Sarah Heringer in studio

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six to fifty five KRC de talk station. By the time,
I's wishing everyone a very happy Friday. They've got some
great plans over the weekend. I think I'm gonna try
to make it up to U see tomorrow for homecoming.
And I am so pleased on the heels of having
brad winstropin city to look up and see. Sarah Herringer
has returned to the fifty five KRC studio to talk
about the latest on what happened in the aftermath of

(00:20):
her husband being murdered in front of her in there
over the Rhine Home and Sarah, it's such a pleasure
to have you here. I know the circumstances are challenging
and difficult, but you've been out there, You've been outspoken
about this. Your reality and circumstances resulted in a grand awakening.
I think for most everybody, me particularly, I'll note, I

(00:41):
believe that an ankle monitor actually meant something. Mordisha Black,
the thirty eight year old man who was charged with
murdering your husband, was supposed to be on an ankle monitor.
It was cut off and had it been off since February,
and this incident happened in was June correct. Correct, So
here he is rouaman about and we're thinking, you know,
oh my god, I'm alarm had to go off. He
cut his ankle monitor off. Nope, Nope, nobody was alerted. Yeah,

(01:05):
so that I mean, if we got to find a
silver lining in an unbelievably horrifically dark cloud. The one
thing is that we now know that and that maybe
something's going to be done about it in the form
of this Patrick Herringer act that some some folks in
Columbus are now pushing. But before we get to that,

(01:26):
I just wanted to ask him, and I know my
listeners are concerned, how are you doing? How are you
holding up? How's life been since that? Are? You know?
Are things improving for you? Because the devastation. I don't
think I can comprehend it. I don't want to have to.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, I I'm the answer that I've and it's true,
but I've I've learned to give to people as I'm
building capacity. And one of the hardest things that I've
actually learned through all of this, outside of you know,
the negligence of the situation is that people are We're
all green, illiterate. We really don't know how to handle this.

(02:03):
Our society where people want to find they want to
see you progress and get better, and of course there's
concern of like how's your mental health? How are you
holding up? It comes from a place of sincere kindness
and wanting to make sure I'm okay. But it's something like,

(02:24):
this is not something you get over. No, it's not
something that also needs to be fixed. It's something that
just needs to be witnessed and held. And I'm actually
very grateful that you provide a space for me to
share part of my story and what's happening in order
as part of that process to be able to look

(02:44):
at something this devastating and not try to turn and
hide from it.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Amen. And you know, the only the parallel I'm going
to try to draw here, and I'm trying to be
sensitive to the reality of what you just pointed out.
I'm not living what you're living through, so how can
I know? But I'm a man who at least cares
enough to make to want to know that you're okay.
You know, it's anything I can do, you know. And
so people really delicately approach this subject, but not gonna

(03:08):
lose my train of thought. But it's like when you're
dealing with someone you know is struggling with depression and
one of your reactions is or one of maybe someone
who's not familiar with what it's like to have depression
is once you just snap out of it. Here, let's
walk through all the reasons life is great for you.
You've got this, you've got that, you've got a wonderful

(03:28):
wife or husband, you got your kid. How can you
be depressed? Well, that reflects and ignorance about depression grief comparable.
I mean, unless you've been there and done that. And
everybody's different, their life experiences are different up to that
moment when they lose someone, so they're working with a
different playing field than literally anybody else. But it's a

(03:49):
struggle for us out here who really care to approach
the subject just to let you know we really are concerned.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yes, and I do. I appreciate that. I think you know,
and I think that's the whole point of what anyone
can do is just say I can't fix this. I
know my words aren't going to be enough, but I'm
I'll be here with you. And presence is really all
that anyone can ever offer someone in something like this,
and so I do. I appreciate it so many people

(04:16):
reach out and offer that and if we're also going
to put a spin on it to what is positive,
I'm hoping that more people can really understand the process
of grief and exactly that not trying to find silver linings.
You don't need to fix it. You don't need to
be the person that comes in and makes it better.
You just need to walk with the person who you

(04:37):
know who's experiencing it.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, your presence alone may be.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Enough, exactly. That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I supposed to try to become a therapist, yes, yeah, yeah,
armchair therapy exactly. Yeah. I can certainly appreciate that. But
are you Are you working because you had the fitness
clinic and over the rye that you ran with your
light husband, and I know you had some success to that.
You were big pop. You were popular in the over

