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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ay thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station, A very
happy Tuesday made even that much more special the return
of a man My listeners love Mark Levin the most
one of the most widely read offers in the nation.
Seven consecutive number one New York Times bestseller. You probably
already read American Marxism and Liberty and Tiorney if you haven't,
get them and share them with your friends. And another

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book for your reading list, the one we're going to
be talking about today. And welcome to the fifty five
krse Mark Levin to talk about your new book, Boy,
you pulled no punches on the title The Democrat Party
Hates America. Welcome back to the fifty five krc Morning Show.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Sir.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I think it was Jesse Jackson who said the truth
shall set you free.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yah.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Anyway, thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
How I am doing well and I'm so pleased to
see you've got this this book. And early in the
program we were supposed to be a guest on Gaye against Grimmers.
It's organization that does not like this whole idea of
our children being sexualized and being an indoctrinate in the
name of the LGBTQ alphabet salad. My perception of that
is in an effort to and I know you deal

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with a nuclear family in your book, but to not
only undermine the nuclear family, take parents out of the equation,
but also to undermine religious philosophy. I mean, we have
the free exercise religion right in this country, and that
includes all different forms of doctrinal, dogmatic belief systems. But
the left hates the belief in God. It is a

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higher power than the state. Marxist hate religion. This is
an effort to eradicate religion. My perception yours, sir, Have
I got a right?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I think you're one hundred percent right, because it's really indistinguishable,
isn't it. I mean faith, all faiths almost. I think
I'll do stress the family structure, the nuclear family. They
all reject the perversion that our children are being taught
in our schools, and they're putting books in their libraries
with the graphics and everything else. And as I say,

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there's an entire chapter on this in the book, because
I think it's so very important. Wrote about it in
the Communist manifesto. You have to destroy the nuclear fam
I mean you have to destroy faith. Why because they
create a belief system, a social structure that emphasizes a

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belief in something other than mankind and government. Okay, well,
what is Marxism about? And frankly, what's the Democrat Party about?
Centralized government ruled by men, not by buide laws. And
so it's very important to me that we discuss these
issues now, like children, like parents, like these books and

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so forth, in the context of the Democrat part I'll
give you an example. Is there a single top Democrat
that opposes what's taking place in our classrooms? Can you
think of one? I can't think of a single one.
Is there a single national Democrat at any level who
stands up for the parents against But these these government

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bureaucracies are doing in public schools are government bureaucracies to
our children?

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Not one.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
In fact, they talk about book parning and removing books.
So we're removing pornography, We're removing things from our libraries
that should never have been put there in the first place.
And so we plead guilly to that. But the nuclear
family is critical, and it's critical that it be destroyed

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if your goal is to look the Democrat Party. The
point of the book is the Democrat Party is not
a typical party. It's about time when we discuss all
these issues we explain that this is the political and
cultural entity that is behind all of it. The teachers' unions,
whether it's in the classroom or whether it's two and

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a half million precinct workers, are an appendage of the
Democrat Party. The massive bureaucracy was mostly built by the
Democrat Party. We're gonna have a government shutdown in five days,
essentially because the Crap Party wants more money, more personnel
going into its fourth branch of government, and it will
do anything necessary. They don't care who they hurt to

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empower it and expand it, so it is ubiquitous. All
these laws are about appliances in our home and so
called equity, and all the rest of it's coming into
the bureaucracy in executive orders by the President of the
United States. Nobody's voted for this stuff. They undermine representative government,
they undermine the Supreme Court. They undermine our sovereignty and

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our immigration system. They're undermining capitalism and the value of
our currency. They're undermining local law enforcement. They're packing the
courts with radical left wing quite frankly political bomb throwers,
and so you know, start writing this essay the title
if the Democrat Party loves America, they have a funny
way of showing it.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, it is a common trend by the left across
this land of our sewing division everywhere, at any turn,
on any subject matter. And this all seems to be
to just simply effectively undermine everyone's faith in the concept
of America. I mean, even the flag itself is now

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a symbol of division, where at least, at some point,
even in my life, sir, you could look at the
flag and at least say, well, it stands for freedom,
and that includes my right to my belief systems and
my religion and how I want to raise my children.
And yeah, if you want to be a weirdo over
there and raise your children differently, we all are under
the banner of freedom. Well, no longer that is not

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going to work from the left. You must abide by
their set of principles or you will be ostracized.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
We're in the middle of a revolution and people don't
want to call things what they are. I call things
what they are. I'm not a politician, I'm not running
for off as none of us are. Radio well some are,
I guess, but we're not. And so the truth is
very very important for people to understand. We're in the
middle of a revolution that seeks to destroy our sovereignty,

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in the nature of citizenry, the nuclear family, that seeks
to turn race against race, economic even like classes one
against the other. And this is what the American Marxists do.
The Progressive Era was nothing more than a Marxist movement
that was Americanized fifty years forty years really after Marx

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wrote the Communist Manifestment, and they run a lot more
than that, but that's sort of his highlight. And so
this party has never accepted America. Even before the Civil
War was not just a war over slavery and whether
we keep the unit, was a war between the Republican
Party and the Democrat Party. And since then they've still
been a war with the country. They've never accepted Americanism.

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They don't accept the idea of unalienable rights. I mean,
you have presidents who read the Declaration from Obama through Biden,
Democrats who rewrite the Declaration of Independence because it takes
the word our Creator in other words of that sort
out of the Declaration of Independence, and they don't agree
with it. The Constitution has always been considered the obstacle

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to what the radical left wants to do. Then that
is the Democrat Party. That's why they lie about the
fourteenth Amendment. They attack free speech, they attack free exercise
of religion, they attack the Second Amendment, do process rights.
I could go on and on and on. That's why
they push the sixteen to nineteen projects CRT. But I
think what's important about this book is I give it

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real substance of history. I explain the ideology. I explain
their tactics. Because we talk almost in a vacuum about
look at the border, look at this and the Democrats opposed. Well,
if we really comprehend that this is more than a
political party, it is an autocratic party like they have

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in Marxists and Fascists and other autocratic regimes. There understanding
of what we're talking about this party. You got to
look at this party through the lens of power. They
know what they're doing with the border open. They don't
give a damn about Democrats in New York whinding because
they know they're going to get their votes anyway.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
It's simple.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
They want to turn Texas blue. Then Republicans can't win
even under the electoral college. Ever, that's why they want
to change the election laws and have proposed it multiple
times in the House to basically give us California's election
system where Republicans can never live a win. And I
explained in the book that it's much like these other

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parties in other countries where you have a monopoly party,
a state party. In effect, sure, they're happy to run
against another party as long as that party is so
weak and so incapable of winning because the conditions have
been made impossible for that party to win. Then they
call themselves a democracy, which they always do. Then they

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can claim they're working on behalf to the people, that
they have a mandate, which they always claim when they're
completely the opposite. And you know, here's the deal. It's
very hard to really explain this book in ten minutes,
which I have to do. And you're fantastic, gut get
me wrong. It's just not possible.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Sorry, well, we'll grab it, Mark Levin. It'll be number
eight in a string of best sellers. Everyone's going to
get at my listening audience. They can get it at
my walk on my blog page web page fifty five
care Sea dot com. You get a link there, share
it with your friends, spread the knowledge you have to
understand in order to fight back. Mark Levin, thank you
for being a wonderful guide and teacher in helping America

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understand the terrible direction this country is going and the
motivation behind it. You are just the best. And thanks
for coming on the program to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
And you're terrific generous with your time. I really appreciate it.
And congratulations when when they.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Win on.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Finally, thank you Mark for that as well. God bless you, sir.
Stay Well eight forty fifty five are ceedtalk Station fifty
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Speaker 6 (09:59):
Get a copy of the book.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Ato six fifty five KRCD talk Station, A very happy
Thursday to you. I've been looking forward to this moment
since I Well got the new book. Bill O'Reilly a
man who needs no introduction. Everybody's read his multiple books.
An amazing author he is, and he's got eighteen national
number one best selling non fiction book soon to be
nineteen another new book in the Killing series, all of

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which have been fantastic. This book, Killing the Witches a
wonderful read. Welcome back, Bill, O'Reilly, to the fifty five
KRS Morning show. I thoroughly enjoyed this book, my friend.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Well, thank you for reading it, Brian, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
How are you doing, I'm doing really well. And your books.
You can't put your books down. I read it in thirds.
I got a third way through. I had to take
a break. I came back the next day, got a
third done, finish it up. It's just such a fascinating read,
well documented history. And you start with the establishment of
the colonies. We're talking about witches, and it starts off
with the first section on the Salem witch trials. I

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was screaming due process at the top by Lungs Bill.
These witch trials were absolute insanity.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
And twenty people were executed and another two hundred and
fifty put in prison under false allegations. And that's why
Brian I wrote the book, because we are in the
age now of the witch hunt. Yes, and at the
end of Killing Whiches, we get into that on how
accusations in America now are convictions and people's lives are

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being ruined and this cancel culture is running wild. So
it's very relevant to today. And I'm happy you read
the book. Because Americans, most of them are busy, are
looking out for your family, trying to you know, put
together a good life, and you lose sight of why

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your country is the way it is. And like, for example,
I put you on a mayflower sixty six days from Plymouth,
England to Cape Cough. Well, you don't want to be
on that boat, no, I mean that was a horrendous journey.
And people think Thanksgiving co goes past the stuffing. No,
it was. And I think it's important that Americans understand

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how their country came to be and the good things
about it and the bad things about it.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, in the profound effect that those sale and witch
trials had on the founding of our country. As the
colonies developed, there were so many different religions. You of
course had the Anglican Church Church of England and established church,
and that obviously created a rebellious component along with the taxation.
The Anglican Church taxed everyone as a member of the church,
whether or not you went to church. That really, if

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I may be so bold in using this language, pissed
a lot of people off.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Well, and they didn't have the money, right, and then
if you didn't have the money, they would come in
and take your stuff. Yeah, so it was it was
like communism. What the crown set up was a theocracy
in America, the New World who was called then, whereby

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you had to be a member of the Church of England,
as you pointed out, the Anglican Church. But even worse
than that, or the dissenters who didn't want to be
they turned into religious zealous and started killing people because
little girls that drove this witch hunt stuff would accuse
adults of whatever. Yeah he wanted me to sign the

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Devil's book, or he came in the night and hurt me,
or whatever it may be. And then you said, oh, okay,
get the rope.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, appeared to me in the form of an animal
and spoke. You know, these young girls, these are young
girls or teenagers. Basically, they go into court, they make
these accusations. They had these fake hissy fits like they've
been been possessed. While these folks are on trial, all
of this is admissible in court and cannot be refuted
by the person in the chair. And weirdly enough, Bill O'Reilly,

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as you point out over and over again, the easiest
way out of getting avoiding being killed by these trials
was to admit to being a witch.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, I mean if the people figured it out, because
they would be told, hey, if you admit it, then
we're not going to kill you. Might keep you in
jail for a few months, but you'll keep your life.
And then of course people are going to do that.
But here's another thing that we found out that I
didn't even know that there were good people in Salem

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in New England who didn't want this, who knew that
this was murder. But if they said anything, if they objected,
they themselves were accused of being a witch. And today
in the cancel culture, if you stick up for somebody
who's accused just by saying, hey, you know, let's give
the person do process, as you pointed out, Ryan, then

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they're going to turn their guns on you. Yes, the
cancel culture people, we'll see and try to destroy you.
So we have to deal with this in America. We
have to stop this. And I think after people reading
Killing the Witches, which is I think number five on
Amazon right now, it's rocketing, it is, they're gonna say,

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you know this, this whole cancel culture nonsense. We got
to get rid of this because it's really hurting the country.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
And I can hear a leftist right now saying, yeah, well,
that's because of religion, and religion was used to obtain,
you know, a political advantage, to settle scores, to get
rid of enemies, in the name of accusing someone to
being a witch, we need to get rid of religion.
You kind of deal with that throughout the colonial period
with Ben Franklin and his sort of you know, vacillations
between being religious and not being religious, and his you know,

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exploration of life and observing all that's going around him.
But leftism is in and of itself a religion. You
have to take a leap of faith to believe in Marxism.
And that's what we're talking about here. It's that it's
political religion in this particular case that leads to the
cancel culture.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, I mean, it has nothing to do with the
cancel culture today. It's all ideology, right, And you know,
I don't know what he saw it, Brian, but I
did an hour interview with Tucker Carson last night and
all of your listeners can hear it on ex Twitter
or whatever.

