April 18, 2025 • 33 mins
Kevin Gordon talks with Co-Founder and Lead Organizer of the Cincinnati chapter of Indivisible.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Six minutes after seven o'clock Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
fifty five krs the Talk station. If you check my
Facebook page, you'll know that I have in this segment
and Dickerson. She is the co founder and lead organizer
for Indivisible of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Thank you, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to tell everybody that your name was given
to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I don't know
if I should say his name, but anyway, you have
contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I talk to
you to find out, you know, where you guys are
coming from, what's on your mind. And we see these
Indivisible popped up in the news all the time nationwide,
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and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find out though,
what this is all about?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Uh kind of man, I don't know, Mix.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It up a little bit and see where you're coming
from and where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a
couple of topics off air when we were setting up
the interview, and uh, you know, we were talking about
constitutional crisis. King chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off and so on. So, uh,
I'll let you start and you tell me what you
want to what is Uh I'm going to use Jen
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Saki's line because I absolutely hate it. But what is
top of mind for you?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh? My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking
about absolutely love. I could sit and talk to him
for hours and hours. It's just we you know, a
really good guy, get along very well as they had
a very respectful relationship for years. Uh huh. So it
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was his suggestion to me to do this, not the
other way around. I want to make that clear. And
he just as he said, would you ever do something
like that? And I said, sure, right, I will talk to.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Anyone didn't contact me, so.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, it's his you know. I think we have to
be open to these conversations. I think that you know,
in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not
talking to people, if you're not you know, able to
have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks
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down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this
exactly just I think has gotten completely out of control.
I mean, people have cut off family members and lifelong
friends and you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter,
so it really postage now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a
lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally
the total has on a lot of people. I also
understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know,
like I said, if some if you and I can
sit down and have a conversation, or if I can
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sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in
Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office.
It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now.
I'm always open to those conversations to see, you know,
is there a common ground we can reach, Is there
is there a middle option where both parties can you know,
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feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything,
but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't
mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would
say to you, would you know when if you went
to any of the hands off protests that were across
the country, they were in last count that I saw,
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I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were
protests in every single state. Their estimates are anywhere from
three and a half to five million people out in
the streets at these various events. And you know it,
the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was
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because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right
based on their your own life, your needs, whatever is
going on. And so you would see signs about, you know,
hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare, hands
off my education, my books, and then there were all
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there's always going to be called about, you know, following
the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know,
democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know,
forever a number so I think all of these issues,
depending on jud I'm going to determine what's their number
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one issue.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and
lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you
talk about hands off social security, hands off Medicare, hands
off healthcare, hands off, you know, a lot of that
can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say
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I want your hands off my social security. In terms
of taxing it, I don't think that that should count
in terms of my income if I choose to earn
any other income once.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I passed the age of sixty five.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't think the federal come on, I don't think
the federal government should be messing around.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
With our our medical information.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And the fact that you know this push years ago
to put everything online. I don't know if you were
listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who
is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
These things are.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you go and you have you know, it's great
that you can have your medical records and you can
go to one doctor and then they can pull up
your medical records through whatever service they have. But anytime
you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting
a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that
everything that you would want me to know, or would
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I want you to know what doctors I've seen for
what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that
sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen
in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking
about hands off, it goes both ways.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So, oh, I agree with you, but I would I
would say that the specific issues that you're talking about.
You know, anybody that I know personally would probably agree
with you that on that aspect of things. You know,
I don't believe that Social Security should be taxed, and
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I don't believe our medical records should be privy to anyone.
There's a reason that we have hippo laws and they
need to be maintained.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But you also have you know this, you know, nailed.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Down even further. You have this issue across the country
with laws being written and attempted to be passed to
get the medical records specifically for women of child bearing
age that go to gynecologist and wanting to know.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Issue on that issue. Okay, And I know where you're
heading with that. I'm sure having to do with a
pro choice and that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to
say within what you were saying. You know, it can't
be so many of these issues. You know, when I
was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this
is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a
there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria
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Catholic where they would pick and choose as oppose to
completely falling a faith, and I feel like that's a
lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether
you're talking about the Constitution, whether you're talking about the
overreach that that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we
can't it's either all or nothing on these things. We
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can't just pick and choose. While everybody can have privacy
for their healthcare, but not if you're a woman of
child bearing age.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wait a minute, Well know and that and that is
important well to a certain extent. I can see where
some of those records and some of that information is necessary,
and there ought to be a way of having a
specific number or a specific identifier that is not tied
to a particular individual. And I don't know if it's
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some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go in, you're
randomly assigned a number. That number goes to somebody else
who isn't connected with you know, uh, you know, you
got an intermediary, You got a point A, the patient,
and then point C where this information is gathered, and
a clearinghouse point B where the individual act or the
individual person's name is eliminated from that. Because that's where
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we get into people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages.