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the Right neighborhood in spite of the fact that people
thought it appropriate to break into the place and commit
property damage, which we can dive into maybe a little
bit later. But I just want to see if if
you're still engage in employment, if and if that's helpful
for you.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, so right now, I haven't. I mean, it's been
about it's just been four months, yea. And for me,
I've taken this step out of this the capitalism and
the rush of society and the time, and it probably
feels like so much longer for everyone else. And while
it does feel really long, I'm like it's been four months.

(05:38):
And so the coaches that are at Friendly Movement, they're phenomenal.
They've stepped up, they're running the place and they're continuing
to do exactly what it needs to be, which is
a community place where people can go and they can
have support. And everyone there lost Patrick to as well.

(05:59):
It's a it is a shared communal devastation. It's to
your point. Patrick was a pillar in the OTR community.
People knew him, they knew of him, and he did
He touched hundreds of people's lives and was their coach.
And so I have taken a step back in order
to build capacity so I can re enter and to

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do what I need to do to feel the grief
and not rush through it. But the gym is going strong.
It's a great place and the coaches are killing it there.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you know you're in the over the Rhine area.
Why not Finley Movement is the name of the place
in what street.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is It's on Finley Street.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh makes sense on Finley Street. So go ahead, you
do some more exercising workout. We could all use more
of that going to make you feel better? It does,
and you can support Sarah and we'll hopefully she'll be
able to get back to work after she builds sufficient
capacity to do that. Yeah, I like the way you
characterize that.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yes, it's building, and I do it's you know, when
you mentioned where people are at, I know one of
the very few reasons as to I mean or there
are there are probably a few, but one of them
is what is your level of resiliency before something like
this happens? And that is really what Patrick and I
use the tool of fitness for, was not just making

(07:19):
your body look good at not aesthetics, but for health
and long term resiliency for because life is hard and
if your workout is a little bit harder than the
things that you deal with on a day to day life,
then you're you're going to be well equipped to handle
that kind of pain. And so to me, that's really
what fitness has been, and it's it's helped build the

(07:43):
what I need in order to continue to move forward.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well that's great, Yeah, a little incentive for others to
might go down that path as well. I know I
am not one to speak to that because I am
a sloth. I am lazy, and I'll admit it, and
I hate myself for it.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Don't hate yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's Sarah Sarah Herringer. And can I observe before we
come to the break here, I had said it to
you off the air. If I'm sure my listeners have
seen your late husband. He looks like the epitome of
badassery when I see a photograph of him, like that
guy came to kick some serious But yes, but that
was the farthest thing from the truth, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah? He was very very kind. Most it surprised people
once they got to know him. They're like, wow, that's
really not what I expected. I kind of expected this meathead,
kind of mongo looking tattooed guy, and he was incredibly
intelligent and kind and a good listener and encouraged everyone.
And that was one of my favorite things. That that

(08:42):
being the shock of it all is they're like, oh wow, okay, yes,
there's really some depth here.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And your posts, your Facebook posts. You've been very open
and revealing, and the love that you had for your
late husband comes through just crystal clear, and not everybody
has a relationship like that, so I can certainly understand
how profound this is impacted your life. So more more
with Sarah Heringer, we're going to find about where the
Patrick Herringer Act is because maybe we can bring about

(09:07):
some reform and not let this man's life go to waste.
And she's going to see that through eight fifteen right now,
Stick around.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Folks, fifty five KRC.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Are you looking for serious investment in the booming cleaning
pack station? Coming on eight nineteen Brian Thomas with Sarah Heringer.
Of course she lost her husband, that tragic, awful should
never have happened, stabbing in over the rhine in their apartment,
and just it's just really heartbreaking. And I'm so pleased
that you're willing to talk about this because you have
the opportunity, and I know you've been out working the

(09:37):
phones and talking to people about getting some reform in
terms of what it means to have an ankle monitor
and what it might mean in terms of if someone
cuts her ankle monitor off. We can't let this kind
of thing happen again. We have I mean, we live
in a modern society where they can figure out where
we are. Any time you got a cell phone, boy,
they can try to right in on you. We can