Speaker 8 (16:15):
Is.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
This whole world escapes me, But I understand about twenty
million people saw the interview so far, and we basically
go through the fact that now in America, politics is
being used to destroy people, just like religion, as you

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pointed out, was used to destroy people in sixteen ninety two.
Now politics is being used and it's absolutely wrong. I mean,
it's almost frightening in some cases.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
What I found in I don't ask you for the
explanation just because I was fascinated. Never heard of Ronald Hunkler.
So you start out with the you start out with
the colonization. You moved through the Ben Franklin history, the
establishment of our country, and obviously all of the reasons
we have due process and the free exercise because they
had lived through all this accusation and cancel culture version

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or cancel human humanity.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Culture.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
But you move forward to nineteen forty nine and this wild,
wild story of Ronald Hunkler, who had never heard of.
He was the factual basis for the movie The Exorcist.
That was a real story.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, I look, the reason that the people in Salem
were frightened out of their minds of witches was because
witches were in the league of the Devil. So the
last part of my book, Killing the witches is contemporary
society right now. And the most famous devil intrusion is

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the Exorcist, first the book than the movie. So we
tracked down the thirteen year old Maryland boy who was
possessed literally by the devil according to the Catholic Church.
And the exorcism was over three months with eight Jesuit

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priests who took vivid records every day they had to
turn into the bishop. What happened that day we got
those records. It's absolutely harrowing with this thirteen year old
boy went.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Through it is.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
And then we trace him up until his death. What
happened to him? And then we take you to the
movie set of the movie set of the movie, the
Exorcis film, and the director, William Freakin was a pagan.
He didn't believe in God or devil or any of that.
And what happened when they were shooting the film again,

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your mouth drops. So I did that to see to
people this satan which thing is still tier it is,
And everybody's got to make up their own mind about
what they believe.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
One sentence from your book, if you'll indulge, or two
sentences from your book, if you'll indulge me. The two exorcists,
Fathers William Boudern and Father Raymond Bishop, they were there.
They lived long enough to see their exploits on film.
You write they will attend the premiere quietly admitting that
the terrors on the screen are far less scary than

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what actually happened and is so well documented. That was
mind blowing to me.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
Bill.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, and I think that's the crux of this book,
that you're going to learn a lot of stuff. It's
fun to read, as you pointed out, and once again,
I really appreciate you reading it, Brian. That's what radio
and television interviewers should do, should know what they're talking about.
But people getting killing the Witches. It's a fun read
in the sense that you're going to be engaged, but

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you're going to learn a lot and it's the best
Halloween book on earth. With apologies to Edgar.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Allan Poe another one, phil O'Reilly you knocked it out
of the park again, Killing the Witches, the Horror of Salem, Massachusetts,
and so much more. You can easily get a copy
of fifty five Cars dot com. Bill, I can't wait
for the next one. Man, I have loved reading these books.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Brian, I appreciate it. Thank you for the interview, and
if you ever need me, just give me a call.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Thank you, my friend. I will try not to. I
appreciate the option. Eight sixteen, Donna want to get a
copy of the book. We're getting ready to talk to
with my regular guest. We've had him on many times before.
One of your favorite authors, obviously one of the world's
favorite authors. New York Times best selling repeat Tom Clayland.
He's worked as a newspaper editor, magazine writer, TV and
radio commentator reporter for The New York Times, received multiple

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awards including Society Professional Journalists, Marine Corps, Heritage Foundation in
National Newspaper Association. And the books that you are already
familiar with the a Frontier law Man Trilogy, trilogy, Wild Bill,
Dodge City, and Tombstone, and then you also get Blood
and Treasure as well as Last Hill.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
The Today, he is returned to the fifty five Carency
Morning Show and.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Welcome Tom clay to talk about Follow Me to Hell,
mcnelly's Texas Rangers and the rise of Frontier Justice.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Great to have you back on the show.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
Tom, Good morning, Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Now, I guess context is really important. We're gonna we're
gonna take you're taking the readers back to the eighteen
seventies Texas, and I think it's important to sort of
because we lose sight of how really wild the wild
West was. I mean, law enforcement is an evolution during
our building of the country over the last two hundred
and fifty years. We didn't always have a cop on

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a corner. There wasn't always a courthouse down the end
of the road. There wasn't a prosecutor. People were sort
of I guess in many many cases left to their
own devices on law enforcement? Is that sort of an
accurate description Tom.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Law enforcement and the justice system. I mean law enforcement
in the sense that you only had so many sheriffs marshalls,
deputy marshalls, and sheriff's deputy shriff's to go around. And
even when you apprehended somebody, that might not be a
courthouse for one hundred miles, or it might be the
judge may only be there one weekend of the month,
and the judge might be somebody's got a full time
job as a rancher, but he's a part time judge.

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Oh wow, So yes, we sort of take for granted,
we've always had these frontier justice systems, but it was
it was pretty much uh for a long time. And
part of my book discussed as part of certainly in Texas,
it was a long it was a long time before
they had any kind of system they could enforce the law.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well in, anybody who's listening to you right now goes, well, yeah,
I guess that can lead to a lot of abuses
of the justice system. I mean, if you're out there
in the middle of nowhere and you're going to have
to either hang on to a prisoner until the judge
maybe comes in once a month, you're probably going to
dispense justice on your own, and that results in a
lot of people getting six feet under as a consequence
of being caught.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Well, there there was something a certain policy I shouldn't
say policy, but there's a certain practice that you know,
it was called the fugitive law or something like that,
that somebody's president ended up dead and the official story
would be, well, I tried to escape. You know, it
could be that just that they didn't have the time
or the need to bring them one hundred miles or
whatever it's necessary to bring them in and they would

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be the lawman, the frontier lawman would be judging jury
right there.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Filling out the paperwork. Now we can't decide whether he
committed suicide or was shot while trying to escape, reminding
me of Casabarca. Well, okay, And then I guess at
some point did the authority that the Texas Rangers were
quote unquote formed, And I kind of want you to
address that just a little bit. Did the authority for
the Texas Rangers and this evolving group that is the

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Texas Rangers. Did it come from the state where they
authorized within certain parameters or maybe unlimited authority to go
out and catch bad guys.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Well, being authorized was kind of sporadic, you know. The
I should mention that the Texas Rangers this year, in
twenty twenty three, are celebrating the Advice Centennial, which is
pretty remarkable to have a law enforcement agency that's been
that durable. I mean, the FBI, for example, is only
about one hundred years old. So in the beginning, in
the first few decades. Really, when Stephen Austin first called

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the Rangers together in eighteen twenty two, they were authorized
only for you know, whatever urgent need was you know,
there was an attack on a village and they had
to come you know, gather enough for enough men to
deal with that, or there was the border crossings that
were illegal and they had to go seal off the
border whatever they could. It really wasn't until after the
Civil War that the state of Texas fully authorized a

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what they called the Frontier Battalion, which was the Texas Rangers.
And the other thing they did that was equally, if
not more important, is they budgeted for it. You know,
in the past, a lot of times Texas Rangers and
companies were just you know, dissolved because nobody's getting paid.
And it really wasn'tntil after the Civil War that they
budgeted so that they could have a Texas Rangers agency
that was always on call, always available, and these guys

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were getting paid. They became professional lawmen.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, it's kind of kind of right, the evolution of
the militia. I mean, you want to take care of
your neighborhood and your region of your state, and then
you formed a militia with your fellow farmers or people
who lived there, and you just handle law enforcement kind
of like a volunteer fire department. Then you went back
to your life. This is a full time job, I
guess by the time. Let is it Leander McNelly. Leander

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Leander McNelly And where did.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
He come from?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
And obviously the name of the book following to hell
mcneely's Texas Rangers in the Rise of Frontier Justice. Who
was this Leander mcnellly.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Well, he was originally his family was originally from Virginia
and he moved to Texas when he was still a
very young man. I think he was only eleven or twelve,
and he his brother had established a farm there and
so he was part of, you know, what was happening
a lot in the pre Civil War. People were coming
from elsewhere in the country to settle Texas because land
was cheap and there's a lot of it. And the

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McNelly family he was one of those people and he
joined when the Civil War broke out. He was only
seventeen years old. He enlisted LA A couple of years
later he was the captain of a scouting company. He
was this fearless guy that men just seemed to follow him.
That's part of the title of the book obviously if
they had to. And after the war he became a
farmer and part time law enforcement agents. But it was

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really in the mid eighteen seventies when he became a
full time ranger, a Texas Ranger captain, and started on
a bunch of adventures which are chronicled in the book,
including which you won't find in the textbooks of the
Invasion of Mexico only eighteen seventy five.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, of course you stumbled upon exactly what are want
to ask you for. I mean, there's if law enforcement
and these are authorized in some respect authorized agents of
the state are going into Mexico to recover stolen cattle
and get into gunplay, which, as you write about in
depth in the book, they did, and they killed a
lot of people to get the whatever was stolen or

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whatever bad guy's back into Texas. That had the potential
to start a war.

Speaker 9 (26:40):
It did.

Speaker 8 (26:41):
In fact, there's one part, and I don't want to
give too much away about this climactic moment of the book,
but the mcnellyan his rangers, and there's only like twenty
six of them. It's only got this huge force of
gunmen following him behind him. But at one point the
mcnelly's rangers are on the Mexican side of the Rio
Grand they won't leave, and orders come telegraphs from Washington,
d C. You could say, from President Elisius Grant himself

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saying get out of there, either surrender or get back
over here to the United States. And McNally says, no,
we're not leaving until our objective has meant, which is
we got to get the stolen cattleback. So yes, there
was a small herd of cows almost started through Mexican
American War.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, it sounds like there's a very very fine line
between vigilante justice and Texas Ranger justice. I mean you
I already suggested, you know what parameters they were operating under,
and apparently they were fairly loose and had a lot
of leeway and how they went about, you know, bringing
about justice in their mind. And I guess it really
was what was in their mind given under any given circumstance.

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Yes, and there's a word you used before evolution, and
that's really what happened that, you know, the early Texas
Rangers were sort of like militiamen. They formed or to
deal with an emergency. That those were elected offices at
a lot of discretion as to what they considered justice.
Because there was again, there was a very little look
in the way of our justice system to go by.
And the solution was that they eventually became professionals. They

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actually had to undergo training, they actually had to enforce
the law and not make it up as they went along.
So that's how when you look at Texas range of history,
all two hundred years of it, it really is a
mirror is the evolution of law enforcement and justice system
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
How did the Texas Rangers learn about the crimes? And
we had no internet then, and I can't remember what
year the telegraph was invented, But somehow, some way, in
a giant state like Texas, these twenty six thirty guys
had to find out who they were after or look at,
you know, find the bad guys. How did that information

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make it to them or did they just wander around
looking for crimes that.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Have been committed.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
Well many times it made its way to the state capital, Austin,
and they were ordered to go to a certain county,
to go to a certain city to look into something
that Austin had heard about. But mcilly in particular was
known for. One of the things he liked to do
is set up spy networks. He actually have his ranges
infiltrate or gangs, and he'd be tipped off if something

(29:03):
was about to happen. There's going to be a big
horse dealing operation, you know, there's going to be a
raid on this town. So a lot of times he
was prepared to intervene even before something happened. And that
was one of the particular idiosyncrasies of McNelly that he
liked to set up these spine networks.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
That is fantastic. Well, and considering the gun play they
were involved in and the obviously dangerous folks that they
were going after in a fairly lawless period of time
in our nation's history, follow me to hell. Did they
lose a lot of guys along the way?

Speaker 8 (29:35):
Well, they did. They There wasn't a lot of gun
play they did. Mcdelly's rangers I think during the time
that he was captain he only lost one man, which
is pretty remarkable to him. And one of the reasons
why is because he did train his men, and that's
not true of a lot of ranger captains of the day. Again,
they just got together as needed basis, But mcdelly kept

(29:55):
his guys together they underwent training when they were between missions.
They were not just sitting around telling stories on the
campfire doing some kind of blazing saddles kind of thing
you say they were. They were training. They were They're
practicing their shooting, they're practicing their riding, practicing this one
they needed, and I think that that ended up keeping
a lot of his men alive.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Well, and that's where funding comes in. If they're getting
paid for this, I guess there's going to be funding
for arms and ammo and the training that they engaged in,
because I'm guessing affordability was a real problem when it
came to firearms and ammunition back in those days.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that the state paid for ammunition,
but you had to bring your own horse and your
own gun. So if you showed up with a horse
and the gun, they would give you ammunition, but otherwise
you were on your own.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's like, well, in order to be hired as an engineer,
you must have an engineering degree. In order to be
a Texas ranger, you must have a firearm and a horse.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
That's great, otherwise stay home.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, I'm glad you brought up blazing Suttles, because the
minute you talked about the governors being made aware of
these crimes, immediately thought of Rock Ridge and the hiring
of the sheriff to deal with the problems there. Fantasiastic,
Tom Clay, And you write a terrific, terrific book, and
Lord do you know your Western history? And I will
recommend my listeners get over to fifty five kre sea

(31:07):
dot com to easily get a copy of your new book,
Follow Me to Hell mcnelly's Texas Rangers and the Rise
of Frontier Justice. It is always a real pleasure reading
what you write and talking with you about it. Tom,
You're always welcome on the program. And I have to
imagine you've probably got another one in the works right now.

Speaker 10 (31:22):
I do.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
There's one it will be out in the fall called
The Last Outlaws about the Dalton Gang.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
Follow Me to Hell first and then you'll see The
Last Outlaws out in November.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Seven.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Happy Friday to you, Brian Thomas. Pleased as always talk
book offers, and today's no different than that. I am
happy to welcome to the fifty five PC Morning Show
DV Chernobb. He's award winning writer of historical crime in fiction.
Deve novel Commissar out in twenty twenty one named a
finalist for the prestigious Hemiway International Book Award. He was
born in Olmsk, Russia, grew up in the Soviet Union

(31:56):
during the final close of the Cold War, before immigrating
in the United States nineteen ninety one. He built a
career in the high tech industry, which is important for
the other book we're going to talk about.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
It.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Decided to follow his long dream of writing his first novel,
that book on the Russian Revolution, Commissar, a novel of
civil war in Russia. And we're also going to be
talking about his other book, a tech related one with
some local connections, Severed Echoes.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
DV.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Chernoff, Welcome to the fifty five Kars Morning Show. It's
a pleasure to have you on.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Hey Brian, good morning, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
I grew up during the Cold War, and before we
dive into the books that we're going to talk about today,
I just wanted to know from your from the inside perspective.
As a as a citizen under the Soviet Union looking out,
we had the endless stream of propaganda related about the
inside of the Soviet Union breadlines. It's terrible. They can't

(32:48):
get blue jeans. They want freedom, they want liberty. What
was the inside the Soviet Union perspective of the United
States during that period of time, if you don't mind
going down this little cul de sac.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
No, absolutely, And you know, honestly, when when you're growing
up in any environment, you don't really question it, right,
it's not until later that you start getting some perspective
and get sort of this outside view of maybe things
shouldn't be this waying necessarily right. So, but you know,
as you said, in many ways, it was just like

(33:19):
growing up in the US at the time. You know,
a lot of propaganda. Of course, it was always you know,
the West, what's the West doing? You know, what, what
does Russia have to worry about? So, but you know,
Russia is you know, you got to realize too, it's
it's just a country with such a troubled past, you know,
and even before the Communists took over in nineteen seventeen.

