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TATO five fifty five KRCD Talk Station Rin Thomas swissing
everyone a happy Friday, and I hope you have some
great plans going on this week. A bit of a
sommer note. Bring Sarah Herringer, a bit Sarah Heringer back
into the studio. And I'm sure everybody in my listening
audience is familiar with the name. She is a widow
thanks to a guy named Mordecai Black who cut off
his ankle monitor. He was out on parole. He was
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out wandering about for months, no indication that law enforcement
had any idea at all that he had cut off
his ankle monitor. And he broke into their home, Patrick
Herringer and Sarah Herringer's home and over the rhine where
they have had a business, and stabbed Patrick Herringer to
death right in front of his wife Sarah, and Patrick
died saving his wife's life. Sarah Herringer, the widow, is
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in studio to talk about what she's trying to do,
and that's bring about some sanity here in the state
of Ohio. Like real time monitoring of ankle monitors. Sarah,
it's good to have you back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Thanks, it's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I wish you didn't have to be famous for the
reasons you are famous now, but I'm glad to see
that you're spreading the word and knowledge and information is
really powerful. I had a caller earlier in the program
who suggested, you know, oh, we have these ankle monitor
programs because it just all makes us feel like something's
being done. Well, he's got an ankle monitor, and naturally
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the authorities are monitoring it, and he's defined. He's confined
to a certain place, like the confines of his home
and maybe the place where he works, that's all. And
if he goes out of those areas, some alarm are
going to go off somewhere. Law enforcement's going to be notified,
and they're going to go after him and try to
pick him up. That makes sense, and that's what we
are led to believe. This is how the system works,
is it not?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Absolutely? I mean, I am one of the people who
found out that ankle monitors do not monitor in real time,
and that currently when you disable one, it also doesn't
trigger any kind of alarm.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
That in and of itself is hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, as soon as I found out, I likened it
to Jurassic Park when the fences go off, and I
was like, okay, and the I mean, the thing is is,
obviously we do not know that. The people who put
ankle monitors on know that. And the unfortunate thing is
all of the criminals, the felons wearing the ankle monitors
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are the ones who know that they don't work in
track in real time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So you anticipated my next question, is this word gotten
out already? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean everyone knows that. I mean, they all
know that. And it's another example of where optics over
true outcomes. It's like, what's the entire what's the purpose?
Why would you put an ankle monitor on to begin
with if it's that ineffective?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well exactly, And you know, I considering your case and
what we all now are aware of thanks to you
bringing this to everybody's attention, they're not monitoring them, and
the powers that be are aware that that's knowing not
going on. One of the defendants in that you'll I
beat down was in front of a judge yesterday and
told that she had to be where she had to
wear an ankle monitor. He lowered her bond from two
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hundred thousand dollars down to twenty five thousand dollars to
ten percent twenty five hundred dollars bond, but she has
to wear an electronic monitoring device. And Fox nineteen reported
that the judge warned her attorney that if she tampered
with her ankle monitor in any way, she would provoke
her bond and she'd be locked up in jener until
the case went to trial. Well that's fine, that's all
well and good, but the judge also knows that tampering
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with an ankle monitor or removing it is not going
to result in alarm going off.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Correct, So it's just a threat that they put out
there in order to do their due diligence. Hey, there
are consequences if you do that, but there has to
be the thing has to be effective in order for
it to work outside. I mean, at this point, we
already know that these are people who don't follow the
law and don't do what they're told.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes, yes, demonstrably. So this sad thing. And I've expressed
outright anger over finding this out again as a consequence
of your work since learned that. Back in twenty twenty two,
the Ohio House passed by a ninety two to one
vote a requirement that real time monitoring of ankle bracelets. Yes,
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it was passed. No, I mean bipartisanship doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
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Speaker 1 (04:23):
You have something that almost one hundredercent passed and it
went over to the Senate committee and it died there.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, yeah, we uh, Cindy Abrams, she's looking into that
because it's why did it die there, you know, and
asking the individuals that are named and listed, what was
the point of that? But it's it is it's enraging
to find out that there is an entire group of
lawmakers that have all decided. And this entire thing came
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about because of the Reagan Tooks case, which I don't
know if you're familiar with, well you wrote about it, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Ryan's Goldsby wore z ankle monitor the night he kidnapped, raped,
and murdered Reagan Toaks. This isn't from Serrenga's online letters.
She wrote about this. He didn't need to cut it off.
He knew no one was watching in real time his
GPS trails showed every move, but that was only reviewed
after she was shot dead after being raped and kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Absolutely, they have it right there, it's right there. Yeah,
and her mother did so much work to get the
bill to or the act, you know, to that point
where it passes, the governor signs off on it, it
goes to the Senate committee and they just outright said no,
and then it doesn't go you know, to a larger
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vote in order to be passed into law. And I
tell me why that would make sense on you know
what level? There's money available.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, there's money available, and there are literally lives at
stake here. I mean, you cited several different other illustrations
beyond your own personal experience and losing your husband because
of this, that it's happened before, and it may have
happened a whole bunch more than you even are aware of.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah. That that is one thing I've been looking into,
and it's actually it's it's very hard to find information
of how many people have had ankle monitors on and
committed crimes or they've popped them, you know, they've disabled
them or removed them in some way, and they've created
they've reoffended Uh, that's information that I haven't really been
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able to get a hold of yet. I think that
would be really great job for the media and investigating
journalism to maybe to start building this case and showing
people right there as the information comes out. It's it's
all things that we don't know, but we absolutely should
so we can get behind something and make it make
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a change.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well a change benefit's literally everyone, yes, anybody and lives.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, again, going back to your very profound point, it's
almost like stating the obvious, but it's worthy were repeating.
These people have already demonstrated they will not follow the law.
They have committed crimes which have brought them to prison
resulting in probation and ankle monitoring or placed on bond
for having committed a heinous crime. They have to be
held accountable. They've demonstrated that they don't care.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Right, Yes, I think another thing to look at too
is how many of them reoffend or continue to break parole.
When it comes to Mordecai Black, he'd spent nineteen of
his last twenty years incarcerated, and that was because every
time he was out he reoffended, oftentimes breaking the parole
that he was on. And that's also information that we
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really should be taking into account, that judges should absolutely
be taking into account is how many times is this
person offended?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Without question? Yeah, and if they've demonstrated a willingness to
violate parole, then maybe you don't let them out right, Yes,
that's the justice system.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
If you can't play nice, Yeah, then you can all
go play with each other in a place called prison.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Phrasing. I do like that, Sarah, Thank you for that
little bit of levity, at least as I interpreted it. Yes,
all right, so we will go ahead and name names,
considering we have the list of senators on the Senate
Judiciary Committee who let this thing die. Chairman Nathan H. Manning,
Republican Republican, Michelle Reynolds, Vice Chair, Louis Blessing, Republican, Republican,
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Al Katrona, Republican Teresa Gavroni, Democrats Paula Hicks Hudson, and
Democrat Ken Smith. So you had a bipartisan group of
folks who let this thing die. It's not going to
happen again.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, I cannot imagine it will. I'll be working with
Cindy Abrams and plan on addressing the Senate myself and
have them look me in the eye and tell me
that it is not worth passing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I love that. And what we were talking about is
the Patrick Herringer Act, which will require everyone to be
real time monitored, and that's going to be addressed, I
guess in the fall session, and we will definitely see
that it gets passed. I know my morning show listeners
will be more than happy to contact their elected officials
to make it happen and not let it die in
the Senate. Let me ask out loud. But as we'll
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move into a break, perhaps this has something to do
with money. Do we have enough money to do this?