(09:57):
find a Mexican drug cartel, so marine underwater two thousand
miles away. I think we can find a guy local
who's cut his ankle monitor off. But that wasn't happening.
Is again, the murder of your husband was out free
from February up until June. After cutting off his ankle monitor,
nothing apparently happened. Have you gotten any answers to why

(10:18):
that is? I mean, clearly there's a Patrick Carringder Act
being discussed now in Columbus and we'll get to the
details on that in a minute. But what have you
learned since then, Sarah?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
As far as ankle monitors go or what happened, well.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Either specifically with him or just the whole thing seems
to have been a broken concept from the get go,
and your husband is the tragic result of what can
happen when it isn't working.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I mean that. So from the state level, that
is who parole and when it comes to monitoring the
ankle monitors. That would be on the state level, not
the city level. So part of the Patrick Herringer Act
is getting all of those ages agencies, uh, local, state,

(11:03):
and even outside of Hamilton County like pretty much anyone
around when uh, someone goes a wall, cuts off an
ankle monitor, doesn't report in or.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Stray from their geo fencing. I mean, yes, listen, if
you have a dog, now you don't need to put
a wire in the yard anymore. You just programming program
and it creates and established as a geofence. These people
are limited where they can go. You have to stay
on your own residential property. Put a geofence along the
property line. Boom, problem solved. He goes out of the
property line. Sadly, it doesn't shock them. No. Can you
imagine if it gave them a taser if it.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Did, yes, yeah, and U. I mean the entire thing
shows that it favors criminals and not and not public safety.
And the it's the criminals and those Obviously we know
people in the Senate and law enforcement, they know that
ankle monitors don't report in real time. When he cut

(11:57):
off his ankle monitor, Uh, you know, I would have
thought alarms would have sounded all of that, that's not
how they were notified. He skipped a meeting with a
parole officer, and that's how they know that he then
went missing. And just recently in Hamilton County they passed
where they reduced the parole officers. They took them out

(12:19):
of the field. So there used to be twelve, they
cut it down to six. They took them out of
the field, and they put them in an office building
and are incentivizing now people on parole to have to
go and check in with their parole officer. They're giving
them like reds tickets and gift cards and all of that.

(12:42):
And I'm like, I don't get incentive. I I don't
get that to just behave. And so these are people
that need to prove that they can integrate into society.
And that's how it's like dangling a piece of candy
in order for them to show up at something that
they are legally already required to do.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Right That's where I was going to go, because a
penalty for violining the terms of your parole, which includes
showing up at your parole officer meeting, would be ready
to go back to jail.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Exactly to serve the rest of your.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Time or no, we got to give a candy bar exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And so that that happened, that slipped through that change
that not a lot of people are aware of. This
is this is something that has been an effect in
Franklin County, and the FOP up in Franklin County has
said that they haven't seen better. He talked with Ken

(13:37):
Kober and to basically because I was asking questions about this, like, well,
if this isn't Franklin County, they're touting that this is,
you know, a proven system. We're going to rank criminals
on a levels one through four. People with a level
one probably don't even have to check in at all.
Criminals are also part of ranking themselves, so as long

(13:59):
as they have an answer to the test, they know
how to get a lower classification. Yeah, this is wow,
this is where And then we've just now in Hamilton
County downtown they closed the field office and it's like
you already have you know we when we dug and
looked up up numbers, It's like you already have one
hundred and thirty a wall criminals, fifty two of them

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are violent, and you're reducing the man power to go
and find them. You're making it and then and you
also have these systems that initially they they sense changed
the policy the state did because when he went missing,
they put in a notification and they're saying, okay, even