How many you know, what health factors there are when
we start hearing about the infant mortality rate, when we
start hearing about well them and in some cases that
the first time they do anything in terms of going
to see a doctor is right around the time when
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they are especially if they're pregnant, that they don't go
until the seventh month. And I just learned from a
group that I'm associated with or familiar with that's a
called care net and who talks about you know, stepping
in and helping people that when they're in that crisis
to know that there's other options that they said the
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insurance laws kick in to where you are actually covered for.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's that's stupid.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean, if we're trying to make sure that the
infant mortality rate is lower, we want to make sure
that babies are a birth of healthy, the mothers are healthy.
That should all begin at day one and not at
the seventh months. So those kinds of things. So, you know,
the CDC used to come out with all these statistics about, oh,
you know, how many kids drown in a five gallon
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bucket because you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy,
they fall in that and drown and to get all
this facts and information so that we are more informed,
I think is good. But where you don't protect the
privacy rights, that's where we have a problem. And we
need to take a break here real quick. So my
guest is Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us,
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and we carry this through the break and Dickerson co
founder and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the
talk station fifty five the talk station.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Coming up on seven to twenty in the morning.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS the
talk station and what appropriate bumper music for this segment.
And I know that you've talked to some of your
friends and you say, how dare you go on with
that rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know
my people are saying the same thing. So we've got
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to cater a little bit to their needs because obviously,
if we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the
hell did you go on there for in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles, like
teering me on, saying, go, you know, just it wasn't good,
I promise you, but it was more like, you know not.
Not everybody is open to these kinds of conversations. So
if you want to get into it, pick a topic
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and let's run with it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give we gotta give you.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We got to give your people and my people some
red meat here, Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So I'm gonna I'll jump into probably the one
of the reddest meat areas that we have right now,
because it's so hot in the news, which is what's
going on with these immigration cases okay, and people not
receiving due process, which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know, so it was so important to our founding
fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one.
So you know, I'm real curious as to this this
fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration, because in fact,
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we are all products of immigration, right unless you have
indigenous blood running through your veins of the native people
that were here before we ever, you know, took over
this land. How can you look back through history and
complain about something that is very much a part of
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the American dream. I mean when I grew up, you know,
and I'm fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew
up with the understanding that, you know, we had this
self aggrandized belief that everybody comes to the United States
because this is where you have freedom, and this is
where anybody can become anything they want to be, and
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they can work themselves up. And now it's like, you know,
not only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're
wanting to lock ourselves in. All right, let's unpas.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Let's unpack that for a moment.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, you do agree that the reason that you have
a country is you have a country because of of
borders and there is a certain process by which people
are supposed to enter a particular country. I don't care
what it is in terms of the legal way versus.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The illegal way way correct? Correct, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to
be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but
you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think
that over the last previous four years that having millions
of people flooding across our border in what I would
refer to as an invasion. How many people in the
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military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job.
How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take
the job. And yet we have millions of people in
this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted,
we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're
not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and
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they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a
country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly,
in my term, to be invaded, I.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Would say that the numbers that you're using are grossly inmpleted.
Number one, number two, I would say that the vast
majority of immigrants have been maligned with these accusations of
the kinds of people that they are. In fact, you know,
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undocumented people in this country. The most recent statistic I
could find, you know, came from twenty twenty to put
ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes into
the federal, state and local system.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know, now, what are the numbers, what are the
numbers that are pulled out of that system. Because you
hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in the
City of New York and the billions of dollars in
California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and putting
them up in hotels and so on.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So I don't know what you're looking for there, because.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, you've got it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You got you've got you've got people that put into
the system and you have people that take out of
the system. So if you're saying that of the immigrants
in this country, they put in ninety six billion dollars,
well what is the immigrant population taking out the form
of medical tuition, home and assistance from the Social Security
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system or whatever network there is out there.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have
Social Security numbers. They can't get a Social Security number.
What they get in order to file taxes is a
tax identification number. In fact, and everyday citizen can get
a tax identification number and not use their sois Security
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number to file their taxes. So you know that's I
think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms
of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste
broad and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps,
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all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking
about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud.
You know. Compare compare nine minutes, Yes, compare it to
the one area in the government that OS is not
touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Which has sailed its last seven audits, the one.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Area of the government that we spend the most amount
of money on and they haven't touched it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And were the smallest chunks of the pie.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
My guest, there's Anne Dickerson, co founder and the organizer
of Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm going to go off script here.