(33:43):
And this is in part kind of what my first
novel you mentioned, Commissart dives and yeah, it dives into
is that period of Russian Civil War and kind of
that period of change and it's it's in some ways exciting.
You know, there's a lot of possibilities, a lot of ideas,
you know, because people were unhappy, you know, World War
One is going on, a lot of a lot of

(34:05):
things are happening economically, and two people and so uh,
there's a lot of excitement about what can we build
and then and then things, of course, you know, go
wrong at some point and the grand experiment that was
set up doesn't really work out. But growing up kind
of at the tail end of that experiment, you know,

(34:25):
you finally started to have some glimmers of hope, you know,
when Gorbachev came to power and and you know, the
wall came down in Berlin and there was really kind
of a warm up and relationships between US and Russia
and and then you know, it just it just disheartening
now to see that the country again kind of slipped

(34:46):
under this very authoritarian government that's found new ways to
hurt its people and and and people of Ukraine. It's
just they just it's just terrible.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
It is.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And you know, it's one of those you if you
don't study the mistakes of history, you're doing to repeat them.
Kamis are your first novel, but of the civil War
in Russia. It seems to me that at least some
parallels might be able to be drawn between the like,
for example, the French Revolution you had the aristocracy treating people,
you know, let them eat cake sort of attitude of

(35:18):
bad economic times, and the populis revolt against them. And
then of course there's the purges Soviet Union. Obviously the
czar wasn't really warm and friendly with their people. People
were had enough, they were isolated and ill treated. This
gave rise to the spark of Marxism, which obviously took over.

(35:39):
Is something to be Are there parallels between those two?
Just poor treatment is going to result in revolt, it seems,
is a history lesson.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Oh absolutely, I think. I think people can only take
so much, you know, only to a certain point. And
when you have you know, this long standing monarchy of
the Romanovs who ruled Russia for over three hundred years.
I mean they ruled over a massive empire. I think
at the time only the British Empire had larger territory,

(36:09):
and that was through colonies. Well, there's Russia had primarily
one contiguous land mass to rule over, so hugely disconnected,
you know, many many different people's nationalities, religions that kind
of fell under their control. And as you said, you know,
it was just too much and people were suffering. And

(36:30):
when Russia when bizarre, you know, pulled Russia to World
War One, and World War One lasted for years and years,
millions of casualties in Russia just kept throwing people at it, right,
they didn't have the technology really to make headway, but
they had plenty of people to keep throwing at it.
And so, you know, toward the end of the war,

(36:51):
you know, you look at nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen, they
were sending you know, kids sixteen seventeen year old on
trains to the European Front with no weapons. They were
just they had no rifles left. They said, you know,
go there, pick one up from the battlefield.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Fight and the horrors of trench warfare cannot be understated.
It's absolutely just awful with works of historical fiction like you, right,
I love these because you have truly historical concepts. It
worked within a fiction story, so you know, rather than
just read a heady tome on you know, on this
date happened, and you weave a great tale and one

(37:31):
of the things in Commisar before we get to your
your more tech books, Severed Echoes, you talk about the
little known history of the United States and British intervention
in the Russian Civil War between nineteen eighteen and twenty two.
I wasn't aware of that defeat turn off.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
It's it's crazy. Yeah, a lot of people are not.
And what actually happened is the Russian Civil War broke
out in nineteen eighteen, so after the revolution, Bolsheviks took over,
and then you have all these factions trying to gain control.
Some want monarchy back, others want anarchy literally, others want,
you know, different flavors of democracy and and so you

(38:13):
have this massive war breaking out, but we also have
a foreign intervention with hundreds of thousands of troops from
from Japan, from US, from Canada, from even Australia or England,
as you mentioned, France, and so you as actually sent
eleven thousand troops to Russia and they were there engaged,

(38:38):
sometimes in active confrontations with Russian militaries of various flavors
for a period of several years. They were American bases
established in Mormon's Canvladivostock and and you know four hundred
and twenty four US soldiers actually died on Russian land.

(38:58):
And again it's it's a very little known history.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
It is fifty seven years old, and I did not
know this, DV.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
I'm serious, don't feel.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Bad, man, it's it's it's it's buried pretty deep. And
I think I believe it's the only time in history
that American troops actually went directly had to head with
the Russian troops.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (39:22):
All the other of course during the Cold War, of
course it was all proxy wars.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Indeed, well, and we all know about proxy wars today.
D V Turnoff, author of Commissar, which is available on
my website fifty five krcy dot com, so people also
can get enlightened about that chapter in our history as
well as Russia's history. Let's pivot over to severed echoes
and Nick, is it sever's mystery? This is going to
be an arguing yeah, yeah, ongoing character. Then you've you
started the first of what will be a series of books.

(39:48):
Give my listeners a little insight about severed echoes because
this involves modern tech crime.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Absolutely a great connection for you tech Friday as well.
Oh yeah, it fits right in there. So Epar Echo
is a new series featuring Nick Severs. He's a big
city cop kind of decides to take a quiet life
and take a detective job in a small town police
department in Pine Lake, Colorado, And when a body of

(40:16):
a young woman is found, everything looks like a suicide,
except there is a recording, an accidental recording on her
digital voice assistant device. So think of kind of like Amazon,
Echo or Google. And so he begins this investigation and
kind of leads him down this high tech rabbit hole
with with with a lot of interesting things, you know,

(40:39):
from from personal data to AI to hacking of computers
and information security and things like that. And then in
addition to that, he suddenly has to deal with these
kind of rogue hacker group who decides to target him
and he has to sort of unravel the mystery of

(40:59):
his own past. So there's really two big themes here.
There's technology and then there's also psychology. You know, it
dives into things like how does our memory work? So
a lot of interesting things there.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, and since you had a career in the high
tech industry, you get all this stuff which makes it
such a wonderful thing to weave this, this this tale
of a fake murder into all of this really true
investigative resources and everything that we have to work with
in this modern theater. It's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
D V.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Churn Out, the author of Severed Echoes as well as Commas,
are both books dev are going to be on my
blog pages. I mentioned fifty five cars dot Com. I'll
encourage my listeners to get they certainly will enjoy them.
And as I always like to recommend, once you enjoy
a book, you really share the love. Let a friend
read it too and spread the word about the great
writing of d V. Churn offf my guests today, DV.
I'll look forward to the next in the edition after

(41:50):
Severed Echoes. We'll all enjoy reading both of these fabulous books,
and someday I'll be looking forward to talking about your
next book here on the fifty five Cars Morning Show.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Hey, thank you. Brian just went to mention real quick too.
Really happy that for Severed Echoes, the audio book was
actually recorded by Robert Oh.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
I'm so so.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I have that in my notes. I mentioned that three
times already this morning. He's a friend of the entire community.
Rob Oh, I'm friends with Rob. We go out to
dinner with his wife, and he's just just an absolutely
wonderful human being and the best air show announcer in
the country. He does recorded books. When you get a
book on tape, Rob Ryder is going to be reading
Severed Echoes, so go ahead and get the audio edition

(42:30):
or the hardbound edition.

Speaker 11 (42:31):
DV.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Churn Off, Thanks for reminding me about that. Rob's probably
listening right now. It's about time, Brian.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Take care of Thanks you for having me.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Happy to best of health and love to you and
your family. Seven fifty Welcome to the Fify five KRC
Morning Show. Doctor Stephen Solloway got an undergraduate study from
Stonybrook University, attending the American University of the Caribbean School
of Medicine, Montserrat, British West Indies, London, England, Boston, m A.
And Omaha, Nebraska, with postgraduate training in Mercy Catholic Medical Center.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
Let's see here.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
He's got a very very very extensive background. Described as
one of the America's top rheumatologist and former appointing to
Donald Trump's President's Council on Sports, Fitness and Nutrition, he
is going to expose for us today as he does
in his book. We're getting a little insight into his
book Medical Politics, How to Protect Yourself from bad doctors,
insurance companies, in big government. Welcome to the program, doctor Soloway.

(43:25):
It's good to have you on today.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
Oh, thank you, good morning, and thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
All right, I have to ask you this just by
way of background, I litigation attorney for sixteen years, eight
of which I worked in the litigation department at one
of the biggest medical insurance companies, Anthem. So I have
a familiarity with the inside working of medical insurance companies.
But it's never answered the question to me. And I
know it's a broad question. You break it down over

(43:50):
and over in the book, but why in the hell
is medical care so expensive?

Speaker 7 (43:57):
There's a lot of reasons that cost is expensive, and
it starts with government overreach. Everything starts with the government overreach.
Everything starts with government overreach. They want to raise taxes,
They create fake positions, they create fake work, they create
taxes to cover everything. So what happens today is the

(44:19):
government will pass out money to a hospital system to
buy up all the practices and to buy up the
practices will eliminate the need to audit a thousand, I'm sorry,
a million doctors, only a thousand practices or a thousand hospitals.
So it's about making the government have an easier job
at stealing your money and watching you and controlling what

(44:40):
you do. So I'd like to say that the twitters
of the world are proxy to filter your free speech. Well,
the private payers, like the anthems of the world, are
filtered to take away your medical care. And the government
is behind all of the ins and outs of why

(45:04):
prices are going up to cover internal costs so that
they can spy on the doctor, which makes the doctor
crawl into a hole, not be innovative, become a sheep.
And when you're a sheep, you don't give good care.
And when you don't give good care, the quality goes down,
and hospital waiting rooms get filled up, and people don't

(45:28):
get attention, and people are worried about putting data in
computers and typing on computers, and they're not being taught
how to examine or talk to people, and everything spirals
out of control. But it all goes back to big government,
goes back to the woke ideology that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
My personal physician usually listens I think he used to
listen I don't know if he still does to the
fifty five KRC Morning show. And he would text me
every once in a while. But one of the things
that he told me, because he now has gone to
a full concierge practice, the paperwork is insane. He said,
I sit at this computer and I don't do anything
but enter records and enter dated. There was a while,

(46:06):
Doctor Solomon, where I protested the idea of him putting
all this in computerizing. I said, just keep a paper file.
I don't want my information computerized.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
I said.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
The main reason why is you also offer services for
Medicare Medicaid people, and by virtue of that connection, the
federal government and the powers that be have access to
all of your patient's medical records. Am I correct on
that conclusion, doctor Soloway? Even though I'm not a Medicare,
Medicaid federal government insured person, they still could look at

(46:35):
my records.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Not only are you correct, they do look at your records,
and they do extrapolate data about everybody, not just the
ones that they are allegedly covering, the insurance or the
live for so.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
On.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
What you just said. What happens is when a person
is on Medicare, their secondary insurance, which again I'm just
using anthems since you've broke it up before, but it
could be any private payer they take over as an HMO.
So Medicare isn't what it used to be. Not that
I'm for a socialized system, because we have one now

(47:16):
and it's horrible. And what you said about paperwork and
your family doctor having to get out of it to
be concierge, that's all true. But when seniors hit sixty
five and they go on Medicare, they no longer can
pick and choose their doctor because the secondary insurance, which
is the private payer that covers the twenty percent, the
part B or the medi gap. You know, this is

(47:39):
a totalitarian medicine. This is not just g I'll pay
my twenty percent and move along. This is you get
your doctor is going to get the Medicare pay rate.
But the decision for if your prescription or test is
allowed has nothing to do with Medicare. It has all
to do with the private payer, and the government allows

(47:59):
them to make whatever rules they want. So when they're auditing,
looking or snooping around in the Medicare chart. All the
Medicare people, they have other insurances. So if you're looking
at the Medicare and Anthem patients, well you might as
well look at the Anthem patients too and see what's
going on with them. And just like, just like you
don't want to get an IRIS scan because you don't

(48:20):
want them to have your DNA on file or whatever,
you don't want them to have your private health records
known either. I mean many people have this same feeling
as you do. And the problem is, fifteen years ago,
with the Affordable Care Act, these computers became a law.
And as you said to your doctor, I don't want
my stuff on paper charts, and he told you correctly, Well,

(48:42):
you know, if I use paper charts, I'm going to
get in trouble with the government. It's true. He'll be
convicted of fraud or accused or something terrible.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, it's interesting he didn't say he get in trouble
with the government. He said basically, it came down he
get in trouble with the healthcare system that own his
practice because they're the ones that mandated everything to be electronic.
And p sume that is because the federal government told them.
They must be put in electronic form.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
That's correct. Yes, So his situation is one step different.
The situation that he was in some big system came
along with the government money bought his practice, and then
he became an employee instead of an entrepreneur exactly. And
this is a big problem. You can't take away thinking
in a thinking man's world. And that's what the governments

(49:26):
that are too large do. They take away your thinking,
and they put you in a corner, and they give
you rules, and they tell you you have fifteen minutes
with a patient and not sixteen. And if you go
over by a minute, and if the thing isn't documented
correctly the medical record, then you're going to be penalized
because the being counter who's looking to look for certain

(49:47):
keywords to justify Medicare's payment to that insurance company, if
you don't fulfill all the criteria. Forget the patient, they
don't count, but the criteria or the check the boxes,
then they're not going to get paid. And if they
don't get paid, it's a trickle down effect. So the
government controls the money. The government tells the insurance companies,
you know you're in charge, but we're really in charge,

(50:09):
and yeah, you're going to buy up all these doctors
and they're going to follow the rules, otherwise they're not
going to be employed.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So my doctor oll in a regular scenario under those circumstances.
Since again it's con Scierre's practice, they're no longer a diagnostician.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
They're basically.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I like to say, the MBA practice of medicine's almost
like a four next sloop or and if then statement
they get a chart to if this happened, then do this,
and they don't have any out of the box thinking
to probably provide you with better medical care.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
I put in the book that in twenty five to
fifty years the doctor's going to be replaced with a kiosk. Yep,
it's happening now. Unless you know, in plastic surgery, you
don't have to worry about this because people are going
with money and the guy's going to spend all day,
you know, doing whatever plastic surgery. But in normal good health,
nobody cares anymore. And I say nobody again, I start

