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Speaker 1 (00:00):
City by CARECD talk station, Happy Wednesday. The world's a
better place. Thank you to Claremont County Prosecutor Mark to Coulby,
along with assistant prosecutors Christine Detillo and Zachary Zipper, as
well as the Union Township Police Department for all the
work they did on prosecuting and convicting Charlie Theetterman. Welcome
(00:20):
to the morning show. How Many County Prosecutor Mark to
Culvey on behalf of my entire what Joe, I'm sorry,
Claremont County Prosecutor Mark to Colby on behalf of my
entire listening audience and me personally for taking care of
this vile human being. Let my listeners know about what
this guy did and what you went through and prosecuting him.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Thank you for having me on my pleasure. It's great
to be able to communicate with the community about this
sort of, as you say, vile individual. This involved a
young woman known to him, under age at the time
fifteen sixteen years old, and he obviously ninety three counts
(01:00):
facing up to four hundred and fifty some years in prison.
This came to light a few years ago. It was
investigated extraordinarily well by the Union Township Police Department, Chief
Reese and his detectives did a great job on this.
Clairemont County Children's Protective Services got involved early on and
was instrumental and more fully developing the initial allegations so
(01:23):
the police could do something meaningful with him. This sick individual, theaterman,
he videotaped every one of these.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Crimes, ninety three felony charges. We've got rape, growth, sexual imposition,
sexual battery, pandering and sexual ornament oriented material, involving a minor,
and tampering with evidence. But he recorded all of it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He recorded every bit of it. And with the cooperation
between my office, the assistants of our highly trained victim
witness advocates and all of us who pete great heed
and attention to Marcy's will to protect victims, and with
the expertise of my assistant prosecutors, mainly Christina Dondolo, who
(02:08):
has vast experience in protecting and prosecuting these types of
cases and protecting these types of victims. The jury had
to sit through days and days of vile, disgusting videos.
This victim is crying, telling theedman that she hates him.
But they did their job as in their civic duty.
(02:31):
They sat through this trial, They deliberate, and they returned
a verdict of guilty on all accounts. And we are
going to be extremely pleased to go to court for
his sentencing on August twenty sixth at one pm and
demand that he received a substantial sentence. One we believe
it will ensure that he never gets out of prison alive.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, and you know, adding insult to injury bad enough
that he molested this young woman. He represented himself a
trial and after having to see all of the horror
that he meted down upon this young woman, he got
to question her about this. I cannot imagine what was
going through her head.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
She is one of the most brave and courageous victims.
If you probably have a good idea how child's sex
abuse victims suffered this trauma for their entire life.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, came through.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It was a horrible experience for her. But we met
with her. My assistants met with her, the victim witness
advocates met with her and did our best to handle
her in a respectful and dignified way and still at
the same time go through these materials that were discussing
so she could be ready for trial, prepared for trial,
(03:49):
and that we could secure a conviction against this this
disgusting pig.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well Clarimon County Prosecutor to Caulby, you also illustrate one
of the more disturbing elements of what law enforcement and
the other agents he's involved with this have to go through.
I recall them when my sister, before she retired from
the CINCINNT Police Department, spent a number of years in
the Special Crimes Department, which involved yess, in part, molesters
of children, and the weight of having that on your mind,
(04:15):
knowing that there's this pervert out there probably continuing to
do this this commit these crimes while you're gathering enough
evidence to prosecute them. They're still out there, don't I
couldn't go home and sleep at night knowing that.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, and you made me think that this opportunity you're
giving me to speak on your show is it is
an avenue for me to convey to the public if
anyone knows of a victim of a crime of any type,
but in particular this type of crime sexual abuseful child,
(04:49):
encourage them to come forward. There are many many services
out there, yes for metal health treatment, and certainly law
enforcement knows how to investigate these matters. And yeah, there
enough evidence is here to secure convictions and protect the public.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And I know the Union Township Police Department did their
best to look into it. But you're talking about there
was one single victim with all this video, and she
was the one that had to testify in court. Are
there any other victims out there? I mean, you say,
if you looked, Because usually these perverts are looking for
opportunities wherever they are.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I would say, you're correct, and that is generally what
I believe to be true from my experience. We know
of no other victim.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Of the good. Did you have some connection? I'm thinking
of the parents out there that maybe they're one of
their children is going through this right now and they
have no idea that it's happening. Is there information or
advice you can give to parents what to look out for,
or I mean anything at all by way of advice.