We were scheduled to the bottom of the hour. I'm
going to carry you over past the news and we'll
get into this even more. But uh again, before we go,
I just want to I want to, you know, make
the mention of the fact that yes, there is waste,
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fraud and abuse in the military industrial complex that has
been talked about, and quite honestly, there isn't a single agency.
And again people are probably tired of hearing me say this,
but you probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant,
So when you talk about there is not an agency,
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there is not a division of the federal government that
could pass an audit, including the irs, and that to
me is just astounding and criminal in my position. So anyway,
we'll pick this up on the other side of the break.
My guest again and Dickerson, co founder, lead organizer, well Lord,
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lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in
for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (20:00):
Seven thirty one in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for
Brian Thomas, fifty five k SEE the talk station, speaking
with Ann Dickerson. She is co founder and lead lead
organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much
for hanging with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it.
So we were talking about doze and going in and
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looking at these different organiz different size of the government.
I mean you you mentioned you no, you sat in
conversation with Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Ran Paul's
Festivust report on an annual basis where he goes through
different departments of the government talks about waste, fraud and
abuse and some of these areas that probably should be cut.
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And I think the last one that he did there
was about one point was at one point one trillion
dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would
even miss because some of this waste is there you
gotta I mean, you mentioned the fact that even the
I mentioned the fact that even they're in the department
of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet members
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or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit.
So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding
that and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if
you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell
the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go
away leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers
could demand that of our government, and I think we
could probably agree on that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Now we'll probably dis and.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I will and I will tell you this as well,
there is no one on any spectrum, regardless of party
position or what have you, there is no one that
thinks that making government more efficient less wasteful is a
bad pity.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The bigger problem is the process right now that it's
that things are happening as opposed to actually getting rid
of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you look at
the first quarter numbers that came out compared to last year,
you will find that the money that was spent in
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the same time period last year under different administration to now,
while we've fired or laid off, I had lost count
of the number of federal workers shut down buildings which
shuts down you know, all the all the management, all
the money that goes into managing a building and keeping
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it open and running and viable for people to use.
We've spent one hundred and eighty four billion more dollars
this year than last year in the same time period.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Okay, so how are we How are we eliminating waste,
broaden abuse?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
If we're spending more money and yet we have left
things that we're spending money on by already shutting all
these things down and getting rid of all these.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
People, then the question could be come to you? Is
why all the protests? Then? You know, because if nothing
has changed, if it was okay last year, what is the.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Big deal now? Now?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you
about that. I've been I've been at these protests where
I mean people. You know, I'm going to tell you
one story in particular, a woman come up to me crummy,
I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had never met her,
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never seen her before anything else. And what it happened
was we were actually out in front of Thomas Mancy's
office on Buttermill Pike and her husband had picked up
their child from school, was taking their child to an
her school activity, and he called her at home and said, honey,
they're out on Buttermilk Pike. And she immediately threw a
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bunch of stuff in her car and drove up to
meet us. And you know, because I was back and
forth between people and everything, I had to kind of
wait till the end of the protest to specifically go
up to her. Once I you know, she joined us,
I was like, are you okay, And once she was yes,
I'm okay, I'm just this is so amazing, And I
was doing all my other stuff. I wanted to find
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out what her story was, and here come to find
out she's a federal worker who lost her job, you know,
and was so moved that people were concerned enough to
be out there.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Did she get the buy out?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know. I didn't ask about that. All I
know is that she said that, you know, she lost
her job.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All right, we got you know, as our producer said,
we were on a timeline here. So coming up, we'll
talk a little bit more about this and again talk
more about this issue. My guest is Anne Dickerson, co founder,
lead organized lead organ Why can't I say that right?
Lead organized lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
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Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS, the talk
station fifty five KRC, the talk station Spring is here,
and that means why station you continue in our conversation
with Anne Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for Indivisible
Northern Kentucky. Before the break, we talked about federal layoffs.
You talked about this person that showed up one of
the protests, and it was about a month and a
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half ago. At was it Rand Paul's office, I believe, okay,
and this federal worker came up and was in tears
that she had lost her job. Now, on a weekly basis,
there is on Thursday, there is the initial job claims
report that comes out, the unemployment numbers from the Bureau
of Labor Statistics and whatever. And they keep saying week
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after week after week that the layoffs in the federal
government aren't starting to show up in these numbers yet.