Do we know what it's going to cost to hire
people to follow it? I think it's a worthy expenditure,
considering all of our lives are at least theoretically at stake.
Here ask Sarah. It's a fifteen right now. If you
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in studio, the return of Sarah Herringer lost her husband
in that terrible, terrible stabbing in their apartment over the Rhine.
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I'm going back to the Patrick Herringer Act, which ken
we're going to get past this fall. It would require
real time monitoring, actually, someone literally paying attention to folks
out there on ankle monitors so they can't cut them off,
so they can't, you know, wander around for months before
committing their next crime. Is this is and again the
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idea that this was passed overwhelmingly in the Ohio House
only to die in the Senate committee. Do you know
whether this was a money issue, Sarah, I means like, no,
we can't do that. That's going to cost us'll have
a taxpayer too much money.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I would assume it had to come down to a
dollar amount. Why else would it be rejected when when
it comes to right kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's why I'm angry about it, I can't. I mean,
I'm trying to be Switzerland neutrality here and trying to
figure out what would stop this from happening, and you know,
one might say, well, we really don't have the technology
to do this real time, and I would throw a
BS flag on that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You might do the technology exists, we do have it,
you know. And the other part of it too is
also the and part of the act is having the
the alerts go to the local police departments right and
have them notified. It's it's not even enough that it's like, well,
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when when this happens, when the acle monitor you know,
the notification, where does it go, who's monitoring it, what
happens to it, who's responding, And there just needs to
be a faster and more you know, urgency behind the
apprehension of someone who's done this.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, how about like an Amber alert? Yeah, I mean,
if a child goes missing, you get an Amber alert
almost immediately as soon as the authorities are made aware.
They've got a central system that sends out the messages, right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And about that, and they also they treat you know,
different felons differently. To my understanding, I've been speaking with
some of the local police officers here, and when it
comes to sex offenders, they get notified immediately for that, thankfully, thankfully, Yes,
And there can't just be you know, like this one's
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worse than all of the others, so you know there
should be it's in it. But it shows again that
there is already a system and technology in place for
a certain type of criminal, for a certain type of alert.
So why wouldn't we just put that across the board
with anyone wearing an ankle monitor and also notify the
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police for anyone who has gone a wall, and especially
violent criminals, not just ones who have created sex crimes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And to the extent they want to prioritize their efforts
in rounding that person off. Well, it's a low level offender.
The person got, you know, busted for third offense stealing
sodas or something for a convenience store, was serving minor
amount of time, or was out on probation with an
ankle monitor over a non violent offense. We're not going
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to prioritize our efforts to get that guy. But we
know he's out there because we got the alert, right,
it seems manageable. And then the child molester comes out,
All right, all man on deck, We're all gonna go
out and search for this pervert. Absolutely, that's the way
you manage that And the other thing is we have
geo fencing. I mean you can program your cell phone
and your your your dog ankle or your dog collar
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that zaps them when they go past a certain area.
You don't need to put a line in the ground anymore.
You just allocate the plan based on GPS satellite images
and boom, you've got it. The dog gets to that area,
it's gonna get zapped. Same thing. Technology clearly works.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And you know what, going back to that money thing,
do the to close millions of dollars? I go back
to the we found six hundred million dollars to give
to the Cleveland Browns six million. I gotta imagine that
would cover most of the cost of this. I mean,
how much can it possibly cost to run this kind
of system.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well that that's the other thing that Cindy Abrams were
looking into. She when she introduced this bill the first time,
there was and that's the thing where she's looking to
see what happened. There is money for it. There is,
there is, and it's not you know the person that's like, oh,
like yeah, you know, some of the complaints have been
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how much more taxes? You know, how is this going
to raise taxes. How much would this I'm already paying
so much And it's like, no, you don't need to
pay any more taxes than you're already paying. We need
to reallocate these things towards programs that have transparency and
proven success and not just keep taking that money and
dumping them into organizations that are designed to manage poverty
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and crime. Therefore they don't actually fix them because their
jobs would go away.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh and that isn't that a problem here in the system.
There's so many non governmental organizations out there doing work
in the community, and they have their hand in the
taxpayer cookie jar. They do get paid, and they do
promise to do some good that's been defined which qualify
them to get some of the taxpayer dollars. But does
anyone follow up and really try, truly do an analysis
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to find out if the work that they claim they're
doing is actually.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's actually effective. And in Cincinnati the answer is no.
And in our own hometown, where we have that type
of system, that type of government funds being put into
these NGOs, to date, there is not They are not
showing true metrics of success, mostly because they haven't defined them. Yeah,
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you know, yes, very convenient to decide or see whether
something that they're putting money towards works or not. So
it does. I think with all of that it has
to come from a total reorganization, from reallocation of funds.
But we need the leadership to really be transparent with
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what our money is being spent on anyway, line by line,
where is it going, metrics of success, and then the
money just really needs to go to a program such
as a real time ankle monitoring notification working with local
law enforcement. Man, that's something that's that's effective.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And you can make a great argument for that, demonstrably
effective just on a theoretical level that we're talking here.
You ask the question, can this be accomplished? Do we
have the technology to do it? Of course we do.
Can we make this happen? Well, of course we can.
This is not sort of conceptually beyond the pale, some
sort of brand new thing that you're thinking up out
a whole clack. I mean, I'm sure there's real time
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monitoring somewhere out in the world, some other county or.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Community, probably other states within Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We could just follow their lead. The work's already done.
Don't reactly well, just do what they did more with
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A twenty nine if if you five KRCD talk station
by the time with Sarah Herringer Loost her husband Patrick
in a terribly violent stabbing attack in their over the
Rhine apartment. They are business owners in the community that
lived there for I guess you told me eight years,
Sarah hears, yeah, eight year and you moved out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Up yes, yeah, no longer there.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, you sucked it up as long as you could
and over the Rhine. Now you've heard. May I have
to have perwol in the wake of this ridiculous and
horrific violence that we witnessed a few weeks ago, and
with the beat down, I think everyone kind of generally
understands when you say what the beatdown was, which event
we're referring to. But the mayor and other council members
and the city manager, and I guess, to some extent,
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although not as much, Police Chief Thigi coming out saying,
oh no, Cincinnati's safe, don't believe your eyes. Don't believe
what you see on the video. Cincinnati's a safe place,
they claim the crime is down. Now, you lived in
over the Rhine, one of the hotspots. It's been repeatedly
identified for criminal activity regularly. I'm not just picking on
Over the Rhine, but you actually lived there. So living
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there for eight solid years, what was your experience? I mean,
and your husband was killed what June sixth?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Fourth?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
June fourth, So in the eight years preceding June fourth,
when you finally said you've had enough for obvious reasons,
what was it like day.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
To day there? We always played the gun or the game?
