, go in later
there or whatever. And so, you know, there are just
there's just weirder dynamics in the job market than I've

(15:17):
seen in part of it. I'm going to go back
to you as I think we became very accustomed to
sitting on our smartphones and watching wine with the wine
at two o'clock, and a lot of people just like
to stay on the couch.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I certainly see that myself, and I can't let
this go without saying I wanted to go back to
the budget and get your reaction because I think I
know where it's going to be the money for the
Cleveland Browns, and that's the subject of litigation. I talked
to the lead attorney at the Dan Law firm who's
launched this legal challenge, and I think he is going

(15:48):
to be met with wild success and I see him
getting summary judgment on it. Because this is a taking
of private property for the use of going to another
private entity, in this particular case, the owner of the family.
That's unconstitutional. I don't care how the budget reads. You
can't trump the constitutional reality of the countless cases that
have said you can't do that, so maybe it'll get overturned,

(16:11):
But the simple concept of doing it, Jack, who is
it that that family has pictures of that allowed them
to get six hundred million dollars for a private sports stadium.
I mean, it just drives me out of my mind.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, so I could probably get on my soapbox for
twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Here there are sixty seven line item vetos.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Some of them I scratch my head, like keeping library
books that have pornographic material or gender transition stuff within
the line of side of children and dwine over riding
that veto.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
I don't get keeping money for homeless shelters that socially
transitioned kids.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I don't get it. I don't support it.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
But the one that I think the optics are terrible
on is you're skating. You're kicking the can down the road.
On property tax reform. Yeah, people are losing their homes, Brian.
They're losing their homes, homes that they've paid for. But
because you know they're on a fixed income or whatever,
they can't they're going to lose a home. But we're
going to give six hundred million dollars to the Cleveland Browns.

(17:12):
This is tone deafness at its peak in my opinion.
And I joke and and and Brian, maybe you can
join me in this. I would argue you and I
provide much more of a public service than the Cleveland clowns.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Where's our millions? And then where's the line in the sand.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
When do you say, no, we can't give it to
that private business, but we can give it to this
private business.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think it looks awful.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It looks awful. And you're a small business owner. Was
there a line forming around the block in the state
House that said this is where you stand in line
to put your hand in the cookie jar?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
No, well and listen, Oh go ahead, Sorry, No, just
making the point.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean, that's clearly the brown said they're footing the door.
They had an in road. They're obviously very politically well connected.
They've got a lot of campaign money to throw around.
They're going to get the money. Everybody else will suck
on it.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, that's just it. And and and frankly, I think
there's a common thread here.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
We just talked about unemployment in small businesses being concerned.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
You know who's not concerned?

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Intel Anderill Right, the state is very happy to help
those bigger companies. And if you're the Cleveland Browns and
the haslems that they're willing to help you, but there
are a lot of mom and pop companies out there
that could certainly use some help.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
And so that's all I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
But I just think, listen, I grew up a Browns fan,
so obviously I'm patient and I know what heartache is.
But I just don't give money to a private enterprise
to build a stadium. And by the way, it's not
the first time we've seen this movie, Brian. We know
that the promises that these families and these companies, these
sports teams make at the front end, they're never fulfilled

(18:46):
on the back end. Never, they always overestimate and underdeliver.
I don't know we should not be shocked when this
is the case here.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I think there have been studies. There's no singles a
stadium out there that has generated the return on investment
that's promised up front, and then after the project is
built you realize that no, maybe not, but it's too
late that by that point, Jack Windsor, You're always welcome
on the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. I appreciate your insights,
your comments, your thoughts, and enjoy reading what you and
the other folks at the Ohio Press Network right about.

(19:14):
It's online.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
You can find it, folks.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I will recommend it the ohiopressnetwork dot com.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I look forward to having it back on the program
real soon. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. My
friend you tube, Brian, thanks for having me. Take care.
It's eight forty nine at fifty five car Se the
talk station. A couple of minutes left we get back.

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