Judge Napolitano - My Weekend in Moscow

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coming up next to guests who've just gone back from
a weekend trip to Moscow, and all we got was
a lousy T shirt, It says Tremblin with the Kremlin.
Is that make Kim officially a Red fan? You have

(01:13):
to think about that. The Judge's next chucking rom on
fifty five krc DE talk Station.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Five Carcity Talk Station. No, I don't think we can
get him too defect and become a Reds fan. The
manamth legend that is here on the fifty five Carsey
Morning Show every Wednesday at eight thirty. Welcome back to
Judge Ennita Polaitano, and a hello from your dear friend,
Congressman Thomas Massey, who preceded you and wanted me to
pass that along to the extent you weren't listening.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Welcome back, Oh thank you. Congressman Massey and I spent
about a half an hour together on my podcast two
weeks ago, and the numbers, of course were through the roof.
He has incurred the wrath of the White House. Too bad.
He's one hundred percent correct. The defensive budget is already
at eight hundred and ninety billion, and the new budget

(02:03):
offers some mere five billion more. Yeah, I would have
voted against it as well, no matter what my Republican
masters or his Republican masters told them.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, it'd be nice if they did their jobs pursuing
to their job descriptions. As he explained in the last
segment the twelve appropriations bills, they just threw that whole
concept out the window for I don't know how many
years running. They don't do their job, They run up
to a deadline, and then they shove more spending down
our throats because of well urgency or something.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
And the only intellectually honest person there shouldn't say it only,
but the foremost intellectually honest person there is Congressman Massie Well,
I understand, has been threatened by the President of the
United States.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now, yeah, he was with.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Primary as opposition. Let them go ahead and try. Thomas
Massey will either keep his seat in the House, become
the gin your senator from Kentucky, or become the governor
of Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can count on my friends in the Commonwealth to
vote for Congressome Massy. At least I believe that he
has been primaried in the past with absolutely zero's success.
So good Man and some great people in the Commonwealth
to keep him in office. How was it you flew them?
You flew to Moscow by way of Dubai, which I

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got to kick out twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Hours of flying if you count an hour and a
half or two hour layover in Dubai, because thanks to
the Biden slash Trump sanctions, you cannot fly directly to
Moscow from an American or a Western European airport. Have
the sanctuous, impaired Moscow, not one bit. Moscow has a

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hustle and bustle of midtown Manhattan. It is absolutely beautiful.
There is no filth, there are no homeless, there are
no potholes, there is great prosperity. The Russian Orthodox churches
are packed daily and on Sunday. Russian Orthodoxy has risen

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out of the ashes of the old Soviet Union. It
was an extraordinary eye opener for me. It was a
very very very pleasant, hectic, but pleasant five days that
I was there, culminating in a two hour interview with
Foreign Minister lev Roth. There were three of us that

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got to interview him, and his questions are very long.
It's not a q and A. His answers are very long.
It's not a Q and A like you and I have.
But it was marvelous to be able to interact with him.
And then he came over to me afterwards and we
chatted for a while. He used to live in the
same neighborhood that I live in in New York City
when he was the Russian ambassador to the UN, so

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it was a remarkable time. The American public has a
Cold War perception of Russia, and that's not the case.
The sanctions have not damaged it. It is actually more
prosperous and economically independent than before the sanctions. The top

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tax rate is ten ten percent. Of the free market
reigns and people are happy.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And I have to interject, I've noted this and I
mentioned it to you in my reply to your wonderful
Columnich comes out tonight my weekend in Moscow. Have never
been in quite comprehend why we didn't normalize relations with
Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. They have
turned themselves around. They do have a tremendous amount of wealth,
as you observe. They of course ignore these climate nonsense.

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They're not chasing their zero carbon emission's tail, and a
lot of that wealth comes from their sale of oil
and natural gas, most notably a lot of European countries
who are chasing their tail in the name of zero
carbon emissions. But regardless of how the wealth is generated,
the opportunity would be available there like it is in
China since the Nixon administration for investments. I think we

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have direct flights from the United States into China, Judge Nepolitano,
if I may be wrong on you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
We do. You're one hundred percent correct. You know what
we have that the Russians don't nine hundred foreign military
installations that we constructed and that we pay to maintain.
The Russians have twenty five, all of which are around

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Russia and of strategic importance to the Russian military. Their
military budget is a fraction of ours, even though their
army is larger and a more forceful gathering than ours.
And you know, not only did the Russia not suffering

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the sanctions, Foreign Minister lev Roff's figures and no one's
challenged them, say that American industry lost three hundred and
thirty billion in income in the past three years during
the Biden Trump sanctions so who did the sanctions harm.