Is that gunshots or fireworks?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh? You know, I remember my days in Chicago. Yeah,
it's gonna play out in our alleyway.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, you're like, is that construction? Fireworks? Gunshot?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Cars don't backfire anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You can go ahead exactly. And uh yeah, I mean
that if you do look at the shot Spotter program,
that's like a year to date, there's like twenty two
thousand shots. Who So that's and and maybe I don't
want to be too misleading, I need to double check
that data that was that was thrown out. But the
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point being is my lived experience is shots fired on
a regular weekly occurrence in for for the past eight years.
The concern that uh before this was more so theft,
and then Patrick and I had talked And it's insane
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for me to be saying this now, but I really
believed that I was safe. Other than wrong place, wrong time,
The crime wasn't towards me. I, you know, catch a
stray bullet, which the bullets had to go somewhere. There
have been times where you know, they've been in the
roof of our house, they're on the roof of our building. There.
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There was a night where we were out and it
just felt there was a big event in Washington Park
and I was like, I don't feel good. Let's out here,
Let's just go home. It was nine pm. We got
home and we have bullets whizzing by our bedroom to
a point where my husband drops to the floor and
he's an army that he's been deployed. This wasn't and
I was like, oh, I guess we're getting to the
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floor now. A couple weeks before this had happened outside
on Walnut Street down in Otr across from the shell
forty to fifty shots fired. It wakes me up in
my bed and I'm like, okay, gunshots, Oh my god, unshots.
I'm laying as flat as I can in my bed
as far as all my like, is this going to
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come through the window? What's going to happen? Uh? So
that even then we were like, all right, the the
the bullets are going to go somewhere. Uh. That's that
is probably our greatest threat. So it's probably time to
move out of here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
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Speaker 2 (22:20):
And so no, I mean downtown is not safe. And
for the elected officials to continue saying that, to skew data,
to try to you know, present, to paint a story.
And I understand why they're doing it. I own a
business in OTR and I'm hesitant to say it, but
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we had to press charges on someone who uh attacked
a member just this week. And the parking lot oh no, yeah.
And these are things where it's you know, the media
is like do you want to report? And now you
know here I'm talking about it, but I'm like, no,
this is my business, this is my livelihood. I'm already suffering.
I've already lost us, my husband. The threat now on
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a safety level when it comes to financial means. So
I understand why they want to paint this picture Cincinnati,
the games, the events. That's why they have the elevated
police presence. Is they want to create a feeling of safety.
But what to get people to move in, yes, exactly,
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you know, and to even come down and spend their
their dollars. And we need that. But what the business
owners and residents of OTR are saying is, don't just
give us the appearance of safety. Make it safe all
the time, not just when Taylor Swift is in town.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Put an exclamation point underline and put it in bold.
Safe all the time, not just when Taylor Swift's in town. Well,
you knocked it out of the park with that one era. Amen,
let's pause with the early break, just a slightly early break.
It's coming up on eight thirty five. We'll bring her
back and talk some more about life and over the
Rhine and well, is it possible to turn it around?
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Also her perception of how police are being treated through
her observations and over the Rhine stick around, be.
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A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Hope you're
having a happy Friday. I'm thoroughly enjoying in spite of
the subject matter my conversation with Sarah Herringer with her
lost lost her husband Patrick and is stabbing at their
over the Rhine apartment after having moved down and over
the Rhine for eight years and establishing a business and
over the Rhine. But I guess becoming the word you
used off air Sarah desensitized because I told you, you know,
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it's it's just not me. It's all fortuitous. Yes, there's
gunfire going on all over the round, but it happens
all the time. And I know I'm not worried because
I'm not a target of it. I'm not involved in
criminal activity. I'm not in a gang, I'm not dealing drugs,
all those things that law enforcement over the years has
traditionally said. Listen, if you're going downtown, you will be
safe unless you're down there to deal drugs by drugs,
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are involved in criminal activity, that's going to get you shot. Right,
So that's kind of the attitude you had, I imagined. Yeah,
But you mentioned though, how often, how frequently is bullets
are whizzing by your window? And I wanted you to
put a little more meat on the flesh on the
bones of that statement because I asked you off Mike
about your husband, military trained veteran who literally jumped on
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the floor out of fear for his and your own
safety when bullets came whizzing by you actually you literally
heard them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yes, there was there was this. We were just getting
ready for bed that night where I was like, things
just feel a little uneasy, and we were home and
all of a sudden, I hear this whistling noise. It's like,
just like I can't even on.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Television, yes, Hollywood movie sound effect.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and I'm and just very odd and it felt close.
And my husband drops to the floor immediately as soon
as he hears it, and I was like, oh, I
guess that's you know. And I slowly, like an elevator,
moved down to the ground, not not having the speed
he has. And he's like, those are bullets that whizz
But then when you when a bullet whizzes by, that's
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what it sounds like. And he knew what it sounded
like because he's you know, he had been deployed, he
had served in two wars and had oddly enough survived
that right, only to be killed in his home because
of failure of city leadership, and he knew what that was,
he knew what it sounded like, and it was a
completely foreign sound to me. But that was what engaged
(27:38):
that initial just instinct that he had and that he dropped.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But in your your recounting over the eight years you
were there, the experience with hearing, whether it whizzing by
you that that close range or just hearing it in
the distance kind of was the norm.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, yeah, I mean there would be times two o'clock
in the morning, I'd wake up, go down, get a
cup of water, and would hear four or five gun
shots pop off, and you're like, uh, okay, and then
you just go back to bed. And talking to anyone
who lives in a neighborhood, who that's not the normal.
I mean, if they heard that one night or they
(28:17):
would have called all of the neighbors would have called
the police, they would have what's happened? Who would you know?
There would be probably an appropriate reaction to that instead
of like, yep, that's the sounds of the city, that's
the sounds of the neighborhood I live in, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And you know the weird thing about this, and I've
never really thought about it. Along these lines, you hear
about shot spotter technology, which you mentioned earlier. Why would
any municipality invest in shot spotter technology unless or if
they didn't have a problem with gun violence?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
If you have to measure you.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Think there's shots spot around Anderson. I'm gonna pick on
Anderson again. Do they have it out there? No? Do
they have a need for it out there? No?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So I don't think. Yeah, West, all of those all
of those areas. Yeah, I mean, you you put you
invest those things are not cheap. You invest in that
when you need to. You know, there's they should be
collecting data to see like are the policing that you
have in that area? Is that reducing? Right? That's a
good measurement. Is it actually reducing gunshots? We should probably
(29:23):
measure where are the gunshots? Because it's not like an
exact location, but we kind of you know, we know
that it's in this area.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It triangulates, yeah, if within a block.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Any right, right, you know, in order to help because
of we're all dissensitized, so we don't call the police
when we hear gunshots anymore, you know. Right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's it again, as any other neighborhood where this never happens.
Everyone would be calling the cops. You wouldn't need shots
botter technology because it's so unusual, it so often happens
in downtown. Yes, again based on your personal experience, A
you need it be No one's going to be calling
the cops because they hear all the time. See, you
get desensitized to it. And that's where I wanted to
(30:03):
pivot over. I mean because and I mentioned that story
again to you off air, when we lived in rather
what I will characterize as somewhat dicey problematic neighborhood outside
of Chicago. When we were up and we're actually in
the city of Chicago. My wife and I middle of
the night. I know what a shotgun sounds like because
I shoot him all the time, and I'm familiar with
guns generally speaking. But I heard distinctively, what was a
(30:24):
shotgun blast? My wife wakes up, Oh my god, what
was that? And I just calmly looked at our rollovers.