(50:57):
with the government, go down to the CEO of the
private company and take over of all the practices.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well, that's a frightening reality. And then you can back
what you said in your conclusions very clearly up with
the dumbing down of medical schools. They're not requiring any
specific academic standards or achievements in order to allow people
to get into medical school, which just scares the living
hell out of me.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Doctor soloin no wealth.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
System, the health system or I'm the chairman of rheumatology
and that covers four hospitals. The medicine residents are not
required to rotate through rheumatology at all during their three years.
So how much worse can it get? They're not even
exposed to all the fields that are within their field.
You know, it's terrible.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
So what do they do get?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I mean, they have it written down by some government
entity what you should do if these certain symptoms are presented,
and they just do that, or they get on Google
to figure out why these symptoms are present in their patient.
I mean, I don't understand how you can become a
doctor without having some exposure to that very important field.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
If you ask me this question thirty years ago, I'd
say you're out of your mind for even asking the question.
But now now it's so real that it's insane, and
I don't understand it myself. I can just tell you
that the people that are training today, that are coming
out today or tomorrow, they know next to nothing. This
is no lie. I work with them. I see them
with hospitals. I you know, share patients, you know from

(52:17):
different illnesses and different doctors and whatnot. And the people
that are in practice twenty five thirty years like me,
we all speak the same language. The other people they
click the boxes and they say, Okay, it's a fever,
send it to the infection guy, it's it's swollen, send
it to that guy, it's this, send it there. They
don't know what they're doing. And then what happens is

(52:38):
when these people are sending it everywhere, then all of
a sudden, that's when the insurance comes in and denies everything.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
See not medically necessary.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
You got it, not medically necessary. And the person who
deems it not medically necessary is never in the healthcare field.
They only work for a healthcare company, but they don't
have any medical background whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, that's also where the pharmaceuticals come any companies come in,
because I'm thinking of for example, I used commercials for
a company that did or a service that provided bioidentical
hormone replacement therapy, which are really good for curing a
lot of problems like high cholesterol. But the pharmaceutical companies
hate it because you can't patent something that exists in nature,

(53:18):
so they steer doctors away from something that might be
quite effective for that particular problem, as well as others,
in favor of putting them on something like lipator for
their entire life, which probably has its own side effects,
which I'm thinking maybe dementia is included in there. That's
just my conclusion. But ivermectin was another one. Donald Trump
mentioned the word ivermecnim. It's no longer patented, it's a

(53:38):
generic now. It could help solve people's problems and it
has been proven to do so with COVID nineteen in
terms of recovery. That was foreboden. I mean even mentioning it.
That you were ridiculed for thinking it was a possibility.
But that's what a diagnostician does.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
That's correct. Diagnostician needs to think outside the box and
needs to understand that drugs are available through the FDA
only for what they were studied for. There's not enough
money to go around to study it. For five hundred problems.
You study it for the most profitable, and then after

(54:13):
the most profitable, you find out all the things that
can do that are great in other conditions. And when
you want to use it for the other conditions, you're
getting feedback saying, no, you can't use it. It's not
approved for that awfully right right. It may not be approved,
but it is the standard of care is nothing better.
So you see, depending on depending on, you know, kind
of like with the irs. You know, if you live

(54:34):
across the street from you're getting auto insurance, and some
people will say, oh, you know, I drive four hundred
miles to go to work for my taxes, but I
don't drive to work. I leave the car in the garage.
When it comes to my income tax I'm sorry for
the auto insurance company. So it's all a spin on words.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's sure as the name of the book Medical Politics,
How to Protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies in
big government. Real quick here, I know you can't get
know the wise and wareforce because everybody's going to want
to read the book and get more information. But you
mentioned the bad doctors. Obviously, the scenario is presenting itself
it's only going to get worse. Based upon what you
know and what we all now know that how do
you protect yourself from a bad doctor? How do you
find a good doctor?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Then you ask your friends and family and you find
somebody self employed, because if you gets stuck within the system,
you're going to be referred within the system for the
rest of your life and you're going to become an
annuity for the system. You don't want to be an
annuity for a system. You don't want to go to
a place with five hundred doctors. You want to go
to a place that's one or two doctors or three doctors,
and that's it, and you want to sit down and

(55:35):
be able to talk to them.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
There you have it.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Which, honestly, doctor, you've proven the point about a concierge's practice.
They don't deal with the federal government. They're free to
diagnose you and quite often, and this has been my experience,
they're readily accessible. Last time I got sick, I texted him,
I told him I had an infection. I got a
prescription for antibiotics without even able to go in. It
was like God was the easiest thing ever.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
So so the only problem with concierge medicine is if
Scott forbid, you need to go to the hospital and
they run the bill up to a million dollars, you
better have catastrophic insurance just for that. But if you
have that, then yes, that's the better way to go today.
And I do hope the pendulum swings back one day
and that there's an uprising and doctors stopped taking insurances altogether,

(56:20):
and by doing that it'll force the system to reverse.
And we do have political shifting, and we do have
all kinds of shifting, so I can only hope that
this pendulum too will shift, hopefully in my lifetime. But
things I always say, I'm happy, I'm not at the
beginning of my career right now, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You sound like someone is already in retirement and not
concerned about the collapse of Social Security because they're going
to be dead before it collapses. It's not my problem,
doctor Steven Saloway. I have wonderful conversation. Thank you for
writing this book so we can apply your principles and
what we learn from it to fighting back medical politics.
How to protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies, a
big government doctor. It's on my website at fifty five

(57:02):
KRC dot com so my listeners can easily get a
copy of it.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
Yeah, I was going to say signed copies at at
medicine book dot net.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Okay, we can do it that way as well. Medicine
book dot net for a sign one my relab website
for any copy and be sure and share it with
your friends. Spread the knowledge, Doctor Soloway, It's been a
real pleasure joining me today. I am pleased. Welcome to
the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Senior Master Sergeant retired
Israel DT del Toro Junior. By the way a background,
he served in the United States Air Force in Afghanistan
as a special warfare operator severely injured in action in

(57:32):
two thousand and five. We'll talk about his recovery and
his advocacy on behalf of his fellow wounded warriors, but
he was instrumental in the creation of the Air Force
Wounded Warrior program. In February twenty ten, my guest was
the first one hundred percent disabled airman to re enlist
in the Air Force. He's also the recipient of Purple Heart,
Bronze Star, and the Pat Tilman Award for service. Welcome

(57:54):
to the program DT. It is a distinct pleasure to
have you. Want to let me start by thanking you
for your service to our country and your continued service
to your fellow veterans.

Speaker 11 (58:04):
Thank you, thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
It is my pleasure. Indeed the name of the book,
and it's a best seller. Congratulations on being best seller.
I checked Amazon right before the program started. A Patriots promise,
protecting my brothers, fighting for my life and keeping my word.
Let us start with the book's titled a Patriots Promise.
My understanding is that came as a consequence of a
promise you made to your late father when you were

(58:28):
a young man.

Speaker 11 (58:30):
Yeah. So when I was twelve years old, my dad
on January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, had called a
home because he had he was in Mexico because he
had health problems with his lungs, so went out there
to even get help. And I was the last one
to speak to him, and the last thing he told
me he was, you know, promise me they'll take care

(58:53):
of his sisters and your family. And you know, for
a twelve year old kids like okay whatever, And it
makes me it again. So I say it, you know,
not knowing that the next day he was going to
be gone. So I knew that the tide of the book.
I wanted to promise and had to have to have
the order to promise because that promise shaped my path

(59:16):
and who I was going to become. And I remember,
I'm trying to use hero a hero's problems.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
I'm like, you know, if there.

Speaker 11 (59:24):
Was someone writing my book about me, Yeah, but I'm
doing it.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I heard, yeah, yeah, little little spushy little self deprecation
never hurt anybody, My friend, a patriots problem, you will
obviously demonstrably a patriot you and and I guess your
father when you said, you know, take care of your
brothers and sisters, you were talking about he was talking
about your siblings, correct.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
You took it to the next level though, because when
you joined America's military and listened to the Air Force,
you inherited a huge family of additional brothers and sisters.

Speaker 11 (59:59):
I did that promise, like I said, at first, started
with my brother's DISTERSI my mom, and has now evolved
to what it is now. Where anyone out there that
feels like they don't have a voice, there there or
needs help. They're my family, and I try and step
up and continue honoring that promise.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
To my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Well, and you have done it, just more so than
I think anybody else I've ever talked to. Considering the
extent of your injuries, tell my listeners what happened in
Afghanistan when you were serving that led you to receiving,
of course the purple Heart, but also that inspired you
to move forward and rehabilitate your life and continue to
be this wonderful, wonderful inspiration.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Thank you. Sure.

Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
So.

Speaker 11 (01:00:44):
On December fourth, two thousand and five, I was I
had a mission with my Scout team and we were
coming back and we'd lead vehicle and we crossed this
creek and no more than two hundred meters after creek
do I feel an intense heatlast time my left sign.
I was like, holy crap, we just got hit, and you.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
Know, I get out of the truck.

Speaker 11 (01:01:05):
But when I got out of the truck, I was
on fire from at the toe, and so I turned
and try to run to the creek, but the flames
over overtook me and I collapsed and I'm laying.

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
There and this is it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
As I broke my promise to my family, and I
always come back. I broke my promise to my son
that I will never let him grow up without his
dad like I did. But most importantly, I'm going to
break my promise to my dad that I always take
care of my family. But then one of my teammates
tells me up and we both jumped in the creek
and the sound that I heard was the same sound

(01:01:40):
you hear when you put a hot hand in cold water,
but it was instead of a pan, it was my body.
But you know, my missions didn't stop there because there
was a plan ambush. As soon as we got hit.
The second half of the guys that were picking up
starting to get hit with the crossway and now they're
calling back. It's like where's Gunslinger, which was my call sign.

(01:02:01):
I was like, we need close air support because I'm
the guy that causing the air strikes. You know, Yeah,
I was deployed, you know, air Force, and those guys
were Army. Well, when we're downrange, it doesn't matter Army, Navy, Marines,
air Force. We're all brothers in arms. We have each
other's back, and they're my family. So again I had
an honor my dad's promise, and I had to figure

(01:02:24):
out how to take care of my family because my
raidos were destroyed. So luckily one of the other Scout
members had a radio and I just told him, get
on this frequency, repeat everything I say so we can
get some aircraft in here, get some help. And by
the time the last transmission went out, I started getting scared,
like I'm never be the one that says, you know,

(01:02:47):
I wasn't scared, you know, I was like ramble nerves
of steel. Once that adrenaline went down, I started getting scared.
I was asking where's the where's the metabac because I
was having a heart time breathing and I just wanted
to sleep. And I remember the medics saying trying to

(01:03:08):
keep me up because he knew if he let me
fall asleep, I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Wake up again.

Speaker 11 (01:03:12):
And so he started using my son to keep me awake.
Because I like to say we all have a spark,
which is ironic. Here's a burn guy now talking about
that we all have a spark, but we do. We
have a spark that drives us and that motivates it
keeps us going. And for me, it was my son
and used that to keep me awake till the helicopter came,

(01:03:35):
and I remember they wanted to call me yet, and
I was like, oh, hell no, I walked into this fight.
I'm going to walk out, and I get on the helicopter.
They find me to our foreign operating base. They take
him to the little field hospital, the doctor cutting off
my watch, telling me I'm going to be okay. That
was December fourth oh five and I wake up March.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Of o six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Well, I was going to elaborate slightly. You didn't delve
into the extent of your injuries. Third degree burns over
eighty percent of your body. And also, as I'm reading,
you died nearly three times.

Speaker 11 (01:04:15):
Yes, surday, you know when I was in a coma.
You know, like I said, I had three burns on
eighty percent of my body, almost at three times and
given a fifteen percent chance to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And also the idea that if you did survive, which
clearly you did, your doctors told you would have a
respirator for the rest of your life and never walk again.
You proved them all wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I did.

Speaker 11 (01:04:42):
It's very unique waking up and them telling you let
it happened. Then they're telling you what your life's going
to be. And you know, I never accepted what people
said my life's going to be. I was not going
to let this injury define me. I was going to
define it. And I want to show my son that
dad was not going to give up. I wasn't gonna

(01:05:02):
want it. I want to be one of those people
that sit in a chair, stare out and curse the world.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Yes, why me?

Speaker 11 (01:05:10):
I was like, I'm not teaching my three year old
son at the time anything, And I really wanted to
show those that's little bees.

Speaker 7 (01:05:17):
I left that bomb that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:18):
They weren't going to ruin my life.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
I love that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:20):
And two months after, you know, they gave me that
grim diagnosi. You know, I left that hospital walking and
breathing my own.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
And this promise, this original promise to your dad, extended
to your children. Obviously, your children and the thought about
staying alive for them got you through all of this,
all through the rehabilitation you went through, and I'm sure
it was extensive, and then to the rest of your
service members by being such a strong, you know, willed
individual and someone who's gonna to meet the challenges you

(01:05:52):
were facing and live up to your promises. That obviously
went a long way. You were the one that helped
created the Air Force Wounded Warrior program. H And also,
and I got to ask you about this because you know,
we're almost at a time. You were the first one
hundred percent disabled veteran to re enlist in the Air Force.
What does it mean to be one hundred percent disabled?
Because honestly, sir, you don't sound like a disabled individual

(01:06:15):
talking on the phone.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
Well, you know, people, when I was walking on my
recovery view, I was like, do you be able to do?
I was like, I want to continue, I want to
still served, And like why, I was like, you can
make a lot of money, you know, as in the
civilian world as a public speaker, which you're right, some
public speakers make like six fingers for forty five minutes
to an hour speech, you know, not saying I'm there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
You know, I get it.

Speaker 11 (01:06:41):
Yeah, But I was like, there's there's so many people
out there and make so much money and hate their job.
So why am I going to give up a job
that I love. I love serving my country, I love
being the Air Force, I love being an operator, So
why am I going to give that for a couple
of bucks? And yeah, a five years. But yeah, in

(01:07:02):
February of to Dunton, that's when I became the first
one hundred percent disabled to enlist.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
That is amazing, And in what capacity are you serving now?

