July 31, 2025 • 43 mins
What if the safety of your community was at risk due to a chronic police shortage? Join us in this urgent conversation with Sarah Heringer, who courageously shares her personal journey of loss and the ongoing struggle with crime in Cincinnati's Over-the-Rhine area. Together, we examine the critical shortage of police officers, exacerbated by hiring freezes and budget constraints since 2008, and stress the importance of city leaders prioritizing public safety to prevent further tragedies like Sarah's.
Sarah discusses the challenges faced by local businesses in Cincinnati, where crime poses a significant threat to the downtown area's vibrancy. Despite robust support for local enterprises, there's palpable frustration with city leadership's muted response to crime and their lack of vocal backing for law enforcement. We explore whether political pressures are silencing city leaders and underscore the judicial system's crucial role in maintaining community safety, all while highlighting Sarah's heartbreaking story as a catalyst for change.
Lastly, we address the growing issue of juvenile crime and the broader lack of accountability in government-funded programs aimed at reducing violence. With millions invested and no clear success metrics, Sarah emphasizes the need for transparency and measurable outcomes.
Sarah discusses the challenges faced by local businesses in Cincinnati, where crime poses a significant threat to the downtown area's vibrancy. Despite robust support for local enterprises, there's palpable frustration with city leadership's muted response to crime and their lack of vocal backing for law enforcement. We explore whether political pressures are silencing city leaders and underscore the judicial system's crucial role in maintaining community safety, all while highlighting Sarah's heartbreaking story as a catalyst for change.
Lastly, we address the growing issue of juvenile crime and the broader lack of accountability in government-funded programs aimed at reducing violence. With millions invested and no clear success metrics, Sarah emphasizes the need for transparency and measurable outcomes.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Seven o five if you're a fifty five kirc DE
talk station. Bryan Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday Eve.
Secretary State Frank Leroo is coming up a one hour
follow by. I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff every
Thursday at eight thirty. In the meantime, I am honored,
blessed to have in studio Sarah Herringer and apologies right
out of the gate, Sarah, I have been saying herring
(00:37):
juror since your story broke June fourth, when she lost
her husband to a horrific murder in their apartment and
over the Rhine. No need to dwell on the details
on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering from the
aftermath of that. But Sarah Herringer, it is great heaving
you in citity to talk about some of the problems
that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst and most
(00:57):
horrific of problems in what happened on June four. But
as we were talking before the segment started, the idea
of crime in over the rhyme, You've had plenty of
experience with it. This isn't something new.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's not something new, It's been something that's been building
and cumulating for quite some time. And at this point
we are seeing the fruits of the labor of the
city leadership really being harvested or coming to its fullness
right now. This is not something where all of a
sudden in the summer of twenty twenty five, wow we
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have crime issues.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, earlier in the program just
to think before the top of the our news break
and I had mentioned to see that I brought it up.
We didn't just wake up in the city one day
and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
problem that's been building for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
A really long time to my understanding, even back to
two thousand and eight where they're recession so hiing freeze.
But those are things that you're able to project and
see coming, and any type of business a private corporation
would not just stand by and just be like, oh,
(02:13):
oh well, or not have to change their strategy in
order to recruit to.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Compensate for that deficit. This is not something I.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Mean, there's been a really long runway to be able
to predict and see where there's going to be a
lack of police force, and there just hasn't been any
action or necessary action, the right kind of action to
fix it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person, when you
put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
city is safety.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
in the city, in order to courage any business to
invest in the city, you're going to have to have
at least a perception of a very safe city. So
failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
(03:09):
depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
not currently in a situation where there's not money for
public safety. The money is being given elsewhere, it's not
it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
And I mean safety is a is a basic human need.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It is like it's.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're not we're not asking for you know, the whole
Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here, we're
asking for safety.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are.
We live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things.
And as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
been on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out
of nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living
(04:06):
hell out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight
led out to it. It's so appalling, That's that's why
so many people click on it, I.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Think, Yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there had
been a fight between two grown men, the mob response
to it, and then the woman who was beat just
by it and by just standing there and checking like that,
those are You're just like, what has happened?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Why are we? Why are people acting like this? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
twice about?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, no hesitation.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Clearly the folks involved in him thought nothing about it.
And again that maybe is the reflection of a broader
societal problem. But amid this seemingly broader societal breakdown, if
you want to call it the evolution or problem we're
facing with just lack of morals, ethic, logic and reason.
That's at the time when you need the police, that's
when you need more of it. You need a bigger
(05:05):
police presence, you need apparently by all reports, three o'clock
in the morning Saturday, when this is out three total
officers available.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
us as well. Uh, and how is that safe for
the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
good question, you know, like it think.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
About the safety of the police, you think about the
safety of the community.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But no, and they're they're human beings. It's like what, Yeah,
if there is something like that going on, and it
tends to I mean even we've seen with juveniles it
being like more of a mob type thing. If you
are are one officer and backup is minutes away or
not or air, yeah, not there at all, what are
you going to do? It's unfair for them.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It really is. And you know, I had no really
put myself in the position of a police officer having
to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people like,
you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
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up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
over the right?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
those ten we've lived in OTR.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you decide you invested in the community.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Your late husband's business was right there by fimily market
as I understand it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
to be one of those people who was like, oh,
we have a business downtown.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But moving off to the suburbs of eaving when you go.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Home, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
in because I think that's far more powerful for for
people to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's what community is.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, I get a sense you embraced the idea of
doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
passion for the city. Yeah, absolutely, But actually, you know
to to choose to invest your dollars there. You thought
that was obviously a worthy endeavor. Did at some point
of leading up to June fourth, did you come to
(07:24):
a conclusion that, well, maybe you might have made the
wrong decision in that regard.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
the city is not safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Like that, that is very apparent.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And there had been times over the years where, uh,
you know, this is not the first interaction with crime. Unfortunately,
obviously not ones with such great consequences.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
There have been times where.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We're like, you know what if maybe we had opened
our business out in the suburbs, you know, there wouldn't
be these headaches.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I the thing that we that I've always loved
about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
don't see it's the city is so unique and the
fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
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this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
back to the people and they've allowed for them to
come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
everyone downtown they want to support local business. They don't
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want to go to chains. And that's the reason why
we chose downtown is because it's like starting a business.
There's a lot of risk to it, and you can
see it's very evident in the heart of everyone downtown
that they want it to thrive. And the local business
owners are the reason why Cincinnati got to where it's at.