Number One, because in a lot of instances, if they
do have that eight month severance package, they are still
technically employed. They're getting a check on a periodic, you know,
a normal paycheck until the eight months, which gives them
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plenty of time to go out and find another bit
of employment. I've heard stories about people that are up
at retirement age and they said, oh man, what a
gift from heaven. I was getting ready to retire and
I get this buyout package. It gives me a paycheck
for the next eight months, and how great is that?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So we have that, and so the federal lager.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Have you got to anybody that's actually started receiving it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if they have or not, but that
if they have not been receiving it, then they would
qualify for filing for unemployment, and according to the numbers,
that isn't showing up yet. Now I know that some
of the federal workers, I don't know if all of
them are in some sort of a separate system that
it handles their unemployment. And the numbers from that are
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that on a weekly basis, that's gone. I think one
week it went up five hundred and thirty four versus
another week where it was up two hundreds.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's a that's a question that again, if we didn't
have spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, but people
that would actually go out and do investigative news, we
would know these things instead of you and I having
to dig up these numbers ourselves.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now I agree with you on that as well. I
love independent media.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But anyway, we only got about three minutes left here,
so I want to, you know, make sure that I
want to say.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I do want to say too. You know, even though
we have you know, met in these offices, we have
protested in front of these offices and other places. I
do like to give credit where credit is due, and
tech did the person that connected US after ran Paull's
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speech on the floor where he stood up against the tariffs,
and he stood up against the breakdown of the three
coequal branches of government, stating also that he did not
want to live in a place that was governed by
an emergency rule. And I think this is a very
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scary time for people because of all the chaos, because
there was no plan. I mean, if I owned, if
I was going to take over a business, of course,
of course you would want to, you know, check each department,
see who you were going to keep, who you were
going to keep, you know, try to find out where
the areas are that you could save money, where you
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could make things efficient, so on and so forth. But
you don't take a sledgehammer to it with no plan.
And then you know, you fire people, get tired back,
then you buy ore people again, you know, and the
terriffs on again, off again, on again, off again. I
don't even want to talk to my money manager I
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because it's going to put me in a state of
anxiety that I may never come out of.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I mean, I will finish up with this. I'll finish
up with this. And that you can go through corporate
corporation after corporation. After corporation, you can go through the
United Auto Workers, you can go through the people that
were terminated on the Keystone XL pipeline. You can talk
to people that got shown that will actually offer of
a buyout from Cincinnati Bell when they merged and transferred
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and whatever. You see all these different corporations, and there's
always that several people I know some that were like,
you know, eight weeks shy of that, fifteen years or whatever,
so they're fully vested or whatever. And that happens in
corporate business all the time, and it's not right there.
But nobody's protest and whining I don't mean whining, but
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protesting about.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
That you do, but you don't want to say that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, I mean, again, you know these are kind of
the terms that you know people will understand and so on.
But again I rail at you know, the fact that
you know, you go to some of these and they've
they've gone through these offices in Washington and even in
corporate America itself. You go into how many people are
working from home? And I don't nobody's going to convince
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me that people that there are some, but there are
not everybody that's more productive working at home than working
in an office. And the fact that you go into
some of these federal buildings and six percent of the
people are there, but if you discount all the maintenance
people and everything, you're down to a three percent people
that are actually working there.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, doctors have to go into the office, nurses
have to go into the office, all the you know,
the police and fire have to go into their office.
I think the least taxpayers can do and workers can
do is go into their office and.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do the job that they were hired to do. So again, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Don't know if we solve the world's issues here, but
I would certainly like to talk to you a little
bit more at some.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Point in time, and at any time.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I think if we can eliminate the idea that everybody
on my side is a Nazi, that the fact that
we should be, you know, taking and torching Tesla dealerships
and calling for the assassination of Elon Mosk or Donald Trump,
you gotta admit that's going a lot too far.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So well, I.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Do not advocate for violence in any way, shape or
form when it comes to any of this. The same
way that I was, you know, the same way that
I was shocked when you know, uh people my kent
and you know, and now you if I have not
heard anything about what you just mentioned as far as
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calling for people to be killed, I would never agree
with that, no matter who it was or what the
circumstance was. I don't agree with that in any way,
shape or form. What we do is protests. Everything we
do is well planned out. Everybody knows the rules, you know,
knows the right way to behave in public settings. I'm
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a real stickler for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's why we have a first. That's why we have
the first.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It is agreed and we need to keep it instead
of you know, now, we've got measures even here, hee.
Just this past session they passed a bill limiting that.