Speaker 11 (01:07:11):
So I when I went back in for five years,
I was an instructor. As much as I wanted to
be an operator, to be out down range, I couldn't
unless we become like Star Wars and I get a
cool like Luke Skywalker. Hen I used that Jedi Minjergun
people were not there, but I knew I can instruct.
So I did that for five years, and then I

(01:07:32):
started excelling in para sports. Where and I went. The
pcasked me the Colorado Springs to the Olympic Training Center,
train there for the Paralympics. Then after that, in twenty seventeen,
I went to the Air Force Academy, talked of that's
how to skydive and I retired August twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That is truly amazing. My guest today Israel DT del Toro, Junior,
return hired from the America's military only to re enlists error.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
For Senior Masters Sergeant.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
The Inspirational Book A Patriot's Promise protecting my brothers, protecting
my life and keeping my words. You know, And I'm
talking to my listeners now, DT. You think you got
a bad Listen to what this man went through. Listen
to the challenges and the hurdles he overcame, and the
commitment to continue to serve God Bless you, sir. It
has been a distinct pleasure. Keep up the great work.

(01:08:27):
My listeners are going to buy your book and they're
going to share it with their friends and also become inspired.
And next time they're starting to feel sorry for themselves,
they can remember you, DT.

Speaker 11 (01:08:37):
Thank you, Thank you, sir, Thank you for having me
on here, and thank you for letting me speak about
you know, pretty much a twelve year old kid just
trying to honor his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
What an amazing story, truly inspirational. Thank you, sir for
your time and for writing the book, and keep up
the great work. Local author Rick Pender he's returning here
to the fifty five KRSE morning shows. A Cincinnati historian, journalist, author,
and tour guide. We're gonna get a little insight into that.
He moved to Southwest Ohio back in nineteen eighty. He's
been here ever since. He wrote a book and we've
talked about this one before, one hundred Things to Do

(01:09:07):
in Cincinnati Before You Die. And he has a second
issue in a doubt edition of that out. First one
was published in twenty sixteen and then I think it
was twenty or twenty nineteen or twenty twenty put another
one out so you can get that one as well.
And I last Joe put a link of it on
it today. But we're going to talk today about his
new book, Oldest Cincinnati. Rick Pender, Welcome back to the
fifty five Krsey Morning Show. Hope you're well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Thanks so much, Brian, it's great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah, you moved in I don't know how old you are,
but you moved here to from northeast Ohio back in
nineteen eighty. As I mentioned there in the intro. You know,
I lived here my whole life until I moved to
Chicago back after law school in nineteen ninety And when
we moved back in ninety eight to Cincinnati, it was
only at that time did I really wake up just

(01:09:54):
how great we've got it here in spite of we
have troubles like every city, but what an amazing city.
Actually go to events you can afford to go. There
are tickets available to things that you want to go to,
and loads and loads of history and we're just blessed
to be here. And I'm sure you feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
That's for sure. That's very much what inspired this book.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
I did those books called A Hundred Things to Do
in Cincinnati. In fact, I have a third edition coming
out next month. So the pandemic changed a lot of
stuff that I had in the second edition, so it
was time to update that and that'll be out next month.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Well, Rick, you'll have to come back on the fifty
five care seemore you should talk about the new edition
on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I'd be happy to do that.

Speaker 12 (01:10:40):
But let me tell you it was in part doing
those books and also living in a couple of historic
neighborhoods here in town that really lit my fuse on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Finding out more about our history.

Speaker 12 (01:10:53):
And have had so many of the things that we
have here that are the oldest things in town that
are still around, some of which were some of the
first things in the US. A few of them were
first things, and you know this part of the world.
So it was great fun to put this book together
and it was my it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Was my pandemic project.

Speaker 12 (01:11:13):
Most of twenty twenty I spent researching and getting this
book pulled together.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Well, I tell you what I pivoting to your being
a tour guide. One of the neat things about Over
the Rhine. Of course, we talked to Heinrich Toltzmann Hair
Toltzman a lot on our German history specifically, but it's
the beer history there. I did the beer tour and
got to go in the old caves down below the
city streets and just absolutely fascinating. And since we are

(01:11:41):
currently going through almost what is legitimately a beer renaissance,
kind of turning back to where we were in Over
the Rhine with a beer a micro brewery at every corner.
But some really neat historic things in Over the Rhine,
that's for sure.

Speaker 12 (01:11:58):
And you know, a lot of those places where beer
is being brewed now in Over the Rhine are places
where it was brewed century and a half ago, so
there is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
That history there.

Speaker 12 (01:12:11):
I'm on the board of the Friends of Music Hall
and we've started doing occasional beer tours at music Hall.
We do it with the Rheinegeist folks and people get
to nose around and see some of the interesting insides
of music hall that was built back in the mid
to late nineteenth century. And so yeah, and beer in

(01:12:33):
music hall sort of go hand in hand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Will you anticipated where I was going with that one,
because I was going to pivot over to your the
since a May festival, which the German immigrants established, was
what ultimately resulted in the building of music halls, I
understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
They were performing originally in the very early eighteen seventies
in a wooden building that had a kind of a
rickety roof on it, and during one of the first
May festivals there was a thunderstorm. It was so loud
that it drowned out the chorus. So a man named
Reuben Springer was there and he said, all right, we
got to do a better job with this, and he

(01:13:10):
put up five hundred thousand dollars, which was a lot
of money in the eighteen seventies, and said that if
the city would raise some money to match some of that,
then he would be able to help fund a new
music hall. And that's really where it all got started.
Music Hall opened up in eighteen seventy eight. Of course,
we did a big, beautiful renovation of it about five

(01:13:32):
years ago, but it's still a wonderful historic place to visit.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
It sure is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And Dayton may claim that the birthplace of aviation, but
we here in the Greater Cincinnati area are the birthplace
of American astronomy.

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
That's right, that's right. Our observatory really started life up
on top of Mount Adams's was an hect it's named
for John Quincy Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Mount Adams is.

Speaker 12 (01:13:59):
Because he came here to dedicate the observatory in the
first telescope. But after about thirty years there in Mount
Adams in the nineteenth century, with coal burning and all
of that sort of thing, there was so much smog
around downtown that it wasn't very very good for observing
the night sky. So at that point they said we're

(01:14:21):
going to move out to the suburbs. They went out
to Mount Lookout. Of course wasn't out then because didn't
have an observatory. But in eighteen seventy five the observatory
that we all know and love out there on Observatory
Avenue started. That's got one of the oldest telescopes in
the United States, and it was really the first public

(01:14:43):
observatory in the western hemisphere, so you know, it has
a great history. The other interesting thing about that is
that the fellow who was the first the first astronomer there,
I mean in Cleveland, started collecting weather information and eventually

(01:15:04):
he went to Washington, d c. And started the US
Weather Service. So again another really fascinating piece of history
that comes right out of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
The first meteorologist came from Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
And you mentioned that the telescope it's still in operation.
It was, it's from eighteen forty three, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I mean, it's a it's a classic.

Speaker 12 (01:15:26):
It's not, you know, not the power that some of
our current telescopes are. No, but it's a kick that
it's still there and still works. And you know, they've
got a couple of nights a week when the sky
is clear and folks can drop by.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
And take a look at the moon or some of
the planets.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
That is so cool. Rick Pender, you would I have
to ask you. Since the book name of the book
is Oldest Cincinnati, and my listeners can get a copy
of it at fifty five care sea dot com. Joe's
going to update the blog page to put a link
there and we'll get the information about your book signing,
which is coming up to what's the oldest thing that
you have in your book? I have to asked that
I don't want to be a spoiler on this rick,
but we well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Know that's all right.

Speaker 12 (01:16:04):
The oldest thing that I talk about are some highways
in northern Kentucky. Now that may not make sense, but
let me explain. There used to be buffalo that roamed
on the plains in central Ohio, and as the winter
weather came upon them, they migrated south, sort of like
our birds do today. They came down this way, they

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crossed the river where the Licking and the Ohio meet
because it got very shallow that time of year, and
then they pounded their way on down into Kentucky and
created what we call today buffalo roads. And many of
those are the highways that are still there. Dixie Highway
is one of those roads. You know, that's US twenty seven,

(01:16:48):
So you know there are all these pathways through northern
Kentucky that those buffalo made. I like to say they
were our first traffic engineers. And that was about ten
thousand years ago that that was happening. That's the oldest
that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
In the book.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Well, and I want to ask you, obviously subjective, everybody's
got their own favorite thing, but what's your favorite place?
That the place that you never get tired of? For me, like,
for example, Crone Conservatory has a warm place in my heart.
My parents took me there. My mom took me there
when I was a little kid. It always fascinated me,
you know, the plans and the way it just feels
when you're in walking around. So I could go there

(01:17:24):
probably every day of the week and never get tired
of it. Is there something in your book or books
that you could gravitate to and feel that way about?

Speaker 13 (01:17:31):
Specifically, Rick, I'll tell you I live right in downtown
Cincinnati in a condo on the banks of the Ohio River,
and I can look out my window and see the
Suspension Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, I mean that's it, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:17:45):
I mean everybody sees it, knows it. But it has
a great history and it is something that I like
to think of as it really is the what part
of what binds northern Kentucky and Cincinnati together. And we've
got lots of shared His Street between between those areas,
but that it is a beautiful piece of architecture. It

(01:18:06):
is great has great history. You know, it was built.
When it was originally built, it was also a foot
bridge and a carriage bridge, and people paid a couple
of pennies to walk across it. When it opened in
eighteen sixty six, a couple like more than one hundred
thousand people walked across it in the first couple of
days that it was open. So if the biggest traction

(01:18:27):
then and it still.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Is today, and it is beautiful, there's no question about it.
You're going to do a book signing tonight. Tell my
listeners the details on that one, because I know you're
going to have a lot of people that want to
get a copy of Oldest Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yeah. Thanks. I'm going to be at the Reading Library.

Speaker 12 (01:18:43):
It's at eighty seven forty Reading Road at six thirty
this evening, and I've picked out about fifteen things from
my book. There are there are ninety items pulled together
in this book, but I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
To talk about fifteen or so of them.

Speaker 12 (01:18:58):
I'll talk for thirty five forty minutes and then be
happy to answer questions, and I'll have books there if
people are interested.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
In buying them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Rick Pender, local author his latest book, Oldest Cincinnati. We'll
have Rick back on when he gets this third edition
of Wondering Things to Do in Cincinnati Before you Die. Rick,
always a pleasure keep writing the good stuff about the
city that we both love and listeners get under the
Reading Branch library. This evening six thirty, Joe Streckel will
put all the information on my blog page, Rick, so
they can easily go to fifty five Caresee dot com

(01:19:27):
and get that as well as a copy of your book.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That's great, Thanks so much, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
You for documenting Cincinnati's glorious history. Rick Pender will have
you on again real soon. The return of here Don
Heinrich Toltzman, Are I like to joke Resident German expert
and historian on things German? Don Toltsman, welcome back to
the fifty five Carceme morning showing a very happy new
year to you, my.

Speaker 14 (01:19:48):
Friend Guten Morgan, Guten Morgan and Brian. It was really
good to talk to you, and I want to wish
you a happy new year and I hope we can
get together at a German festival this year and enjoy
some good German beer together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Is there any doubt in your mind that that's going
to happen to come on. Man, I'm already looking forward
to I got my notice the other day about shoots Infest.
They said, keep the date open. Here's the shoots Infest date.
I can't say it off the top of my head
because I got to remember it, but I know that
one's coming and I always enjoy that. And of course
all the spring fall and winter celebrations, the Christmas celebration,

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everything with the German clubs. It's just it is a
great time. They are a great group of people.

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
They are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
And so you got a second edition of your book.
It's called The Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide to Historic Sites,
People and Places, second edition by my guest Harr Toltzman.
What's different about this? First off, when did the first
edition come out? I know it's been published for a while.
And what prompted you to do the second.

Speaker 14 (01:20:43):
Well, it came out. First edition came out in twenty seventeen,
and the reason it came out was that was one
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Robling Suspension Bridge and
there was a Robling Fest that we had here in Coverington.
It was sponsored by the Covington Cincinnati Suspension Bridge Committee

(01:21:06):
of which I'm a historian, So I brought out that
book for that occasion, and we had a big event
and celebration at that time, and as a matter of fact,
Chris Robling, a great great grandson of John Robling, was here,
so we've got a chance to meet him. And since
that time, I continue to do research on Robling and

(01:21:32):
the Bridge and collected a lot more information and really
double the size of the first edition. So I thought
it'd be a good idea to bring out this this
new edition because I, you know, had collected so much.
And also I responded to so many questions that I

(01:21:54):
get about Robling in the Bridge, and so I wanted
to respond to them. And I should say too that
much of what has been written about Robling understandably focuses
on the Brooklyn Bridge, not our bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:22:13):
And also what has written been written about him is
mostly based on second hand sources rather than people who
knew him personally. And what I tried to do is
to get to want to I want to get the sources,
uh or find one of somebody who knew him. And

(01:22:35):
also I did research in local archives such as the
Cincinnati History Library at the Union Terminal, but the one
archive that was especially important for me is that was
the Robling Collection, which is at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
in New York. And this is this is the collection

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of Roebling's own records of his bridges, of his notes,
his plans, diaries, and so on. So what I put
together here in the second edition really is it's a
gold mine of information about our bridge and Robley. It's
like an Encyclopedia handbook about Roby and the bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
I guess I'm always wildly curious when you think about
the technology that existed when this bridge opened in eighteen
sixty seven, and that was the bridge formal opening and
celebration day, So it took a while to build this,
and you probably know exactly how long it did. But
getting those footings in a moving river to start a bridge,
and I just I'm not an engineer, so I don't

(01:23:45):
get it. It's like the peace of God. But doing
it now with modern technology, I imagine, is a damn
sight easier than doing it back in the eighteen hundreds.
I guess he was a trained engineer, and how did
he learn how to build bridges?

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Generally?