A shotgun blast, go back to sleep. It didn't strike
me as that unexpected because I knew about all the
gang activity that occurred in that area where we lived,
So I was like, Okay, what are we gonna get
worked up about what can I do about it? It's
a shotgun blast, one probably in the middle of night.
Probably guy probably ran away. I don't know. I'm not
(30:45):
gonna lift my finger about it, do you think? And
that sounds me like the attitude that you have. It's like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah. I used to call in the beginning, and then
I was like, I can't keep it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
This is a part time when seconds count. Yes, do
you think amid the refrains and cries from our city leaders,
if I can use the term leosly mayor I have
to have provall and others saying that violence is not
a problem, that crime is not a problem downtowns and
saying do you think they too suffer from this desensitization
that we're talking about here, that they're so used to
(31:16):
with themselves that they don't perceive regular gunfire going off
in any community as a problem.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I don't think they live downtown, No, there you go.
I think they live in neighborhoods where they would call
them if they heard gunshots.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I might recommend a property they can buy so they
can relocated.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, And that's the thing, like we could ask any
one of them, are you willing to live in OTR
given the circumstances right now, and relocate. I am willing
to bet the answers now probably, So if you're not
willing to live there, why would you not be willing
to live there. It's not because of noise, it's maybe
a particular type of noise, but it's because it's not safe.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Corey Bowman lives in the West End. They got a
lot of gunflap going over.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm sure he hears it all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, and he's committed to his community making it
a better place. Just to say that, Wow, you know
their options out there was Move forward to November one
more with Sarah Herringer. I really appreciate your time today
spending with my listeners and me and talking about this
very important is she's and I think opening people's eyes.
That's really what your life experience over the last eight
years can do for folks and bringing this there his
(32:23):
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which is all you're hoping to get out of this tragedy.
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Speaker 1 (33:41):
A fifty fifty five KRCD talk station, A bit of
an inside jock employees. Have I hurt me? You know, Sarah,
that's got through my stack, my listeners got I've mentioned
many times at the end of the fridays I had this,
it's more than a ream of paperworth of stories that
I haven't gotten to, most of which I've gotten through
a lot of them, you know, like stories in the
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news I was talking about this morning that he court
hearing yesterday. That's a piece of paper, A couple of
pieces of paper, anyway, stack them all up. Came to
the end of the week and I just was showing her,
you know, the output of my labor, and I said,
I bet I didn't get to even half of the
stories are in the stack. And she said, don't you
have an assistant, Joe, Do I have an assistant other
(34:23):
than the executive producer of the fifty five Caressey Morning
Show has his own responsibilities and obligations. No, I am
on my own stack. Sarah Herringer in studio, of course,
widow Patrick Herringer, who stabbed in their apartment talking about
I mean again, Patrick's Law, Patrick Herringer Act is going
(34:46):
to We are positive it's going to be passed, requiring
real time ankle monitoring, so you at least can believe
that the system is actually doing something good. So we
dressed that early in the program. Now, by way of
other changes, I'm sure you paid attention to what have
to have of all said by way of some reforms
that they've enacted in the wake of the beatdown. Sadly
(35:06):
not in the wake of your husband getting murdered. Add
that to the list of murders in the city of Cincinnati.
Obviously we have a serious gunplay problem, as you've demonstrated
through your comments and what you've experienced personally, what so
many other residents have experienced. Did anything he offered by
way of solutions, like, for example, the curfew give you
any sense of comfort, like, Okay, that actually might work. Okay.
(35:28):
I like the way what he is saying. It's not
going to solve all the problems, but it sounds like
a step in the right direction. Or do you, i mean,
find fault with his proposals or do you think he
was missing out on an opportunity in some way to
transform or change the nature of law enforcement. I think.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I mean, the thing that I'm looking at is what's
the expiration date on this, on all of the things
that he's putting in this We're not looking for temporary
band aids here. We need a long term solution and
also not so much reactionary things. Where is the proactive policing?
(36:05):
Why aren't they allowing police really to do their job,
pull people over, search cars, that's where you find stolen guns.
You know that. Why aren't we using the fugitive apprehension
to go out I've said it so many times to
get the fifty two violent offenders that are a wall
(36:26):
in Hamilton County. We have one hundred and fifty that
have already popped off their ankle monitors.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That we know.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And why aren't we going Why aren't we cleaning up
the streets?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, and recidive is a problem. And if you've identified
the criminal element, they're likely to break the law again,
and they do it over and over again. So it's
a very small slice of society that's sorting it for everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, which is why I think so many people, you know,
when they're looking at these policies, they can't imagine what
it's like to think like a criminal. They don't think
like one, and so they you know, these programs, even
they sound really nice and compassionate and rehabilitative, but that's
that's not really the case. We need we need police protection,
(37:10):
we need to be proactive, We need to prevent crimes,
not just be really great at responding to them. So
I think, you know, if I'm going to be critical
if some of the things that AFTAB is put into place,
it's it's what are we doing to prevent? What are
we doing to allow police to really police and do
their jobs? What is you know, what are these expiration dates?
(37:31):
And then even down to the curfew, it's like, listen,
the only kids breaking the curfew are the ones who
don't listen to the law to begin with. Yeah, and
they're really you know, you look it over. There's even
one they're like, we're going to enforce it, except if.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You're exercising your First.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Amendment right right and you' and I'm like, freedom of assembly,
the constitution, So somebody's going to make a constitutional law. Yeah,
And so the the whole thing is like why don't
you why don't you enforce laws? Why don't you actually
create things that you can legally enforce. And I don't
know if the curfew is one of them. And you
can't control how parents take care of their children, but
(38:09):
you can control how police, you know police.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
True, But let us not let this topic go before
we part company today, Sarah, without pointing out that one
of the most critical elements of the judicial system and
the criminal justice system is having judges who are willing
to issue higher bonds, take care concern themselves with the
societal concerns, which are you and me out here in
the world, and also to uphold that concept of criminal
(38:34):
justice punishment without punishment, it's not a deterrence.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's the hardest consequences, the hardest to fix.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Beyond fixing the problems that these young people, notably at home,
they have terrible home life. They're going to become juvenile
criminals and they're going to go on and become adult criminals.
It's demonstrably proven. You know, I talk to a sociologists,
so that seems to be the biggest problem out there,
is the poor home life. But you can solve the
judicial problem just bovoteing better judges who promised to be
(39:03):
tough on crime. Absolutely, Sarah Heringer, God bless you keep
being a voice of logic and reason. It's people like
you who are sadly in a position, but are in
a position to make changes happen. It looks like we're
going to have some good developments in Columbus this fall,
and I appreciate Cindy Abrams working with you. Want to
get the Patrick Herringer Act through, And I'll ask my
listeners to definitely get in touch with their representatives and
(39:26):
senators in Columbus and tell them what the hell, let's
get this past this time. Don't let it die in
the Senate. Sarah, You're always welcome here.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Thanks thanks for having me real pleasure to.