(09:11):
And unfortunately, the leaders that we have elected to protect
our investment and protect the community are also going to
be the ones where it ultimately comes down to us
saying we've got to leave. We can't just keep investing
in something that you don't protect and you don't honor
the way that we've chosen to What can we do?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
the program every week, and one of his mantras his
repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with if
I can phrase it that way, admit the city leadership
for their failure to out loud and regularly support the
(09:55):
idea of the police working with the police, telling the
police the population the police are not they're not bad people.
They're in fact a wonderful organization that really is there
to help you, and so we need to work with them.
Let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration has been
deafening along those lines until, like I'm surprised it didn't
(10:16):
pop up right after June fourth, but in the aftermath
of what happened on Saturday, now you're seeing even folks
like Aftab Purval talk about crime being the most important
thing we need to address and deal with.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure.
And I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
of the reason for their silence and their fair to
outloud support police and failure to be forward thinking and
keeping the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable
level might be because of the left wing wing of
(11:05):
the Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink
the police department. So let's pause. We'll bring Sarah Herringerr
back and with further discussion. She is in studio for
the full hour, and I can't thank her enough for
stopping in and addressing these issues so important to every
resident of the city of Cincinnati. At seven sixteen, right now,
we'll be right back on Colway.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station, our iheartment.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
There is your Channel nine first Warning weather forecast. Sorry,
Sarah and I were engaged in conversation. I should have
spoke earlier, but here you go. We got midday storms
they say are very likely. Humidity will drop throughout the day,
leaving us a humid free day tomorrow. Today's high eighty three,
sixty five overnight rain moving out. Got a mostly sunny
date tomorrow with a high of eighty nice overnight lowell
(11:58):
of sixty one with clear guys, and Saturday is going
to be partly sunny and also eighty degrees seventy four degrees.
Right now, it's time for a traffic update, Chuck.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
From the UCUP Traffic Center. You see Healthway Laws Center
offering sergeic going medical obesity baron expertise called five one three,
nine three, nine two two sixty three. That's nine three
nine twenty two sixty three highway traffic. That's a slow
go around downtown right now thanks to closures.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I believe the Vice president is on the road.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Westbound two seventy five is closed in for seventy one,
So are all the rams from Newport to two seventy
five on southbound fourth seventy one. Chuck Ingram on fifty
five KERRA Seedy Talk Station, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Seven nineteen seven, twenty fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brian
Thomas with Sarah Herringerleido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered
on the fourth of June this year in their apartment
over the Rhine. And we're not going to dwell on that,
but it's the predicate for her being on the program
this morning, but also the predicate for her I would say,
wonderful activism. You have been an outspoken critic of the
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problems we're talking about here in the city of Cincinnati
since that happened, and it's terrible that that had to
lead to this. But I think you're doing a great
job of elevating to everyone else's attention some of the
big failures we have. I saw your post the other
day about the judicial system, and we're talking about that
before the program began, and that's one of the big
failures the judicial system. We have these you know, for
(13:27):
one of a better term, you can call them what
you want, I'm going to say liberal judges. I think
they've been convinced that the criminal justice system is somehow
unfair and that for whatever reason, bonds are a bad
thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds, and that meeting
out justice for people who have actually been convicted or
have you know, plead guilty or pled guilty rather to
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any given crime, aren't given enough time. It's almost like
a handslap, don't do it again, and lo and behold,
there they are back in court again, are involved with
the police again. So that's one that I think that's
the biggest problem that we face. By way of challenge.
If we all got on board and we all said, yes,
we need more police, We're going to do more lateral hires,
We're going to refill the ranks. We're going to start
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better patrolling. We'll come up with all the solutions for
the police department to do whatever's within their power to do.
If there's nobody on the tail end providing the justice
that's necessary, the deterrence effect that's part of the justice system,
then it's a pointless gesture. And I know you have
talked to officers and U and I told you before.
(14:31):
My sister's a retired police officer. She still has a
lot of friends and they stay in touch. And I've
talked to other people and we had a judge on yesterday,
Betsy Sunderman also the same conclusion that morale is in
the toilet and police don't have any incentive to actually
do their job and enforce the law.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Absolutely, yeah, you do, you see, you know not. And
the information that I posted is that's just scratching surface.
That that is, you know, some cases that we were
able to get a hold of and show.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
But it's just showing a trend.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, it's a single data point, but it's showing
a trend of what the judicial system is is doing
and they how they are interpreting the law and really
taking matters into their own hands instead of It's like,
if you're going to do that, then where is the
critical thinking. You're not supposed to write like it's supposed
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to be interpretation of the law. But you're just letting
these people out over and over and over again. And
the truth is is there are very few people who
are doing most of the crimes. It's not that you
know that, and that is why you're seeing them over
and over and over again. And there is there is
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no deterrence for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati.
They criminals are making fools of them. They are not
afraid of the cops, they are not afraid of judges.
They are are killing. There's a murder every single night.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And also the crime that is happening, all of those
can easily escalate to murder. So even when the chief
of police is saying, well we only have five percent
of crime as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the
other crimes that are happening can very easily turn into that.
(16:31):
And there is no fear happening like this. You know
what happened to Patrick. We were not out on the streets.
We were sleeping in our home. Yeah, and he entered
our home expecting right, yes, like not worried about it
(16:51):
at all. Yes, quite honestly. And when you have when
you have a certain population that none of us can
think the way they think, there's there, you know, that's
the whole thing. We even when you're talking about people
who want to be lenient on criminals, we don't.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Have the mind of them.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We we like that. That is not we. We would
never do something.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right in the right mind, would kick a door in
in the middle of the night, knowing full well that
someone was occupying that dwelling, you know, And if that
were to happen in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm
a proponent of the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right.
I'm a concealed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms
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in my home. I'm prepared for that situation.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So you see, see it does and it's it is
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It's it speaks volumes and being woken up at four
o'clock in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm
glad you made that point out, lawd it's time for
a break. We're going to continue this discussion because I
want you in my listeners about some of the other
crime that you personally and your late husband experience leading
up to June fourth, because I think some of my
listeners will be quite surprised about what I believe you
(18:11):
described as feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing
thing stuff, folks. It's seven twenty five right now, we'll
be right back with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away fifty
five KRC dot com.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Here's what's trending now.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Jopers, Shannon and I have first one to weather forecast.