Speaker 14 (01:23:59):
Well, he has studied engineering in Berlin at a polytechnical institute.
There he had studied engineering, and when he came here,
he moved to a town near Pittsburgh, and he started
working with road construction aqueducts, and then he got into

(01:24:20):
bridge building, and by the time he had gotten to
our area, he had already constructed a number of aqueducts
and bridges. And one thing is interesting that he spent
more time in our area than in any other area
working on the bridge. He first came here in eighteen

(01:24:42):
forty six to survey the area and his first proposal
was for one tower in the middle of the river,
and nobody liked it and that was rejected. So he
was back then in eighteen fifty six with the current
plan for Tutaw and he started working in eighteen fifty six,

(01:25:03):
but because of a financial panic, the work was halted,
so he came back in eighteen sixty three. Then the
bridge was dedicated finally in eighteen sixty seven. So over
a period of twenty years, Roebling had been in our area,
which was much more than any other area. So it's

(01:25:23):
really there's a lot of fascinating things to tell him
about him, and that's what I tried to uncover and
some of the questions I get, like where did he
stay when he was here? So I located places where
he stayed in Covington and where his son stayed. And
also one thing that I was really happy to find

(01:25:46):
in going through some German language materials here I found
in the writings of Heinrich rodernand he was a local historian.
He actually met and got to know Robling and he
met him over the rhine because in the evenings Roblin

(01:26:06):
would like to come across the river and go to
some of the beer gardens here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Can you believe that no, no one likes doing that. Well,
that was OTR was party central, for if you wanted
to get beer, can have a good time, that was
where you went. I imagine those days exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:26:25):
So he came over here and Roderman got to know him.
And what I liked about this report that I found
up was and it was in German. And I can
understand that it has never been cited elsewhere because other
historians have not focused on our Bridge and especially anything
in German. But Roderman wrote about what he was like

(01:26:47):
and how sociable he was, how talkative he was, how
he liked to talk about the bridge, and at that time,
some people were very doubtful about building a suspension bridge.
They doubted it would be strong enough and durable enough
to withstand the pressure of the loads, and he convinced

(01:27:09):
a lot of people of its durability and encourage people
to invest in the bridge. So it's interesting he liked
to talk a lot about philosophy because when he was
in Berlin he studied under Hegel, the German philosopher, and
he was very interested in philosophical topics and he was

(01:27:32):
really a renaissance person and a genius. And so I
really like getting a close up picture that i've of Roderman.
What do he looked and also what did he look
like physically? Well, he was a very imposing person. He
was very animated, and Roderman goes into describing that, and

(01:27:54):
so what I tried, I think this will provide a
close picture of what Robling was like as a person
personality and physically what did he look like?

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
I mean, just so.

Speaker 14 (01:28:07):
That's just other things that I did find too from
the Robling collection. I even located Roebling's memo book, an
address book where he he wrote down addresses of people
here in our area, and then he'd write comments about people.
So it's kind of an insight sent Yeah, what he

(01:28:30):
thought about people?

Speaker 9 (01:28:31):
About that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Let's see, everybody's asking you about what the you know,
what was Robling like? And he's going around writing down
what he thinks of other you know, probably somewhat famous
people or people known to the region.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
Fascinating account.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
I'm glad you're able to stumble across those archives that
hadn't been looked into anymore, harr Toltzman. The name of
the book again is the Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide
to Historic Sites, People in Places, second edition. With all
this new wealth of information about John Robling and his
family and the other construction projects he was on real
quick before he parted company because we have to you said,
he got people to invest in it. Was this like
a public works project that he was retained to do.

(01:29:07):
I don't have any idea how this bridge would get
built back then. I mean, did did they solicit it
out for bid? Did the city go looking for someone
to build it? Was this his idea? Real briefly, don Well.

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
It was a private corporation, a company called the Covington
Cincinnati Bridge Company, that was incorporated in eighteen forty six. Okay, so,
and that company owned the bridge actually up until nineteen
fifty three when it was sold to the state of Kentucky.

(01:29:39):
So the company contracted with Robling to build the bridge. See,
so they needed to enlist investors in the company. And
this is another interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
Thing I got, Don.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
I'm sorry, we're at a time and I don't want
to get the Harry eyeball from Joe. Just had get
the book, folks. Joe Strecker is going to add to
my blow page so people can easily get a copy
of it. Don Tolsman, It's always great talking with you,
and yes, I will be drinking a beer with you
at one of the German fests this year. God bless you, sir,
and a very happy New Year and best to health
you in your family. My friend Tamara Leech, she's got
a new book, Hold the Line, My story from the

(01:30:14):
heart of the Freedom Convoy passion an organizer, mother, grandmother,
no loving when she is defiant, political prisoner, self described
and jailed for daring to criticize the Canadian government and
in fact maybe facing ten years in prison. Welcome to
the program, Tamara Leech, to talk about your book. Hold
the line, my whoops, hold the line, my story from

(01:30:38):
the I lost my I'm sorry, ma'am, my page, my
page disappeared in front of me. Anyway, it's the Canadian
Trucker Story.

Speaker 6 (01:30:47):
I'll bring it back up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
You know, this dominated the news here in the United
States for quite a while. Marshall Law got declared over
vaccine mandates. Remind my listeners the whole setup and how
you became the face of and the target for this
amazing protest that took place in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
Well, good morning, Brian, and thank you so much for
having me. Yes, the book is called Voldem My Story
from the Heart of the Freedom Convoy, and basically it
all cod The COVID pandemic here in Canada is pretty
dark times and I was watching you know, a lot
of my sons and family their their families were brobibing.

(01:31:28):
You know, we were only we weren't able to say
goodbye to our love believe in long tan tail hands
of you know, it's just so darth and depression. And
as the rest of the world started opening us, you know,
split towards the end of the pandemic, Canada our prime
ministers to be inposed harsen harscale assistance. And it just

(01:31:50):
got to a point when they when we declared the
truck for mandate for the cross order any checkers and
that wasn't us. A small baby less got together and
decided he had to do something. And the raftic history
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
And honestly, your protests and everything you stood for and
still stand for, he turned. It turned out you're on
the right side of the ledger on all this. I mean,
we were sold to bill of goods on these vaccines,
multiple jabs, you know, get another one, get a booster jab,
get four of them a year. You can't have a
job unless you've been you've gotten the jab. It's your
duty as a you know, a citizen of Canada or

(01:32:29):
the United States, is the case, maybe to protect your
fellow man against the spread of COVID. It never stopped
the spread of COVID. It didn't stop people from getting COVID.
And now all these vaccine mandates have been retracted or
otherwise thrown out as a matter of law. What was
Trudeau thinking? Was this all about a power grab? And
how in God's name does a vaccine relate to truckers
doing their job.

Speaker 10 (01:32:51):
You know, it was ridiculous. Our planets there is a
puppulent file basically, and when he does think did it
his own way, he bumped his feet and start calling name.
He's been bastly what he did. And then he came
right out of the gate calling us racists and he
liked the gumicists and terrorists. You know, it's ridiculous, I
said in my testimony when I when I was at

(01:33:12):
the inquiry in the fall. You know, when you're the
leader of a country, you don't get to pick and
cheerity you needed. You have responsibility to put everyone, whether
they believe the same ideology that they were not. So
you know, we're I mean, he's a drama teacher. He
was a part time drama teacher, a snowboard instructor. So
you know, I don't I don't know what else we

(01:33:33):
can't expect, but you know it the emergency Bascinat, he
invoked it. The border had been peered, all of them,
they tim extend the blockaded you know winter and seat
of course I'm on the field. They that had already
been cleared. And at one of the cyteria for invoking
the emergency vaccis then has to be a threat to

(01:33:54):
national security. So it wasn't the threat to national security.
And you were in Ottawa, so you know, none of
the stuff that he did in made sense if those
the bank account the Canadians without arliamentary oversight, no point
order from a judge, and that shit aligne every dady,
everybody in the world, because if baysn do it in

(01:34:14):
Canada like the most peafault polite, you know, country on
the planet, basically make you do it anyway. And and
that's parifying, you know. And he had mom stuck at
glas Counters that could he pay for the groceries they
had to leave them Marior.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
You know how.

Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
Embarrassfing that is? Its famine, that couldn't buy meditation fit
their children? Uh? People, could he paid in more of
the cares that could he create their child support?

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
You know? It was It was terrible and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
No part of the Yeah, okay, So they ignored parliament
much in the same way that you know, executive orders
here in the United States ignore the powers of Congress like,
for example, powers of person and the legislative branch in lawmaking.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
And the idea that they were able to seal bank
accounts without due process, denying people access to their own
property based upon their refusal to get a vaccine. That
we even lived through this period of time is mind blowing.
Tell my listeners what is the rule low commission findings?
What are those about? Because I'm I'm not familiar with
that myself, Tamera, Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:35:18):
Well, the Relow Commission was the Public Order Emergit Conmission.
Basically the inquiry any kind of thing invoked the EMERGIP
vac in Canada. Well, that was the first time that
they have to have an inquiry. It's it's law, it's legislation,
and so they had this inquiry into in any indication
of the Act. And basically what the commission came out

(01:35:40):
and said was that government and competence is now the
main bar for evoth the EMERGIP doc. He said that
he agreed that they did the right thing, even though
none of the criteria for invoking the act.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
It's net.

Speaker 10 (01:35:54):
This tells me that Number one, I'll charter of writing
freedom the emergency as legislation, we aren't most the pay
for the written on if he could just tossed him out.
There was no sabotlaus, there was no spionage there was
no national security. It was nonsense. And what it was was,
you know, he embarrassed themselves. He embarrassed himself and he

(01:36:18):
bat he falls into a corner. And yet me tell you,
our Prime Minister is the swamping it, the bit to
use the and the beginning of COVID at the beginning
of the pandemic. He has signed it. He has signedy
in bulk again so that he can expend the itever
he wanted to be on the condemnic without you know,
any any parliamentary oversight again the data in the House
of Commons.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
And for my.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
American friends who are listening here in the Tri State area,
let me just remind folks about martial law declarations, which
is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about. Nobody
salivates over invoking martial law more than people want to
control every element of our lives. And suspending our Constitution
and our Fourth Amendment rights and our First and Second
Amendment rights is of course all in line with a
martial law declaration. You've lived through this, you're also still

(01:37:03):
facing trial. What are the charges that have been levied
against you?

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
Tamera?

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And and uh it sounds to me like you have
a wonderfully defensible case. But what are they What are
they charging you with? Or have they charged you with?

Speaker 10 (01:37:16):
Mixtif mischief makes difference? So you missed yes, like which
I'm not sure what you're looking in mog and life
in the United States, But in Canada, a midsgift charge
would be extended spray painting graffiti on the side of
a wall. You know. It's well, So I've been charge
of missiff counseling to submit missif intimidation and counseling intimidation,
which is quite funny because I'm only five feet falling

(01:37:39):
about one hundred and fifty pounds. I don't I don't
consider myself very intimidating. You know, It's just nonsense. It's
all nonsense. And so he wants ten years in jail.
So it's Cliff Barbara and I were a cull of
key ten years in jale for that, Nita Quick Barber. No,
I have a pentemal elector and he has no history
in violence.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:38:00):
I've never even been in facebook Gale before, so you know,
and we have a very over either and emotionally invested
sound prosecutor, which is literally is quite horrifying. To even say,
you know, his job is simply to uphold the Vidion law,
but he is been big base and beneful and this
is more like a perfeccession.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Well, I'm certain it does. And it sounds to me
like one of your defenses, if they is that they
trod upon the rule of law in order to bring
about a charge against you and so many other people
that were involved in these protests.

Speaker 10 (01:38:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's over leaps at uh
at the highest level, and it's big, clatly bitous. I
mean a catab in their racist similarers get treated better
than fifth than I. And you know our child starts
to kindle the fifth and it wraps up in the
middle of October for mich gift.

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
You know, mother stuy's a lot that long.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
I know, No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
And honestly, I am a litigation at t anybody trade,
not a criminal h I wasn't ever practitioner criminal law.
But you know, in American jurisprudence, the idea that you
could be charged with something as absurd sounding as mischief
is seemingly a laughable thing. And we do have a
First Amendment and right to free speech and you know,
quite often free free speech can be deemed by at

(01:39:21):
least some subjectively as mischievous. That's what I get paid
to do, Tamera, is be mischievous on the radio. Here lord,
that's right, Hold the line.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
The name of the book, Hold the line, go ahead?

Speaker 10 (01:39:35):
Oh sorry, I think they say. And the thing, as
you know, I was being lives in videos all the time,
continularly advocating to each expecting our police officers, be expecting
your rule of law. So yeah, it's it's nonsense.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
Well we always you the best.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Is there a sort of a legal defense fund that
you are that people can can make contributions to, or
maybe perhaps that's maybe is buying a copy of a
Hold the Line My story from the heart of the
Freedom Convoy as a mechanism of helping you defend yourself
because no one knows more than me how expensive litigation is.
And of course, when your life and your freedom and
liberty are on the line, it's very important you have

(01:40:13):
a good legal defense on your side.

Speaker 10 (01:40:17):
Yeah, yeah, there, yeah, And it's sssly because you know,
this case is goes I'll come about trial is going
to affect all Canadians. Yes, you know, going forward you know,
and we have a right to see and I'm so
must see that. I've got an organization that's taught me
fund my defense. They called the Democracy Fund here in Canada,

(01:40:39):
and there a terrible organization and donation day, the Democraphy
Direct Democracy Fund dot G. And yeah, so you've got
a We've got a long, good ahead of us, and
you're right, and it is not cheap. And I've got
a great player and got a great team. So yeah,
I'm looking forward to my dand court.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
The Democracyfund dot CAA obviously for Canada if you want
to help her out, and of course, get a copy
of the book. It's important that we keep in touch
and stay in touch with this and I will definitely
be following what happens you at trial. Tamara Leech my
guest today. Get a copy of the book at fifty
five care Sea dot com. Hold the line my story
from the heart of the Freedom Convoy, Tamara, keep up
the great work.

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
My next guest. You know her, I'm sure you do.
My listeners do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Carrie Lake, she just read a book and it's just
been released. Unafraid, just getting started. Daughter of a teacher
and a nurse. She grew up in Iowa next to
her eight siblings, learned the value of a hard day's work,
which is so important. She pursued a career in the
news industry, where she'd become a symbol of truth in journalism.
She was rejected the agenda driven press, walking away from
the mainstream media after a highly successful twenty seven year career. Thereafter,

(01:41:48):
in twenty twenty two, she ran for governor of Arizona,
got the endorsement of President Donald J. Trump, and earned
a moniker that I'm sure she wears with great pride,
the most dangerous politician in America. Carrie, Welcome to the
fifty five Caresity Morning Show. It's great to have you
on today.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (01:42:05):
Yeah, you're in danger talking to.