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everyone a happy Friday, and I hope you have some
great plans going on this week. A bit of a
sommer note. Bring Sarah Herringer, a bit Sarah Heringer back
into the studio. And I'm sure everybody in my listening
audience is familiar with the name. She is a widow
thanks to a guy named Mordecai Black who cut off
his ankle monitor. He was out on parole. He was
(00:32):
out wandering about for months, no indication that law enforcement
had any idea at all that he had cut off
his ankle monitor. And he broke into their home, Patrick
Herringer and Sarah Herringer's home and over the rhine where
they have had a business, and stabbed Patrick Herringer to
death right in front of his wife Sarah, and Patrick
died saving his wife's life. Sarah Herringer, the widow, is
(00:54):
in studio to talk about what she's trying to do,
and that's bring about some sanity here in the state
of Ohio. Like real time monitoring of ankle monitors. Sarah,
it's good to have you back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Thanks, it's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I wish you didn't have to be famous for the
reasons you are famous now, but I'm glad to see
that you're spreading the word and knowledge and information is
really powerful. I had a caller earlier in the program
who suggested, you know, oh, we have these ankle monitor
programs because it just all makes us feel like something's
being done. Well, he's got an ankle monitor, and naturally
(01:25):
the authorities are monitoring it, and he's defined. He's confined
to a certain place, like the confines of his home
and maybe the place where he works, that's all. And
if he goes out of those areas, some alarm are
going to go off somewhere. Law enforcement's going to be notified,
and they're going to go after him and try to
pick him up. That makes sense, and that's what we
are led to believe. This is how the system works,
is it not?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Absolutely? I mean, I am one of the people who
found out that ankle monitors do not monitor in real time,
and that currently when you disable one, it also doesn't
trigger any kind of alarm.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
That in and of itself is hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, as soon as I found out, I likened it
to Jurassic Park when the fences go off, and I
was like, okay, and the I mean, the thing is is,
obviously we do not know that. The people who put
ankle monitors on know that. And the unfortunate thing is
all of the criminals, the felons wearing the ankle monitors
(02:21):
are the ones who know that they don't work in
track in real time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So you anticipated my next question, is this word gotten
out already? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean everyone knows that. I mean, they all
know that. And it's another example of where optics over
true outcomes. It's like, what's the entire what's the purpose?
Why would you put an ankle monitor on to begin
with if it's that ineffective?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well exactly, And you know, I considering your case and
what we all now are aware of thanks to you
bringing this to everybody's attention, they're not monitoring them, and
the powers that be are aware that that's knowing not
going on. One of the defendants in that you'll I
beat down was in front of a judge yesterday and
told that she had to be where she had to
wear an ankle monitor. He lowered her bond from two
(03:06):
hundred thousand dollars down to twenty five thousand dollars to
ten percent twenty five hundred dollars bond, but she has
to wear an electronic monitoring device. And Fox nineteen reported
that the judge warned her attorney that if she tampered
with her ankle monitor in any way, she would provoke
her bond and she'd be locked up in jener until
the case went to trial. Well that's fine, that's all
well and good, but the judge also knows that tampering
(03:30):
with an ankle monitor or removing it is not going
to result in alarm going off.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Correct, So it's just a threat that they put out
there in order to do their due diligence. Hey, there
are consequences if you do that, but there has to
be the thing has to be effective in order for
it to work outside. I mean, at this point, we
already know that these are people who don't follow the
law and don't do what they're told.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes, yes, demonstrably. So this sad thing. And I've expressed
outright anger over finding this out again as a consequence
of your work since learned that. Back in twenty twenty two,
the Ohio House passed by a ninety two to one
vote a requirement that real time monitoring of ankle bracelets. Yes,
(04:18):
it was passed. No, I mean bipartisanship doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You have something that almost one hundredercent passed and it
went over to the Senate committee and it died there.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, yeah, we uh, Cindy Abrams, she's looking into that
because it's why did it die there, you know, and
asking the individuals that are named and listed, what was
the point of that? But it's it is it's enraging
to find out that there is an entire group of
lawmakers that have all decided. And this entire thing came
(04:51):
about because of the Reagan Tooks case, which I don't
know if you're familiar with, well you wrote about it, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Ryan's Goldsby wore z ankle monitor the night he kidnapped, raped,
and murdered Reagan Toaks. This isn't from Serrenga's online letters.
She wrote about this. He didn't need to cut it off.
He knew no one was watching in real time his
GPS trails showed every move, but that was only reviewed
after she was shot dead after being raped and kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Absolutely, they have it right there, it's right there. Yeah,
and her mother did so much work to get the
bill to or the act, you know, to that point
where it passes, the governor signs off on it, it
goes to the Senate committee and they just outright said no,
and then it doesn't go you know, to a larger
(05:38):
vote in order to be passed into law. And I
tell me why that would make sense on you know
what level? There's money available.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, there's money available, and there are literally lives at
stake here. I mean, you cited several different other illustrations
beyond your own personal experience and losing your husband because
of this, that it's happened before, and it may have
happened a whole bunch more than you even are aware of.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah. That that is one thing I've been looking into,
and it's actually it's it's very hard to find information
of how many people have had ankle monitors on and
committed crimes or they've popped them, you know, they've disabled
them or removed them in some way, and they've created
they've reoffended Uh, that's information that I haven't really been
(06:25):
able to get a hold of yet. I think that
would be really great job for the media and investigating
journalism to maybe to start building this case and showing
people right there as the information comes out. It's it's
all things that we don't know, but we absolutely should
so we can get behind something and make it make
(06:46):
a change.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well a change benefit's literally everyone, yes, anybody and lives.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, again, going back to your very profound point, it's
almost like stating the obvious, but it's worthy were repeating.
These people have already demonstrated they will not follow the law.
They have committed crimes which have brought them to prison
resulting in probation and ankle monitoring or placed on bond
for having committed a heinous crime. They have to be
held accountable. They've demonstrated that they don't care.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Right, Yes, I think another thing to look at too
is how many of them reoffend or continue to break parole.
When it comes to Mordecai Black, he'd spent nineteen of
his last twenty years incarcerated, and that was because every
time he was out he reoffended, oftentimes breaking the parole
that he was on. And that's also information that we
(07:36):
really should be taking into account, that judges should absolutely
be taking into account is how many times is this
person offended?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Without question? Yeah, and if they've demonstrated a willingness to
violate parole, then maybe you don't let them out right, Yes,
that's the justice system.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
If you can't play nice, Yeah, then you can all
go play with each other in a place called prison.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Phrasing. I do like that, Sarah, Thank you for that
little bit of levity, at least as I interpreted it. Yes,
all right, so we will go ahead and name names,
considering we have the list of senators on the Senate
Judiciary Committee who let this thing die. Chairman Nathan H. Manning,
Republican Republican, Michelle Reynolds, Vice Chair, Louis Blessing, Republican, Republican,
(08:26):
Al Katrona, Republican Teresa Gavroni, Democrats Paula Hicks Hudson, and
Democrat Ken Smith. So you had a bipartisan group of
folks who let this thing die. It's not going to
happen again.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, I cannot imagine it will. I'll be working with
Cindy Abrams and plan on addressing the Senate myself and
have them look me in the eye and tell me
that it is not worth passing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I love that. And what we were talking about is
the Patrick Herringer Act, which will require everyone to be
real time monitored, and that's going to be addressed, I
guess in the fall session, and we will definitely see
that it gets passed. I know my morning show listeners
will be more than happy to contact their elected officials
to make it happen and not let it die in
the Senate. Let me ask out loud. But as we'll
(09:10):
move into a break, perhaps this has something to do
with money. Do we have enough money to do this?