Got a midday storms they say are very likely, so
expect some rain today and expect the humidity to drop
throughout the day, which is a welcome relief. Eighty three
for the high, overnight low sixty five clear. Sky's got
a sunny, beautiful day tomorrow with the high of eighty
and no humidity sixty one the overnight low clear. And
on Saturday, another partly sunny day, another high of eighty
seventy four degrees. Right now, let's get a traffic.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Update from the UCF Traffic Center. You see healthwave Ball
center offer sergic and medical abcdcaren expertise called five one
three nine three nine June two sixty three. That's nine
three nine two two six three sap pound seventy five
slows out of Lockland North found seventy five out of
Erlinger into the cut in westbound two seventy five, getting
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better from Kellogg through to four seventy one after being
shut down earlier. Chuck Ingram on fifty five krc the
talk station.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Seven nine here fifty five KRCD talk station, try to
have a happy Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the
subject matter we're dealing with here, and it is a
tragedy that gave rise to my conversation this morning here
with Sarah Herringer in studio lost her husband to murder
in their own home four o'clock in the morning, which
is obviously an illustration of at least one of the
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many problems we have in the city Cincinnati with crime.
And you know this can be a learned behavior. Sarah,
you were telling me about some of the crime that
you and your late husband experienced leading up to the
fourth because you've been in that area for about seven
years plus or minus. He had your business started there,
so you had a lot of interactions with you know,
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folks in the community, good and bad. Let my listeners
know about some of the what you described, And I
thought it was a great way you phrased it, these
feral gangs of children that you had encountered regularly.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely, every every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
there's uh here they come and you see packs of
children and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
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around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
nine of them, and there's there's one teenager you know,
that's in charge of all of them, and there's not
a parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like,
oh it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights
out in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Just our summers here are amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
running them up and there's zero supervision, parenting consideration for
their safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice
in the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last
seven plus years.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
people who work with human services and trying to provide
a better path in a better way. I mean, it
is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more discussions
I even can remember about that, and without fail, almost
one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at the
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criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of the
loss of the nuclear family, the fact that these children
don't live in a loving environment, even just if it's
one parent. And I think I mean that right there,
what you said, that they're somewhere where this child ultimately
goes and calls home, that there's not a person there
fretting and worrying over the fact that they're eighty nine
(22:00):
Your old child isn't home by midnight even, Oh yeah,
absolutely on any given night. I don't care if it's
a Saturday or Tuesday. No.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
that's where it starts. And that's why even you know,
thinking that prison is going to reform people, it's like
prison does not reform anyone. And you have to start
back at that age, back at that point. That starting
point is really where it begins is with children.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Absolutely, there has to be consequences and there really are none.
And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually
have none, what are you teaching them?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
system that way as well. If you're going to go
ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
the material in the grade they're in to learn anything,
but they will learn that regardless of how little effort
they put into the project, they're going to get moved forward.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
to him as a junior arsonist.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
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maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on
fire and when the fire and Marshall, who did an
exceptional job finding them, catching them right away.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It was not their first offense.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The one, the kid who had actually set fire to
the boxes, that was his third arson charge. And in
between the time of him being caught and booked for
arson of our truck and showing up for his first
day of court, he had also been tagged with a
agglevated burglary attempt.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so the.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This is a juvenile and you know, even if we
want to talk about the juvenile court system, I mean
that the whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first,
punished second. But that started back when kids were shoplifting,
not when they were doing the type of crime that
they are committing.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Now, and including gun crime.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
not the type that you're you know, a child that
has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
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the same outcomes right clearly, and you know, get the
getting the child, getting the kid to even show up.
We did press charges because we're like, listen, you set
our truck on fire, and this was not the first
time you did this. This was not a oh, I'm
gonna see what happens, and yeah, this is this is
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something that you're intentionally doing.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
They knew to cover their faces.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
they're well versed in this and and clearly I thought
nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
going through the court process and you see that they
don't show up. It ended up being far more of
a of a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick
getting subpoena all the time, and he's like, no, I
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don't want to charge the parents' money. I want this
kid to stop being a menace to society. And there's
nothing in the system to hold them accountable. So we
ended up just being like, just you know, leave it,
like it's I can't keep being subpoenaed and stop everything
that I'm doing. It was had been well more than
a year and we're still dealing with this. And the
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other thing was in the summer of twenty three and
this this was a really big issue. We're in the
market district, family market area, and our business was broken
into multiple times, now multiple businesses, over nine businesses in
that market area had been broken into. There is a
bar that ended up having to go out of business
because they were broken into so many times.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
At some point you're like, you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You're gonna be unensurable, you can't keep firing or filing.
And we you know, the business owners we had congregated,
we were we were meeting with city council, trying to
get help, trying to get help. I ended up having
to go to the media then as well in order
to get any type of response from the city. And
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then they put a beat cop down there during the
day so people coming in would feel safe, and it's like,
that is not when criminals are doing crime. So again
it's already then we see optics and not doing the
work to protect the business owners of that area. And
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the truth is there was no policing done. We had,
on our instance, they sent over a cop she had
a tiny little notepad. Uh, you were broken into, no fingerprints,
We had cameras, they did not ask for footage at all.
There was nothing as far as looking for the actual person.
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And then there was one one guy who was arrested,
the one who actually did the break in. One night,
we had seven people break in at once because the
one guy broke in and multiple people came in Patrick
had to go, my husband had to go and find
that person and have choice works because he kept trying
to break in during business hours. Even there's no the
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criminals do not fear police, they do not fear repercussions.
And so Patrick and that's you know, he handled it
in a way. He's a pretty intimidating looking guy. And
you know, the other guy didn't come back, but he
even went to the police and was like, I can
show you where he is. And the one that they
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they did end up arresting, who truly was mentally ill
and really didn't do a lot of harm. I actually
got a letter last week. It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey,
this guy didn't show up for his court dates, so
we've warrant to you know, we've worn out for his
arrest and if you need anything, called the victim's advocate.
And it's it's like it's just a it's a clown
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show the whole thing. You're like, there isn't going to
be justice with the current system that's happening. There's no
follow through. And yeah, I think you know there is
even down to a point which we talked about earlier,
and apathy that is coming that is so clear from
the police department at this point, because they're humans, and
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how many times can you just see the same criminal
release before you're like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Hernker back for a couple
more segments here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
who might decide to start working on some solution. And
speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
some of the ones that they have put in place
and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
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Speaker 1 (30:46):
Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRC the talk station
Brient Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
talking about problems in heroin in the system, and I
think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
the the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community
activism is supposed to be going on, funded by government
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that's to address the problems that we're talking about today.
Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act Act
Initiative initiative.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
lot of you know, really passionate, flowy language, you know,
trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
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beautiful for the community and that everyone would want. However,
the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
the numbers that I found is about five and a
half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
taxpayer money, right like, that's everything the government pays for
is course our money, and there is zero line by
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line on where this money is being spent. We know
it's going to nonprofits, we know it's going to consultants,
but there's also no metrics for success attached to it.
How will you know something is working? Where is the
transparency on accountability all of this money that's being put
into giving out sandwiches and hip hop classes, how is
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that deterring gun violence? And how can you prove that
this money being spent is doing exactly what it says
that it's going to be doing, and there just is
zero follow through, metrics, accountability, transparency, and it extends far
beyond just the Act initiative. There's really no published data betwind,
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spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs that they
the police have told me this that they just keep
renaming but they already know doesn't work. But they need
to put money somewhere. And that is a big problem
is they just keep funding and putting things and you know,
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paying people salaries.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
we brought, you cut the ribbon and then never talk
about it again.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No, absolutely no follow through. Do we know what we're
doing is working and this is how we're going to
measure it and if it's not, then we already have
a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes you need some trial
and error in order to get things to work, recognize,
but you have to have the accountability and transparency. And
I think that is the number one issue that we
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are seeing with our local government is there is zero
of that. There is zero transparency, there's zero accountability, and
they are not measuring or tracking and so you might
even have well intended and good people, but they're not
competent and enough to measure the outcomes of something because
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they don't exist and they think they're doing a great
job and they're not. And the results as we've seen
in Cincinnati speak for itself at the crime levels, I
think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever their
funding is not working.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not?
You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
but for but they're still on the upswitch. Yes, we're
not getting better than last year.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We're getting worse, Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the
downtown OTR area that is really skyrocketed in crime.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And destroying what they the very thing that they were
looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now, I'm
old enough I worked in over the Rhine of Finley
Market when I was in late high school in early college.
That was before any money was in. Yeah, it was
just really kind of comparatively a disaster visually, and but honestly,
I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
(35:04):
or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
there at five o'clock in the morning, and sometimes you
were you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes,
I was underage. They didn't really care back then, and
maybe not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was
there in different hours, but never I never was concerned.
Parked on the street, walked by myself to my car.
I wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then. However, Yeah,
I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
And this is because of right the current leadership that we.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Have, and I imagine it is probably having an impact
on real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent
six hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get
that back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and
the motive behind it to get young, money earning taxpayers
to move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that
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they talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
Why because they embrace this sort of liberal philosophy when
it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
We'll have a few more minutes with Sarah Herringer. Take
a quick break.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
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Give me mostly Clyde Today we're going to get some
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Tomorrow eighty and no more humidity. Overnight low sixty one
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the lateral chuck Ingram on fifty five k the talk
station be during through.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Seven fifty one fifty five krs the talk station closing
out this hour long discussion with Sarah Herringer, the widow
of Patrick Herringer, and we've been talking about the aftermath
of the tragedy that happened to their home on June fourth,
when someone broke into their home in the middle of
the night, four o'clock in the morning and stabbed her
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late husband to death. And this has given her a
platform to bring to everyone's attention, most notably those who
might not be inclined to vote in an election. I
will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah. I'm not going to
put words in your mouth, but at least you know
you're in a position because of this that people are
paying attention to what you're saying. Right, You're a provider
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of valuable information and with the spotlight on you, people
are like, oh my god. I did not know that
was going on. I did not know that we had
no accountability with these programs. I didn't realize the judicial
system was this broke when we got judges releasing these
repeat offenders over and over again. So I know my
listening audience, and I certainly applaud your efforts in doing
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this because, in spite of the tragedy you have to
deal with and continue to cope with, at least you
have the limelight for a while. Do you think there
is any possibility as we fast approached the November election,
we have a complete Democrat council, and I don't think
that necessarily means that they are against police or not.
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But we know over the past forty years what has
happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're down on police numbers.
We know they didn't get ahead of the police department
numbers loss. We know that they in some cases maybe
of allocated resources that should have gone to law enforcement
or public safety in other directions. Do you think there's
still hope for the city? I mean, would an administration
(39:00):
change or a shake up and the membership of council
or maybe the mayor. And I know it's an unlikely
scenario that the city's going to start, you know, maybe
turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a seat
change on council and leadership might help?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I would have to say yes that a seat change
would help. I also want to be critical of those
who just think if we, you know, changed over the
entire regime, then these problems would just go away overnight.
It's still power that is being abused. And what's really
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important for people to understand and to learn how to
navigate when we're intentionally not todd this. As Americans, you
get a Civics class in ninth grade when you're too
young and you don't care, and the rest of your
time is spent on stem. You only learn about the
political system if you choose to major as a political
science major. But there needs to be a demand of
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transparency and accountability for whomever is in leadership, and the
leadership now what they they could change? You know, if
we go back to cancel culture even it's like, why
don't you give people an opportunity to make changes and
show us can they or will they? And if they
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won't then yeah, I think that's a pretty good argument
for getting someone out and giving someone who is saying
that they're in alignment with your values and want what
you want a really good chance. And it is the truth,
you may not get that entirely, and so I don't
think we should put all of our eggs in one
(40:42):
basket of We need a complete new regime, We need
an entirely new leadership. We also need to learn how
to use our voices to hold those accountable who are there.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
am take a cheap shot at a have to have
prowall when he leaves town after knowing full well there
has been a terribly violent occurrence in the city and
he decides to leave in the afternoon and go on
vacation anyway, Yes, I said that out loud. I'm not
putting words in Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it
speaks volumes about a failed administration. Sarah. I I am
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a listening audience, and I pray for you, hope you know,
for your swift recovery in the aftermath. It's very an
emotional time for you. But again, I really truly applaud
your efforts and trying to get people engaged and involved.
And if you could ask something of my listening audience,
I mean, what would you say, I mean, be more
like me and bring this to people's attention, talk about
it more. I mean, any advice or something you would
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ask of them.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't tell them to be more
like me.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I would say, I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
for sure. But these are really important things and people.
I do believe that most people are good people. They're
doing the best that they can. And we all want
safe you know, safe home, safe communities, a place for
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us to have a good life, for us to create
beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Sarah Heringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
and I hope you continue. You got a good voice.