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The answers rather obvious.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
And the big question looming around is why why is
it like this? Is it the fearmongers who insist that
this evil Russian baron needs to be kept at bay
in spite of the fact they don't represent any existential
threat to us really other than the nuclear weapons they have,
but they haven't threatened the United States or United States
interest with them.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's the it's the iron grip that the military industrial
complex has on the American Congress and the American government.
They may not have that on Donald Trump, but they
certainly had it on Joe Biden and on all of
his predecessors. I was very disappointed, however, when President Trump

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announced the resumption the opening of the Joe Biden pipeline,
which he had closed for two weeks, back to Kiev,
and the opening of the re engagement of the American
intelligence community back to Kiev and wherever they go in
that part of the world. I was very disappointed to

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see that, because that continues the Biden nonsense of using
Ukraine as a battering ram with which to disrupt Russia.
And even if you're paraphrasing Victoria Newland and Hillary Clinton
to drive Vladimir Putin from office. He's got an eighty
two percent approval rating. If you go there you can

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see why. I mean, it's a radically different country from
the one the Soviets left Yeltsen and Gorbachev, and they
don't spend that much money on the military. I think
a divert it from your from your question. But I
was strainly impressed with what I saw well, and.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Again I just I just, I just am beside myself.
But going to the cutting off of assistance to Ukraine,
it's a foregone conclusion. Ukraine cannot win this conflict. It
is impossibility. I mean, even as we speak, the Russians
are making advances. There's been a thirty day ceasefire, and
that was the the the incentive for them to engage
in the thirty day ceasefires because Donald Trump cut off

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their intelligence and aid. Obviously he got the effect the
effect he wanted, which is the ceasefire. However, the ball
is now in Russia's court and what Vladimir Putin demands
in order to end the conflict remains to be seen.
Do you get a sense from your conversation with Lavrov
What that might entail what the Russians are going to
demand by way of concessions.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes, yes, it would. It would entail Ukrainian Putin has
announced this publicly. It would entail Ukrainian neutrality. It would
entail a promise of no NATO in Ukraine for as
long as NATO exists. It would entail the recognition of
the four Oblasts. An oblast could be compared to an

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American state or a Canadian province. That's just the Russian
word for it. The recognition of the four oblasts in
eastern Ukraine, now all under the control of the Russian military,
are in fact parts of Russia, the acknowledgment that Crimea
is part of Russia. As Lensky can't agree to any

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of this, which is why when Secretary of State Rubio
says we have a ceasefire agreement, the ball is in
Russia's court, he knows that Russia is going to reject it.
In the small talk that I had with Foreign Minister Lavrov,
I said, is there any circumstance under which President Putin

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would accept a ceasefire short of the achievement of all
of your five goals, which I've just ticked off, and
he looked at me and he said no. And Marco
Rubio knows that. So why is marcor Rubio taunting them
in public? What is that going to accomplish other than
to send Marco Rubia back to Florida.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
So that necessarily, if this all plays out the way
you mentioned, and I have every reason to believe it will,
then the war goes on and Russia continue to make
inroads into Ukraine. It could conceivably take over the entire country,
although I can't imagine that will be to its advantage
because it has to make.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
They don't want the entire country. They just want those
four oblasts, which are Russian culturally, Russian, historically Russian speaking,
Russian Orthodox Church, not Ukrainian Russian Orthodox the one that
I went to when I was there. And neutrality for Ukraine.

(11:55):
You know, there was an agreement negotiated by the Zilin
government agreed to buy the Russian government. Was one hundred
and twenty six pages long. Every page was initial and
it provided for Ukraine to become like Austria, free, independent, prosperous,
andral No, NATO neutral, and Joe Biden sent Boris Johnson.

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Then the British Prime Minister to Kiev, saying, tell him
not to sign it, tell him we'll back him up,
We'll beat Russia, will drive Putin from office, and he'll
have a place in history. Well it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
That way, No, it didn't. And you got a question
what Biden's motivation was for that. I mean, it doesn't
make me try and give him credit.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Has a Cold War mentality and believes that Russia today
is the same as the old Soviet Union, a threat
to freedom, peace and prosperity. And it's not. President Putin
would love nothing more than what Elsair Crook calls the
Grand Reset, an opening of the United States and Russia,

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total opening to cultural and financial interchange to the benefit
of both. We never had that under the Soviet Union.
We didn't want it. We tried to restrain them. They
run the economy, they run freedom, They crushed the church.
Russia is the opposite in all of those areas today.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, and that's why I said, in the aftermath of
the Soviet Union, we would have been a position, if
we normalize relations with them after that, to have shaped
that environment and to have assisted them and to engage
in trade. And this reform, and all these positive and
good that's come within the Russian economy post Soviet Union
probably would have come about a lot earlier, and we
would have been able to take advantage of me.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
You know, whati you, American President. They can't stand This
might surprise you. When Jim Baker and George W. Bush
talked Mikhail Korbachef into releasing East Germany and letting it
unite with West Germany in the form Germany as we
know it today, they both promised to President Gorbachef that

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NATO would not move one inch farther eastward, and they
kept that promise. Who succeeded George H. W. In the
White House who got Poland to join NATO and began
arming Ukraine, William Jefferson Clinton. They just have a very,

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very negative view of Clinton.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I appreciate your reminding my listeners that it was Clinton
who did judge Jennita Polaitano a wonderful conversation. I appreciate
your being on the program every Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Fantastic little I'm just a little ex judge from New Jersey.
What am I doing in this grand mansion with Saraghen Labrov?
It was mind boggling. It was almost like an out
body experience for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You've come a long way from your time on the bench.
You're honor. We got to all acknowledge that, and with
good reason. I'll look forward to next week in another
wonderful conversation. Take care of my friend.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Thank you, Brian, all the best, all the best.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
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