Do we know what it's going to cost to hire
people to follow it? I think it's a worthy expenditure,
considering all of our lives are at least theoretically at stake.
Here ask Sarah. It's a fifteen right now. If you
I have k see the talk station, we'll be right back.
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Eighteen fifty five kri ceed he talk station, try to
make it a happy Friday. Take Rick Green's message and
run with it. Rick Green from Spirit Works Ministries on
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and hopefully we can draw some inspiration for my guest
in studio, the return of Sarah Herringer lost her husband
in that terrible, terrible stabbing in their apartment over the Rhine.
(10:50):
I'm going back to the Patrick Herringer Act, which ken
we're going to get past this fall. It would require
real time monitoring, actually, someone literally paying attention to folks
out there on ankle monitors so they can't cut them off,
so they can't, you know, wander around for months before
committing their next crime. Is this is and again the
(11:12):
idea that this was passed overwhelmingly in the Ohio House
only to die in the Senate committee. Do you know
whether this was a money issue, Sarah, I means like, no,
we can't do that. That's going to cost us'll have
a taxpayer too much money.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I would assume it had to come down to a
dollar amount. Why else would it be rejected when when
it comes to right kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's why I'm angry about it, I can't. I mean,
I'm trying to be Switzerland neutrality here and trying to
figure out what would stop this from happening, and you know,
one might say, well, we really don't have the technology
to do this real time, and I would throw a
BS flag on that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You might do the technology exists, we do have it,
you know. And the other part of it too is
also the and part of the act is having the
the alerts go to the local police departments right and
have them notified. It's it's not even enough that it's like, well,
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when when this happens, when the acle monitor you know,
the notification, where does it go, who's monitoring it, what
happens to it, who's responding, And there just needs to
be a faster and more you know, urgency behind the
apprehension of someone who's done this.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, how about like an Amber alert? Yeah, I mean,
if a child goes missing, you get an Amber alert
almost immediately as soon as the authorities are made aware.
They've got a central system that sends out the messages, right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And about that, and they also they treat you know,
different felons differently. To my understanding, I've been speaking with
some of the local police officers here, and when it
comes to sex offenders, they get notified immediately for that, thankfully, thankfully, Yes,
And there can't just be you know, like this one's
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worse than all of the others, so you know there
should be it's in it. But it shows again that
there is already a system and technology in place for
a certain type of criminal, for a certain type of alert.
So why wouldn't we just put that across the board
with anyone wearing an ankle monitor and also notify the
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police for anyone who has gone a wall, and especially
violent criminals, not just ones who have created sex crimes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And to the extent they want to prioritize their efforts
in rounding that person off. Well, it's a low level offender.
The person got, you know, busted for third offense stealing
sodas or something for a convenience store, was serving minor
amount of time, or was out on probation with an
ankle monitor over a non violent offense. We're not going
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to prioritize our efforts to get that guy. But we
know he's out there because we got the alert, right,
it seems manageable. And then the child molester comes out,
All right, all man on deck, We're all gonna go
out and search for this pervert. Absolutely, that's the way
you manage that And the other thing is we have
geo fencing. I mean you can program your cell phone
and your your your dog ankle or your dog collar
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that zaps them when they go past a certain area.
You don't need to put a line in the ground anymore.
You just allocate the plan based on GPS satellite images
and boom, you've got it. The dog gets to that area,
it's gonna get zapped. Same thing. Technology clearly works.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And you know what, going back to that money thing,
do the to close millions of dollars? I go back
to the we found six hundred million dollars to give
to the Cleveland Browns six million. I gotta imagine that
would cover most of the cost of this. I mean,
how much can it possibly cost to run this kind
of system.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well that that's the other thing that Cindy Abrams were
looking into. She when she introduced this bill the first time,
there was and that's the thing where she's looking to
see what happened. There is money for it. There is,
there is, and it's not you know the person that's like, oh,
like yeah, you know, some of the complaints have been
(15:10):
how much more taxes? You know, how is this going
to raise taxes. How much would this I'm already paying
so much And it's like, no, you don't need to
pay any more taxes than you're already paying. We need
to reallocate these things towards programs that have transparency and
proven success and not just keep taking that money and
dumping them into organizations that are designed to manage poverty
(15:34):
and crime. Therefore they don't actually fix them because their
jobs would go away.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh and that isn't that a problem here in the system.
There's so many non governmental organizations out there doing work
in the community, and they have their hand in the
taxpayer cookie jar. They do get paid, and they do
promise to do some good that's been defined which qualify
them to get some of the taxpayer dollars. But does
anyone follow up and really try, truly do an analysis
(16:01):
to find out if the work that they claim they're
doing is actually.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's actually effective. And in Cincinnati the answer is no.
And in our own hometown, where we have that type
of system, that type of government funds being put into
these NGOs, to date, there is not They are not
showing true metrics of success, mostly because they haven't defined them. Yeah,
(16:24):
you know, yes, very convenient to decide or see whether
something that they're putting money towards works or not. So
it does. I think with all of that it has
to come from a total reorganization, from reallocation of funds.
But we need the leadership to really be transparent with
(16:45):
what our money is being spent on anyway, line by line,
where is it going, metrics of success, and then the
money just really needs to go to a program such
as a real time ankle monitoring notification working with local
law enforcement. Man, that's something that's that's effective.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And you can make a great argument for that, demonstrably
effective just on a theoretical level that we're talking here.
You ask the question, can this be accomplished? Do we
have the technology to do it? Of course we do.
Can we make this happen? Well, of course we can.
This is not sort of conceptually beyond the pale, some
sort of brand new thing that you're thinking up out
a whole clack. I mean, I'm sure there's real time
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monitoring somewhere out in the world, some other county or.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Community, probably other states within Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We could just follow their lead. The work's already done.
Don't reactly well, just do what they did more with
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A twenty nine if if you five KRCD talk station
by the time with Sarah Herringer Loost her husband Patrick
in a terribly violent stabbing attack in their over the
Rhine apartment. They are business owners in the community that
lived there for I guess you told me eight years,
Sarah hears, yeah, eight year and you moved out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Up yes, yeah, no longer there.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, you sucked it up as long as you could
and over the Rhine. Now you've heard. May I have
to have perwol in the wake of this ridiculous and
horrific violence that we witnessed a few weeks ago, and
with the beat down, I think everyone kind of generally
understands when you say what the beatdown was, which event
we're referring to. But the mayor and other council members
and the city manager, and I guess, to some extent,
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although not as much, Police Chief Thigi coming out saying,
oh no, Cincinnati's safe, don't believe your eyes. Don't believe
what you see on the video. Cincinnati's a safe place,
they claim the crime is down. Now, you lived in
over the Rhine, one of the hotspots. It's been repeatedly
identified for criminal activity regularly. I'm not just picking on
Over the Rhine, but you actually lived there. So living
(19:46):
there for eight solid years, what was your experience? I mean,
and your husband was killed what June sixth?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Fourth?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
June fourth, So in the eight years preceding June fourth,
when you finally said you've had enough for obvious reasons,
what was it like day.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
To day there? We always played the gun or the game?