You know, they're trying to limit protests. They're trying to
limit people's ability to exercise free speech.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Obviously, you've never gone to a city council meeting or
a county commissioner meeting in any of the counties and
you try to talk about some issues there. Yeah, there
is now in Campbell County, the People's Republic of Campbell County,
there is a Kevin Gordon rule where you're only allowed
to speak for two minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So anyway, and it's been interesting, and we've got to
talk some more, and we're really late for a break,
and I certainly appreciate your time, and sure we'll be
in touch. And Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for
Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
fifty five KRC, The talk
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Station fifty five KRC Best Rus
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Six minutes after seven o'clock Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
fifty five krs the Talk station. If you check my
Facebook page, you'll know that I have in this segment
and Dickerson. She is the co founder and lead organizer
for Indivisible of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Thank you, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to tell everybody that your name was given
to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I don't know
if I should say his name, but anyway, you have
contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I talk to
you to find out, you know, where you guys are
coming from, what's on your mind. And we see these
Indivisible popped up in the news all the time nationwide,
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and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find out though,
what this is all about?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Uh kind of man, I don't know, Mix.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It up a little bit and see where you're coming
from and where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a
couple of topics off air when we were setting up
the interview, and uh, you know, we were talking about
constitutional crisis. King chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off and so on. So, uh,
I'll let you start and you tell me what you
want to what is Uh I'm going to use Jen
(01:29):
Saki's line because I absolutely hate it. But what is
top of mind for you?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh? My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking
about absolutely love. I could sit and talk to him
for hours and hours. It's just we you know, a
really good guy, get along very well as they had
a very respectful relationship for years. Uh huh. So it
(01:59):
was his suggestion to me to do this, not the
other way around. I want to make that clear. And
he just as he said, would you ever do something
like that? And I said, sure, right, I will talk to.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Anyone didn't contact me, so.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, it's his you know. I think we have to
be open to these conversations. I think that you know,
in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not
talking to people, if you're not you know, able to
have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks
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down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this
exactly just I think has gotten completely out of control.
I mean, people have cut off family members and lifelong
friends and you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter,
so it really postage now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a
lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally
the total has on a lot of people. I also
understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know,
like I said, if some if you and I can
sit down and have a conversation, or if I can
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sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in
Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office.
It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now.
I'm always open to those conversations to see, you know,
is there a common ground we can reach, Is there
is there a middle option where both parties can you know,
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feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything,
but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't
mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would
say to you, would you know when if you went
to any of the hands off protests that were across
the country, they were in last count that I saw,
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I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were
protests in every single state. Their estimates are anywhere from
three and a half to five million people out in
the streets at these various events. And you know it,
the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was
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because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right
based on their your own life, your needs, whatever is
going on. And so you would see signs about, you know,
hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare, hands
off my education, my books, and then there were all
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there's always going to be called about, you know, following
the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know,
democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know,
forever a number so I think all of these issues,
depending on jud I'm going to determine what's their number
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one issue.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and
lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you
talk about hands off social security, hands off Medicare, hands
off healthcare, hands off, you know, a lot of that
can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say
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I want your hands off my social security. In terms
of taxing it, I don't think that that should count
in terms of my income if I choose to earn
any other income once.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I passed the age of sixty five.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't think the federal come on, I don't think
the federal government should be messing around.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
With our our medical information.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And the fact that you know this push years ago
to put everything online. I don't know if you were
listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who
is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
These things are.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you go and you have you know, it's great
that you can have your medical records and you can
go to one doctor and then they can pull up
your medical records through whatever service they have. But anytime
you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting
a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that
everything that you would want me to know, or would
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I want you to know what doctors I've seen for
what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that
sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen
in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking
about hands off, it goes both ways.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So, oh, I agree with you, but I would I
would say that the specific issues that you're talking about.
You know, anybody that I know personally would probably agree
with you that on that aspect of things. You know,
I don't believe that Social Security should be taxed, and
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I don't believe our medical records should be privy to anyone.
There's a reason that we have hippo laws and they
need to be maintained.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But you also have you know this, you know, nailed.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Down even further. You have this issue across the country
with laws being written and attempted to be passed to
get the medical records specifically for women of child bearing
age that go to gynecologist and wanting to know.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Issue on that issue. Okay, And I know where you're
heading with that. I'm sure having to do with a
pro choice and that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to
say within what you were saying. You know, it can't
be so many of these issues. You know, when I
was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this
is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a
there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria
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Catholic where they would pick and choose as oppose to
completely falling a faith, and I feel like that's a
lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether
you're talking about the Constitution, whether you're talking about the
overreach that that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we
can't it's either all or nothing on these things. We
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can't just pick and choose. While everybody can have privacy
for their healthcare, but not if you're a woman of
child bearing age.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wait a minute, Well know and that and that is
important well to a certain extent. I can see where
some of those records and some of that information is necessary,
and there ought to be a way of having a
specific number or a specific identifier that is not tied
to a particular individual. And I don't know if it's
(09:23):
some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go in, you're
randomly assigned a number. That number goes to somebody else
who isn't connected with you know, uh, you know, you
got an intermediary, You got a point A, the patient,
and then point C where this information is gathered, and
a clearinghouse point B where the individual act or the
individual person's name is eliminated from that. Because that's where
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we get into people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages.