Speaker 16 (01:42:06):
Me, Brian I am.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
I am so afraid Carrie, to give you a forum
on this program. We love having folks like you on
the fifty five cares of the Morning Show. Why the
mainstream media really labeled you the most dangerous politician in America?
Is this because you had the good fortune of getting
Donald Trump's endorsement. What was behind that, Carrie?

Speaker 8 (01:42:28):
Well, I think they.

Speaker 15 (01:42:29):
See me as the threat I am to the political
and media establishment. I'm calling them out for what they're doing.
I'm articulate. I understand how the media and the fake
news works. I worked in the media for thirty years,
and you know, they saw what we had in Arizona.
We still have. It's a major movement. The people are
awake in Arizona. They all stepped forward. They got involved

(01:42:52):
so much so that the only way to stop us
was to rig an election, which they did. But I'll
never forget the day. You know, my amazing team would
send me the press clippings, and you know, if I
had a little time in the morning, I kind of
go through and see what they were writing about me,
which was always negative. It's so sad that that the
press has gone so rotten because everything about our campaign
was positive, but they wrote they wrote about me kind

(01:43:14):
of like they wrote about Trump. And I will never
forget the morning I woke up, I'm drinking my coffee
and I see the headline the most dangerous politician in America,
And I scrolled down, thinking it's going to be a
picture of President Trump and it's me And I'm thinking,
little old me, a mom from Arizona who's fed up
with the way things are going and dares to step
into politics, and they call me, that's what they labeled me.

(01:43:38):
But I am a danger to the system, the status quo.
We the people are a danger to the status quo
because it seems that we've forgotten that we hold the
power in the government. And I'm about bringing the government,
getting the government back to the people. And that's why
I'm a danger to them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Well, you're reminding the people that they are in control.
And this is what's so frustrating for me, because you
and I share the same you know, I like to
refer myself as a little libertarian. I believe you know,
I trust you with your zipper and your wallet. I
want minimal government in my life. I want my own
freedom to choose my own life direction. That is the
beauty of being American. But it bothers me so much

(01:44:15):
that so many people are either they don't care, they
want to be controlled, that they don't mind being manipulated,
or I'm my default is they're just asleep, you know,
after all the trials and tribulations and everything else they
got to deal with. You know, they're stuck on watching
binge watching programs. They don't have time to even lift
a finger to pay attention to politics, and when they do,

(01:44:35):
they default to their ten minute little dose of CBS
and that's all they get. That is not enough for
an educated and informed electorate to stand up against this
micro management we're getting from federal government more and more
every day, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:44:51):
And I don't blame the people. I'm saddened if by
what's happening. You know, if all you know is the
news you're you're told, you know, you still believe that
the papers you pick up, you haven't been exposed to
other sources where you kind of get the red pill
or where you go, wait a minute, that's nothing's adding
up right now. This is a massive operation to brainwash

(01:45:15):
Americans and the people. I was sitting at lunch yesterday
and there was a table of young people, probably twenty
twenty one year olds behind me, maybe a little older
than that, and they were just talking about how the
systemic racism, and you know, the whole conversation was obviously
these woke, you know, brainwashing that they have endured for

(01:45:37):
I don't know, probably fourteen years of their education life.
When you're raised in that environment, the news is lying
to you, The schooling and education is lying to you,
that's exactly what you get are a bunch of brainwashed
people walking around thinking that this is all normal. And
it takes kind of a jolt to wake you up.
And I'm hoping that more people are kind of wising

(01:45:59):
up to a just seeing and not tuning into.

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
The fake news.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Carry Lake, author of the book we're talking about today, Unafraid,
just getting started. I guess the other really confounding and
frightening component of this is it's not just mainstream media,
the George Soros manipulators out in the world, the moneyed
interest that always have this more globalist agenda. But now
we know that our federal government is also working behind
the scenes two our more conservative minded disadvantage. I mean,

(01:46:26):
you look at what happened the Comber has revealed with
the whistleblowers and the irs and the foreign government payments
that they didn't bother lifting a finger to do. They
let it ay slow walk it. So a statute of
limitations would kick in the disparate treatment of Donald Trump
compared to all of the others who have had you know,
so called confidential documents in their position. I mean, for
anybody who pays any attention they see that this deck
is so stacked against freedom loving conservative mind of individuals

(01:46:49):
like ourselves. I'm thinking some people just say I can't
fight it.

Speaker 15 (01:46:55):
Well, but we can, and we can. The only way
we lose is when we quit. My dad was that
you lose. When you quit, you lose.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
That's it.

Speaker 15 (01:47:04):
You're done. So we're going to fight every day. And
you know they're going after They're going after the good guys.
The media is going after Donald Trump relentlessly, other people
who are America first. You see, you know, they're fighting
for us, and you see the media going after them.
I'm being sued now by an election official because I'm
calling out the corruption and the elections, and now they're

(01:47:26):
trying to assume me to stop me from from exposing
the corruption of this rigged and stolen election, so they
will continue to come after us. I mean that that's
just how it's going to be. Nobody gets out of
this on scathed. We're in the process of saving our country,
restoring America to its glory, and restoring the power back

(01:47:47):
to the people. I believe it's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
I believe it is.

Speaker 15 (01:47:49):
We're in the process of restoring our government back to
the American people, and it's not an easy process. It's
kind of like the birthing process. It's it's not easy,
it's painful, and nobody gets out of it unscathed. But
what good is a comfortable life? If you're living a
life right now and you know things are not working right,
you know it's wrong. You know, maybe you're forced to

(01:48:10):
get a vaccine against your will to keep your job,
or maybe you're seeing this this justice system that is
really an injustice system. We have to be willing to
give everything up to save our country. And I'm talking
about the paycheck, the benefits, the pension, the four oh
one thing. What good is that if we're living in

(01:48:31):
a country that is we're not free, that.

Speaker 8 (01:48:33):
We don't have our liberties.

Speaker 15 (01:48:34):
And that's why I walked away from my career. I
just realized the media was the problem, and if I
continue to work in the media, I was the problem.
And I thought it was an immoral profession at that
point because of the lies that were being told about
COVID about the election. So I walked away from my career.
And little did I know that the people would be
so moved by that act of courage that they would

(01:48:56):
start doing courageous things, and they started to ask me
to run for office. Had never imagined getting into politics
in my life, and I thought, well, you know, maybe
this was a me being a bit naive after going
through history classes through school. That's what our founding fathers envisioned,
real people stepping forward and getting into politics, and so
I jumped in. But little did I know, the swamp

(01:49:19):
has a different set of rules. They only allow people
in who they can blackmail and control. And that's why
they threw such a fit when I got into politics,
because they saw that the people were with me, because
I was representing the people, and they just went all
out war with us, and they could not stop us,
other than to rig an election, roll out intentionally roll

(01:49:41):
out broken machines on election day when our people were
showing up, and they put those broken machines in Republican
only areas. It's unbelievable what they did in Arizona. Most
people around the country don't realize it. And that's why
I'm working hard to get the word out that we
have to reform our elections. If we don't have on
of selections, we will lose our country.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
And so unafraid just getting started is your personal story,
and I presume you wrote it because of the reaction.
You got this positive reaction, you can try to get
other people to, you know, take up the cause and
inspire them to do what you have done, at least
in some fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:50:22):
I think you're right about that. I didn't have a
mission like I have to do this in my book.
I wanted it to be a book that everybody would
enjoy it, and it's not a political book where you
have to get through ten to fifteen pages before you
feel like you want to continue reading. This is interesting.
From the very first sentence, I promise.

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
You that I so bold.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
That's a bold statement that'll sell you books, Kerrie, and
I know my listeners are going to buy them up,
and I'll strongly encourage them to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
I made it really easy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
We have your book at fifty five care sea dot com,
as we always do with authors I interview, so they
can grab a copy of that and get inspired themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
Well.

Speaker 15 (01:50:58):
I was really honored that President Trump the ForWord.

Speaker 8 (01:51:00):
I love writing.

Speaker 15 (01:51:01):
I'm a thirty year journalist, so it was good to
get back into writing again. When I was asked to
write a book, and it was very cathartic, to be honest.
I wrote this in the days after our victory was
stolen from us, and it was a dark period, and
I had a few political types statement, don't don't go
after anybody, don't you know, even though so and so
did you wrong and another person kind of was betrayed

(01:51:23):
the people of Arizona. And I said, no, I'm going
to give the full, unfettered truth in this book. And there,
you know, somebody said, you threw this and you landed
on chins, But that's okay. Some people deserved it. But
it starts of the prolonged. The prologue starts and it's
called crash Landing, and it talks about one incident on

(01:51:46):
the campaign trail that almost was the end of me,
and I mean the end of me that most people
don't know about. And it goes on to explaining how
I ended up in journalism from growing up at a
family of nine, I was the youngest, and I take
you inside the fake news, and then I talk about
how I look the script on the fake news when

(01:52:06):
I was running, how I ended up using the fake
news to get about a billion dollars in free.

Speaker 5 (01:52:14):
Media.

Speaker 15 (01:52:15):
I didn't spend a lot of money paying for ads.
I use the fake news to create these viral moments
that would then go out and get us what they
call earned media, like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Being labeled the most dangerous politician in America. My guess today,
Carrie Lake Carry, It's been a real pleasure having you
on today. I'll encourage my listeners fifty five cars dot
coms where they go get a copy of the book
and keep up the great work.

Speaker 7 (01:52:38):
Carrie.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
I feel very confident we'll be hearing a lot more
from you down the road, and you always have a
welcome spot here on my fifty five KRCE Morning Show.

Speaker 15 (01:52:45):
Thank you, Brian, and thank you to Cincinnati as well
for listening this morning. God bless you and thank.

Speaker 6 (01:52:51):
You for speaking truth to power. Carrie Lake.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Please to welcome to the fifty five Carrace Morning Show.
Author Robert J. Dela Hunt. He's a fellow the Claremont
or a Claremont in Stay Center for American Way of
Life in Washington. D c held a Lejune Chair of
Law at the University of Saint Thomas Law School in
Minneapolis until his retirement and is published widely on constitutional law.
I served as US Department of Justice for seventeen years

(01:53:13):
when was Deputy General Counsel in the White House Office
of Homeland Security. Welcome to the program, Robert. It is
a pleasure to talk to you about the politically Incorrect
Guy to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Welcome to the fifty five CAREC Morning Show.

Speaker 9 (01:53:26):
Well, thank you very much. It's a real pleasure in
honor to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Pleasure and honor for me too, a fellow lawyer, I
consider myself a recovering lawyer, Robert, I have. This is
my seventeenth year in radio, and prior to that, I
did sixteen years in litigation, both in private practice as
well as in the corporate U I did. Yeah, I've
kept my license up just in case. You know, I
have bosses here too, so I like to be able
to remind him that, you know, someday I could always

(01:53:52):
go back to practicing law. But you and I both
know the true reality of that. After seventeen years, maybe not.
You obviously stayed at it. The politically Incorrect Guides they're
not satire works necessarily, they're actually extremely informative works, and
this is an extremely informative work on the Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 (01:54:13):
Well, thank you. Yes, it's a series it's published by Riginery,
and ours happens to be the politically incorrect guide to
the Supreme Court. But you could find others in the
series about let's say, Christianity or Islam, or the Constitution
or whatever you please. And they are designed and are
certainly is designed to be user friendly. You don't need

(01:54:35):
a legal education, you don't need a law degree to
be able to read it and understand it. We aim
for a general audience of people who want to learn
about the workings and the history of the Supreme Court
and to have an informed discussion of some of its
major recent cases. If you're a retired person like me
and you want to learn more about the court, this

(01:54:56):
is a book for you. If you have a child
or a grandchild at home home who has an interest
in civics, again, this is a kind of book you
could give as a gift. If you're an accountant but
want to know more, or you have friendly arguments with
your next door neighbor about the Court, this is meant
for you. It's meant to be sophisticated. As you say,

(01:55:17):
we both have careers in teaching and practicing constitutional law,
but it's also meant to be accessible let.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
Me use let's go to Roe v.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Wade, one of the most controversial decisions ever in the
context of discussing originalists versus activist judges and the perception
of the Constitution. Now, I always view it doesn't matter
where your position is on abortion. I did never I
never liked Roe v. Wade because it is a great
illustration of judicial drafting legislation. I mean, where did trimesters

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come from? How did that come into play? We're talking
about whether abortion is protected or not, and they end
up with this long piece of what should have been
legislation coming from a a constitution from the Supreme Court,
you know, a constitutional based decision that equaled legislation. That
to me is activism, whereas a court should have just

(01:56:10):
either addressed the issue as within the confines of the
Constitution or not. The law is either constitutional or not.
If it is not explained, why overrule the law and
then let the legislative branch go to work to refine
it that so it consists with the law. People got
up in arms and crazy over the idea that the
judges the most recently issued the Supreme Court decision over

(01:56:33):
ruling Roll Rowe, saying there's nothing in the Constitution that
deals with this subject matter. This is not within the
purview of the federal government. That returns the issue to
the states, consistent with all powers not specifically reserved in
the Constitution belong to the states. That is a originalist viewpoint.
Am I wrong on my analysis on that?

Speaker 9 (01:56:55):
No, No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Of what
the court does and constitutional decisions is to make sure
that the decisions are made by the right decision maker.
It doesn't decide on the policy of abortion. It decides
who makes that call. It doesn't decide on the policy

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of student loan relief. It decides who makes that call.
It doesn't it's not supposed to make substantive policy decisions.
It has to decide who is the right agency, who
is the right actor, what is the right branch of
the government to make the policy call? Or is it Sometimes,
as with abortion, the voters, the people in the states.