Is that gunshots or fireworks?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh? You know, I remember my days in Chicago. Yeah,
it's gonna play out in our alleyway.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, you're like, is that construction? Fireworks? Gunshot?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Cars don't backfire anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You can go ahead exactly. And uh yeah, I mean
that if you do look at the shot Spotter program,
that's like a year to date, there's like twenty two
thousand shots. Who So that's and and maybe I don't
want to be too misleading, I need to double check
that data that was that was thrown out. But the
(20:40):
point being is my lived experience is shots fired on
a regular weekly occurrence in for for the past eight years.
The concern that uh before this was more so theft,
and then Patrick and I had talked And it's insane
(21:04):
for me to be saying this now, but I really
believed that I was safe. Other than wrong place, wrong time,
The crime wasn't towards me. I, you know, catch a
stray bullet, which the bullets had to go somewhere. There
have been times where you know, they've been in the
roof of our house, they're on the roof of our building. There.
(21:24):
There was a night where we were out and it
just felt there was a big event in Washington Park
and I was like, I don't feel good. Let's out here,
Let's just go home. It was nine pm. We got
home and we have bullets whizzing by our bedroom to
a point where my husband drops to the floor and
he's an army that he's been deployed. This wasn't and
I was like, oh, I guess we're getting to the
(21:45):
floor now. A couple weeks before this had happened outside
on Walnut Street down in Otr across from the shell
forty to fifty shots fired. It wakes me up in
my bed and I'm like, okay, gunshots, Oh my god, unshots.
I'm laying as flat as I can in my bed
as far as all my like, is this going to
(22:05):
come through the window? What's going to happen? Uh? So
that even then we were like, all right, the the
the bullets are going to go somewhere. Uh. That's that
is probably our greatest threat. So it's probably time to
move out of here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
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Speaker 2 (22:20):
And so no, I mean downtown is not safe. And
for the elected officials to continue saying that, to skew data,
to try to you know, present, to paint a story.
And I understand why they're doing it. I own a
business in OTR and I'm hesitant to say it, but
(22:41):
we had to press charges on someone who uh attacked
a member just this week. And the parking lot oh no, yeah.
And these are things where it's you know, the media
is like do you want to report? And now you
know here I'm talking about it, but I'm like, no,
this is my business, this is my livelihood. I'm already suffering.
I've already lost us, my husband. The threat now on
(23:04):
a safety level when it comes to financial means. So
I understand why they want to paint this picture Cincinnati,
the games, the events. That's why they have the elevated
police presence. Is they want to create a feeling of safety.
But what to get people to move in, yes, exactly,
(23:25):
you know, and to even come down and spend their
their dollars. And we need that. But what the business
owners and residents of OTR are saying is, don't just
give us the appearance of safety. Make it safe all
the time, not just when Taylor Swift is in town.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Put an exclamation point underline and put it in bold.
Safe all the time, not just when Taylor Swift's in town. Well,
you knocked it out of the park with that one era. Amen,
let's pause with the early break, just a slightly early break.
It's coming up on eight thirty five. We'll bring her
back and talk some more about life and over the
Rhine and well, is it possible to turn it around?
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her observations and over the Rhine stick around, be.
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Speaker 1 (25:21):
A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Hope you're
having a happy Friday. I'm thoroughly enjoying in spite of
the subject matter my conversation with Sarah Herringer with her
lost lost her husband Patrick and is stabbing at their
over the Rhine apartment after having moved down and over
the Rhine for eight years and establishing a business and
over the Rhine. But I guess becoming the word you
used off air Sarah desensitized because I told you, you know,
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it's it's just not me. It's all fortuitous. Yes, there's
gunfire going on all over the round, but it happens
all the time. And I know I'm not worried because
I'm not a target of it. I'm not involved in
criminal activity. I'm not in a gang, I'm not dealing drugs,
all those things that law enforcement over the years has
traditionally said. Listen, if you're going downtown, you will be
safe unless you're down there to deal drugs by drugs,
(26:06):
are involved in criminal activity, that's going to get you shot. Right,
So that's kind of the attitude you had, I imagined. Yeah,
But you mentioned though, how often, how frequently is bullets
are whizzing by your window? And I wanted you to
put a little more meat on the flesh on the
bones of that statement because I asked you off Mike
about your husband, military trained veteran who literally jumped on
(26:27):
the floor out of fear for his and your own
safety when bullets came whizzing by you actually you literally
heard them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yes, there was there was this. We were just getting
ready for bed that night where I was like, things
just feel a little uneasy, and we were home and
all of a sudden, I hear this whistling noise. It's like,
just like I can't even on.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Television, yes, Hollywood movie sound effect.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and I'm and just very odd and it felt close.
And my husband drops to the floor immediately as soon
as he hears it, and I was like, oh, I
guess that's you know. And I slowly, like an elevator,
moved down to the ground, not not having the speed
he has. And he's like, those are bullets that whizz
But then when you when a bullet whizzes by, that's
(27:16):
what it sounds like. And he knew what it sounded
like because he's you know, he had been deployed, he
had served in two wars and had oddly enough survived
that right, only to be killed in his home because
of failure of city leadership, and he knew what that was,
he knew what it sounded like, and it was a
completely foreign sound to me. But that was what engaged
(27:38):
that initial just instinct that he had and that he dropped.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But in your your recounting over the eight years you
were there, the experience with hearing, whether it whizzing by
you that that close range or just hearing it in
the distance kind of was the norm.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, yeah, I mean there would be times two o'clock
in the morning, I'd wake up, go down, get a
cup of water, and would hear four or five gun
shots pop off, and you're like, uh, okay, and then
you just go back to bed. And talking to anyone
who lives in a neighborhood, who that's not the normal.
I mean, if they heard that one night or they
(28:17):
would have called all of the neighbors would have called
the police, they would have what's happened? Who would you know?
There would be probably an appropriate reaction to that instead
of like, yep, that's the sounds of the city, that's
the sounds of the neighborhood I live in, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And you know the weird thing about this, and I've
never really thought about it. Along these lines, you hear
about shot spotter technology, which you mentioned earlier. Why would
any municipality invest in shot spotter technology unless or if
they didn't have a problem with gun violence?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
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Speaker 2 (28:52):
If you have to measure you.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Think there's shots spot around Anderson. I'm gonna pick on
Anderson again. Do they have it out there? No? Do
they have a need for it out there? No?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So I don't think. Yeah, West, all of those all
of those areas. Yeah, I mean, you you put you
invest those things are not cheap. You invest in that
when you need to. You know, there's they should be
collecting data to see like are the policing that you
have in that area? Is that reducing? Right? That's a
good measurement. Is it actually reducing gunshots? We should probably
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measure where are the gunshots? Because it's not like an
exact location, but we kind of you know, we know
that it's in this area.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It triangulates, yeah, if within a block.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Any right, right, you know, in order to help because
of we're all dissensitized, so we don't call the police
when we hear gunshots anymore, you know. Right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's it again, as any other neighborhood where this never happens.
Everyone would be calling the cops. You wouldn't need shots
botter technology because it's so unusual, it so often happens
in downtown. Yes, again based on your personal experience, A
you need it be No one's going to be calling
the cops because they hear all the time. See, you
get desensitized to it. And that's where I wanted to
(30:03):
pivot over. I mean because and I mentioned that story
again to you off air, when we lived in rather
what I will characterize as somewhat dicey problematic neighborhood outside
of Chicago. When we were up and we're actually in
the city of Chicago. My wife and I middle of
the night. I know what a shotgun sounds like because
I shoot him all the time, and I'm familiar with
guns generally speaking. But I heard distinctively, what was a
(30:24):
shotgun blast? My wife wakes up, Oh my god, what
was that? And I just calmly looked at our rollovers.