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though that was procedure. One of the things with the
Patrick Herrenger Act is going to make it a law
instead of procedure that not only do they issue a warrant,
but they also have to reach out to local municipalities
and notify them immediately, which you would have thought. I
was like, what is the Fugitive Apprehension Unit doing?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Why do we have them if they're not going to
also back up and go and find these people?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
These they got Amber alerts right, Yea, they have fugitive
on the run large.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, these criminals are out endive shooter.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I mean, oh, we have a formerly active shooter who's
on parole and ankle monitor who's run amok and is
at large right now?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well and they violent, yes, and they do it with
sex criminals.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, you got a register where you live.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Exactly, and it's like a database. Yeah, let's put some
teeth into having far more accountability. These people are have
broken the law and have shown us multiple times that
they don't have an interest in following the rules of society,
and so there needs to be a little bit more
earning that trust and having transparency and accountability with that.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
It's process supposed to be what the criminal justice system
is for exactly, not a rewards program. More with Sarah Heringer,
it's a twenty five right now if the five krc
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Speaker 2 (15:58):
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
It's a twenty nine year fifty five KRSIT detalk station.
It's such a pleasure to be able to laugh a
little bit with Sarah Herringer in spite of the subject
matter that has brought her back into the fifty five
cars Morning show Citio, the murder of her husband in
their own apartment and over the rhine. My listeners all
are painfully aware about that. Of course, it's been a
subject of conversation here in the city of Cincinnati, given
the elections coming up, and up until a moment in
time ago, have to have Provoll was saying, don't believe

(16:23):
your eyes and your ears. We don't have a crime problem.
And Sarah's raising her hand going, oh, really, let me
tell you about my life up to the moment my
husband was murdered in my apartment. And over the Rhine,
you talked about that last time you were here, regular gunfire,
so much so that it became a norm in your life.
It was oh more gunfire. Okay, you know it's another
day in the over the Rhine, right, And so we

(16:46):
have big issues coming up to the election. I'm not
sure if people are paying attention. And I want to
be optimistic, but the more I hear about the way
things are, the more I think I shouldn't hold my
breath for that. But let's move back to Patrick Herringer Act,
which is going to hopefully resolve some of the massive
holes we found out exist in the ankle monitoring program,
one of which I just learned off the air. Now, listeners,

(17:09):
are you of the mind? And unless you know something
about the system more than I do, are you of
the mind that when someone cuts off their ankle or
otherwise leaves or geo fencing, that somewhere, some office or
some computer, an alarm goes off at the moment that happens.
Guess what, No, it doesn't, Sarah tell them how that works?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, there I mean, you had painted such a fun
picture where you imagine there are these people in this room, yeah,
looking at these screens waiting for something to just trigger it. Yes, exactly,
the ankle monitor went off, let's go get them, you know.
And there's not resources we just talked in the earlier segment.

(17:53):
They're actually removing resources away from the parole program and
changing the infrastructure of at But the ankle monitors are
not even a GPS. It's more of it. It's like
a pinging. It's like when you're doing cell phone location
versus in real time watching them walk down the street
on like Google Maps. So he the reason how they

(18:17):
were were notified was not when he the moment he
cut it off, but when he didn't show up to
a parole and that's when it will then. Okay, it's
basically this guy is he's not shown up, you can
ping it to look to see like in a vicinity,
in an area of where they are the parole officer.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's they go to the garbage can, as I joked
about it on Eighth Street.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay, you know, and if that happened with with in
this circumstance, I don't know the you know, the granular
details as far as that goes, but just how it
works overall, that's how ankle monitors work. They're not tracking
in real time. And you see that because we know
there are hundreds of people on parole that have cut

(19:02):
off their ankle monitors in the state of Ohio and
are a wall. We know about the ones in Hamilton County.
So but the other problem that we're also seeing and
have come up lately and even with the Reagan tokes
of why these needs to monitor in real time there
needs to be more teeth in this program is many

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criminals commit crimes with them.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
On Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So it's really you know, it isn't it's not a
security fence. It doesn't keep them within a zone. It's
not this massive alarm system. There's not a ton of
man power monitoring these people. And they are aware of that.
And so what's the problem is is the public isn't

(19:55):
educated on this in order to call up Cindie Abrams
or their states or you know, demand change, yes, action
and reformation within these programs because we are blind and
thinking that there's some teeth to this and that a
criminal with an ankle monitor is truly being watched when

(20:18):
they're really not well.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I mean an Apple air tag thing would do a
better job than an ankle monitor. It's real time monitoring,
and I know technology has existed for years that if
you have the appropriate tracking device, it will map out
where that person has been. You'll get this full day's
activity of where they went, did they leave their their
geofens location, So you could recreate potential parole violations by