You have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
of people generally speaking for what you're doing in the
courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
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up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
place a phone call here to the fifty five cares
More and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
love having the studio.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yep, we'll come anytime.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
God bless you, Sarah, take care. Seven fifty seven, right
after top of the our news, or and hear from
Secretary of State Frank LeRose he just got back from
a meeting with Donald Trump regarding election integrity. That plus
I heard me the aviation expert Jay Ratliff, come on
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Fifty five KRC the talk station. This report is
Seven o five if you're a fifty five kirc DE
talk station. Bryan Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday Eve.
Secretary State Frank Leroo is coming up a one hour
follow by. I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff every
Thursday at eight thirty. In the meantime, I am honored,
blessed to have in studio Sarah Herringer and apologies right
out of the gate, Sarah, I have been saying herring
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juror since your story broke June fourth, when she lost
her husband to a horrific murder in their apartment and
over the Rhine. No need to dwell on the details
on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering from the
aftermath of that. But Sarah Herringer, it is great heaving
you in citity to talk about some of the problems
that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst and most
(00:57):
horrific of problems in what happened on June four. But
as we were talking before the segment started, the idea
of crime in over the rhyme, You've had plenty of
experience with it. This isn't something new.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's not something new, It's been something that's been building
and cumulating for quite some time. And at this point
we are seeing the fruits of the labor of the
city leadership really being harvested or coming to its fullness
right now. This is not something where all of a
sudden in the summer of twenty twenty five, wow we
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have crime issues.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, earlier in the program just
to think before the top of the our news break
and I had mentioned to see that I brought it up.
We didn't just wake up in the city one day
and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
problem that's been building for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
A really long time to my understanding, even back to
two thousand and eight where they're recession so hiing freeze.
But those are things that you're able to project and
see coming, and any type of business a private corporation
would not just stand by and just be like, oh,
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oh well, or not have to change their strategy in
order to recruit to.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Compensate for that deficit. This is not something I.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Mean, there's been a really long runway to be able
to predict and see where there's going to be a
lack of police force, and there just hasn't been any
action or necessary action, the right kind of action to
fix it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person, when you
put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
city is safety.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
in the city, in order to courage any business to
invest in the city, you're going to have to have
at least a perception of a very safe city. So
failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
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depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
not currently in a situation where there's not money for
public safety. The money is being given elsewhere, it's not
it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
And I mean safety is a is a basic human need.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It is like it's.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're not we're not asking for you know, the whole
Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here, we're
asking for safety.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are.
We live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things.
And as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
been on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out
of nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living
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hell out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight
led out to it. It's so appalling, That's that's why
so many people click on it, I.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Think, Yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there had
been a fight between two grown men, the mob response
to it, and then the woman who was beat just
by it and by just standing there and checking like that,
those are You're just like, what has happened?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Why are we? Why are people acting like this? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
twice about?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, no hesitation.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Clearly the folks involved in him thought nothing about it.
And again that maybe is the reflection of a broader
societal problem. But amid this seemingly broader societal breakdown, if
you want to call it the evolution or problem we're
facing with just lack of morals, ethic, logic and reason.
That's at the time when you need the police, that's
when you need more of it. You need a bigger
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police presence, you need apparently by all reports, three o'clock
in the morning Saturday, when this is out three total
officers available.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
us as well. Uh, and how is that safe for
the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
good question, you know, like it think.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
About the safety of the police, you think about the
safety of the community.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But no, and they're they're human beings. It's like what, Yeah,
if there is something like that going on, and it
tends to I mean even we've seen with juveniles it
being like more of a mob type thing. If you
are are one officer and backup is minutes away or
not or air, yeah, not there at all, what are
you going to do? It's unfair for them.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It really is. And you know, I had no really
put myself in the position of a police officer having
to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people like,
you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
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up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
over the right?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
those ten we've lived in OTR.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you decide you invested in the community.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Your late husband's business was right there by fimily market
as I understand it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
to be one of those people who was like, oh,
we have a business downtown.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But moving off to the suburbs of eaving when you go.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Home, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
in because I think that's far more powerful for for
people to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's what community is.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, I get a sense you embraced the idea of
doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
passion for the city. Yeah, absolutely, But actually, you know
to to choose to invest your dollars there. You thought
that was obviously a worthy endeavor. Did at some point
of leading up to June fourth, did you come to
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a conclusion that, well, maybe you might have made the
wrong decision in that regard.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
the city is not safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Like that, that is very apparent.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And there had been times over the years where, uh,
you know, this is not the first interaction with crime. Unfortunately,
obviously not ones with such great consequences.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
There have been times where.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We're like, you know what if maybe we had opened
our business out in the suburbs, you know, there wouldn't
be these headaches.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I the thing that we that I've always loved
about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
don't see it's the city is so unique and the
fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
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this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
back to the people and they've allowed for them to
come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
everyone downtown they want to support local business. They don't
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want to go to chains. And that's the reason why
we chose downtown is because it's like starting a business.
There's a lot of risk to it, and you can
see it's very evident in the heart of everyone downtown
that they want it to thrive. And the local business
owners are the reason why Cincinnati got to where it's at.
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And unfortunately, the leaders that we have elected to protect
our investment and protect the community are also going to
be the ones where it ultimately comes down to us
saying we've got to leave. We can't just keep investing
in something that you don't protect and you don't honor
the way that we've chosen to What can we do?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
the program every week, and one of his mantras his
repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with if
I can phrase it that way, admit the city leadership
for their failure to out loud and regularly support the
(09:55):
idea of the police working with the police, telling the
police the population the police are not they're not bad people.
They're in fact a wonderful organization that really is there
to help you, and so we need to work with them.
Let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration has been
deafening along those lines until, like I'm surprised it didn't
(10:16):
pop up right after June fourth, but in the aftermath
of what happened on Saturday, now you're seeing even folks
like Aftab Purval talk about crime being the most important
thing we need to address and deal with.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure.
And I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
of the reason for their silence and their fair to
outloud support police and failure to be forward thinking and
keeping the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable
level might be because of the left wing wing of
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the Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink
the police department. So let's pause. We'll bring Sarah Herringerr
back and with further discussion. She is in studio for
the full hour, and I can't thank her enough for
stopping in and addressing these issues so important to every
resident of the city of Cincinnati. At seven sixteen, right now,
we'll be right back on Colway.
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There is your Channel nine first Warning weather forecast. Sorry,
Sarah and I were engaged in conversation. I should have
spoke earlier, but here you go. We got midday storms
they say are very likely. Humidity will drop throughout the day,
leaving us a humid free day tomorrow. Today's high eighty three,
sixty five overnight rain moving out. Got a mostly sunny
date tomorrow with a high of eighty nice overnight lowell
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of sixty one with clear guys, and Saturday is going
to be partly sunny and also eighty degrees seventy four degrees.