A shotgun blast, go back to sleep. It didn't strike
me as that unexpected because I knew about all the
gang activity that occurred in that area where we lived,
So I was like, Okay, what are we gonna get
worked up about what can I do about it? It's
a shotgun blast, one probably in the middle of night.
Probably guy probably ran away. I don't know. I'm not
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gonna lift my finger about it, do you think? And
that sounds me like the attitude that you have. It's like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah. I used to call in the beginning, and then
I was like, I can't keep it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
This is a part time when seconds count. Yes, do
you think amid the refrains and cries from our city leaders,
if I can use the term leosly mayor I have
to have provall and others saying that violence is not
a problem, that crime is not a problem downtowns and
saying do you think they too suffer from this desensitization
that we're talking about here, that they're so used to
(31:16):
with themselves that they don't perceive regular gunfire going off
in any community as a problem.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I don't think they live downtown, No, there you go.
I think they live in neighborhoods where they would call
them if they heard gunshots.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I might recommend a property they can buy so they
can relocated.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, And that's the thing, like we could ask any
one of them, are you willing to live in OTR
given the circumstances right now, and relocate. I am willing
to bet the answers now probably, So if you're not
willing to live there, why would you not be willing
to live there. It's not because of noise, it's maybe
a particular type of noise, but it's because it's not safe.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Corey Bowman lives in the West End. They got a
lot of gunflap going over.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm sure he hears it all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, and he's committed to his community making it
a better place. Just to say that, Wow, you know
their options out there was Move forward to November one
more with Sarah Herringer. I really appreciate your time today
spending with my listeners and me and talking about this
very important is she's and I think opening people's eyes.
That's really what your life experience over the last eight
years can do for folks and bringing this there his
(32:23):
attention so we can make a better place for everyone,
which is all you're hoping to get out of this tragedy.
Absolutely more with Sarah. It's eight forty five fifty five
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Speaker 1 (33:41):
A fifty fifty five KRCD talk station, A bit of
an inside jock employees. Have I hurt me? You know, Sarah,
that's got through my stack, my listeners got I've mentioned
many times at the end of the fridays I had this,
it's more than a ream of paperworth of stories that
I haven't gotten to, most of which I've gotten through
a lot of them, you know, like stories in the
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news I was talking about this morning that he court
hearing yesterday. That's a piece of paper, A couple of
pieces of paper, anyway, stack them all up. Came to
the end of the week and I just was showing her,
you know, the output of my labor, and I said,
I bet I didn't get to even half of the
stories are in the stack. And she said, don't you
have an assistant, Joe, Do I have an assistant other
(34:23):
than the executive producer of the fifty five Caressey Morning
Show has his own responsibilities and obligations. No, I am
on my own stack. Sarah Herringer in studio, of course,
widow Patrick Herringer, who stabbed in their apartment talking about
I mean again, Patrick's Law, Patrick Herringer Act is going
(34:46):
to We are positive it's going to be passed, requiring
real time ankle monitoring, so you at least can believe
that the system is actually doing something good. So we
dressed that early in the program. Now, by way of
other changes, I'm sure you paid attention to what have
to have of all said by way of some reforms
that they've enacted in the wake of the beatdown. Sadly
(35:06):
not in the wake of your husband getting murdered. Add
that to the list of murders in the city of Cincinnati.
Obviously we have a serious gunplay problem, as you've demonstrated
through your comments and what you've experienced personally, what so
many other residents have experienced. Did anything he offered by
way of solutions, like, for example, the curfew give you
any sense of comfort, like, Okay, that actually might work. Okay.
(35:28):
I like the way what he is saying. It's not
going to solve all the problems, but it sounds like
a step in the right direction. Or do you, i mean,
find fault with his proposals or do you think he
was missing out on an opportunity in some way to
transform or change the nature of law enforcement. I think.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I mean, the thing that I'm looking at is what's
the expiration date on this, on all of the things
that he's putting in this We're not looking for temporary
band aids here. We need a long term solution and
also not so much reactionary things. Where is the proactive policing?
(36:05):
Why aren't they allowing police really to do their job,
pull people over, search cars, that's where you find stolen guns.
You know that. Why aren't we using the fugitive apprehension
to go out I've said it so many times to
get the fifty two violent offenders that are a wall
(36:26):
in Hamilton County. We have one hundred and fifty that
have already popped off their ankle monitors.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That we know.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And why aren't we going Why aren't we cleaning up
the streets?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, and recidive is a problem. And if you've identified
the criminal element, they're likely to break the law again,
and they do it over and over again. So it's
a very small slice of society that's sorting it for everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, which is why I think so many people, you know,
when they're looking at these policies, they can't imagine what
it's like to think like a criminal. They don't think
like one, and so they you know, these programs, even
they sound really nice and compassionate and rehabilitative, but that's
that's not really the case. We need we need police protection,
(37:10):
we need to be proactive, We need to prevent crimes,
not just be really great at responding to them. So
I think, you know, if I'm going to be critical
if some of the things that AFTAB is put into place,
it's it's what are we doing to prevent? What are
we doing to allow police to really police and do
their jobs? What is you know, what are these expiration dates?
(37:31):
And then even down to the curfew, it's like, listen,
the only kids breaking the curfew are the ones who
don't listen to the law to begin with. Yeah, and
they're really you know, you look it over. There's even
one they're like, we're going to enforce it, except if.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You're exercising your First.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Amendment right right and you' and I'm like, freedom of assembly,
the constitution, So somebody's going to make a constitutional law. Yeah,
And so the the whole thing is like why don't
you why don't you enforce laws? Why don't you actually
create things that you can legally enforce. And I don't
know if the curfew is one of them. And you
can't control how parents take care of their children, but
(38:09):
you can control how police, you know police.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
True, But let us not let this topic go before
we part company today, Sarah, without pointing out that one
of the most critical elements of the judicial system and
the criminal justice system is having judges who are willing
to issue higher bonds, take care concern themselves with the
societal concerns, which are you and me out here in
the world, and also to uphold that concept of criminal
(38:34):
justice punishment without punishment, it's not a deterrence.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's the hardest consequences, the hardest to fix.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Beyond fixing the problems that these young people, notably at home,
they have terrible home life. They're going to become juvenile
criminals and they're going to go on and become adult criminals.
It's demonstrably proven. You know, I talk to a sociologists,
so that seems to be the biggest problem out there,
is the poor home life. But you can solve the
judicial problem just bovoteing better judges who promised to be
(39:03):
tough on crime. Absolutely, Sarah Heringer, God bless you keep
being a voice of logic and reason. It's people like
you who are sadly in a position, but are in
a position to make changes happen. It looks like we're
going to have some good developments in Columbus this fall,
and I appreciate Cindy Abrams working with you. Want to
get the Patrick Herringer Act through, And I'll ask my
listeners to definitely get in touch with their representatives and
(39:26):
senators in Columbus and tell them what the hell, let's
get this past this time. Don't let it die in
the Senate. Sarah, You're always welcome here.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Thanks thanks for having me real pleasure to.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Talk with you. Folks. Have you had a great day
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