How many you know, what health factors there are when
we start hearing about the infant mortality rate, when we
start hearing about well them and in some cases that
the first time they do anything in terms of going
to see a doctor is right around the time when
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they are especially if they're pregnant, that they don't go
until the seventh month. And I just learned from a
group that I'm associated with or familiar with that's a
called care net and who talks about you know, stepping
in and helping people that when they're in that crisis
to know that there's other options that they said the
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insurance laws kick in to where you are actually covered for.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's that's stupid.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean, if we're trying to make sure that the
infant mortality rate is lower, we want to make sure
that babies are a birth of healthy, the mothers are healthy.
That should all begin at day one and not at
the seventh months. So those kinds of things. So, you know,
the CDC used to come out with all these statistics about, oh,
you know, how many kids drown in a five gallon
(10:56):
bucket because you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy,
they fall in that and drown and to get all
this facts and information so that we are more informed,
I think is good. But where you don't protect the
privacy rights, that's where we have a problem. And we
need to take a break here real quick. So my
guest is Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us,
(11:17):
and we carry this through the break and Dickerson co
founder and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the
talk station fifty five the talk station.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Coming up on seven to twenty in the morning.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS the
talk station and what appropriate bumper music for this segment.
And I know that you've talked to some of your
friends and you say, how dare you go on with
that rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know
my people are saying the same thing. So we've got
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to cater a little bit to their needs because obviously,
if we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the
hell did you go on there for in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles, like
teering me on, saying, go, you know, just it wasn't good,
I promise you, but it was more like, you know not.
Not everybody is open to these kinds of conversations. So
if you want to get into it, pick a topic
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and let's run with it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give we gotta give you.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We got to give your people and my people some
red meat here, Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So I'm gonna I'll jump into probably the one
of the reddest meat areas that we have right now,
because it's so hot in the news, which is what's
going on with these immigration cases okay, and people not
receiving due process, which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know, so it was so important to our founding
fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one.
So you know, I'm real curious as to this this
fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration, because in fact,
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we are all products of immigration, right unless you have
indigenous blood running through your veins of the native people
that were here before we ever, you know, took over
this land. How can you look back through history and
complain about something that is very much a part of
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the American dream. I mean when I grew up, you know,
and I'm fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew
up with the understanding that, you know, we had this
self aggrandized belief that everybody comes to the United States
because this is where you have freedom, and this is
where anybody can become anything they want to be, and
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they can work themselves up. And now it's like, you know,
not only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're
wanting to lock ourselves in. All right, let's unpas.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Let's unpack that for a moment.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, you do agree that the reason that you have
a country is you have a country because of of
borders and there is a certain process by which people
are supposed to enter a particular country. I don't care
what it is in terms of the legal way versus.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The illegal way way correct? Correct, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to
be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but
you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think
that over the last previous four years that having millions
of people flooding across our border in what I would
refer to as an invasion. How many people in the
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military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job.
How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take
the job. And yet we have millions of people in
this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted,
we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're
not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and
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they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a
country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly,
in my term, to be invaded, I.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Would say that the numbers that you're using are grossly inmpleted.
Number one, number two, I would say that the vast
majority of immigrants have been maligned with these accusations of
the kinds of people that they are. In fact, you know,
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undocumented people in this country. The most recent statistic I
could find, you know, came from twenty twenty to put
ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes into
the federal, state and local system.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know, now, what are the numbers, what are the
numbers that are pulled out of that system. Because you
hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in the
City of New York and the billions of dollars in
California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and putting
them up in hotels and so on.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So I don't know what you're looking for there, because.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, you've got it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You got you've got you've got people that put into
the system and you have people that take out of
the system. So if you're saying that of the immigrants
in this country, they put in ninety six billion dollars,
well what is the immigrant population taking out the form
of medical tuition, home and assistance from the Social Security
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system or whatever network there is out there.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have
Social Security numbers. They can't get a Social Security number.
What they get in order to file taxes is a
tax identification number. In fact, and everyday citizen can get
a tax identification number and not use their sois Security
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number to file their taxes. So you know that's I
think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms
of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste
broad and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps,
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all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking
about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud.
You know. Compare compare nine minutes, Yes, compare it to
the one area in the government that OS is not
touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Which has sailed its last seven audits, the one.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Area of the government that we spend the most amount
of money on and they haven't touched it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And were the smallest chunks of the pie.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
My guest, there's Anne Dickerson, co founder and the organizer
of Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm going to go off script here.
We were scheduled to the bottom of the hour. I'm
going to carry you over past the news and we'll
get into this even more. But uh again, before we go,
I just want to I want to, you know, make
the mention of the fact that yes, there is waste,
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fraud and abuse in the military industrial complex that has
been talked about, and quite honestly, there isn't a single agency.