I mean, this obviously went on for a long period
(05:51):
of time, considering the number of charges that were made.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yes, did. I'm going to hand you off to Christina Dabelo.
She handles these. She's the chief assistant in my office,
handles these these horrible sex abuse cases. Again, she's vast experience,
and she if you don't mind to what I think,
she can probably give you a better answer.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Than I'm I'll be more than happy to talk to
her and thank her in person. Get her on the
She's right.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Here you, sir, Good morning. This is Christina Dottello. Your
question was, are there signs and things that parents could
look out for? Is that right? Yes, yes, I'd say
primarily a lot of kids who are being abused tend
to start dressing differently. They if it's a female who
(06:38):
who is being abused, she often wants to associate with boys,
wants to be a boy, wants to change her name
to a boy or something else, wants to start dressing differently.
They've often told me and my coworkers that they want
to associate with anything but the gender that they were
because that gender is what keeps getting abused. So that's
(06:58):
one big thing. Another thing is ifanging and sleep habits,
eating habits, if they start withdrawing from friends, family, just
big change in behavior. But one of the big ones
is there are a lot of kids changing their names
right now and changing their genders and their identities that's
a huge one.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
How about that. I've never heard that before. Oh my god,
Oh my god. Now did she have any connection with
this guy? Because you know, I think quite often you'll
hear it's the uncle who was involved. I mean, are
there warning signs for parents to look out for for
people who are you know, connected with the family in
some way that brings them around regularly that is suggested
(07:35):
that their behavior is inappropriate and maybe something's going on
behind the scenes that they need to keep their eye
out for.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, I think it's just common sense. Keep your
eye open, your eyes open, if you see something that
strikes you as a little odd, then look into it
because it might be Trust your instincts, and I am
going to hand you back to Mark.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, thank thank you on behalf of the entire community,
Assistant prosecutor. That it's just I really truly pre what
you do and what you go through on behalf of
protecting children, because I could not personally cope with having
to look at this type of evidence. It just it
brings up bio in my throat to even talk.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
About it, I know, And that's why I appreciate Mark
so much, because he's given me the opportunity to handle
cases like these, and that's my primary focus, which makes
me better at it. So I have to thank my boss,
Mark Tokolby for allowing me to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he's a good man, and you obviously are not
standing assistant prosecutor. Well, but you don't need to give
back just I have an evidentiary question to ask you.
I was a litigation attorney, but I practice it exclusively
in civil litigation. So in spite of my knowledge of
the criminal justice system, I'm just wondering, from an evidentiary perspective,
was there any way to prosecute this case without having
(08:44):
to provide all of this video, every single one of
them to the jury for the trial. I mean, isn't
like an illustration of it enough so they don't have
to suffer through it?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
As far as providing the video to the jury, that's
the best evidence.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I hate to hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I know. Here is my boss. Thank you so much
for you. Thank you very much, Brian, Thank you for much.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Kama County Prosecutor Mark to Calvey again, congratulations on the
outstanding work. I know you're hard at work on other
cases out there. Did how did this first come on
your radar? If I could ask real quick because it
took obviously it sounded like several years from start to finish.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
As most cases do. There's a report to somehow gets
filtered to the police department of all involved in time
Union Township, who we work very closely with all law
enforcement agencies from the outset. They don't just bundle up
a case and bring it to us. When they have
something that pops up or comes to their attentions as
an emerging investigation today, they get a hold of us
(09:46):
right away. We're typically there on the ground floor with them,
working together with them to put together the best case
we can.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Clearly you did in this case. Well, I hope he
gets all four hundred and fifty years he's eligible for.