(20:45):
looking back at the history of you know, the data
that's been tracked. I imagine that the current ankle monitors
don't do that either.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
No, and that's and if you're going to remove the
manpower understanding, like you're right, technology has advanced and so
you if you use the right technology, you probably could
lower the manpower as far as that goes. But you
can't do both. You can't have this archaic technology that's
not really serving the purpose that it's designed or was

(21:15):
the intent of what we set it out, and then
also remove people who can be the monitors in real
time and who were initially supposed to write the parole
officer was supposed to be out in the community. They're
supposed to know these people, they're supposed to watch them,
show up. They have these regular check ins. They're there
to make sure they're integrating into society. And now you've

(21:36):
also removed that as well. So it can't be both.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It cannot be both. Well, continue with Sarah Heringer kind
of have to come in the studio today talk about
these very important issues and probably going to issue a
call to action. I think I can do it right now.
You know the legislation is up there, Patrick Heringer act
and who would you, I mean, just your elected official,
your state representative, of your state senator, wherever neighborhood you
happen to be in, call them up, send them an email,

(21:59):
sent them a text, ye, tell them. Move forward. Let's
get this out of committee, Let's get it voted on,
let's get it in acted. We need some reform for
the safety and security of the residents of the state
of Ohio. Or with Sarah Heringer coming up next, don't go.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Away fifty five KRC.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
The talk station seven thirty nine. I think you I
have KERCD talk station right Thomas with Sarah Herringer in studio.
Widow of Patrick Herringer again murdered and over the rhine
in their home, and of course the Ancal monitor. We've
talked about that. There is legislation. It's up there in
Columbus and you can call your representatives and your senators
and ask them where it is the Patrick Herringer Act.

(22:36):
Will it come out of committee anytime soon? Will we
get some reform that seems to be overly needed? Guess what,
it's twenty twenty five. We've got new technology that's not
fifteen twenty years old, apparently, and it might work. So
inquiring minds want to know, Sarah. Apparently Christopher Smithman among
others listening right now, and it was the topic that
you and I were talking about when we got the
text message and the message from Strecker. Hey, what's the

(22:58):
story on the mayor? Has the mayor reached out to you?
And have you heard anything from any of the council members?
So let's answer their questions and mine what's going on
on that level.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sarah, Well, I was, I mean, you said it so well.
The silences is deafening. I and I before we went
on the segment, I was gonna say, yes, reach out,
but also reach out to AFTAB and ask what he's
done for safety reform. And he's got a lot of
influence standing behind him. If there's someone who should be
reaching out to state representatives and trying to get a

(23:30):
law passed on that level, you would think you would
be pretty helpful with that, you would, Yeah, and city,
No one on city Council has reached out. John Cranley
reached out when he found out he's not exactly and was,
you know, is there anything I can help you with?
Is there anyone who I can connect you with? And

(23:52):
that's someone who no longer holds political office, but has
influence and wants to help. And so when I met
with Aftab and he said I'll do whatever it takes
to help you pass any type of laws, It's like, well,
you know, we need to see action. And I think
that's something that this entire time I've been saying is

(24:13):
the people who are currently in office care far more
about optics than they do about action. And that's something
that voters need to be considering. Hopefully that gets people
out of their seats and gets them down into the
voting booths next month, because the current administration has done
nothing to try to make sure that they're safer than

(24:34):
they were in June.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, as I told you, and I can let my
listeners know the little story. I think it was talking
with Christopher Smithman, who's running for council. Of course he
goes door to door and how many times people residents
of the City of Cincinnati in the weeks leading up
to the election, which is the first week in November,
everybody that they don't even know there's an election coming up.
I mean with a straight face to say, oh, we

(24:57):
have an election coming up, Yeah, vote for the mayor
and nine city council members. That someone could live in
the City of Cincinnati and be so politically oblivious is
to not know that all important election is coming up
and something that they might be able to have an
impact on their own neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Absolutely, I mean local politics is really where you have
the most amount of control and where it affects you
the most, quite honestly. And you know, everyone they get
wrapped up if they do vote on the national level.
But right now, yeah, if you live in the city
and you want to see your neighborhoods get safer, who