And again people are probably tired of hearing me say this,
but you probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant,
So when you talk about there is not an agency,
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there is not a division of the federal government that
could pass an audit, including the irs, and that to
me is just astounding and criminal in my position. So anyway,
we'll pick this up on the other side of the break.
My guest again and Dickerson, co founder, lead organizer, well Lord,
(19:43):
lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in
for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (20:00):
Seven thirty one in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for
Brian Thomas, fifty five k SEE the talk station, speaking
with Ann Dickerson. She is co founder and lead lead
organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much
for hanging with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it.
So we were talking about doze and going in and
(20:21):
looking at these different organiz different size of the government.
I mean you you mentioned you no, you sat in
conversation with Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Ran Paul's
Festivust report on an annual basis where he goes through
different departments of the government talks about waste, fraud and
abuse and some of these areas that probably should be cut.
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And I think the last one that he did there
was about one point was at one point one trillion
dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would
even miss because some of this waste is there you
gotta I mean, you mentioned the fact that even the
I mentioned the fact that even they're in the department
of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet members
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or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit.
So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding
that and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if
you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell
the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go
away leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers
could demand that of our government, and I think we
could probably agree on that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Now we'll probably dis and.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I will and I will tell you this as well,
there is no one on any spectrum, regardless of party
position or what have you, there is no one that
thinks that making government more efficient less wasteful is a
bad pity.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The bigger problem is the process right now that it's
that things are happening as opposed to actually getting rid
of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you look at
the first quarter numbers that came out compared to last year,
you will find that the money that was spent in
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the same time period last year under different administration to now,
while we've fired or laid off, I had lost count
of the number of federal workers shut down buildings which
shuts down you know, all the all the management, all
the money that goes into managing a building and keeping
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it open and running and viable for people to use.
We've spent one hundred and eighty four billion more dollars
this year than last year in the same time period.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Okay, so how are we How are we eliminating waste,
broaden abuse?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
If we're spending more money and yet we have left
things that we're spending money on by already shutting all
these things down and getting rid of all these.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
People, then the question could be come to you? Is
why all the protests? Then? You know, because if nothing
has changed, if it was okay last year, what is the.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Big deal now? Now?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you
about that. I've been I've been at these protests where
I mean people. You know, I'm going to tell you
one story in particular, a woman come up to me crummy,
I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had never met her,
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never seen her before anything else. And what it happened
was we were actually out in front of Thomas Mancy's
office on Buttermill Pike and her husband had picked up
their child from school, was taking their child to an
her school activity, and he called her at home and said, honey,
they're out on Buttermilk Pike. And she immediately threw a
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bunch of stuff in her car and drove up to
meet us. And you know, because I was back and
forth between people and everything, I had to kind of
wait till the end of the protest to specifically go
up to her. Once I you know, she joined us,
I was like, are you okay, And once she was yes,
I'm okay, I'm just this is so amazing, And I
was doing all my other stuff. I wanted to find
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out what her story was, and here come to find
out she's a federal worker who lost her job, you know,
and was so moved that people were concerned enough to
be out there.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Did she get the buy out?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know. I didn't ask about that. All I
know is that she said that, you know, she lost
her job.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All right, we got you know, as our producer said,
we were on a timeline here. So coming up, we'll
talk a little bit more about this and again talk
more about this issue. My guest is Anne Dickerson, co founder,
lead organized lead organ Why can't I say that right?
Lead organized lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
(25:11):
Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS, the talk
station fifty five KRC, the talk station Spring is here,
and that means why station you continue in our conversation
with Anne Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for Indivisible
Northern Kentucky. Before the break, we talked about federal layoffs.
You talked about this person that showed up one of
the protests, and it was about a month and a
(25:32):
half ago. At was it Rand Paul's office, I believe, okay,
and this federal worker came up and was in tears
that she had lost her job. Now, on a weekly basis,
there is on Thursday, there is the initial job claims
report that comes out, the unemployment numbers from the Bureau
of Labor Statistics and whatever. And they keep saying week
(25:56):
after week after week that the layoffs in the federal
government aren't starting to show up in these numbers yet.