(01:57:39):
The problem with Roe all along was exactly what you say.
It looked like a piece of legislation. It looked like
something that could be mandated by the state legislature in
Montana or Ohio or Arizona. It did not look like
a piece of judicial decision making. And the re and

(01:58:00):
was that it was not that the Court got out
of its lane. It grabbed power that did not belong
to it. And after decades, finally the Court last year
reversed itself and it sent the question back to those
who constitutionally do have the authority to make abortion policy decisions,

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and that is state governments and the people of those states.
And that was I think a major accomplishment. This court,
especially since the three new appointments by Donald Trump, has
been trying to get out of the wrong lanes and
enter the lane that belongs to judicial decision making. And yes,

(01:58:41):
as you say, its method is originalist. It looks for
the meaning of constitutional language as it was understood at
the time the people, the voters adopted that language, and
it says, unless the constitutional language has been changed or modified,
and there are ways you can do that, we will
give it the interpretation that it had at the time

(01:59:04):
it was ratified. Unless you change the law, it remains
the law. And that's how the Court use the Constitution.
And I think my co author thinks that that is
the correct approach.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
My guess today, political or rather legal scholar, an author
of politically correct guide to a plically and correct guide
to the Supreme Court. I want to dive into one
that don't. It's Robert de la Houney. I want to
dive into one really quick. Robert here, it's the most
frustrating case. It remains on the books, at least from
my perspective, Wickered versus Philburn that had did more to

(01:59:36):
expand the reach overreach of government, I think than any
decision handed down by the Supreme Court when they found
that one man on his farm within the confines of
the borders of his state and his property could not
grow crops because that had a ripple effect that impacted
interstate commerce, because the volume of wheed or tomatoes, or
whatever it was he was growing, it was impacted by

(01:59:58):
his growth. That to me is an believable overreach, and
it allowed so much intrusion into our freedoms and liberties
that transcend the limitations of the Constitution. Given the makeup
of the Supreme Court, now, first off, do you believe
that the case was incorrectly decided along these originalists versus
activist grounds? But more fundamentally, regardless where you're on that,
do you think this current court would ever overturn that,
and might the repercussions be on that.

Speaker 9 (02:00:21):
I do agree with you. I think the Philburn case
was wrongly decided. It was a decision under the interstate
Commerce clause, Congress has the power to regulate commerce between
the states. In effect, that gives it the ability to
create a kind of free trade zone within the United States.
It also has the power to regulate commerce with foreign

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nations and with the Indian peoples. And Wickert was a
case in which a wheat farmer was basically mining his
own business, growing his own crops. Much of it he
consumed himself, some he fed to his animals on the farm,
some he so locally. It is impossible to see how
that could really be considered interstate commerce. Nevertheless, the government

(02:01:05):
tried to limit the amount of wheat he could grow
on the theory that even a small amount of wheat
sales would affect the price of wheat in interstate commerce,
and the government was trying to regulate those prices and
keep them higher because of the depression. It clearly was
an overreach of governmental power, and the Supreme Court back

(02:01:26):
in the nineteen thirties permitted it. Will the Court get
to the point where it overturns Wickered. I don't think
anytime soon, because so much of the administrative state has
been built on a very exsive reading.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
That's right, if people comply my program, I'm delivered, little
elementarian minded guy. I trust you with that well, your life,
and you trust me with mine and my money, and
we're going to get along just fine, regardless of what
your philosophy is. But I have you regularly complained about
the overreach of the administrative state, the intrusions into our
protected rights under the Bill of Rights. We could go

(02:02:04):
on for hours, sir, on the Fourth Amendment abuses that
our government is currently engaging in. But if Wickered were
magically dis to disappear, every complaint we've got about the
administrative state would practically be wiped out, because most of
the administ's administrative state would be wiped out for lack
of ability to reach into our neighborhoods. Anyway, sorry about that.
You have one beautiful thing I have to mention this, Robert,

(02:02:27):
I was disappointed in the Supreme Court's decision on the
Obamacare finding that it was constitutional. Was the one gift
that we were given in that case was the definitive
statement that no, the commerce clause cannot be used to
force us to engage in activity.

Speaker 9 (02:02:44):
That's right. Yes, that was the holding of the court,
so that the government cannot compel you to enter the
market for medical insurance. But you know that's truly the
outermost bounds of the Grain Farmer case. On the other hand,
look the court three cases next term, and it has
decided one this term that have a direct bearing on

(02:03:05):
the administrative state, and I think it's chipping away at
this vast edifice. And next term when it decides these
three cases, we may see a significant change in the
way recoverned because the administrate, if the Court continues on
its path, is going to have to be slimmed down.
Grook is not going to be overturned in a single year,

(02:03:28):
but it will be slenderized.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Well, we saw that with West virgin Universus EPA. They
exceed the boundaries under the Water Act, like it can't
claim a tablespoon of water on your property is now
part of navigabal waterways. So that was a great, great
limitation and that case will be relied upon down the
road to further whittle away these gross abuses of our
administrators writing laws behind the scenes and without elected accountability.

(02:03:53):
The name of the book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to
the Supreme Court. I have really enjoyed our conversation Robert
Della honeymore Kelat and I maybe look forward to having
you on again the program on other matters related to
the Constitution. Fantastic conversation, fun book. My listeners can get
it on my blog page at fifty five krs dot com.
And I really encourage you to do it because books

(02:04:13):
like this will boil down what otherwise seem to be
complex legal topics into really easily understandable principles, and that's
what it's all about. Robert, you did a great job,
my friend. Thank you very much. I'd like to welcome
to the fifty five Carsee Morning show a woman everybody knows,
Judge Jeanine Pero, Eve's watcher on the five, which is
the highest rated program on Fox, started out as the

(02:04:35):
first woman in history to prosecute murder cases Westchester Kennedy
or where should begin her careers Assistant District Attorney. She
had one hundred percent conviction rate. That is amazing. Then
she moved on and she held the position for twelve years.
Westchester County District attorney. She started as a legal analyst
on Fox News a long time ago, hosted their weekend
program Justice with Judge Janine back in twenty eleven, and

(02:04:57):
of course on to Fox the Five on Fox NewsChannel.

Speaker 6 (02:05:00):
Also an author.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Today, we're going to be talking about a new book,
Crimes against America, the lefts takedown of our Republic, described
as an unmatched indictment against Joe Biden's administration and far
left id logus who've sought to change our way of
life by fundamentally transforming America as we know it. Judge
Janeen Perrou, Welcome to the fifty five Careceon Morning Show.
A distinct pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 16 (02:05:22):
Well, thank you very much, and thank you for that introduction.
You know, it's kind of like a rundown in past history.

Speaker 4 (02:05:27):
Well I am.

Speaker 16 (02:05:30):
But the book, though, is really contemporary history. I mean
every day when you listen to you or open a
turn on a TV, read the newspaper. I mean, everything
is in this book. Everything that's been going on, from
the Durham Report to the takedown of law and order
to the craziness at the Southern border is in the book.

(02:05:52):
It is wild. You know, we're no longer a sovereign nation.
We're nothing more than a globalist landing spot with benefits
for anyone who wants to decide to come here and
partake of our conacopeia benefits, whether it's education, medication, housing,
it's America is just not the sovereign nation she once was.

Speaker 1 (02:06:10):
Isn't that the case? And I, you know, agree wholeheartedly
with everything you said. You obviously didn't call me looking
for an argument. I'm witnessing it myself.

Speaker 7 (02:06:19):
Question.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Here's a parallel I want to draw because I watched
this Ukraine war go on, and if Russia ends up
winning or Ukraine ends up retaining the territory, they are
going to get nothing but a bombed out wasteland. And
I think about this in terms of what the left
is pushing for. What in the hell is their endgame?
Because the way everything they're pushing for, whether it be
trillions of dollars in reparations or unlimited benefits from the

(02:06:44):
umbilical court of government, I'm sorry, the dollars don't add up.

Speaker 6 (02:06:47):
It's not there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
And if they get what they want, they're going to
inherit a total wasteland in the United States of America
as the world relies on it with a perpetual handout,
is not going to be around in the way it
is now. So what's the endgame?

Speaker 16 (02:07:00):
Well, you know, I wish I knew what the endgame was,
but I can only imagine that it's about ports, uh,
and it's about h waterways, it's about transportation. Look, Russia
needs Ukraine. Ukraine is you know, the bread basket of
the world, so they have wheat and they have the

(02:07:21):
ability to get Russia transfer.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
Yeah, no, Judgine, I was using Ukraine as a metaphor
because if you take it over, fine, I guess you
get the what's left in terms of natural resources, but
other everything.

Speaker 6 (02:07:31):
Else is just dilapidated.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Now, the left here in the United States would inherit
this massive unsustainable welfare state that they keep perpetuating. But
we're working through this budget negotiation, debt ceiling. We obviously
have a spending problem. It can't go on forever.

Speaker 16 (02:07:47):
So I sure again, don't you remember AOC said, well,
we'll just we'll just print more money. And you know,
the amazing part of is the trillions that we gave
during COVID billions, the schools we don't even have account
and accounting of where they spend it. But what we
do know is that the schools, through Randy Weingarten, she

(02:08:08):
will end up giving millions and millions to the Democrat
Party because that's how it works. And as it relates
to the other stuff, you remember, well, let's talk about
Black Lives Matter, not the movement, but the organization. Okay,
all the big corporations contributed to them because of all
this value signaling. And the truth is they ended up
buying a few mansions in California, didn't want to file taxes.

(02:08:30):
Very few of the dollars, if any, went to young
African Americans who needed it in the inner cities. You know,
we've got to try to figure out a way to
stop spending money and a way to improve people's lives.
And whether it's through some kind of schooling, and whether
it's a charter school, and you know, whether it's any
kind of school other than the public schools where our

(02:08:51):
kids are there. And I say this in the first
few minutes of the book. You know, our kids are
graduating from school and thirty eight percent of them are
not proficient in reading or in maths. And it gets
worse with the pandemic. So we keep throwing money at problems.
Nothing comes of it. But I'll tell you something. You
want to use Ukraine as a metaphor. You want to

(02:09:12):
tell me why Randy Weingarten went to Ukraine three times?
What is she doing there? And the first time she
went there the head of the AFT. First time she
goes there, she says, Oh, I'm comparing the education systems
of the United States and Ukraine?

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 16 (02:09:26):
Every school has been bombed and destroyed in Ukraine. What
else are you doing there? Randy tell me? And so
when the left throws money and they can't stop throwing
money at this green energy, we don't even have an
infrastructure to support it, and we destroy jobs. I mean,
everything that Joe Biden is doing, and I say this
in crimes against America. Everything that he's doing is hurting America.

(02:09:48):
It's making America last. And it's sad because this is
not the country that.

Speaker 4 (02:09:52):
We grew up in.

Speaker 16 (02:09:53):
And everything goes down. The statues, the schools, you know, reading, writing, arithmetic,
and now we're talking about teaching kids how to perform
sex on each other in the second grade. When I
was a da I'd prosecute that as child pornography. And
they want to fight if they want to fight for
that stuff. And you know, you listen to people, Oh,

(02:10:14):
we we think third term abortions are good. And you know,
if it's a it's for the help of the mother.
You know, she can decide after the baby's born. According
to Governor north Im in Virginia, UH, she can decide
with an up or down like the Emperor and the coliseum.
Then let the baby live. Then you're right, let the
baby die. I mean, these are not the values of

(02:10:34):
this country. And whether it's whether it's the mass invasion
of the border, and you know what we're doing in
New York City. The mayor of New York City has
thrown kids out of schools, putting illegals in the gyms
and telling kids that they have they have to have
gym in the streets. And we've got we've got veterans
on the streets, illegals in the UH in the hotels.

(02:10:56):
Fifty percent of the hotels in New York City have illegals.
And you know, I don't blaim the Southern States for
sending the illegals to the Northern States, because why should
they suffer the indignity and the destruction of their budgets
and everything else, whereas the people in the north are like, oh,
you have to take it, you have to take it.
It's about time they understood what it really means to

(02:11:17):
be a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state. Put your
money where you're up as a buster.

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
Indeed, that virtue signaling. Ultimately, the chickens come home to
roost and now they're suffering, and they are a micro
example of the macro reality that's going on in America
with this unflowed immigration situation we have on the border.
Do you believe before we part company the name of
the book and of course my guest today, Judge Jeanine Pero,
crimes against America, the left takedown of our republic. You
can get it on my blog page fifty five casey

(02:11:42):
dot com. Do you believe in all the things you
say are logical and reasonable? And to me, like school
choice and the border, these don't have a political stripe
from my standpoint. I mean, it is not a Republican
Democrat thing to say I want my children to go
to a good school. Do you believe that the public
is now waking up to this whole. Are this lock
stock and barrel leftist movement to undermine literally everything we've

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previously stood for that's been so successful for us.

Speaker 16 (02:12:08):
Well, you know, I must tell you, I think it
was Donald Trump who showed us for the first time
what fake news was.

Speaker 9 (02:12:13):
You know, for the for.

Speaker 16 (02:12:14):
Generations, we thought the news was the news, and it
was objective, it was clear. But now we look behind
the headline. Now we read the articles. Now we understand that,
you know, it's more than what they say it is.
It's called gas lighting. They gaslight us all the time.
It's like Joe Biden, he came into the White House
and the Trojan horse.

Speaker 4 (02:12:33):
Oh, I'm a moderate.

Speaker 16 (02:12:34):
Meanwhile all the little people run into the White House
and are running this country. Is though, it's a Marxist state.
And you're right, it's not Republican or democrat. We talk
about schools or education, but it's part of a Marxist ideology.
And that's the socialism that's going on here where the
progressive das who know nothing about prosecuting and who prefer
to elect criminals out well, the victims just you know,

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they can just flounder. Hey, you had a rough day
at it too bad. We got to take care of
this criminal it is. It is about, you know, the
state taking over our children and owning our children. And
I talk about it in Crimes against America, which, by
the way, in addition, you can get a judge jabook
dot com. You can get it real fast that.

Speaker 6 (02:13:15):
Way, Judge a book.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
I'll have my I'll have my producer ad that, I'll
have her add I have him add that to the
link as well. Judge nine pero, you know, the only
problem is you just aren't passionate enough about this subject matter.
It has been a real pleasure having you on. Everybody's
going to get a copy of Crimes against America, the
left's take down of our republic. Get it, read it
and share it with a friend. We'll be watching you
on the five. Thank you so much.

Speaker 16 (02:13:36):
I'll be there. Thank you.