(25:36):
you vote in in this next election is going to
make a difference as to whether we see that improver
or we see it to continue to rot and fall apart.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
What's your reaction. I mean, up until only recently, as
I said earlier, in a moment of time ago, Aftab
said there was no crime problem in the city Cincinnati.
And now he's pivoted over to saying public safety is
our number one or has always been our number one priority.
That's what he's saying now as we fast a close
pro the election. What's your reaction to that sort of

(26:06):
bipolar reality of what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, I mean, if people are paying attention, they see
the conflict, right they And initially they had released the
CPD had released saying hey, look, crime's down during winter,
and then in the very next press conference, the chief says,
we knew things were going to ramp up. So it's
what is it? Is crime down or did you know

(26:29):
it was going to ramp up? What is it We
don't have a crime problem or Aftab said safety is
our first, second, and third priority. So which one is it.
He's also now throwing out numbers. Data is confusing or
he doesn't want to deal with it. He's like, oh,
let's not look at the data. People don't feel safe
and their feelings aren't and it's like people, I'm it's

(26:51):
not down to whether I felt safe or not. We
were not safe. People in OTR are not safe. And
what has changed? And now you know they're either a
great distraction and probably doing the right thing too with
scrutinizing the chief. But you know, if you have to

(27:12):
look over the last the question that voters should be
asking themselves is are they safer in the city than
they were four years ago.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's a great way of putting it, you know. And Sarah,
I used to work in over the Rhine back in
the eighties, a place called Harry's Meats and Seafood. It's
not there anymore. It was across from the Central Stand
and I would walk back and forth to my car,
you know, white kid from del High In. This is
pre rehabilitation and pre gentrification of Over the Rhine. So

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it probably was at its lowest point in terms of
relative to where it is right now, before Washington Park
had been rehabilitated. I mean, so much has changed down there.
I never never even thought about crime going back and
forth to that business. And at one point I remember
Chris Geiger, who's the one of the owners. He gave
me several things, thousand dollars in cash, from the register,

(28:02):
put it in a paper bag and handed it to me.
I got my butcher's smock on, and he told me
to walk it up to the bank, which was like
five six blocks down up the hill, and you know, here,
go ahead. And I thought that was the first time
I ever felt like I maybe I was concerned, but
nothing ever happened. Yeah, I didn't feel. There weren't gunshots
going off, and there weren't people doing drugs on the corner.

(28:24):
And it was supposed to be a worse place then
than it is now. It's I don't know, it's just
always standing amazement on that. We're going to continue with
Sarah Heringer. We got one more here on a Friday
see deep talk station. It's eight forty nine here fifty
five KCV Talk station Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer, obviously
requeuing the fact that Sarah's and study because her husband

(28:46):
was murdered in their apartment and over the right and
you were north of Liberty right Filly Market area one
block north. Different circumstance south of Liberty than north of
Liberty is at your perception, because I keep hearing about
the primary crime problem is north of liberty and there
hasn't been as much quote unquote gentrification there. But by
that even if that is true, I know there is

(29:06):
this significant spillover effect. Clearly crime is all the way
down to the banks. So yes, given that crime is
such an important issue as we go into the election,
mary have to have Purvol's reaction to the offer of
assistance from governor to Wine, he did offer thirty days
a full month's worth, month after month of four free

(29:28):
additional Aiso State patrol resources. And since we're not enough,
we don't have enough contingent of police officers. We're down
one hundred, one hundred and fifty two hundred. It's like
a moving target. But given morale and the number of
officers that are not happy with their situation, we're losing
them every day. We can't fill the ranks and up
we can't get up to what is a normal contingent.
Christopher Smithman suggested, well, you know we should Pervoll took

(29:50):
two days and then he said, we'll take four days
worth of OSP on a monthly basis. Now, if you're
getting offered something for free and you are missing already
an objective accurate, say one hundred officers from your contingent.
You want to put more people on patrol because the
presence of police alone can reduce crime. It's like having

(30:10):
your late husband in the room. No one's gonna start
any crap with your husband in the room because look
at him, and this guy's gonna be able to handle himself. Come,
that's exactly the effect that they have. So wouldn't you
I would say, and Christoper would say, take enough resources
from the state to get us to a contingent where
we're that we're supposed to him and see if it
has an impact. Is it really the lack of officers and