Number One, because in a lot of instances, if they
do have that eight month severance package, they are still
technically employed. They're getting a check on a periodic, you know,
a normal paycheck until the eight months, which gives them
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plenty of time to go out and find another bit
of employment. I've heard stories about people that are up
at retirement age and they said, oh man, what a
gift from heaven. I was getting ready to retire and
I get this buyout package. It gives me a paycheck
for the next eight months, and how great is that?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So we have that, and so the federal lager.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Have you got to anybody that's actually started receiving it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if they have or not, but that
if they have not been receiving it, then they would
qualify for filing for unemployment, and according to the numbers,
that isn't showing up yet. Now I know that some
of the federal workers, I don't know if all of
them are in some sort of a separate system that
it handles their unemployment. And the numbers from that are
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that on a weekly basis, that's gone. I think one
week it went up five hundred and thirty four versus
another week where it was up two hundreds.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's a that's a question that again, if we didn't
have spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, but people
that would actually go out and do investigative news, we
would know these things instead of you and I having
to dig up these numbers ourselves.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now I agree with you on that as well. I
love independent media.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But anyway, we only got about three minutes left here,
so I want to, you know, make sure that I
want to say.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I do want to say too. You know, even though
we have you know, met in these offices, we have
protested in front of these offices and other places. I
do like to give credit where credit is due, and
tech did the person that connected US after ran Paull's
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speech on the floor where he stood up against the tariffs,
and he stood up against the breakdown of the three
coequal branches of government, stating also that he did not
want to live in a place that was governed by
an emergency rule. And I think this is a very
(28:27):
scary time for people because of all the chaos, because
there was no plan. I mean, if I owned, if
I was going to take over a business, of course,
of course you would want to, you know, check each department,
see who you were going to keep, who you were
going to keep, you know, try to find out where
the areas are that you could save money, where you
(28:47):
could make things efficient, so on and so forth. But
you don't take a sledgehammer to it with no plan.
And then you know, you fire people, get tired back,
then you buy ore people again, you know, and the
terriffs on again, off again, on again, off again. I
don't even want to talk to my money manager I
(29:11):
because it's going to put me in a state of
anxiety that I may never come out of.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I mean, I will finish up with this. I'll finish
up with this. And that you can go through corporate
corporation after corporation. After corporation, you can go through the
United Auto Workers, you can go through the people that
were terminated on the Keystone XL pipeline. You can talk
to people that got shown that will actually offer of
a buyout from Cincinnati Bell when they merged and transferred
(29:40):
and whatever. You see all these different corporations, and there's
always that several people I know some that were like,
you know, eight weeks shy of that, fifteen years or whatever,
so they're fully vested or whatever. And that happens in
corporate business all the time, and it's not right there.
But nobody's protest and whining I don't mean whining, but
(30:02):
protesting about.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
That you do, but you don't want to say that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, I mean, again, you know these are kind of
the terms that you know people will understand and so on.
But again I rail at you know, the fact that
you know, you go to some of these and they've
they've gone through these offices in Washington and even in
corporate America itself. You go into how many people are
working from home? And I don't nobody's going to convince
(30:28):
me that people that there are some, but there are
not everybody that's more productive working at home than working
in an office. And the fact that you go into
some of these federal buildings and six percent of the
people are there, but if you discount all the maintenance
people and everything, you're down to a three percent people
that are actually working there.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, doctors have to go into the office, nurses
have to go into the office, all the you know,
the police and fire have to go into their office.
I think the least taxpayers can do and workers can
do is go into their office and.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do the job that they were hired to do. So again, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Don't know if we solve the world's issues here, but
I would certainly like to talk to you a little
bit more at some.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Point in time, and at any time.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I think if we can eliminate the idea that everybody
on my side is a Nazi, that the fact that
we should be, you know, taking and torching Tesla dealerships
and calling for the assassination of Elon Mosk or Donald Trump,
you gotta admit that's going a lot too far.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So well, I.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Do not advocate for violence in any way, shape or
form when it comes to any of this. The same
way that I was, you know, the same way that
I was shocked when you know, uh people my kent
and you know, and now you if I have not
heard anything about what you just mentioned as far as
(31:55):
calling for people to be killed, I would never agree
with that, no matter who it was or what the
circumstance was. I don't agree with that in any way,
shape or form. What we do is protests. Everything we
do is well planned out. Everybody knows the rules, you know,
knows the right way to behave in public settings. I'm
(32:17):
a real stickler for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's why we have a first. That's why we have
the first.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It is agreed and we need to keep it instead
of you know, now, we've got measures even here, hee.
Just this past session they passed a bill limiting that.
You know, they're trying to limit protests. They're trying to
limit people's ability to exercise free speech.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Obviously, you've never gone to a city council meeting or
a county commissioner meeting in any of the counties and
you try to talk about some issues there. Yeah, there
is now in Campbell County, the People's Republic of Campbell County,
there is a Kevin Gordon rule where you're only allowed
to speak for two minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So anyway, and it's been interesting, and we've got to
talk some more, and we're really late for a break,
and I certainly appreciate your time, and sure we'll be
in touch. And Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for
Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
fifty five KRC, The talk
Speaker 1 (33:25):
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