He'll have a great time prison giving these a child molester.
We all know that, Clairemont County Prosecutor to Calby, thank
you so much for spending time with my listeners and
me this morning on this case and for the great
work you did leading up to the prosecution. I'll look
forward to the sentencing day which is coming up August
(10:15):
twenty sixth one if you want to be there.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Thanks Bi Brian, let me close out with this, Nashield.
Next week is National Police Night Out. Oh yeah, we're
there Tuesday. The Sheriff's office and Goshen PD and Milford
p D and Miami Township PD have theirs. Peerce Township
has THEIRS on Wednesday, and Union Township has THEIRS on Thursday.
So we would encourage everyone to come out to speak
(10:39):
with the police officer and get to know them. It's
a it's a great community event and.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
An opportunity to thank them for the hard work they
they are involved with each and every day. Thank you
very much, sir, it's been a pleasure having you on
this show. Great job, great job. E fifty six but
you got cares the Talk Station Big Picture with Jack
Addan about letting children vote. Donovan Neil talking about the
one Small Step campaign. You can get involved, Just a
little bit of efforts going to go a long way.
(11:04):
Judge Betsy Sunnoman on curfews not working, and that's because
the police have been told not to enforce them. Judge
and Paulton. Of course, my conversation with Claremont County Prosecutor
Mark to Kalby, it's all there. Fifty five KRC dot
com on the podcast page. Tomorrow Sarah Haringer, widow of
the late stabbing victim from downtown Cincinnati. She has been
(11:27):
on a tear and a rant for reform in the
city of Cincinnati. She'll join the program in studio tomorrow
for a full hour along with the other guests lined up.
Thank you Joe Stracker, you do a great job man. Folks,
have a great day and stick around Glendex.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Up next.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
President Trump made clear that a peaceful resolution was possible
if I Ran agreed to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Another updates at the top of the hour. Fifty five
KRZ the talkstation
City by CARECD talk station, Happy Wednesday. The world's a
better place. Thank you to Claremont County Prosecutor Mark to Coulby,
along with assistant prosecutors Christine Detillo and Zachary Zipper, as
well as the Union Township Police Department for all the
work they did on prosecuting and convicting Charlie Theetterman. Welcome
(00:20):
to the morning show. How Many County Prosecutor Mark to
Culvey on behalf of my entire what Joe, I'm sorry,
Claremont County Prosecutor Mark to Colby on behalf of my
entire listening audience and me personally for taking care of
this vile human being. Let my listeners know about what
this guy did and what you went through and prosecuting him.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Thank you for having me on my pleasure. It's great
to be able to communicate with the community about this
sort of, as you say, vile individual. This involved a
young woman known to him, under age at the time
fifteen sixteen years old, and he obviously ninety three counts
(01:00):
facing up to four hundred and fifty some years in prison.
This came to light a few years ago. It was
investigated extraordinarily well by the Union Township Police Department, Chief
Reese and his detectives did a great job on this.
Clairemont County Children's Protective Services got involved early on and
was instrumental and more fully developing the initial allegations so
(01:23):
the police could do something meaningful with him. This sick individual, theaterman,
he videotaped every one of these.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Crimes, ninety three felony charges. We've got rape, growth, sexual imposition,
sexual battery, pandering and sexual ornament oriented material, involving a minor,
and tampering with evidence. But he recorded all of it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He recorded every bit of it. And with the cooperation
between my office, the assistants of our highly trained victim
witness advocates and all of us who pete great heed
and attention to Marcy's will to protect victims, and with
the expertise of my assistant prosecutors, mainly Christina Dondolo, who
(02:08):
has vast experience in protecting and prosecuting these types of
cases and protecting these types of victims. The jury had
to sit through days and days of vile, disgusting videos.
This victim is crying, telling theedman that she hates him.
But they did their job as in their civic duty.