Right now, it's time for a traffic update, Chuck.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
From the UCUP Traffic Center. You see Healthway Laws Center
offering sergeic going medical obesity baron expertise called five one three,
nine three, nine two two sixty three. That's nine three
nine twenty two sixty three highway traffic. That's a slow
go around downtown right now thanks to closures.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I believe the Vice president is on the road.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Westbound two seventy five is closed in for seventy one,
So are all the rams from Newport to two seventy
five on southbound fourth seventy one. Chuck Ingram on fifty
five KERRA Seedy Talk Station, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Seven nineteen seven, twenty fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brian
Thomas with Sarah Herringerleido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered
on the fourth of June this year in their apartment
over the Rhine. And we're not going to dwell on that,
but it's the predicate for her being on the program
this morning, but also the predicate for her I would say,
wonderful activism. You have been an outspoken critic of the
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problems we're talking about here in the city of Cincinnati
since that happened, and it's terrible that that had to
lead to this. But I think you're doing a great
job of elevating to everyone else's attention some of the
big failures we have. I saw your post the other
day about the judicial system, and we're talking about that
before the program began, and that's one of the big
failures the judicial system. We have these you know, for
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one of a better term, you can call them what
you want, I'm going to say liberal judges. I think
they've been convinced that the criminal justice system is somehow
unfair and that for whatever reason, bonds are a bad
thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds, and that meeting
out justice for people who have actually been convicted or
have you know, plead guilty or pled guilty rather to
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any given crime, aren't given enough time. It's almost like
a handslap, don't do it again, and lo and behold,
there they are back in court again, are involved with
the police again. So that's one that I think that's
the biggest problem that we face. By way of challenge.
If we all got on board and we all said, yes,
we need more police, We're going to do more lateral hires,
We're going to refill the ranks. We're going to start
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better patrolling. We'll come up with all the solutions for
the police department to do whatever's within their power to do.
If there's nobody on the tail end providing the justice
that's necessary, the deterrence effect that's part of the justice system,
then it's a pointless gesture. And I know you have
talked to officers and U and I told you before.
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My sister's a retired police officer. She still has a
lot of friends and they stay in touch. And I've
talked to other people and we had a judge on yesterday,
Betsy Sunderman also the same conclusion that morale is in
the toilet and police don't have any incentive to actually
do their job and enforce the law.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Absolutely, yeah, you do, you see, you know not. And
the information that I posted is that's just scratching surface.
That that is, you know, some cases that we were
able to get a hold of and show.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
But it's just showing a trend.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, it's a single data point, but it's showing
a trend of what the judicial system is is doing
and they how they are interpreting the law and really
taking matters into their own hands instead of It's like,
if you're going to do that, then where is the
critical thinking. You're not supposed to write like it's supposed
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to be interpretation of the law. But you're just letting
these people out over and over and over again. And
the truth is is there are very few people who
are doing most of the crimes. It's not that you
know that, and that is why you're seeing them over
and over and over again. And there is there is
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no deterrence for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati.
They criminals are making fools of them. They are not
afraid of the cops, they are not afraid of judges.
They are are killing. There's a murder every single night.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And also the crime that is happening, all of those
can easily escalate to murder. So even when the chief
of police is saying, well we only have five percent
of crime as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the
other crimes that are happening can very easily turn into that.
(16:31):
And there is no fear happening like this. You know
what happened to Patrick. We were not out on the streets.
We were sleeping in our home. Yeah, and he entered
our home expecting right, yes, like not worried about it
(16:51):
at all. Yes, quite honestly. And when you have when
you have a certain population that none of us can
think the way they think, there's there, you know, that's
the whole thing. We even when you're talking about people
who want to be lenient on criminals, we don't.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Have the mind of them.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We we like that. That is not we. We would
never do something.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right in the right mind, would kick a door in
in the middle of the night, knowing full well that
someone was occupying that dwelling, you know, And if that
were to happen in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm
a proponent of the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right.
I'm a concealed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms
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in my home. I'm prepared for that situation.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So you see, see it does and it's it is
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It's it speaks volumes and being woken up at four
o'clock in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm
glad you made that point out, lawd it's time for
a break. We're going to continue this discussion because I
want you in my listeners about some of the other
crime that you personally and your late husband experience leading
up to June fourth, because I think some of my
listeners will be quite surprised about what I believe you
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described as feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing
thing stuff, folks. It's seven twenty five right now, we'll
be right back with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away fifty
five KRC dot com.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Here's what's trending now.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Jopers, Shannon and I have first one to weather forecast.
Got a midday storms they say are very likely, so
expect some rain today and expect the humidity to drop
throughout the day, which is a welcome relief. Eighty three
for the high, overnight low sixty five clear. Sky's got
a sunny, beautiful day tomorrow with the high of eighty
and no humidity sixty one the overnight low clear. And
on Saturday, another partly sunny day, another high of eighty
seventy four degrees. Right now, let's get a traffic.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Update from the UCF Traffic Center. You see healthwave Ball
center offer sergic and medical abcdcaren expertise called five one
three nine three nine June two sixty three. That's nine
three nine two two six three sap pound seventy five
slows out of Lockland North found seventy five out of
Erlinger into the cut in westbound two seventy five, getting
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better from Kellogg through to four seventy one after being
shut down earlier. Chuck Ingram on fifty five krc the
talk station.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Seven nine here fifty five KRCD talk station, try to
have a happy Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the
subject matter we're dealing with here, and it is a
tragedy that gave rise to my conversation this morning here
with Sarah Herringer in studio lost her husband to murder
in their own home four o'clock in the morning, which
is obviously an illustration of at least one of the
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many problems we have in the city Cincinnati with crime.
And you know this can be a learned behavior. Sarah,
you were telling me about some of the crime that
you and your late husband experienced leading up to the
fourth because you've been in that area for about seven
years plus or minus. He had your business started there,
so you had a lot of interactions with you know,
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folks in the community, good and bad. Let my listeners
know about some of the what you described, And I
thought it was a great way you phrased it, these
feral gangs of children that you had encountered regularly.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely, every every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
there's uh here they come and you see packs of
children and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
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around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
nine of them, and there's there's one teenager you know,
that's in charge of all of them, and there's not
a parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like,
oh it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights
out in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Just our summers here are amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
running them up and there's zero supervision, parenting consideration for
their safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice
in the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last
seven plus years.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
people who work with human services and trying to provide
a better path in a better way. I mean, it
is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more discussions
I even can remember about that, and without fail, almost
one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at the
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criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of the
loss of the nuclear family, the fact that these children
don't live in a loving environment, even just if it's
one parent. And I think I mean that right there,
what you said, that they're somewhere where this child ultimately
goes and calls home, that there's not a person there
fretting and worrying over the fact that they're eighty nine
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Your old child isn't home by midnight even, Oh yeah,
absolutely on any given night. I don't care if it's
a Saturday or Tuesday. No.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
that's where it starts. And that's why even you know,
thinking that prison is going to reform people, it's like
prison does not reform anyone. And you have to start
back at that age, back at that point. That starting
point is really where it begins is with children.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Absolutely, there has to be consequences and there really are none.