(30:31):
the lack of officer presence. We can find that out
for free grabby officers.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So what I mean your respond your reaction to have
to Purwoll's take on all this since he's finally acknowledged
that crime is a problem.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, I actions are what speak right, and you want
to see ultimately, if something is working, a result is different.
Aptab hasn't admitted something is broken, so how why would
he go to means of fixing something if he thinks
everything is fine? And that's really that's the what you

(31:07):
have to look for. Is there an admittance of what
we're doing isn't enough. Something's broken, it needs fixing.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Maybe getting rid of the chief of police, right, that's see,
that's him trying to say, well, the thing that's broken
is police chief three soy Thigi, who two weeks ago
I was standing arm in arm with talking about what
a great job she's doing, only to find out that no,
we're going to do an investigation to find out, well
why chief police Chief Thedi's doing such a bad job.
This is all smoking mirror, Sarah, you know what.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Sent I regret. I was going to write on it
saying I guarantee you before the election he will get
rid of her. And I think it is it's I've
heard it's one or the other, right, like she's either
only a scapegoat or she's incompetent at her job. And
it's like, why can't it be both? Maybe that's why
they put her in yes's you know, and it's and

(31:59):
I want to offer respect to her as a human being.
I've been I've seen what people say about people online
and she is a human and we can still we
should be critical. She's been chief of police for three years. Again,
the question is has crime gotten better or worse. Let's
be objective here with that, she rightfully so should be

(32:21):
removed from position. And I don't think that's enough.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
But removed from the position. And here's where I think
all the errors are going to ultimately point hand selected
by Cheryl Long and have to have purvol over the
interests of the police officers. The police officers were asked,
they said, do not put police chief or put Fiji
in that job. No, no, we're putting her in.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
They wanted Lisa Davis, who's now the chief of police
for Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, they are her boss. They have the power over
hiring and firing.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Can I imagine during an interview, if you're talking about
appointing someone the police chief, you might want to ask
a few questions. Are you willing to follow this administration's directives?
We are your boss? And I'm sure she did. Yeah,
you know this woke police department, reimagining the police department,
you know, the whole defund the police concept with parvol embraced.
And so did some council members that she followed their directive,
did what they were told? Found out lo and behold,

(33:13):
more crime less cops, more crime. This is not the
path you go. See Portland, see San Francisco. Every other
city's tried this. And so she's being let go and
her position analyzed because she was doing exactly what the
administrator want hook in the mirror aftab.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yes, one hundred percent. And that's but I think that's
it's the story that he wants. Right. Oh, it's it's
not me. It's the police that can't handle it. And
that's why they put her in that position, and that's
why they're having her fall on the sword right now.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Elections have consequences, and I'd like to see the more
voter turn out in downtown Cincinnati, beyond the Sherry Poland's
predicting about twenty five percent board of election. Sherry Poland's
been She's done this dance for decades, so I would
consider her her projection to be an accurate one. Wouldn't
be nice if more people showed up.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
They need to they need to get out, they need
to vote, and you know, change up city council for sure.
There's some really good people in the running for that,
and they if they care about the trajectory and business owners.
I mean, downtown is full of local business owners. And

(34:21):
even for the safety and the profitability of their business.
This is something people really need to be considering. Otherwise
we might be seeing a Cincinnati that looks, you know,
twenty years ago, when it was a ghost town after
five o'clock, whenever one left the banks.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
It was. I remember when Nick Cliney was a reporter.
He would do editorials back in the eighties, and I
remember him making this profound statement, Cincinnati's dead. There is
no point in coming down here other than going to
the office. There's nothing to do here. And what a
world of change has happened in Cincinnati. The one problem crime.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Crime, And during COVID, the suburbs thrived. They had to build,
they had to, you know, And so it's not the
same ballgame anymore. If you want people coming downtown, they
have to feel as safe as they do out in
the suburbs.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
No one's there right now. Sarah Herringer, God bless you
for the time you spent my listeners of me today.
I'll pray for you and hope you continue building up
the strength and courage to move on and move forward.
We hope to see you back at the gym, and
I'll encourage my listeners get down over the.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
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