(02:31):
They sat through this trial, They deliberate, and they returned
a verdict of guilty on all accounts. And we are
going to be extremely pleased to go to court for
his sentencing on August twenty sixth at one pm and
demand that he received a substantial sentence. One we believe
it will ensure that he never gets out of prison alive.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, and you know, adding insult to injury bad enough
that he molested this young woman. He represented himself a
trial and after having to see all of the horror
that he meted down upon this young woman, he got
to question her about this. I cannot imagine what was
going through her head.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
She is one of the most brave and courageous victims.
If you probably have a good idea how child's sex
abuse victims suffered this trauma for their entire life.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, came through.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It was a horrible experience for her. But we met
with her. My assistants met with her, the victim witness
advocates met with her and did our best to handle
her in a respectful and dignified way and still at
the same time go through these materials that were discussing
so she could be ready for trial, prepared for trial,
(03:49):
and that we could secure a conviction against this this
disgusting pig.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well Clarimon County Prosecutor to Caulby, you also illustrate one
of the more disturbing elements of what law enforcement and
the other agents he's involved with this have to go through.
I recall them when my sister, before she retired from
the CINCINNT Police Department, spent a number of years in
the Special Crimes Department, which involved yess, in part, molesters
of children, and the weight of having that on your mind,
(04:15):
knowing that there's this pervert out there probably continuing to
do this this commit these crimes while you're gathering enough
evidence to prosecute them. They're still out there, don't I
couldn't go home and sleep at night knowing that.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, and you made me think that this opportunity you're
giving me to speak on your show is it is
an avenue for me to convey to the public if
anyone knows of a victim of a crime of any type,
but in particular this type of crime sexual abuseful child,
(04:49):
encourage them to come forward. There are many many services
out there, yes for metal health treatment, and certainly law
enforcement knows how to investigate these matters. And yeah, there
enough evidence is here to secure convictions and protect the public.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And I know the Union Township Police Department did their
best to look into it. But you're talking about there
was one single victim with all this video, and she
was the one that had to testify in court. Are
there any other victims out there? I mean, you say,
if you looked, Because usually these perverts are looking for
opportunities wherever they are.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I would say, you're correct, and that is generally what
I believe to be true from my experience. We know
of no other victim.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Of the good. Did you have some connection? I'm thinking
of the parents out there that maybe they're one of
their children is going through this right now and they
have no idea that it's happening. Is there information or
advice you can give to parents what to look out for,
or I mean anything at all by way of advice.
I mean, this obviously went on for a long period
(05:51):
of time, considering the number of charges that were made.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yes, did. I'm going to hand you off to Christina Dabelo.
She handles these. She's the chief assistant in my office,
handles these these horrible sex abuse cases. Again, she's vast experience,
and she if you don't mind to what I think,
she can probably give you a better answer.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Than I'm I'll be more than happy to talk to
her and thank her in person. Get her on the
She's right.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Here you, sir, Good morning. This is Christina Dottello. Your
question was, are there signs and things that parents could
look out for? Is that right? Yes, yes, I'd say
primarily a lot of kids who are being abused tend
to start dressing differently. They if it's a female who
(06:38):
who is being abused, she often wants to associate with boys,
wants to be a boy, wants to change her name
to a boy or something else, wants to start dressing differently.