And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually
have none, what are you teaching them?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
system that way as well. If you're going to go
ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
the material in the grade they're in to learn anything,
but they will learn that regardless of how little effort
they put into the project, they're going to get moved forward.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
to him as a junior arsonist.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
(23:37):
maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on
fire and when the fire and Marshall, who did an
exceptional job finding them, catching them right away.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It was not their first offense.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The one, the kid who had actually set fire to
the boxes, that was his third arson charge. And in
between the time of him being caught and booked for
arson of our truck and showing up for his first
day of court, he had also been tagged with a
agglevated burglary attempt.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so the.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This is a juvenile and you know, even if we
want to talk about the juvenile court system, I mean
that the whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first,
punished second. But that started back when kids were shoplifting,
not when they were doing the type of crime that
they are committing.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Now, and including gun crime.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
not the type that you're you know, a child that
has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
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the same outcomes right clearly, and you know, get the
getting the child, getting the kid to even show up.
We did press charges because we're like, listen, you set
our truck on fire, and this was not the first
time you did this. This was not a oh, I'm
gonna see what happens, and yeah, this is this is
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something that you're intentionally doing.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
They knew to cover their faces.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
they're well versed in this and and clearly I thought
nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
going through the court process and you see that they
don't show up. It ended up being far more of
a of a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick
getting subpoena all the time, and he's like, no, I
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don't want to charge the parents' money. I want this
kid to stop being a menace to society. And there's
nothing in the system to hold them accountable. So we
ended up just being like, just you know, leave it,
like it's I can't keep being subpoenaed and stop everything
that I'm doing. It was had been well more than
a year and we're still dealing with this. And the
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other thing was in the summer of twenty three and
this this was a really big issue. We're in the
market district, family market area, and our business was broken
into multiple times, now multiple businesses, over nine businesses in
that market area had been broken into. There is a
bar that ended up having to go out of business
because they were broken into so many times.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
At some point you're like, you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You're gonna be unensurable, you can't keep firing or filing.
And we you know, the business owners we had congregated,
we were we were meeting with city council, trying to
get help, trying to get help. I ended up having
to go to the media then as well in order
to get any type of response from the city. And
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then they put a beat cop down there during the
day so people coming in would feel safe, and it's like,
that is not when criminals are doing crime. So again
it's already then we see optics and not doing the
work to protect the business owners of that area. And
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the truth is there was no policing done. We had,
on our instance, they sent over a cop she had
a tiny little notepad. Uh, you were broken into, no fingerprints,
We had cameras, they did not ask for footage at all.
There was nothing as far as looking for the actual person.
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And then there was one one guy who was arrested,
the one who actually did the break in. One night,
we had seven people break in at once because the
one guy broke in and multiple people came in Patrick
had to go, my husband had to go and find
that person and have choice works because he kept trying
to break in during business hours. Even there's no the
(28:05):
criminals do not fear police, they do not fear repercussions.
And so Patrick and that's you know, he handled it
in a way. He's a pretty intimidating looking guy. And
you know, the other guy didn't come back, but he
even went to the police and was like, I can
show you where he is. And the one that they
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they did end up arresting, who truly was mentally ill
and really didn't do a lot of harm. I actually
got a letter last week. It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey,
this guy didn't show up for his court dates, so
we've warrant to you know, we've worn out for his
arrest and if you need anything, called the victim's advocate.
And it's it's like it's just a it's a clown
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show the whole thing. You're like, there isn't going to
be justice with the current system that's happening. There's no
follow through. And yeah, I think you know there is
even down to a point which we talked about earlier,
and apathy that is coming that is so clear from
the police department at this point, because they're humans, and
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how many times can you just see the same criminal
release before you're like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Hernker back for a couple
more segments here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
who might decide to start working on some solution. And
speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
some of the ones that they have put in place
and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
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fruit along the positive lines directions seven thirty nine. Right now,
if you have KRC, the talk station OKAUEH fifty five KRC,
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very likely right through that because the humidity will drop
throughout the day of going to eight. Are going up
to eighty three today down to sixty five overnight midty gone.
(30:04):
We're going a beautiful day tomorrow, eighty degrees with sunny skies,
overnight low sixty one clear and a partly sunny Saturday
with a high of eighty degrees seventy five. Right now,
time for a traffic update. Chuck from the.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
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You can add an extra three to four minutes out
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No longer a delay between KEW Bogg and for seventy one.
Chuck Ingram Month fifty five KRC the talk station.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRC the talk station
Brient Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
talking about problems in heroin in the system, and I
think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
the the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community
activism is supposed to be going on, funded by government
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that's to address the problems that we're talking about today.
Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act Act
Initiative initiative.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
lot of you know, really passionate, flowy language, you know,
trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
(31:39):
beautiful for the community and that everyone would want. However,
the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
the numbers that I found is about five and a
half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
taxpayer money, right like, that's everything the government pays for
is course our money, and there is zero line by
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line on where this money is being spent. We know
it's going to nonprofits, we know it's going to consultants,
but there's also no metrics for success attached to it.
How will you know something is working? Where is the
transparency on accountability all of this money that's being put
into giving out sandwiches and hip hop classes, how is
(32:28):
that deterring gun violence? And how can you prove that
this money being spent is doing exactly what it says
that it's going to be doing, and there just is
zero follow through, metrics, accountability, transparency, and it extends far
beyond just the Act initiative. There's really no published data betwind,
(32:49):
spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs that they
the police have told me this that they just keep
renaming but they already know doesn't work. But they need
to put money somewhere. And that is a big problem
is they just keep funding and putting things and you know,
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paying people salaries.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
we brought, you cut the ribbon and then never talk
about it again.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No, absolutely no follow through. Do we know what we're
doing is working and this is how we're going to
measure it and if it's not, then we already have
a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes you need some trial
and error in order to get things to work, recognize,
but you have to have the accountability and transparency. And
I think that is the number one issue that we
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are seeing with our local government is there is zero
of that. There is zero transparency, there's zero accountability, and
they are not measuring or tracking and so you might
even have well intended and good people, but they're not
competent and enough to measure the outcomes of something because
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they don't exist and they think they're doing a great
job and they're not. And the results as we've seen
in Cincinnati speak for itself at the crime levels, I
think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever their
funding is not working.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not?