They've often told me and my coworkers that they want
to associate with anything but the gender that they were
because that gender is what keeps getting abused. So that's
(06:58):
one big thing. Another thing is ifanging and sleep habits,
eating habits, if they start withdrawing from friends, family, just
big change in behavior. But one of the big ones
is there are a lot of kids changing their names
right now and changing their genders and their identities that's
a huge one.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
How about that. I've never heard that before. Oh my god,
Oh my god. Now did she have any connection with
this guy? Because you know, I think quite often you'll
hear it's the uncle who was involved. I mean, are
there warning signs for parents to look out for for
people who are you know, connected with the family in
some way that brings them around regularly that is suggested
(07:35):
that their behavior is inappropriate and maybe something's going on
behind the scenes that they need to keep their eye
out for.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, I think it's just common sense. Keep your
eye open, your eyes open, if you see something that
strikes you as a little odd, then look into it
because it might be Trust your instincts, and I am
going to hand you back to Mark.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, thank thank you on behalf of the entire community,
Assistant prosecutor. That it's just I really truly pre what
you do and what you go through on behalf of
protecting children, because I could not personally cope with having
to look at this type of evidence. It just it
brings up bio in my throat to even talk.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
About it, I know, And that's why I appreciate Mark
so much, because he's given me the opportunity to handle
cases like these, and that's my primary focus, which makes
me better at it. So I have to thank my boss,
Mark Tokolby for allowing me to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he's a good man, and you obviously are not
standing assistant prosecutor. Well, but you don't need to give
back just I have an evidentiary question to ask you.
I was a litigation attorney, but I practice it exclusively
in civil litigation. So in spite of my knowledge of
the criminal justice system, I'm just wondering, from an evidentiary perspective,
was there any way to prosecute this case without having
(08:44):
to provide all of this video, every single one of
them to the jury for the trial. I mean, isn't
like an illustration of it enough so they don't have
to suffer through it?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
As far as providing the video to the jury, that's
the best evidence.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I hate to hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I know. Here is my boss. Thank you so much
for you. Thank you very much, Brian, Thank you for much.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Kama County Prosecutor Mark to Calvey again, congratulations on the
outstanding work. I know you're hard at work on other
cases out there. Did how did this first come on
your radar? If I could ask real quick because it
took obviously it sounded like several years from start to finish.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
As most cases do. There's a report to somehow gets
filtered to the police department of all involved in time
Union Township, who we work very closely with all law
enforcement agencies from the outset. They don't just bundle up
a case and bring it to us. When they have
something that pops up or comes to their attentions as
an emerging investigation today, they get a hold of us
(09:46):
right away. We're typically there on the ground floor with them,
working together with them to put together the best case
we can.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Clearly you did in this case. Well, I hope he
gets all four hundred and fifty years he's eligible for.
He'll have a great time prison giving these a child molester.
We all know that, Clairemont County Prosecutor to Calby, thank
you so much for spending time with my listeners and
me this morning on this case and for the great
work you did leading up to the prosecution. I'll look
forward to the sentencing day which is coming up August
(10:15):
twenty sixth one if you want to be there.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Thanks Bi Brian, let me close out with this, Nashield.
Next week is National Police Night Out. Oh yeah, we're
there Tuesday. The Sheriff's office and Goshen PD and Milford
p D and Miami Township PD have theirs. Peerce Township
has THEIRS on Wednesday, and Union Township has THEIRS on Thursday.
So we would encourage everyone to come out to speak
(10:39):
with the police officer and get to know them. It's
a it's a great community event and.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
An opportunity to thank them for the hard work they
they are involved with each and every day. Thank you
very much, sir, it's been a pleasure having you on
this show. Great job, great job. E fifty six but
you got cares the Talk Station Big Picture with Jack
Addan about letting children vote. Donovan Neil talking about the
one Small Step campaign. You can get involved, Just a
little bit of efforts going to go a long way.
(11:04):
Judge Betsy Sunnoman on curfews not working, and that's because
the police have been told not to enforce them. Judge
and Paulton. Of course, my conversation with Claremont County Prosecutor
Mark to Kalby, it's all there. Fifty five KRC dot
com on the podcast page. Tomorrow Sarah Haringer, widow of
the late stabbing victim from downtown Cincinnati. She has been
(11:27):
on a tear and a rant for reform in the
city of Cincinnati. She'll join the program in studio tomorrow
for a full hour along with the other guests lined up.
Thank you Joe Stracker, you do a great job man. Folks,
have a great day and stick around Glendex.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Up next.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
President Trump made clear that a peaceful resolution was possible
if I Ran agreed to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Another updates at the top of the hour. Fifty five
KRZ the talkstation
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