You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
but for but they're still on the upswitch. Yes, we're
not getting better than last year.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We're getting worse, Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the
downtown OTR area that is really skyrocketed in crime.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And destroying what they the very thing that they were
looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now, I'm
old enough I worked in over the Rhine of Finley
Market when I was in late high school in early college.
That was before any money was in. Yeah, it was
just really kind of comparatively a disaster visually, and but honestly,
I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
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or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
there at five o'clock in the morning, and sometimes you
were you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes,
I was underage. They didn't really care back then, and
maybe not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was
there in different hours, but never I never was concerned.
Parked on the street, walked by myself to my car.
I wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then. However, Yeah,
I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
And this is because of right the current leadership that we.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Have, and I imagine it is probably having an impact
on real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent
six hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get
that back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and
the motive behind it to get young, money earning taxpayers
to move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that
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they talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
Why because they embrace this sort of liberal philosophy when
it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
We'll have a few more minutes with Sarah Herringer. Take
a quick break.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Here be right back fifty five KRC. Here's your channel
nine first one to one forecast. Put a smile on
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Speaker 1 (36:19):
Give me mostly Clyde Today we're going to get some
midday storms which they say are very likely. But rejoice.
It's going to just go up to eighty three degrees
and the humidity is going to be leaving the area today,
which is great. Overnight low sixty five, clear skies, sunny skies,
Tomorrow eighty and no more humidity. Overnight low sixty one
with clear skies and a partly sunny Saturday. And I
have eighty seventy four degrees right now. Time for traffic
(36:42):
from the UCL Traffic Center.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
UC Health Weight Loss Center offers surgical and medical OBCD
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sixty three northbound seventy five break lights continue to build
an extra five minutes between Donaldson and downtown. I've been
seventy five getting heavier or coming out of the block
when split everything clears by the time you get past
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the lateral chuck Ingram on fifty five k the talk
station be during through.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Seven fifty one fifty five krs the talk station closing
out this hour long discussion with Sarah Herringer, the widow
of Patrick Herringer, and we've been talking about the aftermath
of the tragedy that happened to their home on June fourth,
when someone broke into their home in the middle of
the night, four o'clock in the morning and stabbed her
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late husband to death. And this has given her a
platform to bring to everyone's attention, most notably those who
might not be inclined to vote in an election. I
will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah. I'm not going to
put words in your mouth, but at least you know
you're in a position because of this that people are
paying attention to what you're saying. Right, You're a provider
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of valuable information and with the spotlight on you, people
are like, oh my god. I did not know that
was going on. I did not know that we had
no accountability with these programs. I didn't realize the judicial
system was this broke when we got judges releasing these
repeat offenders over and over again. So I know my
listening audience, and I certainly applaud your efforts in doing
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this because, in spite of the tragedy you have to
deal with and continue to cope with, at least you
have the limelight for a while. Do you think there
is any possibility as we fast approached the November election,
we have a complete Democrat council, and I don't think
that necessarily means that they are against police or not.
(38:39):
But we know over the past forty years what has
happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're down on police numbers.
We know they didn't get ahead of the police department
numbers loss. We know that they in some cases maybe
of allocated resources that should have gone to law enforcement
or public safety in other directions. Do you think there's
still hope for the city? I mean, would an administration
(39:00):
change or a shake up and the membership of council
or maybe the mayor. And I know it's an unlikely
scenario that the city's going to start, you know, maybe
turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a seat
change on council and leadership might help?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I would have to say yes that a seat change
would help. I also want to be critical of those
who just think if we, you know, changed over the
entire regime, then these problems would just go away overnight.
It's still power that is being abused. And what's really
(39:36):
important for people to understand and to learn how to
navigate when we're intentionally not todd this. As Americans, you
get a Civics class in ninth grade when you're too
young and you don't care, and the rest of your
time is spent on stem. You only learn about the
political system if you choose to major as a political
science major. But there needs to be a demand of
(40:00):
transparency and accountability for whomever is in leadership, and the
leadership now what they they could change? You know, if
we go back to cancel culture even it's like, why
don't you give people an opportunity to make changes and
show us can they or will they? And if they
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won't then yeah, I think that's a pretty good argument
for getting someone out and giving someone who is saying
that they're in alignment with your values and want what
you want a really good chance. And it is the truth,
you may not get that entirely, and so I don't
think we should put all of our eggs in one
(40:42):
basket of We need a complete new regime, We need
an entirely new leadership. We also need to learn how
to use our voices to hold those accountable who are there.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
am take a cheap shot at a have to have
prowall when he leaves town after knowing full well there
has been a terribly violent occurrence in the city and
he decides to leave in the afternoon and go on
vacation anyway, Yes, I said that out loud. I'm not
putting words in Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it
speaks volumes about a failed administration. Sarah. I I am
(41:17):
a listening audience, and I pray for you, hope you know,
for your swift recovery in the aftermath. It's very an
emotional time for you. But again, I really truly applaud
your efforts and trying to get people engaged and involved.
And if you could ask something of my listening audience,
I mean, what would you say, I mean, be more
like me and bring this to people's attention, talk about
it more. I mean, any advice or something you would
(41:38):
ask of them.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't tell them to be more
like me.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I would say, I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
for sure. But these are really important things and people.
I do believe that most people are good people. They're
doing the best that they can. And we all want
safe you know, safe home, safe communities, a place for
(42:02):
us to have a good life, for us to create
beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Sarah Heringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
and I hope you continue. You got a good voice.
You have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
of people generally speaking for what you're doing in the
courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
(42:39):
up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
place a phone call here to the fifty five cares
More and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
love having the studio.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yep, we'll come anytime.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
God bless you, Sarah, take care. Seven fifty seven, right
after top of the our news, or and hear from
Secretary of State Frank LeRose he just got back from
a meeting with Donald Trump regarding election integrity. That plus
I heard me the aviation expert Jay Ratliff, come on
bottom the hour at eight thirty. Stick around us. Happens fast,
stay up to date. At the top of the hour,
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